The real human race is black, 100% Homo Sapiens Sapiens no trace of impurity (Neanderthal). Other races are still evolving. Like in previous species, all other race will morph or Mary into blacks, other races are meant to disappear except blacks. Welcome to the black world.
@holycrap71t Retard world ? Shit for brain, let ask peoples to dance and all will spot the retard. This is science the neanderthal (whites 4%) have a backward gene from an inferior ape like human. Blacks don't. The other races must evolve to catch up with blacks. In the mean time blacks are going to evolve further, others will never catch up. Once a neanderthal always a neanderthal.
Lol imagine a shitty negro country like Liberia, South africa or Rwanda, and imagine the whole world full of negroes. It would be a catastrophe for the human race.
@killkill0 Have you been to South Africa ? CAPE TOWN IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CITY IN THE WORLD. FULL OF NEGROS. You must be living under a rock. A Catastrophe for you race. The shitty race. Did your peoples build Tokyo ? Beijing ? The best cities in the world today ? GO back to your caves neanderthals the world does not need you.
I have intellectual problems with AstrialCOWs' views. They are not consistent and seem to diverge from root science in a few throwaway comments... and this will sound arrogant.. but Im rarely wrong when it comes to life science logic, I know my subject
do you even know who invented the first universities ever in history and it was sacked 6 times. You ever hear about Ahmed Baba or know about Timbuktu
To be a anti-racist you need to deny the theory of evolution. If all races are equal on every level there is no evolution. So race deniers that believe in evolution are a epic fail! xD
@TheBuzzati Well I think you need to read a few books. Not just a book, but books. Now humanity has not evolved for more than 40.000 years if your stupid comment holds any ground. Some races have been separated for more than 45.000 years. I believe in evolution, there for I can not be a race denier.
I have problems with the woman who uses the phrase "ad hominem". She looks for data and tells us she cares for nothing else, but she forgets that Rushden uses data from IQ tests claimed pre war and during racist times. I think her a little bit of-the-wall and not so academically good Im afraid. Lower quality of thinking. Data is not everything, lucidity and clarity of thought is everything. RACE simply doesnt exist, she is trying to curve fit experiences RACE = phenotype, NOT GENOTYPE.=GAPS.
@Raybanmonster Dude, the names are under the pictures. The one who has a Chinese accent is the Asian one. I'm the chick on the right. What are you on about?
@Raybanmonster and Rushton ISNT OK on P sychometrics he is inherantly clownish with maytchs. I absolutely doubt the data collection, HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE HE KNOWS WHAT RACE IS WHEN WE DONT KNOW HOW TO DEFINE RACE? How the hell did he make any field test relevant without such a definition? AstrialCow.. I think you are AVERAGE academic. you study hard but your logic flow and perception is poor. Rushden thinks your pussey as Asian is wider to accommodate your "large head mass" HES A FOOL
@Raybanmonster Are you just making my comments section a personal soapbox? Who the fuck are you talking to? I don't recall anyone saying Rushton knows what race is. Gah. Stop leaving stupid comments directed at strawmen otherwise I'll be ridding this forum of you as well. Stupid comes from both sides.
@sofiarune No I am not making your comments section a personal soap box! and Im talking not to YOU sofiarune, Iam talking to "AstrialCOW" who although good, left me wanting in several areas by her cry for data "integrity" and yet her missing the point that RUSHDEN HAS NO GOD DAMNED qualified DATA!! Rushdens work is BASED ON WHAT? YES RACE and tell me where has he defined it in his work? His whole academic approach is laughable , we agree, yet here u r slamming me for what ?
Rushden is a racist. His protagonists like Gotfreddsson claims an degree cannot be passed without an IQ above 115, yet black African immigrants to the USA attain more degree passes than any other racial group at 19% according to US Census Bureau data. And Race IS NOT a scientific taxonomy, that is like grouping people together by nose shape or ear shape.. No links exist between genetic factor and phenotype.. I cant believe people still find Rushden relevant,& his data collect=OUTLANDISH
@Raybanmonster I'm not sure who you're trying to yell this to. Rushton is indeed racist. No, race is not a valid biological rank (taxonomy and rank aren't the same thing). As for arguing that there is no link between genetics and phenotype... that's special. What phenotype are we talking about? Skin colour definitely has genetic factors. No academics aside from those publishing in Intelligence care about Rushton.
Intentional or not, I don't think you're informed on this topic.
@Raybanmonster Ok, scientific expertise is not transferable. Biochemistry is definitely relevant but it isn't phylogenetics or systematics which is what this is ultimately about. I'm sorry I'm snapping. I have a wicked headache and am low on patience when it comes to people ranting without specifying what their problem is. You can't coherently bitch about race or phenotype without specifying what you're actually talking about. Sigh...
@sofiarune ahhhh, you have headache and youre defensive... POINT TAKEN.... I was surprised you lashed out at me when I loved what you were saying... Admittedly I didnt qualify well but hey...youtube n all...Sorry.. but I know what Im talking about, just like you and it would appear we are on the same side.
@Raybanmonster OHH my comment weas removed!! LMFAO.. why? because it went too deep into an academic subject? Let me tell you the truth. Philip Rushden NOT ME actually believes that the VAGINA of Asian WOMAN has a wider diameter than any woman on the planet to accommodate what he believes is a larger birth head size of Asian people. HIS BELIEFS NOT MINE. ACCEPT IT. That is his belief.. outrageous yes. I bet AtstrialCow wouldn't give so much credence to Rushdens data now.
Rushtun is financed by the Pioneer Fund 'a eugenics organization' they tend not to fund people who do not reach the forgone conclusion that is expected. Rushtun while claiming he is simply stating facts is clearly reveling in his pseudoscience. He would have you believe that there is a consensus among psychologists supporting his conclusions, however this is not the case.
@Pentazoid111 The part of the brain of London cabbies which was found to be different from most others is the parietal cortex. Similarly, it has been discovered that pianists have larger than average somatosensory cortices.
It is not true that black Americans come from very specific places. Blacks in the US or those who self identify as blacks are very diverse. I grew up identifying myself as black. My father was white and my mother black. I took a DNA test and discovered that I was Arab.
@Haseeb2 What does it mean to be Arab genetically? My point is that Race doesnt exist.. Its a social construct and has no scientific taxonomic subclass for us to understand, it exists in human Psychology only and what it means today is not what it used to mean 10, 30 50 or even 3000 years ago. Dont let silly people pigeon hole you into a category for subjugation. YOU are unique.. no human is like you and none will ever be. enjoy that truth, fuck the rest of it.
@Raybanmonster Last warning. Stop spouting off about shit you don't seem to understand or you're out of here. If you're going to attack the concept of race then you at least better fucking define it. This issue of taxonomy and systematics is squarly in my playing field. No, I don't agree with Rushton but people like you seem to say equally as outrageous things. No links between genes and phenotype? What fucking phenotype? If all you want to do is rant, go somewhere else.
@sofiarune And therein lies my answer you have unwittingly provided answer to. You cannot define race because race has no scientific basis beyond that expressed through human Psychology, & you of all people should know therefore that my assertion is correct.
So now I have qualified somewhat my prior statement, where is the outrage considering languishing on the issue also insults millions of people like myself who would define themselves black ?
@Raybanmonster No... seriously... if you want I can send you all the papers I have on haplogrouping and allele frequency difference based on specific loci in the genome. There are difference but I would argue that those difference are not relevant to the debate at hand. People such as yourself give Rushton the ammunition he needs. By outright denying difference in allelic distribution you hand him the high ground. All he has to do is point out that what you're saying is wrong.
@sofiarune I could also send you information regarding SNIPs that will tell you how related you are to a bean sprout, and the interpretation of such data doesnt herald an absolute in any individual case, it only highlights hereditary paths the the frequency thereof about populations and genetic factors yes? INDEED!. No I do not give Rushden the ammunition he needs Rather I poke holes in his work at a level that does not even require in depth understanding of hereditary genetics
@Raybanmonster "And therein lies my answer you have unwittingly provided answer to. You cannot define race because race has no scientific basis beyond that expressed through human Psychology"
Race is local maxima on a 3 dimensional graph plotted of the ratio between geographic distance and genetic distance.
@Raybanmonster Race can also be defined operationally however you want. Assuming geographically associated variation was continuous (it isn't), you could just draw arbitrary lines and say the people in area A are bigger than the people in area B, on average. Just like Saudi Arabia and Sweden are arbitrary designations, but the statement "there is more oil in Saudi than Sweden" is correct and informative.
In practice the lines are drawn at genetic discontinuities.
@Raybanmonster An empty response from an empty brain. I'll consider the point conceded.
Race is local maxima on a 3 dimensional graph plotted of the ratio between geographic distance and genetic distance, or an operationalization of continous variation.
@sofiarune No link between genes and Phenotype? yes I said that but please examine the CONTEXT it was said in,& do not isolate this statement is as If I am some uneducated quack who knows not his own subject matter. We are talking about IQ, a test result, and its manifestation via race yes? Well, in THAT CONTEXT, "No links exist between genetic factor and phenotype" and I absolutely stand by this statement in that context.. As such e.g. head size is NO indication of intelligence.
@Raybanmonster Actually, the context in which you brought this up was race. If we define race as identifiable subpopulation based on allelic distribution at various loci, you're wrong. I agree that head size is not an indication of intelligence. Some people with dwarfism have very small brains and heads but normal intelligence.
@sofiarune YES race was my context, my modus operandi online is an examination of these "racist protagonists" who use race to offend me.. it has become an intellectual to passionate to a now entertaining experience as the mask has slipped upon deeper investigation of these online clownish beliefs. Back to yr comment, BUT your attempt to define race as "identifiable subpopulation based on allelic distribution" still fails race relevancy test. I dont know wht you challenge me on this
Part of my previous message got cut off. I wanted to say that you can not talk about genes without talking about environment. The experiment I suggested will never be done because there are very serious racial and ethical questions involved.
Whenever I hear people say: "is it environmental or genetic?", I feel compelled to emphasize that you can not talk about The only way to make a truly unbiased study/experiment of the IQ and race question is to take a large number of fetuses from pregnant women of different races at different stages of development and swap them between each other. An offspring's environment starts in the womb, not outside of it.
Hello Sofiarune! Uh, I have somethings I would like to ask you in a private message, may I add you as a friend so I could ask you uninterruptedly? I'm not a troll or anything, I swear! lol
whenever I ask for possible solutions to this problem, hereditarians run away to the stormfront website. they don't really care about the human race. only the white one.
@sofiarune Do agree with lynns estimates of the IQ of all of AFRica being generally below an IQ of 70 or do you agree with Jelte Wicherts estimates that the IQ of Africa is actually around 80 rather than below 70?
@DollabiIIz2 Also that link you sent didn't work but I found my way over to it anyway. Let me know if this works:
nces.ed . gov/nationsreportcard/lttdata/
I love this thing. I'm a stats geek and giving me a way to look a data is always appreciated. I think I find some of your views distasteful BUT I will still thank you for pointing me to this. See? I can play nice as long as I'm not being assaulted with mind numbingly stupid sophistry. ;)
@DollabiIIz2 I personally stay away from wiki. All of the papers I've read outright state the gap exists. This doesn't seem to be a point of contention even from the more extreme academics. I'll totally go to that other link though. The IQ gap exists. What that means for other things... well... the data aren't in but I go into that in the video. So many questions. I really do think we need to investigate IQ as it relates to intelligence etc. Stupid character limit.
@sofiarune What do you think of Gardner theory of multiple intelligence? Do you think it has more validity than the IQ tests when measuring intelligence or do you think they are both equally valid? I think only IQ tests measure verbal and mathematics skills, I don't think IQ tests will predict how creative you are in various fields, nor how resourceful you will be in survivalist situations or how you will apply logic in various situations. IQ tests were largely cultural bias during WW1.
@DollabiIIz2 So far there haven't been any people from the other side making equally as stupid claims. When they do the block button will be at hand.
For example, if a "race denier" shows up and declares melanin to be socially produced (which to me is on par with arguing that height and the brain are valid comparisons as far as phenotypic plasticity and genetic influence is concerned) they will have failed the entrance exam. Strangely that never happens.
@DollabiIIz2 Oh oh! Another stupid argument that would be blockable if they refused to acknowledge the data would be to insist that there is no IQ disparity between different subpopulations in the US. That isn't a point of debate either.
Stupidity is not going to hijack this comment section. I don't care which side it's from. It just happens to be from one side more often than another. That isn't my fault.
@DollabiIIz2 Haha post the link here if you want to make my life easier if they ever show up haha. I don't think many extreme people on the other side come to my channel. It's mostly just extremes in the hereditarian camp that show up to whine.
@DollabiIIz2 Though one clarification I'll exchange intelligence for IQ because I am of the opinion that IQ is a facet of intelligence. But that's me. I think it's a pretty broad category.
@RugsAreThugs I actually haven't watched the video you linked me BUT I did some poking around in the literature today. I have about 7 papers on it (for now haha) but they're pretty technical so I'm going to have go over them a couple of times before I can give an informed answer.
@DanishGreatDane Yeah you definitely don't get to participate here considering you flew off the handle at me on one of Ruka's videos. That is unless you can admit that accusing me of calling for the extermination of racists is an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.
@DanishGreatDane Actually I find it incredibly interesting that I accumulated 23 dislikes in a very short time span and that in that same time span you started commenting here.
You wouldn't know anything about that would you? ;)
This is a good debate with lots of references. What do you think about the Minnesota transracial adoption study? Do you know of any other study similar to that?
@Maxdwolf Nope. This "discussion" included a bunch of straw men and uses standards only applied to human races. For example, only requiring specific genes be found in regards to racial differences in IQ or total brain volume, while being reasonable in recognizing that race differences in height are genetic. This is because the brain is a magic black box.
@fringeelements "only requiring specific genes be found in regards to racial differences in IQ or total brain volume" No, that is not what was said, try again.
@fringeelements You do know that brain size just isn't influenced by genetics and that their are specific structures of the brain that gives you certain cognitive abilities. There was a study on taxi-cab drives where scientists found that a certain region of the brain of taxi cab drivers strongly linked with spatial intelligence enlarged after years of driving as a taxi cab driver. Men generally have larger brains than women and yet the academic performance of women is better than that of men.
@sofiarune You did a good job. Also, don't you just love books where you think you have 30 pages to go and you find out that the next page is the beginning of the reference list :) .
Alright people. If you're going to pull a NephilimFree and trot out the same bullshit arguments that have been dealt with over and over again you will be blocked without warning. I am not dealing with this level of stupidity anymore. If you don't understand why we need genes to compare group differences in genes then don't bother commenting. If you thinking popular press books are on par with scientific literatuee don't comment. If you do you will find your commenting privileges revoked.
I think you haven't properly dealt with these arguments. The biggest one being why specific genes have to be found to infer intelligence differences. "Intelligence" is merely a physical property that comes from the right chemical reactions in response to certain sense stimuli. The nature of the reactions comes from the brain structure and sense information, all pre-determined. While unique in one sense, it's still ultimately just a complex machine.
@Hereditarian What's with you idiots and deleting your own comments? Also are you essentially claiming that popular press books directed at an informed audience are some how the same as peer-reviewed literature? Actually, you are done here. You don't understand anything yet you, like others, constantly attempt to talk about this topic as if you're informed.
I really am not going to waste my time with you people anymore.
@Hereditarian Ok one more stupid thing and you're getting blocked. The brain is a unique organ that is uniquely impacted by environment. If you attempt to conflate it with some bullshit like height one more time you're finished here.
"The brain is a unique organ that is uniquely impacted by environment."
Height is impacted by environment too. Virtually every organ is impacted by environment. I don't see your point. I guess you're going to block me on this account too since I ask you difficult questions.
@TehClockwork I will outright state otherwise. If you think that height is impacted by the environment in the same way the brain is you can fuck right off. Of course every trait is impacted by the environment. If there is no environment there is no trait but if you are stupid enough to consider the brain no more influenced by the environment than height you should just limit your conversations to equally as stupid people like fringe.
@sofiarune IQ like height is highly heritable and polygenic, they are very comparable. To say the brain is a "unique" organ is meaningless, because every other organ and phenotype is "unique" relative to each other.
@DKshad0w Yeah you have violated my channel rules and are now blocked. If you can't see why the environmental influence on the brain is not the same as the environmental influence on height then you have officially failed the entrance exam to participate here.
@sofiarune Nice straw-man, I never said or imply that the environmental influence on the brain and height are the same. The environment influence different phenotypes differently because they are different duh. IQ and height are comparable because they are BOTH highly HERITABLE and POLYGENIC, which are indications of a strong genetic factor.
The distinction you draw that the brain is "unique" is meaningless, because every phenotype can be said to be "unique". It's special pleading.
@DKshad0w1 Yeah making new accounts is not going to allow you to bypass the entrance exam. You failed. There is currently no scheduled re-examination.
Well, maybe you can tell us plebs how it's qualitatively different. Not in the sense that muscles and skin will respond differently to different environmental stimuli, but how the brain is not even in the same ball park as the rest of the body in terms of the effects of genetics and environment within a given environmental range.
I don't even know what you're trying to say. You've already said that "intelligence" is highly genetic.
@TehClockwork Oh man... you are a piece of work. She is not saying height isn't impacted by environment she is saying the brain, being more complex and not influenced the same way as height is unique. Then you have the gall to state that you know more about this topic. Based on what? You are one of those people that are too stupid to know you are stupid. It's not even worth trying to explain this too you because you clearly aren't understanding it and too conceited to listen.
@Hereditarian Why do you have such a hard time distinguishing between a scientific peer reviewed article and a popular science book. A popular science book citing popular science books is not the same as a peer-reviewed piece of scientific literature having at minumum 8 popular press citations.
This was really great, I appreciated the reasonable dialogue all around. As you know I have no love for the 'race realist' position, but at the same time I do often forget to mention I find those who believe that science should stay away from potentially uncomfortable questions equally offensive. However the flaw I see is not that Rushton et. al are asking these questions but that they (as you mentioned) are playing science without the rigor.
@LithodidMan A complement from you means a lot! The two papers from Nature I have cited are an interesting read. They're the ones dealing with whether or not scientists should investigate race and IQ.
You're right though, asking the question isn't what's offensive. Using data mining, pseudoscience and in some cases outright fraud to bolster a political position is what is outrageous. Some of these people have earned their office space in the janitor's closet all on their own.
oh dear, i will have to do alot reading now, you two are the first people i have ever seen making well educated and well expressed arguments for the existence of races, which i actually do not belief in.
@Aanthanur It's complicated. You can split groups of people up into subpopulation which is particularly useful when looking for transplant matches. The concept of race as Rushton puts forth is... not particularly helpful.
All your post amounts to is an argumentum ad verecundiam & ad hominem. I said people shouldn't trust what she says on this subject because what she said was easily proven as false, and I showed how it was false. Do you dispute that? If so, why?
You obviously haven't read Gebhard & Johnson (1979), because it isn't an article, it is a book. I said the table they used was in "Nobile", but the data-set was based on Gebhard & Johnson (1979) and was directly cited by Rushton as such. And the data is indeed from Gebhard & Johnson (1979) as I am looking at it right now.
Whether or not Rushton is a regular reader of Penthouse magazine is completely irrelevant. I don't care, and I don't see why anyone else should either.
@PseudoAdministrator When you left this comment I was talking to someone who actually owns the book and the told me the table Rushton used is NOT in it. Try again.
You or your friend are either very incompetent or very dishonest. Either way, nobody should trust anything you say. Image from "The Kinsey Data:
Marginal Tabulations of the 1938-1963 Interviews Conducted by the Institute for Sex Research" (1979) by Paul H. Gebhard, Alan B. Johnson & Alfred Charles Kinsey, page 118-119:
@PseudoAdministrator Alright you're done here. If all you can do is spam my comment section and then remove half of your comments I'm not dealing with you.
There are all sorts of reasons why Rushton is an utter fraud. He earned his office space in the broom closet fair and square. If you don't like that go cry to someone else.
@PseudoAdministrator "You or your friend are either very incompetent or very dishonest" I said the results as reported by Nobile (and repeated by Rushton) are not in the Gebhard & Johnson book, not that there are no penis size data in that work. Rushton is dishonest for reporting that the results are significant, they are not. Do you think that a 7.3 mm mean penis size difference is significant when comparing 3000 "whites" to 118 "blacks"? (cont'd)
@LithodidMan (cont'd) Rushton even admits that he accepts Nobile's significance claims because they are consistent with the claims made in A French Army Surgeon (aka anthroporn). Fuck what the real data says, let's use an analysis that agrees with an anonymous and unscientific source that validates our presuppositions.
@PseudoAdministrator "Whether or not Rushton is a regular reader of Penthouse magazine is completely irrelevant. I don't care, and I don't see why anyone else should either."
That was not the criticism and you know it. Strange mix of incompetent and dishonest there.
The Penthouse Forum criticism of Rushton's "Race differences in sexual behavior" article is completely dishonest. Anyone who has actually read that paper would know that Rushton's data on penis size was actually from a Kinsey Institute study, which they directly cite as "Gebhard & Johnson (1979)". The reason why "Nobile" was cited was because they utilized a table from the article which was discussing the same data set. Obviously Rushton liked their presentation of the Kinsey Institute data.
@PseudoAdministrator The table isn't in the original article from Gebhard and Johnson. Rushton saw a table in a pornographic magazine and thought it looked good so he used it. The end.
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The real human race is black, 100% Homo Sapiens Sapiens no trace of impurity (Neanderthal). Other races are still evolving. Like in previous species, all other race will morph or Mary into blacks, other races are meant to disappear except blacks. Welcome to the black world.
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@OneRaceOnleLove "The real human race is black" bullshit.
"Other races are still evolving" which you evidently dont do.
"other races are meant to disappear except blacks. Welcome to the black world." you mean a retarded world.
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@holycrap71t Retard world ? Shit for brain, let ask peoples to dance and all will spot the retard. This is science the neanderthal (whites 4%) have a backward gene from an inferior ape like human. Blacks don't. The other races must evolve to catch up with blacks. In the mean time blacks are going to evolve further, others will never catch up. Once a neanderthal always a neanderthal.
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Lol imagine a shitty negro country like Liberia, South africa or Rwanda, and imagine the whole world full of negroes. It would be a catastrophe for the human race.
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@killkill0 Have you been to South Africa ? CAPE TOWN IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CITY IN THE WORLD. FULL OF NEGROS. You must be living under a rock. A Catastrophe for you race. The shitty race. Did your peoples build Tokyo ? Beijing ? The best cities in the world today ? GO back to your caves neanderthals the world does not need you.
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I have intellectual problems with AstrialCOWs' views. They are not consistent and seem to diverge from root science in a few throwaway comments... and this will sound arrogant.. but Im rarely wrong when it comes to life science logic, I know my subject
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AFRICA BEFORE SLAVERY! DR.CLARKE PT. 1
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According to studies, white people are the weakest link...
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Brooklyn Reporting Lab Discusses School Engagement
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Fox News, are they Racists?
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oh I forgot the the constant racism to from hollywood is a reslut of low iq
(HOLLYWOOD RACISM) X men 1st Class.mpg
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Don Cheadle talks about racism in Hollywood
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Hollywood Shunned Red Tails because of Racism
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Muslim Arabs and Jews Ran the African Slave Trade.
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Systemic Hatred, The Bible's Ham and Noah
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willie lynch theories and theory like it = muslim slave trade + african colonialism + slavery + years poverty
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Muslim Arabs and Jews Ran the African Slave Trade.
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willie lynch theories and theory like it = muslim slave trade + african colonialism + slavery + years poverty
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blackdreamhunk2 3 weeks ago
To be a anti-racist you need to deny the theory of evolution. If all races are equal on every level there is no evolution. So race deniers that believe in evolution are a epic fail! xD
GeneralAquarius 3 weeks ago
Human beings did not evolve from a derivative racial genotype of human. Check your sources. Read a book.
TheBuzzati 2 weeks ago
@TheBuzzati Well I think you need to read a few books. Not just a book, but books. Now humanity has not evolved for more than 40.000 years if your stupid comment holds any ground. Some races have been separated for more than 45.000 years. I believe in evolution, there for I can not be a race denier.
GeneralAquarius 2 weeks ago
sofiarune I like you... get used to it :-)
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
I have problems with the woman who uses the phrase "ad hominem". She looks for data and tells us she cares for nothing else, but she forgets that Rushden uses data from IQ tests claimed pre war and during racist times. I think her a little bit of-the-wall and not so academically good Im afraid. Lower quality of thinking. Data is not everything, lucidity and clarity of thought is everything. RACE simply doesnt exist, she is trying to curve fit experiences RACE = phenotype, NOT GENOTYPE.=GAPS.
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
@Raybanmonster Dude, the names are under the pictures. The one who has a Chinese accent is the Asian one. I'm the chick on the right. What are you on about?
sofiarune 1 month ago
@Raybanmonster and Rushton ISNT OK on P sychometrics he is inherantly clownish with maytchs. I absolutely doubt the data collection, HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE HE KNOWS WHAT RACE IS WHEN WE DONT KNOW HOW TO DEFINE RACE? How the hell did he make any field test relevant without such a definition? AstrialCow.. I think you are AVERAGE academic. you study hard but your logic flow and perception is poor. Rushden thinks your pussey as Asian is wider to accommodate your "large head mass" HES A FOOL
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
@Raybanmonster Are you just making my comments section a personal soapbox? Who the fuck are you talking to? I don't recall anyone saying Rushton knows what race is. Gah. Stop leaving stupid comments directed at strawmen otherwise I'll be ridding this forum of you as well. Stupid comes from both sides.
sofiarune 1 month ago
@sofiarune No I am not making your comments section a personal soap box! and Im talking not to YOU sofiarune, Iam talking to "AstrialCOW" who although good, left me wanting in several areas by her cry for data "integrity" and yet her missing the point that RUSHDEN HAS NO GOD DAMNED qualified DATA!! Rushdens work is BASED ON WHAT? YES RACE and tell me where has he defined it in his work? His whole academic approach is laughable , we agree, yet here u r slamming me for what ?
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
@sofiarune hey here's your race denier idiot ranter LOL XD
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Rushden is a racist. His protagonists like Gotfreddsson claims an degree cannot be passed without an IQ above 115, yet black African immigrants to the USA attain more degree passes than any other racial group at 19% according to US Census Bureau data. And Race IS NOT a scientific taxonomy, that is like grouping people together by nose shape or ear shape.. No links exist between genetic factor and phenotype.. I cant believe people still find Rushden relevant,& his data collect=OUTLANDISH
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
@Raybanmonster I'm not sure who you're trying to yell this to. Rushton is indeed racist. No, race is not a valid biological rank (taxonomy and rank aren't the same thing). As for arguing that there is no link between genetics and phenotype... that's special. What phenotype are we talking about? Skin colour definitely has genetic factors. No academics aside from those publishing in Intelligence care about Rushton.
Intentional or not, I don't think you're informed on this topic.
sofiarune 1 month ago
@sofiarune I have a degree in Biochemistry.. I am more informed than you think. I am suprised you take exception. My insight is sound.
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
@Raybanmonster Ok, scientific expertise is not transferable. Biochemistry is definitely relevant but it isn't phylogenetics or systematics which is what this is ultimately about. I'm sorry I'm snapping. I have a wicked headache and am low on patience when it comes to people ranting without specifying what their problem is. You can't coherently bitch about race or phenotype without specifying what you're actually talking about. Sigh...
sofiarune 1 month ago
@sofiarune ahhhh, you have headache and youre defensive... POINT TAKEN.... I was surprised you lashed out at me when I loved what you were saying... Admittedly I didnt qualify well but hey...youtube n all...Sorry.. but I know what Im talking about, just like you and it would appear we are on the same side.
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
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@Raybanmonster OHH my comment weas removed!! LMFAO.. why? because it went too deep into an academic subject? Let me tell you the truth. Philip Rushden NOT ME actually believes that the VAGINA of Asian WOMAN has a wider diameter than any woman on the planet to accommodate what he believes is a larger birth head size of Asian people. HIS BELIEFS NOT MINE. ACCEPT IT. That is his belief.. outrageous yes. I bet AtstrialCow wouldn't give so much credence to Rushdens data now.
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Pentazoid111 1 month ago
Rushtun is financed by the Pioneer Fund 'a eugenics organization' they tend not to fund people who do not reach the forgone conclusion that is expected. Rushtun while claiming he is simply stating facts is clearly reveling in his pseudoscience. He would have you believe that there is a consensus among psychologists supporting his conclusions, however this is not the case.
Charley151 2 months ago
@Charley151 He's not just financed by the Pioneer Fund. He runs the damn thing. Rushton isn't to be trusted.
sofiarune 2 months ago
1:37 "race deniers"
*Yawns* Vulgarisms...
niriop 2 months ago
@niriop I wouldn't dismiss this conversation purely on the basis of labels used. There's some decent information to be had.
sofiarune 2 months ago
@sofiarune Meh
niriop 2 months ago
@Pentazoid111 Have you recently read some study which suggested that women gennerally perform better academically than men?
Haseeb2 3 months ago
@Pentazoid111 The part of the brain of London cabbies which was found to be different from most others is the parietal cortex. Similarly, it has been discovered that pianists have larger than average somatosensory cortices.
Haseeb2 3 months ago
It is not true that black Americans come from very specific places. Blacks in the US or those who self identify as blacks are very diverse. I grew up identifying myself as black. My father was white and my mother black. I took a DNA test and discovered that I was Arab.
Haseeb2 3 months ago
@Haseeb2 What does it mean to be Arab genetically? My point is that Race doesnt exist.. Its a social construct and has no scientific taxonomic subclass for us to understand, it exists in human Psychology only and what it means today is not what it used to mean 10, 30 50 or even 3000 years ago. Dont let silly people pigeon hole you into a category for subjugation. YOU are unique.. no human is like you and none will ever be. enjoy that truth, fuck the rest of it.
Raybanmonster 1 month ago 2
@Raybanmonster Last warning. Stop spouting off about shit you don't seem to understand or you're out of here. If you're going to attack the concept of race then you at least better fucking define it. This issue of taxonomy and systematics is squarly in my playing field. No, I don't agree with Rushton but people like you seem to say equally as outrageous things. No links between genes and phenotype? What fucking phenotype? If all you want to do is rant, go somewhere else.
sofiarune 1 month ago
@sofiarune And therein lies my answer you have unwittingly provided answer to. You cannot define race because race has no scientific basis beyond that expressed through human Psychology, & you of all people should know therefore that my assertion is correct.
So now I have qualified somewhat my prior statement, where is the outrage considering languishing on the issue also insults millions of people like myself who would define themselves black ?
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
@Raybanmonster No... seriously... if you want I can send you all the papers I have on haplogrouping and allele frequency difference based on specific loci in the genome. There are difference but I would argue that those difference are not relevant to the debate at hand. People such as yourself give Rushton the ammunition he needs. By outright denying difference in allelic distribution you hand him the high ground. All he has to do is point out that what you're saying is wrong.
sofiarune 1 month ago
@sofiarune I could also send you information regarding SNIPs that will tell you how related you are to a bean sprout, and the interpretation of such data doesnt herald an absolute in any individual case, it only highlights hereditary paths the the frequency thereof about populations and genetic factors yes? INDEED!. No I do not give Rushden the ammunition he needs Rather I poke holes in his work at a level that does not even require in depth understanding of hereditary genetics
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ApeInRaybans 2 weeks ago
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@Raybanmonster "And therein lies my answer you have unwittingly provided answer to. You cannot define race because race has no scientific basis beyond that expressed through human Psychology"
Race is local maxima on a 3 dimensional graph plotted of the ratio between geographic distance and genetic distance.
ApeInRaybans 2 weeks ago
@Raybanmonster Race can also be defined operationally however you want. Assuming geographically associated variation was continuous (it isn't), you could just draw arbitrary lines and say the people in area A are bigger than the people in area B, on average. Just like Saudi Arabia and Sweden are arbitrary designations, but the statement "there is more oil in Saudi than Sweden" is correct and informative.
In practice the lines are drawn at genetic discontinuities.
ApeInRaybans 2 weeks ago
@ApeInRaybans Hyperbole. You have said nothing of any academic value beyond the mildly Philosophical.
Raybanmonster 2 weeks ago
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@Raybanmonster An empty response from an empty brain. I'll consider the point conceded.
Race is local maxima on a 3 dimensional graph plotted of the ratio between geographic distance and genetic distance, or an operationalization of continous variation.
CHIMPINGinRAYBANS 2 weeks ago
@sofiarune No link between genes and Phenotype? yes I said that but please examine the CONTEXT it was said in,& do not isolate this statement is as If I am some uneducated quack who knows not his own subject matter. We are talking about IQ, a test result, and its manifestation via race yes? Well, in THAT CONTEXT, "No links exist between genetic factor and phenotype" and I absolutely stand by this statement in that context.. As such e.g. head size is NO indication of intelligence.
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
@Raybanmonster Actually, the context in which you brought this up was race. If we define race as identifiable subpopulation based on allelic distribution at various loci, you're wrong. I agree that head size is not an indication of intelligence. Some people with dwarfism have very small brains and heads but normal intelligence.
What else do you want?
sofiarune 1 month ago
@sofiarune YES race was my context, my modus operandi online is an examination of these "racist protagonists" who use race to offend me.. it has become an intellectual to passionate to a now entertaining experience as the mask has slipped upon deeper investigation of these online clownish beliefs. Back to yr comment, BUT your attempt to define race as "identifiable subpopulation based on allelic distribution" still fails race relevancy test. I dont know wht you challenge me on this
Raybanmonster 1 month ago
Part of my previous message got cut off. I wanted to say that you can not talk about genes without talking about environment. The experiment I suggested will never be done because there are very serious racial and ethical questions involved.
Haseeb2 3 months ago 2
Whenever I hear people say: "is it environmental or genetic?", I feel compelled to emphasize that you can not talk about The only way to make a truly unbiased study/experiment of the IQ and race question is to take a large number of fetuses from pregnant women of different races at different stages of development and swap them between each other. An offspring's environment starts in the womb, not outside of it.
Haseeb2 3 months ago
Hello Sofiarune! Uh, I have somethings I would like to ask you in a private message, may I add you as a friend so I could ask you uninterruptedly? I'm not a troll or anything, I swear! lol
zRibzyMitzy7 3 months ago
@zRibzyMitzy7 Sure
sofiarune 3 months ago
whenever I ask for possible solutions to this problem, hereditarians run away to the stormfront website. they don't really care about the human race. only the white one.
iobroful 3 months ago
@iobroful Yeah they tend to be pretty... special.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune Do agree with lynns estimates of the IQ of all of AFRica being generally below an IQ of 70 or do you agree with Jelte Wicherts estimates that the IQ of Africa is actually around 80 rather than below 70?
Pentazoid111 3 months ago
Yeah, I humor them because I also ask for proof of some things that are widely accepted.
DollabiIIz2 3 months ago
@DollabiIIz2 Also that link you sent didn't work but I found my way over to it anyway. Let me know if this works:
nces.ed . gov/nationsreportcard/lttdata/
I love this thing. I'm a stats geek and giving me a way to look a data is always appreciated. I think I find some of your views distasteful BUT I will still thank you for pointing me to this. See? I can play nice as long as I'm not being assaulted with mind numbingly stupid sophistry. ;)
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune Yeah you can make your own tables on that site and do all kinds of analysis on the data. I like it. :)
DollabiIIz2 3 months ago
I usually start with this wikipedia link because it's easier to understand but the same people who deny the gap also don't accept wikipedia.
en.wikipedia . org/wiki/Achievement_gap_in_the_United_States#Evidence_of_the_gap:_National_Assessment_of_Educational_Progress_.28United_States.29
DollabiIIz2 3 months ago
@DollabiIIz2 I personally stay away from wiki. All of the papers I've read outright state the gap exists. This doesn't seem to be a point of contention even from the more extreme academics. I'll totally go to that other link though. The IQ gap exists. What that means for other things... well... the data aren't in but I go into that in the video. So many questions. I really do think we need to investigate IQ as it relates to intelligence etc. Stupid character limit.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune i published the link to your video in my "Bulletin".
"Bulletin messages" can be seen from all of your "friends" and subs...
I also sent the link to your insane video to 40 people...
I don't approve Brown Nationalist apologetics :/
DanishGreatDane 3 months ago
@DanishGreatDane That's cool. I also don't approve of ignorant douchebags assigning me a position based on their distorted view of reality.
Remember when you accused me of calling for the mass extermination of all racists? You're too stupid to participate here.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune What do you think of Gardner theory of multiple intelligence? Do you think it has more validity than the IQ tests when measuring intelligence or do you think they are both equally valid? I think only IQ tests measure verbal and mathematics skills, I don't think IQ tests will predict how creative you are in various fields, nor how resourceful you will be in survivalist situations or how you will apply logic in various situations. IQ tests were largely cultural bias during WW1.
Pentazoid111 3 months ago
Only "hereditarians" are blocked?
DollabiIIz2 3 months ago
@DollabiIIz2 So far there haven't been any people from the other side making equally as stupid claims. When they do the block button will be at hand.
For example, if a "race denier" shows up and declares melanin to be socially produced (which to me is on par with arguing that height and the brain are valid comparisons as far as phenotypic plasticity and genetic influence is concerned) they will have failed the entrance exam. Strangely that never happens.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@DollabiIIz2 Oh oh! Another stupid argument that would be blockable if they refused to acknowledge the data would be to insist that there is no IQ disparity between different subpopulations in the US. That isn't a point of debate either.
Stupidity is not going to hijack this comment section. I don't care which side it's from. It just happens to be from one side more often than another. That isn't my fault.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune LOL You wouldn't believe the number of times I have had to post a link to the NAEP data because people deny the intelligence gap.
DollabiIIz2 3 months ago
@DollabiIIz2 Haha post the link here if you want to make my life easier if they ever show up haha. I don't think many extreme people on the other side come to my channel. It's mostly just extremes in the hereditarian camp that show up to whine.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune LOL OK
nces.ed . gov/nationsreportcard/naepdata/
Now they can't deny it.
DollabiIIz2 3 months ago
@DollabiIIz2 Though one clarification I'll exchange intelligence for IQ because I am of the opinion that IQ is a facet of intelligence. But that's me. I think it's a pretty broad category.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@RugsAreThugs I tried to copy and past that link but it won't take me to the video. What user posted the video, I'm curious about the contents.
CappitranoBellephant 3 months ago
@RugsAreThugs I actually haven't watched the video you linked me BUT I did some poking around in the literature today. I have about 7 papers on it (for now haha) but they're pretty technical so I'm going to have go over them a couple of times before I can give an informed answer.
Workin' on it though!
sofiarune 3 months ago
even BBC made documentary about the same issue "Pakistani breeding farms".
Because of Political Correctness, the victims and their parents are helpless...
The society will label them "RACISTS" for criticizing Cultural Tradition of Pakistani men - raping of "infidel" girls "coz the white bitch is eazy YO"
DanishGreatDane 3 months ago
@DanishGreatDane Yeah you definitely don't get to participate here considering you flew off the handle at me on one of Ruka's videos. That is unless you can admit that accusing me of calling for the extermination of racists is an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@DanishGreatDane Actually I find it incredibly interesting that I accumulated 23 dislikes in a very short time span and that in that same time span you started commenting here.
You wouldn't know anything about that would you? ;)
sofiarune 3 months ago
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Brown Nationalists in UK, kidnapping white pre-teen girls, locking them in basements and gang raping them until they get pregnant:
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DanishGreatDane 3 months ago
This is a good debate with lots of references. What do you think about the Minnesota transracial adoption study? Do you know of any other study similar to that?
DollabiIIz2 3 months ago
@HannibalBarca13 I wouldn't be worried about him replying to you. He failed my comment sections entrance exam. ;)
sofiarune 3 months ago
A calm, reasonable discussion on a controversial topic. Now you have me confused. I thought this was YouTube.
Maxdwolf 3 months ago
@Maxdwolf Nope. This "discussion" included a bunch of straw men and uses standards only applied to human races. For example, only requiring specific genes be found in regards to racial differences in IQ or total brain volume, while being reasonable in recognizing that race differences in height are genetic. This is because the brain is a magic black box.
It was calm though.
fringeelements 3 months ago
@fringeelements Go away. I think your book needs editing. Maybe you should concentrate on that.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@fringeelements "only requiring specific genes be found in regards to racial differences in IQ or total brain volume" No, that is not what was said, try again.
Maxdwolf 3 months ago
@fringeelements You do know that brain size just isn't influenced by genetics and that their are specific structures of the brain that gives you certain cognitive abilities. There was a study on taxi-cab drives where scientists found that a certain region of the brain of taxi cab drivers strongly linked with spatial intelligence enlarged after years of driving as a taxi cab driver. Men generally have larger brains than women and yet the academic performance of women is better than that of men.
Pentazoid111 3 months ago
Thanks for the paper!
dUCHE55DUDE 3 months ago
whoa. references, references and more references!
iobroful 3 months ago
@iobroful It's the one thing I'm really good at! :D
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune You did a good job. Also, don't you just love books where you think you have 30 pages to go and you find out that the next page is the beginning of the reference list :) .
iobroful 3 months ago
Alright people. If you're going to pull a NephilimFree and trot out the same bullshit arguments that have been dealt with over and over again you will be blocked without warning. I am not dealing with this level of stupidity anymore. If you don't understand why we need genes to compare group differences in genes then don't bother commenting. If you thinking popular press books are on par with scientific literatuee don't comment. If you do you will find your commenting privileges revoked.
sofiarune 3 months ago
I think you haven't properly dealt with these arguments. The biggest one being why specific genes have to be found to infer intelligence differences. "Intelligence" is merely a physical property that comes from the right chemical reactions in response to certain sense stimuli. The nature of the reactions comes from the brain structure and sense information, all pre-determined. While unique in one sense, it's still ultimately just a complex machine.
fringeelements 3 months ago
@fringeelements You may now join the other "hereditarians" on the "You failed the entrance exam of my comment section" list.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@fringeelements '"Intelligence" is merely a physical property that comes from the right chemical reactions in response to certain sense stimuli.'
Right, and a fission explosion is just banging two pieces of metal together.
theinnerbadger 3 months ago
@Hereditarian What's with you idiots and deleting your own comments? Also are you essentially claiming that popular press books directed at an informed audience are some how the same as peer-reviewed literature? Actually, you are done here. You don't understand anything yet you, like others, constantly attempt to talk about this topic as if you're informed.
I really am not going to waste my time with you people anymore.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@Hereditarian Ok one more stupid thing and you're getting blocked. The brain is a unique organ that is uniquely impacted by environment. If you attempt to conflate it with some bullshit like height one more time you're finished here.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune
@sofiarune
"The brain is a unique organ that is uniquely impacted by environment."
Height is impacted by environment too. Virtually every organ is impacted by environment. I don't see your point. I guess you're going to block me on this account too since I ask you difficult questions.
TehClockwork 3 months ago 2
@TehClockwork
Also, I know more about this topic that you. Don't ever pretend otherwise.
TehClockwork 3 months ago
@TehClockwork I will outright state otherwise. If you think that height is impacted by the environment in the same way the brain is you can fuck right off. Of course every trait is impacted by the environment. If there is no environment there is no trait but if you are stupid enough to consider the brain no more influenced by the environment than height you should just limit your conversations to equally as stupid people like fringe.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune IQ like height is highly heritable and polygenic, they are very comparable. To say the brain is a "unique" organ is meaningless, because every other organ and phenotype is "unique" relative to each other.
DKshad0w 3 months ago
@DKshad0w Yeah you have violated my channel rules and are now blocked. If you can't see why the environmental influence on the brain is not the same as the environmental influence on height then you have officially failed the entrance exam to participate here.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune Nice straw-man, I never said or imply that the environmental influence on the brain and height are the same. The environment influence different phenotypes differently because they are different duh. IQ and height are comparable because they are BOTH highly HERITABLE and POLYGENIC, which are indications of a strong genetic factor.
The distinction you draw that the brain is "unique" is meaningless, because every phenotype can be said to be "unique". It's special pleading.
DKshad0w1 3 months ago 2
@DKshad0w1 Yeah making new accounts is not going to allow you to bypass the entrance exam. You failed. There is currently no scheduled re-examination.
Ciao!
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune Are you going to have another blogtv session in the future? Last night's blogtv was hysterical
Pentazoid111 3 months ago
@Pentazoid111 I'm sure I will at some point. :D
sofiarune 3 months ago
Well, maybe you can tell us plebs how it's qualitatively different. Not in the sense that muscles and skin will respond differently to different environmental stimuli, but how the brain is not even in the same ball park as the rest of the body in terms of the effects of genetics and environment within a given environmental range.
I don't even know what you're trying to say. You've already said that "intelligence" is highly genetic.
fringeelements 3 months ago
@TehClockwork Oh man... you are a piece of work. She is not saying height isn't impacted by environment she is saying the brain, being more complex and not influenced the same way as height is unique. Then you have the gall to state that you know more about this topic. Based on what? You are one of those people that are too stupid to know you are stupid. It's not even worth trying to explain this too you because you clearly aren't understanding it and too conceited to listen.
CappitranoBellephant 3 months ago
@TehClockwork You know more about this topic "that" yourself? Impressive.
Maxdwolf 3 months ago
@Hereditarian Why do you have such a hard time distinguishing between a scientific peer reviewed article and a popular science book. A popular science book citing popular science books is not the same as a peer-reviewed piece of scientific literature having at minumum 8 popular press citations.
You guys suck at this.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@Hereditarian I don't know how you think it's possible to study genetic group differences without genes. You people really are something else.
sofiarune 3 months ago
This was really great, I appreciated the reasonable dialogue all around. As you know I have no love for the 'race realist' position, but at the same time I do often forget to mention I find those who believe that science should stay away from potentially uncomfortable questions equally offensive. However the flaw I see is not that Rushton et. al are asking these questions but that they (as you mentioned) are playing science without the rigor.
LithodidMan 3 months ago
@LithodidMan A complement from you means a lot! The two papers from Nature I have cited are an interesting read. They're the ones dealing with whether or not scientists should investigate race and IQ.
You're right though, asking the question isn't what's offensive. Using data mining, pseudoscience and in some cases outright fraud to bolster a political position is what is outrageous. Some of these people have earned their office space in the janitor's closet all on their own.
sofiarune 3 months ago
oh dear, i will have to do alot reading now, you two are the first people i have ever seen making well educated and well expressed arguments for the existence of races, which i actually do not belief in.
Aanthanur 3 months ago
@Aanthanur It's complicated. You can split groups of people up into subpopulation which is particularly useful when looking for transplant matches. The concept of race as Rushton puts forth is... not particularly helpful.
sofiarune 3 months ago
I'm white and I'm as dumb as a rock.
Uh.
What was it I wanted to say?
MomoTheBellyDancer 3 months ago
@MomoTheBellyDancer
You were going to say that America is a SUPERIOR nation, under God, destined to rule the world because of its inherent exceptionalism.
EikC 3 months ago
You have a lot of patience. PseudoAd really doesn't get it.
I thought you both were "fair and balanced" in this video dialogue. I really enjoyed it :)
tattooskin72 3 months ago
@tattooskin72 Thanks! I thought it was about time a chat like this happened. :)
sofiarune 3 months ago
that was really good. i wish i was smart.
govcolin 3 months ago
@govcolin I wouldn't confuse specific knowledge and use of jargon with being smart. We're just lucky to have a formal educational on this topic. :)
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune SEE, right there...i have no idea what that means.
govcolin 3 months ago
@govcolin Haha s'all good.
sofiarune 3 months ago
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@Eopyk
@Eopyk
All your post amounts to is an argumentum ad verecundiam & ad hominem. I said people shouldn't trust what she says on this subject because what she said was easily proven as false, and I showed how it was false. Do you dispute that? If so, why?
PseudoAdministrator 3 months ago
Is that a large diesel engine humming in the background?
Hydralisk731 3 months ago
@Hydralisk731 I have no idea. AstriaICOW recorded me through her speakers. I tried to clean up the audio as best I could. =/
sofiarune 3 months ago
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@sofiarune
You obviously haven't read Gebhard & Johnson (1979), because it isn't an article, it is a book. I said the table they used was in "Nobile", but the data-set was based on Gebhard & Johnson (1979) and was directly cited by Rushton as such. And the data is indeed from Gebhard & Johnson (1979) as I am looking at it right now.
Whether or not Rushton is a regular reader of Penthouse magazine is completely irrelevant. I don't care, and I don't see why anyone else should either.
PseudoAdministrator 3 months ago
@PseudoAdministrator When you left this comment I was talking to someone who actually owns the book and the told me the table Rushton used is NOT in it. Try again.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@sofiarune
You or your friend are either very incompetent or very dishonest. Either way, nobody should trust anything you say. Image from "The Kinsey Data:
Marginal Tabulations of the 1938-1963 Interviews Conducted by the Institute for Sex Research" (1979) by Paul H. Gebhard, Alan B. Johnson & Alfred Charles Kinsey, page 118-119:
imgur[dot]com/AiT0H
PseudoAdministrator 3 months ago
@PseudoAdministrator Alright you're done here. If all you can do is spam my comment section and then remove half of your comments I'm not dealing with you.
There are all sorts of reasons why Rushton is an utter fraud. He earned his office space in the broom closet fair and square. If you don't like that go cry to someone else.
sofiarune 3 months ago
@PseudoAdministrator "You or your friend are either very incompetent or very dishonest" I said the results as reported by Nobile (and repeated by Rushton) are not in the Gebhard & Johnson book, not that there are no penis size data in that work. Rushton is dishonest for reporting that the results are significant, they are not. Do you think that a 7.3 mm mean penis size difference is significant when comparing 3000 "whites" to 118 "blacks"? (cont'd)
LithodidMan 3 months ago
@LithodidMan (cont'd) Rushton even admits that he accepts Nobile's significance claims because they are consistent with the claims made in A French Army Surgeon (aka anthroporn). Fuck what the real data says, let's use an analysis that agrees with an anonymous and unscientific source that validates our presuppositions.
LithodidMan 3 months ago
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@PseudoAdministrator "Whether or not Rushton is a regular reader of Penthouse magazine is completely irrelevant. I don't care, and I don't see why anyone else should either."
That was not the criticism and you know it. Strange mix of incompetent and dishonest there.
Maxdwolf 3 months ago
The Penthouse Forum criticism of Rushton's "Race differences in sexual behavior" article is completely dishonest. Anyone who has actually read that paper would know that Rushton's data on penis size was actually from a Kinsey Institute study, which they directly cite as "Gebhard & Johnson (1979)". The reason why "Nobile" was cited was because they utilized a table from the article which was discussing the same data set. Obviously Rushton liked their presentation of the Kinsey Institute data.
PseudoAdministrator 3 months ago
@PseudoAdministrator The table isn't in the original article from Gebhard and Johnson. Rushton saw a table in a pornographic magazine and thought it looked good so he used it. The end.
Yet apparently I'm the dishonest one. Good work.
sofiarune 3 months ago