Wysburg 2007

[elchapetas]

hey! thats the trebuchet from age of empires 2

[Diggnuts]

@elchapetas Perhaps that trebuchet is modelled from the same type as this one. But this model and the physics that drive it are build by me. I'd surely remember if I sold it to a game studio, which I didn't.

This model was build in Cinema 4d back in the summer of 2006.

[elchapetas]

@Diggnuts nah the trebuchet im mentioning is a 2D render, although it bases its model on the same geometrical pattern

[Diggnuts]

@elchapetas Both use the layout of the type of trebuchet at Château des Baux. You can find detailed drawing of that type on wikipedia, it is a very recognizable object. It looks like the dimensions on the game version are a bit off, but that doesn't matter all that much. The game version also seems to lack a sled and rope which is more of a problem.

The reason why I chose a French treb for a German historical event is because we have no way of knowing what the original looked like.

[ydobon95]

is this from a film?

[Diggnuts]

@ydobon95 Actually, this is the film !. It is a reconstruction of events that concern the Wysburg, At that spot archaeological work has been done since the mid 1980's. This was a project of mine to capture some of the happenings and findings.

The movie runs in the museum in Weisbach where the context makes a lot more sense !.

[Orcusaves]

The castle calls "Burg Weißensee" or "RUNNEBURG" an its near Weißensee, not Weisbach.

Greetings from Thüringen.

[Diggnuts]

@Orcusaves No, the burg in the film is called Wysburg or Hohewaldsburg. It is located near Weisbach and Neuenbeuthen. The Runneburg is a completely other castle. I actually have been there a couple of times but seeing as I have also been to the Wysburg at least 10 times I can assure you that these are two entirely different locations.

Perhaps you found the wrong Weisbach, there are several. The Wysburg has a site in German you can look up. Google it.

[ydobon95]

@Diggnuts is this from a film?

[legolord901]

cool but the last shot was a bit ti much

[Diggnuts]

All shots illustrate a part of the sequence of the siege. Where the first 2 shots only weaken the structure and do minor damage, the last shot is the final breech that sealed their fate.

( And I needed to bridge that time due to the music ! )

[IvoryPhil]

I found it on Google Earth...

[mofogachoga]

little dramatic, but cool

[R0flix]

nice animation

[knaggelpuff]

I really like this animation and the history about it. Very very nice work.

[emmatube1]

Can Someone tell us what the music is???

[Diggnuts]

The music : Pruitt Igoe By Philip Glass.

[stujini]

is that in POV ray

because i made a video like that on POV RAY

[Diggnuts]

Not POV. The animation and modeling has been done in Cinema4D. Editing mostly in Premier.

[blugyblug]

Wow, that animation is really good. Nice music too.

Too bad the low quality of youtube messed it up though.

[und3rth3bridg3]

Very cool animation!

[dunmermage]

This is very fascinating, not only the animation is pretty good, but the history of the fortress is very interesting! First a border outpost, then a hideout for renegades, all to be turned down into pebbles by the might of a trebuchet. Just incredible.

[gamesbok]

A trebuchet (The War Wolf) took Sterling castle for Edward 1st, and mining was the way King John took Rochester castle.

[tonkaty]

That is the one weapon mankind can not find on radar. Think if a tank got hit by one.

[ccinema3]

What did you make this video on??? It was really cool!!! AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

[Diggnuts]

Cinema 4D, Adobe Premier, Adobe Photoshop and lots of small tools like CAD and vector utilities.

The rendering took weeks on a fair collection of PC and Mac hardware.

[theMEGAPOPE]

where can i buy one?

[Diggnuts]

Small models or blueprints are available. There also is a book on the subject. I build my own scaled down versions from blueprints I design myself ( the 3D model model in the movie has also been build scale 1:20 ).

Usually a 1:1 model with crew was rented/hired back in the day. I do not know of any rent'o'treb companies who operate in my area today.

[SpetznasBach]

name of the song? :P

[Diggnuts]

Pruitt Igoe By Philip Glass.

[Diggnuts]

You would need a massive backyard and a lot wood and other construction materials, but the plans to build such a machine are readily available.

I'd suggest to start small scale and build on of the kits you can get, or make a scale model from scratch.

[bassplayer412]

Do un o how big that fucker would have to be to chuck something that far? holy sweet god!

[Diggnuts]

A typical trebuchet would have a sling arm anywhere between 10 and 20 meters although bigger versions are known. The stones used to attack the Wysburg site where recovered during the archaeological dig ( 38 boulders found in total ) and are on average 70 kilograms in weight. The distance is reckoned to be roughly 400 meters. The trebuchet used at the Wysburg could therefore easily reach 15 meters in height. A very noisy next-door neighbour indeed.

[Madmachine73]

Are you sure a trebuchet could hurl up to 400 metres at that time? I thought that was the record made for the pumpkin throwing trebuchet, which is, as we see a really lighter projectile.

Even thought I only know that the farthest distance made for a 1 ton counterweight trebuchet with a 90 kg ball, it could shoot up to 200 metres.

So if I approximate with 70 kg, I'd say that it would maximum, only go around 300 metres, even thought I'm not convinced that it's possible.If find it even exagerated

[Diggnuts]

There is a true scale trebuchet replica build in 1997 using traditional construction techniques.You can easily look it up, it's in the Runneburg at Weissensee. This version can easily reach those distances with even heavier stones.

The counterweight would easily come it at multiple tons.

The stones found at the Wysburg are all in the order of 70 80 kilograms.

The most likely location supported by the evidence for the trebuchet at this moment is at about 400 meters away from the outer wall.

[Madmachine73]

I've researched and had no informaton on this location, and even I'd love to believe you but it would be odd too that wood has such a resistance to such massive heavy weights.

[Diggnuts]

You will find the relevant information for the site displayed in the diggnuts channel.

Possibly you are confusing the Trebuchet with the Couillard which did had half the distance and a much lighter counter balance.

A properly constructed tribock ( A-Frame ) of that size can easily support several tons of counterweight. 10 to 15 tons was not unthinkable.

And then there always, of course , is this little burg, the 30 somewhat stones and the most efficient trebuchet location that tell the story.

[tudoriliuta]

Oo , wood support for the walls ? that must be a teutonic order job , castles that was imposible not to conquer them :)

[Diggnuts]

The wooden posts seen in the wall are actually not part of the walls own structure. The wall consists of an stone inner and outer wall filled with debree. These wooden pieces are really struts put in place at set lengths when the wall was being hollowed out about two thirds in depth over the entire length.The cavity would be filled with all kinds of combustible materials. Then when it was set alight the pegs would eventually burn up and break resulting in the wall tumbling over.

[masterpaperaircrafts]

Beautifull and interesting recreation.

[Fredburphle]

That is a pretty sweet video man

Keep it up

5/5 : )

[tornquix]

Rudolf II was living 1552 to 1612!

[Diggnuts]

Rudolf II of the holy roman empire did indeed live then, but that is not the Rudolf II of concern to us here. Rudolf II, Duke of Austria, lived in the 13th century, around the time of the siege of the Wysburg. You can get all the relevant information about both Rudolfs at the rudolf II disambiguation page on wikipedia if you like to look into it further. Specific information about the siege itself can be found at the sites listed in the Diggnuts youtube account info tab.

[gruftin]

gut gemacht , nur zum schluss was unrealistisch .

Das modell is aber gut gelungen ,das würde auch real Funktionieren (ich hab eine kleinere selbst gebaut)

[barahona125]

pretty sweet, pleez check out my vid. I gave 5/5 this is real cool :D

[robertbarrentine]

If you want to see the real thing in action then search troop 84 to see some boyscouts chunk a pumpkin pretty dang far