Two airliners on a runway. One is filled with committed Christians and has no engines, control surfaces, electronics or flight crew. The other is a fully-functional, crewed passenger jet filled with Atheists. Each side tries to make their plane fly - the Christians through the power of prayer, while the Atheists put their trust in science and engineering. Who do you think will win?
@UltoTV I don't know what that comment means or is referring to, but the book of James answers every pretentious charge in this video. Also, obviously, the Gospels.
My parents are really in to pray, and they asked me to pray. So I did, I prayed to a jug of milk for an xbox 360. Something I knew my would never get from my parents. Soon after I got my wish. With christian logic that is enough to go out and start a milk cult.
There is a flaw in your logic. Any American soldier performing their duty in Afghanistan was a subhuman murderer of innocent brown skinned people. American soldiers are worse than Nazis.
@Abbadon380 Technically their arseholes are facing mecca when they pray as the world is spherical. :) Thats probaly why muslims prayers arent answered lmao
Also, the entire old testament talks about prayers not being answered. The proud (you), those with a hardened hearmt (you), those without faith (you), etc..God doesn't tend to grant their prayers.
I'm sorry that you're so angry and sad...God's not your genie...when you pretentiously claim that you didn't miss anything in your prayer, you did. You forgot James, who expounds on prayer and answers your question for you.
its funny that you would do this because your not sincere your trying to be correct is all. i bet in your deepest times of need you unintentionally call out to him....its ok God has mercy bro and I hope if you really want the truth you find it.
I’m still missing fingers after eight years of prayer for their restoration during my time as a Pentecostal Christian. I still pray, only now all my prayers are related to developing and practicing empathy, simplicity and humility. I’ve no way of knowing if I’m a more empathetic, simple and humble person for it. At least the prayers constantly remind me of what I really want to be like and that probably affect my behaviors.
@Cathmoytura Cath, don't worry, meanwhile you have been praying, science has been researching limb restoration, and has successfully regrown a finger in 4 weeks of an old man who lost hes in an accident involving a plane motor.
And in 10 to 5 years you should be able to regrow yours.
@LuisReefTank Not sure if my post was clear. I stopped praying for any god to fix my fingers, and am now stick to prayers for developing more empathy, simplicity and humility. I don't know whether they do any good beyond giving me a daily reminder of what I want to be like. If that's all I'm getting, good.
Your logic is fatally flawed. The presence of the placebo effect no more negates an effect of prayer any more than in those cases where there can be no placebo effect (remote prayers for animals) but which seemingly result in the spontaneous remission of neoplasms.
Furthermore, what proof do you have to suggest that the ability of the human brain to believe a postive outcome is not a faculty hardwired into the brain by a
supreme being. And "Quantum jumping". Now that's plausible.
@YD8189 ok... you do realize that the placebo effect isnt used to disprove or negate anything right? it's the psychological effect that grants a specified effect on the human body, and is extremely powerful in cases where stress the real issue.
here are some other cases in which the placebo effect is the only benefit granted by the treatment:
Actually, he is wrong: His claim that there is no hard data supporting intecessory is ignorant. He has cherrypicked his data which is the fingerprint of a fraud. Go to PubMed and check it out yourself. You'll find some research supported a prayer effect, some didn't, and some that were inconclusive.
Since there is research suggesting an influence of prayer, this guy has two choices: ignore the conflicting research or ditch his hypothesis.
@YD8189 He means no 'credible' data, published in a peer reviewed medium. The testimonies at your churches revival does not count. Please pray to end world hunger tonight, if there are still starving kids in the morning feel free to stop believing in fictional literature.
Again, he and you are wrong. I'll cite two because of space limitations. If you'd care this discussion send me a PM--and i wouldn't count on my bowing to your intellectual fascism.
Am J Hosp Palliat Care. 2009 Aug-Sep;26(4):264-9. Epub 2009 Feb 19.
Influence of prayer and prayer habits on outcome in patients with severe head injury.
South Med J. 2000 Dec;93(12):1177-86.
Effects of intercessory prayer on patients with rheumatoid arthritis.
@YD8189 Prayer, in this sense, is the same as positive thinking. Positive thinking has been show to have positive benefits as well. Its called the Placebo effect.
@YD8189 Prayer Effect = Placebo Effect (a non-theistic explanation). Positive thinking is also being researched in the quantum realm (Quantum Jumping and the like) for another explanation that is equally as verifiable as those studies.
I'm not a christian and for that matter you are far from a "freethinker". For what it's worth, this objective exercise represents nothing more than your opinion, unconsciously formed in a primary structure of the brain which creates emotion rather than reason. How do I know this? Your crude attempt at hypothesis testing drips with sarcasm, a form of passive aggressiveness, which is a variation of hostility--an emotion, and like all emotions it is unconsciously created and biased.
But those who let themselves to mislead them, or mislead others cant understand.
Those who trust books and words for that what is beyond words more then trust that what is in essence inside ourself; Are not trust and believe the holy spirit, but trust human interpretations more and so getting lost/further from the innner truth!
I advise to trust that Holy (in whatever form) in what is needed to be possible!
@19710802225 Placebo Effect (aka positive thinking, or being tricked into thinking you are being affected by outside sources). There are many, many studies on the reality of the placebo effect that have nothing to do with prayer (although I see them as similar).
Oh boy so funny, i like this stuff but i have a different understanding.
I personally believe & are able to read between the lines.
There are enough experiments done to proof the effects off prayer for example the placebo effect = a sientificly proofed phenomena same like the power off thoughts = influence matter!
Their might be a different perception off what the deffinitions are wrongly interpretated and understood abbout our GOD's nature!
God's laws are the laws off nature not understood!
@19710802225 LOL, you have no idea what the Placebo Effect is or anything else you said for that matter, that much is obvious from your comment. I guess 'God' never taught you the rules of grammar. Go burn one of those books you don't understand you illiterate drip.
@19710802225 I'm not sure how you go from admitting the reality of the placebo effect to claiming God is the essence of all natural laws, that's a big step that has zero evidence.
My uncle, who’s generally been a failure in life, has made tons of cash in the past year by setting up an online Christian ‘prayer service’.
People pay $10 to choose the prayer they want from a menu & are assured that thousands of ‘spiritual brothers & sisters’ will be praying for them around the globe. All nonsense of course, but wealthy retired folk in particular just keep sending money!
Now he plans to do the same for Muslims, Hindus & Jews- “millions more suckers to milk”- his own words!
@SuperTruth77 Does he have people sending in their "success" stories after the prayer supposedly happened? Because that would be as hilarious as it is sad.
@zacke6 Even the most sincere, faithful theists cant prove objectively the effects of prayer. If it works, the placebo effect makes much more sense than God answering prayers.
@therabbithole999 yup. any smart person understands that if there was real PROOF of god, close to everyone would follow him, witch isn't gods intent, he want people to BELIEVE in him, not follow him cuz there is no question he exists.
@zacke6 Why would it be considered "smart" to have faith? Also, why would God want us to believe in him with no evidence? He gave the people of the bible evidence (supposedly), why not us?
I'm an atheist. I agree with everything in this video, but the part about believing in homiopathic. You don't have to believe in it. Flowers and plants have been tested and proven before to have healing... err... "powers"( for a lack of a better word ) It acts in a way that it helps to strengthen your immune system and make you healthier. Not saying it is as affective as drugs, of course. But it does work to some extent. :)
@itsmichellecullen Many studies have shown that homeopathy has no additional effect compared to a placebo. This is probably because the concentration of the agent in homeopathics is usually extremely low as far as I know. So yes, it does work to some extent but not because of its ingredients. And believing in its effect certainly helps... ;)
@KatalinRaven Hahah I stand corrected. :D This is why I love being open minded, you don't get stuck on one thing and offended when you are proven wrong. Thanks!
@itsmichellecullen Open-mindedness also involved challenging whatever is presented to you...like maybe asking for sources? ;-) No offense mate, but if your definition is to just sponge up whatever is fed to you then you'll be pouring shit from your brains...and I say this for all things...not just religious debates.
@SirGeorge8600 Maybe you shouldn't just assume. I did some research after reading that comment and came to the conclusion that Homeopathy is just as effective as placebos.
@SirGeorge8600 In this case, he made a good decision to change his opinion. The placebo effect and the percentages of active ingredients in homeopathic "medicine" are both easily verifiable.
quantum physics - thought influences emotions emotion felt in the heart holds a magnetised charge over 100x more powerful than the brain does, this magnetic charge influences subatomic particles -spooky- although the bible and other religions are a pre science understanding of reality so yes we are foolish to keep our old beliefs we must trancend into the future using our new proven science and leave behind the obsolete teachings in relation to science,
Jesus also said : "He that believeth on me, the works that l do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do..." John 14:12 KJV - Either Jesus or John lied or Christians all lie and don't really believe on Jesus, because l don't see them curing the blind, sick and crippled, raising the dead, walking on water, calming the seas, etc etc .
Why not something a little more altruistic? Dear god or gods or whoever might listen. I pray that you give my obnoxious neighbor's ten children whose mother recently died a million euros. I never really liked these ex-neighbors, but I know they could use it and I don't expect anything in return. Please help.
Now what excuse will there be when it fails to happen this time? He wasn't listening? He doesn't like to be tested? I'm not testing. I'm asking. He doesn't care? He doesn't exist? Ah.
you forgot one thing though, it says BELIEVE that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. I'm not claiming that prayer works I'm saying you have to take that into account, you must BELIEVE and then pray.
Well, when prayer doesn't work, those who "believe" will claim that if you believe but don't receive immediately, then just keep asking. They say that God is not necessarily saying no, but rather "not now." As you can probably guess, they will defend God's reasons for not answering prayers forever, no matter if you follow every step of the "formula."
"They say that God is not necessarily saying no, but rather "not now." As you can probably guess, they will defend God's reasons for not answering prayers forever, no matter if you follow every step of the "formula."
TRUE lol. I said to somebody that prayer doesn't work and he said "so god is supposed to give u everything u ask 4?" well according to Jesus, yeah
@gokebe Are you a true beleiver? Please pray for world peace or for the healing of a good person. Make a video that proves that god actually did something.
wait.. your not supposed to test or question god. ;)
Yeah, he lost out on his prayers being answered. Hence the video. Did you watch the entire video? He has a valid point why he believes prayer doesn't work. Your job is to NOT threaten him, but rather PROVE that prayer works.
What is funny is that at 1:05 he claims to sincerely believe but you can clearly see he does not since he is mocking the word of God by making a stupid video to put on youtube to show people how prayer does not work. You don't even know how prayer works. And you also claimed where God does not make any errors or lies, as that is true but he cannot violate His nature either. You think he is going to give you a "hot babe" from next door so you can lust after her as you have already by saying "hot?
you have to choose what you believe without full evidence as soon as you take any step away from "i think therefore i am" you don't wake up every day believing gravity might not exist that day. If your saying all that is came about by chance, all the 1 in a google google-th things that seem to be just right for you to exist, how come you don't say when the scientists were doing experiments to find this "empirical evidence" it might be by chance that it turned out the same every time????
@lis10truth2noledge No most atheists don't care about claims of miracles because 99 percent of miracles that I can look up are fake, or just a product of people's perception. You are being gullible to the point of insanity. I was a devout Christian for 15 years I knew all the miracles and all the claims and I even had "spiritual experiences" I attributed to God, but I can look back and realize those were just myself and even recreate them. I know they weren't from a God.
@lis10truth2noledge Oh and the 1 percent that haven't been proven fake probably are, just lack enough eye witness testimony or reports etc. etc. to try to validate it even one way or another. Don't fall prey to religious propaganda. If God really wanted people to know he exists by performing miracles, go perform a miracle in Goddamned Africa and stop children from dying in droves every day. If God doesn't want to do this he's just a sick lazy bastard.
@savana906 Who am I disrespecting? God? Oh wait he doesn't exist therefore I can't disrespect him, besides if he's omnipotent and infinitely powerful why does he care? Oh wait, you think he cares because he was invented by you sick bronze age minded bastards. There, now I'm insulting you for your corrosive, pointless, despicable beliefs. I know it's hard for Christians to spell correctly, but I think you meant "Freeloosetounge." Remember, a loose tounge can get into tight places.
@savana906 Or maybe I'm just rude and disrespectful just to incoherent ignorant fools such as lis10truth2nolege who's name just signifies that he's a cave man mentality moosh minded maggot, which is fine with me also. I have no shame in putting you people in your place.
Wow your slander, makes you so cool and powerful, you really put me in my place. I am now in awe of you and your knowledge. as much as you might try belittle me and try use that i am beneath you to say you wont reply to me. even if my grammar or English isn't the best, if you still understood what i was saying, (which you should being so well educated and all) why could you not continue conversation. Or is it that I'm simply not blindly believing what you want me to believe?
@lis10truth2noledge Lastly, your arguments make no sense whatsoever. Maybe if you weren't so inarticulate in the English language you could argue with me, but since you can't keep up grammatically I'm going to stop responding to you, because you've already demonstrated your ignorance to a sufficient degree.
to simplify. A) what evidence do you have that the world exists and your not trapped in something like the matrix? "I think therefore I am" is a philosophical argument, but it is impracticable to live out of that being the only thing you believe. I assume you believe the world actually exists and is not just a figment of your thought, but there is no completely sound arguement for a reason to believe this.. this shows that you dont only believe things because of emperical evidence.
B) I assume you claim that all that is came about by chance? even though the chance of you existing due to all the factors involved are very very slim. if you believe that happened by chance, the chance of a scientist getting the same result from an experiment done 10,000 times is still a smaller chance, when the result may still not always occur. yet you rely on the evidence those experiments point to? what are the chances they could still be wrong & not everything is physical?
@lis10truth2noledge You're looking at chance incorrectly. Actually, the chance was VERY HIGH. You're looking at it from the point of view of where you are NOW. You need to look at what was required for life to begin, and if you couple that with how many planets there are, there is a HUGE number of planets (tens of thousands) that fit the requirement. We developed on this one.
Hey, what are the odds that you would find this video on YouTube exactly when you did? Astronomical, from your POV
to parallel your argument; with all the experiments done the chances are quite high that one would have a false positive stating something is always the result when it is only the result most of the time.
Also if life was so likely on 'tens of thousands' of other planets why have we not found life there as well?
@lis10truth2noledge In science, nothing is EVER said to happen "all the time." It is, however, said to be shown in numerous, repeatable trials that have not yet had contradiction. That's how science works: unlike religion, science doesn't claim to work in absolutes, but in probability. . . .
I'm glad you admit science doesn't work in absolutes, some people don't seem to argue as if this is true :)
I guess i believe in my religion wrongly then, because It seems to me that it is highly probably God exists therefore I believe in and put my faith and trust in it! :)
and hasn't failed me or those that are currently Christians yet, guess that's the numerous repeatable trials part :p
@lis10truth2noledge "I'm glad you admit science doesn't work in absolutes, some people don't seem to argue as if this is true"
I have a degree in chemistry. The most basic thing they teach you is that no idea is irreversible.
"It seems to me that it is highly probably God exists"
I can't deny whether or not ANY god exists, but I can use the Bible, itself, to show that it's highly unlikely that the Christian God does. Also, the science points to a god being unnecessary, so why accept one?
@lis10truth2noledge "I'm glad you admit science doesn't work in absolutes, some people don't seem to argue as if this is true"
I have a degree in chemistry. The most basic thing taught in science is that no idea is irreversible.
"it is highly probably God exists"
I can't disprove that ANY god exists, but I can show the Biblical account to be wrong with respect to both scientific evidence AND itself! Also, scientific evidence shows a deity to be unnecessary, so any god would be pointless.
@MagicActor1987 (I was mainly having fun with the second part of my post)
"scientific evidence shows a deity to be unnecessary", unnecessary for what? if Sin is real then it actually is necessary for God to redeem us from this Sin.
Is Love something more than chemicals Or do we actually have free-will? why would people who believe Love is no more and we done have free-will naturally live as if this falsehood was true. should they not live by this truth, be living examples of that truth?
@lis10truth2noledge I suppose I was a little vague in meaning. God is unnecessary as an explanation for natural phenomena.
Love has been shown to be the release of specific chemicals in a specific area of the brain. You can do an MRI on someone and show them a picture of someone and know whether or not they love the person.
We don't know if fate or free will is the way of the world. That goes deeper than just chemicals of love, as the two are rooted in external factors, not just brain chem.
@lis10truth2noledge Technically speaking, no, love isn't more than this. It's a great feeling, and one that people try to experience often. Kinda like how a painting is really no more than a few strokes of a brush, but whittling it down to that doesn't make the painting any less beautiful.
By "rooted in external factors," I mean that it's all about whether choices outside/external to our bodies are, indeed, our own.
As far as witnessed, there is no known break of C/E when time is a factor.
@MagicActor1987 "Technically speaking, no, love isn't more than this." what do you mean technically speaking, is it some how more than this when we aren't speaking technically?
what choices outside/external to our bodies are you referring to?
and why do you add when time is a factor to no known break of C&E?
@lis10truth2noledge I say "technically speaking" because I'm used to creationists assuming that I have no value for things. If I just said, "Yes, that's all love is," I'd be attacked for my atheism supposedly draining me of morals or values.
You pick up a pen. Was that fate or free will? It, unlike love, involves a conscious choice.
And I add "when time is a factor" because there's no C/E without time! For something to happen as a result of something else, you need time.
@MagicActor1987 "You pick up a pen. Was that fate or free will? It, unlike love, involves a conscious choice."
your use of the word choice implies you believe in free will, yet I'll note you didn't actually answer the question, just replied with the same question. so if you say picking up a pen involves a conscious choice, could we not consciously choose to love (act in a loving way) therefore creating the chemical release in our brains?
@lis10truth2noledge "could we not consciously choose to love (act in a loving way) therefore creating the chemical release in our brains?" -- Acting in a loving way is not the same as being in love. Being in love triggers certain chemicals to be released when presented with stimulus of the romantic partner (such as a picture).
"is there such a place where time isn't a factor?" -- Outside the universe. "Before" (for lack of a better word) the Big Bang. Time came about from the BB.
@MagicActor1987 "Being in love triggers certain chemicals to be released when presented with stimulus ..."
how did that person come to release those chemicals when presented with such stimulus, or do you simply fall in love and fall out of it? is it not by our choices that we are releasing these chemicals, I mean if you didn't work on the relationship surely that chemical release would eventually stop.
@lis10truth2noledge "do you...fall in...and...out of it?" - I don't know, I'm not a researcher in that field. I only know the documentary I saw.
"if you didn't work on the relationship...that chemical release would...stop." -- Ah, but is attraction even a choice? That can come down to such things as smell and ovulation and stuff. Interesting topic.
"does it have a scale to say how in love you are?" -- Does ANYONE have a reliable scale for this?
@lis10truth2noledge As far as why we haven't found life there, it's because we can't check. We have found literally hundreds of planets that could support life, and they're estimated to be in the millions, but we have no way to check whether or not there IS life, yet. No telescope is powerful enough to pick up an individual being on a planet so far away and through the atmosphere. If they have technology, we don't know what kind they would have in order to contact them.
@lis10truth2noledge Gravity is proven by the scientific method and has been repeated for over 400 years. Why would we wake up doubting that? Chance is one option, God may be another option, as well as many other explanations that we cannot claim to be true or prove. String field theory can give a third explanation. "We don't know" is the only certain answer when talking about the origin of the universe and the unlikely/nearly impossible reasons for the physics involved.
so you think you can use scientific method to disprove the exceptions of scientific method. And then if you have any evidence (such as hospital's ex-rays of before and after) you simply dismiss it as an unknown exception due to some scientific reality we have not yet learnt of. Yet your scientific method starts failing when we view things in detail, such as quantum mechanics or how on a big enough scale we can't understand how universe's correspond.
@lis10truth2noledge You obviously don't know what the scientific method is if you say it fails on quantum mechanics. Its not a theory its a methodology that has never failed in anything. There are no exceptions to the scientific method, because there is no evidence that anything happens without naturalistic causes. Things that can be presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Sorry I worded pretty much all that really badly. can you use scientific method to prove scientific method always works? stating there is evidence of prayer working
I was saying you can't keep using Scientific method for growth in knowledge, in areas such as quantum mechanics. At a quantum mechanics we see that observation influences occurrence. therefore application of Scientific method in experiments (which you are obviously observing something) could be influencing the outcome.
@lis10truth2noledge The scientific method cannot fail, its only a methodology and it has nothing to do with the types of experiment you must conduct it simply states you run an experiment. You misunderstand the process of the study of particle physics. Yes, if you try to examine an electron or any other particle of subatomic matter directly you will force its probability cloud to collapse, but when scientists study these particles they use detectors that pick up the aftereffects of...
it gets you to only believe what is provable by experiment. perhaps there is something that exists that will not allow itself to be scrutinized under experiment.. and what evidence do you have that prayer fails 100% of the time? and that only the human mind gives it credence, what if there were only meant to be a limited number of answered prayers a day, or for what ever reason they never worked in relation to something measurable.
@lis10truth2noledge I can tell you how you can believe all that. By using the reasoning skills of someone from the 13th century. There is absolutely no evidence for anything supernatural, and if you apply any type of logic to the notions put forth by Christianity or Islam, you will realize immediately how fallacious the whole idea of a supernatural deity in our universe is. Its the same thing as to why only mostly dumb rednecks are ghosthunters, because intelligent people know better.
Thanks for the insult its real helpful, I just don't only only believe what I'm told by a certain strain of media. I also approach things from a more open point of view than what ever x and y scientist or atheist leader says is truth, how much research have you done into arguments against what you believe?
have you looked into evidence like the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano,
Just go check out the facts for yourself on those miracles and trust the evidence of your own eyes. It takes someone with a very open mind or a determination to prove the miracles false to go check them out. I think such people are much rarer than is commonly believed. Certainly, most atheists I know would not investigate but just argue from what they already know to be true
@lis10truth2noledge I don't have evidence that prayer fails 100 percent of the time, I dismissed the claim that prayer works at all because the notion is presented without evidence. Therefore, I dismiss it 100 percent without evidence of my own. Its not my job to prove prayer doesn't work, or that there are things that don't present evidence(there aren't) because these ideas are presented in the absence of it and I can dismiss them just as easily.
How bout you look through hospital records for documentated "impossible" miraculous cures. Atheists are convinced a priori, by argument, that miracles can't happen. The problem is if you believe all things in the universe are subject to natural physical laws - then miracles are defined out of existence. Check out the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Medjugorge, St Padre Pio. They are labeled as unknown or even unreal and swept away simply because your worldview can't contain them.
@lis10truth2noledge ...the predicted processes that quantum mechanics and the standard model predict. I will admit it is in a way contrived, but it is currently the best prediction for the subatomic world we have and if it is a good predictor, it is most likely accurate. Even if the scientific method failed horribly in quantum mechanics, that doesn't change the fact that prayer fails with 100 percent accuracy, and only the human mind gives it any credence at all.
When I was 15 my mum had cancer and I remembered this claim from school scripture class - so I prayed to God that she would live (not exactly a petty and selfish request, is it?!)
Guess what?! ..... BEEERP! Request denied!
This proved to me the bible was plain wrong. 23 years later - still haven't found a religious apologist who can answer why the Bible failed to deliver on that one!
Ive also seen evidence that prayer V no prayer have EXACTLY the same statistical outcomes as random selection.
It doesn't work at all. This has been scientifically tested several times but christians and others who believe in prayer just ignore the facts. I fact, the more I experience people of "faith" the more I'm convinced that that's the definition of what they are, willful ignorance of fact.
Shit and giggles mostly. "I created mankind, now what? That's it! I'll make some creature whose sole purpose is to corrupt humans, make it REALLY good at his job, and THEN blame humans if they get corrupted! This whole 'creation' thing is so fun!"
@tryme2pls and your bat shit crazy :/ if good men should be condemned to hell becuase they dont believe in -god- then i dont envy you for what awaits in your after life friend.
Didn't you hear? The god of the desert specializes only in internal diseases. He's not into psychiatry either, which explains why most of his followers are in their current state.
Impressive mental wrangilng here. So whos sect of christianity is best for being worshipped to? Id like a pair of shiny sparklers, so which christians have those? preferably involving baptism?
the problem with your prayer is that you really don't believe. i'm not trying to bash your beliefs because science definitely has proved more true than religion, but i also believe there is some sort of higher power.
@xTheEmilyx "the problem" with prayer is, that it doesn't matter if you believe or not, the chance for the prayer to "be answered"/"come true by accident" are identical.
So either your god masks the efficency of prayer as accidental or there is no prayer answered at all, and it is accidental.
Your choice what you want to believe. I stick with the scientific approach. Just makes more sense...
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Do you know the amazing thing? God still loves you and still invites you to be his child. God is not offended by what you did because we all have done worse to him, yet he responds with love and as Daniel 9:9 states, "but the lord our god is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him"
the parents and family then in this situation is it a blessing that God should give a son or is it a blessing that He should not give a son.
We sometimes ask God for money and wealth but God does not lent us the wealth that we wish for but this does not mean that God has not granted our prayers. But on the other hand if God gives us wealth and money and we get killed for that money or we forget God because of that money, then in this situation is wealth a blessing or the absence of it?
@1tabligh I don't think this is the right place to give a sermon.
The question still remains; Why in ALL of the history of humanity is there not one single report of an amputee being healed? What are we to make of that simple fact?
a) Not one single amputee who EVER lived was worthy of God's grace
or
b) God does NOT perform miracles
I'll leave it to you to decide which makes more sense.
They've already proven that prayer makes no difference to any outcome.
This is stupid.
rachelleighsmith 7 hours ago
Science vs Religion experiment:
Two airliners on a runway. One is filled with committed Christians and has no engines, control surfaces, electronics or flight crew. The other is a fully-functional, crewed passenger jet filled with Atheists. Each side tries to make their plane fly - the Christians through the power of prayer, while the Atheists put their trust in science and engineering. Who do you think will win?
UncleFeedle 3 days ago
@UltoTV I don't know what that comment means or is referring to, but the book of James answers every pretentious charge in this video. Also, obviously, the Gospels.
urautubeloser1 3 weeks ago
My parents are really in to pray, and they asked me to pray. So I did, I prayed to a jug of milk for an xbox 360. Something I knew my would never get from my parents. Soon after I got my wish. With christian logic that is enough to go out and start a milk cult.
Great video!
jeremyhansen100 3 weeks ago
There is a flaw in your logic. Any American soldier performing their duty in Afghanistan was a subhuman murderer of innocent brown skinned people. American soldiers are worse than Nazis.
699backstab 4 weeks ago
COUNTLESS BELEIVERS PUT THEIR ARSE IN THE AIR opposite of MECCA
Abbadon380 1 month ago
@Abbadon380 Technically their arseholes are facing mecca when they pray as the world is spherical. :) Thats probaly why muslims prayers arent answered lmao
Thelondonbadger 1 month ago
You used an Xkcd webcomic.
NICE.
Percival917 1 month ago
Also, the entire old testament talks about prayers not being answered. The proud (you), those with a hardened hearmt (you), those without faith (you), etc..God doesn't tend to grant their prayers.
urautubeloser1 2 months ago
@urautubeloser1 are anybody else.....
UltorTV 3 weeks ago
I'm sorry that you're so angry and sad...God's not your genie...when you pretentiously claim that you didn't miss anything in your prayer, you did. You forgot James, who expounds on prayer and answers your question for you.
urautubeloser1 2 months ago
its funny that you would do this because your not sincere your trying to be correct is all. i bet in your deepest times of need you unintentionally call out to him....its ok God has mercy bro and I hope if you really want the truth you find it.
srry3 2 months ago
Skepticism*
Jh5kRadio 2 months ago
I’m still missing fingers after eight years of prayer for their restoration during my time as a Pentecostal Christian. I still pray, only now all my prayers are related to developing and practicing empathy, simplicity and humility. I’ve no way of knowing if I’m a more empathetic, simple and humble person for it. At least the prayers constantly remind me of what I really want to be like and that probably affect my behaviors.
Cathmoytura 2 months ago
@Cathmoytura Cath, don't worry, meanwhile you have been praying, science has been researching limb restoration, and has successfully regrown a finger in 4 weeks of an old man who lost hes in an accident involving a plane motor.
And in 10 to 5 years you should be able to regrow yours.
LuisReefTank 2 months ago
@LuisReefTank Not sure if my post was clear. I stopped praying for any god to fix my fingers, and am now stick to prayers for developing more empathy, simplicity and humility. I don't know whether they do any good beyond giving me a daily reminder of what I want to be like. If that's all I'm getting, good.
Cathmoytura 2 months ago
Why do these atheists always sound like such dorks?
stallion4life 4 months ago
@stallion4life well if you think that your a dumass/ stupid slut
Honyi1 3 months ago
Your logic is fatally flawed. The presence of the placebo effect no more negates an effect of prayer any more than in those cases where there can be no placebo effect (remote prayers for animals) but which seemingly result in the spontaneous remission of neoplasms.
Furthermore, what proof do you have to suggest that the ability of the human brain to believe a postive outcome is not a faculty hardwired into the brain by a
supreme being. And "Quantum jumping". Now that's plausible.
YD8189 4 months ago
@YD8189 ok... you do realize that the placebo effect isnt used to disprove or negate anything right? it's the psychological effect that grants a specified effect on the human body, and is extremely powerful in cases where stress the real issue.
here are some other cases in which the placebo effect is the only benefit granted by the treatment:
crystal light beds, acutonics, petting animals, excorcism, and therapeutic touch therapy.
all these things have benefits, and all are psychological.
FinchD37 4 months ago
@servepartnership You are not heading Buffet's advice, Christians make up ~70% of America, definitely the majority.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
I feel that your tone is affected. Don't snap!
quartercherries 4 months ago
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quartercherries 4 months ago
Actually, he is wrong: His claim that there is no hard data supporting intecessory is ignorant. He has cherrypicked his data which is the fingerprint of a fraud. Go to PubMed and check it out yourself. You'll find some research supported a prayer effect, some didn't, and some that were inconclusive.
Since there is research suggesting an influence of prayer, this guy has two choices: ignore the conflicting research or ditch his hypothesis.
Whatever he did, it wasn't science.
YD8189 5 months ago
@YD8189 He means no 'credible' data, published in a peer reviewed medium. The testimonies at your churches revival does not count. Please pray to end world hunger tonight, if there are still starving kids in the morning feel free to stop believing in fictional literature.
Killedkennyagain 4 months ago
@Killedkennyagain
Again, he and you are wrong. I'll cite two because of space limitations. If you'd care this discussion send me a PM--and i wouldn't count on my bowing to your intellectual fascism.
Am J Hosp Palliat Care. 2009 Aug-Sep;26(4):264-9. Epub 2009 Feb 19.
Influence of prayer and prayer habits on outcome in patients with severe head injury.
South Med J. 2000 Dec;93(12):1177-86.
Effects of intercessory prayer on patients with rheumatoid arthritis.
If you'd like to
YD8189 4 months ago
@YD8189 Prayer, in this sense, is the same as positive thinking. Positive thinking has been show to have positive benefits as well. Its called the Placebo effect.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
@YD8189 Prayer Effect = Placebo Effect (a non-theistic explanation). Positive thinking is also being researched in the quantum realm (Quantum Jumping and the like) for another explanation that is equally as verifiable as those studies.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
I'm not a christian and for that matter you are far from a "freethinker". For what it's worth, this objective exercise represents nothing more than your opinion, unconsciously formed in a primary structure of the brain which creates emotion rather than reason. How do I know this? Your crude attempt at hypothesis testing drips with sarcasm, a form of passive aggressiveness, which is a variation of hostility--an emotion, and like all emotions it is unconsciously created and biased.
YD8189 5 months ago
@YD8189 but more importantly is he wrong?
Antisocialnerd2 5 months ago
you obviously didnt sincerely believe noob
jessesetsfire 5 months ago
@jessesetsfire well did you can i have a go in your rocket ship if you did
Antisocialnerd2 5 months ago
@jessesetsfire Im guessing you do? What prayers can you show to be objective?
therabbithole999 4 months ago
im just countering absurdity with absurdity. faith and rationale are made to compliment each other, not offend
jessesetsfire 4 months ago
But those who let themselves to mislead them, or mislead others cant understand.
Those who trust books and words for that what is beyond words more then trust that what is in essence inside ourself; Are not trust and believe the holy spirit, but trust human interpretations more and so getting lost/further from the innner truth!
I advise to trust that Holy (in whatever form) in what is needed to be possible!
Be thankfull for that what is possible!
Be positive, to attrackt possitivity!
Amen!
19710802225 6 months ago
@19710802225 Placebo Effect (aka positive thinking, or being tricked into thinking you are being affected by outside sources). There are many, many studies on the reality of the placebo effect that have nothing to do with prayer (although I see them as similar).
therabbithole999 4 months ago
Oh boy so funny, i like this stuff but i have a different understanding.
I personally believe & are able to read between the lines.
There are enough experiments done to proof the effects off prayer for example the placebo effect = a sientificly proofed phenomena same like the power off thoughts = influence matter!
Their might be a different perception off what the deffinitions are wrongly interpretated and understood abbout our GOD's nature!
God's laws are the laws off nature not understood!
19710802225 6 months ago
@19710802225 LOL, you have no idea what the Placebo Effect is or anything else you said for that matter, that much is obvious from your comment. I guess 'God' never taught you the rules of grammar. Go burn one of those books you don't understand you illiterate drip.
Killedkennyagain 4 months ago
@19710802225 I'm not sure how you go from admitting the reality of the placebo effect to claiming God is the essence of all natural laws, that's a big step that has zero evidence.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
My uncle, who’s generally been a failure in life, has made tons of cash in the past year by setting up an online Christian ‘prayer service’.
People pay $10 to choose the prayer they want from a menu & are assured that thousands of ‘spiritual brothers & sisters’ will be praying for them around the globe. All nonsense of course, but wealthy retired folk in particular just keep sending money!
Now he plans to do the same for Muslims, Hindus & Jews- “millions more suckers to milk”- his own words!
SuperTruth77 6 months ago 15
@SuperTruth77 Genius!
Killedkennyagain 4 months ago
@SuperTruth77 That, my friends, is the true power of religion! XD
RichtoffenRoach 3 months ago
@SuperTruth77 Does he have people sending in their "success" stories after the prayer supposedly happened? Because that would be as hilarious as it is sad.
Drowsong 2 months ago
Dude, that hot babe and I are riding that pony in space thanks to the rocket ship god gave me to get there
*obvious sarcasm*
supernova901 7 months ago
Haha your such an idiot
canopydreams 7 months ago
SoldierInGodsArmy made a good video about that, if you want to see it, go to my channel
ThePeacefulAtheistt 7 months ago
SoldierInGodsArmy made a good video about that, ig you want to see it, go to my channel
ThePeacefulAtheistt 7 months ago
Um, I think you missed the sincerely-part...
zacke6 7 months ago
@zacke6 Even the most sincere, faithful theists cant prove objectively the effects of prayer. If it works, the placebo effect makes much more sense than God answering prayers.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
@therabbithole999 yup. any smart person understands that if there was real PROOF of god, close to everyone would follow him, witch isn't gods intent, he want people to BELIEVE in him, not follow him cuz there is no question he exists.
zacke6 3 months ago
@zacke6 Why would it be considered "smart" to have faith? Also, why would God want us to believe in him with no evidence? He gave the people of the bible evidence (supposedly), why not us?
therabbithole999 3 months ago
My brother's friend once said "I know prayer works. I once hurt my leg, my church prayed for it to get better and eventually it did!"
Gives you a pretty good idea of how these people think.
blackkakari 7 months ago
"Prayer: How to do nothing and still think you are helping."
Heyprinny 8 months ago 25
Pray to ME guys, I grant 300 times as many prayers as Yahweh.
300 x 0 = 0
WaltonSauce 8 months ago
I'm an atheist. I agree with everything in this video, but the part about believing in homiopathic. You don't have to believe in it. Flowers and plants have been tested and proven before to have healing... err... "powers"( for a lack of a better word ) It acts in a way that it helps to strengthen your immune system and make you healthier. Not saying it is as affective as drugs, of course. But it does work to some extent. :)
itsmichellecullen 8 months ago
@itsmichellecullen Many studies have shown that homeopathy has no additional effect compared to a placebo. This is probably because the concentration of the agent in homeopathics is usually extremely low as far as I know. So yes, it does work to some extent but not because of its ingredients. And believing in its effect certainly helps... ;)
KatalinRaven 8 months ago
@KatalinRaven Hahah I stand corrected. :D This is why I love being open minded, you don't get stuck on one thing and offended when you are proven wrong. Thanks!
itsmichellecullen 8 months ago
@itsmichellecullen Open-mindedness also involved challenging whatever is presented to you...like maybe asking for sources? ;-) No offense mate, but if your definition is to just sponge up whatever is fed to you then you'll be pouring shit from your brains...and I say this for all things...not just religious debates.
SirGeorge8600 7 months ago
@SirGeorge8600 Maybe you shouldn't just assume. I did some research after reading that comment and came to the conclusion that Homeopathy is just as effective as placebos.
itsmichellecullen 7 months ago
@SirGeorge8600 In this case, he made a good decision to change his opinion. The placebo effect and the percentages of active ingredients in homeopathic "medicine" are both easily verifiable.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
"The principal difficulties in the practice of prayer are distraction and dryness. The remedy lies in faith, conversion, and vigilance of heart."
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utubie00 8 months ago
quantum physics - thought influences emotions emotion felt in the heart holds a magnetised charge over 100x more powerful than the brain does, this magnetic charge influences subatomic particles -spooky- although the bible and other religions are a pre science understanding of reality so yes we are foolish to keep our old beliefs we must trancend into the future using our new proven science and leave behind the obsolete teachings in relation to science,
snake123706569 9 months ago
@snake123706569 what the hell are you talking about (or was it a satire)?
maximkazhenkov11 8 months ago
Jesus said "RELIGION IS FUCKING BULL SHIT!!!"
He also said "METAL!!! ROCK ON!!!!!"
L33Tn00bslyr 9 months ago
Jesus also said : "He that believeth on me, the works that l do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do..." John 14:12 KJV - Either Jesus or John lied or Christians all lie and don't really believe on Jesus, because l don't see them curing the blind, sick and crippled, raising the dead, walking on water, calming the seas, etc etc .
00AngelDog00 9 months ago
I think prayer only gives hope and makes them happy/calm.
I doubt the videomaker is a christian <.<
rangergxi 9 months ago
@servepartnership The majority of people beleive in God... 60% of the world is Christian/Islamic.
Atheism and Scientology are nothing like eachother.
rangergxi 9 months ago
Why not something a little more altruistic? Dear god or gods or whoever might listen. I pray that you give my obnoxious neighbor's ten children whose mother recently died a million euros. I never really liked these ex-neighbors, but I know they could use it and I don't expect anything in return. Please help.
Now what excuse will there be when it fails to happen this time? He wasn't listening? He doesn't like to be tested? I'm not testing. I'm asking. He doesn't care? He doesn't exist? Ah.
viridismonasteriense 10 months ago
Lol! This is excellent!
madder66mortem 10 months ago
@ffreethinker
you forgot one thing though, it says BELIEVE that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. I'm not claiming that prayer works I'm saying you have to take that into account, you must BELIEVE and then pray.
gokebe 10 months ago
@gokebe
Well, when prayer doesn't work, those who "believe" will claim that if you believe but don't receive immediately, then just keep asking. They say that God is not necessarily saying no, but rather "not now." As you can probably guess, they will defend God's reasons for not answering prayers forever, no matter if you follow every step of the "formula."
4EverTrying 10 months ago
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@4EverTrying
"They say that God is not necessarily saying no, but rather "not now." As you can probably guess, they will defend God's reasons for not answering prayers forever, no matter if you follow every step of the "formula."
TRUE lol. I said to somebody that prayer doesn't work and he said "so god is supposed to give u everything u ask 4?" well according to Jesus, yeah
gokebe 10 months ago
@gokebe Are you a true beleiver? Please pray for world peace or for the healing of a good person. Make a video that proves that god actually did something.
wait.. your not supposed to test or question god. ;)
rangergxi 9 months ago 2
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@rangergxi
no I'm not a believer
gokebe 9 months ago
You looser you shouldnt even say a prayer your not worthy youll see
tjplayer34 10 months ago
@tjplayer34
Yeah, he lost out on his prayers being answered. Hence the video. Did you watch the entire video? He has a valid point why he believes prayer doesn't work. Your job is to NOT threaten him, but rather PROVE that prayer works.
4EverTrying 10 months ago
wow, you fucking retard... he doesnt mean self desire.
Airsicktitan 10 months ago
There God, please dont make me as stupid as the guy who made this video...
Well what do you know, it worked.
Search4Knowledge 10 months ago
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@Search4Knowledge "There God, please dont make me as stupid as the guy who made this video...
Well what do you know, it worked."
I've got some bad news for you. . . .
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
What is funny is that at 1:05 he claims to sincerely believe but you can clearly see he does not since he is mocking the word of God by making a stupid video to put on youtube to show people how prayer does not work. You don't even know how prayer works. And you also claimed where God does not make any errors or lies, as that is true but he cannot violate His nature either. You think he is going to give you a "hot babe" from next door so you can lust after her as you have already by saying "hot?
LetTheLegGo 11 months ago
@LetTheLegGo So you do believe? If so, you say the same prayers and see what happens.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
That guy had his LEGS BLOWN OFF and he helps the LESS FORTUNATE? Wow... Those people must be sad as f*ck.
Also, yay XKCD.
Are imaginary numbers real?
FHomeBrew 11 months ago
you have to choose what you believe without full evidence as soon as you take any step away from "i think therefore i am" you don't wake up every day believing gravity might not exist that day. If your saying all that is came about by chance, all the 1 in a google google-th things that seem to be just right for you to exist, how come you don't say when the scientists were doing experiments to find this "empirical evidence" it might be by chance that it turned out the same every time????
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge No most atheists don't care about claims of miracles because 99 percent of miracles that I can look up are fake, or just a product of people's perception. You are being gullible to the point of insanity. I was a devout Christian for 15 years I knew all the miracles and all the claims and I even had "spiritual experiences" I attributed to God, but I can look back and realize those were just myself and even recreate them. I know they weren't from a God.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker 99%, I would love to see the 1% that do...
therabbithole999 4 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge Oh and the 1 percent that haven't been proven fake probably are, just lack enough eye witness testimony or reports etc. etc. to try to validate it even one way or another. Don't fall prey to religious propaganda. If God really wanted people to know he exists by performing miracles, go perform a miracle in Goddamned Africa and stop children from dying in droves every day. If God doesn't want to do this he's just a sick lazy bastard.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker You are one rude disrespectful person, you should call yourself ''Freelosetongue'' not Freethinker.
savana906 11 months ago
@savana906 Who am I disrespecting? God? Oh wait he doesn't exist therefore I can't disrespect him, besides if he's omnipotent and infinitely powerful why does he care? Oh wait, you think he cares because he was invented by you sick bronze age minded bastards. There, now I'm insulting you for your corrosive, pointless, despicable beliefs. I know it's hard for Christians to spell correctly, but I think you meant "Freeloosetounge." Remember, a loose tounge can get into tight places.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
@savana906 Or maybe I'm just rude and disrespectful just to incoherent ignorant fools such as lis10truth2nolege who's name just signifies that he's a cave man mentality moosh minded maggot, which is fine with me also. I have no shame in putting you people in your place.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker
Wow your slander, makes you so cool and powerful, you really put me in my place. I am now in awe of you and your knowledge. as much as you might try belittle me and try use that i am beneath you to say you wont reply to me. even if my grammar or English isn't the best, if you still understood what i was saying, (which you should being so well educated and all) why could you not continue conversation. Or is it that I'm simply not blindly believing what you want me to believe?
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@savana906 How is saying that I/he don't believe in miracles "rude and disrespectful"? Why would God not want to stop the mass death of children?
therabbithole999 4 months ago
@iFreeThinker I opened my mouth too soon! Sorry.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge Lastly, your arguments make no sense whatsoever. Maybe if you weren't so inarticulate in the English language you could argue with me, but since you can't keep up grammatically I'm going to stop responding to you, because you've already demonstrated your ignorance to a sufficient degree.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker
to simplify. A) what evidence do you have that the world exists and your not trapped in something like the matrix? "I think therefore I am" is a philosophical argument, but it is impracticable to live out of that being the only thing you believe. I assume you believe the world actually exists and is not just a figment of your thought, but there is no completely sound arguement for a reason to believe this.. this shows that you dont only believe things because of emperical evidence.
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker
B) I assume you claim that all that is came about by chance? even though the chance of you existing due to all the factors involved are very very slim. if you believe that happened by chance, the chance of a scientist getting the same result from an experiment done 10,000 times is still a smaller chance, when the result may still not always occur. yet you rely on the evidence those experiments point to? what are the chances they could still be wrong & not everything is physical?
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge You're looking at chance incorrectly. Actually, the chance was VERY HIGH. You're looking at it from the point of view of where you are NOW. You need to look at what was required for life to begin, and if you couple that with how many planets there are, there is a HUGE number of planets (tens of thousands) that fit the requirement. We developed on this one.
Hey, what are the odds that you would find this video on YouTube exactly when you did? Astronomical, from your POV
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@MagicActor1987
to parallel your argument; with all the experiments done the chances are quite high that one would have a false positive stating something is always the result when it is only the result most of the time.
Also if life was so likely on 'tens of thousands' of other planets why have we not found life there as well?
lis10truth2noledge 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge In science, nothing is EVER said to happen "all the time." It is, however, said to be shown in numerous, repeatable trials that have not yet had contradiction. That's how science works: unlike religion, science doesn't claim to work in absolutes, but in probability. . . .
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@MagicActor1987
I'm glad you admit science doesn't work in absolutes, some people don't seem to argue as if this is true :)
I guess i believe in my religion wrongly then, because It seems to me that it is highly probably God exists therefore I believe in and put my faith and trust in it! :)
and hasn't failed me or those that are currently Christians yet, guess that's the numerous repeatable trials part :p
lis10truth2noledge 10 months ago
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@lis10truth2noledge "I'm glad you admit science doesn't work in absolutes, some people don't seem to argue as if this is true"
I have a degree in chemistry. The most basic thing they teach you is that no idea is irreversible.
"It seems to me that it is highly probably God exists"
I can't deny whether or not ANY god exists, but I can use the Bible, itself, to show that it's highly unlikely that the Christian God does. Also, the science points to a god being unnecessary, so why accept one?
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge "and hasn't failed me or those that are currently Christians yet, guess that's the numerous repeatable trials part "
That would only be true if we could assess the outcome of those trials. As it stands, we have no trials, because we have no data regarding them.
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge Why aren't some of my comments showing??
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge "I'm glad you admit science doesn't work in absolutes, some people don't seem to argue as if this is true"
I have a degree in chemistry. The most basic thing taught in science is that no idea is irreversible.
"it is highly probably God exists"
I can't disprove that ANY god exists, but I can show the Biblical account to be wrong with respect to both scientific evidence AND itself! Also, scientific evidence shows a deity to be unnecessary, so any god would be pointless.
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@MagicActor1987 (I was mainly having fun with the second part of my post)
"scientific evidence shows a deity to be unnecessary", unnecessary for what? if Sin is real then it actually is necessary for God to redeem us from this Sin.
Is Love something more than chemicals Or do we actually have free-will? why would people who believe Love is no more and we done have free-will naturally live as if this falsehood was true. should they not live by this truth, be living examples of that truth?
lis10truth2noledge 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge I suppose I was a little vague in meaning. God is unnecessary as an explanation for natural phenomena.
Love has been shown to be the release of specific chemicals in a specific area of the brain. You can do an MRI on someone and show them a picture of someone and know whether or not they love the person.
We don't know if fate or free will is the way of the world. That goes deeper than just chemicals of love, as the two are rooted in external factors, not just brain chem.
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@MagicActor1987 "yup but do you believe love is more than this as well?
also which external factors is free-will/fate rooted in?
do you believe in cause and effect?
lis10truth2noledge 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge Technically speaking, no, love isn't more than this. It's a great feeling, and one that people try to experience often. Kinda like how a painting is really no more than a few strokes of a brush, but whittling it down to that doesn't make the painting any less beautiful.
By "rooted in external factors," I mean that it's all about whether choices outside/external to our bodies are, indeed, our own.
As far as witnessed, there is no known break of C/E when time is a factor.
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@MagicActor1987 "Technically speaking, no, love isn't more than this." what do you mean technically speaking, is it some how more than this when we aren't speaking technically?
what choices outside/external to our bodies are you referring to?
and why do you add when time is a factor to no known break of C&E?
lis10truth2noledge 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge I say "technically speaking" because I'm used to creationists assuming that I have no value for things. If I just said, "Yes, that's all love is," I'd be attacked for my atheism supposedly draining me of morals or values.
You pick up a pen. Was that fate or free will? It, unlike love, involves a conscious choice.
And I add "when time is a factor" because there's no C/E without time! For something to happen as a result of something else, you need time.
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@MagicActor1987 "You pick up a pen. Was that fate or free will? It, unlike love, involves a conscious choice."
your use of the word choice implies you believe in free will, yet I'll note you didn't actually answer the question, just replied with the same question. so if you say picking up a pen involves a conscious choice, could we not consciously choose to love (act in a loving way) therefore creating the chemical release in our brains?
is there such a place where time isn't a factor?
lis10truth2noledge 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge "could we not consciously choose to love (act in a loving way) therefore creating the chemical release in our brains?" -- Acting in a loving way is not the same as being in love. Being in love triggers certain chemicals to be released when presented with stimulus of the romantic partner (such as a picture).
"is there such a place where time isn't a factor?" -- Outside the universe. "Before" (for lack of a better word) the Big Bang. Time came about from the BB.
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@MagicActor1987 "Being in love triggers certain chemicals to be released when presented with stimulus ..."
how did that person come to release those chemicals when presented with such stimulus, or do you simply fall in love and fall out of it? is it not by our choices that we are releasing these chemicals, I mean if you didn't work on the relationship surely that chemical release would eventually stop.
does it have a scale to say how in love you are?
who defined love as this?
lis10truth2noledge 10 months ago
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@lis10truth2noledge "do you...fall in...and...out of it?" - I don't know, I'm not a researcher in that field. I only know the documentary I saw.
"if you didn't work on the relationship...that chemical release would...stop." -- Ah, but is attraction even a choice? That can come down to such things as smell and ovulation and stuff. Interesting topic.
"does it have a scale to say how in love you are?" -- Does ANYONE have a reliable scale for this?
"who defined love as this?" -- I did.
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge As far as why we haven't found life there, it's because we can't check. We have found literally hundreds of planets that could support life, and they're estimated to be in the millions, but we have no way to check whether or not there IS life, yet. No telescope is powerful enough to pick up an individual being on a planet so far away and through the atmosphere. If they have technology, we don't know what kind they would have in order to contact them.
MagicActor1987 10 months ago
@iFreeThinker u must get very little pussy or something
Unknnnnn 10 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge Gravity is proven by the scientific method and has been repeated for over 400 years. Why would we wake up doubting that? Chance is one option, God may be another option, as well as many other explanations that we cannot claim to be true or prove. String field theory can give a third explanation. "We don't know" is the only certain answer when talking about the origin of the universe and the unlikely/nearly impossible reasons for the physics involved.
therabbithole999 4 months ago
I always liked this quote: "A single pair of hands at work is worth more than a billion clasped in prayer"
halfawake454 11 months ago
so you think you can use scientific method to disprove the exceptions of scientific method. And then if you have any evidence (such as hospital's ex-rays of before and after) you simply dismiss it as an unknown exception due to some scientific reality we have not yet learnt of. Yet your scientific method starts failing when we view things in detail, such as quantum mechanics or how on a big enough scale we can't understand how universe's correspond.
Prayer, Love&God don't fit any formulae
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge You obviously don't know what the scientific method is if you say it fails on quantum mechanics. Its not a theory its a methodology that has never failed in anything. There are no exceptions to the scientific method, because there is no evidence that anything happens without naturalistic causes. Things that can be presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker
Sorry I worded pretty much all that really badly. can you use scientific method to prove scientific method always works? stating there is evidence of prayer working
I was saying you can't keep using Scientific method for growth in knowledge, in areas such as quantum mechanics. At a quantum mechanics we see that observation influences occurrence. therefore application of Scientific method in experiments (which you are obviously observing something) could be influencing the outcome.
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge The scientific method cannot fail, its only a methodology and it has nothing to do with the types of experiment you must conduct it simply states you run an experiment. You misunderstand the process of the study of particle physics. Yes, if you try to examine an electron or any other particle of subatomic matter directly you will force its probability cloud to collapse, but when scientists study these particles they use detectors that pick up the aftereffects of...
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker
it gets you to only believe what is provable by experiment. perhaps there is something that exists that will not allow itself to be scrutinized under experiment.. and what evidence do you have that prayer fails 100% of the time? and that only the human mind gives it credence, what if there were only meant to be a limited number of answered prayers a day, or for what ever reason they never worked in relation to something measurable.
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge I can tell you how you can believe all that. By using the reasoning skills of someone from the 13th century. There is absolutely no evidence for anything supernatural, and if you apply any type of logic to the notions put forth by Christianity or Islam, you will realize immediately how fallacious the whole idea of a supernatural deity in our universe is. Its the same thing as to why only mostly dumb rednecks are ghosthunters, because intelligent people know better.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker
Thanks for the insult its real helpful, I just don't only only believe what I'm told by a certain strain of media. I also approach things from a more open point of view than what ever x and y scientist or atheist leader says is truth, how much research have you done into arguments against what you believe?
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@iFreeThinker
have you looked into evidence like the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano,
Just go check out the facts for yourself on those miracles and trust the evidence of your own eyes. It takes someone with a very open mind or a determination to prove the miracles false to go check them out. I think such people are much rarer than is commonly believed. Certainly, most atheists I know would not investigate but just argue from what they already know to be true
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge I don't have evidence that prayer fails 100 percent of the time, I dismissed the claim that prayer works at all because the notion is presented without evidence. Therefore, I dismiss it 100 percent without evidence of my own. Its not my job to prove prayer doesn't work, or that there are things that don't present evidence(there aren't) because these ideas are presented in the absence of it and I can dismiss them just as easily.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
How bout you look through hospital records for documentated "impossible" miraculous cures. Atheists are convinced a priori, by argument, that miracles can't happen. The problem is if you believe all things in the universe are subject to natural physical laws - then miracles are defined out of existence. Check out the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Medjugorge, St Padre Pio. They are labeled as unknown or even unreal and swept away simply because your worldview can't contain them.
lis10truth2noledge 11 months ago
@lis10truth2noledge ...the predicted processes that quantum mechanics and the standard model predict. I will admit it is in a way contrived, but it is currently the best prediction for the subatomic world we have and if it is a good predictor, it is most likely accurate. Even if the scientific method failed horribly in quantum mechanics, that doesn't change the fact that prayer fails with 100 percent accuracy, and only the human mind gives it any credence at all.
iFreeThinker 11 months ago
When I was 15 my mum had cancer and I remembered this claim from school scripture class - so I prayed to God that she would live (not exactly a petty and selfish request, is it?!)
Guess what?! ..... BEEERP! Request denied!
This proved to me the bible was plain wrong. 23 years later - still haven't found a religious apologist who can answer why the Bible failed to deliver on that one!
Ive also seen evidence that prayer V no prayer have EXACTLY the same statistical outcomes as random selection.
BiggerThinking1 1 year ago
Yes but he running with the President of the US and you are making stupid video's. Probably sitting on the couch eaching doritos
dovedoe1 1 year ago
@dovedoe1 Kinda think he'd prefer to have his legs than go jogging with the Prez.....
supersmellyman 1 year ago
Hell !! LOL. Thats religulous.
MrJohnnyrace 1 year ago
It doesn't work at all. This has been scientifically tested several times but christians and others who believe in prayer just ignore the facts. I fact, the more I experience people of "faith" the more I'm convinced that that's the definition of what they are, willful ignorance of fact.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
I find that praying in earshot of the firm believers, the wish more often comes to being :P
kakureru 1 year ago
the devil is in the midst. your spreading the works of the devil. your of your father the devil and hell shall be your everlasting home.
tryme2pls 1 year ago
@tryme2pls why did god create satan? D:
OmfgItsHenu 1 year ago
@OmfgItsHenu
Shit and giggles mostly. "I created mankind, now what? That's it! I'll make some creature whose sole purpose is to corrupt humans, make it REALLY good at his job, and THEN blame humans if they get corrupted! This whole 'creation' thing is so fun!"
1337soldiahs 1 year ago
@1337soldiahs god is either an asshole, a retard or imaginary n_n
OmfgItsHenu 1 year ago
@OmfgItsHenu
well, if there's a god, I really, REALLY hope he (she? it?) is not as christians, jews or muslims portray him.
Because he'd totally be a huge unsufferable dick.
1337soldiahs 1 year ago
@OmfgItsHenu to scare people into believeing in him.
Stickey1 1 year ago
@tryme2pls Fairytales.
gerryjtierney 1 year ago
@tryme2pls Verily, I say unto thee...thou art a nut-job..
Zalvation3 1 year ago
@tryme2pls and your bat shit crazy :/ if good men should be condemned to hell becuase they dont believe in -god- then i dont envy you for what awaits in your after life friend.
Stickey1 1 year ago
@tryme2pls stfu
MasterXxploder 1 year ago
Didn't you hear? The god of the desert specializes only in internal diseases. He's not into psychiatry either, which explains why most of his followers are in their current state.
henkvanderlaak 1 year ago
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index23432 1 year ago
Impressive mental wrangilng here. So whos sect of christianity is best for being worshipped to? Id like a pair of shiny sparklers, so which christians have those? preferably involving baptism?
Chardansearavitriol 1 year ago
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I dare someone to try and refute my argument AGAINST prayer
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I cover the mass majority of how prayer works in a christian's mind.
I dare someone to try and debate me.
bluewatermonster 1 year ago
the problem with your prayer is that you really don't believe. i'm not trying to bash your beliefs because science definitely has proved more true than religion, but i also believe there is some sort of higher power.
xTheEmilyx 1 year ago
@xTheEmilyx "the problem" with prayer is, that it doesn't matter if you believe or not, the chance for the prayer to "be answered"/"come true by accident" are identical.
So either your god masks the efficency of prayer as accidental or there is no prayer answered at all, and it is accidental.
Your choice what you want to believe. I stick with the scientific approach. Just makes more sense...
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graywackeknifebdr 1 year ago
This video excellent. Should be played on every church worldwide, to go and open up some minds...
x2thay 1 year ago
sigh all the comments are replies to other comments, meaning that the same stupid argument is going on as on every one of these videos -_-
l4mp13 1 year ago
@l4mp13 Sigh....... That's what people do.... talk to each other about ideas...... sometimes they learn and grow.......Sigh.
If you're so put out why do you:
A. Read the comments if you already intend to be disappointed by them?
B. Criticize people for commenting on comments by commenting on comments?
SIGH.....
Circular stupidity is SO boring...... sigh.....
moopism 1 year ago
@moopism Which would actually be true if people weren't retarded and found it impossible to even consider the other ones idea.
don't act like they are philosophers or even "prophets" they are ignorance vs ignorance,
arguing without goal, trolls trolling trolls
pointless talk to make their selves feel better NOT to find out the truth
it's like politics, NOBODY is ever gonna agree with another just because they don't want to "lose"
l4mp13 1 year ago
@l4mp13 Wow, so if there's no point, why are you here? You just illustrated what i was saying perfectly.
You're SO much smarter than all these folks arguing here, but you're arguing here.
That's a huge bit of BS inconsistency, that you'd bother to engage in an argument that has no payoff or resolution....
Me thinks you doth protest too much.
moopism 1 year ago
@moopism yeah prove my point THAT WILL WORK
l4mp13 1 year ago
@l4mp13 and as long as I get hitting the ball back to you, you feel compelled to hit it back....
I seem to remember something about the pot calling the kettle names....
moopism 1 year ago
@moopism cool story bro
l4mp13 1 year ago
@l4mp13 See? It's like an OCD...
moopism 1 year ago
@moopism riveting tale chap
l4mp13 1 year ago
@l4mp13 I hear there's a 12 step program.... OnandonAnon...
moopism 1 year ago
@moopism interesting chronicle sibling
l4mp13 1 year ago
@l4mp13 care to go to a meeting?
moopism 1 year ago
@moopism glorious exposition comrade
l4mp13 1 year ago
Do you know the amazing thing? God still loves you and still invites you to be his child. God is not offended by what you did because we all have done worse to him, yet he responds with love and as Daniel 9:9 states, "but the lord our god is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him"
I pray that god blesses you today.
kregular8 1 year ago
And in case someone says, well your prayers didn't work because you can't test God, I would draw your attention to this biblical passage:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 - Test everything. Hold on to the good
warren52nz 1 year ago
sarcasm can be a dangerous power. Be careful. Your logic is not that of the universe's. To moc is to reject. Be careful what you say.
Thal shal not tempt thy lord. Does sarcasm bring you deeper happines?
Does making people doubt create a better life for you?
Read the book "hidden messages in water" scientific proof of the power of prayer and word. just some food for thought
flaquitoyork 1 year ago
the parents and family then in this situation is it a blessing that God should give a son or is it a blessing that He should not give a son.
We sometimes ask God for money and wealth but God does not lent us the wealth that we wish for but this does not mean that God has not granted our prayers. But on the other hand if God gives us wealth and money and we get killed for that money or we forget God because of that money, then in this situation is wealth a blessing or the absence of it?
1tabligh 1 year ago
@1tabligh I don't think this is the right place to give a sermon.
The question still remains; Why in ALL of the history of humanity is there not one single report of an amputee being healed? What are we to make of that simple fact?
a) Not one single amputee who EVER lived was worthy of God's grace
or
b) God does NOT perform miracles
I'll leave it to you to decide which makes more sense.
They've already proven that prayer makes no difference to any outcome.
warren52nz 1 year ago