Sometimes I listen to Bach's Chaconne, played by anyone, and I can't help but feel this is such a masterful composition that ALL players fall short in their performance.
particularly the quad/trip/double stops. Too harsh, too soft, Too uneven.
@luisramos19 Supposedly Bach wrote this after returning home from overseas to find that his first wife had died while he was away. Keep this in mind then listen to 4:55 again.
Its like eating a good steak, each bite tasts a little differant than the other but still wonderful, You are speaking about the worlds greatest tallents, both young and old living and dead, none is better than the other , they just taste a little diferant but Alll wonderfull still. They all paint a wonderfull picture with their interpretation, that is the mark of a true artist !!
@autoteck1 Very well spoken. Thank God for the marvelous variety of interpretation and stye. Something for everyone. It's in too many peoples nature to impose their personal tastes upon everyone. That's what communism and all other "isms" are all about. I'll take the free market anytime. I prefer to do my own thinkng.
If you were there in Munich when he turned the Bach world sideways.
Anyone who really was there cannot imagine a more highly descended
performance than that of this work of art in performance than this masterful creation.He gave a glimpe of heaven.Yet the Munich performance turned the critics and we in the audience to hear this Chaconne as a sophisticated melody made simple in this glorious violinsts hands.It is about music.Its like tapping into Bach's Machination.He was a god! Not bad!!
I'm fond of Menuhin, but the praise I see here for OTHER violinists makes me wonder: what sort of person feels the need to seek out a Menuhin performance just to say "their" favourite player is better - or the best? It's like, say, a Glenn Gould fan seeking an Andras Schiff video just to proclaim Gould's superiority. People, there IS room for everyone! Sheesh!
excellent ! But Itzhak Perlmann's interpretation is even better - at least a different one, worth to listen. Of course, those who love this interpretation, may be disapointed, because it's different. That's normal at the beginning.
I personally find the arrangementof Bach's Chaccone for classical guitar much more enjoyable to listen to than on on the violin. It is much richer and soulfull. Dave Russel rocks this piece.
@Artemas That is the point, the music world was really elctrified by his performance of it because it shows the eternal ache and inner struggle of the piece. If a listener is only interested in making pieces 'beautiful" then he/she is missing the whole point of the endeavor.
Unfortunately...when one is technically excellent like Jascha...he gets bashed...he cannot be musical...there is a germ of truth in this...if things come too easy...this can work against one...
For me Jascha was great...Menuhin had the edge as a musician...a technical giant in his early years...
Some people likes to bash Menuhin as a inaccurate and sloppy violinist, but in his sloppyness lies also his strength to transcend the stiffness of so called perfect playing.
i love the warmth in 5.30 onward. he really understands how to grow this piece slowly softly and consistently into the climax without overdoing it in the climax. However, i also like a dramatic hefeitz climax with extreme intensity and bite separating the notes distinctly. perlman's climax but without the watering down of the stops. frankly his overall interpretation i don't like very much. but htis here is quite nice.
I hate to say anything negative about someone as great as Heifetz, but I don't think his personality matched this piece, to say it somewhat diplomatically. I like Perlman's rendition most, but this one's also excellent. Look for Uto Ughi's version if you like to hear more chaconne, it's very different but absolutely great.
This version is great. There are many on the net to browse, but this is one of my favorites so far. Shows us a young and crisp Menuhin, completely absorbed by Bach. As it should be.
I am not very fond of Menuhin, at least in his last years. But this is way different. There is a lot of passion in his reading. I love it, along with the Milstein's.
Btw if it were in good sound I colud scream. If I had been there when sir Yehudi played this I could have soiled my underwear -_-
Love Menuhin. But the fact is that Bach´s music was so universal and powerful that you can´t really be sure of what he had in mind. More than in any other composer, players can guess pretty little of what Bach wanted to say. I believe some of his greatest pieces(such as this one) are pure ecstasy comming from the greatness of God, and that´s something very little people in history have achieved, and a world to interpret.
Can anyone suggest a decent violin for an adult beginner. I played when I was younger but would have no idea now what to start with. And, what do they mean by a 'bright' sounding violin...?
a really good violin to start out with is an Eastman because of their decent price and relatively good sound. and when people use the term "bright" they are referring to how clear the tone is. too bright and it becomes harsh and screechy. when people use the term "warm" they are referring to how deep the tone is. too warm and the tone becomes muggy.
If you have a bit of cash tho, and you aren't a complete beginner, look up the highest model of the "Jay Haide" violins. It is a powerful violin, and also has incredible sweetness.
Bright means that the higher ends stand out more and the lower ends are not as powerful.
That's not exactly "it", but it's the best way of describing it.
You can hear also to Enescu which is even more exhausting because he is not more playing the violin in the common sens, but realy crying with and on the violing with and through the music of Bach.
I don't know a lot about violin but this is my favorite interpretation of this piece. Others may play it more maturely but none is as saturated with emotions, not just one prevailing feeling but multiple, restless waves of emotions. It is even exhausting to listen to.
I'd recommend stark Evah Pirazzi if you want it even brighter and weich if you're willing to see if you can get it to produce a darker sound. The latter is a bit... risky. Sometimes, from what I've seen, it can make instruments sound like utter crap. I've also seen... or rather heard cases where using weich strings with a bright instrument makes it so you can play light or dark.
Celebrated Indian classical voilinists are equal if not better. Try M S Gopala Krishnan, Kunnakkudi Vaidyanathan, Lalgudi Jayaraman, T N Krishnan and so many others. Besides Indian Classical music has a 'Manodharma' portion which is the extempore music comopsition from the artist and not from the set music by a composer. So many of Indian artists are masters at this and their genius is reflected in this.
sigh......... listen to the heifetz version of bach sonata number 1 adagio. ust because heifetz was flawless and played without an expression does not mean that he played with no emotion. that being said menuhins chaccone is probly my favorite one
I cannot undertand why Menuhin was so very little known in the US. His death passed compeltely unnoticed. In exchange, the anchor of Bay Area Chan. 2 was wxtolled on his retiring and the disguting gaze of Paris Hilton watches me from every Safeway magazine stand (I am not gay and love women, but not such women)..
Bach's music has that rare quality of being mathematically balanced at at the same time highly emotional and I think that's why it's so powerful and has stood the test of time.
his natural sound shakes my heart.i dont now what is in his sound i cant find in anyone.his sound is so honest and i think this is the mystery of his sound
It doesn't matter who is perfect or not. Menuhin's playing "moves" me in a way no others can, a kind of spiritual recognition that goes straight to the heart and soul of the listener. That's my opinion.
Just to offer a different perspective, I think that Heifetz's playing evokes my emotions more than all other violinists exactly because of his technique. This is something 99% of people don't understand. Emotion doesn't just come out of thin air, it needs to be created by the violinist (not just felt by him/her). Menuhin was arguably more talented than Heifetz, which lends to your impression, but he did not have the same level of musical perfection (NOT rote technique) that Heifetz had.
Depend on the piece, but in general, I like Menuhin because his sounds of violin reaches my hear and lift me so well. Heifetz might be better in skills, but especially Menuhin's Hungarian Dance #4, Ave Maria, and this piece move my heart. Heifetz might be a better violinist for you, and he is one of the greatist; but I still cry's Menuhin's violin. When I listen to Heifetz, I don't cry at all. Maybe, he is too perfect. Music is an art form, so it up to you who is your favorite.
You'd be surprised. Heifetz is very far from perfect and there are mistakes all over pretty much every one of his recordings. Everywhere from scratches to out of tune notes to inconsistencies in tone. There is this perception that Heifetz is "too perfect to be human," which biases our perception of his playing. Once a violinist becomes labeled a "machine," we stop listening for emotions. On a side note, see what you think of Heifetz playing the 2nd movement of Mozart and see how you like it.
Thank you for your message. I didn't know he makes mitaks. I thought he was so perfect. I like Perlman, everthing he plays. After lisning to Perlman's CD, Beethoven's violin concert, I listened to Hieifetz. He makes everything so easy (of course, many hours of rehearsals every day for many years). His violin was so smooth. He is the best, I think. I liked he had an electric car (I saw the picture) way back in his time. He is amazing humanbeing in many ways. I respect him.
One more thing here. Menuhin recorded this when he was 17 and his playing deteriorated dramatically over the years. The fact that a 17-year-old violinist can output this kind of genius is a testament to Menuhin's Mozart-esque talent in the inborn sense. Thus, the emotions you hear are more raw and initially compelling than that of Heifetz's. Dig deeper and you may hear the incredible depth of Heifetz's refined command of emotion and find, as I have, the relatively unrefined playing of Menuhin's.
Aimson I couldn't agree with you more. I have to smile when I hear people refer to Heifetz as perfect-though indeed he was most excellent. His reputation of perfection was a creation of his Hollywood press agent and indeed, he had a lot to live up to as it created an expectation. Violinists know it just isn't possible, though one could never question his ability. I tend to favor Milstein, Kogan and I have a thing for Francescatti. Respect for Heifetz but he doesn't burn me down.
you cant be serious that you think that heifetzs drive and great playing came from high expectation.. of course it would be absurd to believe his skill came from his teacher leapold auer. no that cant be it
@icyplanetnhc Heifetz's playing is more romantic and emotional that Menuhin's generally. Heifetz fooled many critics and still some people today because his playing is technically more accomplished than anybody else's playing. Some critics described his playing as 'cold'. It is actually extremely hot!
It's wonderful! I don't know who is the best violinist; it is hard to say who is the great, but for sure, he is a very talented, brilliant, and wonderful violinist!!
Bach rules. Yehudi rules. I think I like the older violinists of the past better becuause they were not influenced by other players. I mean they all had their own unique sound.
That, and Yehudi's teacher was Enesco, whom Menuhin described as, "the greatest genius since Mozart." I don't think that Menuhin ever surpassed his teacher as a musician, though he was a better violinist and, unfortunately, more famous. However, you might also describe Menuhin as the most talented violinist since Mozart, which is why he could record such incredible Bach at only 17 years of age!
Wow. You must be pretty old to have personally heard both Paganini AND Mozart. Anyone can quote history books and hearsay rumors or virtuosity but your personal experience trumps all that.
Good job. You spun what I actually said into something I didn't mean. As a disambiguation, the second sentence was a reference to Menuhin's playing. The first sentence was merely what I've heard.
You seem to make blanket judgments without backing your arguments with technical details. Is that due to a lack of knowledge? Or do you think we are not capable of understanding? My guess ... you just want attention, so I am being nice and giving it to you.
It's too easy to say that Menuhin was the best. heifitz and Milstein and kreisler all had interesting quirks. Even todays crop having something about them like Vengerov and Perlman. But fair enough he was pretty awesome.
Please, Perlman and Hahn are second rate violinists, just as Szeryng was - notice how LITTLE time was given to him in the Art of Violin? Almost none. I have made my critique of Szeryng quite plain. I have well thought out arguments and compelling ideas to support my opinion. I don't mind you disagreeing but if you come to my house and insult my ideas to pick a fight, you will be retaliated against. If you aren't picking a fight, please enjoy the music and I wish you the best!
I believe that anyone who before posting critical comments about these artists' recordings must remember that these artists are true legends and greatest artists of the century ever no matter what! I wonder how well or even famous (in terms of playing the violin) you are?
Listen mate, what are u speaking about? It is recording of 1935, so what tune u speak about? Put any vinyl of violin that old and it will be like this. While in my opinion Menuhin has greatest interpretation of this masterpiece. Not comparable to Heifitz or Milstein, even on such old recording. Of course it is only my opinion
somehow it doesn't sound as good as i have hoped for it to be. The starting was quite bad in fact but towards the middle it was ok i guess. i think he needs to put more feeling into it, it sounded a little like he was sightreading the piece.
I don't think this recording is quite as good as Heifetz or Milstein's because it lacks the emotional depth. Whenever I think this, I just realize that Menuhin was only 17 years old in this recording. It takes a whole lot more than talent to truly win me over.
This version is definitely best but the only thing I liked better about Heifitz around 2:56 he was faster. I dunno it sounds better faster but Menuhin plays it better especially at 3:10. I'm torn.
good call i like Menuhin's part there too. the e string sounds a little shrill but that i blame that on the recording. 3:11 is so indescribably emotional. i like Heifetz's at :56 a little more though (the part at :56 in this video)
I've posted another performance of the Bach partita in d minor, performed by Perlman. It's a recording from the '70s, I think. A really rare one. Check it out!
That's cool, I just listened to the Perlman performances for the first time today. I was in the car with company and didn't get to hear it properly but so far I am impressed. And this is from somebody who doesn't really like Perlman all that much.
the chaconne is difficult but at least the route through the difficulty for a musician anyway is incredibly clear. its not just randomly impossible like pagonini or kreisler.
It is so AMAZINGLY difficult to playing any Bach in tune!! Back then they had nothing to correct little faults, so this is extremely well-played, in my opinion. I posted a video of myself playing the Bach g minor fugue and then critiquing myself afterwards, so you violin enthusiasts might find it very interesting and should come leave me comments and suggestions- I'd appreciate it!
intonation is bad but interpretation is nice... f was way sharp unfortunately, but still hes very good. nice pace. Nice sound quality considering its 70 years ago lol!
ca me rend ouf de voir qu il y en a qui critique!! ils n ont qu a faire deja le dixieme et apres ont peut voir au dela des notes et aussi de ce putain de "style" dont tout le monde parle mais que personne ne sait definir.. plus personne ne joue avec un tel coeur aujourd hui..
C'est vraiment commun sur youtube de voir des amateurs faire des critiques sévères à l'endroit des violonistes virtuose mondialement célèbre et acclamées. Personnellement, ça me fait rire.
It's very common on youtube to see some newbie do severe crticism on the playing of the greatest virtuoso of musical history.
Hey, has anyone heard the Maurice Sklar version of this? That is a lively one also....I don't have it to post, though, I'm afraid. Anyone else have it?
For god sake. There is space for any kind of good music. Improvisation is good just like playing what is written is equally good. Just have to do it right like menuhin certainly does. With the soul.
Menuhin would agree that the interpreter is less than the composer/improviser. In fact, he accounted his humility to always knowing his place as second to the true creators of music.
Yes I know that. I admire profoundly Menuhin not only as a musician but also as a man and one of the things I think are most inspiring in him is his humbleness. However I disagree with him on that point though. You can not reduce the interpreter to a machine to "simply" execute the technical points described in a sheet or the sequence of notes. . A outstanding interpreter can make a mediocre composition in a good one just as a mediocre interpreter can reduce a piece to nothing .
CORRECT but in the Key of d minor the mediant is f in a normal diatonic scale. if the subtonic is an accidental f sharp it acts as a leading tone plus the parralell major is f major. do you think bach did'nt think that puting an f sharp into his d minor music wouldn't act as a leading tone! so it is a leading to after all! WORD
Quoted from grampamcbill (without the offensive comments to you): "His high F sharp helps the passages move along it is the leading tone after all!" Actually, the Chaconne is written in D minor, which makes c-sharp the leading tone. Also, the F-natural note in that chord should actually be played slightly flat, not sharp as Menuhin does. Play a d-minor scale and you will see what I mean.
I had the incredible privilege to be a section musician when Menuhin played the Brahms in Dayton in the 70's. eyes closed the entire performance,his music came from the soul. As an encore he played the Preludio from Partita 3..broke a string , grabbed the concertmasters violin and stunned the audience with the sound he produced from a dime store fiddle. As for the Chaconne..no words can describe Bach's genious..Heifetz, Milstein, Menuhin..each interpretation brings us a new understanding
How I wish I had the privilege you had! :) I'm still grateful for the fact that he existed in an era where his sound -and in a way his soul- can be kept for ages and generations to come.
Yeah, Menuhin is considered to be one of the greatest child prodigies this century. Such incredible natural talent is hardly ever seen in a 17-year old person or any person at all.
Sometimes I listen to Bach's Chaconne, played by anyone, and I can't help but feel this is such a masterful composition that ALL players fall short in their performance.
particularly the quad/trip/double stops. Too harsh, too soft, Too uneven.
grrrr17 2 weeks ago
@D0TeK I dont get it whats at 4:55?
luisramos19 2 months ago
@luisramos19
That whole passage is divine (4:55 to about 6:40)
ahpedrami 1 month ago
@luisramos19 Supposedly Bach wrote this after returning home from overseas to find that his first wife had died while he was away. Keep this in mind then listen to 4:55 again.
ThereforeIThinkIAm 1 week ago
@ThereforeIThinkIAm ohhhh I see now, wow it does sound gorgeous for a reason :)
luisramos19 1 week ago
4:55 .......oO...
D0TeK 4 months ago
GRANDE MENUHIN; QUEM SABE EM OUTRA ENCARNAÇÃO PODEREI CHEGAR PERTO DESTE GRANDE VIOLINISTA.
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MegaSamuelfernandes 6 months ago
@4:55 OH MY.
ahpedrami 6 months ago
"Wenn ich die Bach Chaconne einmal perfekt spiele, wird Friede auf Erden sein!" - Yehudi Menuhin
... wo ist der Friede?
Gwinfarid 7 months ago
Its like eating a good steak, each bite tasts a little differant than the other but still wonderful, You are speaking about the worlds greatest tallents, both young and old living and dead, none is better than the other , they just taste a little diferant but Alll wonderfull still. They all paint a wonderfull picture with their interpretation, that is the mark of a true artist !!
autoteck1 8 months ago
@autoteck1 Very well spoken. Thank God for the marvelous variety of interpretation and stye. Something for everyone. It's in too many peoples nature to impose their personal tastes upon everyone. That's what communism and all other "isms" are all about. I'll take the free market anytime. I prefer to do my own thinkng.
supercalifragelistik 1 month ago
Le chant des hommes
qu'on opprime
Le chant des hommes
libres
Tous les chants du monde
violette1ify 8 months ago
If you were there in Munich when he turned the Bach world sideways.
Anyone who really was there cannot imagine a more highly descended
performance than that of this work of art in performance than this masterful creation.He gave a glimpe of heaven.Yet the Munich performance turned the critics and we in the audience to hear this Chaconne as a sophisticated melody made simple in this glorious violinsts hands.It is about music.Its like tapping into Bach's Machination.He was a god! Not bad!!
TheSpongebob127 9 months ago
I'm fond of Menuhin, but the praise I see here for OTHER violinists makes me wonder: what sort of person feels the need to seek out a Menuhin performance just to say "their" favourite player is better - or the best? It's like, say, a Glenn Gould fan seeking an Andras Schiff video just to proclaim Gould's superiority. People, there IS room for everyone! Sheesh!
TheStockwell 9 months ago 11
it´s sooooooooo gooooood
Nabilicious90 10 months ago
excellent ! But Itzhak Perlmann's interpretation is even better - at least a different one, worth to listen. Of course, those who love this interpretation, may be disapointed, because it's different. That's normal at the beginning.
MrPatriceLumumba 11 months ago
issac stern anyone?
jambowowow 1 year ago
Excellent.
LEOPARDTWO 1 year ago
Menuhin speaks the language.
manafumi 1 year ago 2
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mrwasbesonders 1 year ago
De todas formas compararlo con Sarah Chang o incluso con Hanh,es una broma...
paradoxicus 1 year ago
@paradoxicus pues eso es obvio, hay un abismo de diferencia entre la habilidad de Menuhin y la de Hanh.
Menuhin es simplemente superior
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@paradoxicus pues eso es obvio, hay un abismo de diferencia entre la habilidad de Menuhin y la de Hanh.
Menuhin es simplemente superior
lorsmen 1 year ago
Yehudi Menuhin,engrandeció la obra interpretativa al violín.
Efectivamente no cabe preguntarse por la posible perfección.
Tampoco,si Heifetz,si Stern,si...La grandeza y la sensibilidad artística cabe en muchas voces diferentes.
paradoxicus 1 year ago
I personally find the arrangementof Bach's Chaccone for classical guitar much more enjoyable to listen to than on on the violin. It is much richer and soulfull. Dave Russel rocks this piece.
melaniejsnow 1 year ago
I cannot stand this version of it. Itzhak, Heifetz and Hahn are just superior for this piece. It actually sounds painful.
Artemas 1 year ago
@Artemas - Julia Fischer is sensational playing the Ciaconna. Top of my list.
scullysuzanne 1 year ago
@Artemas That is the point, the music world was really elctrified by his performance of it because it shows the eternal ache and inner struggle of the piece. If a listener is only interested in making pieces 'beautiful" then he/she is missing the whole point of the endeavor.
theropodia 7 months ago
Beyond words
qkayaman 1 year ago
aimson you have posted some great pieces by superlative violinists
this is one of the best
menuhin was magnificent both as a violinist and an individual
themusicdr 1 year ago
The microphone captured Menuhin at the height of his powers here; many thanks for sharing this marvelous performnace, so musical and elegant.
billyguns2 1 year ago
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Lux019 1 year ago
For me Heifetz was a kind of a "God" in all of the violinists, but in my opinion, Menhuin is an angel who came down from the heavens
HIMADESU223 1 year ago
the sound quality could be better...does anyone know if they did a retouching or rerecording?
brainwasher9876 1 year ago
It's to fast for my taste :D
Laaaaaalooooooo 1 year ago
Сколько любви он вкладывает в эту музыку! У него самый добрый в мире звук!
LaSashita23 1 year ago
Unfortunately...when one is technically excellent like Jascha...he gets bashed...he cannot be musical...there is a germ of truth in this...if things come too easy...this can work against one...
For me Jascha was great...Menuhin had the edge as a musician...a technical giant in his early years...
politicopol 1 year ago
Happy birthday Menuhin!
aabaker22 1 year ago
there is so much character in this
love this piece..
alshraphaelia 1 year ago
wow! pure unadulterated sound! untouched by digital manipulation
EnvyPerse 2 years ago
Some people likes to bash Menuhin as a inaccurate and sloppy violinist, but in his sloppyness lies also his strength to transcend the stiffness of so called perfect playing.
MrMegazuki 2 years ago 3
i love the warmth in 5.30 onward. he really understands how to grow this piece slowly softly and consistently into the climax without overdoing it in the climax. However, i also like a dramatic hefeitz climax with extreme intensity and bite separating the notes distinctly. perlman's climax but without the watering down of the stops. frankly his overall interpretation i don't like very much. but htis here is quite nice.
brother234 2 years ago 3
yes, Menuhin must be my favourite violinist ever.
MrMegazuki 2 years ago 3
Enescu plays it the best among the violonists I heard.
gaugin1903 2 years ago
Good, Just way to fast for me. I love the emotion in Perlmans rendition.
JackIntheBK 2 years ago
I used to like this very slow..
But, it seems to not really matter,when Menhuin plays it's impossible not to be swept off ones feet with admiration.
Violinistic 2 years ago 5
I agree that this is a little fast but he manage to get all of the emotion concentrated into it
txmusician13 2 years ago 2
way too fast for me.. but very dramatic that's good
mosadi85 2 years ago 2
I hate to say anything negative about someone as great as Heifetz, but I don't think his personality matched this piece, to say it somewhat diplomatically. I like Perlman's rendition most, but this one's also excellent. Look for Uto Ughi's version if you like to hear more chaconne, it's very different but absolutely great.
voxhunden 2 years ago 2
This version is great. There are many on the net to browse, but this is one of my favorites so far. Shows us a young and crisp Menuhin, completely absorbed by Bach. As it should be.
I am not very fond of Menuhin, at least in his last years. But this is way different. There is a lot of passion in his reading. I love it, along with the Milstein's.
Btw if it were in good sound I colud scream. If I had been there when sir Yehudi played this I could have soiled my underwear -_-
Awesome
DelfosMX 2 years ago
beautiful great music...by one of the greatest men of the 20th...century...
goroundit123 2 years ago 4
how peaceful and calming....
i love this music and some how i feel i love this gentleman mr yehudi menuhin
May his soul rest in peace
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too screechy...try a lute in your next life!!
Robinom 2 years ago
The recording is a bit harsh I think. The playing is monumental.
voxhunden 2 years ago 4
The recording is from 1935. I'd actually say this is good quality.
Milky111wtf 2 years ago
Dos maravillosos judios que interpretaron a Bach como nadie.
paradoxicus 2 years ago
Yehudi Menuhin con Itzhak Perlman,los dos mejores violinistas del siglo XX.
Con los medios tecnológicos actuales,perderían su auténtico sabor del verdadero magisterio y humanidad transcendente.
paradoxicus 2 years ago
Love Menuhin. But the fact is that Bach´s music was so universal and powerful that you can´t really be sure of what he had in mind. More than in any other composer, players can guess pretty little of what Bach wanted to say. I believe some of his greatest pieces(such as this one) are pure ecstasy comming from the greatness of God, and that´s something very little people in history have achieved, and a world to interpret.
javierleonenriquez 2 years ago 3
Can anyone suggest a decent violin for an adult beginner. I played when I was younger but would have no idea now what to start with. And, what do they mean by a 'bright' sounding violin...?
sandygirl50 2 years ago
Got a used one, french , from factore, u won't have problems to purchase one with 1k euro.
Bautisnemo 2 years ago
a really good violin to start out with is an Eastman because of their decent price and relatively good sound. and when people use the term "bright" they are referring to how clear the tone is. too bright and it becomes harsh and screechy. when people use the term "warm" they are referring to how deep the tone is. too warm and the tone becomes muggy.
1032974b 2 years ago
Thankyou. That was very helpful.
sandygirl50 2 years ago
I highly recommend trying out the Eastman 305.
It is a very nice violin.
I used to own one.
If you have a bit of cash tho, and you aren't a complete beginner, look up the highest model of the "Jay Haide" violins. It is a powerful violin, and also has incredible sweetness.
Bright means that the higher ends stand out more and the lower ends are not as powerful.
That's not exactly "it", but it's the best way of describing it.
sijas 2 years ago
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oldgoat5 2 years ago
Yehudi Menuhin was an exceptional violin player and an exceptional human being. He was a humanist in the full meaning of this word.
natacha45 2 years ago 2
I love his first recording of the 3rd fuga.
Really intense music.
Lux019 2 years ago
You can hear also to Enescu which is even more exhausting because he is not more playing the violin in the common sens, but realy crying with and on the violing with and through the music of Bach.
gaugin1903 2 years ago
I don't know a lot about violin but this is my favorite interpretation of this piece. Others may play it more maturely but none is as saturated with emotions, not just one prevailing feeling but multiple, restless waves of emotions. It is even exhausting to listen to.
jsuperposeg 2 years ago 3
Beautiful!! it´s beautiful....!!
OtnemRotecLud 2 years ago
Hi I have a bright sounding violin n I was looking at the larsen tzigane strings would u guys reccpmmend then for a bright sounding instrument
ericgable 2 years ago
I'd recommend stark Evah Pirazzi if you want it even brighter and weich if you're willing to see if you can get it to produce a darker sound. The latter is a bit... risky. Sometimes, from what I've seen, it can make instruments sound like utter crap. I've also seen... or rather heard cases where using weich strings with a bright instrument makes it so you can play light or dark.
cjh37878 2 years ago
for brighter violins, the Pirastro Obligatos are very good.
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the only performence of him that I like is brahms violin concerto,nothing else
fishazat 2 years ago
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Celebrated Indian classical voilinists are equal if not better. Try M S Gopala Krishnan, Kunnakkudi Vaidyanathan, Lalgudi Jayaraman, T N Krishnan and so many others. Besides Indian Classical music has a 'Manodharma' portion which is the extempore music comopsition from the artist and not from the set music by a composer. So many of Indian artists are masters at this and their genius is reflected in this.
RAMESHKOTIKALAPUDI 2 years ago
perfeito!
maeve2311 2 years ago 2
And the slide before the last part where he again plays the opening chords is really well done.
PlatypusofCalifornia 3 years ago 2
The way he manages to bring out certain voices while doing those chord runs amazes me, how does he do it.
Especially 6:04-6:30 that is notoriously difficult.
PlatypusofCalifornia 3 years ago 11
Holy crap that sounds like 3 voices! Very impressive. I love this piece with a passion.
RandomMocker 2 years ago 2
Could it be that in the background there's a fire burning? :D
i cannot answer who can play it " better " because i don't play violin but i listen both and i think finally menuhi play it better :D
turkishbalik50 3 years ago 2
かっこええｗｗ
バッハは良いよ！＾＾
renjyuurou7 3 years ago
sigh......... listen to the heifetz version of bach sonata number 1 adagio. ust because heifetz was flawless and played without an expression does not mean that he played with no emotion. that being said menuhins chaccone is probly my favorite one
festershred 3 years ago 5
bellessimo
stellacavalla 3 years ago
What a beautiful and emotional piece. I so love playing this piece!
CherryBlossomNL 3 years ago
Thanks for your postings Aimson, you have shared some great ones--enjoyed this very much!
OriginalMoonbeam 3 years ago
I cannot undertand why Menuhin was so very little known in the US. His death passed compeltely unnoticed. In exchange, the anchor of Bay Area Chan. 2 was wxtolled on his retiring and the disguting gaze of Paris Hilton watches me from every Safeway magazine stand (I am not gay and love women, but not such women)..
Curatica 3 years ago 2
very emotional i love bach to death!
dlfunky 3 years ago
Bach's music has that rare quality of being mathematically balanced at at the same time highly emotional and I think that's why it's so powerful and has stood the test of time.
alsetn 3 years ago 4
is it just the recording or are there lots of out of tune parts?
AytidaRed 3 years ago
It's the recording. Plus he was only around 15-25 at the time.
cjh37878 3 years ago
dicadr
Sublime!
Thank for posting.
dicadr 3 years ago
his natural sound shakes my heart.i dont now what is in his sound i cant find in anyone.his sound is so honest and i think this is the mystery of his sound
farzadvengerov 3 years ago 9
I agree with goldie
ianpaice91 3 years ago
It doesn't matter who is perfect or not. Menuhin's playing "moves" me in a way no others can, a kind of spiritual recognition that goes straight to the heart and soul of the listener. That's my opinion.
goldie0800 3 years ago 30
Heifetz's playing is the most technically perfect, but not the most emotional. Menuhin surpasses Heifetz in that category.
icyplanetnhc 3 years ago 12
Just to offer a different perspective, I think that Heifetz's playing evokes my emotions more than all other violinists exactly because of his technique. This is something 99% of people don't understand. Emotion doesn't just come out of thin air, it needs to be created by the violinist (not just felt by him/her). Menuhin was arguably more talented than Heifetz, which lends to your impression, but he did not have the same level of musical perfection (NOT rote technique) that Heifetz had.
aimson 3 years ago 6
Depend on the piece, but in general, I like Menuhin because his sounds of violin reaches my hear and lift me so well. Heifetz might be better in skills, but especially Menuhin's Hungarian Dance #4, Ave Maria, and this piece move my heart. Heifetz might be a better violinist for you, and he is one of the greatist; but I still cry's Menuhin's violin. When I listen to Heifetz, I don't cry at all. Maybe, he is too perfect. Music is an art form, so it up to you who is your favorite.
takamori400 3 years ago 8
You'd be surprised. Heifetz is very far from perfect and there are mistakes all over pretty much every one of his recordings. Everywhere from scratches to out of tune notes to inconsistencies in tone. There is this perception that Heifetz is "too perfect to be human," which biases our perception of his playing. Once a violinist becomes labeled a "machine," we stop listening for emotions. On a side note, see what you think of Heifetz playing the 2nd movement of Mozart and see how you like it.
aimson 3 years ago 5
Thank you for your message. I didn't know he makes mitaks. I thought he was so perfect. I like Perlman, everthing he plays. After lisning to Perlman's CD, Beethoven's violin concert, I listened to Hieifetz. He makes everything so easy (of course, many hours of rehearsals every day for many years). His violin was so smooth. He is the best, I think. I liked he had an electric car (I saw the picture) way back in his time. He is amazing humanbeing in many ways. I respect him.
takamori400 3 years ago
@aimson keeping it real.... superlike
elopez4024 1 year ago
One more thing here. Menuhin recorded this when he was 17 and his playing deteriorated dramatically over the years. The fact that a 17-year-old violinist can output this kind of genius is a testament to Menuhin's Mozart-esque talent in the inborn sense. Thus, the emotions you hear are more raw and initially compelling than that of Heifetz's. Dig deeper and you may hear the incredible depth of Heifetz's refined command of emotion and find, as I have, the relatively unrefined playing of Menuhin's.
aimson 3 years ago 4
why did his playing deteriorate dramtically? What happened?
Violinater 3 years ago
You think it did? I personally like his later recordings just as much
longtalker 3 years ago
My violin teacher told me that when he was in his early twenties he had a bit of a breakdown and physical problems from overwork and stress.
MerlinTheDraconic 3 years ago 2
Aimson I couldn't agree with you more. I have to smile when I hear people refer to Heifetz as perfect-though indeed he was most excellent. His reputation of perfection was a creation of his Hollywood press agent and indeed, he had a lot to live up to as it created an expectation. Violinists know it just isn't possible, though one could never question his ability. I tend to favor Milstein, Kogan and I have a thing for Francescatti. Respect for Heifetz but he doesn't burn me down.
OriginalMoonbeam 3 years ago 3
you cant be serious that you think that heifetzs drive and great playing came from high expectation.. of course it would be absurd to believe his skill came from his teacher leapold auer. no that cant be it
festershred 3 years ago 3
@icyplanetnhc Heifetz's playing is more romantic and emotional that Menuhin's generally. Heifetz fooled many critics and still some people today because his playing is technically more accomplished than anybody else's playing. Some critics described his playing as 'cold'. It is actually extremely hot!
hnk777 1 year ago
@icyplanetnhc
I have to disagree.
I suppose it's subjective, but Heifetz's playing moves me to tears.
I don't know what else you would want.
Jazzanswer 9 months ago
It's wonderful! I don't know who is the best violinist; it is hard to say who is the great, but for sure, he is a very talented, brilliant, and wonderful violinist!!
takamori400 3 years ago
this is the greatest interpretation of this piece. Eventhough the quality is so bad due to age of the recording.
smoshaver 3 years ago 2
Menuhin's chaconne is unparalleled, IMHO.
And I say that having listened to Milstein, Heiftz, all. He's less technically perfect, but makes up for it with soul.
Gilaziel 3 years ago 3
um...no.
Gilaziel 3 years ago
menuhin interpretando esta chacona d bach creo q lo prefiero a otros como a heifetz o a perlman
AmkoPsicotico 3 years ago
Superb! Bravo! TY.
paulostroff99 3 years ago
Bach rules. Yehudi rules. I think I like the older violinists of the past better becuause they were not influenced by other players. I mean they all had their own unique sound.
HEADBANGING69 3 years ago
That, and Yehudi's teacher was Enesco, whom Menuhin described as, "the greatest genius since Mozart." I don't think that Menuhin ever surpassed his teacher as a musician, though he was a better violinist and, unfortunately, more famous. However, you might also describe Menuhin as the most talented violinist since Mozart, which is why he could record such incredible Bach at only 17 years of age!
aimson 3 years ago
Paganini was the greatest violinist after Mozart. I far prefer the likes of Heifetz and Milstein, because of their playing style and long careers.
Zhou9 3 years ago
Wow. You must be pretty old to have personally heard both Paganini AND Mozart. Anyone can quote history books and hearsay rumors or virtuosity but your personal experience trumps all that.
xylenz 3 years ago
Good job. You spun what I actually said into something I didn't mean. As a disambiguation, the second sentence was a reference to Menuhin's playing. The first sentence was merely what I've heard.
Zhou9 3 years ago
Best interpretation
321pavel123 3 years ago
great! this was great!
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
You seem to make blanket judgments without backing your arguments with technical details. Is that due to a lack of knowledge? Or do you think we are not capable of understanding? My guess ... you just want attention, so I am being nice and giving it to you.
azeetaag 4 years ago
These are the most intense bariolages i have ever heard. bravo menuhin!
ScriptureBuster 4 years ago
It's too easy to say that Menuhin was the best. heifitz and Milstein and kreisler all had interesting quirks. Even todays crop having something about them like Vengerov and Perlman. But fair enough he was pretty awesome.
Bush76 4 years ago
Anybody know the name of this piece? is it called Chacone? and is by Bach?
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Rach2707 4 years ago
Right on both counts.
proggoth 3 years ago
Please, Perlman and Hahn are second rate violinists, just as Szeryng was - notice how LITTLE time was given to him in the Art of Violin? Almost none. I have made my critique of Szeryng quite plain. I have well thought out arguments and compelling ideas to support my opinion. I don't mind you disagreeing but if you come to my house and insult my ideas to pick a fight, you will be retaliated against. If you aren't picking a fight, please enjoy the music and I wish you the best!
aimson 4 years ago
I agree with drLuu. Who are you to criticise this Mehunin?!
BorgodOssi 4 years ago
I believe that anyone who before posting critical comments about these artists' recordings must remember that these artists are true legends and greatest artists of the century ever no matter what! I wonder how well or even famous (in terms of playing the violin) you are?
DrLuu1972 4 years ago
ya im affriad the very begining is flat, the rest is good.
still well played
Shigglock 4 years ago
Hehe, don't get me started on Szeryng. He has the worst interpretation in comparison.
aimson 4 years ago
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He's out of tune people! Are you deaf? Tone is shrill also... Jesus Christ!
u2bmetub 4 years ago
Listen mate, what are u speaking about? It is recording of 1935, so what tune u speak about? Put any vinyl of violin that old and it will be like this. While in my opinion Menuhin has greatest interpretation of this masterpiece. Not comparable to Heifitz or Milstein, even on such old recording. Of course it is only my opinion
rasya79 4 years ago 5
somehow it doesn't sound as good as i have hoped for it to be. The starting was quite bad in fact but towards the middle it was ok i guess. i think he needs to put more feeling into it, it sounded a little like he was sightreading the piece.
silentnocturne 4 years ago
I don't think this recording is quite as good as Heifetz or Milstein's because it lacks the emotional depth. Whenever I think this, I just realize that Menuhin was only 17 years old in this recording. It takes a whole lot more than talent to truly win me over.
aimson 4 years ago
This version is definitely best but the only thing I liked better about Heifitz around 2:56 he was faster. I dunno it sounds better faster but Menuhin plays it better especially at 3:10. I'm torn.
OtherWorld 4 years ago
good call i like Menuhin's part there too. the e string sounds a little shrill but that i blame that on the recording. 3:11 is so indescribably emotional. i like Heifetz's at :56 a little more though (the part at :56 in this video)
84winston19 4 years ago
Ungenießbar........
filmauge16zu9 4 years ago
great! this was great!
gbf5 4 years ago
This version > Heifitz > Milstein
depauw2004 4 years ago 2
Agreed!
OtherWorld 4 years ago
Hi everybody,
I've posted another performance of the Bach partita in d minor, performed by Perlman. It's a recording from the '70s, I think. A really rare one. Check it out!
likemyviolin 4 years ago
That's cool, I just listened to the Perlman performances for the first time today. I was in the car with company and didn't get to hear it properly but so far I am impressed. And this is from somebody who doesn't really like Perlman all that much.
aimson 4 years ago
the chaconne is difficult but at least the route through the difficulty for a musician anyway is incredibly clear. its not just randomly impossible like pagonini or kreisler.
Bush76 4 years ago 3
"randomly impossible"...that's perfect for describing those guys lol, gj
Gilaziel 4 years ago
me too
mandrileante 4 years ago
Very Beautiful, I've heard many versions and this is one of the best.
homeros8000 4 years ago 2
It is so AMAZINGLY difficult to playing any Bach in tune!! Back then they had nothing to correct little faults, so this is extremely well-played, in my opinion. I posted a video of myself playing the Bach g minor fugue and then critiquing myself afterwards, so you violin enthusiasts might find it very interesting and should come leave me comments and suggestions- I'd appreciate it!
BenChanViolin 4 years ago 2
intonation is bad but interpretation is nice... f was way sharp unfortunately, but still hes very good. nice pace. Nice sound quality considering its 70 years ago lol!
Violincrazy 4 years ago
ca me rend ouf de voir qu il y en a qui critique!! ils n ont qu a faire deja le dixieme et apres ont peut voir au dela des notes et aussi de ce putain de "style" dont tout le monde parle mais que personne ne sait definir.. plus personne ne joue avec un tel coeur aujourd hui..
pifou2007 4 years ago
C'est vraiment commun sur youtube de voir des amateurs faire des critiques sévères à l'endroit des violonistes virtuose mondialement célèbre et acclamées. Personnellement, ça me fait rire.
It's very common on youtube to see some newbie do severe crticism on the playing of the greatest virtuoso of musical history.
Personaly I found this thing very funny.
Lux019 4 years ago 4
C'est ma version préféré de la chaconne, l'intensité des barriolages, à partir de 4,54 est tout simplement sublime.
Lux019 4 years ago
Hey, has anyone heard the Maurice Sklar version of this? That is a lively one also....I don't have it to post, though, I'm afraid. Anyone else have it?
HeidiHo2001 4 years ago
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good old skool - but it is at last only interpretation..bach has improvised his music - its well-known..
:-)
..you wonna see/hear something realy innovative - ..how to improvise on bachs music ..?!
look for video : "bach sarabande jazz guitar"
or go to renatorozic dot com /audio/bach or audio/mozat..
..you ll astonish !
:-)
doublearejazz 4 years ago
For god sake. There is space for any kind of good music. Improvisation is good just like playing what is written is equally good. Just have to do it right like menuhin certainly does. With the soul.
fmhv 4 years ago
Menuhin would agree that the interpreter is less than the composer/improviser. In fact, he accounted his humility to always knowing his place as second to the true creators of music.
See "Conversations with Menuhin" by David Dubal.
kitsune11888 4 years ago
Yes I know that. I admire profoundly Menuhin not only as a musician but also as a man and one of the things I think are most inspiring in him is his humbleness. However I disagree with him on that point though. You can not reduce the interpreter to a machine to "simply" execute the technical points described in a sheet or the sequence of notes. . A outstanding interpreter can make a mediocre composition in a good one just as a mediocre interpreter can reduce a piece to nothing .
fmhv 4 years ago
Wouldn't express it that way, but you're right.
mariusfelix 4 years ago
CORRECT but in the Key of d minor the mediant is f in a normal diatonic scale. if the subtonic is an accidental f sharp it acts as a leading tone plus the parralell major is f major. do you think bach did'nt think that puting an f sharp into his d minor music wouldn't act as a leading tone! so it is a leading to after all! WORD
grampamcbill 4 years ago 2
Quoted from grampamcbill (without the offensive comments to you): "His high F sharp helps the passages move along it is the leading tone after all!" Actually, the Chaconne is written in D minor, which makes c-sharp the leading tone. Also, the F-natural note in that chord should actually be played slightly flat, not sharp as Menuhin does. Play a d-minor scale and you will see what I mean.
aimson 4 years ago
La superbe Chaconne de JS Bach !!!
Une interprétation des plus sensibles et fines par Menuhin.
Toujours un intense moment de plaisir
descolonges 4 years ago
This is quite amazing, too bad the sound quality doesn't capture the full Menuhin sound.
AbsoluteZ3R0 4 years ago
Great recording, unfortunately it wet downhill from then on, probably coincidentally when he started competing with Yoga at an international level..
ulyssesjj 4 years ago
oo he was 17 at this point?
munkybrain 4 years ago
I had the incredible privilege to be a section musician when Menuhin played the Brahms in Dayton in the 70's. eyes closed the entire performance,his music came from the soul. As an encore he played the Preludio from Partita 3..broke a string , grabbed the concertmasters violin and stunned the audience with the sound he produced from a dime store fiddle. As for the Chaconne..no words can describe Bach's genious..Heifetz, Milstein, Menuhin..each interpretation brings us a new understanding
guarneriviolinaddict 4 years ago 2
How I wish I had the privilege you had! :) I'm still grateful for the fact that he existed in an era where his sound -and in a way his soul- can be kept for ages and generations to come.
AdaRdor 4 years ago
17 I tell you
for god's sake listen to me
Boeing1991 4 years ago
Yeah, Menuhin is considered to be one of the greatest child prodigies this century. Such incredible natural talent is hardly ever seen in a 17-year old person or any person at all.
aimson 4 years ago
This recording was taken when he was 17
Heifetz does not play bach as good as menuhin or other people
but no doubt, Heifetz is one of the best, but not for bach
Boeing1991 4 years ago
intonation problem at