Malcolm X on An Independent Black State (October 11, 1963)

[WhiteWeasel420]

How about we stop spending 20 BILLION dollars a year on Israel to carry out a racist Genocide of Palestinian people and use that money to help Black African Americans build their own Nations and civilizations?

I don't care who is responsible for Slavery I only care about what these people DESERVE. Clearly this goal is much more noble then giving billions upon billions to these insane dictators around the world...

[WhiteWeasel420]

Hi. I'm a white Nationalist.

I think Malcom X told the truth and was a great man.

He was the African American version of Commander George Lincoln Rockwell.

Our peoples can coexist...However we need separate lands for our people and REAL leadership in our respective Governments. The Black and White Nation should have diplomats and at all cost hold peaceful coexistence. We deserve our own governing just as any nation around the world does.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 OK, I missed the part about the one officer planting drugs on Johnston after they fired in response to her opening fire (I always follow up on possible factual mistakes). That part was wrong, but the point still stands. Isolated cases of wrong by the cops don't even begin to support your notion of this "barely better than slavery" condition of MOST black people in the USA. And again, it's belied by the fact that the gov convicted these people; it didn't cover it up.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 Anyway, I wish you the best. I hope you one day stop letting people who hate whites so much feed you all of your information. It truly is colored. But there's nothing more I can say here. You want to hate whites and the US government. Maybe the USA is not the place for you. Whatever. I just hope you learn to hate less and look objectively.

Good luck to you.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 Sigh. As I said, I see you are getting your information from very biased anti-white websites. I really did try to discuss it logically, but it's getting nowhere.

I'll just leave you with the notion that if the police in those cases were convicted; it belies your notion the government doesn't prosecute.

And the reason I only pointed out the ONE case is that only in the one case (Louima) was it a genuine CRIME as opposed to police MISTAKES (mistakes DO happen to everybody).

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 Whites "free to bomb churches and lynch blacks"???

I think I get a picture where you're coming from, so I won't drag this out much longer. Whites were NEVER "free" to bomb or lynch, even if they sometimes got away with it in the isolated deep south due to KKK-stacked juries.

Even your examples belie your claims. First, there ALWAYS are SOME bad things which happen - to all groups. Second, in the ONE case of genuine crime in those examples, the cop was tried and convicted.

Whatever.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 "Downplaying" is not the correct term to use.

I'm not "downplaying" anything. To downplay would be to make something which did happen seem less severe or catastrophic. What I am saying, on the other hand, is that I disagree that your claims are factual to begin with.

Funny how you write something like "justify police brutality" when I explicitly wrote that I DON'T condone it. It just didn't happen nearly as often as you claim.

You're welcome to present evidence to prove me wrong.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 Also, while I don't defend the roughness of the police on criminals, it's critical to note that the police were mostly being rough ON CRIMINALS. It's not as though innocent blacks regularly got beaten up or jailed by police in the North just for being black.

So the only thing I argue about is the notion that it was "barely better than slavery" for the majority of blacks. It was rough, especially because of the poverty, but let's try to keep it accurate.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 Yes, I'm familiar with the 67 riots. No one said things were "fine" for blacks; obviously there was headway which needed to be made. The point is simply that the notion of ALL blacks having it so bad as to be hellish, is an exaggeration of how bad it was. Blacks had it rough partly because of some racism, but more because of poverty.

Actually the 67 riots were a very stupid reaction to a situation which was already improving; it caused "white flight" and ruined those neighborhoods.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 Well, we could go back and forth on this for a long time but from all I have known, INCLUDING talking to a lot of black people who lived through the 60s, it just wasn't as bad as you make it sound. Sure, SOMETIMES the police could get heavy handed. But that was rare; and it happened to whites, sometimes, too.

If you have anything you would like me to read on it, I would gladly do so but the "yes it was - no it wasn't" is not going to get us anywhere LOL

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 Anyway, I'm not saying bad things didn't happen, everywhere, even in the North, to blacks, as well as to others. And I'm certainly not saying that people such as X or whomever shouldn't argue against the wrongs which WERE being done. Just as people can protest against crime, today.

My point is that when people misrepresent or exaggerate how bad things were, it destroys the credibility of those who are fighting for real change. Do you understand what I am getting at?

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 No offense, but you may want to check your sources about what the North was supposedly like in the 60s. Sure, more racism was openly tolerated, but it was not even comparable to the South and those areas where the KKK was actually openly supported.

I'm not trying to "downplay" anything, but put things in perspective.

The things you talk about happened, but very very rarely, in the North, even 100 years ago. Just as murder happens today, but not to every family.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 (p.2)

And while SOME "white people" may have stood in the way of free movements, many MORE white people fought FOR those freedom movements! How else do you think they were passed?

Again, though, this doesn't add up to white people of today, who did none of the wrong of slavery, and didn't benefit from it, having to pay money to black people, who didn't endure it, based solely on the color of their skin.

Now THAT would be systemic RACISM, to pay reparations for that.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 But that doesn't follow, to ask for reparations from ALL of society because there were still a FEW radicals out doing awful things.

By that logic, I should be able to ask for reparations from blacks because of crime being committed against whites, today. Which, of course, is illogical.

Blacks in the 60s weren't "barely better than slaves", legally! Maybe in a few podunk, out-of-the-way southern towns, but in not MOST of society. It's not fair to generalize based in the exceptions.

[RonQE2]

@infox1000 I never claimed he endured "nothing", as in "no hardships". But HE didn't endure the society-sanctioned enslavement and moral wrongs of the blacks of the past, for whom he says reparations should be due.

In a reasonable, just society, you don't get paid by the government just because you had a hard life. You need a path to justice to seek recompense from those who specifically wronged you.

You're wrong, though, about your gross generalizations about what "whites" want.

[MyHealingSoul]

The white people did not come to this land to live in peace and harmony with the natives; they came here to carry out genocide and to steal their land; which they did.

[OldestUTubeChannel]

if the governemnt really gave african americans a chance to go back ask your self how many would go and the some that do go what they gone do on the transportaion machinary an the the first thing they gone do when the first step off

[aboynamedmass]

@OldestUTubeChannel are you retarded malcolm just explained it you ignorant.

[OldestUTubeChannel]

@aboynamedmass PEACE UMTO YOU

[slicvic2012]

OWNED @ 3:00 :)

[Vangrungy]

The mayan indians used ritualized human sacrifice as their central worship... I'm glad they are gone...

[Vangrungy]

muslims sold blacks into slavery...

[jimbobeire]

Very smart man, but when he was spokesman for NOI some of the ideas he put forward on their behalf were fairly silly. Elijah Mohammed basically asking for 'reservations' for black people? They would have been given, then slowly eroded as with the American first natives who Malcolm referred to. If the first nations had mass communications and a clear thinker like Malcolm X, their population would not have been so badly decimated by westward expansion of the states.

[RexLawson4eva]

This man is my hero.

[Mr00112287]

Good speech

[peasah2005]

@RonQE

I am not suprised with your worthless pricked nature.

With your hypocrisy first you accuse Malcolm of racism, then you said he's intelligent.

Make up your mind.

[PeaveDarter]

Jesus said that all the laws and all the all the commandments hung on just those two things. Jesus loved everyone, and WAS Christ. He is our example by which to live our life out of the clutches of sin. Sin is present in every human being except Jesus. Sin hurts us, and keeps us lower than what God knows we can be.

This is garbage, and teaches people to think of other's in terms of history, instead of present. Color, and not compasison.

It's wrong.

[PeaveDarter]

The answer is no. They are content to live there with the descendants of the people that burned their ancestors in pits years and years ago.

You know why people aren't in an uproar? Because you can't tell the difference now! They all look the same! If our colors matched, we would be at greater harmony, but since they don't, bull shit like that of which spews from this man's mouth is heard all over.

The Bible is very clear: Love the Lord, and love thy neighbor as thyself.

[AVeLLiiii]

@RonQE NO civil rights was just over 40 years ago: & you think welfare to blacks is enough while whites actually benefit more from welfare than blacks? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS !!!NO IT ISNT ENOUGH, 400 hundred years of slavery equals 400 years of pursuing justice & equality. we should get our own state & give texas back 2 the mexicans while your @ it BiTCH

[RonQE]

@AVeLLiiii

I pointed out how X was illogical. This notion "we/us" was misplaced. The slave labor he talked about was not done by him or any people alive. And only a very FEW white people alive today (old-money families) have benefited from it! He also speaks of "the government" as if it weren't the PEOPLE today who would have to pay the bill. Now, tell me, how should I, or any other non-black, who never had a hand in or benefited from slavery, have to pay to people who never endured it? (p.1)

[tfrenn]

The same families that profited off of slavery are still in control of the Gov today, as a white man I know that I had nothing to do with the mass slaughter of Indians but the Gov still hasn't paid off its debt on all the land they stole from them...

[RonQE]

@tfrenn

You are right that SOME of the families which benefited from slavery are still somewhat influential in the gov today.

However, you must be careful when you say "the GOV hasn't paid back their debt". You can't equate the gov with those few old-money families just because those families have influence. Who would end up paying? The PEOPLE, alive today! Who did no wrong and got no benefit from slavery to pay people who never endured it.

[pistonear]

@RonQE No statue of limitations on murder. its a tort an actionable wrong. rap, robbery, murder, kidnapping. mass genocide of Moors, Afriicans and Hebrews. 100 million shipped out. More killed than Jewish in Nazi Germany and Native Americans in the USA. Everyone deserves justice even Moors, Africans, and Hevrews.

[babyfods18]

@RonQE ALL WHITE PEOPLE TODAY ARE THE BENEFICIARIES OF SLAVERY, BUILDINGS, LAND, RAIL ROADS, BRIDGES ETC YOU HAVE IS ALL DUE TO BLACK PEOPLES INVESTMENT OF BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS IN YOUR COUNTRY. IF I CAME AND STOLE YOUR HOUSE AND FORCED YOU OUT, YOU WOULD BE ANGRY THEN AFTER I DIE YOUR CHILDREN RETURN TO THE HOUSE AND EXPLAIN TO MY KIDS WHAT HAPPENED, THEY ACT LIKE THEY UNDERSTAND. BUT THE MINUTE YOU ASK FOR YOUR HOUSE BACK THEY SAY "IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME" WON'T FEEL NICE NOW? WOULD IT?

[NewYorkRangers89]

@babyfods18 Are you a spanish american?

[babyfods18]

@NewYorkRangers89 I AM AFRICAN LIKE ALL BLACK PEOPLE; WHAT THE HELL IS "SPANISH AMERICAN" ?

[ngonea]

@RonQE - the survivors & descendents of the Jewish Holocaust, Japanese internment, Indian wars all received reparations, now why not us? The Gov you speak of is US INC and has been since 1791.The colonies were chartered corporations by King George, today the STATE OF __ still corporations listed on Dunn & Brad St & traded on the NYSE for PROFIT..slavery was not abolished it was modernized,

"HISTORY OF REPARTIONS PAYMENTS"

[RonQE2]

@ngonea You have it wrong. The descendants of the Holocaust and the internments didn't get reparations, the people WHO ENDURED THE WRONG got them. Sure, those payments were made to next of kin if the person died, but it was a payout to the estate of the person to whom the wrong was done.

I can agree reparations might have been paid AT THE TIME of the winning of the civil war, from the Confederacy, but it was not done, and blacks now didn't endure ANY of that. (cot'd)

[RonQE2]

@ngonea (cot'd)

What's more, the lines of responsibility and fault, along with victim, have been blurred over time. You can't just blindly give "blacks" money from "whites". That would be wrong.

Also, consider that the institution which continued slavery past the founding of the USA, namely, the Confederacy, no longer exist. From whom are you going to extract these funds?

Only a civil lawsuit against SPECIFIC old-money families, by specific descendants of specific slaves, makes ANY sense at all

[RonQE2]

@RonQE By the way, I'm responding under a new ID because antihostile saw fit to censor me and ban me from his boards, despite the fact I was never rude or obnoxious. He apparently didn't like the fact that someone who disagreed with him on some points actually made SENSE, and, instead of debating me, he chose to censor.

I imagine it's only time before it happens again, to this account.

I wish people like he would defend his position instead of trying to quiet the voices who disagree with them.

[brojohn47]

@RonQE you are your children and your children are you..so when i refer to my family i say "we" (dead or alive), and "we" came to this country in chains.

[RonQE]

@AVeLLiiii

In regards to government assistance, I was for a certain amount of it 40 years ago to help get blacks into the workplace. But beyond that, unquestionably, per capita, blacks benefit far more from the gov than whites and have far more protections than whites. Incompetent blacks are still given assistance via quotas whilst incompetent whites are left by the wayside.

Now we could discuss the rightness or wrongness of this, but the bottom line is, blacks alive today have known (p.2)

[RonQE]

@AVeLLiiii

..great benefit from the gov, not "slavery". Even in his day none had endured slavery, they just needed equality (a la MLK). So to try to demand any form or reparation is illogical.

I would fight for equal treatment for all races but "give us money / states" is absurd. That's not EQUALITY. It's as racist as slavery was. If you want to be separate from whites, Africa is full of black-run governments now. Let me know how you make out there. Bye. LOL! (p.3, end)

[thevillain091]

@RonQE shut yo stupid ass up cracker if it wasn't for u savages we would still be in africa. u white demon

[StartRespectingLife]

You are 100% correct

[rynobeelee]

LOL. He's no joke wish he could come back. I'd love to meet him.

[YungReezzy]

White people have NO RIGHT to ANY of The America's. This land is the land my fore fathers lived and died on since before recorded history. I will live and die on this land, then my children will do the same. Malcolm Said it best in the video "this country was inhabited before you got here and you had no problem taking it.

[dangtay111]

i here ya.

[armynavyman76]

how do you figure it was atupid and how does it reveal his short-sightedness? Just curious.

[queengugs]

nem 1901

Is the land for white people america since they all came from europe?

[nem1901]

no....I would not and did not say that....I'd guess that the land 4 white ppl is europe....I mean i just won't think its America, how can I ???

[KofiYMusa]

@queengugs Yes but since the pirates of Europe killed the original inhabitants they can stay here and the government of America should pay the descendants of its African slaves reparations.

[nem1901]

to me, the USA's land rightfully 'belongs' to the Natives. so , to me, the bottom line is blacks and other races may be able to claim they have roots here, but there is a land for the black man, and IT IS NOT ' AMERICA '

[hacktik101]

hold up africans where her before whites and where actually natives before the natives research washitaw nation ,olmecs and ask yourself what is pyramids doing in america... africans colonizied america when before the contental drift and the word america is amer which means black. the black indians where killed off when refusing to mate with whites

[TerrorTown7575]

Well We know for certain that whites cant claim this land is thiers. Secondly , as a matter of fact I would even argue with you Honkies. I'm ready to act. Fuck you Honkies.

[KushWarriorReturns]

I love the final answer that he gave with the "indian" argument.

[prkjs08]

I respect Malcolm X immensely, but I have to disagree with him here. Land causes more problems than it solves.

I prefer what Malcolm said after leaving the NOI and embracing Sunni Islam more than what he said in the early days. Still, he makes good points and I agree, he is more relevant today than ever before.

[VivaciousBanquet]

Regardless that I am a citizen, born and bred of the soil and nation that may be claimed as one of the 'Curators' of the black slave trade; That being of the United Kingdom. One would have to say that Malcolm X's philosophy is great and accurate of that period of history.

The fact that he manages to make people laugh when they should cry about the terrors that occured proves he is a true leader and inspiration. One would personally wait for days to here him talk.

[thirdshift47]

Malcolm is the illest!LOL!!

[Goatsemen]

The jews want you to stay

[rckbttm14]

they gave this sweet deal to israel...jews get our reparations,they held most slaves, they owned nearly all slave ships, then when forced to "free slaves" jews committed over 44% of violent crimes against "freed slaves", then they put on white sheets with some white ppl which ultimately turned into suits they wear in congress. every white person who has land is not suppose to own grass blade of land until africans/descendabnts get theirs

[Ivan951]

"what land is'nt already possesed by others?" haha too easy

[rckbttm14]

just because you posses something don't make it yours. have you heard of stolen property, thats exactly what every white person who owns land is. if you but something stolen and authority finds out you have to give it back without any compensation, same with white ppl land they stole and pass down from gen to gen

[Ivan951]

Im Mexican, trust me i know this. If you see the quotations i was laughing because the white women asked that.

[blacktreemedia]

I agree, Thank u Antihostile. U have done a great service, in a sense, Malcolm still lives on YouTube, and what he says is still relevant, maybe even more relevant today than ever.

[monarchaic]

everyone needs to study malcolm

[peasah2005]

Brother Malcolm X is one of the greatest leaders of our times, because he was so dignifying, unignorant, undecieful, loving and he knew how to uplift us, because he knew that our pain was his pain and Brother Malcolm had the love and the courage to inspire us.

[tfromd]

and above all of that which you speak of him, he spoke the truth which alot of our so-called leaders lack these days

[Ruellian]

I NEED MALCOLM MATERIAL NOW!!!

[never9]

He's absolutely right, possessing land should be a top priority for our people. One of my teachers said it best: Every other nationality, no matter where they are in the world, has a "base", that is, a nation and/or govt. to speak for them. The Chinese have China, Italians have Italy, etc. Who speaks for Black Americans? What nation? Where is our base? We suffer because we lack one.

[rckbttm14]

claiming our nationality should help in this area

[seekingjah]

This is the kind of Black man they all fear so they divided the nation by way propaganda and used our own people to kill him. This how the great minipulators work. I always will respect Malcolm X for standing up for us unafraid.

[seekingjah]

Just like they provided for the so called Jewish people which they are also still providing them by way of Billions of dollars each year.

[rmship]

Truth, it was good to see the evolution to nationalism. Funny how he became dangerous on that end of the scale.

[morthim]

it is truely great that you have made these audio and video files available, thank you for all the work it has taken to get them on youtube, and i hope you will continue to honor us with more.

[BIGBossVIDEOHEAVEN]

anti hostile keep em coming i subscribe to u for these videos.

[jmy100]

Thanks for this!

[lydecah89]

Thank you

[4JANDREL]

Reparation is only fair ...

[RebelReport]

This is pure knowledge...

[samdonuge]

last bit was great

[Hueyriley11]

Thank you for putting more Malcolm X on this is great.