Necron Tactics Part 1 of 3 Warhammer 40,000

[GearShotgun]

I'm just starting at the table top game, and i'm thinking about getting necrons, do you guys think i should or shouldn't, they too complicated for a beginner, or because their codex is about to get redone?

[CerealMunchkin]

@GearShotgun necrons are actually one of the simplest armies! the one complaint i have with them being my 2nd army is that there's no options. you get everything you need buying a battleforce or just warriors. but you'll want more. there's also no range or movement to them and you'll likely get out shot against say eldar or tau but having an army charge at you is great! so basically my final thoughts are they're great for a beginner, you might get bored?

[GearShotgun]

@CerealMunchkin sounds good, my only real complaint is that this Phase out rule makes them extremely broken, if it comes down to the wire where you've both only got two units left and its all in, you might lose two or 5 warriors and instantly lose because you dropped below a quarter of your army, i hope they fix that in the new codex

[XivilaiAnaxes]

Necrons do not suck by nature, Use them properly and you'll never have to worry about phase out if you use a regenerator and if you can figure out how to use a warscythe wielding destroyer lord would screw heavy tanks up, but what's best? Nightbringer and Deceiver are so nuts that they will spank anything that tries to stand in their way. I can't wait for the Void Dragon's rules to come out.

[XivilaiAnaxes]

@OmgL0STCAUSE, Pariahs Phasesense Warscythe IGNORE armor & invulnerable Saves and Instant Kill anything they fight against, regardless of toughness and wargear. They have 2 attacks on the charge, They get ONE attack for a reason, it's called insane overpowering. Could you imagine the point cost of this model if it was more than that? The nightbringer is insane too. the Unstoppable Ghazg'kull, Unkillable Commisar Yarrick are all killed without chance for revival due to their special rules.

[ZodiacStationAlpha]

What is Phase Out?

[Shock233]

@ZodiacStationAlpha basically, if your down to a quarter of your army. the rest of your forces leave the table and your opponent get's an automatic win.

[ZodiacStationAlpha]

@Shock233 Wow that sucks

[shizlnit]

I am thinking of starting up necrons and am looking for advice on what to get

what I am thinking of getting to start with is as follows

Battle force ( 2x warriors, 7 scarabs, and 3 destroyers)

Lord with resurrection orb

one more destroyer

2 boxes of immortals (8 models)

and 3 wraiths

what do you think?

[revenantmadman]

@shizlnit It really depends on who you are fighting, wraiths can be nice against the smaller squads, but against hordes, they are useless, can't get enough attacks out. Destroyers and lots of warriors are a must, and I suggest getting 5 destroyers instead of 4. The immortal's picture on GW must have decieved you, they only come with one metal immortal, they are pretty nice though, tough with an assualt 2 weapon. Anywho, it is a pretty good start.

[OmgL0STCAUSE]

Pariahs kinda suck. Only 1 s4 attack? Really? No wbb. 1wound. A shooting attack which is nothing to write home about. Spend the points on destroyers, at least they can do damage at a range ( btw I don't play crons I play nids, my main oppponent is crons)

[Ichigo9913]

@OmgL0STCAUSE i'd agree, pariahs are very useless. maybe they'll become the ninjas of necrons by the next codex.

[Hask79]

How many points is this army under 5th edition rules?

[RepublicCustoms]

I swear to god, some of the US army generals watch this to get tips.

Anyway, you've drawn me in to starting a Necron army with all this Necron stuff (curse you, addictive Star Gods!) and I have a 1750 list planned out already and I'm starting to buy stuff. Would it be ok if I sent you my list?

Also, what would you do if your opponent put something like a Land Raider to deal with the Destroyers, instead of splitting his army? Unlike GW's boasts, Destroyers are really easy to kill w/ shooting.

[RepublicCustoms]

I swear to god, some of the US army generals watch this to get tips.......

Anyway, you've drawn me in to starting a Necron army with all this Necron stuff (curse you, addictive Star Gods!) and I have a 1750 list planned out already and I'm starting to buy stuff. Would it be ok if I sent you my list?

[brandon911111111111]

phase out needs to be destroyed

[AznSwordGod]

Out of curiosity, why not include a pariah unit in your army? It seems like the warscythe would be useful for close combat and armor should your army be forced into the situation.

[brandon911111111111]

@AznSwordGod they cost 60 something points per model ( i think its 64) and get no wbb and have 6 inch movement you only get one squad (max 10) if you use them for a counter charge unit they are good but they cost alot

[MH4059]

@brandon911111111111

they dont cost 60 points they cost 36 per model thats a huge difference if your bringing 10 it will only cost 360 instead of 600

[brandon911111111111]

@MH4059 sorry i think i must have been smoking something i was way off but still there pricy

[MrDreamblade]

uh dude, im just wondering. without a monolith, isnt it impossable to get more than 2 warrior squads on the board with dawn of war.

[HorusRising40k]

how many points is this

[1duderandom]

you rock you are the best necrons rule

[KrptoSodium]

dawn of war got me into the tabletop :]

[Rorschach1030]

what does a ressurection orb do?

[wierdWaldo]

@Rorschach1030 resurrect your guy's.

[CoNnZ666]

@Rorschach1030

everyone within 6inches of a lord can take "we'll be back" regardless of anything that would ignore it

[Beammeup87]

Alot of people posting on how necrons aren't hard, yet I've seen some stupid builds. If you ONLY take one squad of something (say Heavy D's or D's and wraiths etc...) you're going to lose that squad in one turn of firing and then no WBB b/c of the lack of a similar unit. Those of you saying "hey Tombspider" read the rules; you need a similar unit on the table still. Necrons are VERY hard to play in 5th... they're nearly impossible to win with. Kudos to you fritz for trying to make them viable.

[red244]

@Beammeup87 Very hard to play? Hardly. You just avoid using too meny warriors in order to prevent you phasing out. Also with the right tatics necrons are the strongest force on the table-top... Warriors can heavily hinder enermy armour (6 is glencing hit no matter the armour). Warscythe can destory enermy armour no problem.

[red244]

@red244 Flayed Ones can cause hell on infantry, Tomb Spyders can take heavy punishment and spawn Scarbs helping to keep you from phasing out. Monaliths are weapons of mass destruction Get one within range of any tanks or anything and they will reak havoc. Also, this alows you to pull your warriors from close combat or deploy your reserves right into the fight.

[red244]

@red244 Taking all that into consideration they are a very simple army to use when you learn how to use them. It's not like Space Marines where you have 4+ pieces of possible wargear per squad then you have to be concerned as to what happens if you choose the wrong wargear your basically then doomed to win.

[19Marvin96]

can i buy scarabs without buying a warrior squad??? :S

[Beammeup87]

You have to have 20 warriors period. You have to have 2 troop choices and with a minimum 10 man squad you need two squads minimum of 10.

[19Marvin96]

i got a question. can a necron lord have a Ressurection Orb AND a Veil Of Darkness?

[Vehementi]

Yes, you're allowed 100 points of wargear.

VoD is 60 and res orb is 40 points.

[Beammeup87]

Yes, its exactly 100 pts of wargear and that is all a necron lord is allotted... minus the warscythe.

[MrGrizzlez]

No , is there even a new codex coming out?

[TauLord1218]

have they released the new codex for necrons yet?

[tarkonis]

Hey there Fritz!

Thread necro incoming!

I also have a few questions if you wouldnt mind answering them :)

If I deepstrike the monolith, can I teleport and move a unit through it on the turn it arrives... for example, deepstrike monolith, teleport wraiths, move and assault them?

Also, Can I fire the weapons on the monolith the turn it arrives from deepstrike?

[Beammeup87]

You can fire the monolith, you cannot move and assault with the wraiths I believe they FAQ'd it.

[wormfoodboy]

Well, you can place them like this hoping to go first, so it only works 50% of the time. But don't let basic statistics stop you, flame on.

[roflrofl2039]

This is not a viable tactic, and neither is any other video regarding seize ground a good tactic... Because you must decide on the LOCATION and the NUMBER of objectives BEFORE the first player (who goes first) deploys his army.

Hence you may never know if your going to be by your objectives

[LordiKita1]

You dont use heavy destroyers?

[roflrofl2039]

@LordiKita1

[kooldude7876]

hey i was wondering what would be a good list to start with for necrons?

[wario22]

just get a ton of warriors and a lord, maybee a heavy destroyer or somthing aswell

[cadiansftw05]

You can disable vehicles all game with glances, you can also destroy it with multiple weapon destroyed/immobilized rolls etc.

[cheerful46]

Necrons still glance vehicles in fifth but with the new damage table thing glancing hits can't kill a vehicle in one shot

[Terrorkarel]

Which means no kill points.

[UnholyBurgerr]

Can someone explain why necrons dont glance vehicles anymore? what rule change in 5th changed this? Im confused.

[mattman154]

Outflanking genestealers =)

[crankys13]

necrons are a hard army to master but they can be unstopable is u know how to play it but i need you to check this army list ive got : 40 warrioirs 2 monoliths 3 wraith 5 pariahs deciver necron destroyer lord 3 destroyers necron lord 10 scarab swarms and 2 tomb spiders

[TheRed347]

necron is not a hard army to master..... You don't really need a lot of tactics... Even a warrior can destroy a tank... Plus they can make revive their own guys thanks to the we'll be back rule

[Terrorkarel]

And you have Initiative 2 which means you get sweeped in cc most of the times and you auto lose if you have only 25%. What makes necrons hard to master is prefenting this. They also have an older codex which means compaired to the new codexes they are very lacking. Gauss is also no longer an reliable anti-armor option since the new edition.

[tonz0fun182]

can you stand still for 5 sec.

[mrgantz12345]

go necrons

[darthkilzone]

if a wraith is a "jetbike" and since it can turbo boost if it turbo boosts can u still assault?

[darthkilzone]

are necrons a good starting army?

[GoW1BallhArD]

im gunna start with them :/ so i hope so lol

[doom978]

Wait! I wouldn't get many Necrons just yet. GW's coming out with a new codex by late December or early January. The necrons might look different, and there's no point in jumping on models which might become outdated.

To answer your question though, Necrons are a great starting army(one of the best), you may just want to wait a bit before you buy more than about 500-750 points.

[darthkilzone]

i hope they do and come out with new units but i just hope they dont change the current ones ecspicly wraiths!

[Ijustmadethisup4]

I like that...your too slow to do anything big tactically. So you set it up so your oppenate has to play your game.

[jhulance]

interesting tactical idea but splitting an army up makes it vary easy to kill units. *divide and conquer*.

[themanmoore]

if the other guy is gonna kill  his destroyers then he can jet boost them over to his main army removing anything not incedably fast moving for at least 2 turns which at turn 4 is a game winner

also he never said what he does in KP i find that my tactics change by the mission

[razgriz4977]

Unles you have tanks. Lotsa tanks. Which many 40k armies do, lol.

[Bledoston]

Very nice. Do you think this tactic would be applyable on an all infantry deathguard army?

[crankys13]

you cant place objectives yourself outherwise your cheating and when u said about your warriors cant get to the objectives just use veil of darkness and get a monolith and put your warriors in reserve and deep strike the monolith at an objective

[themanmoore]

yes he can each player gets to place a certain number of objectives he p;laces his 2 near him the other guy place the others where he wants

[crankys13]

hey iv e got 30 necron warriors 3 destrotyers, nightbriger,monolith,7scarab swarms and necron destroyer lord with the resurection orb and veil of darkness what should i get next

[darthkilzone]

im not a necron player but alot of people say warriors should be the MAIN thing in ur army

[jonnye29]

well as the only troops choice they have to be.

I played a game using necrons against chaos space marines today and using nothing but the fire from my warriors and 3 destroyers i brought the army to its knees before my m8's khorne units could get into close combat.

I luv warriors

[Altier215]

that is because they are ur only troops choice, and the minimum cost for a squad of em is 180 pts

[andystuart123]

hey frits i get the battle forse and a lord what should i get next? thanks : )

[meme7792]

what do you mean necrons cant hurt vehicles?

[ihatecountry777]

it's not that difficult... take necron warriors, average a sqad of say 15, you roll maybe three sixes which are all glancing hits no matter what. and you probably have a few of these squads... and that's the weakest guns the crons got. beware heavy destroyers.

[crankys13]

ye thats right necrons have gauss weps

[Joe143cool]

You told me you were posting a space marine HQ choice vid but you didn't :(

[NCwarhammer]

What if the other player with three objectives decides to just hold them frits, The lord would be able to get there but the destroyers are to fragile and the warriors to slow. Best case scenario, draw?

[WayOfSaimHann]

True, this is a hard mission for necrons even with fewer objectives. If my opp. did this I would hold back with the destroyers and use them to contest with the scrabs and lord(s), marching warriors as a distraction in the mean time.

[Aquashkhar]

@NCwarhammer Destroyers are not fragile. Try making 10 saves with an armour of 3 and then a We'll be back of 4. If you failed just 1, your rolls are awful.

[Saxmaster96]

Hi! I recently bought Assault on black reach, and i was wondering, how many tyranids would be around 500 points? also, how many necrons? im starting a gaming club, so i need more than orks and SM's because 4 people are in it.

[CNDNWyteboy]

if you get the tyranid battleforce it will roughly set you up to about 500-750 points but make sure you buy the codex before you start putting models togethor so you can figure out what type of army you want.

[Saxmaster96]

wow, isn't a battleforce 90$?

[aapjeBOB0]

jup it is. you better get used to it this hobby is expensive, but o so much fun.

On topic: Fritz, this helped me allot!

[Kovinth]

What made you decide to start playing necrons again?

[WayOfSaimHann]

I have always liked the fluff and background stuff of the Necrons and I love the idea of immortal robots. Problem is that they 100% suck, or are difficult to compete with, in 5th right now. Roll that into one and that is why I'm going to be rolling with Necrons for a bit. Lots of guys I play complain about my Eldar Seer council and vyper as beardy rather then seeing it is the tactics behind them. I'm also tired of dudes rolling up with their min-maxed power lists thinking "they" are winning the.

[WayOfSaimHann]

Somehow lost part II to my rant... Anyway by playing Necrons, besides having fun with the army, if you loose to my 'crons it is b/c of superior tactics and gameplay, not b/c of a power build. That and I also want to share with you guys that it is pure tactics that win, not really the "army". Play the army you want and win with tactics!

[holmsey555]

is there a rule with crons where u get to pick your deployement zones because normally you choose zones after you have set up the markers you wont get that sweet set up you show.

[WayOfSaimHann]

no, but I would deploy my objectives like this anyway and a "smart" player will give me the side with more objectives hoping I try to hold them so they can hit me in the assault and phase me out. I also set it up this way for "best case" scenario, but the tactics adapt the same way- you will have control over where you at least place your objecties- VOD and destroyer contesting are for where your opponent places theirs.

[ry1788]

The army as a whole reminds me of a standard warhammer fantasy army. Big blocks of troops and then fast movers on the flanks. I like the ode to the 1700s as well lol.

[WayOfSaimHann]

LOL! Necrons = future pimped out tomb kings.

[Number1GamerAsh]

cool new necron copetitvness now im worried

[johnkerry7]

i hate how people say the gausee weapon sucks now. It only glances yes, but you can totally trash a vehicle with 10 glancing hits. Even if you dont destroy weapons you are still gonna prob shake the crap out of, taking it out of the game for a turn or two. Not to mention you are gonna be blowing up weapons.

[WayOfSaimHann]

Problem with gauss is that it is 100% not reliable- maybe I glance and immobilize that land raider in one shot, and mybe I shoot 50 shots into it and nothing happens. Can't count on gauss, but there really isn't a better option other then a destroyer lord with warsycthe.

[johnkerry7]

this is true in a way yes, but then you could say that about any weapon in 40k. Really its all about the dice gods anyways. But i wouldnt say its 100% not reliable, id say.....95% :p

[bulaven]

and if you face tau a glancing hit can take their skimmers down on a 6.

[nilewow]

How many armies do you play now Fritz? I've seen Eldar, Necron, and I think Space Marines one time...

[WayOfSaimHann]

I play eldar, black templars, necrons, and chaos death guard.

[AutarchAndrew]

i bet you cant make dark eldar competative

[johnkerry7]

are you kidding? he knows all