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  • Thank you! I don't know why but I felt it inside of me. The Pope ... no comment ... He's just a man. I don't get it ... I mean how this world works .... I don't get it and never will! 

  • Nice peaceful religion then?

  • @LadyPortia777 Not peaceful nor nice but satanic, the pope is the antichrist. All true biblebelieving Christians should know that by now. Martin Luther, Tyndale and all the other reformators know it and said it out load.

    The catholic church has persecuted Christians and Jews for 1260 years just like the Bible prophecies in Revelation, from 538 to 1798 when the pope finally got arrested. Thats when the beast of revelation got its seemingly mortal wound...

  • The Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminat­i-NAZIS-CFR run the world. they have all the judges, attorneys, doctors, major corporations, etc. all in their back pocket. bought & paid for, etc. our country is no longer free -we live in tyranny! truth an obscure thing, Oppression & lie is the norm. Were all slaves- our masters, the elite, r at least 50 years ahead of us in knowledge, technology, info., secrets & r using all of it against us!

    Go here:

    truthknowledge. com

    Spread it! Time is running out!

  • Catholicism is pagan religion,with supremacy of Cristianity,it so changablle bunch of jezuit's...black pope rule behind a scene...they showing kindness and humanity,but inside they are beasts that want to rule the world forthem selfs,i hate fate made of materialism,i only like simplle christian fate...all that shine in church is stupid...

  • true Christianity are protestants HAHAAHAH

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    Secret Orange Royal Arch York Rite Mason

  • i personally believe john todd was set up. part of the message of the PM i got, obviously, is in the post under this one. lemme know what yall think, thanks.

  • I'm not sure if I trust John Todd. I used to believe him to be legitimate, but now I'm not so sure.

    He seems to promote the belief that all banking can be traced back to the Rothschilds.

    Blaming the Jews for Occultism, Secret Societies, and control over money is what the Jesuits have been doing for years.

  • Well you don't like anyone that doesn't call the Pope a satanic demon from hell in every other sentence, but that's just your bigoted psycosis. Logic, facts, reason & history mean nothing to you.

    "Blaming the Jews for Occultism, Secret Societies, and control over money is what the Jesuits have been doing for years."

    Ha, ha, oh boy! How about blaming the City of London and Wall Street otherwise known as the Anglo-American establishment.

  • todd said the rothchilds arent jews... jews worship YHWH... rothchilds worship lucifer... lucifer is satan. todd wasnt ever 'blaming it on the jews'.

  • i personally believe that John Todd was set up by the illuminati... wonderin what yall think? part of the message of the PM i got, obviously, is in the post under this one. lemme know what yall think. thanks.

  • THE PM: 'Now? I have a fear for you. You have the John Tood video as your main video on your site. And as such I have trebidation. This man, under a long variety of names, has claimed a great many things. In one incarnation he claimed to be a reformed Jeesuit and had yet another tale of great import and imagination. He claimed to expose the Jesuit oath of extrordinay. Which by the way has been from time to time also been claimed by others to be the oaths of the masons and other assorted clans.'

  • look, i imagine people lookin at this video have heard of john todd... now, i personally believe that he was sincere and genuine in his videos. i this in a pm from somebody, tho, and was wondering what yall think....

  • "The very word SECRET is repugnant in a free and open society." JFK tried to stop them by issuing DEBT FREE SILVER CERTIFICATES (EO 11110) Last straw for demonic cabal-performed Masonic Human Sacrifice in Dealy Plaza in full view of the American public in order to inflict MASS TRAUMA-then smugly romanticized him w/ tales of Camelot - followed by CIA hit on RFK- then fake plane crash of son JFK Jr. w/ new bride & sister. Teddy sought refuge in bottle cowering before them. Who's left The O Man?

  • Have they read the sermon on the mount,how can they think they are serving jesus. this is more like somthing said judas. hippocracy wtf.

  • when are these jesuit scumbags going to learn....money power technology disgusting degradation of good people only mkae the jesuit scumbags bound for hell

  • these people are brainwashed, they thing by serving the "one true church" they are serving Yah...

    you and i know difrent

  • Jesus already told all of us NOT to take any kind of oaths at all...wether you be a Jesuit, the President, or a citizen...look in your Bible.

  • i was waiting for someone to say this other then me..

    AMEN!

  • "This has sometimes been made a pretext for excluding Jews from our Lodges, because they cannot regard the New Testament as a holy book." Albert Pike Morals and Dogma pg. 11

    "Our basic aim will be to destroy Israel." - Nasser of Egypt May 1967

  • OK. Your point is...what?

  • The Scottish Rite, written by Jesuits, is against the Jews,not controlled by them.

  • No. The Scottish Rite was promoted in the US by Albert Pike. Pike was a member & even attended the convention of the American Party (AP). The AP was an anti-Catholic secret society. Pike was pro-Slavery & tried to win the majority of the AP to a pro-slave plateform.

    The Scottish Rite member must denounce the Pope. The Scottish Rite was affilated with the Jewish B'nai B'rith (Sons of the Covenant) Lodges.

  • "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, hidden under a veil of flesh." - The Catholic National, July 1895

  • "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself" -Catholic National July 1895. "

    This is the version of this that I heard.

    Unless you can produce the actual document, its hard to take the word of all the anti-Catholic groups that publish this.

    No cathacism or documents of the Catholic Church claim the Pope is God. Can u site one?

  • Benito Juarez was killed for being a protestant going against the wishes of the Vatican.

    Pope Pius IX once sent Jefferson Davis a crown of thorns, and the Vatican was the only foreign power to recognize the Confederacy as a separate country.

  • Juarez died of a heart attack and was replaced by Tejada who continued his work.

    When did he become a Protestant? Dates. Church.

    Juarez, was raised by Father Salanueva who he called my Godfather all his life.

    From The Buried Mirror by C. Fuentes:

    "at age twenty-two, Benito Juarez left the house of Father SalanuevaHe was formed in the environment of a poor Catholic clergyman,

    Juarez was in the tradition of the great anti-Jesuit Mexican CATHOLIC Bishop Juan Palafox y Mendoza.

  • Benito Juarez - poisoned.

  • Prove it? Why didnt they poison his predecessor who carried out all his policies? Killing him didnt stop his program.

    When the British killed Lincoln, McKinley & JFK, their programs were killed with them. That's why they assassinate our good presidents.

  • Benito Juarez kicked many Jesuit Priests out of Mexico.

    Later he was found dead.

    After he had been poisoned.

  • Yes, Juarez was at odds with ultramontane factions in the Church in Mexico. Many Popes have been at war with this element.

    Juarez was succeed by by Sebastián Lerdo de Tejada who implemented his reforms, so killing him makes little sense.

    BTW, Benito's SEMINARY education was sponsored by Franciscan, Antonio Salanueva. Benito decided to be a lawyer instead of a priest.

    I mention this because you Catholic haters love to bring up some ones Catholic education.

  • The Pope sent a letter to US Archbishops asking they make every effort for peace.

    Davis responded to this letter. Pius IX responded, addressing Davis as president.

    Vatican Secretary of State Giacomo Antonelli insisted there was no endorsement of Davis.

    When Surrat tried with British help to hide in Rome the US had no extradition treaty with the Church. The Papal state detained him without it & turned him over to the US.

  • Catholic priests helped Surratt in Canada and England.

    He eventually made it to Italy where he became a member of the Papal Zouave.

  • Surratt was assisted in BRITISH Canada by a network operated to kill Lincoln.

    Whether a "Catholic" Priest or Confederate spies like Beverly Tucker or Edwin Lee who helped him to Liverpool, they were all agents of the British Empire, not the Pope. He hid his identity in Rome with the alias John Watson.

    The US, which had no extradition treaty with The Papal government, yet they detained Surrat until he could be handed over.

    Rufus King highly praised the Vatican for this.

  • Rufus King wrote to William Seward that:

    "this was done with the single purpose of showing the ready disposition of the Papal Authorities to comply with the anticipated request of the American Government."[16] This significant act of diplomatic courtesy reflected the cordial relationship that had been cultivated between the consuls and ministers of the United States and the Holy See, and the Holy Sees desire to retain good relations with the post-Civil War U.S. government.

  • The United States cut off diplomatic relations with the Vatican after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

  • Wrong. Lies were spread in the US including in the Establishment rag - The New York Times, that the Pope did not allow Protestants including US diplomats to worship in Rome.

    This resulted in Congress passing legislation that prohibited funding to any future US diplomatic missions to the Holy See.

    Congress DID NOT actually end diplomatic relations, but had simply stopped funding the mission to the Holy See.

    It had nothing to do with Lincoln's killing. Why would it?

  • The Papacy gave no support militarily or financially to the South as the Anglican Masonic British empire did.

    In fact Lincoln sent his personal friend the Arch Bishop of NY to Europe to drum up support for the Union cause.

    Poor Irish & German Catholic immigrants were drafted into the Union Army while rich White Anglo Saxon PROTESTANTS bought their way out of the service.

    The crown was sent after Davis was a broken man. Hardly support although it was bad judgement of an aging Pope.

  • Catherine de'Medici of France was told by her Jesuit confessor that her sins would be forgiven if she killed all the Protestants.

  • Where did u get this info?

    U are aware that the Jesuits are not the Catholic Church. In fact they have plotted to bring it down.

    I suggest u read:

    The Role of the Venetian Oligarchy in the Reformation, Counter-Reformation, Enlightenment and the Thirty Years' War by Webster Tarpley.

  • I find it hard to trust anything I hear from someone who works for GCN or RBN.

    Greg Szymanski was kicked off of RBN because he refused to stop exposing the Vatican.

  • "I find it hard to trust anything I hear from someone who works for GCN or RBN."

    What? Who are you talking about?

    Prove that Szymanski was kicked of for "exposing" the Vatican.

    Evidence, proof, lets see it.

    You're a fan of the wealthy Zionist, White racist, New Age diamond dealing Eric Jon Phelps are you not?

    So the British/Zionist created butchery of the Palestinians is OK? What about the persecution of Christian in Israel?

  • John Stadtmiller - American Free Press

    Ted Gunderson - American Free Press

    Willis Carto - Knight of Malta/American Free Press

    Jim Butler - American Free Press

    Greg Szymanski says he had been warned by Stadtmiller to stop exposing the Vatican.

    He was kicked off the air during an interview with Eric Jon Phelps.

  • So you don't trust RCN/GCN because these guys are with AFP? What happened to the right to be associated with whomever you want?

    BTW, what about when RCN/GCN hosted the anti-Catholic sponsor the "Bible Says" right on their Website? They distributed FREE anti-Catholic literature for years. Explain that one.

    Webster Tarpley attacks AFP all the time.

    Greg Szymanski was warned by Stadtmiller? Did Stadtmiller admit it?

    Kicked off the air? For what? What was he saying?

  • From what I have read, Webster Tarpley is a proponent of the American Free Press.

    Just like many, if not most, of the hosts on RBN/GCN.

    Greg Szymanski was kicked off during an interview with Eric Jon Phelps.

    Another reason they might not like Szymanski is that he used to be with the AFP, but left.

  • If you don't like persecution of people because of their ethnicity, why don't you speak out against the Catholic persecution of the Jews?

    Crusades, blood libel, Spanish Inquisition?

  • Catholics always criticized the Crusades, including St Francis of Assisi who met Sultan Malik al-Kamil.

    The crusades were for imperial gain NOT Catholic power.

    The Spanish monarchs (not the Pope) created & controlled the Inquisition. They forced the Pope into recognizing it by threatened to withdraw military support at a time when the Turks were threatening Catholic Europe. The Pope conceded.

  • 1215 AD - Fourth Lateran Council - Jews not allowed to hold public office.

    1222 AD - Council of Oxford - Construction of synagogues prohibited.

    1179 AD - Third Lateran Council - Jews not permitted to withhold inheritance from descendants who had accepted Christianity.

  • "1215 AD - Fourth Lateran Council - Jews not allowed to hold public office." Where which Canon says that? What number?

    "1222 AD - Council of Oxford - Construction of synagogues prohibited." What is the exact wording. Quote it.

    "1179 AD - Third Lateran Council - Jews not permitted to withhold inheritance from descendants who had accepted Christianity."

    Where which Canon says that? What number?

  • Pope Sixtus IV condemns the Inquisition:

    "many true and faithful Christians, because of the testimony of enemies, rivals, slaves and other low people—and still less appropriate—without tests of any kind, have been locked up in secular prisons, tortured and condemned like relapsed heretics, deprived of their goods and properties, and given over to the secular arm to be executed, at great danger to their souls, giving a pernicious example and causing scandal to many."

  • 1215 AD - Fourth Lateran Council called upon secular powers to "exterminate all heretics". Many Jews were burned at the stake and/or had their property confiscated.

  • What about all the Popes who defended the Jews including: Gregory I, Calixitus, Clement VI, Leo X & others.

    What about Martin Luther, whose book "The Jews and their Lies" was the Nazi manual for the murder of 6 mil Jews?

    There are a number of questions that I have posed that you have failed to answer. I'm still waiting for your reply.

  • There were good popes, no doubt about it, Clement XIV abandoned the Jesuit order and mysteriosly died the same year (poisoned?). How about you talk about the catholic led Ustashi that killed 800000 orthodox Serbs for not converting into catholicism?What about the cannon law that says it is not a murder to kill a heretic?What about the catholic genocide on canadian natives?You are overseeing so many facts claiming the inquisiton was not a catholic work!Babylon the great, mother of harlots!!

  • Wait, the Nazi Uatashi killed the Serbs for not converting? Then why did Hitler target the Catholic clergy in Poland & kill 3 million POLISH CATHOLICS?

    If Hitler wanted the whole world Catholic, why didn't he murder the Greeks, Norwegians, Romanians...all NON-CATHOLICS under his control?

    Which cannon law? What number?

    Catholic genocide in Canada? Tell us about it. Dates, names, locations, reasons, etc.

  • Are you denying that catholics played any role in the Ustashi genocide?I've read books in russian and german on that topic and there is many scources that. Someone denying that must be really blind. There is plenty evidence for that and is out of question that catholics were involved in the whole movement.

    Concerning the canadian genocide, go to hiddenfromhistory(.)org

  • "Those are not to be accounted homicides who, fired with zeal for Mother Church, may have killed excommunicated persons."

    (Decreti, pars ii. causa xxiii. quaest v. can. xlvii)

  • Or how about the genocide of foster children in New York, that are beeing sold to pharmaceutical companies for AIDS drug tests by catholic institutions??Don't act like the catholic church is so pure and unguilty! Show me please any real non-catholic bible believing christians that would do such horror things!

  • Nice sound bite. Sounds like a giant scandal. I live in New York & haven't heard of it. Names, dates, times, institutions. Let's have them. Proof.

    BTW, where is your proof that the Jesuits wrote the Protocols of Zion? Proof.

  • google "Guinea Pig Kids in AIDS Drugs Trials". There was even a big documentary here in Germany on that topic. No wonder you have no clue whats going on in your town if you're so closed minded.

  • Wow, that is dumb. You think because the ICC is associated with Catholic philanthropy, there are these Catholics experimenting on kids? READ:

    The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) FUNDS the ICC clinic for HIV-positive children, a subunit of the Columbia University Pediatric AIDS Clinical Trials Unit.

    The ICC is Catholic like NY Presbyterian Hospital is Presbyterian & Long Island Jewish Medical Center is Jewish.

  • The ICC is affiliated with the Archdiocese of New York, so yes clearly a catholic institution. I stated before, these experiments were made for pharmaceutical companies in catholics institutions. Would be almight church be against it, she would have stopped the experiments easily, which shi did not. So stop twisting the truth that catholics are not involved.

  • These defenseless kids couldn't run home and cry to mommy - their "mother" is the ACS bureaucracy.

    ACS just unilaterally signed up these kids

    - NY Post, 2/29/04

    Most of the ICC experiments were funded by federal grants and in some cases, pharmaceutical companies. They used city foster children, who were sent to the Catholic Archdiocese-run facility by the Administration for Children's Services.

    - NY Post, 2/29/04

  • Your claims that the ACS is responsible for the tests only is absurd. Did the tests happen in catholic institution? Yes or NO?Did the catholics within those intitution know what harm they are doing? Yes or No?Clearly guilty!!

  • The only thing absurd here is your battle with reality. FACTS of the case: ACS was their guardians. Columbia-PRESBYTARIAN (NY Post, 6/17/05) gave the drugs. Are the Presbyterians guilty?

    The pediatric staff was lied to (NY Post, June 17, 2005). We dont even know if they were Catholic.

    Again, who were the Catholics who knew the kids were being poisoned & what was gained? ANSWER THE QUESTION! NAME THEM NOW!

  • Archdiocese of New York surely knew about these experiments since the ICC is affiliated with it. The drug experiments were also approved by the Catholic Home Bureau.

  • That wasn't the question. What Catholics KNOWLY KNEW THE DRUGS WOULD HARM THE CHILDREN NOT HELP THEM? That's what you imply.

    Again what does the Catholic Church GAIN, From Poisioning children?

    The Catholic Home Bureau knew it was poision not medicine? Explain.

    Have a clue how guardianship in NYC works? My aunt is in a run down Jewish nursing home. Because she has a court appointed guardian I can't more her. I have no rights. Get it junior?

  • Columbia-PRESBYTARIAN Medical Center performed drug experiments on AIDS-stricken foster kids without proper safeguards or consent

    - NY Post, 6/17/05

    Jacqueline Hoerger, a pediatric nurse formerly of Incarnation, told The Post at the time, "We were taught that any symptom we saw was HIV-related.

    - NY Post, June 17, 2005

    So, the ACS PLACED the kids in ICC, Columbia PRESBYTARIAN conducting the experiments & the ICC nurses were lied to yet somehow u blame the Church?

  • As the great New York historian that u are, u must know that sick people are placed in religious institutions all the time by NY State govt. My Alzheimer ailing aunt was placed in a Jewish home last year without approval.

    Why would the Catholic Church want to abuse 50 foster kids? Whats gained? Name the Catholics who knowingly knew the kids were only going to get sick from these drugs & permitted it.

    Those kids are in ICC, is because the Church provides 25% of GLOBAL AIDS services.

  • go to guineapigkids(.)com and watch the documentary with testimonies!!

  • Back to Ustashi. All 12 croatian catholic bishops supported Ante, only one bishop dared to criticize the regime. Minister of Education and Cults Mile Budak declared "The movement of the Ustashi is based on religion. For the minorities we have three million bullets. We shall kill one part of the Serbs, expell the second part, and covert to Catholicism the third part of them ".

  • Name the 12 bishops. in fact Croatia has 106 "Righteous among the Nations" Catholics who saved Jews.

    Polish Catholic have the most at 6,135, & Poland was the only nation where Poles (Catholics) were killed for protecting Jews. You did'nt anser my question. Why did Hitler kill 3 million Catholis in Poland, Catholis in France, Ukraine, etc. if he wanted the world to be Catholic? What your answer?

  • Hitler didn't care for catholics as the church doesn't give a damn about their sheeps. Even before his aledged death, Hitler claimed to be a good catholic. Why else would he discharge over 300 Jesuits from military duty?It is not about catholicsm but rather a world domination, that can be named as mystery religion or NWO. Catholicsm will fall one day and probably replaced by a masonic ruled New Age religion, widely proclaimed now by guys like Icke, Maxwell,Tsarion.

  • So, why didn't the Pope warn Catholics against fighting Hitler? Catholics the world over were very loyal at that time. Poland, all of France, Latin America, Spain would have joined the war. The Phillipinos would not have resisted the Japs, Catholic Italians, Mexicans, Poles, Irish in the US would have been a 5th column, and would have doged the military draft, ala Vietnam. Mexico and French Canada would have overrun the US.

    You realize the world was mostly Catholic at the time don't you?

  • i personally do not believe it was about spreading catholizism, but rather an establishment of world structure that would benefit thesese cults for the NWO and of course a reason for creating the latin kingdom of jerusalem aka israel.

  • What? You just contradited your whole aurgument. Because your argument is falling apart.

    "latin kingdom of jerusalem aka israel"

    What on earth are talking about now?!

  • The whole concept of WWII was not particulary spreading catholicism but killing minorities as jews and other believers, to blame it on fascism to establish the "lost kingdom of jerusalem"!!

    Read Eric Phelps, he has a lot more info on that.

  • Phelps?!!! You just condemned the New Age! Phelps is a New Ager, a White racist, Zionist , & Diamond dealer to power elites! You recommend him!!!

    What's your position on the Palestinian occupation?

  • Did you read any of the Phelps' works? He clearly states that the gov of Israel is evil and masonic, same with most of the arab leaders. I do not support his racial or palestinian views, nevertheless, calling him a zionist&diamond dealer is an old joke!

  • Im sure he criticizes the govt. of Israel the way his pal Chamish does, for being too liberal with the Palestinians.

    It's a joke he's a zionist diamond dealer? From his Lowvehm website:

    "Israeli cutters being the best in the world, we order direct from Tel Avivs world famous Diamond district."

    I guess the joke is on the countires of Zaire, Congo & Liberia where these diamonds come from. Naturally they don't benefit from these diamond sales. Did u mention genocide?

  • Would you be reading or listening to any of his shows, you would hear him claiming that the israeli government is involved in genocides on arabic as well as on the jewish side. Go and better read some of his artclies about the palestinian coflict.

  • "I am of the fifth category of Zionists."

    I've read him. Where do u think I got the above. Right from the horses ass. Does he oppose the occupation, favor 1 or 2 state solution, yes or no?

    You try to prove that Hitler was a Vatican project because so called Catholic Croatians (most Croat leaders were married to Jewesses) tried to convert Serbs as proof he wanted the world to be ALL catholic. In the same breath u claim he could care less who was Catholic, in fact u admit he killed them.

  • No i claim that Hitler was a Vatican project because of catholic influence (Kaas, Von Papen) in his empowerment and his concordat with the Vatican together with Mussolini.

  • Nonsense. There was no Catholic influence on Hitler. Why no mention of Hitlers Protestant bishop Müller who signed a similar pact, & signed 700,000 Evangelical Youth over to the Hitler Youth?

    What about the Haavara agreement & the 4 powers pact signed between UK, France & Germany?

    U only see (what U perceive as) Catholic wrongdoing? U need help.

    The Nazi regime was the only government to investigate the Antinomian Cathari cult suppressed by the Pope in Languedoc.

  • My question is still open, do you want to debate EJP? I would love to see that happening, so you can enlighten us all how good the catholics are.

  • U have no answers here, U think youll have them there?

    Cant fight your own battles? Need your friends? I work full time & study at night; Im 51, with medical problems & no computer. You have 2 choices. Answer the questions or dont bother writing, U wont be answered.

    Here are some charming people like yourself. Wikipedia them:

    Pillar of Fire Church, Branford Clarke, The Ku Klux Klan In Prophecy.

  • Do you admit then that the Jesuits and the SMOM play a huge role in world political affairs?

  • No pal. No more questions for me. Love debating? Answer the dozen or so excusations you've made on this page or move along.

    Don't like Catholics? Go visit a VFW, American Legion or Catholic War Veterans hall & tel those brave men they didn't fight Hitler. Let me know what hospital they put u in.

    BTW, the greatest anti-Fascist of WWII Charles de Gaulle was raised in a devout Roman Catholic family. His Free French saved my Catholic father in WWII.

  • How about that Alex Jones starts talking about the Vatican's and Jesuits connection to the NWO?

    Has he been infiltrated by the "oligarchs" now as well?

    /watch?v=Wbe0DbikRMg&feature=p­layer_embedded

  • Start? Alex was on Republic and Genesis both of which distributed thousands if not millions of FREE (who financed it?) copies of anti-Catholic material, so he has been nominally associated with Catholic critics/bashers, nothing new. Also, he's been selling that guy Pinto's movie for months, maybe yrs.

    Obviously hes not a Catholic agent as Phelps, Richards, etc. preach, right?

    So we can finally lay that goofiness to rest. Alex is no wafer eatin, papist agent? Right? Lol?

  • Alex is wrong about the modern Church. The modern Popes have reached out to other religions not to merge with them, but to have religious peace.

    The Church knows the British oligarchs use religious warfare to divide the people. The Church is outflanking them by reaching out to Muslims & Jews, & encouraging those religions to continue to exist. Alex admits to that, then criticizes the Church for reaching out.

    I pay Pinto no mind, & wouldn't waste a dime on those crazy films.

  • Its no mistake that in the middle of a world crisis that these characters (Pinto) would be crawling out of the sewers to divide the people up. Its the same old superstitions, Xenophobia, Know Nothingism, Chinique, Illuminati, etc.

    Alex knows that. That's why he keeps saying it. He just can't get past this omni-powerful, omni-present Illuminati bs & recognize the true "Open Conspiracy" as HG Wells plainly showed.

    Like many on the Right he's stuck in a primative dualism that goes nowhere

  • Alex would be better off dumping Ron Paul, Icke, Marrs & this guy, & read The Role of the Venetian Oligarchy in Reformation, Counter-Reformation, Enlightenment, and the Thirty Years War by Tarpley.

    Hed get more out of that 1 article, than he would out of the tons of crap he is obviously paying attention to.

    He's trying to include every theory out there either for selfish reasons (sales, I hope not) or he's confused. Sad to say it maybe a little of both.

  • BTW, the Albigensians were far from babes in the woods. Their elite practiced an extreme form of anti-Nomianism. Nazi Germany was the only nation to investigate their stomping grounds in France.

    Look, want to see the church at work? See the video of Sister Giovanna, who provides refuge for villagers fleeing the murdering Christian Lord's Resistance Army.

    Google: Nun Offers Refuge from Violence in Sudan

    Or is she a NWO/ illuminati/Nazi/wafer eatin/papist/ romanist too? Lol.

  • I don't need my friends to support my "war", since there won't be any winner anyway, it's just that i love debates and EJP is a lot more competent that i am in catholic matters.

  • Right, u need EJP. But he can't help you. Everyone knows Phelps game. He's here to have Catholics, Protestants, Jews & Muslims rip each other apart while the Oligarchs go on there merry way. Old British trick of divide & conquer.

    Here in the US the Knownothings, KKK, Black Legion, Silver Shirts spread anti-Catholicism, anti-semitism & racism in service to Wall St.

    Take my advice. Listen to Tarpley on GNC weekly & read his stuff. Forget Richards, EJP, Alamo(Hoffman) & the other cowards.

  • What exactly does this mean, he powers the elite?How in all can he be powering the elites, when he is exposing most of the corrupt american structures, by pointing out that they are led by the SMOM and the Jeuits?

  • Read more carefully. I didn't say he powers the elite. I said he was a diamond dealer to power elites. Being a working person I know of few working people who can afford a diamond purchase, under Phelps rules. From Lowvehm:

    "All sales are final. No refunds are given for any reason except for goods damaged in shipment." - Eric Jon Phelps

    Real man of the people.

    The KOM have had a German tongue which is Protestant & Catholic since Elizabeth I. SMOM is pro-Catholic? Not quite.

  • The Ustase were motivated by nationalism, not religion. This is why they spared Croatian Muslims. The Pope never recognized the Ustase regime & snubbed it's leader, driving him into a rage.

    Cardinal Stepinac defended Jews: "It is not permissible to persecute Gypsies or Jews because they are thought to be an inferior race."

    A. Shomrony personal secretary of the CHIEF RABBI in Zagreb stated that he considered Stepinac blessed since he did the most and the best he could for the Jews.

  • quote wiki:The Ustaše regime had sent large amounts of gold that it had plundered from Serbian and Jewish property owners during World War II into Swiss banks.Of a total of 350 million Swiss Francs, about 150 million was seized by British troops; however, the remaining 200 millionreached the Vatican. Allegations exist that it's still being kept in the Vatican Bank. This was reported by the American intelligence agency SSU in October 1946.

  • Yes, fascist elements in the Church loyal to the Dulles brothers (pro-Nazi Americans) did this. They were opposed by the future Pope Paul VI, (Giovanni Montini) & others. Read online: Time to Rid America Of the Dulles Complex'.

    Again, what about the Serbian, Norwegian, Romanian & other Nazi regimes? They were OK? Only Catholic Nazis were bad?

    BTW, isn't Phelps a White racialist like Hitler?

  • I don't care if some cardinals are defending the jews in public, that doesn't mean anything if government officials say a different story!Eye witnesses are there!Thousands of testimonies can be found claiming that ustashi murderes were on par with catholic priests? Is it easy for you to ignore that?

  • Some cardinals? Stepinac was the cardinal! Hailed by the Jews you claim to defend. U don't even believe them.

    What about NON CATHOLIC NAZI Milan Nedic regime, the Serbian State Guard, the Serbian Volunteer Corps?

    What about the Non CATHOLIC Iron Guard in Romanian? What about Nazi Protestant Norwegian leader Quisling? Son of a Church of Norway pastor Jon Lauritz Quisling?

    You sir seem to be a very fanatic catholic, hater trying to defend your hatred at all costs.

  • Stepinac was found guilty for cooperating with the Ustashi regime and was sentenced for 16 years in prison. Another good cardinal?

  • Stepinac was arrested on May 17, 1945, by Communist Tito & released following day. After he ojected to the Communist regime he was rearrested on false charges. I guess u believe the communists but not the Jews who defended him. Sorry for you.

    Hey here's I guy I think you'll like - Ludwig Müller.

  • Hell, there is even video materials here on tube, how ustashi soldiers are blessed by catholics and baptizing serbs. You sir seem to be a very fanatic catholic, trying to defend your pagan religion of all costs.

  • Papal represantative Guiseppe Ramiro Marcone conducted the mass baptism in Croatia, while the Ustashi armies were plundering and killing in small units lead by catholic priests.

    Is that the way "real" christians act?Show me some bible quotes that legitimate crusades, holy wars, inquisition, icon worship, christmas,sunday worship,confession to a man.

  • Concerning Canadian genocide: Over 50000 native children died of mistreatment and medical experiments in catholic residential schools over a period of 60-70 years. An eye witness speaks of a catholic priest taking a baby and throwing it alive in a furnace. Another christian way of ministry you would say?There is many such stories. I would be ashamed beeing a catholic, really!!!

  • So where are these eye witnesses?

    So you are ashamed of Sophie & Hans Scholl, Bishop von Galen, Irena Sendler, Fr. Adam Sztark, SJ, Hugh O'Flaherty, Blessed Martyrs of Nowogrodek, the 152 Polish Jesuits, Maximilian Kolbe, Giovanni & Giuseppe Palatucci, Jacques de Jesus, Michael von Faulhaber, Konrad von Preysing, Bernhard Lichtenberg, Franz Jägerstätter, etc.

    Have a clue who any of these people are? No? U know the Ustashi though, don't u?

  • Did i say that Hitler didn't kill any catholics? Of course he did, even jesuits. RCC doesn't care about it's good sheeps and will sacrifice them in every case needed to establish it's world power. Show me any official RCC quotes, stating that the SMOM is not catholic and is not affiliated with them in any way! If KOM is Knights of Malta, so there have their origins in Knights Hospitallers in Jerusalem.

  • Certainly SMOM wraps itself in the Church for cover. Heard of Sedevacantists, Conclavists, Traditionalists?

    Most say the Pope is the Anti-Christ & they are the true Catholics. 1 tried to kill the Pope. They are loyal to oligarchy not to any religion.

    "For the love of money (not the Pope) is the root of all evil" 1 Timothy 6:10

    Plenty of official quotes produced by the 1951 Pius XII commission of Cardinals charged to reform (or suppress) the Order & forbid them a Grand Master.

  • How Catholic is an order where:

    few members profess vows

    a schismatic (the Czar of Russia), was elected Grand Master

    Anglican Knights (Masons) are received by the Grand Master?

    For years the 4 Orders of Malta most of them non-Catholic have worked together.

  • You want eye witnesses?hiddenfromhistory(.)­org

    You ask how roman church is pagan?Are you serious?Most of the catholic doctrines have pagan origins, even christmas was a pagan roman holiday Saturnalia, worshipping saturn. Friedrich Nitsche said ones "The church is exactly what Jesus has warned us about".Jesus taught an inner religion without priests, popes, dogmas or ceremonies- 1. corinthian 3, 16

  • From YOUR "witness" website:

    Euro-Canadian Christian society as a whole stands condemned

    Time and again, the Catholic and Protestant churches subverted peaceful relations

    II. Spiritually: Disestablishment of the Roman Catholic, Anglican and United Church of Canada

    Your own source disproves your point. Canada was (is) ruled by the British.

    Native Americans were slaughtered by a majority Protestant America, which also discriminated against Catholics.

    Whats your point?

  • The artrocities that were done to canadian natives were mostly perpetrated in catholic homes! That is fact! I am not defending protestants since it is also a fact that the anglican churches were infiltrated by Jesuits since 19th cen. and are differ from the evangelical church. Watch Jesuit Infiltration on youtube.

  • Mostly Catholic homes? Prove it.

    AGAIN, how did the Church benefit from this? Why didnt the UK authorities stop it & since when do Catholics have power in a UK nation?

    The American Indian was murdered by Protestant (not all Anglican) US. That is fact! Your point?

    Anglicans infiltrated by Catholics? LOL. Until recently it was illegal in the UK NOT to celebrate Guy Faukes Day (anti-Catholic holiday) & their Church has a Mass celebrating James Is salvation from Gunpowder plot.

  • Its not Biblical. God gave no date. The 25th may have been deemed suitable because of its proximity to the winter solstice. After that date the days start to become longer, the beginning of a season of light entering the world (John 1:5). The summer solstice-after which the days start to get shorter-falls near June 24, when the Church celebrates the birth of John the Baptist, who declared of Christ, "He must increase, but I must decrease" (John 3:30). BTW, Protestants celebrate the 25th too.

  • I asked you what? Christmas? Getting desperate now. No Christmas is not Saturnalia.

    U Like Nietzsche or Nitsche? Heres a quote for you:

    That one had better put on gloves before reading the New Testament. The presence of so much filth makes it very advisable. One would as little choose early Christians for companions as Polish Jews: not that one need seek out an objection to them — neither has a pleasant smell. - The Antichrist (1888)

  • Christmas is Saturnalia! Show me one biblical passage that says Christ was born on 25th!

  • If you really want serious studies on Vatican led NWO, go to z10(.)invisionfree(.)com/The_U­nhived_Mind_II/index(.)php?act­=idx

  • So so far we have at least TWO admitted and proven genocides led by the catholics alone in the last century not to speak about the millions christians and other innocent people killed in the inquisition. Still you would swear the catholic church is holy? while catholic priests are torturing, abusing and killing small children.

  • What are the TWO admitted, proven genocides in the last century?

    The inquisition was aimed to destroy the Church and Catholic monarchs like Alfonso X. Alfonso X who was called the King of the 3 religions, Judaism, Islam, Christianity (Catholicism) rule a kingdom of equality for all 3 faiths & the great Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa penned "On the Peace of Faiths". against the enemies of progress in church teaching.

    Read, Torquemada, the Inquisition, and the expulsion of the Jews by Tim Rush.

  • I would even claim that 99.99% of all historians would say the inquisition was a job of the roman church. I'm not going to discuss some books that claim different. On most all depicted inquistion processes you can see catholic clerics receiving testimonies. Infiltrated church?Inquisition was not a catholic doctrine?I think i brought you the Canon Law quotes for that.What historical proof do you have that the church was not behind the inquisition?

  • 99.99%? Lol, wow are you 99.99% sure of that? All you have to do is read the article I mention previously & Toward a New Council of Florence by Wertz, Cusa's "On the Peace of Faith, as I have mention before there are numerous Popes who defended Jews & heretics at that time.

  • Every school and university teaches that. So yes i'm even 100% sure.

  • Wow! You mean establishment schools? Those unbias sourses of information?

    You mena places like Yale University where George Bush & his whole family were members of the satanic Skull & Bones? Bob Jone U. where Goege W. & Catholic Basher Ian Paisley were given awards?

    You mena MIT where the Petagon has contrats to develope WMDs for your NWO?

    Those schools and Universities?

  • No every historian faculty and schools here in Germany teaches that.

  • Right and they don't teach the establishment version of history in Germany only in the rest of the world....right!

    Like the The Frankfurt School!???

  • You say you would be ashamed to be catholic.

    Well I am proud of Catholic trained Charles De Gaulle, & the Free French, Giovanni Palatucci, Giuseppe Maria Palatucci, Carlo Sestieri, the 108 Blessed Polish Martyrs, Maximilian Kolbe, Edith Stein, Franz JŠgerstŠtter, Bernhard Lichtenberg, Sophie and Hans Scholl & the White Rose, Bishop Galen, the 152 Jesuit priests killed for resisting Hitler & my CATHOLIC father & 2 uncles who liberate Europe & YOUR country from the Pagan Hitler!

  • Good for you, maybe one day you'll find out that catholizism has pagan roots also and it's doctrines are unbiblical. So many catholic pedophile rings are beeing caught in the act. I clearly cannot understand how you can be proud of something like that. I am not a protestant nor do i belong to any religious group, but all i see is that catholic churches are murders, child abuser and clearly not bible believing!!

  • What pedophile rings are you talking about? In the U.S. it has been proven that in fact, most cases were betwen men & post pubesant males. It was a Gay sex scandal not a pedophile scandal. Of course the pro-Gay PC media in the U.S. couldn't have that, so they made it a pedophile scandal.

    The Church is pagan? Really? You should see this Youtube vid: Trailer Catholic Paradox: The Story of Alex Jones This guy Jones thought like u. Look at him now.

    What murders?

  • Concerning pedophile rings, go and read what a former NYPD detective has to say about these rings, how he investigated them and how they are linked with the vatican. He was even on Greg Szymanski's show stating that cardinall Spellman was deeply involved in killing lots of young boys.

  • The name of the detecitve is by the way Jim Rothstein, who investigated huge pedophilia scandals in the 70-80ies finding explicit links to the catholic church.

  • Really? From the Vatican to NYC? Im 51, when did these scandals take place? Name the cases. What are the names of the kids killed? Otherwise Rothstein is bearing false witness & thats a sin (Exodus 20:16).

    BTW, has Rothstein contacted Mary Murphy (PIX NEW NY) about her investigation into wide scale abuse of boys in the Orthodox Jewish community? Im sure u know about this. Since youre so concerned with New Yorks children.

  • Ignorant bigots used to (and still do) claim that Jews kidnap gentile children on Purim to bake their blood into cakes. Old story.

    BTW, the Nazis were trying priests on trumped up sex abuse scandals with kids also. Again an old story.

    You can twist the facts to fit your demented bigoted agenda, but the facts dont lie. Dont waste my time with foolishness.

  • I don't have time to answer to every point, but if you are willing to debate EJP on libertyradiolive, maybe we can arange something. Would be surely an interesting thing to do.

  • Besides Charles Chinique as many other priests have sworn up from the mother church because they have realized it is the wrong church!!No doubt there are good catholics, but imao they are missleaded.

  • No, only Chinique made certain claims which are backed up by no one. He claims to have had conversations with President Lincoln which never happened. This is confirmed by the President's son, members of his cabnet & biographers.

    Chinique was in fact a Catholic apologist who was caught committing a crime & was booted out. Hey, u brought up pedophiles...maybe he was one of them.

    Out of anger he wrote his silly book.

  • Lincoln was a friend of Chinique, thats a fact! What crime are you talking about?He was excommunicated for slandering bishops, his alledged sexual harassment was never proven nor was ever convicted for anything! Does his son really knows about every single letter Lincoln wrote or about any private conversation with sbdy?Think logically, will your children know about every single email you wrote?

  • Chiniquy hired Lincoln for the trial Spink v. Chiniquy in which Spink brought the charge of slander, not immorality. The church was not involved.

    No, but Im not president! Heard of presidential libraries where presidential papers are meticulously preserved?

    The Abraham Lincoln Association published Lincoln's collected writings in 1953. The nine-volume edition contained no reference to Chiniquy or his claims regarding Lincoln's comments about the Pope, Jesuits, and the Catholic Church.

  • "To [y]our 1st question whether in our studies on the life of Lincoln we came upon the charge that 'the assasination of President Lincoln was the work of Jesuits', we answer that we have read such a charge in a lengthy newspaper publication.

    To your 2nd question, viz: 'If you did come across it, did the accusation seem to you to be entirely groundless?', we answer Yes.

    It seemed to us so entirely groundless as not to merit any attention on our part."

    - John G. Nicolay, Lincoln's PS

  • In 1922 Robert Todd Lincoln was questioned about Chiniquys claims. The reply was emphatic:

    "I do not know of any literature in which my father is quoted as attacking Catholics and the Catholic Church"

    Chiniquy was no friend of Lincoln, But Lincoln & Catholic Archbishop Hughes were dear friends.

    Funny, the only person defending a sexually active priest (Chiniquy) in this conversation is u, a Catholic hater. The poor women he abused were to ashamed to come forward.

  • Chiniquy was sexually active and abused women?Prove it!

  • No problem. In a letter dated May 7, 1851 Bishop Bourget, gave Chiniquy instructions before he set out on a temprence crusade. Amoungst others were:

    take strict precautions in your relations with persons of the opposite sex

    They could bearly control him. Talk about a sex pervert priest! This was the same year in which Catholic apologist Chiniquy said:

    Protestantism is fed on lies.

    So save your breath, he was not at odds with the Church at this time. Now that's proof!

  • BTW, since Chiniquy was a priest in Canada during the years of these Catholic run atrocities you keep mentioning, why no mention of them in his book?

    I notice you promote the Fall of the Republic. U realize that Webster Tarpley is prominent in that film?

    U realize he exposes Luther in The Role of the Venetian Oligarchy in Reformation, Counter-reformation, Enlightenment, and the Thirty Years War? Keep promoting that film & Webster.

  • I do not promote the Fall of the Republic, even though it's a good movie, it doesn't reveal the whole truth. Alex Jones is a fraud!! You should know that!Why would he sencor every comment on his page about jesuits, SMOM, calling even the great Bill Cooper a crazy alcoholic!

  • No, the inquisition was did not favor the Church of Rome, in fact it was the opposite. Read for free online: Spain's The American

    Also read: The Role of the Venetian Oligarchy in Reformation, Counter-reformation, Enlightenment, and the Thirty Years War

    Phelps never said:

    "I am a Zionist"

    "The beloved Hebrew/Jewish/Israelites people have a right to live in their promised land,"

    "I am of the fifth category of Zionists."

    Did he say these things?

  • Answer me one question, do you see catholic representatives on pictures when people are beeing tortured in the process of inquisition?Yes or No? Do most of the historians agree, that the Inquisition was a roman catholic doctrine? I would say yes, and you can't prove different.

  • Sure. The Church has always been infiltrated by enemies. Such was the case of the Inquisition. They even killed a SAINT Joan of Arc.

    Proof? Read HISTORIAN Tim Rushs Torquemada, the Inquisitin, & the Expulsion of the Jews & Spains The American, free online. The Churche's best critics were Catholic. Heard of Dante?

    Most historians believe 911 was done by Arabs, Oswald killed JFK, the A bomb saved Allied lives, the Vietnamese attacked US ships, etc. Were they right?

  • You are speaking of the Spanish Inquisition and the monarch influence within it but clearly forgetting the papal inquisition which started long before that. You are bringing only one book as your proof that the inquisition is not catholic? Ridiculous! Read uppon the Ad extirpanda from Pope Innocent IV in 1252 which allowed the use of torture by the inquisition!

  • No I provided u with 2 sources that dispute who ran the Inquisition. Read carefully.

    BTW, ONLY ONE book claims Chiniquy was a friend of Lincolns, his own. My advice to u, stop counting.

    Again, the Inquisition was politically motivated & killed great Catholics like Joan of Arch. You like Wikipedia right? Read:

    The trial of heresy was politically motivated.

    Inquisitions, crusades, damaged the Church. Thats why saints like Francis of Assisi tried to stop the killing.

  • I guess you are bending your arguments to fit your claims. I mentioned the papal-episcopal-medieval inquisition that was started about 300 years before Joan Arc was killed. No arguments about it? Papal bull from 1184 was written in favor of the oligarchs?Yeah right....

  • Yeah, 300 years before Joan Arc was killed the oligarchs of the the Most Serene Republic of Venice weren't infiltrating the Church & the rest of Europe for their own gain. Yeah right...

    Right, the Bible is wrong it's the love of the Pope(LOL) not "money (1 Timothy 6:10, KJV) that's the root of all evil. Yeah right...

  • The bible doesn't say anything about worshipping the pope or any church as the temple of god is within ourselves, it even forbids worshipping men or icons. Pope calling himself the vicar of christ is biblical?How can a man claim himself godlike?Sounds more like a cult to me

  • Right it doesn't say that. But you say it constantly!

    The Bible says greed(1 Timothy 6:10, KJV) ...the greed that motivates oligarchs of every religion, race, nationality the world over is the root of evil.

    U think Benedict is the only Pope in the world? There are no orthodox Popes?

    Heard of Elizabeth II? She is sovereign of the Anglican Church, United Kingdom & the Knights of Malta.

    Ever visit Anglican St John the Divine in NYC? Talk about a satanic cult.

  • 800.000 dead serbs is a genocide! You can even find o-tones of croatian officials on wikipedia claiming their plan is to kill and convert orthodox serbs. Seccond one is the genocide of canadian natives, you can find testimonies by even catholics. That topic was even brought up in the vatican after a demonstration to recognize the genocide.

  • So, the Pope said I need Hitler to convert some Serbs, then I need him to kill 3 mil Polish (best in Europe) Catholics, while I need him to spare non-Catholics in Romania, Greece, Norway, Denmark, to establish world power? Explain.

    BTW, Im assuming Catholics who resisted Hitler are good sheep ?

    You realize they were inspired from the top by their Cardinals like von Galen (sermons at Saint Lamberts), & their Pope Pius XI (Mit Brennender Sorge)? How could that be? Explain.

  • How come those good sheeps weren't so inspired by Pope Pius XII?Good pope and bad pope?Pius XII never publicly condemned the Nazi massacre of 1.8 - 1.9 million mainly Catholic Polish gentiles!

    It is not about spreading catholizism but establishing a world united religion. Jon Paul II was speaking about the unity of all religions and even invited all the leaders to unite under one banner of spirituality!WOW that is pure New Age that Alice Bailey and Alister Crowley were talking about.

  • They were. When Angelo Roncalli, the future Pope John XIII was thanked for saving thousands of Jews he said: " "In all these painful matters I have referred to the Holy See and simply carried out the Pope's orders: first and foremost to save Jewish lives."

    When The Pope learned of Poland, he issued in secret, Opere et caritate urging bishops to do what they could to save Polish Jews & Catholics. Even camp inmates said that public condemnations of the Nazis by the Pope hurt them more.

  • Lol! What did JPII say that even resembles anything said by the Exclusive Brethren trained Satanic Masonic British agent Aleister Crowley or the Anglican trained British aristocrat Alice Bailey?

  • The Vatican admitted it slaughtered the Serbs? Where? Wait a minute. You said the church doesnt care what religion they kill. You admit the Nazis who you claim were run by the Catholics killed 3 million Polish Catholics right? So why do you keep bringing up the Serbians?

    3 mil Poles is 3 times the Serbs & since Germany was 2/3 Protestant then most of the killing was done by Protestants. Right?

    EVEN YOUR ESTABLISHMENT HISTORIANS ADMIT, CATHOLICS SAVED 800,000 JEWS? Right?

  • "For the duration of the war, the Vatican kept up full diplomatic relations with the Ustaša state (granting Pavelić an audience), with its papal nuncio in the capital Zagreb. The nuncio was briefed on the efforts of religious conversions to Roman Catholicism. After the Second World War was over, the Ustaše who had managed to escape from Yugoslav territory (including Pavelić) were smuggled to South America."

  • No. Pius XII refused to greet Pavelic, never recognized the Croatian state & did not receive a Croatian representative. Pavelic left Rome in an insulted rage. The Popes Croatian representative Archbishop Marcone, worked to save Jews.

    Your source of information seems to be limited to Wikipedia, Phelps rants & Chick comic books. BTW, Chicks favorite author Avro Manhattan was a Knight of Templar, Savoy, Mercedes & MALTA! Surprise! That what his friends say about him.

  • "It is widely alleged that this was done through rat lines which were operated by members of the organization who were Catholic priests and who had previously secured positions at the Vatican. Members of the Illyrian College of San Girolamo in Rome were reputedly involved in this: friars Krunoslav Draganović, Petranović, and Dominik Mandić."

  • They were nominally Catholic & Nazis. Top Ustase leaders had Jewish wives. Unthinkable for Catholic extremists at that time. The Romanian Iron Guard, Chetnik Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland (symbol is Masonic Skull & Bones), Serbian State Guard, Serbian Volunteer Corps - all Orthodox Christian & all Nazis.

    Orthodox Christianity was an essential component of Romanian fascist ideology

    Again, your point is?

  • The Protocols are a Jesuit forgery? Prove it.

    "The Secrets of the Elders of Bourg-Fontaine are by the Jesuits? Prove it.

  • There is no proof that Martin Luther wrote that evil book. He could never have written that piece of trash. Hitler used the "protocolls of the elderers of zion", a Jesuit forgery from the times of the Dreyfuss affair. Jesuits used a similar fraud 100 years earlier in the "The Secrets of the Elders of Bourg-

    Fontaine "

  • He sure did. Even his church admits it:

    "It is imperative for the Lutheran Church, which knows itself to be indebted to the work and tradition of Martin Luther, to take seriously also his anti-Jewish utterances, to acknowledge their theological function, and to reflect on their consequences. It has to distance itself from every [expression of] anti-Judaism in Lutheran theology."

    On the 60th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the Lutheran Church of Bavaria, November 1998