Proof of a Governing Body in the bible. Watchtower Video

[YhwhKhaiMostHigh]

JW doctrine are full of holes. When you try to teach them truth straight out of the bible they keep their hands over their eyes and refuse to see it. They want to remain blind to the garbage theology of their organization.

[johnnydbt]

@YhwhKhaiMostHigh PLEASE I BEG OF YOU, TELL ME A teaching that has holes in it

[YhwhKhaiMostHigh]

@johnnydbt Where the heck have you been? JW's false doctrines & failed prophesies by the pathetic "governing body" has been successfully debunked all over YT. Even ur fellow JWs know about them because they scury to all of them trying to redeem the WT cult. I can't repeat all of them here, but have you watched any of the Snarkieapologists' videos? He tears up this cult in threads as does the other so-called apostates of this cult religion. Get a grip and think for yourself. It's here!

[ViCe1986]

Yes, the governing body is the Holy Apostleship of Jesus Christ.

[ilovetruth777]

The truth is there is no letter "J" in the Hebrew alphabet. It is impossible that the name of God is Jehovah. You are being deceived by your preachers! They hide you the truth! You want to know when and how that name JEHOVAH existed? Log on to -theoldpath .tv- You have the right to know! Do not waste your money, effort, time and soul to a name of god not anywhere found in the original bible translations...If there is no Bro Eli Soriano then we will be all victim of lies! Glory to God---

[whitelight6970]

watchtower is a cult, and all those idiots follow it like they dnt have their own brain to think with they follow man not god they are like a highschool click i hope they all burn in hell for wht they do i have seen them destroy lives and its sick so they can take tht watchtower and drop dead they WILL be exposed soon enough and then the watchtower will be something of the PAST

[murderboytje]

@whitelight6970

It isnt officialy called Watchtower anymore in first place: Its the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses now.

It also isnt a cult: Just look at all definition of cults, it doesnt fits!

We JW think as much as everyone else does, well a lot more then those!!

We all have our own brain and dont get brainwashed at all. We are almost the only people on earth that want to follow God.

[YhwhKhaiMostHigh]

@murderboytje "We all have our own brain and dont get brainwashed at all." So have you ever used your brain, studied on your own and came up with a different view other than what was taught to you? If not, you're not using your brain because how in the heck can every JW see everything the same way? What will happen if you just wanted to study the bible alone without their brainwashing materials? What role does the Holy Spirit play in your life as a JW?

[ABUEVALARRY]

@whitelight6970 We JW's don't argue, we're just following the Bible. If you you have any problems about Us, Study the Bible with all of heart, soul so that you can compare Us & apostates talking. Jehovah Bless You

[peterm3964]

JEhovahs' people dont have an army , They dont conquer foreign countries . They dont sell guns to both sides of a conflict . They don't make pornographic videos and play them to their children on saturday mornings . They don't throw you in jail for failing to pay a injust fine . They dont judge ANYBODY .They dont abuse each other or lie or cheat. They dont hold up liquor stores . They dont sell poison to your neighbors kids .They just try to teach the TRUTH, AS JESHUA the Annointed taught

[SpecialPioneerSmerf]

@peterm3964 You have no proof you are Jehovah's people. Under the rulership of the MEN of the Printing Corporation known as the Governing Body in Bethel NewYork, your are forbidden to receive life saving bloodtransfusions, even letting your children die for this doctrine. You are also instructed to shun family, friends and children who are ex-JWs, ripping families apart, under threat of being shunned yourself. You have no rights to question the WT rulership, and must remain a slave to these men.

[peterm3964]

@SpecialPioneerSmerf By the FRUIT the tree is known

[SpecialPioneerSmerf]

@peterm3964 Pedophilia cover-ups, false prophecy, un-natural affection, death for Man made doctrine... YES THE FRUIT IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE!

[peterm3964]

@SpecialPioneerSmerf I watched a couple of the vids on your site . there is a lot of hurt inside those peple . Does that mean ALL JW are bad ? Of course not . I am sorry if I have offended you I am just saying that there is alot of really kind people in the JWs

[SpecialPioneerSmerf]

@peterm3964 No offense taken. Lets set the record strait, no one is claiming ALL JWs are bad (if anyone is then they are wrong). What is bad is what they have to do, the shunning, the indoctrination, the subservience to their leadership, etc etc, and that is what most videos focus on. Even GOOD JWs will harm and do harmful actions based on their beliefs. The leadership silences any criticism, shuns, demonizes, ex-JWs that is the main reason we have so many videos, you don't have freedom as a JW.

[donsuave2012]

THEY ARE LIKE DISNEY-  CHANGE THE STORY UNDER THEIR ''BRAND OF TRUTH'' THEY ARE' COUNTRY CORN FLACES' COMPARED TO' ORGANIC CORN.' ITJUST PROCESSED SPIRITUAL FOOD. NOT WHOLE SPIRITUAL FOOD AT ALL. SELLING THE'' JEHOVAH BRAND.'' IT'S ALL ABOUT TRIBAL CONTROL, RULE BY ELITE FAMILIES. SILENT THE OPPOSERS OF THEIR BRAND.

[torrents4u2c]

What is looked for in a stewards is for a man(or organization) to be found faithful. Was this the historical case with the WTS? Did the WTS condemn the UN and also be part of it? Was the WTS faithful in not naming a date when they knew that no man knows the date of the end of this system?

[torrents4u2c]

Jeremiah Class, give me a break. Yes the early disciples were eager for God’s kingdom to be established but they didn’t name dates. The disciples wanted to be on Jesus’ right hand but they didn’t claim that you had to go through them to reach Christ. The WTS cannot say they are free from accusations as a steward of God.  Can they claim they are faithful?

[torrents4u2c]

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The Christian congregation is required to keep the wicked man from among themselves. Have you heard how the WTS protects child molesters within the organization? They will disfellowship someone if they vocally disagree with the organization but protect sexual deviates.

[torrents4u2c]

The WTS does not allow independent Bible study. Even reading the Bible in groups without WTS study guides can result in a person being removed from the organization. The puzzle that is formed by your study of the Bible is a puzzle put together by the WTS and has nothing to do with reality. The accurate truth is hidden from the WTS.

[estudiantedelaBiblia]

Actually there was a Governing Body in the 1st century. It was called the Sanhedrin! The great council at Jerusalem, consisting of the seventy one members, viz. scribes, elders, prominent members of the high priestly families and the high priest, the president of the assembly.

Investigate and see that Saul (Not yet Paul) received "letters" and authority from this "body of elders" in Jerusalem, to persecute the Apostate sect known as "the Way". (COMPARE Act 4:5; 5:21; 6:12)

[eternityandforever]

The Watchtower Society is the "Slave" of Jesus mentioned in Matthew 24:45-47. Jesus said he would have a slave that would distribute bible truths in the end times. Moses was used by God to relay God's commandements to the Israelites, and freed them from Egypt. Jehovah God has used MANY prophets to represent him, and give messages to his people, and others, too. God always has had this arrangement.Stop picking on God's MODERN DAY MESSENGERS, THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY. Truth.

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever Why is slave in the singular and MODERN DAY MESSENGER[S] in the plural?

[eternityandforever]

@pretoshohmoofc There is a 'slave' class.1 Corinthians 4:1,2,"Let a man so appraise us as being subordinates of Christ and stewards of sacred secrets of God. Besides,in this case,what is looked for in stewards is for a man to be found faithful."Hebrews 3:5-And Moses as an attendant was faithful in all the house of that One as a testimony of the things that were to be spoken afterwards.Also the "Jeremiah Class"-Jeremiah1:5,"Prophet to the nations I made you."vs.17-19...speak to them everything.."

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever How are you connecting a 'slave' class to these verses? What is it that makes you think that these verses are not directed to christians in general? I am not seeing the connection. Please explain.

[eternityandforever]

@pretoshohmoofc We study the bible so very much that it's like it comes together like one big puzzle. God has done this on purpose.He had hidden the true understanding in the bible.ONLY those who obey him and study it diligently get the ACCURATE truth-Proverbs 2:2-6.Matthew 24:45-47Jesus said he would have a faithful slave he would entrust to care for the spiritual needs of his people on the earth Jesus is now ruling in heaven-Matthew 25:31,so this 'slave' class distributes true words to us.

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever Proverbs 2:2-6 isn't about the Bible but wisdom.

Proverbs 4:18 is a very popular verse for Jehovah's Witnesses regarding "new light" every time they make a fase prophecy they quote this.

What they NEVER quote is the next verse. 19 says "that The way of the wicked ones is like the gloom; they have not known at what they keep stumbling."

Your group has a 100% false prophecy record. Doesn't that sound like they keep stumbling?

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever As for Matthew 24:45-47, Verse 42 says, "Keep on the watch, therefore because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming."

The problem is, Your group taught that Jesus already returned in 1874 right up until 1943. (Example: Harp of God 1924, pg 230-31). If that's the case, no one within the Governing body was watching for his invisible return in 1914 were they?

So they weren't giving them their 'food at the proper time' were they?

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever For a Bible based teacher like yourself, you never answered any questions that I asked you. What does that tell me? Are you incapable of doing so? Because your reaction is telling me this.

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever Also, you said that Jer 1:5 is being directed to this slave class. But doesn't this then make them prophets, and haven't these prophets made false prophecies? 1914,1918,1925,1925 etc.

[eternityandforever]

@pretoshohmoofc Haven't the first disciples done a few things IMPERFECT, too? Jesus hand-picked them. And even so....Judas Iscariot stole their money and turned in Jesus and had him KILLED! And also, Peter even denied Jesus 3 times in a row! So according to your logic, no one should have listened to them EITHER! We are IMPERFECT people that God is allowing to spread His Word. There are bound to be mistakes along the way. Early disciples thought back then was the end, too-Mattheww 24:3, Acts 1:6

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever Please re-read my original post. You clearly never read it.

So I'll repeat it...

"I'm sorry, but you are comparing the pre-upper room disciples to post-holy spirit filled Apostles. After the upper room these men were directly led by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. LUKE 6:40"

Luke 6:40 CEB

Disciples aren’t greater than their teacher, but whoever is fully prepared will be like their teacher.

Question: Did thier teacher ever give a false prophecy?

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever also,

1) Judas had a demon in him at this point. (Luke 22:3) Kinda different from a spirit filled Christian don't you think?

2) Jesus was predicting Peter's future not the other way around. Question: Did Christ's prophecy come true? Peter lacked faith, that's why he denied him 3 times. Does the WT lack faith?

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever Mattheww 24:3, Acts 1:6

You are also confusing asking a question (that's all they did) with making doctrinal prophetic statements.

[eternityandforever]

@pretoshohmoofc I am not confusing what was happening.The scriptures at Matt.24:3 and Acts 1:6 shows that the disciples wondered- in Matt.25:13 Jesus said YOU know neither the day nor the hour.THEY really thought it was coming back THEN! MANY people are trying to 'GUESS' when the end is now...JW's do have deep studies that lead to conclusions that the end is NEAR! We are in eager expectation...There is NO WAY we can know the times=Matt.25:36. WE must remain steadfast til' the end=vs.13

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever Can you give me one example of any date setting done by the early church as done by the WT org?

ALL Orthodox Christians believe that we are in the last days, and that Christ may return at any time. All of us!

This is the difference between believing in Christ's return at any time and setting a date which the Bible forbids. Matt 24:36.

The Watchtower is in violation of this direct scriptural teaching.

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever  You said,

JW's do have deep studies that lead to conclusions that the end is NEAR! All Christians believe this not just JWs.

We are in eager expectation...There is NO WAY we can know the times.

The problem is, your orgaization DID predict the end and gave dates to these predictions. Why do you think that they are so adamant about you NOT looking or investigating on the internet? Only those who have something to hide, behave like this.

[archeng123]

1919 1919 1919 1919

[eternityandforever]

@archeng123 Servants of God are imperfect men.You can't expect them to be perfect.The fact that they have tried to guess the time of the end does not prove they are not true prophets.The early disciples kept asking Jesus if the time of the end was then.They were EAGER for it, that's all. It's the same with the WatchTower organization.They have learned not to guess anymore.Refer to Matthew 24:3, Acts 1:6. In Acts 9:34,35-the disciples were arguing who is first.They learned to be better, as we do.

[archeng123]

@eternityandforever then stop shunning and cutting off people that dont want to believe mans interpretations

it gets a bit demonic after a time what the cult does to its members after they find out the real truth

[eternityandforever]

@archeng123 Where on EARTH do you get this stuff?? We believe in a man. Yes, we do. We will follow him because he teaches us the truth. He uses the bible.He teaches us about his Father in heaven.YES! We listen to a man. But not the man that YOU say. WE follow none other than Our Dear Lord in Heaven, Jesus Christ, our Reigning King!!! We follow his every command.We don't just say we love him 'in our hearts' like so many others. We actually GET UP off our duff and take action.We preach about him!

[archeng123]

@eternityandforever No where in the Bible is the date 1914 you keep ramming down peoples heads

and qiut calling people apostates just because they dont want to believe religious fiction thats NOT

IN THE BIBLE read the finnished Mystery

[torrents4u2c]

@eternityandforever

Who really is the faithful and discreet slave? Has the wts been faithful? Not Jesus, not to Jehovah. The WTS distributed false end of the world dates. They falsely taught that the princes of old were returning in 1925. You cannot compare the WTS with Moses. Yes he has used many prophets but the WTS is not one of them.

[eternityandforever]

@torrents4u2c The Watchtower is NOT false. Actually, YOU are.we adhere to what Jesus taught us.If you say MOSES is of no value,THAT is YOUR problem. In fact, the Watchtower Society helps Jesus feed us with RICH SPIRITUAL TRUTHS, which is very evident YOU are lacking!YOU are in prophecy as well,READ Matthew 24:48,"But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, 'My master is delaying,' and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with confirmed drunkards..." It is you!

[torrents4u2c]

@eternityandforever

I will not call you names. The WTS stated that in 1874 Jesus returned invisibly. Did he? The WTS stated that Armeggdom would culminate in 1914. Did it? The WTS stated the princes(Moses, David, and others)would return in 1925. Did they? What is a lie? Is it evil to lie? Did the Watchtower Society lie? I lived through the 1975 story. Was that a lie? Was it evil or good to influrence people to sell their homes to pioneer 40 years ago because the end would come in 1975?????

[bassguy252]

@torrents4u2c except the WTS wasnt in existence in 1874 however the seventh day adventists did predict his presence in 1874

[torrents4u2c]

@bassguy252

Russell borrowed the date from the adventists. It was a date referred to in the WBTS publications as late as the early 20th century. 1874 was presented as the year Jesus returned invisibly to the earth. 1914 was the year the nations rulership over the earth would end in destruction. When that failed to happen the society changed the meaning of 1914 and included in that meaning that Jesus returned invisibly that year. Learn your history.

[eternityandforever]

@archeng123 Early disciples taught the congregations to shun those who deny the bible and take on sinful ways.1Corinthians5:13-remove the wicked (man) from among yourselves.We ADHERE to the bible as God's authority.1Timothy3:16,17-teac­hing,reproving,setting things straight.When a person rejects bible teaching,they are rejecting God's way.We remove unrepentant sinners.More study may be required.We follow early disciples.Titus3:9,10-SHUN.Ear­ly disciples do this.Acts19:9. 2Corinthians11:13-15.

[huffdawgs8]

@eternityandforever We both know what you siad here isn't true, the GB have called themselves prophets... they have falsely prophesied. Tell me JW, what does the generation of 1914 mean today, because when I was in the organization, it meant all people born in or before 1914 and I was told from childhood that the end would come before they died out... that's not going to happen, another false prophesy. Face it, you were fooled like som many that came before..get out of her my people.

[eternityandforever]

@huffdawgs8 So do you ALSO say the original disciples were to be false as well? They kept trying to guess the end too. Matthew 24:3, and Acts 1:8. They also had other very disturbing mistakes....Judas Iscariot turned in Jesus to have him KILLED. Peter DENIED Jesus 3 times. So I guess you are saying they are false as well? They weren't perfect either, so get off the gravy train!

[huffdawgs8]

@eternityandforever Show me one place the diciples prophesied the end.. one place where they say "the end will come on this year"... they NEVER prophesy the end, they are curious about it, the GB does. I asked you a simple question, what does the generation now mean? You have one more chance to answer these two questions I asked, I know you JW, you won't answer what proves you wrong, instead you'll ask me questions over and over. Don't try and compare the fools you follow to the diciples.

[pretoshohmoofc]

@eternityandforever "They have learned not to guess anymore"

If this is true, Then is their light getting brighter or dimmer? Remember, Charles Taze Russell started off by prophecying future events. And how does this differ from Harold Camping?

[sunshineuklondon1965]

What is the Memorial of Christ's Death*? The Memorial is when Jehovah's Witnesses remember the death of Jesus Christ. It is their most important meeting and is held on the evening of the Jewish month of Nisan 14. This year the Memorial of Christ's death will be held on APRIL 17th 2011. You are warmly invited to attend this special memorial celebration. Contact your local KINGDOM HALL of Jehovah's Witnesses for details.

[trillaz1]

Jesus is the faithful steward.  Disagree? Then prove your men are and he is not.

[eternityandforever]

@trillaz1 Jesus is a Servant-Acts 3:26,"...raising up his Servant,sent him forth to bless YOU by turning each one away from YOUR wicked deeds."1Corinthians 4:1,2,.."as being subordinates of Christ and stewards of sacred secrets of God...what is looked for in stewards is for a man to be found faithful" Titus 1:7-For an overseer must be free from accusation as God's steward.1 Corinthians 9:17,"..I have a stewardship entrusted to me."Colossians 1:25,"...with the stewardship from God...to preach..."

[ViCe1986]

The Governing Body is the Apostles, they all were killed by 100 AD. When this leadership was lost so was the authority of God on Earth.

Till it was restored by the Prophet Joseph Smith, today 12 Apostles do receive revelation from God for the benefit of the world.

Only Apostles and Prophets can lead the Church of Jesus Christ (See Ephesians 2:20)

[drevildruid]

There is only one instance of a so-called Governing Body being formed and that was for the circumcision issue that was raised by Jewish converts. Interestingly enough in Revelation, Jesus makes no mention of a GB or holding them responsible for the actions of the different congregations. Had there been such a group it would seem likely he would have directed his comments towards them and not towards the individual congregations.

[JAT002]

The JWs are going to have to go toe to toe with the Catholic Church who claims to have a uninterrupted line of authority going back to Peter who they say was given the job by Jesus.

Anyway. I believe that the apostles worked together to get the job done. Since they knew more than anyone else and personally knew Jesus, they were the ones to do it. I know the churches established by the apostles communicated with one another but each church governed itself.

[archeng123]

nice parrallel super imposing scripture to gain credibility and assret authority thats what they are doing here

[archeng123]

nice parrallel

[HanDeckardJones]

Rpierre...u asked about why the seperate KH can't organised themselves in an email to me that doesn't show here. Buut I answer with a question for you. Is Jehovah a god of order or disorder. Would there be a unity of thought if some decisions were not centralised. I understand you're point but I feel that many people argue along this line because they don't want a structured approach to discipline and so don't have anything to do with JW. It's your choice but don't criticise others.Capish?

[HanDeckardJones]

You clearly haven't read the scriptures I quoted. I don't wear "JW blinkers" as you so condescendingly suggest and I note that most people like you often stoop to some personal statement or suggestion of ill-learning of anyone who doesn't adopt your point of view. It speaks of Pharisees in vs 15 and apostles and older men in vs 4 and 6 of Acts 15. Although you're discussion on certain ones having to apologise is correct you fail to account for all relevant scriptures.

[HanDeckardJones]

READTHIS: You FAILED to quote Acts 15:5 where it speaks of the PHARISEES in this area as shaving raise the issue of circumcision so it's still plausible that the issue arose in the area where it was also resolved by, as it says in verse 4 and 6, the apostles and older men of the congregation. You are guilty of the same thing you claim the WTBTS is...misrepresentation. In this case your argument fails and it can be argued form the scriptures there was an organised body of mature, spiritual men.

[Essanach]

@HanDeckardJones No it can't, the only mention of such a group is when they are forced to APOLOGIZE in writing because some of them had been "making trouble" for others. Paul went to Jerusalem to set them straight and to resolve the matter. He specifically said he didn't go to consult them. Go back and read the account without JW blinkers. If anything, this account demonstrates the ERROR of having those who THINK they have more authority - a GB - meddling in other peoples affairs.

[Essanach]

@HanDeckardJones PS. No, you are misrepresenting things, because you fail to mention that these who you misleadingly call 'Pharisees' were actually Judean CHRISTIANS - 'believers' - who were raised in Jewish Pharisee social class. They were part of the Jerusalem Christian Community, and 'older men' at that, for the other older men in Jerusalem apologized for this saying "some, from AMONG US, having been making trouble for you"

[rpierre777]

@HanDeckardJones Well, I guess one can say there was an "organized body of mature, spiritual men". For the most part, every denomination of Christianity has them. The difference was they didn't direct the congregations. They only assisted as needed. That is why, in Acts 6:1-6, they told the people to select from amongst themselves men who could perform these duties.

[HanDeckardJones]

@rpierre777 RPIERRE...You are right, they only assisted as needed just like the Governing Body doesn't micro-manage the congregations worldwide and allows the borthers in the area to select from amongs themselves those wiling and able to assist. Those twelve men mentioned in Acts 6:1-6 clearly had authority to at least tell the brothers to organise themselves. May I pose that the real issue here is humankind's wish to buck against ANY authority? What does everyone think?

[rpierre777]

@HanDeckardJones If the Governing Body only assist when needed, then why are the publicans and books that are read only made by them? Why aren't the local elders writing pamphlets and such for the people to read and grow spiritually? Why do they establish the temperature settings for each Kingdom Hall? Why do they decide when conventions are held? If all the Hall's in one area want to come together, why can't they decide that on their own?

[LuciousVBogeymanProd]

This is AWESOME!! Governing Body = Men making shit up, CORRECTED by Paul

[Origin305]

for all those who dont know what a "cheif corner stone" is. In an arc, its the top middle stone which holds the whole arc together.

[Origin305]

Hold on, Im not a JW lets make that clear. But this video doesnt make anything that clear.

Jesus Christ set up an authority on earth. That is clear. He called His 12 and gave them authority to act in His name. The Holy Ghost was given to them to guide them and teach them truth. The way I see it is that God's church should have apostles and direct revelation from God. That is in a sense a governing body but the head of it is God.

[TheConvenientLie]

@Origin305 You are right in part. He gave not just his 12 authority. The argument you are giving leads to apostolic succession, which is not true. It must be realized at all times that the HOLY SPIRIT, is the guide, not any organization of men. In essence, he is saying the only governing body that exists is God.

[Origin305]

@TheConvenientLie

Ephesians 2: 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

[Origin305]

@TheConvenientLie

The verses I shared speak of the organization which Christ left on Earth. It should be undoubtly founded with a leadership of apostles and prophets. But what makes them the true prophets and apostles?? Chief corner stone or basically, the head is Christ. So these apostles and prophets are under the supervision of Christ. They carry His Name.

[TheConvenientLie]

@Origin305 The verses you just spoke of speak of an organization and authority on earth yes, but there is no evidence in those scriptures that it is an authority of men over men. In fact, it says quite the opposite. It means that each of us have that authority because we are ALL felllowcitizens with the saints and of the household of God. nodistinction between a governor and the governed, save between Christ and his Body. Pastors are hardly governors, they are more like magistrates and teachers.

[Origin305]

@TheConvenientLie

Look man, you can beleive what you would want to. To me I feel, after reading the new testament several times, that there is actually an authority there. The Jehovas witnesses are right except that they dont claim to have apostles or prophets and instead "secret slaves". I have spoken to many of them and they say those things were abolished after Christ. I disagree entirely.

[TheConvenientLie]

@Origin305 the authority you speak of is Christ. There is no other. I am guessing you are catholic or presby? Your thinking of apostolic succession. Find me the verse in which Jesus says there should be an authority, a government, or a head of a universal church other than himself? Show me where in the New Testament people are led by other men instead of by the Holy Spirit?

[Origin305]

@TheConvenientLie

you are guessing way off. Dont want to look for the verses now but its already clear from the verse I gave that there should be aposltes and prophets on the earth today if its going to be the true church. This comment limit makes it hard to quote verses so if you really want to see these things then I will pm you.

[TheConvenientLie]

@Origin305 Well thats integral to many of their beliefs. Go ahead and PM me I would like to know more about your theology on this topic.

[Origin305]

@TheConvenientLie one thing I will publicly make clear is that most people consider the word of God or the bible/scriptures to be an authority, Well in that sense these apostles and prophets were the ones who were inspired by the Holy Spirit when they wrote these things. But it was literally them who wrote it. So that is why prophets and apostles are God's representatives on earth. Amos 3:7

[archeng123]

have you ever looked at yourself from the point of view you have become

[estudiantedelaBiblia]

The short of it is, the only "Governing Body" referred to in the Bible is the Jewish Sanhedrin. The current WT Society mimics that group in MANY ways.

[TheConvenientLie]

@estudiantedelaBiblia I have noticed that the Jehova Witnesses mimic the Pharisees in many many ways. Even in their teaching and doctrines, they do many things that Jesus rebuked Pharisees for.

[Origin305]

@TheConvenientLie

yup

[eternityandforever]

@TheConvenientLie JW's rebuke the false teachers of today,JUST EXACTLY as Jesus did back in his day.WE follow the BIBLE.YOU say we are false.YOU should read the bible MORE,then YOUR eyes may be OPENED and YOU will see we are TRUE! It just takes ALOT more study of God's Word than YOU realize.I can tell YOU don't study much,because YOU would NEVER had said something so twisted. Paul was a prophet=Acts 15:32.The governing body said they didn't give the men f/Judea instructions to teach this...vs.24

[DoNotSubMeAsshole]

the bible was created for man, by man. for those who cannot think for themselves

[DoNotSubMeAsshole]

lemme' get this straight, our bodies are temples, we are not to desicrate the perfection of our lord, except our dicks. our dicks are the only mistake god made right? we gotta fix gods fuckup before we are allowed into heaven....

fucking retarded assholes.

[teddet87]

@DoNotSubMeAsshole

for man

through man

by God

please do not under estimate the power of the Holy Spirit

[IWannabeJew]

Obviously none of you have read the Dead Sea Scrolls or "James, the Brother of Jesus".

[IWannabeJew]

Too bad Paul represents the camp that DOES NOT have ties to Jewish antiquity, the way the Ebionites (who were anti-Paul) did, as can be seen by the use of forms of the word "Evyon" as a term of self-designation by the Dead Sea Scrolls community.

Paul is The Liar, the Ravening Wolf of Benjamin.

[bigjheazy]

Have you ever read the book of kings and Judges and about the prophets and the high priest God, always used godly men to see over his people, just like the bibles teaches God is a God not of disorder but of order.

[djaxxx51]

Excellent info.......I have known this for a while....

[fairwhether1]

Excellent info. that I pray will cause all who see it to think!

[juango1979]

In Acts 15:2, who's is "THEY" arranged? and also in Acts 15:25, who arranged for the others joined with barnabas and paul?

[JWMediaFilms]

Did you even watch this? The movie addresses those exact issues...

[Psa1mist9]

Wow i dont see any JWs commenting on THIS Video LOL... that just means JWMEDIAFILMS did a great job in covering this point. EXCELLENT JOB SIR!.... oh here's another scriputre... Galatians 1:16b,17 - I did NOT go at once into conference with flesh and blood. Neither did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles previous to me, but I went off to Arabia and I came back again to Damascus." In fact Galatians completely destroys The JW faith as well as other organized religions like mormens.

[TheMarcoh7]

@JWMediaFilms

You have to read and study the rest of the bible also to come to a conclusion as to what the governing body is here for.  Revelation has many things written in it that pertains to the congregations and the elders. The elders act as Jesus' shepards.

[TheMarcoh7]

@JWMediaFilms

You have to read and study the rest of the bible also to come to a conclusion as to what the governing body is here for. Revelation has many things written in it that portrays to the congregations and the elders. The elders act as Jesus' shepards.

[TheMarcoh7]

@JWMediaFilms

Mathew 24:45-47 explain this one.

[eternityandforever]

@TheMarcoh7 Jesus is saying he would have appointed servants(steward=servant) on the earth to distribute spiritual food to his people. He tells them they would be responsible to teach accurately from the bible, and would be rewarded for doing so. Luke 12:41-48-...and the one whom people put in charge of much, they will demand more than usual of him."1Corinthians 4:1,2,.."as being subordinates of Christ and stewards of sacred secrets of God... in stewards is...be found faithful." -Colossians 1:25

[eternityandforever]

@JWMediaFilms THIS video is a JOKE! The governing body said they never gave instructions to teach what the men from Judea spoke=Acts 15:24. This shows those men f/Judea did not have authority to teach what they did. vs.32 says Paul and Silas were 'prophets'. vs.17 says Jehovah is doing these things, and he uses 'holy spirit' to accomplish his will-vs.8,28. If Paul was the 'governing body' WHY would he have to go ALL THE WAY to Jerusalem? He could have settled it right there and then in Antioch!

[FreeAtLast1914]

Right on! I've personally written papers (for my personal use only) that have dissected this very subject, the fact that a first-century governing body has no scriptural support. It's as if the Society bases their core theology on some mysterious Joseph Smith-esque Golden Tablets rather than the Bible.

Here you've put it across so visually and vividly that I hope others in the religion of my birth will see the truth and come out.

Great job.

[ExGileadMissionary]

Great video. Some JWs may ignore what you say because your references are old, mostly from the 50's. Perhaps you can use newer references in future vids.

Excellent work!

[4getJLG]

Fred Franz did give a Gilead talk that says excactly what this video is implying. So even though this video is Apostate..I find that amusing..This video is backed and would be supported by one of the Governing Body, the President no less. Actually his motivation was selfish tho. He was trying to point out that there was No GB so he would not lose his position of power as the President. Thats another story.

[4getJLG]

rachelbinto is probably pointing out that he did not consulted with anyone. The point is obvious but thats a wierd scripture. It contradicts Acts 9:19-30. Wierd because it says he was unknown to the churches of Judea.? huh? tell that to Stephen! oh wait you cant.lol Paul ordered and watched over his Death. How could the scourge that persecuted and Killed christains not be recognized? Read Acts 8:1-3 or 9:1,2 where its Judea thats freakin out cuz of Paul.

[rachelbinto]

What Paul is saying was that since becoming a Christian he took no direction from the Jerusalem congregation. For 3 years he was in Syria and when he came back to Jerusalem he only met only Peter and James. He did not meet or seek any spiritual food from the elders in Jerusalem.

[rpierre777]

@4getJLG In Galatians 1:22, Paul didn't say he was unknown by the churches of Judea. He said he was unknown by face. In verse 23, he said, "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed." Plus, it's not a contradiction. In Galatians 1, Paul gives the time line of Acts 9. Acts 9:23 says "And after that many days were fulfilled". In Gal 1:23, Paul says those days totaled three years.

[earnestlyseeking]

Great Job! Did you ever hear the talk given by Fred Franz back in the 1970s on this subject? He made a similar point, going directly against what was being taught at the time. ES

[21crosscheck21]

That was a stellar presentation!!!!

[rachelbinto]

...I did not consult any man, nor did I go up to Jerusalembut I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus. Then after 3 years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him 15 days. I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord's brother. I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie. Later I went to Syria and Cilicia. I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. (Gal 1:15-22)

This is Paul writing.

[rachelbinto]

Youtube deleted quotation marks I put in my comment as well as three dots after 'Jerusalem' and before 'but'. I had to truncate the scripture as it was too long for a comment box; feel free to read it in your own Bibles.

[rpierre777]

@rachelbinto He was unknown by face. Why did you stop at v 22? Verse 23 says, "But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. " So, they knew P(S)aul by name and deeds, but not face.

[rachelbinto]

@rpierre777 The point is Paul did not consult them about anything. Jerusalem was not a centralized authority that Paul received spiritual food from for distributing to the rest of God's household. Paul was led only by the Holy Spirit.

[rpierre777]

@rachelbinto I agree 100% with you. I has always bothered me when people act like Paul was taught by other men.