Hey, asshole, I'm sorry I don't spend all my time on the goddamn Internet you fuckin nerd, we just finished putting a new intercooler and piping in my buddies supra tt, I actually know how to work with engines. Thumbs up to you for being a douchemonster
But a stock any viper vs a stock supra would kill it hands down. If the supra is twin turbo there beast as hell! But a twin turbo viper would still kill it. Look some up on here, 900hp on 5psi twin turbo. He could put that shit on 35psi if he wanted, the video I'm talking about lol
Didn't even look like the viper was trying until the end of the video? Lol anyone can film a nice car and then push the gas and watch it go away like they did.... Till it flys by them at the end!
@CJAEY yes i understand but your stil a fucking moron for thinking a supra didnt have a inline6 there was never a v8 supra ever they all came with a inline6
"V6 destroy V10" This is your original comment, V6's and Inline 6's are totally different layouts dumb fuck. If you wanna keep arguing about the same shit, because you clearly don't know shit about Supra's, you need to sit the fuck down.
I said Supra's don't have V6's, then you later said Supra's have a "really dude there are a inline v6 look up specs dumbass edmunds (dot )com / toyota / supra /."
And who said the Supra is modded???? No description says this, and title is three words. Grow up whiney babies lol....your V8 muscle car got handed to you by a 6cyl. Now that is embarrassing. Quit talking junk about modding this and tuning that. Is that what it takes for "muscle" now? Considering all the lame comments about ricer this and ricer that, I am confused. I thought you only needed muscle...now you gotta tune them? Hahahaha hypocrites and haters. Haters and hypocrites lol.
@135yota supra is obviously modded, you can hear the bov during every shift. i love supras but put these on a track and the viper will dominate it. theres a reason why the acr viper is the 4th fastest production car on the nurburgring and why supras always seem to be built for big power in straight lines. they excel in different areas
@135yota wow i see you posting a nother dumbass comment about somthing you have no clue about what you are talking about first off a viper is not a V8 you dumb ass put a turbo on the viper and then we will see who spanks who and secondly this didnt even look like a race to me just a bunch of guys teasing each other
Whiners because that mighty viper lost to a 6cyl. I have watched extremely modded tt vipers against extremely modded Supras and the Supra still won. BTW, Since when did "Mopar" need mods? lol
@trx420fm1 Oh, get tissue, wipe eyes blow nose. So many cry babies on Youtube. Maybe it should be called BOOBTUBE. So many people so defensive, but hey glad I could make you laugh. Sign on to BOOBTUBE where the bitch made comments are laughed at, at best. I was laughing at YOUR comment, but I guess you have light bulbs crushed up your ass. I would be defensive too. LOL. Tooo damn serious, poor thing.
These videos are never impressive...Supras are great but every time you see this the supra is modded and the Viper or Ferrari or Lambo is stock. Ask them what happened to the videos from when they came across some modded ones... Probably sitting at home in a secret stash. XD
Theres never been a Viper prices $200,000. You can pick up a late 90s for around $30k, and a late 90s Supra for around $30k. So lets see, a Modified Supra up against a stock viper.Hmmmm. i wonder whos going to win. dumb shits
@BlackVenomPictures thats what im sayin it like putting the skyline fromhell against a built supra get a turbo viper and put it against a turbo supra i bet the out come is alot different
lol buy a supra are u guys stupid? the supras are uber moded... they cannot compete against stock vs stock if u gonna put a car to race against a moded when mod the other too stock vs stock... and u know the difference
@chrisl7289 stfu idiot viper is 80 or 90 k fool not 200 and put it up against stock ass wipe the supra is tuned something ur small intelect cannot understand u bleeding dumbass
@arnoni11 i have a 2jz motor with single large turbo and i just dont know which car to put it in yet i was thinking id put it in my camaro just for shits and giggles
speaking of making a petrol engine dish out higher torque figures... riddle me this...
an enzo ferrari does the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds flat.
its lighter, greater traction, far more aerodynamic and more Hp. then the viper.
it also has a sequential gear box that can shift gear 3x faster then a manuel gearbox....
and yet, with all thoes advantages over a viper... it only manages to be .7 seconds faster... sad part is- is thats a 600hp TT diesel truck on dirt tires can run 11 seconds
@dvldi the truck is optimized for the qtr mile? and the enzo isent? its a race pedagree car, is designed to grab the track hard, and power through it as fast as it can.
give the truck the same weight, aerodynamic propertys, and gearing and i garantee it fly past the enzo
The Enzo is not optimised for the 1/4 mile, because real racing is over longer distances and includes corners. You don't win a race at the Nürburgring or Monza or Le Mans or Laguna Seca just by being the fastest on the first 1/4 mile. Give the Enzo a gearbox optimised for the 1/4 mile and it blitzes your ludicrous truck.
@dvldi the enzo's gear box is optimized for a good quarter mile run, i've done drag racing for a few year.
a heavy first year, and lighter 2-3rd gears, ya its setup just right.
and yes, for an engine to be more powerful then the other in needs to surpass in torque aswell as HP, just because torque is not worded as "power" dosent mean its not "power" its Force, force is power. Energy.
@dvldi you want evidence, your at a computer right? look up speeds the car is capable inn each gear.
i did not say a car needs more torque to be considered more powerful, but that is 1 of the factors that equal a more powerful vehicle. as ... like i said, torque is the acting force of effort propelling the vehicle through the air.
*You* claimed the Enzo was optimised for the 1/4 miles, so it is *you*, not me who has to prove it and 'speed per gear' doesn't prove optimisation.
Why are you always screaming "torque, torque, torque", but don't want me to say "displacement"? The Viper has so much torque because it has such a big engine, but a big engine with a low number of cylinders has its disadvantages as you can see in comparison to the Carrera GT or the LFA or the Enzo.
@dvldi yes , it is actauly speed per gear, because its already got the suspention for launching hard, sequential gears to stupid fast shifting, and amazing traction through thoes high end wide tires.
all thats left is a proper gear ratio, whitch it has. what that exact speed # is i cant tell you ( trust me im trying to find it) from memory i belive it was 55 mph in 1st gear, 120 mph in 2nd and i think 150mph in 3rd ( i think) again from memory. thats actually a good set.
It seems you don't get the point (again). Optimising means building it for a special purpose and speed per gear numbers don't say anything about Ferrari's intention.
a higher gear ratio means the engine car rew wide and steady without bouncing off the limiter.
the 3 taller gears are better the 4 or 5 shorter gears when the car is lightweight and high hp/tq
thats why many purpose built dragsters are built with 3 spd gear boxes. the enzo is a race car, designed to take bends fast, and blister through the straits. it is infact design to eatup the quarter mile fast. everything about the car is setup right for it.
My friend, the Enzo may well be very good on the 1/4 mile, but that does not in the least say it was designed for that. So I'm still waiting for evidence that you didn't simply make it up.
'08-'10 Viper: 450 kW, 760 Nm ... How's that the same?
top speed:
'08-'10 Viper: 202mph
Carrera GT: 201.5 mph
Wow, it can beat a car with 2.7l less in displacement by 0.2sec an 0.5mph (at which observational error?). Impressive! How can anyone call that underpowered for a 8.0? :)
See? Compared to let's say an Audi TT the Viper isn't underpowered of course, but for a car with an engine that size it is.
Yes, the Veyron has 4 turbo chargers, but who said Dodge must not use chargers? And the Veyron has one charger per cylinder bank, which doesn't mean it had 4 times the effect, as people often try to suggest by saying it had 4 turbos.
but its slower the the 2008 viper.... that viper has the same engine, with the same output.
only diffrence is that its got 350less pounds of weight.
and yea the carraraGT has 2.7L less displancment, its also a far more advanced engine, with duel overhead cams, and varitable cam timing. not pushrod BS...
and yet it still has 12 more Hp and weights 100Lbs less..... and is slower in everyway to the viper....ha
Look it up. From 2008 the Viper had a heavily revised engine with 8.4l in displacement.
How is the Carrera GT "slower in everyway to the viper....ha", when it goes up to 334kmph while even the '08 Viper is only capable of 326kmph? And again: We're still on youtube and the Viper in the video we're talking about isn't even an '03, let alone an '08.
Face it: by design, the Viper is not a proper sports car.
1. We're still on YouTube and normally comments are in context to a video
2. No it isn't
3. Because the Nordschleife - in contrast to modern race tracks - has many long straights, where you can compensate for bad cornering and the lap times were done with ACR Vipers, which are kind of Vipers turned into race cars which even lack a radio and with 430 gen IV ACRs produced can hardly be called production cars. Even the Carrera GT was built 1270 times!
@dvldi 1. yes were on youtube, but saying vipers ... thats plural reffering to multiple vipers, not targeting1
saying "women are stupid" refers to all, saying "that women is stupid" is a specific target. got it?
2. "No it isent" no what isent? porsches underpowered? hey thats me apply the same pricipal as "vipers are underpowered"
3.... ya compensate for bad cornering, whitch is why the ACR pulls higher G and faster slalom times right? bairly a production car, is still a production car
1. AFAIK they produced more than one gen2 Viper, so "vipers" in this context refers to those.
2. It isn't the same. Porsche produced e.g. the 911 at the same time as the 924, Dodge did only one Viper at a time.
3. I said "by design, the Viper is not a proper sports car". This refers to its concept. By design a Porsche Cayman is a better sports car even though it is slower. The Viper had to be turned into a race car to compete with cars with far smaller engines.
@dvldi I'd like to know where the Viper was turned into a race car to compete with anything...Even the 1999 ACR, which was cheaper than the Honda NSX, beats 75% of cars within 2x its price.
@dvldi No it wasn't. It was outfitted with a wing, a chin spoiler, and a different suspension. The ACR-X is a race car. The ACR is 100%, 50 state legal production car. ACR is a trim level just like "Cobra" is a trim level of mustang, or "Turbo S" is a trim level of Porsche 911. Is a 911 Turbo S or a 911 GT2 RS a "race car"? No.
Yes it was. For what do you need an elaborate aerodynamics package, a highly adjustable suspension and near-racing tires - with the latter being a real disadvantage e.g. on wet roads - over a radio if not for racing? And again: what do you think the "R" in "ACR" stands for?
The GT2RS is basically a race car, the Turbo S isn't.
Making such a car road legal is for track day use. Anyway, with an 8.4 the Viper shouldn't need those changes to be fast, but it does actually.
@dvldi Sorry, but just because a car has a big engine doesn't mean it handles well. If you want to handle the best, you have to use the best hardware, that's pretty simple. Porsche has their CMMD brakes, you don't need that on a street car, yet you can get them on Caymans and 911's that are not GT2 or GT3 cars. Even a regular 911 Carrera has aero improvements for stability at speed and to improve performance, so why should a Viper not? And "near race" tires are still not race tires.
"...just because a car has a big engine doesn't mean it handles well." That's exactly what I was talking about! A big engine doesn't necessarily make a good sports car.
If you want me to answer your claims on Porsche, you should answer my questions first.
Where did I claim 'near race tires' were 'race tires'? I said they were a disadvantage on wet roads and guess what? They are. They're just not meant for everyday use, so what does this tell us about the car they're used on?
@CemetaryGatesML ACR is pure production. ACR is just an option package on the SRT-10 Viper. You could order it on a standard Viper order form. It was literally an option box just like a different radio. But again, the Viper ACR is only $110,000, and the Carrera GT is $440,000. Can get 4 ACRs and take 3 friends and go hoon on a track together while the C-GT guy is by himself, getting lapped by all 4 vipers.
@dvldi Wait, so a Viper that is dedicated to pure performance is ego, but the Porsche supercar that you talk about taking a "pretty girl" out in isn't? Pot, meet kettle.
@dvldi actually, up to 2009 there were 1243 ACRs built. They also aren't race cars. They have off the shelf coilovers, a wing, and Pilot Sport Cup tires. Same engine as the SRT-10. You can NOT compensate for bad cornering with power in the straights. The ACR has a top speed of 180mph, not the 202 of the Carrera GT. But your production count is flawed. An ACR is just an option package on the SRT-10. Not a separate model. Is the V10 a separate model of Audi R8? No.
So, they aren't race cars? ACR means "American Club Racing", so what does the R stand for again?
And the ACR is slower than the base model (202mph)? What is that good for in a race car?
And still: the Carrera GT has 2.7l less in displacement. Or take the Lexus LFA: it does a 7:14.64 on the Nordschleife with 3.9l less. You see, the ACR lap time is not really impressive for a 8.4l. Furthermore: Nordschleife laptimes aren't officially measured in any way ... not a good benchmark.
@dvldi and yes they "run out of steam" ....no, there not geared for the higher speed, aerodynamics and weight are gearing is whats making speed, along side with torque to keep pushing through the air resistance.
for thoes reasons is why the viper poops out at 202, and the ferrari keeps going.
and as for V10 engines ( for an engine to truly be more powerfull it must surpass is both Hp and torque)
all of thoes cars you named fail at having more torque, and substantialy higher hp.
No, to be more _power_ful, you need more _power_, not more torque and to be _more_ powerful, you need _more_ power. not _substantially more_ power. And who defines what is _substantially_ more and what is not?
And to put that straight: number of cylinders is much less of a critical figure in judging whether a car is underpowered than displacement is and you surely don't want me to name all the cars that have more power from about 8l of displacement.
@flipsk8ter1080 to heck with a viper you can get a corvette zr-1 which has better handling suspension and an overall better design and it would smoke a viper for about the same price
they don't make cars like this anymore, and if they do.. not just anyone can afford it. Best bang for buck imo is the supra. Too bad I can't find anything down here that's worth it. Most mk4's here are auto :|
@4drek You're absolutely right, they don't make cars like they used to, too many environmental changes and cars are governed by computers now, whereas back then it was more just you, a basic computer, and engine!. Now everything you do in a car has to go through an electronic "committee" first lol. I prefer old cars myself too, I just wouldn't go so far as to say the supra can't be beaten.
You guys are pretty much all idiot know nothings about cars. The Supra is a far more inferior car. The only reason it won is because they were already going 60+MPH and turbochargers get all their power at high RPMs. From a stand still, that Viper would destroy them.
@OldboySaint As a Viper fan, I disagree. The Supra won because it was heavily modified, not because it was from a roll. Vipers don't put the power down very well on a drag strip either. 18" wheels and short sidewalls don't launch well, even with a 345mm wide tire. It's just a matter of that's a modified twin turbo car vs a stock Viper.
Yes, but MirrorOfInsanity25 did say "underpowered V10s", not "underpowered pushrod V10s, which can run on low-grade fuel". You can't just turn anything so that it fits your views.
Don't be silly! We're only talking about slightly different concepts of piston engines. A combustion engine compared to a turbine, that would be apples v. oranges. What you have here is called progress.
@dvldi im not gonna argue with the diffrence in engine designs... but i asure you... talk to a true engine builder... because i ca go on...and on... from fuel delivery, efficency, drag etc... modern design engines make power far easyer. 500 from this old school engine isen't bad.
like hell, the veyron has a 8L engine, and 4 turbos ... and only makes 1000.
a damn zonda roadster has a 7.3L and also makes 500+
500hp from an engine with an outdated design may not be bad, but there are superior designs available today. So why is it so hard for you to except, that someone saying this Viper is (by todays standards) an "underpowered V10" has got a point?
I mean you wouldn't buy a car that delivers 120hp out of a 6.8l engine, because that was not bad, back in 1926, wouldn't you?
@dvldi my point is clear, why you question it is beyond me, matter of fact you re-stated my point.
we established that the Vipers V10 is not underpowered. 500hp is very common among V8,V10, and v12 engines. its Ci size is whats overkill but is whats needed for the old design.
and yes i would buy a 6.8L engine that makes 126hp... in 2011 because thats sounding like diesel engine stats ... whitch makes HUGE torque... and torque is the secrete behind speed, not horsepower.
No, your point is *not* clear and we have *not* established the Viper isn't underpowered. What we have established is, that its engine is designed in an outdated way.
Basically, what you're saying is "it's not underpowered, it just has too much displacement for it's power" ... yeah, and I'm not too fat, I'm just too short for my weight.
If torque is the secret behind speed, why don't they just use Diesel truck engines for racing cars?
@dvldi my point is very clear.... and proven correct
the vipers engine is an old design, thus 500hp and 510ft tq from this design is more the acceptable.
also, 500hp.... thats not underpowered. thats right about avrage of what a sports/super car should be at.
btw ... they do use diesel engines for racing.... matter of fact i belive the audi R18 and Peugot 908 are diesel powered race cars that run in LMP1 and LMP2 for le mans 24hr
No, your point isn't clear and stating it was proven correct doesn't make it any better. The Viper's engine is an old design and therefore it can't deliver what an engine this size actually could, so it just isn't acceptable in a sportscar. Truck yes, sportscar no.
Yes, there are racing cars with Diesel engines, but: 1. Diesel engines have advantages regulation-wise at Le Mans 2. Most racing cars are still petrol driven 3. I said "Diesel truck engines" not "Diesel engines"!
It's not acceptable, because sportscars are about performance and delivering less performance, just to be able to run on low grade fuel or something is missing the point.
And how does a vehicle perform "as a hole"?
Calling everything that doesn't fit your opinion irrelevant isn't very helpful, as well as ignoring all my points you don't like.
And they use truck engines for truck racing? What a surprise! But after all your claims: why don't they use them e.g. in Formula 1?
1- Learn the difference between "relative" and "absolute".
2- Sportscars aren't so much about reliability, that it would make sense to trade performance in for it and today there are other ways to make engines more reliable.
3- The iPhone doesn't predict "hole" when you type in "whole" but more importantly: you seem to forget that we don't use my native language here, so sometimes I have to ask people to understand them right, so no need to be so arrogant (6yr old and so on)!
@dvldi sports cars arent so much about reliabilty? so what are you saying there focused on performance and if there fragile and break easy who cares?! LOLOLOLOL go walk into ferrari ans ask them that LOLOLOL
yes, the iphone does predict words... i type in Who- and i get a prediction of words that match that, one of witch is "hole" that was right beside "whole" need more explaining?
No, you're wrong. What I'm saying is that building cars always means making compromises and in a sports car, a good compromise goes towards performance without making it fragile. A car can last for 2 million miles, but with a top speed of let's say only 60mph it doesn't deserve to be called a sports car, so reliability doesn't contradict the statement that this Viper is an "underpowered V10" .
You're not able to operate your phone? Not my problem.
and im not sure how long ur gonna ride that "under powered V10" statment... if you can go out and find some production cars that have V10 engines and significantly MORE power then 500hp/510tq
then i will accept the vipers engine is infact underpowered...
also... yes it is your problem, because your the one making a deal about the choice of words...
If you really knew about engineering, you'd know that making compromises is actually its core. And you proved my point yourself: If the Viper was uncompromising about performance, why has it got an OHV engine? And if it was uncompromising about reliability, why didn't they limit it to let's say 1500rpm, to reduce the forces in the engine and the drivetrain?
The statement said "underpowered", not "undertorqued", so: Lamborghini Gallardo, Porsche Carrera GT, Audi RS6, ...
you get what you pay for bud, you compramize quality, reliabilty, performance, technology to fit the price.
look at somthing like the bugati veyron...no compramize there, only i high price tag.
again its not underpowered... the galardo, the carrera GT the audi...how much power do thoes engines make? about 550 right? how many production cars that feature V10's have less then 500hp???
puttinh the SRT10 mid range, not below or "underpowered"
Why should I be kidding? 2 days ago "compromize [was] for poor engeneering" and now you're talking about price ... and even a Veyron is full of compromises, e.g. they could have made it lighter, but for that price, people expect thing like air con.
Porsche: 612hp ... and all the cars I named have far less displacement than the Viper, so with an engine that size it should be on top, but isn't, so: 'underpowered' ...and it's *your* turn to name those weaker V10 sports cars.
@dvldi comprmize is poor engennering, nothingsperfect, you can have everythig, your a fool if you think a car can be perfect. sandly i wish it could but it cant.
the veyron is as close to near perfect, but it has its price, you get almost everything you could want out of a car.
again with displacment bs.... the origonal argument is "underpowered" V10" stick to it.
good a porsche has 612hp...good for it
how about the Lexus LFA? 500hp flat ... and piss poor torque
So what you say is "A car can't be perfect, but compromise is poor engineering"? Sorry, but that's a contradiction.
You expect me to not talk about the Viper's huge displacement and keep coming up with torque, when the topic is power? What's that supposed to mean?
Ok, the LFA then ... with little more than half the displacement, it hasn't got less power than the Viper and still it is quicker and accelerates faster, so what's all the torque in the Viper doing?
@dvldi you realy are stupid.... a car cant be perfect, it cant do everything... you get what you pay for, what you pay is how close you can come to perfection. thats were poor engineering comes in, to fit the price you can allow.
the vipers displacment is irrelivent at this point as were talking horesepower... whats that torque doing you ask, well lets see, the LFA weighs wayyyy less due to being nearly all carbon fiber, and sporting a 6 speed Sequential gearbox. and is .03 sec slower 1/4 mi
Why the insult again? Afraid of being wrong? I've said from the beginning that engineering always means making compromises and now you (basically) repeat that and call *me* stupid for it? Where's the logic in that?
If horsepower is the only crucial figure here (and you don't want to here about displacement), why are you suddenly talking about weight and gearboxes? Furthermore: the Viper weighs 1,490–1,570 kg, LFA: 1,480–1,580 kg. How's that "wayyyy less"???
@dvldi why the insult? because that freedom of speach. dont like it, sorry.
if your stats of weight are correct that im sadly mistaken... i figured a 370K lexus made of nearly all carbon fiber and a smaller engine would weigh far less then an american hunk of metal for 70k.
displacemet was irrelivent to the argument, wich was about horsepower out-put on avrage for V10 engines... u said the LFA was faster, i stated otherwize and why.
@dvldi gald i can make you laugh. but thats fact. freedom.
now... fiberglass? just the body. theres allot of other heavy ass shit that goes into a viper that you dont get on expensive cars. along with that massive engine... guess that goes to show... how crap japs and euro make cars when they use lightweight components and still fail.
and actually qtr mile times, ( sad to think your trying to compaire 90's car to a 2005+ cars but w/e)
I say "The Viper's body is made of fiberglass" and you answer "fiberglass? just the body". How is that going to help?
I found 11.6s for the LFA (measured by "Car and Driver"). So what do we do now?
The fact remains: the LFA has a smaller engine and the SRT10 has an even bigger one than the Viper in the video. So you even failed to prove that the weakest V10 sports car you could find is beaten by the strongest production Viper you can find, so still: "underpowered"
@dvldi yes "just the body"that implys things like the chasis,,,, are just regular run of the mill materials with a few light exeptions... unlike the LFA that features full race spec designs. but thats what you get for 370k...
sad to think its still so heavy. and you found 11.6 from car and driver? i found 11.8 from auto rivals.
and i've found stats that say the viper can run a 11.5 with a Perfect run.
still, sad to think, launch control and sequential gears only pull .1 sec faster...
"The Viper's body is made of fiberglass" doesn't imply anything else, in contrast to your "hunk of metal".
Oh, Auto Rivals ... what a credible source!
And again you're trying to distract by talking about price and weight and so on, but ignore the fact that the LFA's engine is far smaller than the Viper's ... and it doesn't matter if it is 10sec or 0.1sec faster, the fact of the matter is, it *is* faster, so still nothing wrong with calling the Viper 'underpowered'.
@dvldi yes it does imply, if you include the rest of the sentance -___-
and yes ... auto rivals, they tested the vehicles, on a track, with real people... FUNNY! thats exactly what motor trend did.... wow.... guess there not creditable either. since name means everything.
.... and again... how is it under powered... give me a list of V10 engines from 1997-2002 that make well over 500hp,
now give me a list of V10's that make over 600hp to rival the SRT10... go for it.
@dvldi you said it has a fiberglass body... i said yea it does, but other then that thoes body panels, the rest of it is heavy metals ( to keep cost down) none of the crabon fiber, aluminum etc... that you get on expensive cars.
so again.... we gotta go through this... this is actualy a gen2 viper... RT10 was Gen1.
it makes 450hp... your naming supercars that are far newer... name some V10's that are from similar time periods ie. 1997-2002
Ok, there's different generation ratings for the Viper and for the one that sees SRT-10 as gen3, you're right. Means: 420-450hp. Not a real difference.
You know, that the Viper was the first modern V10 sports car, so of course all the others are younger, but what's the advantage out of this?
And again: number of cylinders is far less influential in terms of power than displacement, but despite being huge the Viper engine is beaten e.g. by the Carrera GT's smaller V10s.
@dvldi its not truely "beaten" ... power to displacement ratio is greater on the porshe, yes.
the vipers pushrod design engine is old school, and generates FAR MORE torque then the carraraGT's V10... thus not truly being a more powerful engine.
wait for dodge to build an engine that features components like Duel overhead cams and a race bred technology inside ( like the carrara's engine ) then compaire apples to apples.
cuz right now ur goin apple Vs oranges, both fruit, both diffrent
@dvldi your ansures are irrelivent and have no fit here. your comparinf to diffrent engines of diffrent build designs and saying the technologicaly advaced engine is better because it creats more hp with lower displacment, yet it fails to provide more torque. CarraraGT: 0-60 3.6 sec 1/4 mi 11.1 sec Weight- 3000lbs, Duel clutch tranny, launch control drag Coeff; .39 (top speed 201mph) ViperSRT10 0-60 3.6 sec 1/4 mi 11.7sec weight- 3450lbs, manuel tranny, no TCS top speed 193mph
Basically you've said that all before and repeating it doesn't make it any more correct. Oh, and the Porsche engine is more advanced? Yes it is. And how does that contradict my point?
If torque is the secret behind speed, why does the Viper fail to beat the Carrera GT? Oh yes, because the GT is lighter. So, the Viper doesn't have enough power (or torque?) to move its weight faster than a car with a far smaller engine ... some people would call that 'underpowered'.
@dvldi your seriously wasting time, trying to prove your right when your sooo wrong.
how is the GT faster? yes because it weighs 450lbs less. and has a high final drive ratio.
take 450lbs out of the viper, raise its gear ratio to match the porshe. and redo the race. that poor porshe can bairly beat the viper as-is... imagine with an equal playing field. or better yet... compaire it to an ACR viper, that shit will run neck-to-neck with the GT, and the ACR is only 80lbs lighter....
So to sum that up: if you took away all the advantages of the Porsche, while keeping the Viper's advantages, the Viper would match or even beat the Porsche. Wow, what a surprise!
But the simple fact of the matter is: the Viper isn't 450lbs lighter and hasn't got the Porsche's gearbox, so making up 'what if' scenarios doesn't lead anywhere.
i raced a viper in my supra about two months ago, and same result...
and my supra is not very modded... just a t88, headers, 32psi and other mods...
29223gilbert 17 hours ago
Hey, asshole, I'm sorry I don't spend all my time on the goddamn Internet you fuckin nerd, we just finished putting a new intercooler and piping in my buddies supra tt, I actually know how to work with engines. Thumbs up to you for being a douchemonster
cadpat3 3 days ago
Lmao! Thats a 2jz-gte Inline 6, japan didnt make v6's in the 90's haha. Get your facts straight
cadpat3 4 days ago
@cadpat3 yes they did you are a fucking moron
XxXLostDkSoulXxX 3 days ago
@cadpat3 in 92 they had the 1jz-gte and in 93 with the mark iv they introduced the 2jz-gte wow get ur facts straight.
XxXLostDkSoulXxX 3 days ago
But a stock any viper vs a stock supra would kill it hands down. If the supra is twin turbo there beast as hell! But a twin turbo viper would still kill it. Look some up on here, 900hp on 5psi twin turbo. He could put that shit on 35psi if he wanted, the video I'm talking about lol
zerroskater 1 week ago
Didn't even look like the viper was trying until the end of the video? Lol anyone can film a nice car and then push the gas and watch it go away like they did.... Till it flys by them at the end!
zerroskater 1 week ago
V6 destroy V10
XxXLostDkSoulXxX 1 week ago
@XxXLostDkSoulXxX
You think Supra's are "V6" then you're truly a dumbass.
CJAEY 5 days ago
@CJAEY really dude there are a inline v6 look up specs dumbass edmunds (dot )com / toyota / supra /.
XxXLostDkSoulXxX 4 days ago
@XxXLostDkSoulXxX
You're a fucking retard.
There is no such thing as a "inline v6" It's a inline 6/Straight 6.
A V6 has 2 banks of 3 cylinders, a straight 6 has 1 bank of 6.
You lose, dumbass.
CJAEY 4 days ago
@CJAEY yes i understand but your stil a fucking moron for thinking a supra didnt have a inline6 there was never a v8 supra ever they all came with a inline6
XxXLostDkSoulXxX 3 days ago
@XxXLostDkSoulXxX
You're a DUMBASS.
You clearly said "really dude there are a inline v6 look up specs dumbass"
You seriously thought an Inline 6 and a V6 were the same.
You lost your pathetic argument. Give up, you clearly don't know shit about cars.
CJAEY 3 days ago
@CJAEY STFU you still lost the point that the supra has a inline6 because you said it didnt so GTFOH bitch
XxXLostDkSoulXxX 3 days ago
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@XxXLostDkSoulXxX
Lol are you really that fucking stupid?
"V6 destroy V10" This is your original comment, V6's and Inline 6's are totally different layouts dumb fuck. If you wanna keep arguing about the same shit, because you clearly don't know shit about Supra's, you need to sit the fuck down.
I said Supra's don't have V6's, then you later said Supra's have a "really dude there are a inline v6 look up specs dumbass edmunds (dot )com / toyota / supra /."
Inline v6?
LOL Sit the fuck down.
CJAEY 3 days ago
@CJAEY 320Hp Supra turbo was a 24 Valve V6
XxXLostDkSoulXxX 4 days ago
Jap all the way
itzztazz 3 weeks ago
And who said the Supra is modded???? No description says this, and title is three words. Grow up whiney babies lol....your V8 muscle car got handed to you by a 6cyl. Now that is embarrassing. Quit talking junk about modding this and tuning that. Is that what it takes for "muscle" now? Considering all the lame comments about ricer this and ricer that, I am confused. I thought you only needed muscle...now you gotta tune them? Hahahaha hypocrites and haters. Haters and hypocrites lol.
135yota 3 weeks ago
@135yota supra is obviously modded, you can hear the bov during every shift. i love supras but put these on a track and the viper will dominate it. theres a reason why the acr viper is the 4th fastest production car on the nurburgring and why supras always seem to be built for big power in straight lines. they excel in different areas
ttam142 3 weeks ago
@135yota wow i see you posting a nother dumbass comment about somthing you have no clue about what you are talking about first off a viper is not a V8 you dumb ass put a turbo on the viper and then we will see who spanks who and secondly this didnt even look like a race to me just a bunch of guys teasing each other
trx420fm1 2 weeks ago
@135yota and that also wasnt and ACR viper that was just a viper RT an ACR would have been gone like at the end of that VIDEO
trx420fm1 2 weeks ago
Whiners because that mighty viper lost to a 6cyl. I have watched extremely modded tt vipers against extremely modded Supras and the Supra still won. BTW, Since when did "Mopar" need mods? lol
135yota 3 weeks ago
@135yota you really are a idiot when it comes to cars you need to stick to comparing flash light brightness
trx420fm1 2 weeks ago
@trx420fm1 OHHH! LOL!!! Oh, shit! You clowning like a muthafucka!!! LOL. Im in tears! Dammit! Whooo....LOL!!!!
TheMsmith77 2 weeks ago
@TheMsmith77 WTF you aight BRO need me to call 911 cause i didnt see any thing funny BUT YOU
trx420fm1 2 weeks ago
@trx420fm1 Oh, get tissue, wipe eyes blow nose. So many cry babies on Youtube. Maybe it should be called BOOBTUBE. So many people so defensive, but hey glad I could make you laugh. Sign on to BOOBTUBE where the bitch made comments are laughed at, at best. I was laughing at YOUR comment, but I guess you have light bulbs crushed up your ass. I would be defensive too. LOL. Tooo damn serious, poor thing.
TheMsmith77 2 weeks ago
What was the camera car in??? xD
Japanesef1 4 weeks ago
These videos are never impressive...Supras are great but every time you see this the supra is modded and the Viper or Ferrari or Lambo is stock. Ask them what happened to the videos from when they came across some modded ones... Probably sitting at home in a secret stash. XD
huntyourmama 4 weeks ago
@huntyourmama Go watch tx2k videos and start from there.
decside 3 weeks ago
the supra wasnt even fucking trying!! hahaha beast!
TrickItUpBeatz 1 month ago
may the forced induction be with you
benbowcott 1 month ago 3
@benbowcott LOL!!! Man, you COULD NOT have said that any better. Best comment on youtube I have read!!!
TheMsmith77 3 weeks ago
Talk about tag teaming!!! LOL. Dammit!!!
TheMsmith77 1 month ago
Theres never been a Viper prices $200,000. You can pick up a late 90s for around $30k, and a late 90s Supra for around $30k. So lets see, a Modified Supra up against a stock viper.Hmmmm. i wonder whos going to win. dumb shits
BlackVenomPictures 1 month ago
@BlackVenomPictures thats what im sayin it like putting the skyline fromhell against a built supra get a turbo viper and put it against a turbo supra i bet the out come is alot different
TheClown316 1 month ago
Now imagine a tuned and heavily modded viper.
Gunner3210 1 month ago
wow, hardly a viper. look at that shitty body kit. driver must be a real ass.
TedMan55 1 month ago
66 people drive muscle cars ;)
007shakers 1 month ago
thats not just any old viper lol , henessey venom tt to be kinda exact
xxthedrizzlexx 2 months ago
66 ppl know the difference btwn someone who works hard in life to buy a fast car vs. someone who works hard to make there car go faster.
slaawm1 2 months ago
Supra FTW
radar3699 2 months ago
66 ppl drive vipers
NDave1991 2 months ago 15
You dont buy a supra to keep stock dumbass
WisconsinAssAssN 2 months ago
lol buy a supra are u guys stupid? the supras are uber moded... they cannot compete against stock vs stock if u gonna put a car to race against a moded when mod the other too stock vs stock... and u know the difference
shomoser12 2 months ago
@shomoser12 Viper = $200.000 ,Supra under $10.000 shut the fuck up! with your "uber"
chrisl7289 1 month ago
@chrisl7289 stfu idiot viper is 80 or 90 k fool not 200 and put it up against stock ass wipe the supra is tuned something ur small intelect cannot understand u bleeding dumbass
shomoser12 1 month ago
supra the best :3
MrWinkboyz 3 months ago
That dodge viper was playin with that supra!
Akdog08 3 months ago 2
ide take the dodge sell it buy a supra
ramG35 3 months ago
2 dream cars, but i preffer Supra !
Yudaumguitarpro 4 months ago 56
@Yudaumguitarpro
yeah man !!!
Repliter 4 months ago
@Yudaumguitarpro you can get a supra for under 10grand lol
arnoni11 2 months ago
@arnoni11 i have a 2jz motor with single large turbo and i just dont know which car to put it in yet i was thinking id put it in my camaro just for shits and giggles
uploaded113redone 2 months ago
yea!!! Supra is super! They sure can take a lot of tuning for sure.
PunctualProletariat 4 months ago
it would have trouble with the rare art viper
MrStigrules 4 months ago
Yea! Super Supra Power!
PunctualProletariat 4 months ago
...Look at all this idiots argue on youtube, I'm lol at U.
Droymarin 4 months ago
elinas eisai?
tomakosssss 4 months ago
speaking of making a petrol engine dish out higher torque figures... riddle me this...
an enzo ferrari does the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds flat.
its lighter, greater traction, far more aerodynamic and more Hp. then the viper.
it also has a sequential gear box that can shift gear 3x faster then a manuel gearbox....
and yet, with all thoes advantages over a viper... it only manages to be .7 seconds faster... sad part is- is thats a 600hp TT diesel truck on dirt tires can run 11 seconds
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Because the truck is optimised for the 1/4 mile, while the Enzo goes on to 220mph after it?
Same thing with the Viper: even the most powerful one runs out of steam at 202mph despite having full 2.4 litres more in displacement!
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi the truck is optimized for the qtr mile? and the enzo isent? its a race pedagree car, is designed to grab the track hard, and power through it as fast as it can.
give the truck the same weight, aerodynamic propertys, and gearing and i garantee it fly past the enzo
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
The Enzo is not optimised for the 1/4 mile, because real racing is over longer distances and includes corners. You don't win a race at the Nürburgring or Monza or Le Mans or Laguna Seca just by being the fastest on the first 1/4 mile. Give the Enzo a gearbox optimised for the 1/4 mile and it blitzes your ludicrous truck.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi the enzo's gear box is optimized for a good quarter mile run, i've done drag racing for a few year.
a heavy first year, and lighter 2-3rd gears, ya its setup just right.
and yes, for an engine to be more powerful then the other in needs to surpass in torque aswell as HP, just because torque is not worded as "power" dosent mean its not "power" its Force, force is power. Energy.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
You claim the Enzo's gearbox was optimised for the 1/4 mile? So you can surely show me some evidence for this.
You say a car needs more torque to be considered more powerful and say it doesn't. So what do we do now?
Redefining words so that they fit you point makes the whole discussion pointless.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi you want evidence, your at a computer right? look up speeds the car is capable inn each gear.
i did not say a car needs more torque to be considered more powerful, but that is 1 of the factors that equal a more powerful vehicle. as ... like i said, torque is the acting force of effort propelling the vehicle through the air.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
*You* claimed the Enzo was optimised for the 1/4 miles, so it is *you*, not me who has to prove it and 'speed per gear' doesn't prove optimisation.
Why are you always screaming "torque, torque, torque", but don't want me to say "displacement"? The Viper has so much torque because it has such a big engine, but a big engine with a low number of cylinders has its disadvantages as you can see in comparison to the Carrera GT or the LFA or the Enzo.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi yes , it is actauly speed per gear, because its already got the suspention for launching hard, sequential gears to stupid fast shifting, and amazing traction through thoes high end wide tires.
all thats left is a proper gear ratio, whitch it has. what that exact speed # is i cant tell you ( trust me im trying to find it) from memory i belive it was 55 mph in 1st gear, 120 mph in 2nd and i think 150mph in 3rd ( i think) again from memory. thats actually a good set.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
It seems you don't get the point (again). Optimising means building it for a special purpose and speed per gear numbers don't say anything about Ferrari's intention.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi no sir, you dont get it,
a higher gear ratio means the engine car rew wide and steady without bouncing off the limiter.
the 3 taller gears are better the 4 or 5 shorter gears when the car is lightweight and high hp/tq
thats why many purpose built dragsters are built with 3 spd gear boxes. the enzo is a race car, designed to take bends fast, and blister through the straits. it is infact design to eatup the quarter mile fast. everything about the car is setup right for it.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
My friend, the Enzo may well be very good on the 1/4 mile, but that does not in the least say it was designed for that. So I'm still waiting for evidence that you didn't simply make it up.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi the viper has so much torque because of the displacment, thats partialy correct, not fully, its short strokes are the other half of it.
a big engine with lower cylinders has its disadvatages, so does a smaller engine with higher amounts of cylinders.
and the O8' viper altho revised,still makes the same Hp/tq output, but weighs less and yes it is faster
i found 201 mph for the carraraGT, 203 for the viper
11.1 gtr mile for the GT, 10.9 for the viper
0-60 3.6 for the GT, 3.4 vipr
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
power/torque:
'03-'06 Viper: 370kW, 712Nm
'08-'10 Viper: 450 kW, 760 Nm ... How's that the same?
top speed:
'08-'10 Viper: 202mph
Carrera GT: 201.5 mph
Wow, it can beat a car with 2.7l less in displacement by 0.2sec an 0.5mph (at which observational error?). Impressive! How can anyone call that underpowered for a 8.0? :)
See? Compared to let's say an Audi TT the Viper isn't underpowered of course, but for a car with an engine that size it is.
dvldi 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
...oh I'm so sorry for calling the Viper a "8.0". The one we're talking about here is a "8.4" of course.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi Carrera GT: 12.0:1 compression, 612hp, 435ft-lb, $440,000.
Viper SRT-10 ACR: 10.2:1 compression, 620hp, 570ft-lb, $110,000.
More power, way more torque, faster 1/4 mile, slower top speed (1200lbs of downforce slows that down), and 1/4 the price. I'd take the Viper too.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago in playlist toyota supra
@Milehighsnake98:
The Carrera GT still has a smaller engine and price wasn't the topic here, so let's compare cars with 8l engines:
Viper SRT-10 ACR: 8.4l, 620hp, 570ft-lb
Bugatti Veyron: 8.0l, 1001hp, 922 ft·lb
What was a Viper again? Oh yes, a snake.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi Don't forget to put the T after the Veyrons 8.0L... Or maybe a QT, ; ).
bliglum 4 months ago
@bliglum:
How did I know that this would come? ;)
Yes, the Veyron has 4 turbo chargers, but who said Dodge must not use chargers? And the Veyron has one charger per cylinder bank, which doesn't mean it had 4 times the effect, as people often try to suggest by saying it had 4 turbos.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi your kidding wowowow.
carrara is faster then 03-06' viper
but its slower the the 2008 viper.... that viper has the same engine, with the same output.
only diffrence is that its got 350less pounds of weight.
and yea the carraraGT has 2.7L less displancment, its also a far more advanced engine, with duel overhead cams, and varitable cam timing. not pushrod BS...
and yet it still has 12 more Hp and weights 100Lbs less..... and is slower in everyway to the viper....ha
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Look it up. From 2008 the Viper had a heavily revised engine with 8.4l in displacement.
How is the Carrera GT "slower in everyway to the viper....ha", when it goes up to 334kmph while even the '08 Viper is only capable of 326kmph? And again: We're still on youtube and the Viper in the video we're talking about isn't even an '03, let alone an '08.
Face it: by design, the Viper is not a proper sports car.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi ... wow
1. the stament was "vipers are underpowered v10's"
thats refering to ALL vipers, not specifivaly the GTS.
2. making a claim like thats is like saying "porsches are underpowered sports cars"
based of the fact that a 924 has like ... 150hp
3. how is the viper not a proper sports car when it hold a lap record of 7:22 around the nurburgring?
not even ferraris pride and joy "enzo" can set a lap that fast. and now the viper set an even faster time on DOT aproved tires.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
1. We're still on YouTube and normally comments are in context to a video
2. No it isn't
3. Because the Nordschleife - in contrast to modern race tracks - has many long straights, where you can compensate for bad cornering and the lap times were done with ACR Vipers, which are kind of Vipers turned into race cars which even lack a radio and with 430 gen IV ACRs produced can hardly be called production cars. Even the Carrera GT was built 1270 times!
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi 1. yes were on youtube, but saying vipers ... thats plural reffering to multiple vipers, not targeting1
saying "women are stupid" refers to all, saying "that women is stupid" is a specific target. got it?
2. "No it isent" no what isent? porsches underpowered? hey thats me apply the same pricipal as "vipers are underpowered"
3.... ya compensate for bad cornering, whitch is why the ACR pulls higher G and faster slalom times right? bairly a production car, is still a production car
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
1. AFAIK they produced more than one gen2 Viper, so "vipers" in this context refers to those.
2. It isn't the same. Porsche produced e.g. the 911 at the same time as the 924, Dodge did only one Viper at a time.
3. I said "by design, the Viper is not a proper sports car". This refers to its concept. By design a Porsche Cayman is a better sports car even though it is slower. The Viper had to be turned into a race car to compete with cars with far smaller engines.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi I'd like to know where the Viper was turned into a race car to compete with anything...Even the 1999 ACR, which was cheaper than the Honda NSX, beats 75% of cars within 2x its price.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago in playlist toyota supra
@Milehighsnake98:
It was turned into a race car to compete e.g. with the Porsche Carrera GT and we aren't talking about price.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi No it wasn't. It was outfitted with a wing, a chin spoiler, and a different suspension. The ACR-X is a race car. The ACR is 100%, 50 state legal production car. ACR is a trim level just like "Cobra" is a trim level of mustang, or "Turbo S" is a trim level of Porsche 911. Is a 911 Turbo S or a 911 GT2 RS a "race car"? No.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98:
Yes it was. For what do you need an elaborate aerodynamics package, a highly adjustable suspension and near-racing tires - with the latter being a real disadvantage e.g. on wet roads - over a radio if not for racing? And again: what do you think the "R" in "ACR" stands for?
The GT2RS is basically a race car, the Turbo S isn't.
Making such a car road legal is for track day use. Anyway, with an 8.4 the Viper shouldn't need those changes to be fast, but it does actually.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi Sorry, but just because a car has a big engine doesn't mean it handles well. If you want to handle the best, you have to use the best hardware, that's pretty simple. Porsche has their CMMD brakes, you don't need that on a street car, yet you can get them on Caymans and 911's that are not GT2 or GT3 cars. Even a regular 911 Carrera has aero improvements for stability at speed and to improve performance, so why should a Viper not? And "near race" tires are still not race tires.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98:
"...just because a car has a big engine doesn't mean it handles well." That's exactly what I was talking about! A big engine doesn't necessarily make a good sports car.
If you want me to answer your claims on Porsche, you should answer my questions first.
Where did I claim 'near race tires' were 'race tires'? I said they were a disadvantage on wet roads and guess what? They are. They're just not meant for everyday use, so what does this tell us about the car they're used on?
dvldi 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML ACR is pure production. ACR is just an option package on the SRT-10 Viper. You could order it on a standard Viper order form. It was literally an option box just like a different radio. But again, the Viper ACR is only $110,000, and the Carrera GT is $440,000. Can get 4 ACRs and take 3 friends and go hoon on a track together while the C-GT guy is by himself, getting lapped by all 4 vipers.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago in playlist toyota supra
@Milehighsnake98:
But the Carrera GT driver can listen to some music, doesn't look like a show-off and has a pretty girl in his car.
C'mon. You're talking ego, not facts.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi Wait, so a Viper that is dedicated to pure performance is ego, but the Porsche supercar that you talk about taking a "pretty girl" out in isn't? Pot, meet kettle.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago
@Milehighsnake98:
So the Viper (ACR) is dedicated to pure performance but isn't a race car? Doesn't make sense, does it?
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi actually, up to 2009 there were 1243 ACRs built. They also aren't race cars. They have off the shelf coilovers, a wing, and Pilot Sport Cup tires. Same engine as the SRT-10. You can NOT compensate for bad cornering with power in the straights. The ACR has a top speed of 180mph, not the 202 of the Carrera GT. But your production count is flawed. An ACR is just an option package on the SRT-10. Not a separate model. Is the V10 a separate model of Audi R8? No.
Milehighsnake98 4 months ago in playlist toyota supra
@Milehighsnake98:
So, they aren't race cars? ACR means "American Club Racing", so what does the R stand for again?
And the ACR is slower than the base model (202mph)? What is that good for in a race car?
And still: the Carrera GT has 2.7l less in displacement. Or take the Lexus LFA: it does a 7:14.64 on the Nordschleife with 3.9l less. You see, the ACR lap time is not really impressive for a 8.4l. Furthermore: Nordschleife laptimes aren't officially measured in any way ... not a good benchmark.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi and yes they "run out of steam" ....no, there not geared for the higher speed, aerodynamics and weight are gearing is whats making speed, along side with torque to keep pushing through the air resistance.
for thoes reasons is why the viper poops out at 202, and the ferrari keeps going.
and as for V10 engines ( for an engine to truly be more powerfull it must surpass is both Hp and torque)
all of thoes cars you named fail at having more torque, and substantialy higher hp.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
No, to be more _power_ful, you need more _power_, not more torque and to be _more_ powerful, you need _more_ power. not _substantially more_ power. And who defines what is _substantially_ more and what is not?
And to put that straight: number of cylinders is much less of a critical figure in judging whether a car is underpowered than displacement is and you surely don't want me to name all the cars that have more power from about 8l of displacement.
dvldi 4 months ago
ill take the viper
flipsk8ter1080 4 months ago
@flipsk8ter1080 to heck with a viper you can get a corvette zr-1 which has better handling suspension and an overall better design and it would smoke a viper for about the same price
supafly9426 4 months ago
I was waaay in the front on my segway.
TimeStream76 5 months ago
obviously a supra cant beat a viper in a stock race so that is my opinion.
deepengrave 5 months ago
Nothing will beat a supra
4drek 5 months ago
@4drek another supra with a bigger turbo can;)
xyzdorky66 5 months ago
@4drek what about a 1200 hp quad turbo w16 veyron ss?
gtaspecialist900 5 months ago
@gtaspecialist900
A single turbo supra can push that amount of power, about to see it happen with my buddies mk4. and that's only an inline 6 3.0litre.
4drek 5 months ago
@4drek silly statement...
ffgew22 5 months ago
@ffgew22
they don't make cars like this anymore, and if they do.. not just anyone can afford it. Best bang for buck imo is the supra. Too bad I can't find anything down here that's worth it. Most mk4's here are auto :|
4drek 5 months ago
@4drek You're absolutely right, they don't make cars like they used to, too many environmental changes and cars are governed by computers now, whereas back then it was more just you, a basic computer, and engine!. Now everything you do in a car has to go through an electronic "committee" first lol. I prefer old cars myself too, I just wouldn't go so far as to say the supra can't be beaten.
ffgew22 5 months ago
@4drek my lights are faster
justo824 5 months ago
i take the viper fuck supra.
deepengrave 5 months ago
@deepengrave i take both
gtaspecialist900 5 months ago
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@gtaspecialist900 lol i guess you are right.
deepengrave 5 months ago
You guys are pretty much all idiot know nothings about cars. The Supra is a far more inferior car. The only reason it won is because they were already going 60+MPH and turbochargers get all their power at high RPMs. From a stand still, that Viper would destroy them.
OldboySaint 5 months ago
@OldboySaint As a Viper fan, I disagree. The Supra won because it was heavily modified, not because it was from a roll. Vipers don't put the power down very well on a drag strip either. 18" wheels and short sidewalls don't launch well, even with a 345mm wide tire. It's just a matter of that's a modified twin turbo car vs a stock Viper.
Milehighsnake98 5 months ago
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OldboySaint 5 months ago
durango copper pearl <--- easily my favorite automotive paint tone of all time..
but DSM factory paint on a viper? dayum
Jagethemage 6 months ago
More than you can afford pal. Viper.
ZoneTHS 6 months ago 6
I'm sure the supra is a fast car and all, but the viper is a much better car imo. To each his own though.
crackparty 6 months ago
very fast cars!!!!
GadAshell15 6 months ago
@MirrorOfInsanity25 actually their not, 450hp/500ft tq from a pushrod Naturally asperated Engine...
thats actually good.
CemetaryGatesML 6 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML
Actually they are.
BMW M5: 500bhp/384 ft lb with 3 litres less in displacement,
Porsche Carrera GT: 612bhp/435lb ft with 2.3 litres less in displacement
both V10, both naturally aspirated
dvldi 6 months ago
@dvldi but thoes engines aren't old school pushrod design. they also can run saftly on regular pumpgas due to their compression ratio.
CemetaryGatesML 6 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Yes, but MirrorOfInsanity25 did say "underpowered V10s", not "underpowered pushrod V10s, which can run on low-grade fuel". You can't just turn anything so that it fits your views.
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi yes well if he's going to rate this style of engine against a completly diffrent style engine, thats not right...
its apple Vs oranges... both fruit, but completly diffrent.
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Don't be silly! We're only talking about slightly different concepts of piston engines. A combustion engine compared to a turbine, that would be apples v. oranges. What you have here is called progress.
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi im not gonna argue with the diffrence in engine designs... but i asure you... talk to a true engine builder... because i ca go on...and on... from fuel delivery, efficency, drag etc... modern design engines make power far easyer. 500 from this old school engine isen't bad.
like hell, the veyron has a 8L engine, and 4 turbos ... and only makes 1000.
a damn zonda roadster has a 7.3L and also makes 500+
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
What exactly is your point?
500hp from an engine with an outdated design may not be bad, but there are superior designs available today. So why is it so hard for you to except, that someone saying this Viper is (by todays standards) an "underpowered V10" has got a point?
I mean you wouldn't buy a car that delivers 120hp out of a 6.8l engine, because that was not bad, back in 1926, wouldn't you?
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi my point is clear, why you question it is beyond me, matter of fact you re-stated my point.
we established that the Vipers V10 is not underpowered. 500hp is very common among V8,V10, and v12 engines. its Ci size is whats overkill but is whats needed for the old design.
and yes i would buy a 6.8L engine that makes 126hp... in 2011 because thats sounding like diesel engine stats ... whitch makes HUGE torque... and torque is the secrete behind speed, not horsepower.
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
No, your point is *not* clear and we have *not* established the Viper isn't underpowered. What we have established is, that its engine is designed in an outdated way.
Basically, what you're saying is "it's not underpowered, it just has too much displacement for it's power" ... yeah, and I'm not too fat, I'm just too short for my weight.
If torque is the secret behind speed, why don't they just use Diesel truck engines for racing cars?
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi my point is very clear.... and proven correct
the vipers engine is an old design, thus 500hp and 510ft tq from this design is more the acceptable.
also, 500hp.... thats not underpowered. thats right about avrage of what a sports/super car should be at.
btw ... they do use diesel engines for racing.... matter of fact i belive the audi R18 and Peugot 908 are diesel powered race cars that run in LMP1 and LMP2 for le mans 24hr
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
No, your point isn't clear and stating it was proven correct doesn't make it any better. The Viper's engine is an old design and therefore it can't deliver what an engine this size actually could, so it just isn't acceptable in a sportscar. Truck yes, sportscar no.
Yes, there are racing cars with Diesel engines, but: 1. Diesel engines have advantages regulation-wise at Le Mans 2. Most racing cars are still petrol driven 3. I said "Diesel truck engines" not "Diesel engines"!
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi how is it not acceptable in a sports car? because of its size? thats irrelivent.
the vehicle as a hole performs exelent.
most racing cars are petrol driven... irelivent, regardless diesel engines took 1-5th place this year
and yes they do use diesel truck engines, in dacar, cross contry, drag and baja racing.
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
It's not acceptable, because sportscars are about performance and delivering less performance, just to be able to run on low grade fuel or something is missing the point.
And how does a vehicle perform "as a hole"?
Calling everything that doesn't fit your opinion irrelevant isn't very helpful, as well as ignoring all my points you don't like.
And they use truck engines for truck racing? What a surprise! But after all your claims: why don't they use them e.g. in Formula 1?
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi ... wow
1- how is it delivering low performance, 500hp and 510ft tq is sufficent.
2- being able to operate on a lower grade of fuel= lower combustion ratio witch means less stress on the interals...whitch equals reliabilty,
3-as a hole, sorry im on my iphone here, it predics words for me, i ment whole, dident realize i was talking with a 6yr old but whatever...
your coment was irrelivent, just because more cars use petrol...big woop.
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
1- Learn the difference between "relative" and "absolute".
2- Sportscars aren't so much about reliability, that it would make sense to trade performance in for it and today there are other ways to make engines more reliable.
3- The iPhone doesn't predict "hole" when you type in "whole" but more importantly: you seem to forget that we don't use my native language here, so sometimes I have to ask people to understand them right, so no need to be so arrogant (6yr old and so on)!
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi sports cars arent so much about reliabilty? so what are you saying there focused on performance and if there fragile and break easy who cares?! LOLOLOLOL go walk into ferrari ans ask them that LOLOLOL
yes, the iphone does predict words... i type in Who- and i get a prediction of words that match that, one of witch is "hole" that was right beside "whole" need more explaining?
your native laguage? not my problem.
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
No, you're wrong. What I'm saying is that building cars always means making compromises and in a sports car, a good compromise goes towards performance without making it fragile. A car can last for 2 million miles, but with a top speed of let's say only 60mph it doesn't deserve to be called a sports car, so reliability doesn't contradict the statement that this Viper is an "underpowered V10" .
You're not able to operate your phone? Not my problem.
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi compromize is for poor engeneering.
and im not sure how long ur gonna ride that "under powered V10" statment... if you can go out and find some production cars that have V10 engines and significantly MORE power then 500hp/510tq
then i will accept the vipers engine is infact underpowered...
also... yes it is your problem, because your the one making a deal about the choice of words...
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
If you really knew about engineering, you'd know that making compromises is actually its core. And you proved my point yourself: If the Viper was uncompromising about performance, why has it got an OHV engine? And if it was uncompromising about reliability, why didn't they limit it to let's say 1500rpm, to reduce the forces in the engine and the drivetrain?
The statement said "underpowered", not "undertorqued", so: Lamborghini Gallardo, Porsche Carrera GT, Audi RS6, ...
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi you got to be kidding right....
you get what you pay for bud, you compramize quality, reliabilty, performance, technology to fit the price.
look at somthing like the bugati veyron...no compramize there, only i high price tag.
again its not underpowered... the galardo, the carrera GT the audi...how much power do thoes engines make? about 550 right? how many production cars that feature V10's have less then 500hp???
puttinh the SRT10 mid range, not below or "underpowered"
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Why should I be kidding? 2 days ago "compromize [was] for poor engeneering" and now you're talking about price ... and even a Veyron is full of compromises, e.g. they could have made it lighter, but for that price, people expect thing like air con.
Porsche: 612hp ... and all the cars I named have far less displacement than the Viper, so with an engine that size it should be on top, but isn't, so: 'underpowered' ...and it's *your* turn to name those weaker V10 sports cars.
dvldi 5 months ago
@dvldi comprmize is poor engennering, nothingsperfect, you can have everythig, your a fool if you think a car can be perfect. sandly i wish it could but it cant.
the veyron is as close to near perfect, but it has its price, you get almost everything you could want out of a car.
again with displacment bs.... the origonal argument is "underpowered" V10" stick to it.
good a porsche has 612hp...good for it
how about the Lexus LFA? 500hp flat ... and piss poor torque
CemetaryGatesML 5 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
So what you say is "A car can't be perfect, but compromise is poor engineering"? Sorry, but that's a contradiction.
You expect me to not talk about the Viper's huge displacement and keep coming up with torque, when the topic is power? What's that supposed to mean?
Ok, the LFA then ... with little more than half the displacement, it hasn't got less power than the Viper and still it is quicker and accelerates faster, so what's all the torque in the Viper doing?
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi you realy are stupid.... a car cant be perfect, it cant do everything... you get what you pay for, what you pay is how close you can come to perfection. thats were poor engineering comes in, to fit the price you can allow.
the vipers displacment is irrelivent at this point as were talking horesepower... whats that torque doing you ask, well lets see, the LFA weighs wayyyy less due to being nearly all carbon fiber, and sporting a 6 speed Sequential gearbox. and is .03 sec slower 1/4 mi
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Why the insult again? Afraid of being wrong? I've said from the beginning that engineering always means making compromises and now you (basically) repeat that and call *me* stupid for it? Where's the logic in that?
If horsepower is the only crucial figure here (and you don't want to here about displacement), why are you suddenly talking about weight and gearboxes? Furthermore: the Viper weighs 1,490–1,570 kg, LFA: 1,480–1,580 kg. How's that "wayyyy less"???
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi why the insult? because that freedom of speach. dont like it, sorry.
if your stats of weight are correct that im sadly mistaken... i figured a 370K lexus made of nearly all carbon fiber and a smaller engine would weigh far less then an american hunk of metal for 70k.
displacemet was irrelivent to the argument, wich was about horsepower out-put on avrage for V10 engines... u said the LFA was faster, i stated otherwize and why.
whitch on a side note, the SRT10 makes 600hp.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Because of the freedom of speech you insult others? Uhm, very funny!
The Viper's body is made of fiberglass and in your words: price is irrelivent.
FYI: The SRT10 came with the second generation of the Viper, but the car in the video we are talking about here is clearly a gen1, so it is 384-456hp.
And as for your 1/4 mile time: gen1 Viper GTS: 12.2sec, LFA: 11.6sec, SRT10: 11.77sec, so I still see no reason to contradict MirrorOfInsanity25.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi gald i can make you laugh. but thats fact. freedom.
now... fiberglass? just the body. theres allot of other heavy ass shit that goes into a viper that you dont get on expensive cars. along with that massive engine... guess that goes to show... how crap japs and euro make cars when they use lightweight components and still fail.
and actually qtr mile times, ( sad to think your trying to compaire 90's car to a 2005+ cars but w/e)
i found 11.77 for the viper, and 11.8 for LFA
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
I say "The Viper's body is made of fiberglass" and you answer "fiberglass? just the body". How is that going to help?
I found 11.6s for the LFA (measured by "Car and Driver"). So what do we do now?
The fact remains: the LFA has a smaller engine and the SRT10 has an even bigger one than the Viper in the video. So you even failed to prove that the weakest V10 sports car you could find is beaten by the strongest production Viper you can find, so still: "underpowered"
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi yes "just the body"that implys things like the chasis,,,, are just regular run of the mill materials with a few light exeptions... unlike the LFA that features full race spec designs. but thats what you get for 370k...
sad to think its still so heavy. and you found 11.6 from car and driver? i found 11.8 from auto rivals.
and i've found stats that say the viper can run a 11.5 with a Perfect run.
still, sad to think, launch control and sequential gears only pull .1 sec faster...
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
"The Viper's body is made of fiberglass" doesn't imply anything else, in contrast to your "hunk of metal".
Oh, Auto Rivals ... what a credible source!
And again you're trying to distract by talking about price and weight and so on, but ignore the fact that the LFA's engine is far smaller than the Viper's ... and it doesn't matter if it is 10sec or 0.1sec faster, the fact of the matter is, it *is* faster, so still nothing wrong with calling the Viper 'underpowered'.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi yes it does imply, if you include the rest of the sentance -___-
and yes ... auto rivals, they tested the vehicles, on a track, with real people... FUNNY! thats exactly what motor trend did.... wow.... guess there not creditable either. since name means everything.
.... and again... how is it under powered... give me a list of V10 engines from 1997-2002 that make well over 500hp,
now give me a list of V10's that make over 600hp to rival the SRT10... go for it.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
How does "American metal hunk" imply a fiberglass body?
and again:
the car in the video (remember this is YouTube) is a generation 1 Viper, so we are talking about 384-456hp. You're trying to manipulate again.
So, Porsche Carrera GT, Audi RS6, Lamborghini Gallardo.
And now you give me a list of V10s with well below let's say 500hp.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi you said it has a fiberglass body... i said yea it does, but other then that thoes body panels, the rest of it is heavy metals ( to keep cost down) none of the crabon fiber, aluminum etc... that you get on expensive cars.
so again.... we gotta go through this... this is actualy a gen2 viper... RT10 was Gen1.
it makes 450hp... your naming supercars that are far newer... name some V10's that are from similar time periods ie. 1997-2002
then find 2003-now V10s that make over 600
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Ok, there's different generation ratings for the Viper and for the one that sees SRT-10 as gen3, you're right. Means: 420-450hp. Not a real difference.
You know, that the Viper was the first modern V10 sports car, so of course all the others are younger, but what's the advantage out of this?
And again: number of cylinders is far less influential in terms of power than displacement, but despite being huge the Viper engine is beaten e.g. by the Carrera GT's smaller V10s.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi its not truely "beaten" ... power to displacement ratio is greater on the porshe, yes.
the vipers pushrod design engine is old school, and generates FAR MORE torque then the carraraGT's V10... thus not truly being a more powerful engine.
wait for dodge to build an engine that features components like Duel overhead cams and a race bred technology inside ( like the carrara's engine ) then compaire apples to apples.
cuz right now ur goin apple Vs oranges, both fruit, both diffrent
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Oh no, the same excuses again ... guess what: they're still not making sense. Read my previous postings and you'll find all the answers.
dvldi 4 months ago
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Basically you've said that all before and repeating it doesn't make it any more correct. Oh, and the Porsche engine is more advanced? Yes it is. And how does that contradict my point?
If torque is the secret behind speed, why does the Viper fail to beat the Carrera GT? Oh yes, because the GT is lighter. So, the Viper doesn't have enough power (or torque?) to move its weight faster than a car with a far smaller engine ... some people would call that 'underpowered'.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi your seriously wasting time, trying to prove your right when your sooo wrong.
how is the GT faster? yes because it weighs 450lbs less. and has a high final drive ratio.
take 450lbs out of the viper, raise its gear ratio to match the porshe. and redo the race. that poor porshe can bairly beat the viper as-is... imagine with an equal playing field. or better yet... compaire it to an ACR viper, that shit will run neck-to-neck with the GT, and the ACR is only 80lbs lighter....
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
So to sum that up: if you took away all the advantages of the Porsche, while keeping the Viper's advantages, the Viper would match or even beat the Porsche. Wow, what a surprise!
But the simple fact of the matter is: the Viper isn't 450lbs lighter and hasn't got the Porsche's gearbox, so making up 'what if' scenarios doesn't lead anywhere.
dvldi 4 months ago
@CemetaryGatesML:
Oh, and by the way: the Carrera GT doesn't have a double clutch gearbox.
dvldi 4 months ago
@dvldi sorry i was thinking bout our LFA convo ... regardless is still features a twin plate ceramic clutch.
that shit is race grade, wayy fkn better then what you get in a viper.
regardless you see how supriror hp dosent mean faster? imagine if the viper weighed 450lbs less.
CemetaryGatesML 4 months ago