I have just built two MaV passenger cars for my garden railway - see them on tacs trains. Hungary? A place I love to visit - friendly people and beautiful places to see - what is not to like?
I was interested in this post until I read the part about Hungarians being extre-terrestrials. At that point I suddenly lost interest. My Hungarian neighbour is just toooooo fat to ever fit in a flying saucer.
In geography you can follow the Hungarian language.Greece islands /Karpathianos or Samos/ Hungarian mounten and river even today .Bihar county in India exatly the same in Hungary.Go to Italy or Japan /location Tokai -we write it Tokaj.Take an ancient map ,check Israel locations Arad-Arpad those are Hungarian names .Check Tamana web and you will find Hungarian names S-Amerika ,Afganistan Afrika all over the world .You know what? Those names spread not 10 years ago rather 10 000.Do you wonder ?etc
Galev12: No, we Hungarians are not stupid, we just act stupid sometimes, You are right. This tendency to argue over trivialities has been our bane for centuries.
Az iskolában sokat röhögtünk az ugynevezett finn-magyar nyelvrokonság felett. Pl azt mondták, hogy a mondat "jon a vonat" finnul igy hangzik: "jüna tule", de mi pestiek inkább azt mondtuk, hogy "jön a tuja", ezzel bizonyitva a nyelvrokonságot. Hahaha!
But it is such a beautiful and satisfying feeling to be able to type accent marks.in Hungarian!
I live in South Africa and studied some African languages. To my amazement, I discovered that these languages also don"t have gender and possess only a simple past tense, just like Hungarian. Othedrwiose tehir strcutrue is completely different from any Indo-European language. In other words, when speaking English, these people often use "he" for females and "she" for males, on teh other hand, it took me years to learn the usage of the many English past tenses.
Hey people' We are to comment on ouir language, not to fight historical battles.
Hungarians are no better or no worse than others. Yes, we suffered much injustice by more powerful nations, we"ve had our traitors, sell-outs, ethnic cleansers, but we also had excellent writers, poets, patriots, scientists,and enlightened kings like Mátyás, we fought for our freedom in 1848 and won but were were beaten down,by a superior force.We should be proud of our unique language but not to curse others
I love my Hungarian language, the poetry,, the popular songs, the richness of expression, even the unprintable jokes. It is our tragic history that I find moving and regretful. Our language is beautiful indeed, but we are probably the worst politicians in the world. We as a nation are just as alone as our mother tongue, which is not related to any other, in spite of some dubious claims. I feel also that Budapest is unknown and underrated by most foreigners
If so, you must have an outstanding literature. I'd like to know it and have already started learning the language. I love the palatal sonorant ( you know which one I mean) :-).
@GeeVee2 The first variation on 'Haydn themes' by Brahms. I found this in the collection which contains the Brahms' Hungarian dances and this is the (distant) connection of this music to the Hungarian language.
My mom's Hungarian and my dad's Romanian. While I think Romanian is beautiful and sweet sounding, I have to say Hungarian is so totally cool. I love how there's no other language like it in the world. It's alot of fun to speak because of it's amazing and unique sounds. I don't believe the "gy" exists anywhere else. I've also heard the Hungarian language has roots in Sumerian. How cool is that? That's almost like saying Adam and Eve spoke it.
I love Hungarian and Uralic peoples and Indo-European peoples too. But beware of Turkish propaganda guys. Many Turks are trying to link the Uralic Finno-Ugric people to the Turkic peoples, based on a mythical 'Turanian' theory which has no strong evidence or anything. So be careful of fabrications from Turkish nationalists.
@BoAbkal there is no 'finno-ugric'' language those uralics were pushed up there from caucas area, and they are like the 'turkish languages' or more exactly the scythian remnant peoples languages.
Hungarians have nothing to do with Finns or Uralic Mountains. It's a myth made by Habsburgs. Hungarians are descendents of ancient Sumerians, Scythians, and Huns.
I'm american and i have a very english/irish background...but i've been fascinated by the hungarian language lately. It seems to me that you can basically say anything you desire to in it; that there's a word for everything. I find it extremely fascinating and i'd love to learn that language at some point.
Hungarian is, indeed, a beautiful language. Once I had a burning wish that I could speak it. A girlfriend of mine in college (in the U.S.) was born in Hungary. She was fluent in English, but her grandfather, who had come with them to the U.S., was in a nursing home where I volunteered and couldn't speak a word of English. The poor old gentleman had been a diplomat in pre-war Hungary. He spoke six languages fluently, but no English. It was very sad and frustrating that he was so isolated.
And indeed, it's really so sad if someone couldn't be socialized lack of knowing a language spoken around him. Thought I have never any problems with making relationships when I was an exchange student on abroad (due to even the English) but I was suffered by homesickness as hell because I couldn't talk to anyone in my mother language :(
(with exception of two student girls from Hungary when I visited them into the dormitory)
@fordtruxdad Hungarians may have some troubles with learning European languages because those ones are utterly different than ours.
I like English because it's a very powerful language to explain or describe events, plans or regularities. Thought my English is so far from being good I can study math or natural sciences in English more easily than in my mother-tongue. But Hungarian is more human and poetical for describing emotions, intention and desire as accurately as humanly possible.
Thought Hungarian really has a strange and unique nature it's not so hard.I know a lot of people who came to my Homeland without knowing any single word in Hungarian but now they can speak such fluently I couldn't recognize that they are not native speaker of Hungarian. :)
One of my room mate in the dormitory was a Serbian guy who fled from the South Slavic war to Hungary and achieved refugee status. For months I never thought that he isn't Hungarian until he told it to me :))
creation of separate families for Uralic&Altaic languages are purely based on 20th century politics.Turkish is the most closest relative of Hungarian language. Most(if not all) of the grammar rules are same and nearly all words related with agriculture and horse riding in Hungarian adopted from Turkic. Hungarians also used a variant of Turkic runic script b4 Latin.Most of our language similarities comes from early medieval era. we also share about 3500+ words today which most comes from Sumerian
Hungarian does have more words in some areas and less in others. For example, what is the difference between prawn, shrimp, crab, lobster, ... They are all 'rák'. There are more words in Hungarian though for family relationships. For example mother and mother-in-law have two single different words.
If you want to compare Hungarian and English, to say the same thing usually, but not always of course, uses more words in Hungarian.
@ImprobableWizard The grammar (or rather the whole structure) of Hungarian language is much important and unique than the pure vocabulary.
As I mentioned before I never assert that the Hungarian would be "the zenith of all human logic" I would rather say the East African ones for that (if any). And though my English is so far from being good but I can study mathematics in English much more easily and efficiently than in Hungarian perhaps due to its density and logical system.
@rikanov Jesus, couple of Hungarians about are arguing their own language using... English, for some reason! I tell you what: noone will ever give shit about your country more just because you're pretending to be a "smart" nation. Bottom line: your country is small and your language is not so hard as you all say it is!
Thought this video is devoted to show the NON-HUNGARIANS' opinions ONLY about our language, you're right, we have just a very small country and may an inconsiderable history. Because we have neither unleashed opium-wars nor traded with black-slaves moreover we never "civilized" other lands by colonization and extermination of its native-people and generally we did not commit anything whereby the glorious European history is full of.
But somehow, I don't feel shame for absence of these thing.
@JonnyLightning Sorry, I'm afraid I have no idea what kind of treatment you think about. What did we commit against Jews perhaps? Accommodating them to Budapest when they were FLEEING from the neighbor countries then providing sanctuary for the Nazi deportations? What do you think why Budapest has the biggest Jewish community in Europe, huh?
And say, I'm eager to know what we commited exactly against Serbs, Romanians etc. they didn't do against us or other people, hmm?
Hungary began its own form of the Nuremberg Laws in 1938 that restricted Jewish rights, many Hungarian Jews were deported or just outright executed, and there was finally the mass deportations in 1944. 550,000 of the Jews who died in the Holocaust were Hungarian. The attempted Magyarisation of Croatia, Slovakia, Banat, and the Romanian areas of Transylvania. No, some of those people are not innocent themselves, but the fact remains that Hungary is not perfect or blameless.
Indeed, we aren't. Regarding to "Jewish laws" you must know Hungary didn't allow Germans to deport any single person until 1943 ) and we provided sanctuary about 35-40 thousands of Polish Jews by giving them fake Christian baptism documents due to the Hungarian Catholic Church.
Magyarisation? What does this strange word mean? All the neighbor countries have a relevant Hungarian minority (think a bit why) which people was BORN Hungarian and not forced to be that because it's an unmitigated liar.
They did eventually deport them, however, and with a fevrent devotion that even suprised Adolf Eichmann, who was in charge of deporting the Jews of Hungary (outside of Budapest). And big deal, you saved 40 thousand Jews but deported nearly 500 thousand. And the ones that survived in Budapest were forced to remain in the ghettoes.
Magyarisation is what you did to the Croats and Slovaks in the 19th century, forbidding them from levels of society unless they learned Magyar.
Even the mutilated Hungary was invaded and exploited by the Checzslovakian and Romanian armies and NOT in contrary. (which fact makes some brainless chauvinists very proud but I never blame these nations for having idiots). Moreover, in the 19th century Hungary belonged to the Austro-Hungarian empire leaded by the Habsburg dinasty without own self-determination. (and Hungarians were also forced to use German language in offices)
Please, learn more history before writting these bullshits.
Belonged? You bitched and moaned for so many years that by the 19th century Hungary was, in fact, its own seperate nation, with offices that used Magyar and even its own customs office for trade with Habsburg Austria. They were only forced to use German with their dealings with Austria, not in their own country. Hungary was part of Austria in name only. Why don't you try learning some of your own history before accusing me of bullshit?
@JonnyLightning What-ho! Who try to teach us for our own history? Who allegedly live in USA but somehow has even worse English than mine? Not mentioned his alleged ascendents from a bunch of European nations.
Don't make me laugh, mate. You know almost NOTHING about the European nations and history in 20th century.
Get a life and look for an other pleace for being troll.
@JonnyLightning So I not really understand why do you expect us to be responsible for genocides committed by Germans? In this way you can also blame Polish people for building the most dreaded extermination camps but what is it if not a foolish bullying? Also, comparing the 20th century Hungarian (not so good) foreign affairs and putting it into the same category with Holocaust, Opium wars or black slavery trade is more than ridiculous.
Commited by Nazis yes, but with the explicit help of many Hungarians. Indeed, the Hungarians were allied with and fought for the Nazis, and benefitted because of it, at least at first.
Also, is it really? You attempted to put down other cultures and promote Magyar supremecy within the lands of St. Stephen, despite the fact that Hungarians were not the majority in many of these areas and those people had their own cultures and languages.
Committed by GERMANS because there has never been "Nazi" nationality (and they also called themselves as German instead of Nazi), moreover from France and Netherlands upto Ukraine (i.e. in all the occupied lands) they could always find proper people easily who were willing to cooperate with them.
And according to the "Benes laws" even Hungarians were deprived from their basic laws as the rights to being live or having own property not mentioned the rights to own language and culture.
Committed by many peoples, not just Germans, they all considered themselves Nazis or some equivalent. The point is, Hungarians helped too and aren't innocent, which is what you were attempting to say.
As for the Benesz Decrees, what does that have to do with Nazism? That's the Sowjets destroying culture, which is a totally different situation (and one I believe needs to be rectified).
@JonnyLightning I hope you just pretend to be so fool. YOU talked about the ethnic conflicts of the Carpatian basin by ACCUSING Hungarians of doing that.
You fool, even HUNGARY was occupied by the neighbour countries (and not conversely), and ten-thousands of INNOCENT Hungarians lies unsigned mass graves in the territory of former-Yugoslavia slain by Serbian millitarists.
@JonnyLightning In the April of 1919 both the Czechoslovakian and the Romanian army broke through the boundary-line demarcated by the Great Powers and more than one year BEFORE signing the Trianon peace treaty they practically annexed Transcarpathia. They took over administration and the Czechoslovakian military authorities initiated military law in the territories occupied by them.
And now, you should either seek an other playground for yourself or ask your mother to teach you how to behave and offer an opinion as a grown-up before I have to spank you, retard.
I love Hungarian, my mother tongue. But being aware of how outlandish a language it is, I must share with you this anecdote:
After Creation, God decided to distribute languages to people. He gave each a language: took the first one and told him you speak French, the second English, the third Russian, then Italian, German, and so on and on. When the last one came, God saw that he ran out of languages, so He told him: "you speak as you wish"…..and he started to speak….Hungarian.
@mgk11111 Where you take this from? People all spoke the same language, until they started to build Babel's tower to reach God and overthrow him, that's when he cursed them so that they all speak a different language. They did not understand each other, and everything fell.
Everybody knows that ! Is there a special hungarian bible version i'm not aware of?
Mr Language Guy : my post was for another guy, who told a stupid thing : the hungarians when came in Europe they didnt had words for brother and sister.
In your case, my reply is : maybe is not more precise, but is easiest, dont need 2 words, 1 is enough. In hungarian i can tell such way like in english : older brother = idősebb fivér, but this two words have a simple one wich is bátty.
So, with one hungarian word i describe this : elder male sibling = older brother.
But you have right, we didn't have grammatical genders, coz it is not needed.
How can have a bread female gender (the bread didn't have dick or pussy) - example in romanian, o pâine.A stupid example for this is the "o pulă" in romanian, wich mean "a dick", but you describe something male with female gender, this is top of stupidity, don't you ?
sickness666, from where you get this stupid information ? Lets examine this question - i think you will see, that the english didn't have so much words for describing this : 1.Testvér - any gender (brother or sister too) 2.Fivér - only male gender - brother 3.Nővér - only female gender - sister 4.Nénny - your elder sister 5.Hug - your younger sister 6.Bátty - your elder brother 7.Öccs - your younger brother How do you telling these in english ?
@antoniusnagyur 1. Sibling. 2 Brother. 3 Sister. from there you have to use adjectives (older/elder/younger etc).
However, do you think that a language is more precise because one word does the exact same job as 2 in another language? i.e.-- bátty vs older brother. I don't really see the difference between adjectives and the roots that this video talks about when it comes to the presence/lack of precision.
@mrlanguageguy Hungarian language doesn't require regular world order for example and you can take a huge advantage from this fact by using word reordering for emphasis.
Tegnap boltban voltam -I was in a shop yesterday.
Tegnap voltam boltban-I was in a shop yesterday (and not another time)
Boltban voltam tegnap-I was in a shop yesterday (and not in another place)
And if it's not enough you can initiate the sentence by forebringing a part. sentence How can you did it in any European language?
...and due to the features of the agglutinative languages we can increase our vocabulary almost infinitely and we can do it in a very easy way. Most of these "created" words are utterly untranslatable to any (non-agglutinative) languages as like the European ones.
But as I wrote before this video is devoted to show the oppinions of those non-Hungarian people who studied our language in some degree and became acquainted with the unique nature and structure of Hungarian.
This vid is joke, isn't it? Hungarian language has about 30% words of slavic origin. There is also lots of hungarian words of german origin. When nomadic tribes from Asia came to Europe(magyar=hungarian was name of only one tribe) they vocabulary was really poor compared to they new neigboor. They didn't even have words as brother or sister.
@666sickness Please, give up this miserable, chauvinist bullshits. Comparing with the European languages even the proto-germans can't be older than 3000 years old while the Hungarian language has more than 4000 years old relationship to the Uralic - Finno-ugric language group unlike the Slovakian perhaps which has been existing independently since 1787 only.
And if you have inferiority complex disorder that's not the Hungarians' fault, sorry.
@rikanov True can't be chauvinist, true is just true. Do you compare codification of Slovak language to some kind of relationship of hungarian language to Uralic languages?? No wonder, there is difference :D And man, 4000 years? Come on! There are about 300 original words in your language. And no offence.
I am a hungarian from Transsylvania, and as i see you are slovakian.
So, an american professor Grover S Kranz theory was, when he studied the european languages, that the hungarian is a language from mezolithics (11000-8000 years before Christ)
Read my posts below wich wrote to you.I am really courious - since i didn't know slovak language, that have slovakian language those words wich i've translated to english ? PLS reply ;)
An another interesting thing, slovakian friend : the italians have 50 words to describe how a man or animal moving.We have at least 80 (i've added +10 and still can find words) and if we are dotting these 80 words with our prefixes and suffixes, we have 2400 words (i have the list to prove what i am telling).
So this 300 words you talk about is a big-big bullshit.
But maybe you have right 10000 years ago, maybe the hungarian really had only 300 ;)
@666sickness Yea, true just remains true as like a chauvinist propaganda just remains a ridiculous bullying wherein only narrow-minded people believe.
As like you.
So, have we had only 300 "original" words? No, you're wrong, thought our language has kept more than 600 words and roots from the common ancient Uralic language but it doesn't mean that Hungarians knew only those ones. Sorry, but nobody considers that some chauvinist idiot bark or what they think about the history..
lol what an interesting perspective... as a child I could never make up my mind which language sounds worse Hungarian or German. No offense but for one that knows even a little bit about this language this video is a joke.. "most expressive".. lol they don't even have a gender so when Hungarians try to speak Romanian they use the wrong gender most of the time. Nonetheless Magyar must have its own unique features.. perhaps it is logic but the rest is just stories.
@cirizbook Indeed, we haven't "even" grammatical gender classes (as like the all other language except Europeans) but honestly we not really feel lacking of it.
What's the rule of classification of nouns by their gender in conducing to expression or understanding? Eventually nothing. Moreover, a lot of European languages (Scandinavian languages perhaps) have already losen (or merged) this grammar rule in order to avoid even that confussion they cause. It's utterly redundant in my oppinion.
@rikanov lol u can't feel the need of something your mind does not span. Just like in a world of integer numbers they don't really "need" any reals. Its like trying to map a smaller set to a larger one. Look at a short example: EN: "how many?"... not very clear.. how many boys or how many girls but RO: "câți?" or "câte?" short but exact question. In EN and HU you need to add words to be more specific: "how many boys/girls?"
@harhamfilm Due to the features of agglutinative languages we can make thousands of new words by using only one simple root and make change the meaning of sentences utterly different as well by simple rearranging word-order which is utterly imposible to do in European languages. So, as you can see we not really need to 'steal' words from Slovakian perhaps.
Anyway, in many cases there are mappings between "smaller" and "larger" sets existing even if one of them is a proper subset of the other.
"gelemeyebilirim" means "it might happen that I won't be able to come" in English.
I can push harder for creating a long word like "Avustralyalilastiramadiklarimizdanmisiniz". This means "Are you also one of the one's, which we couldn't make Australian?" in English :D
Ofc this was Turkish which is the most widely spoken agglutinative language in the world. Also Hungarian and Turkish shares about 3500+ common word from early middle ages.
Cool video :-) My dad has studied the language and its origin since he went on pension 24 years ago and told me lots about it. History and other things. :)
@Vogter2100 Well, from a historical point of view the Denmark and Hungary are so similar: once both nation had enormous Kingdoms and gave prominal characters to history and science but now we live in our own foot's lenght countries only, lol.
(persze, meg még sok más egyéb dolognak is) valószínűleg nem ez volt a fő érv. de ez továbbra sem érinti a csángókat, vagy ha igen akkor nem értem hogyan. Számi parlament van, csángó nincs. Számi nyelvtan van, csángó nincs....vagyis van, csak úgy hívják, hogy magyar. De belátom én nem vagyok szakavatott, meg fogom kérdezni a Janku Laurát mi a véleménye. Üdv
Gondolom te is érzed, hogy az 1993ban elfogadott elv inkább kibúvó és a jelenlegi "mindenki az aminek vallja magát" korszellem szélsőséges alkalmazása.
Másrészt érdekes kérdés, hogy kinek van illetősége az egész csángóság nevében kijelenteni, hogy a csángó nem magyar nyelv? A moldvai csángók eleve legalább három népesség (székelyek, mezőségi magyarok, egyéb) utódai. Csak mostanában kezdik magukat a mi ösztönzésünkre népcsoportnak tekinteni.
@kanyit Ez az elfogadott elv akkora nagy "mindenki az aminek vallja magát" kibúvót jelent, hogy a számik (s nem lappok) éppen ennek köszönhetik Norvégiától kapott, teljes területi autonómiájukat. (persze, meg még sok más egyéb dolognak is)
A finn nyelvtani rokonságban áll a magyarral. Ez nem "kitaláció". Amúgy az egész nyelvcsaládosdi alatt rezeg már a léc, de még ezt tanítják, mert jobb nincs.
A csángó pedig nem nyelvrokon, hanem a magyarnak egy nyelvjárása. A csángó szóval nem egy népet jelölünk, hanem egy néprajzi csoportot, mint a szegediek, palócok, matyók. Akikre te gondolsz, azok a moldvai csángók, de mellettük vannak hétfalusi, dévai, gyimesi csángók. A csángó szó a székely nyelvjárásban elkóboroltat jelent.
@kanyit Ha jól emlékszem, akkor 1993ban tartottak egy nyelvészeti konferenciát, melynek fő témája annak meghatározása volt, hogy mikortól tekinthető két nyelv különbözőnek. Jobb ötlet híjján végül azt az elvet fogadták el, hogy amennyiben a nyelvet beszélők a maguk nyelvét különbözőnek tartják a másik népcsoport nyelvétől, akkor azt különbözőnek kell tekinteni, innentől a csángó már nem magyar nyelv, mely egyébként is jóval több ponttól tér el a magyartól, mint a többi magyar dialektus.
@kanyit S az uráli nyelvcsaládi kapcsolatokat nem azért tanítják "mert nincs jobb", hanem azért, mert az egyetlen nyelvészetileg megalapozott tézisről van szó, ami már régen nem számít elméletnek... de még ha lenne is értelmes, valóban jól alátámasztott alternatívája, akkor azt valószínűleg nem egy-két, az echo tv műsoraiban nyilatkozgató, önjelölt (ál)tudóstól fogjuk majd megtudni.
Pár éve is behoztak ide a városba is több millió éves fákat,amik a föld alatt voltak ilyen sokáig. Ez mind fennmarad. Nem kell mindig átcseszésre gyanakodni.
@pamtya94 Növényi fosszília a fekete kőszén és az általad említett faopál is, azonban ezekről aligha lenne leolvasható bárminemű írás is. Nem tudok egzakt becslést adni arra, hogy ember által készített/használt fa eszközök meddig őrződhetnek meg, de figyelembevéve, hogy még a több tízezer keresztrefeszítésről sem maradt fent egyetlen egy tárgyi bizonyíték sem (mázsás fadarabok...), úgy saccolom hogy ez az idő maximálisan másfél ,esetleg két évezred lehet.
I am a Hun, I think all languages are interesting, it is pretty cheesy to be proud of your native language. How could be one language better than the others?
@Ge311rgo I have never asserted that the Hungarian (or an other language) were better than others. This video is devoted to show the beauty of our heritage by quoting non-Hungarian (so more or less independent) writers. Moreover one of my friends did it and not me, I just made this amateur video for it (after some guys in an international dormitory in Denmark called our mother tongue as an ugly and primitive gypsy-mongol barking)
@pamtya94 ha érdeklődsz a téma iránt látogass a magtar.hu ra mondjuk Géczi előadást halgass végig + ez a nyelv a világon az egyetlen ami beszélve magánhangzók nélkül is értelmes és érthető
Azt mondják nyelvészek,hogy kutatások alapján a magyar mondható a legrégibb nyelvnek. :D Írták,hogy úgynéz ki,hogy a magyar az ősnyelv. Ugyanis a világon az egyetlen olyan nyelv,amit a legtöbb helyen és a legrégibb helyeken találtak. Nemrég viszont találtak egy olyan magyar rovásírást egy botra vésve,amiről kiderült hogy 16-20 000 éves.
Egy Varga Csabát ne hívjunk már nyelvésznek, még viccből sem! S mielőtt hivatkoznátok ezekre a huszon-harminc-akárhány ezer éves nyelvemlékekre, kicsit gondolkozzatok már el, ilyen idő távlatból milyen faragott bot maradna meg olvashatóan jó állapotában, mikor néhány évszázad eltelte után is csak rendkívül speciális körülmények mellett rekonstruálhatóak ezek a leletek, úgy ahogy. Nem érzitek úgy néha, hogy ezek a "tudósok" csak a bolondját járatják veletek?
hááát, attól függ hogy milyen természeti körülmények között maradnak meg ezek az emlékek. Én személy szerint láttam 2000 éves és 8000 éves fákat,amiket egy tó legaljából halásztak ki. És mégis jóállapotban voltak..nem azt mondom hogy teljesen tökéletes állapotban voltak,de ez érthető mert nagyon sokáig víz alatt voltak. Ha egy barlangban találnak ilyet ott nagyobb esély van arra hogy akár 30 000 évig is tökéletes állapotba marad. Csak utána kell ezeknek nézni.
@rikanov "épp hogy kijöttek az erdőből, s újdonságként nézték a tyúkot, a széket és a betűt?" Szóval a finn ugorok beleértve minket is civilizálatlanabbak voltunk a törököknél, ép hogy kijöttünk az erdőből és írás tudatlanok voltunk?
Azokat a szavakat amiket a példa használ, mikor is vehettük át időben?
@rikanov Csak kérdezni szeretnék, nem kötekedni , nekem valóban nincs akkora rálátásom ezekre.Az hogy a finn nyelv és a magyar nyelv rokona egymásnak és egy közös ősből, a finnugorból származnak, az nem jelenti a biológiai kapcsolatot?
A cikk azt mondja igen, de a nyelvészet csak bólogat(nagyon szakszerű).Továbbá azt írja a finnugoron kívül a szamojéd nyelvek is idetartoznak,ettől kezdve a nyelvcsaládot urálinak nevezzük. A magyar tehát mai szakszóval uráli nyelv
"Azt tehát, hogy a finnek a magyarok rokonai, a nyelvészet nem mondja (hiszen ehhez biológiai vagy történeti vizsgálat kellene), csak annyit mond - de azt rendíthetetlenül! -, hogy a finn nyelv és a magyar nyelv rokona egymásnak és egy közös ősből, a finnugorból származnak. (Említsük meg, hogy a XX. században kiderült, hogy a rokonság ennél bővebb, mert a finnugoron kívül a szamojéd nyelvek is idetartoznak, s ettől kezdve a nyelvcsaládot urálinak nevezzük"
@rikanov Hunfalvy Pál véleménye volt -, a magyaroknak a nyugati kereszténységre térítésük előtt írásuk nem volt, s az a szkíta-hun írás, amelyről krónikásaink tudósítanak, csupán "az oláhok cyril írása volt, a hun-székely ábécét pedig néhány XVII. századi tudós szerkesztette
Oh my, and that is how you know Hungarians: they make stupid debates all over the place which ends up in "you are stupid" "no, You are stupid". A waste of our marvellous language :S
@stanlerstasik it is very big bullshit for me.. I can t belive that your words are not your native words a half of your words are slavic so it s unbeliveble
Ezzel csak annyi a baj, hogy nekünk magyaroknak semmi közünk nincs a finnekhez! Az egy nagy hazugság. Több közös van bennünk az észak- amerikai indián törzsekkel mint a finnekkel vagy bármelyik északi néppel.
Értékelem, mikor valaki még a kérdést sem érti. Genetikát, származást, nyelvi vagy antropológia hasonlóságokat csak az önjelelölt "tudósok" vegyítenek össze, akik rendszerint egyik területen sem járatosabbak egy laikus érdeklődőtől.
Az összehasonlító nyelvészet szabályai szerint, a magyar nyelv a finn-ugor nyelvcsalád, ugor ágához tartozik, ezen ma már sehol nem folyik szakmai vita.
@rikanov Továbbá, genetikai meg kultúrális jegyeink alapján 100%-asan közép-európaik vagyunk, gyakorlatilag megkülönböztethetetlenek a környező (szláv nyelvű) népektől. A nyelvészet és a genetika teljesen két különböző fogalom tehát.
Tudományos "szenzációkat" meg független szakfolyóiratokban szoktak legelőször közzé tenni, nem pedig a bulvár médiában vagy a politikailag elkötelezett TV adók beszélgetős műsoraiban.
@rikanov te kis zsido kulturbarom!azt hiszed,hogy felsobbrendu vagy?a kivalasztott nep!rohognom kell!isten kivalsztott benneteket egy feladatra,hogy a celjat elerje.csakhogy a celja nem az,hogy a zsido nep uralkodjon a foldon,hanem ,hogy megmutassa az embereknek az emberi gyarlosag es kapzsisag mintakepet.csak szeretnem,ha tudnad,hogy a vilagon mindenki utal benneteket!:-Da satan nepe!mi vagyunk isten nepe!!!ti csak verfertozott korcsok maradtok mindannyian.:-D
Ez esetben, kedves Isten Népe, jó lenne ha a továbbiakban ezt a rátok jellemző primitívséget megtartanád annak a közegnek, amelyikből te is ideténferegtél.
S csak hogy megnyugtathasd az idegeidet, tájékoztatlak, hogy nem vagyok zsidó.
Mi hasznuk volt vagy lett volna belőle? Mert a "múltjától megfosztott nemzet" engedelmességre bírható? Ugyan már!
Egyébként, nem ők "erőltették" ránk, hanem mi magunk, maga az Akadémia is éppen a magyar nyelv kutatására, értékeinek feltárására lett létrehozva, illetve az akkorra már évszázados tudományos vita eldöntésére.
Nyelvészetileg az uráli nyelvcsaládba tartozunk, ezen ma már nem folyik komoly szakmai vita.
nagyon vigyazz,hogy honnan szerzed be az informacioidat!a vita azert tenyleg nem folyik,mert egyoldalu!a finnek mar vagy husz eve nem tanitjak a finnugor elmeletet,mert egy nagy baromsag!csak nalunk,szerinted miert?mi az ,hogy urali nyelvcsalad?ezt a kifejezest most hallom eloszor!
wazze!te olyan sotet vagy ,hogy azt nem lehet elmondani!:-D
Ez a "finnek már vagy 20 éve nem tanítják" duma pont egy rátok jellemző hatalmas nagy ferdítés.
Hazugság, hogy úgy mondjam.
Nagyon érdekes, akárhányszor belebotlok egy kreacionistába, holokauszttagadóba, UFO hívőbe vagy esetleg egy hozzád hasonló szittyahunba, mindig ugyanolyan ködösítéssel, makacs győzködéssel s "elhallgattatásos" konspiráció elméletekkel találkozom.
Azon, hogy most hallasz először az uráli nyelvcsaládról, egy percig nem csodálkozom.
@rikanov az urali nyelvcsalad kifejezes csak szamodra es a hasonszoru agymosott emberek(?)fejeben letezik!szamomra az az erdekes,hogy olyan nyelveszek akiknek el tudom fogadni az allaspontjat,egyik sem emliti sohasem!:-D
na figyelj ram baratom!az ,hogy nem vagyok muveszettortenesz az azert van ,mert otthagytam a muvkart,azert ,mert annyi baromsagot probaltak megtanitani,hogy mar hanytam tole!egyik ellentmondas a masik utan es ha rakerdeztem akkor csak hebeges volt a valasz!annak az embernek hiszek ,aki amit mondd hiteles azert,mert nem tudok kerdezni,vagy nincsen miert kerdezni, az teljesen egyertelmu es logikus!!szamomra ez az elfogathato!!
Bizony-bizony, gondolkodó ember számára a kételkedés nem csak lehetőség, de bizonyos fokig kötelesség is. Na persze, ez semmit nem változtat azon, hogy hosszú idők óta eddig ez az egyik legmókásabb magyarázat arra, hogy miért is bukott ki valaki az iskolapadból. S hadd gratuláljak neked még külön azért is, hogy mindez a mai (béka segge alá lesüllyesztett színvonalú) felsőoktatásban történt, azon belül is az acélosan kemény művészettörténész szakon.
Te csak itt ne sértegesd a magyarokat, ha valami nem tetszik, cáfold, és ne az undoritó szarkazmusaiddal fröcsögj! Ha találsz bármilyen kulturális kapcsot velük, esetleg tárgyi bizonyitékot, jelezd, addig viszont ne erőltess elméleteket rá emberekre, amig az néhány hasonló szavon alapul. Az hogy ki miben hisz meg mindenkinek saját dolga. Rokon nyelv ez biztos, de nem több egyenlőre. A szkita megnevezés meg nem egy népet takar koma!
Először is ne komázz, mert nem tereltünk együtt disznót, másrészt meg senki nem sértegette a magyarokat, legfeljebb csak a hozzátok hasonló fél-analfabéta idiótákat, akik ráadásul valamilyen sajnálatos pszichés kényszer hatására kizárólagosan csakis saját magukat tekintik magyaroknak.
@rikanov érdekes a stílusod. Túlságosan fölényes, ezért időnként irritáló.
Most zajlik az ellenpélda, nem látod? Egy hamis dicső múltal egy ország alapítható és megerősíthető. Lásd Szlovákia. A románok miért ragaszkodnak a dákoromán elmélethez? Fordítva is működik. Milyen egyszerű manipulálni...csak a megfelelő emberek kellenek a vezetésbe.
@hun0208gs Ez úgy hülyeség, ahogy van, már ne haragudj. Szlovákia sem a dicső múlt legyártásával ért el sikereket, hanem a dzurindai reform politikával. Azonban, még ha így is lenne, történelmi hipotézisekkel sem mennénk sokra, nevetséges hipotézisekkel meg végkép nem, csak magunkból csinálunk hülyét.
S még valami: sokadszorra mondom el, nyelvészeti kérdésről beszélünk épp, s NEM történelmiről, ha meg kérdéseid vannak, akkor klikk a videó alatti linkre!
@rikanov nagyon úgy tűnik, hogy ebben az esetben a nyelvészet és a történelem összefonódik. Bármennyire is fura. Hiszen a finn-ugor rokonság felrugásával indult meg a finn-ugor nyelvcsalád felrugása is. Lehet rosszul gondolom.
Egyébként csak egy kérdésre válaszoltam. Így megállja a helyét a válasz.
A reform az gazdasági, de egy nemzetnek kell a múlt. Ez egyfajta biztosíték. Ha nincs akkor sebezhető.
Then you could see that we are not extra-terrestrials, LOL.
And, of course, you are always welcome here :)
KritaCat 3 months ago
I have just built two MaV passenger cars for my garden railway - see them on tacs trains. Hungary? A place I love to visit - friendly people and beautiful places to see - what is not to like?
tac
tacfoley 4 months ago
Actually, that friend of yours was me, just for curiosity :P
What or who can I owe for your visit to? :) I haven't seen you on msn for a very long time :((
rikanov 4 months ago
I was interested in this post until I read the part about Hungarians being extre-terrestrials. At that point I suddenly lost interest. My Hungarian neighbour is just toooooo fat to ever fit in a flying saucer.
tac
tacfoley 4 months ago
In geography you can follow the Hungarian language.Greece islands /Karpathianos or Samos/ Hungarian mounten and river even today .Bihar county in India exatly the same in Hungary.Go to Italy or Japan /location Tokai -we write it Tokaj.Take an ancient map ,check Israel locations Arad-Arpad those are Hungarian names .Check Tamana web and you will find Hungarian names S-Amerika ,Afganistan Afrika all over the world .You know what? Those names spread not 10 years ago rather 10 000.Do you wonder ?etc
juhaszszsz 4 months ago
Latiatuc feleym szömtökkel mik vogymuk. Isa por és chomu vogymuk.
ianshaw34 5 months ago
Galev12: No, we Hungarians are not stupid, we just act stupid sometimes, You are right. This tendency to argue over trivialities has been our bane for centuries.
ianshaw34 5 months ago
Az iskolában sokat röhögtünk az ugynevezett finn-magyar nyelvrokonság felett. Pl azt mondták, hogy a mondat "jon a vonat" finnul igy hangzik: "jüna tule", de mi pestiek inkább azt mondtuk, hogy "jön a tuja", ezzel bizonyitva a nyelvrokonságot. Hahaha!
But it is such a beautiful and satisfying feeling to be able to type accent marks.in Hungarian!
ianshaw34 5 months ago
I live in South Africa and studied some African languages. To my amazement, I discovered that these languages also don"t have gender and possess only a simple past tense, just like Hungarian. Othedrwiose tehir strcutrue is completely different from any Indo-European language. In other words, when speaking English, these people often use "he" for females and "she" for males, on teh other hand, it took me years to learn the usage of the many English past tenses.
ianshaw34 5 months ago
Hey people' We are to comment on ouir language, not to fight historical battles.
Hungarians are no better or no worse than others. Yes, we suffered much injustice by more powerful nations, we"ve had our traitors, sell-outs, ethnic cleansers, but we also had excellent writers, poets, patriots, scientists,and enlightened kings like Mátyás, we fought for our freedom in 1848 and won but were were beaten down,by a superior force.We should be proud of our unique language but not to curse others
ianshaw34 5 months ago
I love my Hungarian language, the poetry,, the popular songs, the richness of expression, even the unprintable jokes. It is our tragic history that I find moving and regretful. Our language is beautiful indeed, but we are probably the worst politicians in the world. We as a nation are just as alone as our mother tongue, which is not related to any other, in spite of some dubious claims. I feel also that Budapest is unknown and underrated by most foreigners
ianshaw34 5 months ago
Great video! I'm learning Hungarian, it is hard, but so beautifull to listern to! :))
60103Henry 5 months ago
watch?v=kMbdTsHBGTQ&feature=mh_lolz&list=LLRzYDQBmGZMs-qjKaStkTRw
sonus89 6 months ago
Szebb jövőt! Kitartást! hajrá Magyarok!!!
rolityo 6 months ago
There is supposed to be a connection with Hungarian and the language spoken in the Basque country ?????
nevanovna 7 months ago
If so, you must have an outstanding literature. I'd like to know it and have already started learning the language. I love the palatal sonorant ( you know which one I mean) :-).
MrShark2011 7 months ago
Hungarian language is similar to Turkish.. some words , the same
ilivinghell 7 months ago
@ilivinghell
mert a fasz szopó törökök itt baszták a rezet 150 évig!
Marszty93 7 months ago
Does anyone know the name of the music in this clip?
GeeVee2 9 months ago
@GeeVee2 The first variation on 'Haydn themes' by Brahms. I found this in the collection which contains the Brahms' Hungarian dances and this is the (distant) connection of this music to the Hungarian language.
rikanov 9 months ago
@rikanov... I can't believe what I am reading... stop talking about serbia or former yugoslavia.
look at wikipedia ... "1942_raid_in_Novi_Sad" or "Occupation_of_Vojvodina,_1941-1944"
during 1942 raid in novi sad, hungarian occupation troops thrown civilians under ice of frozen danube river, shooting those that didn't drown.
stop talking about victims as if they were agressors.
gameEnginer 10 months ago
My mom's Hungarian and my dad's Romanian. While I think Romanian is beautiful and sweet sounding, I have to say Hungarian is so totally cool. I love how there's no other language like it in the world. It's alot of fun to speak because of it's amazing and unique sounds. I don't believe the "gy" exists anywhere else. I've also heard the Hungarian language has roots in Sumerian. How cool is that? That's almost like saying Adam and Eve spoke it.
isabelzavoranu 10 months ago
I LIKE HUNGARIAN LENGUAGE, AND I WULD LIKE TO LEARN IT
SerbiaTina 10 months ago
I love Hungarian and Uralic peoples and Indo-European peoples too. But beware of Turkish propaganda guys. Many Turks are trying to link the Uralic Finno-Ugric people to the Turkic peoples, based on a mythical 'Turanian' theory which has no strong evidence or anything. So be careful of fabrications from Turkish nationalists.
BoAbkal 10 months ago
@BoAbkal there is no 'finno-ugric'' language those uralics were pushed up there from caucas area, and they are like the 'turkish languages' or more exactly the scythian remnant peoples languages.
PoganyHun 8 months ago
@unomnacajit111 Hungarians are descendens of Huns, Huns are descendents of Scythians, Scythians are descendents of Sumerians.
Slavko961234 11 months ago 2
@Slavko961234
man...you don't have any clue about anything. You're just an old and alone individual that didn't find the inner peace.
dacgerula 9 months ago
Hungarians have nothing to do with Finns or Uralic Mountains. It's a myth made by Habsburgs. Hungarians are descendents of ancient Sumerians, Scythians, and Huns.
Slavko961234 11 months ago
@Slavko961234 you' rrright!
xd
PoganyHun 8 months ago
MAGYAROK HAJRA!!!!
gangbang777777 11 months ago
bassza az anyát
cappko 11 months ago
I'm american and i have a very english/irish background...but i've been fascinated by the hungarian language lately. It seems to me that you can basically say anything you desire to in it; that there's a word for everything. I find it extremely fascinating and i'd love to learn that language at some point.
Mr100oclock 1 year ago
I'm so proud to be Hungarian!!! I'm lucky there are videos in Hungarian!!!
trunksfriend 1 year ago
Hungarian is, indeed, a beautiful language. Once I had a burning wish that I could speak it. A girlfriend of mine in college (in the U.S.) was born in Hungary. She was fluent in English, but her grandfather, who had come with them to the U.S., was in a nursing home where I volunteered and couldn't speak a word of English. The poor old gentleman had been a diplomat in pre-war Hungary. He spoke six languages fluently, but no English. It was very sad and frustrating that he was so isolated.
fordtruxdad 1 year ago
@fordtruxdad
And indeed, it's really so sad if someone couldn't be socialized lack of knowing a language spoken around him. Thought I have never any problems with making relationships when I was an exchange student on abroad (due to even the English) but I was suffered by homesickness as hell because I couldn't talk to anyone in my mother language :(
(with exception of two student girls from Hungary when I visited them into the dormitory)
rikanov 1 year ago
@fordtruxdad Hungarians may have some troubles with learning European languages because those ones are utterly different than ours.
I like English because it's a very powerful language to explain or describe events, plans or regularities. Thought my English is so far from being good I can study math or natural sciences in English more easily than in my mother-tongue. But Hungarian is more human and poetical for describing emotions, intention and desire as accurately as humanly possible.
rikanov 1 year ago
Excellent video! Thanks to MagyarDemon, I have learned some Hungarian!
mkolibaba 1 year ago
nem rég néztem a friss top 10 legnehezebb nyelv listát és mi vagyunk a másodikok és a lengyel az elsö ._.
second hardest language on earth right after polish.
narut0cska 1 year ago
Hi, I was amazed truly amazed with the language after seeing this video. Wondering if when could I start learning this language.
josephricafort 1 year ago
Thank you.
Thought Hungarian really has a strange and unique nature it's not so hard.I know a lot of people who came to my Homeland without knowing any single word in Hungarian but now they can speak such fluently I couldn't recognize that they are not native speaker of Hungarian. :)
One of my room mate in the dormitory was a Serbian guy who fled from the South Slavic war to Hungary and achieved refugee status. For months I never thought that he isn't Hungarian until he told it to me :))
rikanov 1 year ago
creation of separate families for Uralic&Altaic languages are purely based on 20th century politics.Turkish is the most closest relative of Hungarian language. Most(if not all) of the grammar rules are same and nearly all words related with agriculture and horse riding in Hungarian adopted from Turkic. Hungarians also used a variant of Turkic runic script b4 Latin.Most of our language similarities comes from early medieval era. we also share about 3500+ words today which most comes from Sumerian
mail2onur 1 year ago 5
@mail2onur So that's why Turkish and Hungarian sound so similar. :^o
snowdog03 1 year ago
These examples are neither here nor there.
Hungarian does have more words in some areas and less in others. For example, what is the difference between prawn, shrimp, crab, lobster, ... They are all 'rák'. There are more words in Hungarian though for family relationships. For example mother and mother-in-law have two single different words.
If you want to compare Hungarian and English, to say the same thing usually, but not always of course, uses more words in Hungarian.
Neither is better.
ImprobableWizard 1 year ago
@ImprobableWizard The grammar (or rather the whole structure) of Hungarian language is much important and unique than the pure vocabulary.
As I mentioned before I never assert that the Hungarian would be "the zenith of all human logic" I would rather say the East African ones for that (if any). And though my English is so far from being good but I can study mathematics in English much more easily and efficiently than in Hungarian perhaps due to its density and logical system.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov Jesus, couple of Hungarians about are arguing their own language using... English, for some reason! I tell you what: noone will ever give shit about your country more just because you're pretending to be a "smart" nation. Bottom line: your country is small and your language is not so hard as you all say it is!
GordonFreeMANness 1 year ago
Thought this video is devoted to show the NON-HUNGARIANS' opinions ONLY about our language, you're right, we have just a very small country and may an inconsiderable history. Because we have neither unleashed opium-wars nor traded with black-slaves moreover we never "civilized" other lands by colonization and extermination of its native-people and generally we did not commit anything whereby the glorious European history is full of.
But somehow, I don't feel shame for absence of these thing.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
Yes, of course, and your treatment of the Jews, Croats, Serbs, Romanians, and Slovaks was totally acceptable behavior.
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
@JonnyLightning Sorry, I'm afraid I have no idea what kind of treatment you think about. What did we commit against Jews perhaps? Accommodating them to Budapest when they were FLEEING from the neighbor countries then providing sanctuary for the Nazi deportations? What do you think why Budapest has the biggest Jewish community in Europe, huh?
And say, I'm eager to know what we commited exactly against Serbs, Romanians etc. they didn't do against us or other people, hmm?
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
Hungary began its own form of the Nuremberg Laws in 1938 that restricted Jewish rights, many Hungarian Jews were deported or just outright executed, and there was finally the mass deportations in 1944. 550,000 of the Jews who died in the Holocaust were Hungarian. The attempted Magyarisation of Croatia, Slovakia, Banat, and the Romanian areas of Transylvania. No, some of those people are not innocent themselves, but the fact remains that Hungary is not perfect or blameless.
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
Indeed, we aren't. Regarding to "Jewish laws" you must know Hungary didn't allow Germans to deport any single person until 1943 ) and we provided sanctuary about 35-40 thousands of Polish Jews by giving them fake Christian baptism documents due to the Hungarian Catholic Church.
Magyarisation? What does this strange word mean? All the neighbor countries have a relevant Hungarian minority (think a bit why) which people was BORN Hungarian and not forced to be that because it's an unmitigated liar.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
They did eventually deport them, however, and with a fevrent devotion that even suprised Adolf Eichmann, who was in charge of deporting the Jews of Hungary (outside of Budapest). And big deal, you saved 40 thousand Jews but deported nearly 500 thousand. And the ones that survived in Budapest were forced to remain in the ghettoes.
Magyarisation is what you did to the Croats and Slovaks in the 19th century, forbidding them from levels of society unless they learned Magyar.
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
Even the mutilated Hungary was invaded and exploited by the Checzslovakian and Romanian armies and NOT in contrary. (which fact makes some brainless chauvinists very proud but I never blame these nations for having idiots). Moreover, in the 19th century Hungary belonged to the Austro-Hungarian empire leaded by the Habsburg dinasty without own self-determination. (and Hungarians were also forced to use German language in offices)
Please, learn more history before writting these bullshits.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
Your first sentance makes no sense.
Belonged? You bitched and moaned for so many years that by the 19th century Hungary was, in fact, its own seperate nation, with offices that used Magyar and even its own customs office for trade with Habsburg Austria. They were only forced to use German with their dealings with Austria, not in their own country. Hungary was part of Austria in name only. Why don't you try learning some of your own history before accusing me of bullshit?
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
@JonnyLightning What-ho! Who try to teach us for our own history? Who allegedly live in USA but somehow has even worse English than mine? Not mentioned his alleged ascendents from a bunch of European nations.
Don't make me laugh, mate. You know almost NOTHING about the European nations and history in 20th century.
Get a life and look for an other pleace for being troll.
rikanov 1 year ago
@JonnyLightning So I not really understand why do you expect us to be responsible for genocides committed by Germans? In this way you can also blame Polish people for building the most dreaded extermination camps but what is it if not a foolish bullying? Also, comparing the 20th century Hungarian (not so good) foreign affairs and putting it into the same category with Holocaust, Opium wars or black slavery trade is more than ridiculous.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
Commited by Nazis yes, but with the explicit help of many Hungarians. Indeed, the Hungarians were allied with and fought for the Nazis, and benefitted because of it, at least at first.
Also, is it really? You attempted to put down other cultures and promote Magyar supremecy within the lands of St. Stephen, despite the fact that Hungarians were not the majority in many of these areas and those people had their own cultures and languages.
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
Committed by GERMANS because there has never been "Nazi" nationality (and they also called themselves as German instead of Nazi), moreover from France and Netherlands upto Ukraine (i.e. in all the occupied lands) they could always find proper people easily who were willing to cooperate with them.
And according to the "Benes laws" even Hungarians were deprived from their basic laws as the rights to being live or having own property not mentioned the rights to own language and culture.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
Committed by many peoples, not just Germans, they all considered themselves Nazis or some equivalent. The point is, Hungarians helped too and aren't innocent, which is what you were attempting to say.
As for the Benesz Decrees, what does that have to do with Nazism? That's the Sowjets destroying culture, which is a totally different situation (and one I believe needs to be rectified).
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
@JonnyLightning I hope you just pretend to be so fool. YOU talked about the ethnic conflicts of the Carpatian basin by ACCUSING Hungarians of doing that.
You fool, even HUNGARY was occupied by the neighbour countries (and not conversely), and ten-thousands of INNOCENT Hungarians lies unsigned mass graves in the territory of former-Yugoslavia slain by Serbian millitarists.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
Yes, you attempted to wipe out their cultures. Hungary has never been occupied by neighbor countries, they've attempted to force out other peoples.
Also, while I don't doubt the Serbs executed Hungarians at some point or another, tens of thousands is preposterous.
JonnyLightning 1 year ago
@JonnyLightning In the April of 1919 both the Czechoslovakian and the Romanian army broke through the boundary-line demarcated by the Great Powers and more than one year BEFORE signing the Trianon peace treaty they practically annexed Transcarpathia. They took over administration and the Czechoslovakian military authorities initiated military law in the territories occupied by them.
rikanov 1 year ago
@GordonFreeMANness
And now, you should either seek an other playground for yourself or ask your mother to teach you how to behave and offer an opinion as a grown-up before I have to spank you, retard.
rikanov 1 year ago
@GordonFreeMANness Yeap, you said it :) (pick me! pick me! said Donkey)
sirlucasro 1 year ago
I love Hungarian, my mother tongue. But being aware of how outlandish a language it is, I must share with you this anecdote:
After Creation, God decided to distribute languages to people. He gave each a language: took the first one and told him you speak French, the second English, the third Russian, then Italian, German, and so on and on. When the last one came, God saw that he ran out of languages, so He told him: "you speak as you wish"…..and he started to speak….Hungarian.
mgk11111 1 year ago 40
@mgk11111 HAHA, thanks mate, it was so funny !!! :)))
rikanov 1 year ago
@mgk11111 Where you take this from? People all spoke the same language, until they started to build Babel's tower to reach God and overthrow him, that's when he cursed them so that they all speak a different language. They did not understand each other, and everything fell.
Everybody knows that ! Is there a special hungarian bible version i'm not aware of?
coolmojito 11 months ago
@coolmojito
No, your version of the Bible is correct. But evidently there are versions of sense of humor which obviously you are not aware of.
mgk11111 11 months ago
@mgk11111 So what you said is humor? i don't get it.
coolmojito 11 months ago
Conclusion : in hungarian i can describe this relation in two ways (1.idősebb fivér 2. bátty) and english in one way (1.older brother).
antoniusnagyur 1 year ago
Mr Language Guy : my post was for another guy, who told a stupid thing : the hungarians when came in Europe they didnt had words for brother and sister.
In your case, my reply is : maybe is not more precise, but is easiest, dont need 2 words, 1 is enough. In hungarian i can tell such way like in english : older brother = idősebb fivér, but this two words have a simple one wich is bátty.
So, with one hungarian word i describe this : elder male sibling = older brother.
antoniusnagyur 1 year ago
But you have right, we didn't have grammatical genders, coz it is not needed.
How can have a bread female gender (the bread didn't have dick or pussy) - example in romanian, o pâine.A stupid example for this is the "o pulă" in romanian, wich mean "a dick", but you describe something male with female gender, this is top of stupidity, don't you ?
antoniusnagyur 1 year ago
Salut cirizbook, vad ca esti roman.Scriu in engleza ca sa inteleaga toata lumea.
We have gender, but only to separate a female thing/being/gender from a male thing/being/gender.
Example : szerzetes - călugăr, apáca - călugăriţă.
antoniusnagyur 1 year ago
666Sickness
Now about our parents :
1.Apa - Father
2.Nagyapa - Grandfater
3.Dédapa - Grand-grandfather
4.Ükapa - Grand-grand-grandfather
5.Szépapa - Grand-grand-grand-grandfather.
Hmh ??? What do you think ?
antoniusnagyur 1 year ago
@antoniusnagyur Nagyapa = great-grandfather stb.
MarCee1976 1 year ago
antoniusnagyur 1 year ago
@antoniusnagyur 1. Sibling. 2 Brother. 3 Sister. from there you have to use adjectives (older/elder/younger etc).
However, do you think that a language is more precise because one word does the exact same job as 2 in another language? i.e.-- bátty vs older brother. I don't really see the difference between adjectives and the roots that this video talks about when it comes to the presence/lack of precision.
mrlanguageguy 1 year ago
@mrlanguageguy Hungarian language doesn't require regular world order for example and you can take a huge advantage from this fact by using word reordering for emphasis.
Tegnap boltban voltam -I was in a shop yesterday.
Tegnap voltam boltban-I was in a shop yesterday (and not another time)
Boltban voltam tegnap-I was in a shop yesterday (and not in another place)
And if it's not enough you can initiate the sentence by forebringing a part. sentence How can you did it in any European language?
rikanov 1 year ago
...and due to the features of the agglutinative languages we can increase our vocabulary almost infinitely and we can do it in a very easy way. Most of these "created" words are utterly untranslatable to any (non-agglutinative) languages as like the European ones.
But as I wrote before this video is devoted to show the oppinions of those non-Hungarian people who studied our language in some degree and became acquainted with the unique nature and structure of Hungarian.
rikanov 1 year ago
This vid is joke, isn't it? Hungarian language has about 30% words of slavic origin. There is also lots of hungarian words of german origin. When nomadic tribes from Asia came to Europe(magyar=hungarian was name of only one tribe) they vocabulary was really poor compared to they new neigboor. They didn't even have words as brother or sister.
666sickness 1 year ago
@666sickness Please, give up this miserable, chauvinist bullshits. Comparing with the European languages even the proto-germans can't be older than 3000 years old while the Hungarian language has more than 4000 years old relationship to the Uralic - Finno-ugric language group unlike the Slovakian perhaps which has been existing independently since 1787 only.
And if you have inferiority complex disorder that's not the Hungarians' fault, sorry.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov True can't be chauvinist, true is just true. Do you compare codification of Slovak language to some kind of relationship of hungarian language to Uralic languages?? No wonder, there is difference :D And man, 4000 years? Come on! There are about 300 original words in your language. And no offence.
666sickness 1 year ago
@666sickness
I am a hungarian from Transsylvania, and as i see you are slovakian.
So, an american professor Grover S Kranz theory was, when he studied the european languages, that the hungarian is a language from mezolithics (11000-8000 years before Christ)
Read my posts below wich wrote to you.I am really courious - since i didn't know slovak language, that have slovakian language those words wich i've translated to english ? PLS reply ;)
antoniusnagyur 1 year ago
@666sickness
An another interesting thing, slovakian friend : the italians have 50 words to describe how a man or animal moving.We have at least 80 (i've added +10 and still can find words) and if we are dotting these 80 words with our prefixes and suffixes, we have 2400 words (i have the list to prove what i am telling).
So this 300 words you talk about is a big-big bullshit.
But maybe you have right 10000 years ago, maybe the hungarian really had only 300 ;)
antoniusnagyur 1 year ago
@666sickness Yea, true just remains true as like a chauvinist propaganda just remains a ridiculous bullying wherein only narrow-minded people believe.
As like you.
So, have we had only 300 "original" words? No, you're wrong, thought our language has kept more than 600 words and roots from the common ancient Uralic language but it doesn't mean that Hungarians knew only those ones. Sorry, but nobody considers that some chauvinist idiot bark or what they think about the history..
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov Germanic languages are about the same age since they are orginally from the Black Sea are but were driven west by the Mongoloids.
snowdog03 1 year ago
lol what an interesting perspective... as a child I could never make up my mind which language sounds worse Hungarian or German. No offense but for one that knows even a little bit about this language this video is a joke.. "most expressive".. lol they don't even have a gender so when Hungarians try to speak Romanian they use the wrong gender most of the time. Nonetheless Magyar must have its own unique features.. perhaps it is logic but the rest is just stories.
cirizbook 1 year ago
@cirizbook Indeed, we haven't "even" grammatical gender classes (as like the all other language except Europeans) but honestly we not really feel lacking of it.
What's the rule of classification of nouns by their gender in conducing to expression or understanding? Eventually nothing. Moreover, a lot of European languages (Scandinavian languages perhaps) have already losen (or merged) this grammar rule in order to avoid even that confussion they cause. It's utterly redundant in my oppinion.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov lol u can't feel the need of something your mind does not span. Just like in a world of integer numbers they don't really "need" any reals. Its like trying to map a smaller set to a larger one. Look at a short example: EN: "how many?"... not very clear.. how many boys or how many girls but RO: "câți?" or "câte?" short but exact question. In EN and HU you need to add words to be more specific: "how many boys/girls?"
harhamfilm 1 year ago
@harhamfilm Due to the features of agglutinative languages we can make thousands of new words by using only one simple root and make change the meaning of sentences utterly different as well by simple rearranging word-order which is utterly imposible to do in European languages. So, as you can see we not really need to 'steal' words from Slovakian perhaps.
Anyway, in many cases there are mappings between "smaller" and "larger" sets existing even if one of them is a proper subset of the other.
rikanov 1 year ago
Hungarian language is beautiful, so I learn it :)
Greetings from Poland, brothers ;)
maniek78m 1 year ago 2
I thought Hungarian was supposed to be a very difficult language to learn, perhaps, because it is so precise.
DCFunBud 1 year ago
I dont know a word of Hungarian! But I would love to learn all of it! Such a beautiful country!xx
lilyrose367 1 year ago
@lilyrose367 Thank you so much for your kind comment :)
Anyway, here is a NON-composed Hungarian word: legmegszentségteleníthetetlenségeskedéseitekért :)
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov lol brilliant!!
lilyrose367 1 year ago
@rikanov
I can beat you in that. Here it goes;
"gelemeyebilirim" means "it might happen that I won't be able to come" in English.
I can push harder for creating a long word like "Avustralyalilastiramadiklarimizdanmisiniz". This means "Are you also one of the one's, which we couldn't make Australian?" in English :D
Ofc this was Turkish which is the most widely spoken agglutinative language in the world. Also Hungarian and Turkish shares about 3500+ common word from early middle ages.
mail2onur 1 year ago 3
@lilyrose367
I am sure you know some hungarian words only you aren't aware of it :)
For example: biro, vampire, coach, itsy-bitsy and more:)
59thFranky 1 year ago
Cool video :-) My dad has studied the language and its origin since he went on pension 24 years ago and told me lots about it. History and other things. :)
Vogter2100 1 year ago 2
@Vogter2100 Well, from a historical point of view the Denmark and Hungary are so similar: once both nation had enormous Kingdoms and gave prominal characters to history and science but now we live in our own foot's lenght countries only, lol.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov yeah, it is kinda weird hehe
Vogter2100 1 year ago
Amazing language! It sounds like music to my ears!
halki7peace 1 year ago 18
(persze, meg még sok más egyéb dolognak is) valószínűleg nem ez volt a fő érv. de ez továbbra sem érinti a csángókat, vagy ha igen akkor nem értem hogyan. Számi parlament van, csángó nincs. Számi nyelvtan van, csángó nincs....vagyis van, csak úgy hívják, hogy magyar. De belátom én nem vagyok szakavatott, meg fogom kérdezni a Janku Laurát mi a véleménye. Üdv
kanyit 1 year ago
Gondolom te is érzed, hogy az 1993ban elfogadott elv inkább kibúvó és a jelenlegi "mindenki az aminek vallja magát" korszellem szélsőséges alkalmazása.
Másrészt érdekes kérdés, hogy kinek van illetősége az egész csángóság nevében kijelenteni, hogy a csángó nem magyar nyelv? A moldvai csángók eleve legalább három népesség (székelyek, mezőségi magyarok, egyéb) utódai. Csak mostanában kezdik magukat a mi ösztönzésünkre népcsoportnak tekinteni.
kanyit 1 year ago
@kanyit Ez az elfogadott elv akkora nagy "mindenki az aminek vallja magát" kibúvót jelent, hogy a számik (s nem lappok) éppen ennek köszönhetik Norvégiától kapott, teljes területi autonómiájukat. (persze, meg még sok más egyéb dolognak is)
rikanov 1 year ago
A finn nyelvtani rokonságban áll a magyarral. Ez nem "kitaláció". Amúgy az egész nyelvcsaládosdi alatt rezeg már a léc, de még ezt tanítják, mert jobb nincs.
A csángó pedig nem nyelvrokon, hanem a magyarnak egy nyelvjárása. A csángó szóval nem egy népet jelölünk, hanem egy néprajzi csoportot, mint a szegediek, palócok, matyók. Akikre te gondolsz, azok a moldvai csángók, de mellettük vannak hétfalusi, dévai, gyimesi csángók. A csángó szó a székely nyelvjárásban elkóboroltat jelent.
kanyit 1 year ago
@kanyit Ha jól emlékszem, akkor 1993ban tartottak egy nyelvészeti konferenciát, melynek fő témája annak meghatározása volt, hogy mikortól tekinthető két nyelv különbözőnek. Jobb ötlet híjján végül azt az elvet fogadták el, hogy amennyiben a nyelvet beszélők a maguk nyelvét különbözőnek tartják a másik népcsoport nyelvétől, akkor azt különbözőnek kell tekinteni, innentől a csángó már nem magyar nyelv, mely egyébként is jóval több ponttól tér el a magyartól, mint a többi magyar dialektus.
rikanov 1 year ago
@kanyit S az uráli nyelvcsaládi kapcsolatokat nem azért tanítják "mert nincs jobb", hanem azért, mert az egyetlen nyelvészetileg megalapozott tézisről van szó, ami már régen nem számít elméletnek... de még ha lenne is értelmes, valóban jól alátámasztott alternatívája, akkor azt valószínűleg nem egy-két, az echo tv műsoraiban nyilatkozgató, önjelölt (ál)tudóstól fogjuk majd megtudni.
rikanov 1 year ago
Hungary the most beautiful
MrGarbageman1965 1 year ago
Pár éve is behoztak ide a városba is több millió éves fákat,amik a föld alatt voltak ilyen sokáig. Ez mind fennmarad. Nem kell mindig átcseszésre gyanakodni.
pamtya94 1 year ago
@pamtya94 Növényi fosszília a fekete kőszén és az általad említett faopál is, azonban ezekről aligha lenne leolvasható bárminemű írás is. Nem tudok egzakt becslést adni arra, hogy ember által készített/használt fa eszközök meddig őrződhetnek meg, de figyelembevéve, hogy még a több tízezer keresztrefeszítésről sem maradt fent egyetlen egy tárgyi bizonyíték sem (mázsás fadarabok...), úgy saccolom hogy ez az idő maximálisan másfél ,esetleg két évezred lehet.
rikanov 1 year ago
let's all learn it!
petecataiwan 1 year ago
Bravo - very interesting !
feargal75 1 year ago
@feargal75 Thank you :)
rikanov 1 year ago
I am a Hun, I think all languages are interesting, it is pretty cheesy to be proud of your native language. How could be one language better than the others?
Ge311rgo 1 year ago
@Ge311rgo I have never asserted that the Hungarian (or an other language) were better than others. This video is devoted to show the beauty of our heritage by quoting non-Hungarian (so more or less independent) writers. Moreover one of my friends did it and not me, I just made this amateur video for it (after some guys in an international dormitory in Denmark called our mother tongue as an ugly and primitive gypsy-mongol barking)
rikanov 1 year ago
Jah,és erről is olvastam,hogy a legközelebbi nyelvrokonunk a manysi és nem a finn. A finn csak egy tévhit.
pamtya94 1 year ago
@pamtya94 ha érdeklődsz a téma iránt látogass a magtar.hu ra mondjuk Géczi előadást halgass végig + ez a nyelv a világon az egyetlen ami beszélve magánhangzók nélkül is értelmes és érthető
belaerdei 1 year ago
@belaerdei
Remek,köszönöm! :D
pamtya94 1 year ago
@pamtya94 S szerinted a manysi nyelv melyik nyelvcsaládhoz tartozik, ha nem az urálihoz, amihez a finn és a magyar is mondjuk, sok más mellett?
(amúgy nem a manysi hanem a khanty nyelv a legközelebbi rokonunk, nem számítva a csángót persze)
rikanov 1 year ago
Azt mondják nyelvészek,hogy kutatások alapján a magyar mondható a legrégibb nyelvnek. :D Írták,hogy úgynéz ki,hogy a magyar az ősnyelv. Ugyanis a világon az egyetlen olyan nyelv,amit a legtöbb helyen és a legrégibb helyeken találtak. Nemrég viszont találtak egy olyan magyar rovásírást egy botra vésve,amiről kiderült hogy 16-20 000 éves.
pamtya94 1 year ago
Egy Varga Csabát ne hívjunk már nyelvésznek, még viccből sem! S mielőtt hivatkoznátok ezekre a huszon-harminc-akárhány ezer éves nyelvemlékekre, kicsit gondolkozzatok már el, ilyen idő távlatból milyen faragott bot maradna meg olvashatóan jó állapotában, mikor néhány évszázad eltelte után is csak rendkívül speciális körülmények mellett rekonstruálhatóak ezek a leletek, úgy ahogy. Nem érzitek úgy néha, hogy ezek a "tudósok" csak a bolondját járatják veletek?
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
hááát, attól függ hogy milyen természeti körülmények között maradnak meg ezek az emlékek. Én személy szerint láttam 2000 éves és 8000 éves fákat,amiket egy tó legaljából halásztak ki. És mégis jóállapotban voltak..nem azt mondom hogy teljesen tökéletes állapotban voltak,de ez érthető mert nagyon sokáig víz alatt voltak. Ha egy barlangban találnak ilyet ott nagyobb esély van arra hogy akár 30 000 évig is tökéletes állapotba marad. Csak utána kell ezeknek nézni.
pamtya94 1 year ago
@rikanov "épp hogy kijöttek az erdőből, s újdonságként nézték a tyúkot, a széket és a betűt?" Szóval a finn ugorok beleértve minket is civilizálatlanabbak voltunk a törököknél, ép hogy kijöttünk az erdőből és írás tudatlanok voltunk?
Azokat a szavakat amiket a példa használ, mikor is vehettük át időben?
tranks69 1 year ago
@rikanov továbbá akkor it is feltételezhető az 1 nyelvből ezáltál az egy közös ősből való származás?
Válaszaidat előre is köszönöm, ismétlem nem kötekedni , tájékozódni szeretnék.
tranks69 1 year ago
@rikanov Csak kérdezni szeretnék, nem kötekedni , nekem valóban nincs akkora rálátásom ezekre.Az hogy a finn nyelv és a magyar nyelv rokona egymásnak és egy közös ősből, a finnugorból származnak, az nem jelenti a biológiai kapcsolatot?
A cikk azt mondja igen, de a nyelvészet csak bólogat(nagyon szakszerű).Továbbá azt írja a finnugoron kívül a szamojéd nyelvek is idetartoznak,ettől kezdve a nyelvcsaládot urálinak nevezzük. A magyar tehát mai szakszóval uráli nyelv
N akkor a szamojéd rokon nyelv?
tranks69 1 year ago
@rikanov
"Azt tehát, hogy a finnek a magyarok rokonai, a nyelvészet nem mondja (hiszen ehhez biológiai vagy történeti vizsgálat kellene), csak annyit mond - de azt rendíthetetlenül! -, hogy a finn nyelv és a magyar nyelv rokona egymásnak és egy közös ősből, a finnugorból származnak. (Említsük meg, hogy a XX. században kiderült, hogy a rokonság ennél bővebb, mert a finnugoron kívül a szamojéd nyelvek is idetartoznak, s ettől kezdve a nyelvcsaládot urálinak nevezzük"
tranks69 1 year ago
@rikanov Hunfalvy Pál véleménye volt -, a magyaroknak a nyugati kereszténységre térítésük előtt írásuk nem volt, s az a szkíta-hun írás, amelyről krónikásaink tudósítanak, csupán "az oláhok cyril írása volt, a hun-székely ábécét pedig néhány XVII. századi tudós szerkesztette
mert ugyan azok állitják azt hogy igen
tranks69 1 year ago
@tranks69 Tehát Hunfalvy, Budenz és Reguly Antal csak politikailag vezérelt spekulánsok voltak?
A video alatt találsz egy linket, ott elolvashatod az osztott véleményemet erről.
rikanov 1 year ago
"tak toto je" na ebből már sok jó nem sül ki. Ugye nem a szlovák nyelv tökéletességét prezentálná tán valami "matyica"-hívő?
totiflosz 1 year ago
Oh my, and that is how you know Hungarians: they make stupid debates all over the place which ends up in "you are stupid" "no, You are stupid". A waste of our marvellous language :S
Galev12 1 year ago
tak toto je akoze riadna kokotina, madari si pokradnu slova od slovanov a maju dokonaly jazyk :D toto je riadna chujovina :D:D:D
stanlerstasik 1 year ago
@stanlerstasik English, please.
rikanov 1 year ago
@stanlerstasik it is very big bullshit for me.. I can t belive that your words are not your native words a half of your words are slavic so it s unbeliveble
stanlerstasik 1 year ago
Ezzel csak annyi a baj, hogy nekünk magyaroknak semmi közünk nincs a finnekhez! Az egy nagy hazugság. Több közös van bennünk az észak- amerikai indián törzsekkel mint a finnekkel vagy bármelyik északi néppel.
kurvaRTLklub 1 year ago
@kurvaRTLklub
Értékelem, mikor valaki még a kérdést sem érti. Genetikát, származást, nyelvi vagy antropológia hasonlóságokat csak az önjelelölt "tudósok" vegyítenek össze, akik rendszerint egyik területen sem járatosabbak egy laikus érdeklődőtől.
Az összehasonlító nyelvészet szabályai szerint, a magyar nyelv a finn-ugor nyelvcsalád, ugor ágához tartozik, ezen ma már sehol nem folyik szakmai vita.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov Továbbá, genetikai meg kultúrális jegyeink alapján 100%-asan közép-európaik vagyunk, gyakorlatilag megkülönböztethetetlenek a környező (szláv nyelvű) népektől. A nyelvészet és a genetika teljesen két különböző fogalom tehát.
Tudományos "szenzációkat" meg független szakfolyóiratokban szoktak legelőször közzé tenni, nem pedig a bulvár médiában vagy a politikailag elkötelezett TV adók beszélgetős műsoraiban.
rikanov 1 year ago
A magyar nyelv maga a 4. dimenzió.
The Hungarian language is the fourth dimension. !!!!iiiii!!!! !
Üdv
felattila 1 year ago
@felattila Nem. Otodic Dimenzio. Fifth dimension!
roboptions 1 year ago
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ennyi marhasagot csak egy magyarnak alcazott zsido irhat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZsoltTheHun 1 year ago
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ennyi marhasagot csak egy magyarnak alcazott zsido irhat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZsoltTheHun 1 year ago
@ZsoltTheHun
Már vártam, hogy mikor jutunk el idáig, s esik ki a szádból a tahóság.
Remélem, megkönnyebbültél tőle.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov te kis zsido kulturbarom!azt hiszed,hogy felsobbrendu vagy?a kivalasztott nep!rohognom kell!isten kivalsztott benneteket egy feladatra,hogy a celjat elerje.csakhogy a celja nem az,hogy a zsido nep uralkodjon a foldon,hanem ,hogy megmutassa az embereknek az emberi gyarlosag es kapzsisag mintakepet.csak szeretnem,ha tudnad,hogy a vilagon mindenki utal benneteket!:-Da satan nepe!mi vagyunk isten nepe!!!ti csak verfertozott korcsok maradtok mindannyian.:-D
ZsoltTheHun 1 year ago
@ZsoltTheHun
Ez esetben, kedves Isten Népe, jó lenne ha a továbbiakban ezt a rátok jellemző primitívséget megtartanád annak a közegnek, amelyikből te is ideténferegtél.
S csak hogy megnyugtathasd az idegeidet, tájékoztatlak, hogy nem vagyok zsidó.
rikanov 1 year ago
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ennyi marhasagot csak egy magyarnak alcazott zsido irhat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZsoltTheHun 1 year ago
I love Hungarian, sounds beautiful, like all Finno-Ugric languages. Greetings from Finland!
mattoverho 1 year ago 28
Thank you :)
Yes, we both belong to one of the most wonderful language-family :))
rikanov 1 year ago
@mattoverho we are NOT finno-ugric!we are scythians!!
greetings from canada!
ZsoltTheHun 1 year ago
@ZsoltTheHun
Dear Scythian-Hun Warrior
As far as we know Scythans belonged to that Indo-European (more exactly the Eastern-Iranian) group whatwith we have had nothing in common.
Please, keep your fairy tales for children and dumb people as like you.
rikanov 1 year ago
@mattoverho Its not Finno_ugric language.I'm wondered that you say its Finno Ugoric
tranks69 1 year ago
@tranks69 Because it belongs to the Finno-Ugric language family?
rikanov 1 year ago
ez alap hogy az osztrákok akarták mindenáron ránk erőszakolni a finn-ugor elméletet!!!!
Ti3i22 2 years ago
Mi hasznuk volt vagy lett volna belőle? Mert a "múltjától megfosztott nemzet" engedelmességre bírható? Ugyan már!
Egyébként, nem ők "erőltették" ránk, hanem mi magunk, maga az Akadémia is éppen a magyar nyelv kutatására, értékeinek feltárására lett létrehozva, illetve az akkorra már évszázados tudományos vita eldöntésére.
Nyelvészetileg az uráli nyelvcsaládba tartozunk, ezen ma már nem folyik komoly szakmai vita.
rikanov 2 years ago
@rikanov
nagyon vigyazz,hogy honnan szerzed be az informacioidat!a vita azert tenyleg nem folyik,mert egyoldalu!a finnek mar vagy husz eve nem tanitjak a finnugor elmeletet,mert egy nagy baromsag!csak nalunk,szerinted miert?mi az ,hogy urali nyelvcsalad?ezt a kifejezest most hallom eloszor!
wazze!te olyan sotet vagy ,hogy azt nem lehet elmondani!:-D
ZsoltTheHun 1 year ago
Ez a "finnek már vagy 20 éve nem tanítják" duma pont egy rátok jellemző hatalmas nagy ferdítés.
Hazugság, hogy úgy mondjam.
Nagyon érdekes, akárhányszor belebotlok egy kreacionistába, holokauszttagadóba, UFO hívőbe vagy esetleg egy hozzád hasonló szittyahunba, mindig ugyanolyan ködösítéssel, makacs győzködéssel s "elhallgattatásos" konspiráció elméletekkel találkozom.
Azon, hogy most hallasz először az uráli nyelvcsaládról, egy percig nem csodálkozom.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov az urali nyelvcsalad kifejezes csak szamodra es a hasonszoru agymosott emberek(?)fejeben letezik!szamomra az az erdekes,hogy olyan nyelveszek akiknek el tudom fogadni az allaspontjat,egyik sem emliti sohasem!:-D
de ha mar itt jarunk orulnek,ha reszletezned!:-D
ZsoltTheHun 1 year ago
@ZsoltTheHun
Azt, hogy te kit tartasz nyelvésznek, inkább egy vicclapba írd meg légyszíves, mert odavaló az, a számodra elfogadható "álláspontokkal együtt".
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
na figyelj ram baratom!az ,hogy nem vagyok muveszettortenesz az azert van ,mert otthagytam a muvkart,azert ,mert annyi baromsagot probaltak megtanitani,hogy mar hanytam tole!egyik ellentmondas a masik utan es ha rakerdeztem akkor csak hebeges volt a valasz!annak az embernek hiszek ,aki amit mondd hiteles azert,mert nem tudok kerdezni,vagy nincsen miert kerdezni, az teljesen egyertelmu es logikus!!szamomra ez az elfogathato!!
ZsoltTheHun 1 year ago
Bizony-bizony, gondolkodó ember számára a kételkedés nem csak lehetőség, de bizonyos fokig kötelesség is. Na persze, ez semmit nem változtat azon, hogy hosszú idők óta eddig ez az egyik legmókásabb magyarázat arra, hogy miért is bukott ki valaki az iskolapadból. S hadd gratuláljak neked még külön azért is, hogy mindez a mai (béka segge alá lesüllyesztett színvonalú) felsőoktatásban történt, azon belül is az acélosan kemény művészettörténész szakon.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov
Te csak itt ne sértegesd a magyarokat, ha valami nem tetszik, cáfold, és ne az undoritó szarkazmusaiddal fröcsögj! Ha találsz bármilyen kulturális kapcsot velük, esetleg tárgyi bizonyitékot, jelezd, addig viszont ne erőltess elméleteket rá emberekre, amig az néhány hasonló szavon alapul. Az hogy ki miben hisz meg mindenkinek saját dolga. Rokon nyelv ez biztos, de nem több egyenlőre. A szkita megnevezés meg nem egy népet takar koma!
Veszett01 1 year ago
@Veszett01
Először is ne komázz, mert nem tereltünk együtt disznót, másrészt meg senki nem sértegette a magyarokat, legfeljebb csak a hozzátok hasonló fél-analfabéta idiótákat, akik ráadásul valamilyen sajnálatos pszichés kényszer hatására kizárólagosan csakis saját magukat tekintik magyaroknak.
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov érdekes a stílusod. Túlságosan fölényes, ezért időnként irritáló.
Most zajlik az ellenpélda, nem látod? Egy hamis dicső múltal egy ország alapítható és megerősíthető. Lásd Szlovákia. A románok miért ragaszkodnak a dákoromán elmélethez? Fordítva is működik. Milyen egyszerű manipulálni...csak a megfelelő emberek kellenek a vezetésbe.
hun0208gs 1 year ago
@hun0208gs Ez úgy hülyeség, ahogy van, már ne haragudj. Szlovákia sem a dicső múlt legyártásával ért el sikereket, hanem a dzurindai reform politikával. Azonban, még ha így is lenne, történelmi hipotézisekkel sem mennénk sokra, nevetséges hipotézisekkel meg végkép nem, csak magunkból csinálunk hülyét.
S még valami: sokadszorra mondom el, nyelvészeti kérdésről beszélünk épp, s NEM történelmiről, ha meg kérdéseid vannak, akkor klikk a videó alatti linkre!
rikanov 1 year ago
@rikanov nagyon úgy tűnik, hogy ebben az esetben a nyelvészet és a történelem összefonódik. Bármennyire is fura. Hiszen a finn-ugor rokonság felrugásával indult meg a finn-ugor nyelvcsalád felrugása is. Lehet rosszul gondolom.
Egyébként csak egy kérdésre válaszoltam. Így megállja a helyét a válasz.
A reform az gazdasági, de egy nemzetnek kell a múlt. Ez egyfajta biztosíték. Ha nincs akkor sebezhető.
hun0208gs 1 year ago
@rikanov hát éppen az van, hogy főként nyelvészetileg nem állja meg a helyét...
vanettova 1 year ago