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  • @aravenfan pray for me gbu

  • well one thing about it, no one can tell bill to go to hell, hes already been. Also theres nothing like talking about hell to make you thristy.

  • Salvation Prayer

    Romans 10:9&10

    God I'm a sinner & need forgiveness. I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for me.That He shed His blood for my sins. I believe he was buried & rose again from the dead & is now seated at the right hand of God. I'm willing to turn from my sin. I invite Jesus Christ to come into my heart & life as my personal Savior.Thank you for the forgiveness of my sins, the gift of salvation & everlasting life because of your merciful grace. In Jesus name Amen.

  • @aravenfan you believe in some pretty crazy fairy tales. You may want to see a psychiatrist about that.

  • @AJspiffies I pray that your heart be soften to your maker, our God before it's too late for your soul. If you're right and I'm wrong, I lose nothing and have become a better person because of my beliefs. If I'm right and you're wrong you will be in hell burning for eternity. Jesus died on the Cross for our sins and went to hell for 3 days and paid the penalty for you so that you wouldn't have to. Please look at 100prophecies (dot) org

  • @1:40 Wait a minute ... scientists?! You believe "scientists" who say the center of the earth is 12,000 degrees? Do you also believe "scientists" who say that evolution is real or are you a hypocrite?

  • This is why people have been turning away from Christanity in droves. On one hand we are told God is loving, kind and merciful....but if you don't believe you will be tortured forever without cease. Endless torture is not just...it's sadistic and vengeful.

  • @cumbco If you have ever read the bible, you will notice that God has given warnings before he would pour out his wrath on mankind. This is that warning. God does love us to warn us of this place.

  • hell is not in the center of the earth r u kidding me

  • @LTV999 I think he was implying that the center of the earth is the closest you can get to hell in 3 dimensions. Hell is definitely be in a different dimension.

  • @LTV999 Its in the center, but not on our plane of existence, its in the center in the spiritual plane of existence/spiritual realm. See, if you were to drill down into the center of the earth, you wouldnt see demons or people or anything, because your not dead and are not in your spirit form, understand?

  • @786myfist Your perception is that God is sending people to hell and enjoying it, when it's the complete opposite...God has done everything to ensure that we can enjoy eternal life with Him, but we still have our free will. God doesn't get pleasure out of seeing people reject Him.

  • @Lellikins free will is a greek pagan concept that crept into christianity. it is not found in scripture. God elects and predestions some for eterenal life and some for hell from the foundation of the world. People will be in heaven because God choose them and gave them faith in Him NOT because they freely choose Him. is Jesus a perfect savior or a potential savior? did He die for no one or someone? Go to my channel and check out the defending calvanism videos for Gods true gospel

  • @peterlabrie1 This is the stupiest thing I have ever read..God choose certain people tp be in hell before they were born?? Are you serious?? So I guess you are one of the lucky ones to be choosen for heaven huh? Lucky you!!!

  • @cumbco its not an uncommon thing when people are ignorant of there bible. I was for a long time to before i actually started to read it. the bible is clear in romans 9 that He has mercy on whom He wills and Harden whom He wills and creates some people for Hell in order to show His wrath and some for Heaven to show His mercy on. it says throughout the bible that God makes people for destruction. It also says He choose us who are saved before the foundation of the world.

  • @peterlabrie1 Idiot, God does NOT create people for hell, you are sick and disgusting and a blasphemer, you are a disgrace, GOD WANTS ALL OF HIS CHILDREN TO ACCEPT HIM, its MAN who CHOOSES hell over God, your a sick bastard saying God creates people for hell, SHAME!!!!!!!

  • @DaggersDen sorry sir your wrong. you have no idea what your talking about. actually read the bible my friend. read Romans chapter nine. God creates vessles of wrath prepared for destruction in order to show grace to the vessles of honor. Man can only choose according to his nature and we are all by nature children of wrath and spiritualy dead. whats amazing is that God would save anyone. You need to repent and put your trust in christ. calling me an idiot just shows how depraved you are.REPENT!

  • @peterlabrie1 the bible also says that He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. So its not like God is getting His jollies sending people to hell but God decrees all things that come to pass, so even though He takes no pleasure in certain acts, His purpose from the beginning was to create a situation where fallen people would need a savior and His plan was to pardon some for eternal life and not others. God is soverign and nothing can happen outside His will.

  • @peterlabrie1 IT DOES NOT SAY GOD CREATES PEOPLE FOR HELL!!!!, WHY WOULD GOD GO THRU THE FUCKING TROUBLE OF DYING FOR US WHEN HE CREATES PEOPLE TO GO TO HELL???? you are pissing me off and are a blasphemer, i should beat the shit out of you if you were near me.

  • @DaggersDen you can swear and threaten me all you want but your problem is NOT with me it is with the God of the bible. you HATE the true God. all your foul language are evident of your spiritual deadness and proves that you are unable to believe the truth. God died for his elect only. those choosen before the foundation of the world. READ THE BIBLE. Jesus did not die for every person head for head in the world. this is my last comment to you bro. Jesus says dont cast your pearls before swine!

  • @peterlabrie1 Jesus did not die for us just so he would purposley make people for hell, what your saying is some people arent meant to go to heaven???? EVERYONE IS MEANT TO GO TO HEAVEN, but people who refuse Jesus and God do not go, God wants EVERY HUMAN BEING ALL OF HIS CHILDREN to be with him in his kingdom, its people who choose not to go to heaven, by refusing Jesus, but what your saying is disgusting you filthy blasphemas pig.

  • @peterlabrie1 Well here's hoping the vessels created for dishonor doesen't turn out to one of your friends or family members...or are you ok with that? Ever think that maybe the purpose of the Elect is to teach God's word to unbelievers in the coming next Age? The Elect are choosen for a purpose, being trained and chassened to serve God in His forthcoming kingdom.

  • @cumbco your first question- yes i am ok with that. infact my entire family with the exception of my two kids and my sister sister are most likley not elect. i pray for my parents and cousins ext, but if God doesnt save them He will be glorified either way. And the pupose for God saving some is for His glory. God gets to show His love and grace to some and His justice and wrath to others. There are many attributes to God and He gets to show all of them to His creation. i pray you can believe!!!

  • @peterlabrie1 This is the most backward thinking I have ever come across! Considering 99.9% of humanity are part of the non Elect...untold billions will be tortured in hell (through no fault of their own) compared to tens of thousands who will be saved (through no fault of their own)! I'm so happy the Father has shown me the truth...which He will reveal to all eventually.

    Romans 11:32 "For God has bound ALL men over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them ALL"

  • @cumbco no sir wrong, nerver say no fault of thier own. only sick vile God hating sinners will spend eternity in hell. do not rip romans out of context. go back to verse 29 to get the context. Paul is talking about all of the elect isrealites. so your a universalist now? it took me a few months to accept the true gospel of Gods election so i can understand your natural rejection but do some reaserch and check out the defending calvanism link on my page. may the Lord open your eyes in this matter

  • @peterlabrie1 I'm not taking verses out of context..."Only vile sick God hating sinners will spend eternity in hell" funny thing, God tells us sin was meant to be in the world. "Moreover the law entered that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more" Romans 5:20

    "For the creation was subjected to futility(sin) not willingly" Evil is in the world so we could experience it, suffering is in the world to humble us, and who causes our suffering? Our enemies.

  • @cumbco Thats why we are told to love our enemies, for they are part of God's plan and purpose.

  • @cumbco No no, don't listen to that guy, God does NOT create people to go to hell, people choose hell over God, i have no idea what that guy is smoking, but God DOES NOT want you to go to hell.

  • Actually, Ecclaistes states that the dead are conscious of nothing at all, that their thoughts do perish... so "Hell" or Sheol is just the common grave for mankind. God is not merciless, so those not approved by him will remain non-existent, not burning for eternity. This is an old interpretation meant to frighten people into worship vs. basing on knowing God, His attributes, and serving him out of love.

  • Jesus simply died on a cross and hundreds of billions people are getting shredded to pieces, chopped up ground into beef for hells maggots and then sent to boil in lava for eternity for not accepting jesus as the true god!? God is a god of love WRONG! god made hell so horrible also why is his punishment worse than what any psycho could dream of?

  • Weird that the rich man couldn't get out of "hell", But bill wiese did? what'd bill do, give all his money to the poor?

  • Honestly.. if this is true.. GOD IS AN EVIL SADIST. It's ridiculous though.. This dude just read the passages of the book and made the absurd claim that "he's been there." He's just another proselytizer capitalizing off of some bulsshit story that he can't prove and that we can't technically "disprove".. what a sham.

  • @dankums

    That's exactly right. i could just imagine Jesus saying " Lord forgive them, they know not what they do".The name of God and of Christ is blasphemed accross the nations by them, by suggesting that they will torture "the lost" forever. But i cannot speak too harshly as i myself once believed in eternal torment wholeheartedly.it's a doctrine that by it's very nature causes anxiety and depression. drove me to drink. then i found that "eternal" in greek meant Aion. Gary Amirault helped me

  • hell is in under this earth??

  • its moronic to think that Hell is in the center of the earth literally. Since spirits inhabit a different realm/dimension, why would hell be in the physical plane? And this guy is a preacher?

  • @dmcarden

    sadly i have found in my own experience anyway, it doesn't take much education to become a preacher/teacher of sorts. I'm not sure in the case of Bill of course, but at my own church they bring in young people to "preach the word", or they teach young children this same old heathen doctrine of eternal torment...all in the name of their loving God.

  • I was pretty sure this guy was legit until he mentioned the "3700 miles deep" thing. Why would God put hell inside the actual physical planet earth? I'm inclined to think that hell is more like an alternate dimension or lower plane of existence type thing, it's not in this physical universe. By that logic, heaven should be in the sky. But any intelligent christian understands that heaven is part of the spirit realm, as is hell. ALTERNATE UNIVERSES.

  • @nvideo360 Well, you see, since No one can go to the core of the earth (to hot) I don't guess that there is any reason to hide it. If someone goes to search for Hell, they won't make it back. But you got a very good point, we don't know if he put it in the center of the Earth exactly, but the bible has hinted it. One verse, I forgot the adress, said "The earth will open up her mouth and swallow them" (or something close to that, sorry for sounding so illogical.)

  • @Pikminfan1000 I'm sorry, my brother wrote that on my account. I agree with you completely.

  • @nvideo360 well, yay :D

  • @ramaraksha01 Ironically, Saddam Hussein did not write a book (The Bible) explaining to the Iraquis how to avoid such torture. The real question is - if you know that hell is suffering, why don't we heed and obey Gods word to avoid such torture? Is God really to be feared? The bible says his presence is joy and love; the only reason to fear is to know you did wrong and didn't accept him in your life!

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  • i have his book, thank the Lord im not going to that horrible place.

  • @jxoxrxdxaxnx dont be to sure buddy.

  • i saw the dvd on 23 min in hell. I CRIED thank u Jesus for his loveand mercy! im glaD IM SAVED. thank u Jesus for the cross

  • @13mzflores lmfao you are soooooo fucked.

  • do you really want to know SamonMarquis?

  • To many of us Christian are going to the church for the wrong reasons, if you are going to hear the preacher preach, or to hear the choir sing, or to see who shows up, then you are going for the wrong reasons. We are to go to church to fellowship with out fellow brothers and sisters and praise and worship him.

  • But, back to your question, God did not come to this earth to condemn man, but to give him the gift of eternal life. It is true, that if you don't accept him, then yes you will be sent to a life of eternal torment. Hey, I didn't make the rules, I wish I could say otherwise. God blesses us so we can bless others, then in turn get blessed again.

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  • I say this, we have the resources, the money, and the food to food the world and have plenty left over. I am an American, and in our country their is enough people with the means to help everyone in need, yet they are to self-rightous and self absorbed to see it. If you don't have the means to give or you are already doing your part, then that statement is not aimed toward you.

  • AJspiffies, it is not me who is condemning you, and if you got that from my response then I ask for you forgiveness for that was not my intention. It is our Holy Father above that will be the final Judge. Another point I want to make also, I have heard people comment, "How can such a loving God allow children to go hungry?"

  • Whoa! Isn't the whole point that god is merciful, forgiving, and loving? That Jesus supposedly died for christian sins? If people agree with a religion out of fear for eternal torture, that doesn't make a religion of love, forgiving, and all that crap.

  • @AJspiffies Hell was not created for us, it was created for the Satan and the Fallen angels. Sin cannot exist in Heaven, it is impossible. Therefore, if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you will not dwell with God the Father.

    Responding to Samon Marquis, hell grows every day, as more and more lost souls get to that destination. And is true that you are to Fear God, but not in the sense like we think of Fear, it means that we should be aware of what he can do.

  • @1948TuckerMobile That still acts as a threat to anyone who opposes Christianity, doesn't it? Does that mean anyone who doesn't take Jesus in to their heart will go to hell, or they just won't go to heaven? You seem like a very intelligent person, and because I disagree with you, you would be a very interesting person to have a conversation with. It's a pity you condemn me to hell without even knowing me though while a serial murderer/rapist could go to heaven.

  • @1948TuckerMobile Ok, so then why are we alive then? Can someone prove what this guy claim is actually true? So we have to be a christian or else? That's not free will! So what are we puppets, who can't control our own destiny?

  • @Dattebayo04 You're alive 2 do good 4 human kind. Or don't you go 2 the other agenda 2 do bad against human kind. I know it seems like one big game almost, but the reality is as real as your flesh when you pinch it and feel the sensation. Even if you don't believe and decided that no one really knows? Preventing going 2 hell be the smart thing to do...just in case its a serious and very real gift to you 2 learn from in a YOUTUBE video. You have no destiny after your flesh has died only spirit.

  • um, we know hell isn't in the centre of the earth. so that means this is all bullshit. has anyone else noticed this? why is he mentioning factual evidence when most of this refutes it? picks and chooses information to pretend his dream was real. that is sad.

  • this is a really bad person. Shame on him for trying to make a living spewing this bs. Shame on any of you for believing him.....god it's great to be above this imaginary stuff.

  • You do not understand his message. When you die, you will either go to Heaven or Hell. There is no inbetween. Just because you are a good person doesn't mean you will go to Heaven unless you accept Jesus as your savior. Then and only then will you escape the pits of hell. When you die and you are saved, you won't go to Heaven being scared, you will be greeted by Angels and the Lord. It will be a glorious time that never ends. If you die and you are not saved, you will go directly to hell.

  • @ServingHeroes and do you know this from your field trip to heaven and hell?

  • @stevietsuvideos

    I know I will not go to hell as I have accepted Jesus as my savior so I know I will go to Heaven when I die. I have also been visited by the Holy Spirit when my own son was saved when he was shot in the head in Iraq,loosing 30% of his frontal lobe. The Army said he was dead but when they went to pick him up during fire fight he was alive. God saved my son and I believe in the Bible and his word. If you will email me I will send you a video of my son who was saved by grace.

  • @ServingHeroes since you're such a devout christian why was your son fighting a pointless war which ended in the deaths of 1 million + innocent people? or was that justified since they were just "the wrong religion"

  • @ServingHeroes How do you know that? How about when you die, you die and cease to exist. Because not everyone will ever hear about the message. So that means even pure heart people who never heard of Jesus will go to eternal damnation. That's not love, and why do we only have two choices? So I guess we're just puppets in a game? We have to convert to the religion out of fear, even though science makes way more sense. We have to believe a talking snake tricked a women to our demise? A slave.

  • @Dattebayo04 That's nonsense. Jesus Christ is the most universally known person on the planet.

  • @ParanoidBerserker Not in nation without connections to the outside world. What you said was nonsense. What about those countries like North Korea. There are people there that never even knew that man had been to the moon, because of communism. Or those African villages without any connection with the modern world. Why do you believe this guy in the video? Seriously, what would actually be the point of the afterlife anyway? The afterlife isn't logical at all.

  • @Dattebayo04 North Korea is debatable, but some African villages may not have heard the gospel and there is a scripture detailing that God will have mercy on these people and judge them purely on their righteousness on the earth. Once I find the exact verse, I will post it. And by the way, it is laughable that you even believe the moon landing happened. That is American propaganda so that they would claim to have the upper edge over Russia in the cold war. And I am not even sure I believe this .

  • @ParanoidBerserker Really, but you still haven't answered the question. What's the point in believing this guy?

    Why believe the bible. After all, what would exactly be the point of an afterlife? It's not even logical.

  • @Dattebayo04 What's the point of this life? We are born into this decadent world for 70 odd years where our whole lives are basically a test between being good and evil. We are (for the most part) given free will in a lot of circumstances to live our life accordingly. Our physical bodies are only temporary, I have no idea how you can even deny our spirit bodies and that we will suddenly cease to exist after this short life.

  • @Dattebayo04 and if you are wrong? i hope you would be prepared for that.

  • @majictoast I'm not prepared if I wrong.

  • @majictoast And I don't want to waste my only short life preparing.

  • @Dattebayo04 I am not even sure if I believe this specific testimony. But I will tell you to watch Howard Storm's ''to hell and back again '' all 21 parts. That is one that I know is true. Just watch it with an open mind and you will clearly see this guy is telling the truth. I mean he was a 38 year old scientist / atheist who denied God his entire life. The experience changed his life.

  • I like fire

  • revelations 21:6 is in Fallout 3

  • I ponder what the Maximum Occupancy of Hell is? As in, how many people are allowed to congregate there until (ironically enough), the Fire Marshall shuts it down?

  • @SamonMarquis there is no end? people that go ther stay there, and yeah..

    just think how many people are there now...

  • @SamonMarquis are you serious? Hell can enlarge itself...i hope not to include you, ie, i hope you aren't being sarcastic! like bill says above, all the good things we enjoy are from God, so what can someone expect if they want to remove Him from their equasion?

  • @SamonMarquis ur so ignorant of Bible, where it says dat 'hell enlarges itself 4 every soul passing thru its gate....'...

  • I believe you-I hope millions of people watch this. Praise Jesus that He died so we don't have to go to this terrifying place for eternity. No one else has to go there unless they choose to by denying Christ and refusing to follow Him. Thank you for your testimony and sharing with all of us, dear brother in Christ.

  • If hell was inside the earth, then I have news for you. In a few billion years time the sun will begin to expand into a red giant, because its hydrogen fuel will eventually run out. It'll expand nearly to the orbit of Mars. So the earth will be consumed, where will your hell be then? Also, even tho this process takes billions of years, its nothing compared to the time span of eternity. It'll take a blink of an eye in in the fullness of time.

  • @happyidiottalk

    Do you believe in God? Because if you do, the question about the earth being blown up in a billion years would have not come into your thought process. God controls all and everything!

  • @latricerone11 Could you be a bit more specific? There are tens of thousands of supernatural beings... enough that we need 25 categories to help differentiate them. But to answer your question, no, I hold no belief in any of the supernatural beings claimed to exist.

    Fortunately, the indoctrination didn't work on me, and I have enough of a brain to have come to the conclusion that I can safely dismiss the supernatural. I hope you do too some day.

  • @o0OJessicaO0 and @FMLdood.

    ez the bible says no one in heavan or earth knows the date, year, or time

    READ IT!

  • sounds to me more like instead of credibility hes just basing his story off of what hes read. more like a story mixed of bible readings rather then a story he suffered. i believe in hell as well as heaven but this story seems bs'ed alot....idk

  • @dontkillthemetal he believes strongly in backing up his story. (if you went around telling ppl you went to hell they would make you feel stupid so backing up your points is his way of making his story more credible). He said at the start that he feels its most important to understand scriptures.

  • @FMLdoodez yea i guess thats a good point but idk like if your doing a sermon on it obviously there here to here his story about it. just my opinion i believe it but i wish hed say more about his suffering then bible readings. idikk just my take on it lol

  • @dontkillthemetal he probably doesnt know what kind of ppl hes talking to (assuming its not his own church) so he wants to sound credible. ppl are very very skeptical about these sort of out of body experiences and without back up these types would find it hard to believe. he is also a pastor who obviously cant shut up about the one he loves!!!! lol

  • @dontkillthemetal he is also doing a sermon .

  • all the people that are saying negetive thigs why did u look this up? like if u dont like this screw off!

  • Is Judgement day in 2012?

  • @o0OJessicaO0 of course it is. :)

  • does he tell children stories like this?

  • @786myfist

    probably! and that's the sad part. I remember as a boy being told at sunday school that my flesh would melt off of my bones, i would never see my parents again. I was told that this was because God is a loving God, but also a just God. Naturally for a 7 year old mind, i didn't understand why a loving God would do that to me, or even my parents. years passed and i was reminded " you must become like little children"- What child thinks a cruel father worse than Hitler is pure love?-

  • P.S. Now that I think about it, I had my own 15 minutes in Hell two days ago.I had to eat the meal that my girlfriend cooked...Her cooking SUCKS BIG TIME!!!

  • Individual pits?Like VIP rooms?LOL

  • this is a complete load of bull shit. i don't know how anyone could believe in this.

  • @019807022 You will be amazed to know how many believe in these crap..."Every second a sucker is born".

  • @chrisgr2008 Yeah its just too bad so many people buy into this fear based nonsense believe systems. The human race is capable of so much more.

  • @chrisgr2008 Have fun in hell...

  • @Domodeath Another brainwashed religious zombie!I won't even bother...

  • he said there was lil air!!...fire needs oxygen....how is that possible

  • which bible are u reading? the My convinience bible by "The lost sole"?

  • If you study the bible youll see Hell is an event not a place underground, God does not torment, Hell is the second death, this is completely false.

  • this is the most bull shit i have ever listened to in my whole life, to you christians just fucking stop believing in this jargen, go out, get drunk, get baked and live life

  • God loves us so much and has made a way for us to escape hell. He has sent His only Son to die in our place. He was the ultimate sacrifice because He is sinless. All we have to do is accept God's free gift of salvation by confessing our sins and asking Jesus to come into our life.

  • do dinosaurs go to hell? i guess that was before they made earth..so maybe not

  • I don't believe it is possible for God to use someone who misinterprets scripture so badly. If this man really took flight through the atmospheric shield holding hands with Jesus, he ought to at least know that King Og of Bashan was not one of the Nephilim and to be aware of the context of Deuteronomy 32

  • He said at about 4 :43 he knew distances and he didn't know how. Time does not exist in eternitiy. Distance = velocity x time. Lol I guess there is some kind of connection here.

  • Have you ever heard about gravity?

    Gravity is what causes the immense pressure in the center of the earth. And this is the reason why there can't possibly be any caves or open spaces there. Who sustains these caves then? God? Or has the Devil enough magic powers to do this himself? Is the Devil also a God, or is he only The Good Lords little helper?

  • This was a really pathetic account.

    What is his motive for telling this?

    It is either that he is deliberately lying to make himself interesting or he is mentally disturbed.

  • @Siddis33 There's the possibility that he's telling the truth.

  • @GSPV33

    Yeah, the truth about a dream he had that night.

  • @rawrEvan guess we'll find out won't we?

  • @Siddis33 I would say both

  • I HAVE NO DOUBT IN YOUR WORDS!!

  • hell is full of pain forever and it never stops. all your fears are there

  • bill wiese is telling the truth and it is a wake up call and we to take this toheart and live radically for jesus christ our lord and savior.hell is a real place andheaven is real place.choose life choose jesus.

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  • So there's a SKY with SMOKE IN IT in the CENTER OF THE EARTH?

    LOLOL

  • I am sorry to have listen to this for as long as I have. I could have been out on the farm planting some seeds for this year, BUT instead I wasted MY time listening to this man and his deamon.......

  • WOW!!! I cant believe your response to this video. after every fact he said, you still don't believe. Planting a seed on your farm????? I hope you enjoy that, because if you dont repent Hell is your destiny. God gave John a vision in Rev. about things to happen iin the future. He mentions Hell. So basically your calling God a liar! Terrible. Repent or receive eternal life with satan.

  • @JESUSISABLE2009 Actually, that would be eternal death with Satan... =/ And yes, listening to this is not a waste of time.

  • Wow... you are dumb... All this guy is doing is trying to scare people into Christianity. He just took lots of scripture and thought up a story the drones of Christianity would follow. People like you need to open your eyes and think about your beliefs. Think about this fact.. There is more evidance disproving God than there is evidance of proving evolution.. Which is accepted by non-retards.. so yeah do the math

  • @JESUSISABLE2009

    LOL? You think this is evidence? Hahahahaha.

    Try not to hurt yourself with those critical thinking skills. Nice logical fallacy, too.

  • Thats a bit harsh for someone who is surposed to be a christian!!!, perhaps you should take a long hard look at yourself as honestly I think your comment is nothing short of abusive!!!

  • Personally, I Believe the REASONS Why Elohim, (which means; Creator, Ruler and Judge) would Allow SOME of His Creation to Choose Heaven or Hell, is because He Understands the CONSEQUENCES of OBEYING the Knowledge of GOOD and EVIL?

    He ALLOWS this to DESIGN a Creation in HIS Own IMAGE and Eternal LIKENESS?

    We are being Created into a Being Just LIKE Him, who Personally EXPERIENCES and Understands the CONSEQUENCES of Practicing GOOD or EVIL?

    So, We Have a Free Will to Choose?

  • Imagine an evil man who breaks into your home, rapes your child & kills her. Brought before the Judge, who simply forgives him & let's him go! How would that make u feel? That's your God? He forgives pedophiles & murderers who beg & grovel, gives them a flesh-pot heaven? how nice - any chance he checks with how the victims feel? How does the little child feel when in heaven she comes face to face with her rapist & killer?

    Do the right thing - don't be a brain-washed cult member

  • "don't be a brain-washed cult member "

    I have a daughter so I understand your postulation. But let me ask you something...

    If Bob builds houses his entire life, he would be known as Bob the house builder, but screw a sheep once and people NO LONGER refer to him as Bob the house builder.

    Case in point, Bob builds houses, THAT is a GOOD thing. Why is it that humanity chooses to focus on the ONE bad thing Bob did when Bob spent his entire life "Earning" good grades?

  • @gsixty not sure what u were getting at, Just guessing here: Say a baby is abondoned in the streets, he grows up mocked, abused, hungry & beaten. He committs crimes & dies. He goes to hell where he is mocked, abused & beaten? We are but products of our environment - if this child had loving parents, he would have turned out differently - we are but products of our environment. That is why the concept of hell is just so ridiculous. Take away hell one must take away heaven also.

  • ramaraksha01,

    *IF* these demons mock, abuse and beat ppl in hell b/c they hate God, than wouldn't anyone who was treated the same way on earth be mistreated in like fashion b/c they are created in the image of God?

    BTW- To debate hell or defend it without ANY experience isn't something I am qualified to do with any merit. It is my opinion that we should stick to what we know instead of venturing out into realm of guessing.

  • @gsixty It is a belief - all we have are books written by people with little or no education - have u not come across the passages of slavery, sun revolving around the earth, earth 5,000 years old? If u don't want to guess, then u must become an Atheist.

  • God should be all powerful, it's a bit silly to think he has powerful enemies - hey that's just like a king, god made in the image of a king, that's all.

    If a Judge sends a man to jail cell, knowing that the cell mate is a crazy murderer, should he not take responsibility if the man is killed? If your kid says I am being harassed in school, that has nothing to do with you?

    Christian morals come from the middle ages, so many times they are out of step with modern values.

  • "If a Judge sends a man to jail cell, knowing that the cell mate is a crazy murderer, should he not take responsibility if the man is killed?"

    That all depends... Should parents of the students of Columbine High School that were shot be responsible for the deaths of their children?

    Christian morals? Please explain... I didn't know morals were derived from a "religion"?

    Traditions perhaps but morals???

  • @gsixty that's a wrong exmaple the parents had no way of knowing that crazy kids were running around. That's really sick of u - u realy think a parent would knowingly send his kids into danger?

    What a horrible example.

  • LOL.... I'm sure...

    Do you know that there are crazies outside of your front door? Than how different is it then of you to walk outside knowing full well the dangers that could present themselves to you at anytime?

    You my friend are in grave danger.

    BTW- Please explain about "Christian" Morals

  • ALSO if you read what I wrote, I asked a question. I did NOT say a parent would do such a thing BUT thanks for jumping the gun on that one!

    Back to your question.. How can a person be held accountable for someones decisions? What kind of world do you live in?

    IF I tell you I will kill your child if you do not give me ransom money, can you honestly tell me you would hold yourself responsible for your child's death IF I kill them b/c you refused to pay me? THAT my friend is SICK!

  • @ramaraksha01 Modern values are becoming more and more different from what they used to be. For example, it seems like people are almost encouraging homosexuality these days. It's against the bible. It's not that they were wrong back then, but that society is today...

  • @GSPV33 Well change is constant. That actually shows that the bible was written by man. A God who runs segregated heavens, who divides people, who is going to kill 5 billion innocents, doens't know that the earth revolves around the earth, creates gays, then turns around & says they are evil? That's not God speaking, just some human with little or no education living thousands of years ago

  • @ramaraksha01 Based on the mindset that God is real and that you believe in him, then you can understand that God created us all and he is justified in everything he does. The people who die aren't necessarily 'innocents', but anyways, that's not for us to judge.

  • @GSPV33 No Even God is accountable for what She does. If we blindly obey & accept whatever is done then we become slaves/brain-less robots. God doesn't need brain-less slaves. We have been given a brain for a reason - ask questions - that is the path to Moksha - Enlightenment. Heaven is the lower goal - just beg & grovel.

  • @ramaraksha01 Christian's don't just mindlessly accept God's will like slaves/brain-less robots. We have free will for a reason. Being a Christian means putting your faith in him and choosing to follow him, not only because you know that we need it, but because we want his love.

  • @GSPV33 Tell me what happens after you die-you are in the presence of god, you are kneeling, shaking in fear, begging for his mercy - this man could send you to a torture chamber for eternity. Are you saying you are free to disagree with this person with the threat of torture hanging over your head? That's like saying Iraqi's living under Saddam were free to disagree with him - do you know what would happen to them if they did?

  • @ramaraksha01 We have free will. You can't deny that, because, of course, there are many non-Christians in the world. So we are free to disagree with him. But the result of that is still punishment in hell. The thing is that if we die in his grace, he allows us to join him in the kingdom of heaven.

  • @GSPV33 Not sure how any mother or father would torture their child just because he doesn't believe in them. That's a god made in the image of a medival king - a king who views loyalty as the highest virtue. A "god" who proselytizes? No room for the likes of a Gandhi but a pedophile, terrorist gets heaven? You choose to kneel, cower in fear, beg & grovel to a king.

  • @GSPV33

    You don't understand psychology either, apparently.

  • @GSPV33

    You don't understand psychology either, apparently.

  • Good and evil are relative and subjective terms. Different cultures AND different time periods have different standards of morality. There is no objective way to say which one is more right than wrong.

    However morality is something that evolves as Humans are a social species and can share ideas and improve upon them with our consciousness and communication as our communities grow. However, things like not murdering family members can be biologically explained and hence objective

  • why do people go to hell?

  • @gsixty Not in Hindusm, they don't. there is no hell or heaven "up there" but they are right here on earth - we create a hell or heaven by our actions - witness how some countries have built theirs while countries like iran & iraq have managed to fritter away all their oil money. God is like a Teacher, there to instruct & guide but will not interfere - the Grades that u get are EARNED, not given nor begged for.

  • Because they never accepted Jesus Christ as theyr Lord and Saviour.. Without him we are lost..

  • Bottom line yours is a king religion - God made in the image of a king. U are subjects/slaves/servants of God, u exist at his pleasure - behave like a slave or else!

    Ours is a Teacher faith - we are children, students of God. All God can do is give us guidance & encouragement - we have to fight our battles on our own. We can't escapte to an animal farm "up there" - heaven or hell is right here on earth, made by us. A student must EARN his grades, grovelling & begging won't help.

  • Muslims say the same thing - pray to Allah or else! But i am sure they are wrong & you are right.

    David Koresh said the same thing - he promised his followers heaven & hell for non-followers. That of course, is a cult?

    The mark of a true God like Rama is one where U EARN heaven, not get there simply by begging & grovelling. No one is cast into hell because of their faith or lack of it. Heaven should be a place for ALL GOOD SOULS - u can have your segregated heaven - party with pedophiles, yay

  • My Goal is not a flesh-pot heaven, but Moksha, Enlightenment. Moksha is EARNED not begged or grovelled for. Just like a student taking a test - don't beg & grovel the Teacher to give u a grade that u don't deserve - Stand Tall, no place for Fear, accept the Grade that u EARNED - if it is not to your liking, it's upto u to change it! Didn't i say She treats us like human beings, not animals?

  • Oh you'll be begging and groveling all too soon enough, I'm very sorry to say. The devil has you blinded and you seem to bask in it. You think we Christians beg and grovel? You have not one miniscule fraction of a clue as to what you're talking about. You;re just talking to hear your head rattle. You're not really assured in your religion because thats all it is RELIGION. You allow yourself to be dictated.. and should you fall a little short what happens then? When we fall short we are forgiven.

  • As for me begging & grovelling - see that's the diff between a real God & a despot like Saddam "god" - all your saddam "god" is interested in is in making sure you are properly cowed & live in fear of him like a good slave.

    Rama embraces ALL GOOD SOULS, whether they believe in him or not. Good Atheists are dearest to Rama.

    All you care about is proselytization - u have stooped to abusing your "god" to do your dirty proselytization.

  • You're very silly. You think you know something.. and you seem to know very little about God. There is ONLY 1 GOD!

    Rama is a MYTH!

  • Mine is a Teacher faith - U see all kinds of evil things happening & wonder why doesn't God do anything? That's because God is a Teacher - a Teacher's job is to instruct & encourage. The Student will have to attend class, study & take the tests - God treats us like human beings - We are responsible for our actions, society, this world. God will not interfere.

  • Don't you tell me what I see and think. The only "wonder" I have is how my God could love me so much that He died in my place spiritually, so I won't have to. Well, I also wonder how people as yourself insist on 'paying for' a GIFT that has been offered to you free of charge. Have you not sinned in your life? Who forgives you for that sin? You have to be forgiven by the One who is qualified to forgive in order to enter into His Kingdom. Otherwise, you'll not get in. Your "god" is non-existant.