StarCraft 2 - Nestea [Z] vs BratOK [T] G1 (Commentary)

[shootingmen]

marines....steampack......medi­vacs....OP

[XtremeOCer]

......want to buy ghost snipes......dissapointed. bratok thrown everything away just to those ultralist at the end...damn

[qwas12348gr5]

lol its funny i how i literally watch more 8x more starcraft then i play.

[qwas12348gr5]

Husky and HD are good.

Force is and always will be the best.

[lawstahz]

gg

[huskysglare1]

It's strange that the Pros don't use SPORE CRAWLERS to defend their base from drop ship harass.

5-6 Spore Crawlers can cover the entire main base perimeter! Spores can take out the ship as well. Trapping the marine at the base. Spines are USELESS against drops.

[DenarianLord]

@huskysglare1 Spines attack the Marines, which also makes them attack the Spines instead of Drones or buildings. If the terran can kill drones, he doesn't care if the Medivac and all the Marines die for it, they're cheap as hell and will probably be replaced before the drop is even done.

The entire point of the Spines is to buy time for the Zerglings, Banelings, Roaches, or whatever else you have to get there and clean up.

[huskysglare1]

@DenarianLord Here's the reasoning behind using Spores vs Spines.

Spores: Kill drop ship. Leaving the marines to their death. END OF HARASSMENT. No more pick up and leave and come back later for more harassment.

You don't need many to cover all of your bases. 5-6 for the main base. 2-4 for expansions.

It buys you time to shut down the harass. He has to unload from the outside, drone safe. You'll know when and where he's dropping. Killing the marines will be a lot easier without Medivacs.

[huskysglare1]

@DenarianLord Look at Nestea vs IMMvP G7. There are bases with 6-7 spines and it's still got taken out by 1 Vac and 8 marines! It's ridiculous.

The problem with spine is it can easily be countered by dropping out of range, stim, and go in for the kill. A lot of the time, the spines are too spread out to do any damage. By the time you get back with your lings and roaches, they've already killed all of your drones. In addition, they can always pick up and you can't do a thing! 500 Minerals SAVED

[DenarianLord]

@huskysglare1 The same goes for Spores unfortunately, only instead of being able to be picked up the Marines just stim and start killing drones while the drop-ship is destroyed, and then proceed to do whatever damage they can until the army shows up.

Best solution is a combination of both, Spores to destroy the medivac alongside Spines to nail the Marines. It still pales in comparison to the Terran defense of Tanks/Missile Turrets, but Terran has been imbalanced since the Beta, why stop now?

[huskysglare1]

@DenarianLord The difference is stopping the harassment. The Medi+Marines costs 500. They would have to kill 10 drones to be worthy. The drones can always be evacuated, but the Marines and Vacs are doom.

Like i've said, marines aren't deadly by themselves. They can be wiped out very easily with a couple of roaches or lings without Vac support. essentially, killin t Harassment.

I've thought about using both but it's not cost efficient. You'll need at lease 10 spine/spores to stop any drop.

[ChrisShnoo]

Was anyone else giddy when they saw 10 ultras in production?

[SleepingEntity]

And I thought ultras were useless...whoa...

[ThePandoh]

Gah that was fucking brutal!! lol

[zircle999]

Hahaha, go Ultralisks!

[Leknyr]

You don`t spell BratOK name right, he is bratО`k what means member of Russian gang

[mountlogik]

@Leknyr * You did not, which means, in Russian it means member of a gang.

[Leknyr]

@mountlogik Thank you and sorry for my English

[starzic]

baneling et ultralisk OP but they nerf hellion

[mabney1988]

Nestea confused me in game 7 of the last series. What was with the mass lords when they hadn't been working for him all game?

[TheOmnicience]

who in the hell needs muta-ling?? ill just go ultra-ling!

[housewars1]

too bad its not nestea vs brisk

[yuri330]

@ForceSC2strategy Do you still plan on doing 2v2 commentaries ? I haven't seen any in a while.

[MadBagOfHorses]

30 food behind Nestea masses ultras, leaves his lings in the front so they die fast with no effect and he's still able to 1-A through BratOK's forward army his planetary fortress and reinforcements that bring up the rear of his 200 food forces.

Idra bitches about these things? There was literally no battle micro from Nestea in that entire engagement. There was almost no composition, either... a few lings then ALL ultras.

[SeventhPride]

@MadBagOfHorses Its possible cause nestea was smart enough to hide his ultras, if nestea didn't hide his ultras brat just has to mass maruders and tanks which is retarded how hard they counter ultras. Dumb ass kid who thinks zerg is ez peasy 1 + a. Sorry, but we aren't like terrans who has to click T before 1 + a move.

[SeventhPride]

@MadBagOfHorses And for your information, nestea DID use micro in that game, if ultralisk weren't microed then they would not have split up attacking and they would only aim for 1 unit, thats how retarded their ai is. Dumb fuck terran with TDS

[259]

@MadBagOfHorses You are missing the other part of the analysis in that BratOK was behind on his upgrades compared to nestea and did not properly respond by starting to pump out marauders like crazy. Had he had done that as soon as he saw the ultras he would not have been so easily steamrolled. Idra has a point in bitching about these "things" because they really are useless or highly ineffective in most situations.

[devinnye]

@solesurv, but this commentary was better, right?

[biebre]

And we have Infestors comming out for infestors :D nice one ;)

[Nasherize]

on replays how do you go full screen?

[InfestedChris]

Rather watch Force do this series then Husky

[AlausBaronas]

@InfestedChris I would too, but huskies was just way sooner :/

[jomastretch]

ultras op :)

[rythmjc3]

@jomastretch Ultras are only OP when they are fully upgraded lol~

[jomastretch]

love the lowering of the menu bar, pro cast

[username951100]

Why you no work on HD? stupid thing

[AlexNoise1]

That game was lame... All nestea done was lose his while army then get a bunch of ultras then "A" move for the win... Lame Zerg.

[gulash86]

@AlexNoise1 u cant look at it that way. Bratok couldve had 3 ups on tank attack as well as 3 3 for rines. He lost becuz of ups. Its his own fault really. Nestea played it smart, jsut got ups and made 1 massive push. Bratok also wouldve had enough time to make some ghosts etc.

[t0m1337n]

I enjoy your regular content Force!

[Avfcvenom]

terran are so op

[jomastretch]

@Avfcvenom but they lost?

[Avfcvenom]

@jomastretch but doesnt mean they arent op

[schizer]

ULTRAS!! I haven't seen them in action for so long!

[Plusimurfriend]

@schizer with the new expansion they will be the main zerg build

[leonken56]

Ultralisk is too OP

[SuperSmashShaman]

Good game.

[danglingdouchebag]

how come theres no asian terrans?

[araym7]

@danglingdouchebag MMA? MVP? Boxer?

[danglingdouchebag]

@araym7 as in terran units or characters

[eazynwa8]

damn getting tired of watching T v Z

[Kurmuh]

@eazynwa8 Getting tired of TVZ? It's like the best matchup you can have, so many counters, so many cheeses, its amazing....

[ltsmx]

WAI U NO MARAUDER?

[canadialad99]

11:43 sounded like you were singing the tune to "hungry hungry hippos"

[InfernoX17]

Who saw the queen with the clutch transfuse?

[yourmomsmanly]

you rock Nestea!!!

[maximan105]

5/3 ultras, holy shit! They were almost invincible!

[StepanKpax]

Zerg охринительный видос

[AustinSollie]

Harry kills Voldemort!

[andres80000]

@AustinSollie OMFG NO WAY!!!!

[june372]

@AustinSollie FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU­UUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beanman2848]

I like how he pushed forward with queens at the end.

[Tiijei]

Anti-Spoiler!



[solesurv]

Damn just watched this on huskies channel lol

[maitrekenshin93]

@solesurv the question is: why would you watch husky at all?

[JAFrk]

@solesurv yea but compared to force, huskys terrible

[WisLaRapJo]

@JAFrk I totally agree with u! FUCK HUSKY FORCE FTW

[solesurv]

@solesurv Can a man watch BOTH channels? Hush all you haters!

[valeriy1987]

@solesurv

Same, but I like Force's commentary more + epicness of this series is enough to watch it twice : )

[podgo576]

@solesurv i dont like husky

[austoful]

you know its a party when the 3/6 ultras come out... especially when cracklings are in the mix . while the terran is trying to focus down the almost invincible ultras he is ignoring the cracklings MURDERING his units.

[blueslayer99]

BratOK could have focus fired down some of those ultras, as a few of them were really low on health, but It was looking to be GG at that point anyhow

[GOcgyFLAMESgo]

i just watched this on husky's channel lol

[GOcgyFLAMESgo]

go force

[MrRobotClouds]

Thank god. I was about to throw up my hands in exasperation concerning how ridiculous marines are. I still think they are WAY too good and the biggest reason (outside ghosts) why Terran are too powerful right now- but it's good to know that there is SOMETHING Zerg can do. How annoying, however, that Zerg had to run through three different strategies and all three tiers to stop Tier 1 and 2 units whose composition didn't change the entire freaking game.

[tuberklops]

diablo

[nyczchoiboi]

the awkward moment when you realize Husky already commentated on this game...

[DietLemonlime7up]

@nyczchoiboi Its not about who commentates first. Its who you actually LIKE listening to commentating. I'll listen to force over Husky any day

[28rzr]

@nyczchoiboi The awkward moment when you realize this game was from Blizzcon and DayJ and JP live casted it before Husky downloaded the VoD...

[28rzr]

NesTea vs Brat OK in 1080P...thumbs up for you force.

[Celeodor]

Good stuff, Force.

[unresolvedlinkage]

first

[tristancow]

@unresolvedlinkage no, you greasy butt