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  • Dont let guys like Doug Wilsom fool you ! hes not as skilled as other people in the bujinkan....there is some very skilled fighters you just need to find them ....

  • Don't fuck with 10th Planet with your hands!

  • its a pretty useless art if the only thing you are able to do is kill someone! Most street fights dont involve actual murderers who are trying to kill you, they involve big hard drunk idiots who are going to try and batter the shit out of you with their fists and then when one or both of you lose your balance lay the boot in. Being up on a manslaughter charge becuase of a bar fight is not really sensible.

  • @loxley75

    The hazard of "killing someone" is a typical BS dojo-smart "masters" often hide behind whenever someone confronts them with experienced fighters.

    That's why it's a good idea to include some serious randori in your training.

  • ...and he ended up bleeding. So much for that. And one last thing: Those Bujinkan masters who are really good will not be found on Youtube so if you want to see the best guys go to a dojo instead of being a Youtube warrior. I never ever commented on these negative opinions before but I kinda got fed up. Anyway, I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

  • ... I'm in the Bujinkan and even I don't agree with things, like the way they hand out grades sometimes but you know what, I don't care!!! Why? Because I'm chasing knowledge and not grades! I've been practising for over 12 years and I'm only a nidan and not because I'm crap but because I think I don't deserve a higher grade just yet. I focus on learning and practising instead of collecting dans. Oh, by the way, the style works, I was attacked on the street and the guy couldn't even touch me...

  • Apparently some people just can't miss out every single opportunity to slag a style which in their opinion is not good, crap or whatever and think they are very educated in the topic. If they are so smart, why do they keep forgetting the most important thing: when it comes to a real fight it's never about the style but the person. And only because they see some not-that-believable bujinkan videos they think they know everything about the style. Here's the thing: ...

  • 15th Dan doesn't mean he's not human and that he doesn't make mistakes.

    Plus Jason.C is definitely a strong ground combatant.

    I trained with Doug once and it's enough to tell me he's a great man both at art and character.

  • Excuses excuses... weak martial artists always have an answer for everything, let's face it ..he was shit! 15th Dan, my ass! He's the ultimate in McDojo teachers (sensei's a bit too good to describe him) if someone dissed my style, i'd ignore it if it wasn't constructive but with such high awards such as 15th Dan, and self indulgent posturing on Youtube, ur setting yourself up for scrutiny and ridicule. I've seen purple belts more Proficient in the Jitsu styles than this clown.

  • @mrdubcrazy Insults insults.... ignorant people always use the anonymity to troll (bring in their opinion into thing they don't understand). Jitsu means ability, what are "Jitsu styles"?? Jason Chambers is a mma fighter using jujutsu to make money. Doug Wilson is an martial artist which would rather run than fight. It's difficult to explain Budo to someone doing Martial Sports, you know...

    Anyway... Doug won so you can go suck a dub.

  • @Obiwan198 Jitsu, u ill-informed person, means Technique/Art. also, I thought it wasn't about competing? The statement 'Doug won', seems to denote your support for competitiveness. You are the one who knows nothing about Budo! By Jitsu styles i mean, Bo Jitsu, Jo Jitsu, Aiki Tai Jitsu, Kenjutsu and Ju Jitsu... not Sport Ju Jitsu (though that has more self defense value than Bujinkrap). I like what you said about Jason using Jitsu to make money, and i suppose Bujinkan's instructors do it for free

  • 15th Dan PAAAAAH!!!!

  • 15th Dan PAAAAAH!!!! wot a fag!

  • He got thrown in a no-punching match by a profi jujutsu fighter. Bleh, anyone could handle that...

  • @Obiwan198 jason isnt a professional jujitsu fighter,he has fought mma professionally.The point is the lad was completely clueless empty handed,he was like a beginner which is what most ninja masters are.

  • @billysue2 And you base your evidence of this completely on the footage obtained through the silly Human Weapon show? Keep in mind this is for TV. It's designed to entertain people. A personal friend of mine who is a teacher knows Doug Wilson, and Wilson was told to hold back. Always question television sources - they're rarely reliable.

  • @ninpo4life ive seen every vid of this clown richards and hes useless empty hand like every ninja fantasist

  • Apparently Doug Wilson is an embarrassment to the Bujinkan.

  • Some can not be judged by looking externally

    If that is actually fighting. shihan may be attacked by outside rules It is part of the control to the Technique.

    For sport and then. The winning score was over

    Ninpo Budo and for the victory is to survive.

    The defeat is death.

  • La lucha con armas es muy diferente a la lucha cuerpo a cuerpo sin armas a las que el amigo del programa esta acostumbrado. Ademas la lucha con armas es mucho mas difícil (y ni hablar de las armas múltiples de este caso) de aprender en poco tiempo, por no decir casi imposible.

  • I found this video very insightful and Doug Wilson is clearly a skillful fighter. But for me Jason Chambers was much stronger at the hand to hand engagement.

  • Doug was being very nice when he tried to take Jason down and Jason took advantage of it. Doug could have made it much nastier but he's a nice guy. I don't think it bothered him.

  • And jason was very nice with his takedown. He was also very nice not to completely dominate him and/or choke him out on the ground. He protected "Shihan's" dignity by not smashing him in this fight.

  • Jason was way too nice. Jason, a purple belt, knew he was being filmed so he showed respect. I think many traditional martial artists lie to themselves and train with lack of realism. As years pass, they begin to believe that never tested skills are in fact super deadly. When they are tested, reality hits home. MMA is a sport. But it's as close to real fighting as we can get legally. And a true ninja master should have no problem KOing any MMA guy if he/she is as deadly as he claims.

  • @MAfanatic Jason is a Brown Belt.

  • @MAfanatic i thought i was a troll!

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  • I wasn't saying that Doug wasn't trying. I think he lost that part of the match. However, I was saying that he only tried to do a simple throw. He didn't make it near as nasty as I've seen him do to others. There were no strikes or anything. A very nice and gentle throw. I don't believe that if this was a real fight that he would have done it this way.

  • I would have to agree.. they both would likely have approached the whole match much differently....but they both did good...not knocking either one..You never know from one second to the next who will prevaill..their both highly trained..

  • bullshit chambers is no joke hes trained in bjj under eddie bravo in a hand to hand match he would own doug

  • Doug was disoriented and confused when his technique failed. It's not his fault. Reality is, Doug was made to believe that his techniques were super deadly and he got cocky after he scored a few points with a plastic swords. I hope Doug learned a lesson and did some cross training in BASIC grappling/submission grappling and/or boxing. I think Jason was the NICE ONE. Keep in mind, Doug trained for years. Jason is a PURPLE BELT in Brazilian Jiujitsu and isn't a top MMA guy at all.

  • it takes many years to get a purple belt in bjj fool.

  • i think doug would have won the hand to hand fight if he punch the other guy he could have easily done this look at jason chambers when doug came in he raises his hands and put his head down try to protect hisself doug just let him go and decided not to punch thats the reason why he lost

  • This is a good example of why modern ninja LARPing is pure bullshit. You "bujinkan" fags needs to embrace reality.

  • Your a knob with who shoots his mouth off about something he knows nothing about. Please come to my dojo, I will show you what " Ninja larping" is all about! And by the way, I choked an MMA fighter out in his dojo using his rules, ...so we're not all to be underestimated!

  • Where is you dojo?

  • Swindon, Wilts, England

  • Too far away....

  • I train in bujinkan in asutralia, and i dont know how it works with dans anywhere else, but all of my sensei are extremely good fighters, and we focus on taijutsu. Despite this they are all relatively low dans. The highest dan that trains us is seventh, and the highest ive ever met is tenth, and he had to be at least 50.but really i dont mind how it works overseas or anything, it works for me. I like it, and its helped me out a few times.

  • If we think this as a battle. Doug killed many many guys before he got killed. In reality he would not risk his life throwing his weapon and grapple. He wanted to try the guy and it was a show, nothing serious. It is obvious that an MMA guy trains ground fighting 50 times more than a Bujinkan. Bujinkan trains with many many different weapons (tools) as human beings use tools before using their hands.

  • There is no reason for us in the buijinkan to get defensive.

    In weapons the shihan dominated to a ridiculous extent. In hand-to hand, well for some reason he decided to drop his weapon and grapple with a jiu jitsu fighter, what would you expect to happen? Also, if you watch closely, the shihan DID get beat hand to hand, but he DID NOT get cut by the sword at the end the roll saved him ...that's a pretty sweet move for being in such a bad position.

  • @seadawg93 Amen to that! Jason is truly a skilled fighter, and this is just a show. They'd both fight quite differently if this were a life-and-death matter.

  • This is a sword/ bo/ shuriken fight, not a hand-to-hand fight. This should not be taken as evidence that a ninja could defeat any comers. Let's see a sparring session where they take on a MMA fighter. Then we'll decide.

  • Everyone is saying he is young for 15th dan. That is exactly right. Bujinkan hands out Dan ranks like nothing else. Very little in terms of extra curriculum, or QUALITY CONTROL! Jinnekan and Genbukan...different story.

  • 15th dan?!! O.o

    *looks at 60 y.o 7th dan and scratches head*

  • I am A member of the bujinkan and I agree with u tengutech

  • The Shihan were holding back. The fight was done at the request of the directors of Human Weapon. They had to make it entertaining as well and fun. The Shihan could go up and break his arm in 10 seconds... that would be boring as well as embarrassing for the guys on Human Weapon. One thing I noticed is that they are fighting with rules... there are no rules in Ninjutsu. This is another sign that they were holding back.

  • Eh, even being in the Bujinkan, I find that in a real fight, my money would be on Jason...Its nothing against the Budoka in the video, its just training methodology.

  • You guys make me laugh. Doug cut this guy to pieces with direct head shots. He tried one empty hand technique and was countered. So that makes him worse? I guess none of you have ever failed any attempts at any techniques in any fights. You cant judge a fighter by 1 second of 1 fight and anyone who does is no fighter.

  • well said.

  • If you saw the rest of this episode you hear them say in the begining that this weapon was Dougs weakest area. I have no idea why he would drop his weapon and try to grab an mma guy though. That was pretty stupid.

  • what the.. this is amazing. this is ninjitsu in japan? how much time is spent on tachiwaza and newaza?

  • yeah 14th dan??!! is that even possible lol, i thought it only went till 10th dan..

    jason would totaly blast that guy if he wanted to...

    HAHA WRONG MOVE WITH HIM!

  • 15th dan is the major rank in bujinkan

  • lol jason blast him? meh do some research then look into it hehe, this is only a friendly spar so there wasn't much going on, I gotta admit thou Jason pulled sweet leg sweep on him but yeah Bujinkan does have 15th dans

  • doug suck, he's a 14dan? lol, i wonder how much he paid hatsumi sensei?

  • lol asked myself the same

  • haha love that:

    "thats the wrong move with him"

  • Don't take my word for it, but I have heard that wilson isn't near the best

  • u got owned xD

  • Seriously, the shihan's technique without weapons was horrible. If this is the skill I can hope to attain by training in Japan, i think I'll pass.

  • @jedicapra

    It WENT wrong, yes. But you can't judge someone's "skill" by looking at one mistake. We all make mistakes, and that's natural. Let yourself train with the consciousness of being able to mistake and you'll be training sincerely. Important is what you learn from each mistake and how do you try to flow with it anyway. Even the soke makes mistakes.

  • And how was this mistake? Wilson didn't create a proper opening for entering into barehanded taijutsu, his intentions were clear, maybe too clear. He thought about dropping the weapon beforehand as strategy, and that's not natural at all. He was unpatient. We all are, most of the time.

  • @jedicapra I think you won't. If you are a brown belt JuJutsu fighter with mma training (Chambers), you probably can throw a Bujinkan fighter in no punching match. That's about it.

  • @Obiwan198 jason is a purple belt in bjj and is a sometime mma fighter.Anyone thrown that easily shouldnt be a black belt in a style that is mostly grappling(taijutsu).If there was punching,the ninja dude would have been worse off.Ninjutsu is a useless art in hand to hand,the vast majority of its so called black belts are an outright joke.

  • @billysue2 taijutsu isn't grappling, that's Jutaijutsu. It is not mostly grappling in taijutsu. And if you saw some jasons fights, you would know he fights jujutsu mostly so he has a great expirience in grappling&throwing. Is funny that my comments always attract keyboard warriors. You obviously know nothing about bujinkan budo and the learning process in budo. You only respect martial sports and combat arts am I right? I hope one day you'll grow up.

  • @Obiwan198 taijutsu is the unarmed part of ninjustu,correct?And the only unarmed arts in japan at the time was jujitsu?I know that includes atemi but grappling is a big part.Youre right in your final sentence ,i have little respect for fantasists who dont fight and pat themselves on the back for partaking in compliant partner drills

  • @billysue2 taijutsu includes KotoJutsu, KoppoJutsu, and DakenTaijutsu, all of which are pretty much strikes if not pressure attacks. Grappling part is just as big as punching part, the only difference being that techniques are tought mostly without punches, because you will eventually add them yourself.

    Yes, "ninja" would rather run than fight. "Ninja" would go for eyes, neck and groin rather then throws.Richard v.d. and ninja in mma are jokes. So is ninjutsu free fight. Bujinkan is not.

  • @jedicapra The best I've seen with weapons in the Bujinkan is Kacem Zoughari. He is lethal.

  • chambers did damn good, considering he has little to no weapons training, and is a low ranked mma fighter.

  • hahahaha, the best part is when the bujinkan-"Master" goes into close range and is getting swept down on his ass ;-)

  • A Bujinkan Instructor 10th Dan or above is a Shihan.

  • Actually that is incorrect. Shihan is a term used for the master of the dojo, the one who teaches during the classes as well as runs the dojo itself. and I can guarentee you that person is most likely not a 10th dan somt of the youngest tenth dans are around fifty to sixty years old. (believe me I've met a tenth dan of kung fu.)

  • While that may be the case for other schools of martial arts, in the Bujinkan a Shihan IS someone who is 10th dan or above. TRust me I should know- LOL Look at my youtube name.

  • Ohhhh, ok. Wow for a tenth dan that guy is really young! Well anyway thanks for clearing that up for me. I practice Okinawan martial arts and the Shihan of my school is only 6th dan. So I guess its a little different in Bujinkan than Gojuryu.

    Thanks again

    Cryoswolf

  • The Bujinkan tends to hand our Dan ranks like candy.

  • ah sorry mate but i think your wrong in some way, depends who your teacher is ,

    i know that there are hopless people training with bujinkan and they get a 1st dan in a year then theres other people who are good in basic lvl and there still kyu grades after 5 years thers no hurry

    for that but if it was one of the hunbu shihans to give me grade i would be more cunftable

  • a bujinkan instructor 5th dan and above is a shihan

  • shihan is...?

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