Kobe won 5 TITLES; about to be 6, 7, and probably 8 before he retires. Then this will NO LONGER even be a debate. W/out King Kobe, the Lakers have 0 TITLES and Shaq has 1. Kobe OVERWHELMS Jordan
kobe has now played more seasons, games and minutes than mj and he still isnt close to him statistically or achievement wise ( except the 5 rings). dont get me wrong though i LOVE kobe! what hes doing this year is absolutely amazing and when he leaves the nba it will be a VERY VERY sad day.
when comparing players to see whos better, i like to look at the following: stats, off and def performance, win mentality, leadership, clutch, achievements, hard work, playoff performance, ability to dominate a game and heart. any real nba fan and even the non delusional kobe fans KNOW that mj owns black mamba in ALL of these categories! kobe is the closest to jordan but its really not even close.
Take 1 Kobe add in a D Wade, mix for 1min. then sprinkle a touch of Ginobili set 2min. Finally take a Vince Carter and stir in a D. Rose shake it all together serve with a side of Joe Johnson and your a 20% of the way to making a Michael Jordan ....
@Kelchjrs obviously they are all very good but kobe and wade are different class. carter and johnson haven't accomplished shit and are pretty much just scorers, d rose has played really well for only one season and is a pg anyway, cp3 is better, ginobili is very good but below wade and kobe. none of those besides kobe and wade and maybe carters' athleticism go anywhere near a potion for creating a MJ
@demondayzzz Wade is my favorite player, yes Carter and Johnson are scorers but both underrated even tho Carters past His prime, Ginobili is one of the most underrated players ever. I agree D Rose had a monster MVP season but CP3 is the best PG in the league. I am a Jordan and a Kobe fan watched both play and I will give Kobe is 70% of Jordan but He is in a easier era in the NBA and its past its Golden Age the 90s
@Mark53190 did you read? I said Vince is past his prime....I not sniffing/smoking anything and I'm not drinking the Kobe Kool Aid either I like Kobe and I never thought anyone would come even close to Jordan and he has but he is not greater
Wilt is so overrated the way I see it, just like the era you talked about Wilt also played in another era that if you compared it to today's basketball people would't even know that Wilt's era was basketball.
@AllKobe24 : if wilt played now he would dominate big time...who's the best center right now, howard?...yeah wilt was taller & stronger than 6'10" howard..wilt benched 500 LBS
@AllKobe24 idk what happened to ur comment about kobe being the most skilled player ever. u said mj can have all the trophies and awards. i wasnt just talking about mjs achievements, look at my list in my previous comment. it was sooo much more than just awards with mj. again mj owns kobe in mostly everything (going beyond stats and achievements) so how is kobe the most skilled player ever again? remind me...
@tbird09100 MJ does own Kobe in about everything your right but that's not what I was going for, I wasn't going for the MVP's, Scoring, Stats, etc. I was going for the way he plays the game. I see him as the most skilled because of the degree of difficulty his shots are and he maes them. People go all out on Kobes FG% when there the toughest shots you can take. MJ was good at creating space for his shot, while Kobe could just elevate and shoot and not have to worry about the contest.
@AllKobe24 no ur right, as far as degree of difficulty in terms of shot making, kobe takes the cake in nba history. but being able to make difficult shots is not the only thing to look at if ur evaluating the most skilled player. mj creating his own shot took alot of skill as well. i mean the things i saw mj do in the air, for me, has got to be the most skillfull basketball ive ever seen. but when it comes to topics like this, i think its very opinionated and in the end, i respect ur opinion
@AllKobe24 Yeah I know but I put Bird over Kobe and Magic... Magic said the only person He ever feared going into a game was Bird because He was too good... Remember Kobe is playing in a different era then back then they could knock your head off and it wasn't even a foul let alone a flagrant.... the game has changed......
@Kelchjrs Yeah the game really has changed but I'm sure that if they asked Bird that same question, he would of said something really similar. It's great that they both have great respect for one another.
kobe and lebron are both great basketball players. neither of them suck. kobe is more accomplished. lebron is more naturally skilled. granted kobe has championships, but when they play each other, lebron's team usually dominates, not even a close game. they are on the same level, pretty much, depending on the category... and for someone to honestly say either of them is better than jordan, you'll have to tell me what they can do that jordan couldn't; until then, jordan is still a cut above
Hey so if Kobe finishes the year atop the leading scorers and the lakers get ousted in the 2nd round,shouldnt he win MVP?? i mean, if u go with the annual Lebron James for MVP criteria (when he was in Cleveland), should Kobe get it on the basis that "he did more with less"??? Kobe never won it cuz he was always on superior teams and it was always pointed out all the help he had while James had none on the cavs....now its kinda reversed....so Kobe for mvp!!!
@Reymius Choking in 4th quarters, losing in the playoffs.finals, and traveling doesn't equal greatness. When your teamate (Chris Bosh) goes out in public and says Wade should be taking the last shot and you aren't meant to close out games, you know you must really suck ass.
4 ROSE,WADE,CARMELO,T.PARKER,HOWARD,CP3,DURANT,PIERCE,ETC, ARE GREAT OFFICERS.
5 PRINCE IS BG32 AS ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.
6 LEBRON IS THE QUEEN OF THE SOUTH BITCH (LOL) TAKE THIS AS A JOKE LJ6 IS A GOOD PLAYER BUT HE HAVE TO WIN A RING TO BE IN THE 3RD FLOOR OF MY LIST (TO BECAME A ''KING'') THE SECOND FLOOR IS ANTOUCHABLE FOR ANYONE WHO PLAY THE GAME TODAY.FORGET ABOUT THE TOP FLOOR.
4 ROSE,WADE,CARMELO,T.PARKER,HOWARD,CP3,DURANT,PIERCE,ETC, ARE GREAT OFFICERS.
5 PRINCE IS BG32 AS ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.
6 LEBRON IS THE QUEEN OF THE SOUTH BITCH (LOL) TAKE THIS AS A JOKE LJ6 IS A GOOD PLAYER BUT HE HAVE TO WIN A RING TO BE IN THE 3RD FLOOR OF MY LIST (TO BECAME A ''KING'') THE SECOND FLOOR IS ANTOUCHABLE FOR ANYONE WHO PLAY THE GAME TODAY.FORGET ABOUT THE TOP FLOOR.
@elvishasan what about Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Wilt "the Stilt" Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Earvin "Magic" Johnson, Jerry "the Logo" West,???????? I think they should be in the Third Floor too or higher.. right??
FYI, Lebron is the Princess not the Queen.. you're too kind.. Queen is next to King BTW..
@elvishasan Coolest comment I have ever read on YouTube...but please don't ever put T. Parker on that list lol and Carmelo could be sitting down with Lebron but don't get me wrong they are both amazing players..
@elvishasan HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE? HOW CAN YOU RANK DIRK,PARKER,CP3,DURANT,PIERCE, ROSE AND EVEN A FUCKING JENNINGS ABOVE LEBRON JAMES?? CALLING HIM A "QUEEN" AND "SOUTH BITCH" COMPLETELY VOIDS YOUR OPINION BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST HIM..AND JUST A HEAD UP,SAYING SOMETHING AS AN OPINION DOESN'T MEAN THATS HOW IT ACTUALLY IS.DON'T BE FOOLED BY YOUR THUMBS UP,ITS JUST A BUNCH OF BANDWAGON PUPPETS THAT LIKED YOUR COMMENT COS YOU DISSED LEBRON.
what i never understood of the kobe discussion are 2 things; ppl always take it to 2 extremes. first theres the debate over who's better he or mj, and then the even more heart wrenching debate (even tho that has gone away thanks to lebrons several failings last few yrs) of who's better he or lebron. the truth as always is in the middle; he's not as good as mj and will never be but he is defffff better than lebron.
I used to always say that Lebron is better than Kobe, but after the past fews years seeing what Kobe has been doing OUT of his prime and what Lebron is doing IN his prime...there is just no comparison anymore, Kobe is hands down the best player in basketball. I always thought Lebron would develop, but seems like Lebron has become one dimensional, both are great, but Kobe is on another level
Alvin Gentry isn't very smart. Where is he now? Out of the league? Kobe isn't even in the top 3 of best players of his generation. 1) Duncan 2) Shaq 3) LeBron
@andyhart14 Kobe came into the league in 1996 and was never definitively the best player in the league, in my opinion. He wasn't even the best player in his draft class, for about his first 5 seasons and wasn't the best player on his team, for his first 8. After Shaq started slowing down, Duncan and KG were the best players in the league and after they started to slow down, LeBron became the best player in the league. Kobe only has 1 MVP, which should have gone to Chris Paul.
@Boff122 oh please gtfo no doubt shaq was dominant but who had the ball at the end of games? And Kg and Duncan better than kobe? how about 9 40+ point games with shitty players. Stop being delusional Kobe is the 2nd greatest Laker of all time and is top 10 player all time
@dirtybirds44 Part 1: Who cares who was getting the ball at the end of the game, the final score is determined by a teams play form start to finish. Kobe is the most overrated clutch player of all time anyway, and a lot of the time, the Lakers wouldn't have even been in close games to begin with, if Kobe wasn't ball hogging and missing so many shots. Continued......
@dirtybirds44 Part 2: Duncan was winning championships and both regular season and Finals MVP's, while Kobe was either a sidekick, or shot jacking on a shitty team While failing to either make the palyoffs, or get past the 1'st round. He has the best career among active players, 2 regular season MVP's, 3 Finals MVP's (he was the best player on 4 championship teams), he's #9 all time in PER (Kobe's #17) and he's #12 all-time in WS (Kobe's #18). Continued.....
@dirtybirds44 Part 3: KG was better than Kobe from Kobe's rookie year, until the 2008-2009 season, when he got injured. In his prime he was putting up well over 20ppg, 14rpg and 6apg (as a PF). In that time, he won an MVP, 4 straight rebounding titles, a DPOY and earned every single one of his all defensive first team selections, unlike Kobe. Garnett was also a better candidate than Kobe for the 2008 MVP. Kobe's top 20 all-time, maybe top 15.
@Boff122 Come on now ive met more kobe haters in my day and they all say that hes top 10 at least. Name me 15 players better than kobe... Bet you cant name 3.
@dirtybirds44 I'm not a Kobe hater, he's in my top 20 all-time, I think he's still a top 5 player in the league at the moment and I love watching him play. I can understand people putting Kobe in their top 15, even borderline top 10, but in my opinion, MJ, Chamberlain, Kareem, Oscar, Russell, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, Robinson, DR. J, Karl Malone, KG, Barkley, Moses Malone and West, were all better players, who dominated their era to a similar, or higher degree.
@Boff122 dont listen to cardtrader hes kinda biased but We disagree on what makes the player so great. In my opinion theres only 1 player better than kobe in his primy and thats MJ. I think that you can make a case these players have better legacy than Kobe but to me hes 2nd best player to play in the NBA
@dirtybirds44 Are you fucking retarded? do you really think Dr. J, Karl Malone, KG, Charles Barkley, or David Robinson can be put above KB24? and i think he's gonna be right there with mj if he gets his 6th ring. don't butt in.
@Boff122 KG = great PF, Duncan = best PF of all time but from 2000 to 2010, Kobe dominated so much that no one could stop him. The only season that you can make the case that Lebron is better than Kobe was 2011 (and on). Kobe should've got 2 MVPs...the year he scored 81 points and 5 games in a row with 50 or more and 20 with 40+...cmon. Chris Paul just announced himself to the league that year. And yes i agree Kobe was the best Laker starting with the 2004-05 season when they lost to Detroit.
@andyhart14 You said yourself that Duncan is the greatest player of all time at his position, can you say the same for Kobe? Bigs have historically dominated the game, so the fact that Duncan is the best all time at his position, definitely puts him ahead of Kobe all-time. Kobe was on a shit team when he scored 81 and he couldn't even shoot above his teams fg%, or lead the team in assists for that season. LeBron has been better than Kobe statistically for the past 4 seasons.
@Boff122 A player can be old too okay? See Lebron will be better year by year because Kobe is gettin old. If you want it like that, So kobe is better than Jordan because his stats were better than jordan in 03 and scored 55 against MJ. Its like you Comparin 03 MJ to Afro Kobe. If stats is the basis of being the greatest player then when Lebron James retires his stats will be better than MJ so he's the GOAT right? Is that what you are saying?
@Boff122 And oh another one. You are saying that Duncan will be ahead of Kobe because he's the greatest PF of all time then its like Bill Russel(Arguably the greatest center of all time) will be better than Bird or Magic? Because if Bird the second greatest SF to play then Bill Russel is better. Stupid Excuses
"You said yourself that Duncan is the greatest player of all time at his position" it doesn't matter if some one is the greatest in your position if you are comparing a different position. "Bigs have historically dominated the game, so the fact that Duncan is the best all time at his position, definitely puts him ahead of Kobe all-time" Once again, you are retarded for even mentioning this. It doesn't matter, They play 2 different position, and to even compare them, is dumb.
@CardTrader2012 Part 1: You're comparing LeBron at 18, to a prime Kobe? LeBron hasn't missed the playoffs since his second season, Kobe couldn't even make the palyoffs while in his prime, in 2005 and couldn't even shoot above, or at his teams fg% and 3pt%, or lead the team in assists, the year he averaged 35ppg . "kobe's fg% is very slightly lower than lebron", LeBron could miss his next 700 shots in a row and still have a better fg% than Kobe, you fucking retard. Continued...
@Boff122 Wait a sec, think for a sec, comparing to 2005 kobe and lebron in his 2nd year,
who had a better team? lebron. but other than that he made it every year, and led the lakers to 2 championships. DUDE SHUT THE FUCK up tell me the lakers fg% and 3pt%, please, because a player shooting 45% is not bad at all, or 35% 3 pts fg%
and btw kobe legit had no one to pass to, also, 4.5 ast is not bad at all for a 2 guard.
@CardTrader2012 Part 2: Why are you bringing Jordan into this conversation? It's clear that you don't understand what the triangle offense is and the fact that it was never run to it's full potential with Kobe, since he constantly deviated from it. Watch this video to get a good understanding of how Jordan and Kobe each approach an offense /watch?v=kmK1R17QpJU. Continued....
haha because you are saying lebron had better stats than kobe for 4 years, and automatically is a better player than him. lebron has better stats than MJ, Mj is a way better player. please you have no idea what you are talking about. haha you next comment baffles me, wait triangle couldn't runa full potential, but gave the LA 5 championships? are you stupid? btw that video was on the 2011 playoffs, the whole team played bad.
@CardTrader2012 Part 1: Wow, you Kobetards are hilarious, you just never stop arguing, despite not knowing what the fuck you're talking about. Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs with Odom and Butler, LeBron made it to the Finals with the second best player on his team being Zydrunas Ilgauskas, who averaged 12ppg and under 8rpg. Again, do you think LeBron being able to go 0 for 700 and still have a better fg% than Kobe, isn't a big deal? Continued...
@Boff122 First no, its not a big deal. Kobe was in the league 2x times more as lebron,
look, you can make this case about any veteran player that shot alot. Wait! Now you are lying, 2nd best player is zy? you still have larry hughes, and a defensive stopper of varejao. you don't get it do you? it doesn't matter if kobe didn't go to playoffs, he still got us 2 rings, while lebron choked in the finals and against the celtics.
@CardTrader2012 Part 3: Duncan has accomplished more than Kobe, he was ROTY, has 2 regular season and 3 Finals MVP's and was the best player on 4 championship teams. Being the best at a particular position, doesn't necessarily make you a better player than someone who isn't the best at their position but since it's tough to compare different positions statistically, you should compare them based on accomplishments and how they match up with players at their position. Continued...
@CardTrader2012 Part 2: How did I prove that LBJ is statistically better than MJ? He's better in 4 areas, very slightly in 2. Jordan was better than LeBron in 5 of the 9 major statistical areas and was better in advanced stats like PER and WS. MJ played a lot longer, LBJ's career numbers are subject to change, so who knows what they'll be in say 10 years. When you compare their peaks in each individual category, the only stat LBJ has on Jordan is a .6 better apg. Continued...
@Boff122 Lebron is not in his prime yet. oh by the way, i just proved to you how PER was very defective, and you never use ws as one of the stats, don't kid me, that is retarded. Lebron will still be like this until in his 30's.
@Boff122 "Kobe was on a shit team when he scored 81 and he couldn't even shoot above his teams fg%." WOW! WOW! Lebron when he first came into the league, Lebron had a pretty shitty team. Did he ever drop 81? Actually he couldn't lead them to the playoffs, and he had a better team then kobe. To my next point, kobe's fg% is very slightly lower than lebron, but he led us to the playoffs. I rather have a guy that can get us to win, then a guy that shoots better fg%.
@CardTrader2012 Part 5: Jordan has the highest PER of all time, but being a kobetard, you probably don't know what that is. LeBron is better than Kobe in not only rpg, apg and bpg, but also in ppg, fg%, spg and advanced stats like PER and WS. LeBron is also number 2 all-time in PER, Kobe is number 17. So statistically, Jordan > LeBron > Kobe, you dumbfuck.
@Boff122 shut up.The PER is to a large extent, very misleading. My major issue with the PER is that the formula does not take into account the amount of time a player spends with the ball in their hands. Essentially, with the PER formulas that are currently used, players who dominate the ball are more likely to have higher PER ratings. This becomes especially important when looking at Kobe's PER and comparing them to just about every guard/small forward on this list except Kevin D cont.
@CardTrader2012 Part 3: Kobe has the ball in his hands all the time. USG% measures how many possessions a player uses, Kobe has led the league in it twice. LeBron has led the league in USG% only once, yet has led the league in PER for the last 4 seasons, Kobe's best year in PER was third. Kobe has also led the league in FG attempts 4 times, yet only has 2 scoring titles, LeBron has never led the league in FG attempts and has 1 scoring title. Continued...
@Boff122 Did you read my comments? you don't seem to get it. its not how much possession a player use, its how much a player have the ball. And don't even tell me kobe handles the ball more, because, lebron in Cleveland was basically their offense, and even their pg. usg is not how much a guy handles the ball, its mostly on how much they shoot.
@CardTrader2012 Part 4: Duncan is ahead of Kobe on any respectable all-time list. The sports media votes for the reagular season MVP, Finals MVP and the all-defensive teams, and if they knew what they were doing, CP3 would have been the '08 MVP, Gasol would have a Finals MVP and Kobe wouldn't have all of those first team defense selections. Continued....
@Boff122 it seems you don't get the point of mvp.its usually a good player on a great team. kobe had a way better season then duncan, but duncan played for a better team, and he received the mvp, like this years derrick rose, he is not even close to the best player in the game, but he impacted his team, got the mvp. btw, kobe lowers the guy he is guarind by -4.2 efficiency rate, better than dw3.
kobe is a way better defensive stopper. Actually you are the only legit persion that compared them. haha cp3 over kobe? get the fuck out of here? stop hating and fuck off. kobe had way better season then him, also led the lakers to the finals. Gasol final mvp? no, Kobe legit LED the lakers against the celtics, only the least game, did his teammate step up. kobe all defense selection,,, hmmm, kobe lowers any player's eff he guards by 4.1 you are right.
@Boff122 When the amount of time that a players spends with the ball in their hands is taken into account, these PER ratings change dramatically. If you compare top 10 players using this formula, Kobe had a moderately higher PER than all of the Perimeter players on this list (including Lebron and Wade). Dude also you just killed your self again. Lebron the 2nd in PER, hmmm, better than kareem,bird, magic,and pippen? you are stupid, don't talk to me.
@CardTrader2012 Part 5: That video was meant to be an example of how each consistently approached an offense throughout their careers. If you actually watched Kobe on a regular basis (not just highlights) and analyzed his game, you would understand his flaws. It's obvious that Jordan was much more efficient in the triangle and ran it better, look at their numbers. I'm not even going to entertain a Kobe/Jordan discussion, Jordan was on a whole other level.
@Boff122 You are talking nonsense, Jorst was known to destroy their offense, and just play iso. very much like kobe. mj by the way attempted the most fg of a guard yet, if you are doing the triangle"to its potential" their is no way the mj should been shooting that much, since the triangle is a post minded game. i actually watch kobe's and mj games unlike you who's saying, "cp3 should have been mvp over kobe," "gasol final mvp over kobe" shut the fuck up and don't even talk to me,
@CardTrader2012 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATS THEY DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY! THE((( VIDS)) OF WHAT THEY DO DOES! KOBE'S GREATEST GAMES ARCHIVE MAKES JORDAN'S LOOK LIKE CHILDS PLAY! JORDAN 35 PT'S VS ELO IS ((NOT))) BETTER THAN KOBE 30 PT'S VS A ARTEST! LIKE ON MY CHANNEL SITE YOU CAN SEE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN! THOSE MJ HOMERS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SIMPLE FACT! PERIOD!
i love mj, but if you read the previous comments, he was saying how good mj was running the traingle. IF you were running the triangle perfectly, the guards would not be shooting that much. seriously stop butting in if you have nothing smart to say.
Also MJ found a way to blend his game with the triangle offense. It doesn't matter if he launched half court shots all day. He still won 6 titles, and had the best team in NBA history debatably.
@xXxFB4LxXx i will say it again, i love mj, but he NEVER blend his game with the triangle. mj loved iso and love himself be the core of the offense. The triangle was designed for the post, so if you are gonna tell me how good mj was running the triangle, i know you are biased. mj did not win 6 rings with triangle, he got 6 rings because of the perimeter play. btw way boff and me were comparing lbj and kobe.
mj just got in the converse, because boff had nothing to say.
@Boff122 "LeBron has been better than Kobe statistically for the past 4 seasons."
Lebron has better stat than MJ. But we all know who's better. btw, kobe had to run a triangle, you don't even know what that is. check out mj, and kobe's stats, You see how each of them has that one season where the ppg game is just incredible? That's the season they didn't play triangle.
@CardTrader2012 Part 4: It's funny how Kobetards like to go around telling real sports fans that they know nothing about basketball, when they are the most ignorant group of fans on the planet. "Lebron has better stat than MJ", the only stats that LeBron has over Jordan career wise, is rpg, apg and just slightly in bpg and 3pt%. Continued....
You dumbfuck, you just proved lbj has better stats than mj, that's 4 areas that lebron is better than mj at. That also shows that lbj has a better all around stat than mj.
RINGS IS EVERYTHING HUH? WELL EWING / BARKLEY / MALONE / STOCKTON / KEMP / HARDAWAY / JUST KEEP QUITE .. STEVE KERR ROBERT HORRY THE FLOOR IS YOURS ...OSCAR DOES HAVE A RING MORON ONE IT IN MILWUAKEE!! KNOW YOUR STUFF BEFORE YOU START NET BANGING E-THUG!! BAIL ON HIS TEAM? OH LIKE KOBE DID TO THE HORNETS? LIKE THE BULLS DID TO MJ? HE'S A FREE AGENT HE CAN GO WHERE EVER HE WANTED . JUST LIKE YOU WORK WHERE YOU WANT SO DOES HE. BTW OSCAR AVG'D A TRIPLE DOUBLE FOR THE SEASON!!!
Uhm who gives a fuck what Oscar Robinson said, men with no rings have no credibility to state who is the best. Does Lebron have 6 rings? Did Lebron average 37.4 ppg and still average 6 assists with 5 rebounds. Is Lebron known as the GOAT? Did Michael bail on his team to join West, Magic, or Bird? You're an idiot. And Pippen never said Lebron is better than MJ. After Lebron choked in the playoffs, Pippen came back out and rephrased what he said because he found out his stupid ass was wrong. BITCH
@sosdkny It is going to be hard for Kobe to get a couple of rings with the Heat as the favorites to win it all this year.The Lakers would of had a better chance to win if they could have signed Chris Paul.
@jason60152 no because theyre goin after darrius morris and trading some picks/players for dwight. so that way we get the kobe fisher shaq thing back but with morris kobe and howard
And just a side note, Pippen also finished 3rd in MVP voting that year, won his first All NBA First Team nod, and lead the league in steals. Scottie Pippen alone is enough to make the argument that MJ's supporting cast was better. Youngin's these days who didn't watch the Bulls play dont realize how good Pippen was. Jordan would not be near what he is without Pippen
MJ is best player ever. But Kobe having a better supporting cast than MJ is a joke. MJ's team won TWO...I repeat TWO less games after he left in 93 than the year before. Pippen is WAY better than Kobe's 2nd guy Gasol. He is probably top 25 of all time. He lead the team in EVERY statistical category after MJ left and is one of the best perimeter defenders of all time. Not to mention the greatest defensive player all time Rodman and Steve Kerr highest 3P% of all time plus Paxson,Kukoc etc. COME ON
"to all mj fans" before u argue with kobe fans,make sure u know all about mj....because u look stupid saying mj is goat but u didnt know all his failure and success....
if Gentry think Kobe is better than MJ not sure what he's been watching maybe he missed the 80's and 90's. Kobe w/out dominant bigs won't make it past the 1st round. Jordan w/out dominant bigs won 6 rings.
LOLS! Kobe is better than MJ?? not even close man.. MJ has the best all around than kobe.... and kobe can even win a ring without a good soring center. like Shaq, gasol and bynum. EWWW
@TheJunrex22 MJ would have 0 rings without Pippen and Rodman. Theres no such thing as 1 star winning by himself. Name me one team thats won a championship with 1 good player on it. kthxbai
@CHRISTIANABUSED Pippen is one of the 50 greatest basketball players to ever live. Pippen was one of the best players in the league when MJ had him. You can compare his calibir of playing to Shaq when kobe had shaq. Without Pippen MJ would have 0 rings.
@tony23zz Shaq is a top 15 player all time at worst, Pippen isn't. Having a big man is a huge advantage. Without Shaq the Lakers are a joke in the late 90's and most of the 2000 decade.
Kobe won 5 TITLES; about to be 6, 7, and probably 8 before he retires. Then this will NO LONGER even be a debate. W/out King Kobe, the Lakers have 0 TITLES and Shaq has 1. Kobe OVERWHELMS Jordan
MrKobeClutchBryant 4 days ago
kobe has now played more seasons, games and minutes than mj and he still isnt close to him statistically or achievement wise ( except the 5 rings). dont get me wrong though i LOVE kobe! what hes doing this year is absolutely amazing and when he leaves the nba it will be a VERY VERY sad day.
tbird09100 1 week ago
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AllKobe24 1 week ago
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@tbird09100 Kobe might not have the awards and trophies MJ does, but he is the most skilled basketball player in NBA History.
AllKobe24 1 week ago
when comparing players to see whos better, i like to look at the following: stats, off and def performance, win mentality, leadership, clutch, achievements, hard work, playoff performance, ability to dominate a game and heart. any real nba fan and even the non delusional kobe fans KNOW that mj owns black mamba in ALL of these categories! kobe is the closest to jordan but its really not even close.
tbird09100 1 week ago
If you were to watch that series, you would say the same thing. I am a big Suns fan and Kobe was making immpossible shot.
krillin876 1 week ago
Take 1 Kobe add in a D Wade, mix for 1min. then sprinkle a touch of Ginobili set 2min. Finally take a Vince Carter and stir in a D. Rose shake it all together serve with a side of Joe Johnson and your a 20% of the way to making a Michael Jordan ....
Kelchjrs 3 weeks ago
@Kelchjrs lol joe johnson- half ur list sounds terrible!
demondayzzz 3 weeks ago
@demondayzzz Terrible? Kobe, D Wade, Ginobili, V Carter, D Rose, Joe Johnson all elite players
Kelchjrs 3 weeks ago
@Kelchjrs obviously they are all very good but kobe and wade are different class. carter and johnson haven't accomplished shit and are pretty much just scorers, d rose has played really well for only one season and is a pg anyway, cp3 is better, ginobili is very good but below wade and kobe. none of those besides kobe and wade and maybe carters' athleticism go anywhere near a potion for creating a MJ
demondayzzz 3 weeks ago
@demondayzzz Wade is my favorite player, yes Carter and Johnson are scorers but both underrated even tho Carters past His prime, Ginobili is one of the most underrated players ever. I agree D Rose had a monster MVP season but CP3 is the best PG in the league. I am a Jordan and a Kobe fan watched both play and I will give Kobe is 70% of Jordan but He is in a easier era in the NBA and its past its Golden Age the 90s
Kelchjrs 3 weeks ago
@Kelchjrs fair enough!
demondayzzz 3 weeks ago
@Kelchjrs vince carter? as of right now? like today? the fuck are you sniffing/smoking man?
Mark53190 3 weeks ago
@Mark53190 did you read? I said Vince is past his prime....I not sniffing/smoking anything and I'm not drinking the Kobe Kool Aid either I like Kobe and I never thought anyone would come even close to Jordan and he has but he is not greater
Kelchjrs 2 weeks ago
@Kelchjrs in his prime hes still not in that upper class of elite NBA players.
Mark53190 2 weeks ago
@Mark53190 then you never watched Vince in his prime.....
Kelchjrs 2 weeks ago
@Kelchjrs i have he was very good, but as a defender scorer and all around player he doesnt measure up, just my opinion of course
Mark53190 2 weeks ago
@Kelchjrs i get ur point but kobe is already at least 70-80% of a MJ
demondayzzz 3 weeks ago
@demondayzzz I believe He is but Jordan played in another era of the game. I'm a Kobe fan and He's hated on way to much but He is no Jordan
1 Jordan
2 Bird
3 Kobe
4 Magic
5 Wilt
Kelchjrs 3 weeks ago
@Kelchjrs
1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Magic
4. Kareem
5. Bird
Wilt is so overrated the way I see it, just like the era you talked about Wilt also played in another era that if you compared it to today's basketball people would't even know that Wilt's era was basketball.
AllKobe24 1 week ago
@AllKobe24 : if wilt played now he would dominate big time...who's the best center right now, howard?...yeah wilt was taller & stronger than 6'10" howard..wilt benched 500 LBS
imsljr420 1 week ago
@AllKobe24 I second this list. nice order.
imfreeinfinity 1 week ago
@AllKobe24 idk what happened to ur comment about kobe being the most skilled player ever. u said mj can have all the trophies and awards. i wasnt just talking about mjs achievements, look at my list in my previous comment. it was sooo much more than just awards with mj. again mj owns kobe in mostly everything (going beyond stats and achievements) so how is kobe the most skilled player ever again? remind me...
tbird09100 1 week ago
@tbird09100 MJ does own Kobe in about everything your right but that's not what I was going for, I wasn't going for the MVP's, Scoring, Stats, etc. I was going for the way he plays the game. I see him as the most skilled because of the degree of difficulty his shots are and he maes them. People go all out on Kobes FG% when there the toughest shots you can take. MJ was good at creating space for his shot, while Kobe could just elevate and shoot and not have to worry about the contest.
AllKobe24 1 week ago
@AllKobe24 no ur right, as far as degree of difficulty in terms of shot making, kobe takes the cake in nba history. but being able to make difficult shots is not the only thing to look at if ur evaluating the most skilled player. mj creating his own shot took alot of skill as well. i mean the things i saw mj do in the air, for me, has got to be the most skillfull basketball ive ever seen. but when it comes to topics like this, i think its very opinionated and in the end, i respect ur opinion
tbird09100 1 week ago
@AllKobe24 Yeah I know but I put Bird over Kobe and Magic... Magic said the only person He ever feared going into a game was Bird because He was too good... Remember Kobe is playing in a different era then back then they could knock your head off and it wasn't even a foul let alone a flagrant.... the game has changed......
Kelchjrs 1 week ago
@Kelchjrs Yeah the game really has changed but I'm sure that if they asked Bird that same question, he would of said something really similar. It's great that they both have great respect for one another.
AllKobe24 1 week ago
Kobe will go down as the best in the end.
cenok420 3 weeks ago 2
kobe and lebron are both great basketball players. neither of them suck. kobe is more accomplished. lebron is more naturally skilled. granted kobe has championships, but when they play each other, lebron's team usually dominates, not even a close game. they are on the same level, pretty much, depending on the category... and for someone to honestly say either of them is better than jordan, you'll have to tell me what they can do that jordan couldn't; until then, jordan is still a cut above
drvn8 3 weeks ago
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If you look closely, Lebron travelled.
ShotLegacy 4 weeks ago
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ShotLegacy 4 weeks ago
Hey so if Kobe finishes the year atop the leading scorers and the lakers get ousted in the 2nd round,shouldnt he win MVP?? i mean, if u go with the annual Lebron James for MVP criteria (when he was in Cleveland), should Kobe get it on the basis that "he did more with less"??? Kobe never won it cuz he was always on superior teams and it was always pointed out all the help he had while James had none on the cavs....now its kinda reversed....so Kobe for mvp!!!
626SupremeLogic 4 weeks ago
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tiger1649 1 month ago
Which is defending scoring and HELPING THE DAMN TEAM unlike kobe who goes for highlights rather than TEAMWORK. Which got him "far" last year.
Reymius 1 month ago
Why's everyone hating on Lebron he's the best at what he does..
Reymius 1 month ago
@Reymius the best at what he does... ...traveling
kaehlerMathe 1 month ago
@Reymius Choking in 4th quarters, losing in the playoffs.finals, and traveling doesn't equal greatness. When your teamate (Chris Bosh) goes out in public and says Wade should be taking the last shot and you aren't meant to close out games, you know you must really suck ass.
r0binzero 1 month ago
WORD!
kizaman 1 month ago
if lebron wants so much a ring... is better he get married
eusoulegal77 1 month ago
anyone who says lebron isnt good because he doesnt have rings is a idiot......... hel get one.... hes still young and hel definetly get one so stfu
mavbrown1 1 month ago
He should've been fired. What coach compliments the opponent? Idiot.
Brandutt 1 month ago
@Brandutt So we should fire Doc Rivers, Jerry Sloan, Mike Brown, Rick Carslile AND this guy?
mv996 1 month ago
@Brandutt
this was after kobe and the lakerds eleminated the suns and hes just giving props to kobe cause he was amazing like always
The8310353 1 month ago
@Brandutt they have respect for the best man.. quit hating
chimiKB24 1 month ago
Kobe is the greatest of all time
bootydaddy555 1 month ago
hmm no top comments? time for me to shine
i guess the suns took a kobe to the knee
YEAAAAAHHHHH
superman1113215 1 month ago 48
@superman1113215 lmfao i usually hate the knee jokes but thats was funny as hell
Fenombeatz 1 month ago
@superman1113215 lmfao.
BhFanatik17 1 day ago
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ALL YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT NBA:
1 GOD IS MJ.
2 EMPEROR IS KB24.
3 KING IS DIRK AS A DEFENDING CHAMPION.
4 ROSE,WADE,CARMELO,T.PARKER,HOWARD,CP3,DURANT,PIERCE,ETC, ARE GREAT OFFICERS.
5 PRINCE IS BG32 AS ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.
6 LEBRON IS THE QUEEN OF THE SOUTH BITCH (LOL) TAKE THIS AS A JOKE LJ6 IS A GOOD PLAYER BUT HE HAVE TO WIN A RING TO BE IN THE 3RD FLOOR OF MY LIST (TO BECAME A ''KING'') THE SECOND FLOOR IS ANTOUCHABLE FOR ANYONE WHO PLAY THE GAME TODAY.FORGET ABOUT THE TOP FLOOR.
elvishasan 1 month ago
ALL YOU HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT NBA:
1 GOD IS MJ.
2 EMPEROR IS KB24.
3 KING IS DIRK AS A DEFENDING CHAMPION.
4 ROSE,WADE,CARMELO,T.PARKER,HOWARD,CP3,DURANT,PIERCE,ETC, ARE GREAT OFFICERS.
5 PRINCE IS BG32 AS ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.
6 LEBRON IS THE QUEEN OF THE SOUTH BITCH (LOL) TAKE THIS AS A JOKE LJ6 IS A GOOD PLAYER BUT HE HAVE TO WIN A RING TO BE IN THE 3RD FLOOR OF MY LIST (TO BECAME A ''KING'') THE SECOND FLOOR IS ANTOUCHABLE FOR ANYONE WHO PLAY THE GAME TODAY.FORGET ABOUT THE TOP FLOOR.
elvishasan 1 month ago 58
@elvishasan what about Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Wilt "the Stilt" Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Earvin "Magic" Johnson, Jerry "the Logo" West,???????? I think they should be in the Third Floor too or higher.. right??
FYI, Lebron is the Princess not the Queen.. you're too kind.. Queen is next to King BTW..
o3o791 1 month ago
@o3o791 i dont speak for all the former players only for mj who is the best ever.
elvishasan 1 month ago
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@elvishasan It would've been amazing if they won this past championship for the following reasons....
1. Kobe would have another one on Shaq
2. Phil would have FOUR three peats
3. They would tie with the Celtics in championships
4. People can finally stop comparing MJ and Kobe
5. And finally, they can all get a RINGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!
NoOneCanDefeatKB24 1 month ago
@elvishasan where the hell is allen iverson
insongh1996 1 month ago
@elvishasan you just put tony parker ahead of lebron, and for that, I must tell you that you
suck. nothing personal haha
bbgame18 1 month ago
@elvishasan I guess Rose, Carmelo, Howard, CP3 and Durant all got rings right?
TexansCavaliers 1 month ago
@TexansCavaliers Lmfao . damn, beat me to it .
GucciBoy347 1 month ago
@TexansCavaliers Are you even reading it? did you noticed he say if LBJ got a ring he will be in the 3rd floor
ireallyhatenoobs 1 month ago
@elvishasan THEN KOBE SHOULD BE JESUS SEND BY THE GOD
jimmyjohanes88 1 month ago
@elvishasan woah woah.. lol God was mj.. then they overturned it when kobe came through..
chimiKB24 1 month ago
@elvishasan Coolest comment I have ever read on YouTube...but please don't ever put T. Parker on that list lol and Carmelo could be sitting down with Lebron but don't get me wrong they are both amazing players..
FuckLebron1000 1 month ago
@elvishasan hey what are u talkin about??!!! lebron leads the league in headbands and powder thrown in the air before every game....
626SupremeLogic 4 weeks ago
@elvishasan Rose, Howard, and Carmelo don't have a ring.
fatboy4rmela77 3 weeks ago
@elvishasan dude dont call MJ god thats disrespect
PunkUAre 2 weeks ago
@elvishasan Wade sucks ass.... just saying
darksydejordan23 1 week ago
@elvishasan : your comment makes no sense at all dummy.
imsljr420 1 week ago
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Tooflyforairplanes 10 hours ago
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@elvishasan HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE? HOW CAN YOU RANK DIRK,PARKER,CP3,DURANT,PIERCE, ROSE AND EVEN A FUCKING JENNINGS ABOVE LEBRON JAMES?? CALLING HIM A "QUEEN" AND "SOUTH BITCH" COMPLETELY VOIDS YOUR OPINION BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST HIM..AND JUST A HEAD UP,SAYING SOMETHING AS AN OPINION DOESN'T MEAN THATS HOW IT ACTUALLY IS.DON'T BE FOOLED BY YOUR THUMBS UP,ITS JUST A BUNCH OF BANDWAGON PUPPETS THAT LIKED YOUR COMMENT COS YOU DISSED LEBRON.
Tooflyforairplanes 10 hours ago
He said "I ant saying that" he nos Michael jordan is the best
Pateick23 1 month ago
@-thisnamealso- if we all agreed to this there would never be another war!! C'mon ppl doesnt that sound good?
jrawblue24 1 month ago
@jrawblue24 amen lol
thisnamealsotaken 1 month ago
what i never understood of the kobe discussion are 2 things; ppl always take it to 2 extremes. first theres the debate over who's better he or mj, and then the even more heart wrenching debate (even tho that has gone away thanks to lebrons several failings last few yrs) of who's better he or lebron. the truth as always is in the middle; he's not as good as mj and will never be but he is defffff better than lebron.
thisnamealsotaken 1 month ago
@thisnamealsotaken yeesssir well put ... please no more Lebron vs Kobe it's just painfully obvious ...
MantisAtlantis 1 month ago
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SCALABRINE = MICHAEL + KOBE + LEBRON
Scalabrine is the GOAT nuff said!
jayjoetube14 1 month ago
I used to always say that Lebron is better than Kobe, but after the past fews years seeing what Kobe has been doing OUT of his prime and what Lebron is doing IN his prime...there is just no comparison anymore, Kobe is hands down the best player in basketball. I always thought Lebron would develop, but seems like Lebron has become one dimensional, both are great, but Kobe is on another level
Tkjawa 2 months ago
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tiger1649 2 months ago
all I got from this was, kobe...I want to suck your wiener
zwalters23 2 months ago
Alvin Gentry isn't very smart. Where is he now? Out of the league? Kobe isn't even in the top 3 of best players of his generation. 1) Duncan 2) Shaq 3) LeBron
ryguy2 2 months ago
@ryguy2 you just listed dominant players of the generation. kobe was the best of his generation (2000-2010). errbody should know by now
andyhart14 2 months ago
@andyhart14 Kobe came into the league in 1996 and was never definitively the best player in the league, in my opinion. He wasn't even the best player in his draft class, for about his first 5 seasons and wasn't the best player on his team, for his first 8. After Shaq started slowing down, Duncan and KG were the best players in the league and after they started to slow down, LeBron became the best player in the league. Kobe only has 1 MVP, which should have gone to Chris Paul.
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 oh please gtfo no doubt shaq was dominant but who had the ball at the end of games? And Kg and Duncan better than kobe? how about 9 40+ point games with shitty players. Stop being delusional Kobe is the 2nd greatest Laker of all time and is top 10 player all time
dirtybirds44 2 months ago
@dirtybirds44 Part 1: Who cares who was getting the ball at the end of the game, the final score is determined by a teams play form start to finish. Kobe is the most overrated clutch player of all time anyway, and a lot of the time, the Lakers wouldn't have even been in close games to begin with, if Kobe wasn't ball hogging and missing so many shots. Continued......
Boff122 2 months ago
@dirtybirds44 Part 2: Duncan was winning championships and both regular season and Finals MVP's, while Kobe was either a sidekick, or shot jacking on a shitty team While failing to either make the palyoffs, or get past the 1'st round. He has the best career among active players, 2 regular season MVP's, 3 Finals MVP's (he was the best player on 4 championship teams), he's #9 all time in PER (Kobe's #17) and he's #12 all-time in WS (Kobe's #18). Continued.....
Boff122 2 months ago
@dirtybirds44 Part 3: KG was better than Kobe from Kobe's rookie year, until the 2008-2009 season, when he got injured. In his prime he was putting up well over 20ppg, 14rpg and 6apg (as a PF). In that time, he won an MVP, 4 straight rebounding titles, a DPOY and earned every single one of his all defensive first team selections, unlike Kobe. Garnett was also a better candidate than Kobe for the 2008 MVP. Kobe's top 20 all-time, maybe top 15.
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 Come on now ive met more kobe haters in my day and they all say that hes top 10 at least. Name me 15 players better than kobe... Bet you cant name 3.
dirtybirds44 1 month ago
@dirtybirds44 I'm not a Kobe hater, he's in my top 20 all-time, I think he's still a top 5 player in the league at the moment and I love watching him play. I can understand people putting Kobe in their top 15, even borderline top 10, but in my opinion, MJ, Chamberlain, Kareem, Oscar, Russell, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, Robinson, DR. J, Karl Malone, KG, Barkley, Moses Malone and West, were all better players, who dominated their era to a similar, or higher degree.
Boff122 1 month ago
@Boff122 i completely disagree. your list tells me you have never seen kobe play.
CardTrader2012 1 month ago
@Boff122 dont listen to cardtrader hes kinda biased but We disagree on what makes the player so great. In my opinion theres only 1 player better than kobe in his primy and thats MJ. I think that you can make a case these players have better legacy than Kobe but to me hes 2nd best player to play in the NBA
dirtybirds44 1 month ago
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@dirtybirds44 Are you fucking retarded? do you really think Dr. J, Karl Malone, KG, Charles Barkley, or David Robinson can be put above KB24? and i think he's gonna be right there with mj if he gets his 6th ring. don't butt in.
CardTrader2012 1 month ago
@Boff122
You're a fucking idiot if you think Dr. J, Karl Malone, KG, Charles Barkley, or David Robinson can be put above KB24.
kingcam0775 1 month ago
@kingcam0775 and dirtybird think i am biased. smh..
CardTrader2012 1 month ago
@Boff122 KG = great PF, Duncan = best PF of all time but from 2000 to 2010, Kobe dominated so much that no one could stop him. The only season that you can make the case that Lebron is better than Kobe was 2011 (and on). Kobe should've got 2 MVPs...the year he scored 81 points and 5 games in a row with 50 or more and 20 with 40+...cmon. Chris Paul just announced himself to the league that year. And yes i agree Kobe was the best Laker starting with the 2004-05 season when they lost to Detroit.
andyhart14 2 months ago
@andyhart14 You said yourself that Duncan is the greatest player of all time at his position, can you say the same for Kobe? Bigs have historically dominated the game, so the fact that Duncan is the best all time at his position, definitely puts him ahead of Kobe all-time. Kobe was on a shit team when he scored 81 and he couldn't even shoot above his teams fg%, or lead the team in assists for that season. LeBron has been better than Kobe statistically for the past 4 seasons.
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 A player can be old too okay? See Lebron will be better year by year because Kobe is gettin old. If you want it like that, So kobe is better than Jordan because his stats were better than jordan in 03 and scored 55 against MJ. Its like you Comparin 03 MJ to Afro Kobe. If stats is the basis of being the greatest player then when Lebron James retires his stats will be better than MJ so he's the GOAT right? Is that what you are saying?
Zabarteismyname 2 months ago
@Boff122 And oh another one. You are saying that Duncan will be ahead of Kobe because he's the greatest PF of all time then its like Bill Russel(Arguably the greatest center of all time) will be better than Bird or Magic? Because if Bird the second greatest SF to play then Bill Russel is better. Stupid Excuses
Zabarteismyname 2 months ago
@Boff122 you are retarded, simple and plain,
you use the stupidest argument, its crazy
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Can you explain what part of my argument was stupid?
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122
"You said yourself that Duncan is the greatest player of all time at his position" it doesn't matter if some one is the greatest in your position if you are comparing a different position. "Bigs have historically dominated the game, so the fact that Duncan is the best all time at his position, definitely puts him ahead of Kobe all-time" Once again, you are retarded for even mentioning this. It doesn't matter, They play 2 different position, and to even compare them, is dumb.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 1: You're comparing LeBron at 18, to a prime Kobe? LeBron hasn't missed the playoffs since his second season, Kobe couldn't even make the palyoffs while in his prime, in 2005 and couldn't even shoot above, or at his teams fg% and 3pt%, or lead the team in assists, the year he averaged 35ppg . "kobe's fg% is very slightly lower than lebron", LeBron could miss his next 700 shots in a row and still have a better fg% than Kobe, you fucking retard. Continued...
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 Wait a sec, think for a sec, comparing to 2005 kobe and lebron in his 2nd year,
who had a better team? lebron. but other than that he made it every year, and led the lakers to 2 championships. DUDE SHUT THE FUCK up tell me the lakers fg% and 3pt%, please, because a player shooting 45% is not bad at all, or 35% 3 pts fg%
and btw kobe legit had no one to pass to, also, 4.5 ast is not bad at all for a 2 guard.
wait are you shitting me? continued.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@Boff122 wait lebrons fg%- 0.479 3pts fg%-0.329 kobe- fg%-0.454 3pts-0.339
yea 2.5 percent is a huge deal, and kobe is obviously shooting better deep.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 2: Why are you bringing Jordan into this conversation? It's clear that you don't understand what the triangle offense is and the fact that it was never run to it's full potential with Kobe, since he constantly deviated from it. Watch this video to get a good understanding of how Jordan and Kobe each approach an offense /watch?v=kmK1R17QpJU. Continued....
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122
haha because you are saying lebron had better stats than kobe for 4 years, and automatically is a better player than him. lebron has better stats than MJ, Mj is a way better player. please you have no idea what you are talking about. haha you next comment baffles me, wait triangle couldn't runa full potential, but gave the LA 5 championships? are you stupid? btw that video was on the 2011 playoffs, the whole team played bad.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 1: Wow, you Kobetards are hilarious, you just never stop arguing, despite not knowing what the fuck you're talking about. Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs with Odom and Butler, LeBron made it to the Finals with the second best player on his team being Zydrunas Ilgauskas, who averaged 12ppg and under 8rpg. Again, do you think LeBron being able to go 0 for 700 and still have a better fg% than Kobe, isn't a big deal? Continued...
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 First no, its not a big deal. Kobe was in the league 2x times more as lebron,
look, you can make this case about any veteran player that shot alot. Wait! Now you are lying, 2nd best player is zy? you still have larry hughes, and a defensive stopper of varejao. you don't get it do you? it doesn't matter if kobe didn't go to playoffs, he still got us 2 rings, while lebron choked in the finals and against the celtics.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@Boff122 btw, kobe and lmar odom was hurt that season, and missed alot of games.
please check you info before you use your ugly ass mouth
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 3: Duncan has accomplished more than Kobe, he was ROTY, has 2 regular season and 3 Finals MVP's and was the best player on 4 championship teams. Being the best at a particular position, doesn't necessarily make you a better player than someone who isn't the best at their position but since it's tough to compare different positions statistically, you should compare them based on accomplishments and how they match up with players at their position. Continued...
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 Acomplish more than kobe?
tim duncan-4 rings, 3 finals mvp, 8 nba first team defense.
kobe- 5 rings, 2 final mvp, 9 nba first team defense. 2x scoring champion
i don't use all stars, or mvp in the discussion because that's people's voting.
looking at that, i think kobe has the better resume.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 2: How did I prove that LBJ is statistically better than MJ? He's better in 4 areas, very slightly in 2. Jordan was better than LeBron in 5 of the 9 major statistical areas and was better in advanced stats like PER and WS. MJ played a lot longer, LBJ's career numbers are subject to change, so who knows what they'll be in say 10 years. When you compare their peaks in each individual category, the only stat LBJ has on Jordan is a .6 better apg. Continued...
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 Lebron is not in his prime yet. oh by the way, i just proved to you how PER was very defective, and you never use ws as one of the stats, don't kid me, that is retarded. Lebron will still be like this until in his 30's.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@Boff122 "Kobe was on a shit team when he scored 81 and he couldn't even shoot above his teams fg%." WOW! WOW! Lebron when he first came into the league, Lebron had a pretty shitty team. Did he ever drop 81? Actually he couldn't lead them to the playoffs, and he had a better team then kobe. To my next point, kobe's fg% is very slightly lower than lebron, but he led us to the playoffs. I rather have a guy that can get us to win, then a guy that shoots better fg%.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 5: Jordan has the highest PER of all time, but being a kobetard, you probably don't know what that is. LeBron is better than Kobe in not only rpg, apg and bpg, but also in ppg, fg%, spg and advanced stats like PER and WS. LeBron is also number 2 all-time in PER, Kobe is number 17. So statistically, Jordan > LeBron > Kobe, you dumbfuck.
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 shut up.The PER is to a large extent, very misleading. My major issue with the PER is that the formula does not take into account the amount of time a player spends with the ball in their hands. Essentially, with the PER formulas that are currently used, players who dominate the ball are more likely to have higher PER ratings. This becomes especially important when looking at Kobe's PER and comparing them to just about every guard/small forward on this list except Kevin D cont.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 3: Kobe has the ball in his hands all the time. USG% measures how many possessions a player uses, Kobe has led the league in it twice. LeBron has led the league in USG% only once, yet has led the league in PER for the last 4 seasons, Kobe's best year in PER was third. Kobe has also led the league in FG attempts 4 times, yet only has 2 scoring titles, LeBron has never led the league in FG attempts and has 1 scoring title. Continued...
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 Did you read my comments? you don't seem to get it. its not how much possession a player use, its how much a player have the ball. And don't even tell me kobe handles the ball more, because, lebron in Cleveland was basically their offense, and even their pg. usg is not how much a guy handles the ball, its mostly on how much they shoot.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@Boff122 usg
hahaha that's your arguement? that was weak as hell.
it doens't matter at all if lebron won a scoring champion or not, kobe is the better scorer.
don't kid your self.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 4: Duncan is ahead of Kobe on any respectable all-time list. The sports media votes for the reagular season MVP, Finals MVP and the all-defensive teams, and if they knew what they were doing, CP3 would have been the '08 MVP, Gasol would have a Finals MVP and Kobe wouldn't have all of those first team defense selections. Continued....
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 it seems you don't get the point of mvp.its usually a good player on a great team. kobe had a way better season then duncan, but duncan played for a better team, and he received the mvp, like this years derrick rose, he is not even close to the best player in the game, but he impacted his team, got the mvp. btw, kobe lowers the guy he is guarind by -4.2 efficiency rate, better than dw3.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@Boff122 you are a fucking dumbass.
kobe is a way better defensive stopper. Actually you are the only legit persion that compared them. haha cp3 over kobe? get the fuck out of here? stop hating and fuck off. kobe had way better season then him, also led the lakers to the finals. Gasol final mvp? no, Kobe legit LED the lakers against the celtics, only the least game, did his teammate step up. kobe all defense selection,,, hmmm, kobe lowers any player's eff he guards by 4.1 you are right.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@Boff122 When the amount of time that a players spends with the ball in their hands is taken into account, these PER ratings change dramatically. If you compare top 10 players using this formula, Kobe had a moderately higher PER than all of the Perimeter players on this list (including Lebron and Wade). Dude also you just killed your self again. Lebron the 2nd in PER, hmmm, better than kareem,bird, magic,and pippen? you are stupid, don't talk to me.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 5: That video was meant to be an example of how each consistently approached an offense throughout their careers. If you actually watched Kobe on a regular basis (not just highlights) and analyzed his game, you would understand his flaws. It's obvious that Jordan was much more efficient in the triangle and ran it better, look at their numbers. I'm not even going to entertain a Kobe/Jordan discussion, Jordan was on a whole other level.
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122 You are talking nonsense, Jorst was known to destroy their offense, and just play iso. very much like kobe. mj by the way attempted the most fg of a guard yet, if you are doing the triangle"to its potential" their is no way the mj should been shooting that much, since the triangle is a post minded game. i actually watch kobe's and mj games unlike you who's saying, "cp3 should have been mvp over kobe," "gasol final mvp over kobe" shut the fuck up and don't even talk to me,
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATS THEY DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY! THE((( VIDS)) OF WHAT THEY DO DOES! KOBE'S GREATEST GAMES ARCHIVE MAKES JORDAN'S LOOK LIKE CHILDS PLAY! JORDAN 35 PT'S VS ELO IS ((NOT))) BETTER THAN KOBE 30 PT'S VS A ARTEST! LIKE ON MY CHANNEL SITE YOU CAN SEE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN! THOSE MJ HOMERS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SIMPLE FACT! PERIOD!
tiger1649 1 month ago
@CardTrader2012
He also makes 50% of his shots, and has 30 PPG, and 5.3 APG while "destroying" the teams offense. Kobe makes 40%, 25 PPG, and 4.7 APG.
Tell me who's dishing the ball inside and running the offense if MJ has more APG?
xXxFB4LxXx 1 month ago
@xXxFB4LxXx
i love mj, but if you read the previous comments, he was saying how good mj was running the traingle. IF you were running the triangle perfectly, the guards would not be shooting that much. seriously stop butting in if you have nothing smart to say.
CardTrader2012 1 month ago
@CardTrader2012
I thought you were trying to say Kobe ran it better. My b. Kobe is worse at running it imo. He jacks up way too many bad shot selections shots.
Although as he gets older he seems to get smarter shot choice.
xXxFB4LxXx 1 month ago
@xXxFB4LxXx ya, i thought kobe had to drive more and shoot less when he was in his prime.
CardTrader2012 1 month ago
@CardTrader2012 But when he was in his prime that's when him himself was scoring half the other team's total points lol.
AllKobe24 1 month ago
@CardTrader2012
Also MJ found a way to blend his game with the triangle offense. It doesn't matter if he launched half court shots all day. He still won 6 titles, and had the best team in NBA history debatably.
xXxFB4LxXx 1 month ago
@xXxFB4LxXx i will say it again, i love mj, but he NEVER blend his game with the triangle. mj loved iso and love himself be the core of the offense. The triangle was designed for the post, so if you are gonna tell me how good mj was running the triangle, i know you are biased. mj did not win 6 rings with triangle, he got 6 rings because of the perimeter play. btw way boff and me were comparing lbj and kobe.
mj just got in the converse, because boff had nothing to say.
CardTrader2012 1 month ago
@Boff122 "LeBron has been better than Kobe statistically for the past 4 seasons."
Lebron has better stat than MJ. But we all know who's better. btw, kobe had to run a triangle, you don't even know what that is. check out mj, and kobe's stats, You see how each of them has that one season where the ppg game is just incredible? That's the season they didn't play triangle.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@CardTrader2012 Part 4: It's funny how Kobetards like to go around telling real sports fans that they know nothing about basketball, when they are the most ignorant group of fans on the planet. "Lebron has better stat than MJ", the only stats that LeBron has over Jordan career wise, is rpg, apg and just slightly in bpg and 3pt%. Continued....
Boff122 2 months ago
@Boff122
You dumbfuck, you just proved lbj has better stats than mj, that's 4 areas that lebron is better than mj at. That also shows that lbj has a better all around stat than mj.
CardTrader2012 2 months ago
@ryguy2 Shaq retired dip shit... Btw... The GOAT player Michael Jordan said himself Kobe was better than LeBron so stfu and go suck a Miami dick
WassupDL66 2 months ago
Alvin got payed that night, Kobe's finished, give it up, your careers done,you need another shaq,you got rapped by the cippers today
vyceapparel 2 months ago
@vyceapparel preseason? lol
andyhart14 2 months ago
Alvin Gentry look like the black Vince Lombardi.
megaman12100 2 months ago
its Oscar ROBERTSON!
KJamesGemCan 2 months ago
RINGS IS EVERYTHING HUH? WELL EWING / BARKLEY / MALONE / STOCKTON / KEMP / HARDAWAY / JUST KEEP QUITE .. STEVE KERR ROBERT HORRY THE FLOOR IS YOURS ...OSCAR DOES HAVE A RING MORON ONE IT IN MILWUAKEE!! KNOW YOUR STUFF BEFORE YOU START NET BANGING E-THUG!! BAIL ON HIS TEAM? OH LIKE KOBE DID TO THE HORNETS? LIKE THE BULLS DID TO MJ? HE'S A FREE AGENT HE CAN GO WHERE EVER HE WANTED . JUST LIKE YOU WORK WHERE YOU WANT SO DOES HE. BTW OSCAR AVG'D A TRIPLE DOUBLE FOR THE SEASON!!!
AlphaMale505 2 months ago
Uhm who gives a fuck what Oscar Robinson said, men with no rings have no credibility to state who is the best. Does Lebron have 6 rings? Did Lebron average 37.4 ppg and still average 6 assists with 5 rebounds. Is Lebron known as the GOAT? Did Michael bail on his team to join West, Magic, or Bird? You're an idiot. And Pippen never said Lebron is better than MJ. After Lebron choked in the playoffs, Pippen came back out and rephrased what he said because he found out his stupid ass was wrong. BITCH
lmaostrnoob 2 months ago
@lmaostrnoob P.S SUCK MY DICK BITCH
AlphaMale505 2 months ago
@AlphaMale505
Sorry I suck pussy, your sister would know about that.
lmaostrnoob 2 months ago
@lmaostrnoob I DONT HAVE SISTER ME AND MY DAD SHARES YOURS!!
AlphaMale505 2 months ago
gentry <3
EgyptianTubeNiglit 2 months ago
this is why i like gentry
krizm 2 months ago
What happened to short comments like this one....
puroculo 2 months ago
When Kobe gets another couple of rings, this discussion will become irrelevant.
sosdkny 2 months ago
@sosdkny It is going to be hard for Kobe to get a couple of rings with the Heat as the favorites to win it all this year.The Lakers would of had a better chance to win if they could have signed Chris Paul.
jason60152 2 months ago
@jason60152 no because theyre goin after darrius morris and trading some picks/players for dwight. so that way we get the kobe fisher shaq thing back but with morris kobe and howard
ThatOneCoolGuy77 2 months ago
@ThatOneCoolGuy77 They got rid of Lamar Odom.Who did they get for him?Who is Darrius Morris? Shaq isn't coming back he is old as hell.
jason60152 2 months ago
stop writing essays.
lolYsoSerious 2 months ago
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And just a side note, Pippen also finished 3rd in MVP voting that year, won his first All NBA First Team nod, and lead the league in steals. Scottie Pippen alone is enough to make the argument that MJ's supporting cast was better. Youngin's these days who didn't watch the Bulls play dont realize how good Pippen was. Jordan would not be near what he is without Pippen
KobeGotRobbed8 2 months ago
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KobeGotRobbed8 2 months ago
MJ is best player ever. But Kobe having a better supporting cast than MJ is a joke. MJ's team won TWO...I repeat TWO less games after he left in 93 than the year before. Pippen is WAY better than Kobe's 2nd guy Gasol. He is probably top 25 of all time. He lead the team in EVERY statistical category after MJ left and is one of the best perimeter defenders of all time. Not to mention the greatest defensive player all time Rodman and Steve Kerr highest 3P% of all time plus Paxson,Kukoc etc. COME ON
KobeGotRobbed8 2 months ago
michael on the defensive end > kobe on defensive end
michael's drive and determination > kobe's drive and determination
michael's offense >= kobe's offense
NerdyFerdy 2 months ago
"to all mj fans" before u argue with kobe fans,make sure u know all about mj....because u look stupid saying mj is goat but u didnt know all his failure and success....
glendritt 2 months ago
All the comments below me are long paragraphed arguments
UThornzUT 2 months ago
if Gentry think Kobe is better than MJ not sure what he's been watching maybe he missed the 80's and 90's. Kobe w/out dominant bigs won't make it past the 1st round. Jordan w/out dominant bigs won 6 rings.
CHRISTIANABUSED 2 months ago
kobe is great and agreed with top comment, jordan was swept 2 times in his career a lot of people dont know that.. what a dumb fans
awaylabel 3 months ago
LOLS! Kobe is better than MJ?? not even close man.. MJ has the best all around than kobe.... and kobe can even win a ring without a good soring center. like Shaq, gasol and bynum. EWWW
TheJunrex22 3 months ago
@TheJunrex22 MJ would have 0 rings without Pippen and Rodman. Theres no such thing as 1 star winning by himself. Name me one team thats won a championship with 1 good player on it. kthxbai
tony23zz 3 months ago
@tony23zz
Closest is probably 2004 Pistons. There wasn't one clear superstar on that team.
93-94 Rockets only had Olajuwon as a bonafide star.
homerdough 3 months ago
@tony23zz He won 3 rings w/out Rodman. Pippen wasn't exactly Larry Bird on offense and the rest of the Bulls were nothing special.
CHRISTIANABUSED 2 months ago
@CHRISTIANABUSED Pippen is one of the 50 greatest basketball players to ever live. Pippen was one of the best players in the league when MJ had him. You can compare his calibir of playing to Shaq when kobe had shaq. Without Pippen MJ would have 0 rings.
tony23zz 2 months ago
@tony23zz Shaq is a top 15 player all time at worst, Pippen isn't. Having a big man is a huge advantage. Without Shaq the Lakers are a joke in the late 90's and most of the 2000 decade.
CHRISTIANABUSED 2 months ago
@CHRISTIANABUSED MJ had a amazing team.