This clip in itself states that homosexuality is a disorder; If the mothers body has too many male babies and then tries to put out a female, the "switch" may not go far enough and you wind up with a gay baby. Not a choice in itself, but still immoral behavior.
@RepentAmerica454 immoral? If your born with it it's as natural as it comes. If anything it's a sexual oreintation disorder for instance having 11 fingers instead of 10
@RepentAmerica454 Sex is determined by genes. The mother's body cannot change the sex of a developing child, only reduce the masculine features of the child. How does the clip state that homosexuality is a disorder?
My point of view is this. Who fucking cares if it's a choice or not! At the end, everyone has a fucking right to choose how to live their lives. If someon decides to be gay, why should I try to change that person?
Should that be our message to abused & exploited children?.."You don't have a choice but to live with the choice someone else made for you."
When some wreckless elder sexually imposes themself on a child (and children cannot consent to something that has life long implications that the child cannot foresee or comprehend),that child should not be condemned to repeat that event for the rest of their life.
@KingDavid14218 "When some wreckless elder sexually imposes themself on a child"
Would you suggest that a girl who is molested by a man should never have sex with a man as an adult, as she is "condemned to repeat that even for the rest of (her) life?"
Is it right to tell a man never to have sex with a woman because he was molested by a woman as a child?
It's ridiculous. Kids are molested and become heterosexual or homosexual regardless of the gender of the abuser. Abuse is abuse.
Many kids are bullied BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY, not because they are convinced to be gay. Why would a kid choose to identify with the traits which are causing them to be beaten up in the first place?
Had it occured to you that kids who are homosexual/questioning are often targets for child molesters because the abuser pinpoints kids who perhaps exhibit non-gender specific traits?
No one forces kids to call themselves gay...they choose to identify, and have that right.
@rodgierad "Had it occured to you that kids who are homosexual/questioning are often targets for child molesters because the abuser pinpoints kids who perhaps exhibit non-gender specific traits?"
WTF..WOW..Our little banter on utube is over.You win lady.
We'll just leave it up to the predators to intuit the lifelong orientation of preteen boys,and the "iffy" ones they select for their special services wont have their lives altered becuz they're "already gay".
@KingDavid14218 < "The vast majority of adult gay males WERE abused" "Any young and impressionable hetero child can be turned gay" YOU invoke "boy-lovers breeding gays"<WHO "breeds" heteros?
Why is one child molested and hetero while another is gay?
I said that children who are "different" are often targets for abuse. You say abusing questioning gay youth is therefore justified?
You don't care about kids, gay or straight. You just try to justify your own misery following your "choice".
"Telling an abused/bullied child that they r gay & should publically declare their supposed orientation is a cover up."
Come on! Did you really think you may be gay because other kids called you "fag", or did you already have a pretty good idea that you liked boys way before that? You were probably SHOCKED that people had figured it out.
No one "talked you into" being gay. You had been thinking about it for years before it was ever said.
"Many men are unhappy with the construction of their sexuality. It is of questionable ethics to try to convince them that they are 'wrong,' and try to convert them to the therapist's way of thinking. Clients who had been greeted with 'gay-affirmative' statements from therapists often told me that they felt grossly misunderstood, and despaired over the prospect of having nowhere to go with their problem."
ALL ethical & credible therapists share this view and will not impose their own.
I accuse boy-lovers of breeding gays,not gays themselves.
When talking about victims of child abuse,is it the same as accusing the victims of abuse?..Of course not,and to say or suggest otherwise is asinine and malicious.
I make copies of all my post exchanges.Smear tactics are related to malice and slander,and are litigable...CAREFUL SLAM234.
Anyone is free to disagree with me,but no one is free to do a smear number on me,and get away with it.
@SLAM234 "your confusion has you blaming homosexuals"
I have not blamed gays for anything.Never even implied it--just gay-making boy-lovers.
You are [purposely] misquoting and misrepresenting my statements.If you are going to continue to pretend ignorance,then I will not exchange messages with you.
The difference between you and me is primarily one thing:you seem to believe in coincidence,and I do not.
Neither does science when the same event and result happens millions of times over.
Do you suggest that a hetero-making "boy lover" could influence a boy who is attracted to other boys to be attracted to girls? Would you suggest such a thing be prescribed for a child?
This sort of destroys the equally ridiculous suggestion that sexual abuse by males makes females lesbians. Would you suggest that "gay-making girl lovers" create lesbians, or heterosexual women?
You don't seem to discuss female homosexuality? Why not?
IF YOU ATTEMPT TO CENSOR BY ACCUSING ME OF "HATE SPEECH" I WILL SUE FOR SLANDER.
Free speech is a two way street...The above animation makes absurd claims that are without any factual scientific merit and completely ignore the preponderance of evidence that supports environment as causal effect.
Sexual addiction is also a real condition that no one is immune to.FACT.
There is no hate or ignorance in my speech,only truth,and the truth can offend people.
@rodgierad "you don't have the "right" to post on youtube...weirdo."
I wasn't talking about right to post or youtube's right to close my account,I was talking about the false accusation of "hate speech" in order to control speech.That,& slander..Smear tactics & false alligations of hate is slander/defamation & is actionable in our courts.
Until utube admin closes my account,I have the same right to post as any other user..Of course if they do close my account they will have to show cause.
Free speech is a two way street,not a one way street...Get used to it.
And this is not a Britney Spears forum.
Now,that said,I will go somewhere else,I have had my say here,almost,but you cowards have to ask me what I want,then there be just one more final post.And I'm gone.
@SLAM234 Child abuse and the advent of homosexuality down the road are directly linked.
R you denying that you were abused as a child or during your early teens?.When did you "discover" that you were gay?.Who were your first gay sex experiences with,and how old were they,same age or older?.Why did you assume you were gay,was it just because you like it?.1 needs only to be human to "like it".
You want to discuss homosexuality without talking about its true origin--if u cant take the heat...
@SLAM234 No confusion..I never said nor even implied that gays are predators,the vast majority are not.
Predators have a unique sexuality of their own.They are not one thing or another,but are more like omnivores.
BUT the vast majority of adult gay males WERE abused during childhood...You guys can pretend that I don't know what I'm talking about,but you are not being honest.
Ask me what I want,and I will go somewhere else...Hint:I do not want to debate,for me there is nothing to debate.
@SLAM234 Actually according to gay activists and authors,homosexuality is both a sexual and emotional attraction to same gender,and I would just add that it's in that order (sexual then emotional).
Would someone,anyone,answer the question I asked earlier:
Is it ok for men to have sex with boys?.Does it turn boys gay or does it have no influence?
The link between intergenerational,intergenger sexual relations & homosexuality,is it a direct causal link or is it coincidental and incidental?
@SLAM234 Slam,ur premise that homosexuality is born as a natural lifelong orientation is just mistaken.
ANY boy can b turned gay.It happens every day throughout the world..Although it usually takes longer than just a day..Hint:homosexuality is really home-sexuality.
Sumbody got 2 u at a young & impressionable age,& that someone is your true maker,not God or nature..ALL that is required 2 become gay is being human.Being human is all it takes 2 "like it".& the emotional attraction fallows.
@SLAM234 Come on,stop splitting hairs like this..There just isn't any practical difference.
The end result of conditioning and learned behavior [is the end result].
It's the end result that matters.
CONDITIONING IS THE LORD OF THIS WORLD..That's why so many humans eat animals,not because we are born to do it,but because we are bred to do it--they put animal flesh in baby food!
And after being a vegitarian for the past 25 years,so called meat eating is even more twisted to me than kink.
I have heard all kinds of criticisms,corrections and name calling,but no one has simply said,"You are wrong." Or "You lie."
I'm sure one of you guys will do it now,but not before over several months...Only nitpicking and name calling.Token resistance.
I have contradicted and rebuked the whole gay orthodoxy,I have refuted all the propaganda,and all I get is a "well,actually...you're a stupido gordo vaca!"
Or words to that effect.
Ask me what I want,and I'll move on to another forum.
No one has addressed my question...Is it ok for men to have sex with boys?..Does such behavior nurture heterosexuality or undermine it?.Or maybe you feel/hope that it makes no difference.
That is the real issue here that everyone tries to avoid by bringing up every other issue...I know it reminds us of something we want to forget,but this issue is extremely germane to the true origin of homosexuality.
Or do you all think/hope it is coincidental and incidental?
@SLAM234 "Sexual Orientation refers 2 attraction/the gender/genders we r sexually drawn 2."
Ok now I see why u kept bringing up orientation,ones emotional & sexual attraction 2 either or both genders.
I thought u were trying 2 make another point.
I've covered this issue be4..My premise is that attraction is strongly influenced by our early sexual experiences,that it is very formative,becuz it strongly influences who we associate w/ sexual gratification,& our emotional attraction fallows.
@BeatmakerzUp "Sexual Abuse and sexual orientation are 2 completely different things."
The two are directly related...Let's cut to the chase here...Is it ok for men to have sex with boys?..Does such behavior nurture heterosexuality or undermine it?.Or maybe you feel/hope that it makes no difference.
'You sound really confused."
Confused about what?..When I was introduced to c-ck or p-ssy?..
There is no confusion...The only difference between us is that you live in denial and I wont.
And why,because in the short run denial is easier...As is absolving everyone of responsibility by repeating the "born this way" lie.
Saying we are born of clay would be much closer to the truth.
You know,I would rather be thought of as evil than ignorant...But yours is willful ignorance.Much worse than either...You know that I am right,ALL OF YOU.
There is chemical addiction,& then there is psychological addiction.
Neither have regard 4 what existed originally or what was born & cannot be changed..So it is a moot point when dealing with addiction 2 ONLY talk about what WAS,what exists inately, fixed in place.
The premise that homosexuality is born is not only false,it ignores all the evidence 2 the contrary..But there is a great deal of evidence that heterosexuality is born..& we are all witnesses 2 the fact that it can be altered.
We are what we do...regardless of how we started out in life.
The bottom line is,heterosexuals,if not heterosexuality,are not born invincible,but can be altered...If you want to split hairs I will concede that there can be a difference between heterosexuality and heterosexuals,but the two are [normally] one in the same,UNLESS ALTERED.
Then from the age of 9 thru 18 I was a heterosexual boy who was hooked on gay sex behaviorally or psychologically,AFTER I was turned on to it at 9.
@SLAM234 "A person's BEHAVIOR can be conditioned and changed. A persons SEXUAL ORIENTATION cannot."
Then technically,a homosexual is a heterosexual who is [behaving] as a homosexual?.I made such a point be4..A heterosexual boy,young & impressionable,can b altered behaviorally to act gay,& then over time become homosexual.
The alcoholism analogy is valid..1 does not need 2b born an alcoholic 2 become addicted 2 it,nor does a child have 2 b born gay 2 become [sexually addicted] to gay sex.
@SLAM234 "Sexual abuse does not (influence) orientation"
Any normal hetero boy can b turned gay thru conditioning just as any straight boy can b turned on 2 anything else like eating animal flesh,drugs or killing people.Children can be conditioned to do literally anything,& they are thruout the world.
Heterosexuality is not born invincible,it must b nurtured & can b easily undermined..& a boy's early sexual experiences r very formative.
The "born this way" lie is also not acceptable because it lets abusers off the hook.
It lets abusers walk away and absolves them of all responsibilty.
"It gets better" is also a problem because that is how predators talk to their prey while they're on top of them...And for too many gays it does not get better when it comes to quality of life.
@KingDavid14218 <"It gets better" is a problem for YOU because it disproves your theories.
No one truly convinced of their own heterosexuality would waste the time and energy defending their "choice" to be heterosexual.
"Straights & gays are biologically/genetically IDENTICAL." Hey...genius...NO ONE is biologically identical, and even the "sameness" of identical twins disappears while still in the womb. How can you come from a statement like this an expect anyone to take you seriously?
@rodgierad It is your side that claims a genetic predisposition that makes people gay,& they have presented absolutely no evidence that can be replicated..There is no genetic difference that explains gay preference.This is just a fact.
It is your that side keeps saying things very matter of factly that just have not been proven,at all.
Listen,seriously,if gay is ok,then why can't it be a choice?Why do gay advocates act like it's mandatory?
There is plenty of scientific evidence which points very clearly to a genetic/inborn predisposition to homosexuality. No one claims that there is a "gay gene", as you suggest. There is no "green eye gene", yet eye color is clearly genetic. The "gay gene" is your strawman argument against the accepted scientific opinion that homosexuality is not "learned".
Furthermore, what is your "evidence" that homosexuality is "learned"? If you are refering to the debunked suggestion that gay men/lesbians are victims of child sexual abuse, how do you account for gay men/ lesbians who were never abused, and hetero men and woman who were?
And, as you suggest, even if being gay were a choice, which is illogical and idiotic to suggest, how different would that be from being part of a protected religious group? Religion is CLEARLY a "choice".
@rodgierad If I'm stupid then why ask me 4 answers?
" 'If being gay WERE a choice,how different would that b from being part of a [protected] religious group?
Religion is CLEARLY a "choice".' "
NO DIFFERENCE.NONE..This is a MUCH better approach to take than demanding that everyone believe in something that they HONESTLY believe is a myth,whether it's Jesus Christ,UFO's or..Born This Way.
Religion 2 is smthing conditioned @ first then chosen dn the road...If 1 knows they HAVE a choice.
@KingDavid14218 > I never called you stupid...self proclaimed "victim"? Maybe.
Not ONE scientific study ever suggested that there is a genetic link to religion.
Many studies (peer reviewed/accepted by major scientific bodies) of gay twins/mother-son/family history studies have shown a link between genes and homosexuality.
Homosexuality has nothing to do with religion or the lack thereof. Clearly, such a link would make your argument stronger in your own mind, but it's a fail from the start.
@rodgierad And here I thought we had some middle ground agreement.
It would still be a very good idea for everyone for the LGBT Community to stop requiring everyone to agree with the "born this way" line in order to support rights,opportunity and dignity for gays.
Did you say in a previous post that you were a professional accredited therapist or researcher?..Then what's up with the clown outfit?..Also,being a woman,what insight can you have about the male gender,gay or straight?
Straights & gays are biologically/genetically IDENTICAL.
As an epigeneticist you should know that.
& the use of gay twins 4 ur kind of research is a very flawed approach for it excludes environmental influences...The same can be said for gays who have several older brothers because ur biased research excludes the likelihood of same sex incest on the part of older siblings molesting younger siblings,which is a pervasive behavior.
Do not look at me as a hater,but as a life long friend who's been thru it himself.
A life long friend who u were once partners with..The only difference between us is that I ended up choosing to resist my conditioning,& because I wasn't competely estranged from the opposite sex.
At a very critical fork in the road,just before my eighteenth,the right girl was there who was a friend who knew my story,& she became my first girlfriend..I didn't have 2 act like James Bond w/ her,she understood.
If gays are so sure,then why debate the issue in the first place?
They seek & need validation & even official sanction for a behavior that is too consequential to be responsible for on their own.
All gays and former gays know the truth..WE REMEMBER our past & we know the who,what,when and where that this addiction was introduced..& we each know our maker,the one who turned you onto to it.
I did not choose initially,that choice was made 4 me by my seducer,but I chose later another path.
I read on Yahoo answers that there is a part of the brain that detirminds what you are attracted to sexually so you are born attracted to particular things so it;s not a choice though there's nothing stopping you from not accepting your sexuallity
Homosexuals do not want you to know that most of them were sexually abused when young, because many people who were so abused go on to molest others. And homosexuals do not want you to know that they are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals are. Ray Blanchard, et al., "Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000), p. 464
@SLAM234 • research finds a direct correlation between child abuse and homosexuality (Macmillan, 1997; Tomeo et al, 2001; Holmes et al, 1998; Doll et al, 1992; Soukup, 1995; Shrier et al, 1988; Dickson; Finkelhor, 1984),
Science is like a woman.It's never wrong,it just changes its mind.
The so called "wonder drugs" we keep hearing about that cure diseases that don't really exist,and then a few years later after they make billions,we hear about the deadly side effects.
Science and Bunk Science have always coexisted...Whenever I hear some fool use the word science to try to persuade me to do or think something,it's all I can do not to...
This is not "science"...This is pseudo-science that has a politically motivated predetermined outcome that is not repeatable.
It is BUNK science..There are no gay genes.
No one is born gay.It is conditioned,like everything else.
"And what is your name?"
"Christian."
Slick,but dull.
It isn't just Christians who do not endorse homosexual sex. But also Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, liberals, conservatives, blacks, whites AND real scientists do not endorse it either.
@ivasenko48 "You should leave this to those of us who actually have PhDs in (epi)genetics."
Ah,the mythical gay gene,I was waiting for this one..ALL scientific findings are published along with their methodologies. AND MUST BE REPLICATED.
Your personally biased claim never has AND never will be replicated & is unscientific.The moment a geneticist quack presents "the gay gene",that same biology will be found in EVERYONE.
Homosexuality is a psychologically rooted learned behavior.PERIOD.
@KingDavid14218 Perhaps you should research drosophila. Even first year genetics students are introduced to the concept of switching on the "fruitless" gene (fru) and observing the results. This is performed and observed at many universities across the globe every year. Is that repetitive enough for you?
@rodgierad The American Psychological Association (APA) surrendered to politics a long time ago,and political bias is anything but scientific.
The APA is political body that pratices pseudoscience...Who should we believe,them or our lying eyes?..Our eyes don't lie,our experience isn't a lie,what we know isn't a lie and consequences aren't a lie.
Science and pseudoscience have coexisted since man learned how to speak.
You never said who the "real scientists" are. Again....I assume they must be tthe ones who agree with you since they aren't the preeminent leaders in the field?
What sort of licenses do the "real scientists" have?
...and can you enlighten me as to what exactly was so powerful about LGBT persons which terrified scientists so much that they had not choice but to say "I've studied science all my life, but you big, scary gay people are so intimidating that every scientist, including myself, is going to participate in a collective lie in order to make you happy."
@rodgierad LOL You've got to be kidding me..There is no lobby that influences the media,education & politicians like the gay lobby..The NRA would love to have the kind of influence that the LGBT has.
But ask a psychiatrist what he thinks off the record,& he'll talk about learned behavior..The American Psychiatric Association considers it to be a lifestyle choice,& they do not believe anyone is "stuck" being gay if they don't want to be.
& there are many who don't want to be but feel stuck.
"The American Psychiatric Association has historically supported equity, parity, and non-discrimination regarding legal issues affecting mental health. Educating the public about lesbian and gay relationships and supporting efforts to establish same sex legal unions is consistent with the Association's advocacy for other disadvantaged minority groups"
@KingDavid14218 >Reaffirmed by the Board, July 2011-Originally Approved by the Board, December 1992
"Whereas homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities, the APA calls on all international health organizations, psychiatric organizations, and individual psychiatrists in other countries to urge the repeal in their own countries of legislation that penalizes homosexual acts by consenting adults in private."
Any young and impressionable heterosexual child can be turned gay by predatory adults..It happens every day throughout the world.
Wake up people...No boy is born to be sodomised his whole life,what would that make God OR Nature?..
Repeating the "born this way" lie lets everyone off the hook..Predators,bad parents,the culture,politicians,educators and you and me...It is a lie that is just to convenient to accept.
Score 1 for the up right logical thinkers and 0 for the backward witch burning zealots. Its ok witchburning zealots, you can still punish the left handed and continue to wallow in your pseudo science....Oh wait my bad looks like you cant punish the left handed. But I do have 1 question. Why are there so many societies and assosciations for shrinks?
You want to know if this is from birth or choice ? I got mine from birth - YES I REMEMBER CLEARNY MAKING UP WITH A BOY FROM MY GROUP IN KINDERGARDEN WHEN I WAS AROUND 5 ... After i grew up i had some girlfriends and i wondered why i didnt like being with em. I still think its BOTH - some turn gay cuz its cool (but they actually arent ) , and some - like me - are born that way. Those who are born that way are not girly and are usually hiding it, and u can never tell by seing them on the street
if being gay is ok,then why can't it be a choice like everything else?..i was actively bisexual from the age of 9 thru 18...[at 9,for around 3 months, i was repeatedly molested/introduced to gay sex by a 19yo dude living nextdoor]...when my peers asked me why i was sometimes gay,i just said,because i like it or because some dudes were attractive that way...it never occurred to me to lie and say i was born that way,everyone is a natural born bisexual,it only depends on circumstances and attitude.
"Honestly, if you think homosexuality is a choice, then try to sit there and find someone of the same gender romantically attractive."
too easy,ask straights in the military or prison or unisexual schools...or the typical adolescent boy or ANY woman.
being gay is not a prerequisite for same sex attraction,the only thing required is being human..being human is all that is required to enjoy sexual intimacy with the same sex.
what really offends is the intellectual dishonesty among gays.
pc pseudoscience...conditioning,it's all about conditioning.
conditioning is the lord of this world, which is why over 90% of the world's population eats meat...and christian beliefs have no relevance on this subject,only the preponderance of anecdotal facts or certainties...homosexuality is the result of child abuse,it is an addictive compulsive behavior introduced after birth,much like drug addiction..homosexuality is made,not born..saying otherwise lets child abusers off the hook.
@Ranokian abuse is the common explanation,but simple seduction by an elder of same gender will do it too or maybe you just turned yourself onto it with another boy the same age...but no one has to be born gay,only human,to enjoy sexual intimacy with same sex...and homosexuality tends to be more addictive than heterosexuality...i don't hate gays at all,what i do hate is kids in school being labeled gay by educators based on their current orientation or a phase...labels are very self-fulfilling.
2:27 Sooo TRUE ! ,,, I have 2 brothers and 3 sisters older than me (im the youngest in my family) and i'm gay. Also my friend he has 2 brothers and 1 sister older than him and he is the youngest and he is gay
This is why I have no religion because it wants everyone to be the same if you are a tad differnet they hunt you down and gut you like a fish. They used to belive being left handed was evil now how rediculous is that oh and they used to belive that masterbation was wrong too.
See this is why I hate religion it makes everyone hate each other for their differences. Think about it if we had no religion then the world would get along more. Look at history most of the wars and evil things that happened where caused by religion.
@trevanismith See? Religion is spread by a fear of an omnipotent and all powerful being. This is why people are still Christian. People are too afraid of being wrong and rather have a chance of "going to heaven" by believeing this all powerful "God" than believeing that you just decompose in the ground. Christians think that they should might as well believe in thier beliefs because they think that they have both chances of going to "heaven" and just dying and becoming nothing.
Hey; I was a straight kid up to 24 but had issues with porn and started hiring prosts, then i tried transv, and that became a strong addiction, i did think those were woman, and since they were more fiery sexually it was a strong hook, even to the point of almost killing myself rush driving there once. at a point i did try one man. I did not like that, but kept on hiring tr. There was some sort of deceit in my mind that those were woman...well now I am straight again, not addicted to anything
Ok i agree that homosexuality isnt a choice because its a mental illness like schizophrenia that cn be passed on from generation to generation.We have eyes & mind to see& examine what we are - a boy or girl, right?So, why their mind is rejecting the fact that they are guys NOT girls?Most serial killers are homosexuals too.Homosexuality is a mental illness that must be cured.are there really gay animals?i disagree with that! did you ever see a male dog f*c*kin another male dog in the arse?MORONS!
@TheOmniscientEyes I'm not mentally ill and neither is my girlfriend. What evidence is there that Most serial killers are homosexuals. There are gay animals, its documented. Here are the dogs: youtube.com/watch?v=ExItc_EggqI&feature=related. I wouldn't look if I where you, I myself would never have looked at this if it wasn't for the fact that I wanted to prove you wrong.
@Van0Joy Yes most serial killer are homosexuals and thats a fact! you wont believe me? why dont you try to do a research to know the truth? I am firm to my belief that HOMOSEXUALITY is a MENTAL ILLNESS.Noone can ever change my mind.
@TheOmniscientEyes hey, I offered proof to you why do I need to search for myself? well I did and most sites said the number of serial killers is so small no coloration can be made and there appears to be non. If you think Homosexuality is an illness you wouldn't need to link it to something horrific to make it bad, if you believe its an illness you should be caring to those you believe are sick not yelling at them for something they can't control. I'm not trying to change your mind.
ITS A FUCKING CHOICE. YOU PEPOLE CHOSE TO BE GAY, YOU DIDNT COME OUT A VAGG. THINKING I LIKE SAME PEPOLE AS ME YOU CHOSE TO BE GAY ITS NOT IN YOUR DNA.
GOD SAID IN THE BIBLE IN SO MANY WORDS A MANS PENIS MAY NOT ENTER ANY HOLE BUT A VAGAINA. NO FAKE VAGS NO ASSHOLES AND NO MOUTHS. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP THINKING YOU WHERE BORN A HOMO
LOL, obvious troll. You call yourself a Christian, but you are obviously not Christ-like. It's people like you who give Christians a bad name. BTW, is your shift key broken?
Is it just me, or is this cartoon focused merely on plecating andnot ging into detail? The twin study statement is off, it's only 52 percent of the time that the twin is gay, which in itself messes with most of the statements since identical twins have identical genetic make up and develop at the same time. The 'gay animal' bit often takes out the actual social tendancies of the animal in question, which show that issolated cases of pure 'homosexuality' are not common, more often only...
can prove bisexuality at most (An example being the claimed 'homosexuality' of rams who form 'gay' groups when they lose the position of the 'alpha' rams who get to mate with the female, and will go strait from that group to mating with females should they get that chance come the next mating season.) These tyoes of cases also show us that even with animals it seems more of a choice then homosexual activists let on. The further fact that some people want to and have changed....
also brings up the issue of the right to self determination, tell me, where does it say that a group of people get to label you what they want so they can get some political benefit? This video seems more about trying to placate the ignorant with statements without follow up, treating people like idiotic homophobes without any actual detail into the 'facts' they put forward, depending to the person not asking questions and taking it at face value.
I am here to tell the 15,000 people that homosexuality is NOT a choice. I was 7 years old and I remember seeing a guy that I thought was very attractive and then it just got more and more toward men .... I was 7 years old and I didn't even know what gay meant ... Homosexually is NOT a choice, you are born that way.
@Jesus00000000000 "Fuck all gays"? I hope you're not being serious. I agree with @ShippolsCute18 - "Honestly, if you think homosexuality is a choice, then try to sit there and find someone of the same gender romantically attractive."
I personally wouldn't say it was genetic, a decision I recently made, but really it's similar to heterosexuality.
No brain scans show 'this sector makes this person attracted to blondes' etc. Even if identical twins weren't both gay often, they nearly always have different personalities, and so different people to be attracted to. It's still love, regardless of gender.
Everyone has different tastes. It it too much to believe these preferences extend outside gender.
@ShippoIsCute18 Your not born To like any gender Your born to grow and be nurtured by your mom and dad And then when your at the age you Develop Sperm I just think thats like saying Its not are choice to Eat meat and not eat meat Yea you become a vegetarian Man up! If you can come out the closet then you can Take responsibility for The pain,Depression,Pain,Sadness Weak And we were made to create life not to stick are dicks up another mans Shit hole or use a fake Peis to make love
@malik51398 Because you are obviously so educated in the field of biology. Don't give me this bullshit. Why would someone want to have a romantic relationship with someone of the same gender even though you are hetero? Why would you want people like yourself to just shit on you? My little brother has acted this way since he was small. He liked Barbies and nail polish since he was 2. He told us that he liked boys more than girls. You have no scientific evidence to support your statement.
@Palafico3 Thats the fault of your parents Any good parent Would not let there child Play with barbies Use nail polish Wear panties (Boy) And love dont got shit to do with science Love is a magical and holy thing Nto a fucking experiment And Why would i want to be attracted to the same gender thats wrong and I don't approve
@malik51398 Love in fact is just a chemical reaction. We give it meaning by choice. My parents do not do that to him because they love him for who he is, not what they want him to be. It's like if you like vanilla ice cream because you just have that taste, when everyone else likes chocolate. You don't choose your sexual orientation. It is built into you. Why don't you try getting an erection for a person of the same sex. You can't can you? Because you BIOLOGICALLY can't. Science has proven it.
@malik51398 Well then your either bi or you are lying. If you are bi, then thats Ok. Then you aren't lying to yourself for the rest of your life, because you can choose either way. That's the only time you have a choice in this matter. Gay guys can't get boners for women, only men.
@malik51398 Then you never had a sexual attraction to him. Science agrees with it, doctors agree with it, how could your belief topple actual proof? You obviously don't know how gays are attracted to each other. Gays become gays do to imbalances of testosterone while in the womb. This imbalance causes enough absorption for the fetus to develop a male body, but not enough to develop a male brain, and so instead it remains a default female mind. They are females mentally but males physically.
3- He feel and react different but that dosent mean he will go to the same sex even when he dosent understand why. He see it in the home but outside there is more than two persons which he sees.. The way everyone around us and not only a number of persons but a high number of humans behave, talk, walk, live has a effect on us more than we can understand and it will take its time and to that add, Tv, internet, Media..
We can not just look at humans but other living being too, we can learn.
2-him by humans in a society who share love for the same sex., then you will grow up in that way: am i right?
Let me explaine.. This is diffrent from that when not surrondet by only that behave.. so there is no problem for a child to grow up with Homosexual parents. Because the Nurture part outside his home is different and much bigger than that in the home-.
1 -this video made me think in a diffrent way because of a Nature Vs Nurture clip I saw earlier. Let us say the genes, hormons & birthorder are given to the child by nature according to this video, then the chances for evolving love for the same sex is bigger, at the same time not..
All humans dont work in the same way, Research in all forms and ways tells us about a high procent of the population and not all.. But what if u dont get all those three,u get Nurture part which surronds -
NO ONE chooses their sexuality and EVERYBODY knows it. Saying it's a choice is an excuse homophobes use. If they admitted that they KNOW it isn't, then they have no reason to hate except bigotry....and they all deny that!
keep that in mind. Heterosexuals can talk and talk and they will go nowhere stating that homosexualty is a choice. If everybody would be in the shoes of a homoseuxal for a day, the way people look at us would be completely different. You don't know how it feels like, you don't know anything about this since you can't feel it you can't even comment. There will always be a discussion arised by this controversial topic..
Question: How many male homophobes out there will "skip" the token girl/girl scene in EVERY straight porn film because it's ''immoral and disgusting?"
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you aren't born anything...you become it. You aren't born stupid, you become educated. I became hetersexual, i didn't chose it, it chose me. SAME THING TAHT GOES FOR GAYS AND BISEXUALS...
Simple experiment to show that homosexuality is not a choice:
1) Find someone you are not attracted to.
2) Choose to be attracted to that person.
You will undoubtedly fail. I certainly can't choose who I'm attracted to no matter how hard I try.
aMidnightBreeze 1 month ago
i am a hetero and i crave sexy males who change into ladies TV , TS and TG also ladies of all ages age 12 to early 50s .
can i slaughter christians , jews and muslims yet please ?
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GAYS SUCK LIKE AIDS!!!
DeepSetEyesDance 3 months ago
where did this come from??????
SomalianBlonde 3 months ago
@SomalianBlonde it was in a documentary. :)
AnakarayaRavenclaw 3 months ago
@AnakarayaRavenclaw what was it called?
SomalianBlonde 3 months ago
This clip in itself states that homosexuality is a disorder; If the mothers body has too many male babies and then tries to put out a female, the "switch" may not go far enough and you wind up with a gay baby. Not a choice in itself, but still immoral behavior.
RepentAmerica454 4 months ago
@RepentAmerica454 immoral? If your born with it it's as natural as it comes. If anything it's a sexual oreintation disorder for instance having 11 fingers instead of 10
SomalianBlonde 3 months ago
@RepentAmerica454 Sex is determined by genes. The mother's body cannot change the sex of a developing child, only reduce the masculine features of the child. How does the clip state that homosexuality is a disorder?
aMidnightBreeze 1 month ago
For perspective sake google "The Myth of Animal Homosexuality" before you drink this kool aid.
RepentAmerica454 4 months ago
When did Darth Vader become a fundamentalist Christian?
TheWriter0 4 months ago
My work is done in this particular forum.
Thank you all for your participation.
Goodbye.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
My point of view is this. Who fucking cares if it's a choice or not! At the end, everyone has a fucking right to choose how to live their lives. If someon decides to be gay, why should I try to change that person?
1REVINT 5 months ago
I favor choice,consider the alternative.
"NO CHOICE".
Should that be our message to abused & exploited children?.."You don't have a choice but to live with the choice someone else made for you."
When some wreckless elder sexually imposes themself on a child (and children cannot consent to something that has life long implications that the child cannot foresee or comprehend),that child should not be condemned to repeat that event for the rest of their life.
They need a choice.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218 "When some wreckless elder sexually imposes themself on a child"
Would you suggest that a girl who is molested by a man should never have sex with a man as an adult, as she is "condemned to repeat that even for the rest of (her) life?"
Is it right to tell a man never to have sex with a woman because he was molested by a woman as a child?
It's ridiculous. Kids are molested and become heterosexual or homosexual regardless of the gender of the abuser. Abuse is abuse.
rodgierad 5 months ago
BUT I am NOT interested in converting gay men,but protecting abused youth from the projections,wish fulfillments & the agendas of others.
I WANT abused & exploited children 2 choose 4 THEMSELVES who & what they are & how 2 liv their lives.
With yung impressionable minds,labels r very self-fulfilling,& I do not want children who have been led astray 2b labeled "gay" by anyone.
Telling an abused/bullied child that they r gay & should publically declare their supposed orientation is a cover up.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
Many kids are bullied BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY, not because they are convinced to be gay. Why would a kid choose to identify with the traits which are causing them to be beaten up in the first place?
Had it occured to you that kids who are homosexual/questioning are often targets for child molesters because the abuser pinpoints kids who perhaps exhibit non-gender specific traits?
No one forces kids to call themselves gay...they choose to identify, and have that right.
rodgierad 5 months ago
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@rodgierad "Had it occured to you that kids who are homosexual/questioning are often targets for child molesters because the abuser pinpoints kids who perhaps exhibit non-gender specific traits?"
WTF..WOW..Our little banter on utube is over.You win lady.
We'll just leave it up to the predators to intuit the lifelong orientation of preteen boys,and the "iffy" ones they select for their special services wont have their lives altered becuz they're "already gay".
You betcha.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218 < "The vast majority of adult gay males WERE abused" "Any young and impressionable hetero child can be turned gay" YOU invoke "boy-lovers breeding gays"<WHO "breeds" heteros?
Why is one child molested and hetero while another is gay?
I said that children who are "different" are often targets for abuse. You say abusing questioning gay youth is therefore justified?
You don't care about kids, gay or straight. You just try to justify your own misery following your "choice".
rodgierad 4 months ago
@KingDavid14218
"Telling an abused/bullied child that they r gay & should publically declare their supposed orientation is a cover up."
Come on! Did you really think you may be gay because other kids called you "fag", or did you already have a pretty good idea that you liked boys way before that? You were probably SHOCKED that people had figured it out.
No one "talked you into" being gay. You had been thinking about it for years before it was ever said.
rodgierad 4 months ago
"Many men are unhappy with the construction of their sexuality. It is of questionable ethics to try to convince them that they are 'wrong,' and try to convert them to the therapist's way of thinking. Clients who had been greeted with 'gay-affirmative' statements from therapists often told me that they felt grossly misunderstood, and despaired over the prospect of having nowhere to go with their problem."
ALL ethical & credible therapists share this view and will not impose their own.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
"Ego-dystonic sexual orientation" is a totally separate issue in the world of Psychiatry/Psychology.
Your "ethical and credible" therapists apparently make up the very, very small minority. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
rodgierad 5 months ago
I accuse boy-lovers of breeding gays,not gays themselves.
When talking about victims of child abuse,is it the same as accusing the victims of abuse?..Of course not,and to say or suggest otherwise is asinine and malicious.
I make copies of all my post exchanges.Smear tactics are related to malice and slander,and are litigable...CAREFUL SLAM234.
Anyone is free to disagree with me,but no one is free to do a smear number on me,and get away with it.
JUST ASK ME WHAT I WANT,and I'll go.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@SLAM234 "your confusion has you blaming homosexuals"
I have not blamed gays for anything.Never even implied it--just gay-making boy-lovers.
You are [purposely] misquoting and misrepresenting my statements.If you are going to continue to pretend ignorance,then I will not exchange messages with you.
The difference between you and me is primarily one thing:you seem to believe in coincidence,and I do not.
Neither does science when the same event and result happens millions of times over.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
Do you suggest that a hetero-making "boy lover" could influence a boy who is attracted to other boys to be attracted to girls? Would you suggest such a thing be prescribed for a child?
This sort of destroys the equally ridiculous suggestion that sexual abuse by males makes females lesbians. Would you suggest that "gay-making girl lovers" create lesbians, or heterosexual women?
You don't seem to discuss female homosexuality? Why not?
rodgierad 5 months ago
ATTENTION YOUTUBE ADMINISTRATORS.
IF YOU ATTEMPT TO CENSOR BY ACCUSING ME OF "HATE SPEECH" I WILL SUE FOR SLANDER.
Free speech is a two way street...The above animation makes absurd claims that are without any factual scientific merit and completely ignore the preponderance of evidence that supports environment as causal effect.
Sexual addiction is also a real condition that no one is immune to.FACT.
There is no hate or ignorance in my speech,only truth,and the truth can offend people.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
"I will sue for slander"
lol...you don't have the "right" to post on youtube...weirdo.
rodgierad 5 months ago
@rodgierad "you don't have the "right" to post on youtube...weirdo."
I wasn't talking about right to post or youtube's right to close my account,I was talking about the false accusation of "hate speech" in order to control speech.That,& slander..Smear tactics & false alligations of hate is slander/defamation & is actionable in our courts.
Until utube admin closes my account,I have the same right to post as any other user..Of course if they do close my account they will have to show cause.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
Free speech is a two way street,not a one way street...Get used to it.
And this is not a Britney Spears forum.
Now,that said,I will go somewhere else,I have had my say here,almost,but you cowards have to ask me what I want,then there be just one more final post.And I'm gone.
Ask me what I want.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@SLAM234 Child abuse and the advent of homosexuality down the road are directly linked.
R you denying that you were abused as a child or during your early teens?.When did you "discover" that you were gay?.Who were your first gay sex experiences with,and how old were they,same age or older?.Why did you assume you were gay,was it just because you like it?.1 needs only to be human to "like it".
You want to discuss homosexuality without talking about its true origin--if u cant take the heat...
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@SLAM234 No confusion..I never said nor even implied that gays are predators,the vast majority are not.
Predators have a unique sexuality of their own.They are not one thing or another,but are more like omnivores.
BUT the vast majority of adult gay males WERE abused during childhood...You guys can pretend that I don't know what I'm talking about,but you are not being honest.
Ask me what I want,and I will go somewhere else...Hint:I do not want to debate,for me there is nothing to debate.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
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@KingDavid14218
"BUT the vast majority of adult gay males WERE abused during childhood"
Where did you get this load of crap?
rodgierad 5 months ago
@SLAM234 Actually according to gay activists and authors,homosexuality is both a sexual and emotional attraction to same gender,and I would just add that it's in that order (sexual then emotional).
Would someone,anyone,answer the question I asked earlier:
Is it ok for men to have sex with boys?.Does it turn boys gay or does it have no influence?
The link between intergenerational,intergenger sexual relations & homosexuality,is it a direct causal link or is it coincidental and incidental?
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
The truth is not bigotry,even when people are offended by it...And the truth about important issues has always offended someone.
There is no hate in my speech...I have only compassion for gays,especially the young who have been led astray.
Keyword search: slander.
Keyword search: false accusation of hate speech and censorship.
Keyword search: the tyranny of political correctness...Which is why the TSA treats all citizens like suspects with no regard for probable cause.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@SLAM234 Slam,ur premise that homosexuality is born as a natural lifelong orientation is just mistaken.
ANY boy can b turned gay.It happens every day throughout the world..Although it usually takes longer than just a day..Hint:homosexuality is really home-sexuality.
Sumbody got 2 u at a young & impressionable age,& that someone is your true maker,not God or nature..ALL that is required 2 become gay is being human.Being human is all it takes 2 "like it".& the emotional attraction fallows.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
"ANY boy can b turned gay"
Really? So then every boy who is molested will become gay, and every boy who is not will be heterosexual?
How do you reconcile this? What about gay persons who are never molested and "come out" later in life?
What about lesbians?
rodgierad 5 months ago
@SLAM234 Come on,stop splitting hairs like this..There just isn't any practical difference.
The end result of conditioning and learned behavior [is the end result].
It's the end result that matters.
CONDITIONING IS THE LORD OF THIS WORLD..That's why so many humans eat animals,not because we are born to do it,but because we are bred to do it--they put animal flesh in baby food!
And after being a vegitarian for the past 25 years,so called meat eating is even more twisted to me than kink.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
Just ask me what I want.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
I have heard all kinds of criticisms,corrections and name calling,but no one has simply said,"You are wrong." Or "You lie."
I'm sure one of you guys will do it now,but not before over several months...Only nitpicking and name calling.Token resistance.
I have contradicted and rebuked the whole gay orthodoxy,I have refuted all the propaganda,and all I get is a "well,actually...you're a stupido gordo vaca!"
Or words to that effect.
Ask me what I want,and I'll move on to another forum.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
New word:CAUSALITY.
No one has addressed my question...Is it ok for men to have sex with boys?..Does such behavior nurture heterosexuality or undermine it?.Or maybe you feel/hope that it makes no difference.
That is the real issue here that everyone tries to avoid by bringing up every other issue...I know it reminds us of something we want to forget,but this issue is extremely germane to the true origin of homosexuality.
Or do you all think/hope it is coincidental and incidental?
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@SLAM234 "Sexual Orientation refers 2 attraction/the gender/genders we r sexually drawn 2."
Ok now I see why u kept bringing up orientation,ones emotional & sexual attraction 2 either or both genders.
I thought u were trying 2 make another point.
I've covered this issue be4..My premise is that attraction is strongly influenced by our early sexual experiences,that it is very formative,becuz it strongly influences who we associate w/ sexual gratification,& our emotional attraction fallows.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
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@BeatmakerzUp "Sexual Abuse and sexual orientation are 2 completely different things."
The two are directly related...Let's cut to the chase here...Is it ok for men to have sex with boys?..Does such behavior nurture heterosexuality or undermine it?.Or maybe you feel/hope that it makes no difference.
'You sound really confused."
Confused about what?..When I was introduced to c-ck or p-ssy?..
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
There is no confusion...The only difference between us is that you live in denial and I wont.
And why,because in the short run denial is easier...As is absolving everyone of responsibility by repeating the "born this way" lie.
Saying we are born of clay would be much closer to the truth.
You know,I would rather be thought of as evil than ignorant...But yours is willful ignorance.Much worse than either...You know that I am right,ALL OF YOU.
So stop debating me and ask me what I want.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
There is chemical addiction,& then there is psychological addiction.
Neither have regard 4 what existed originally or what was born & cannot be changed..So it is a moot point when dealing with addiction 2 ONLY talk about what WAS,what exists inately, fixed in place.
The premise that homosexuality is born is not only false,it ignores all the evidence 2 the contrary..But there is a great deal of evidence that heterosexuality is born..& we are all witnesses 2 the fact that it can be altered.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
We are what we do...regardless of how we started out in life.
The bottom line is,heterosexuals,if not heterosexuality,are not born invincible,but can be altered...If you want to split hairs I will concede that there can be a difference between heterosexuality and heterosexuals,but the two are [normally] one in the same,UNLESS ALTERED.
Then from the age of 9 thru 18 I was a heterosexual boy who was hooked on gay sex behaviorally or psychologically,AFTER I was turned on to it at 9.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@SLAM234 "A person's BEHAVIOR can be conditioned and changed. A persons SEXUAL ORIENTATION cannot."
Then technically,a homosexual is a heterosexual who is [behaving] as a homosexual?.I made such a point be4..A heterosexual boy,young & impressionable,can b altered behaviorally to act gay,& then over time become homosexual.
The alcoholism analogy is valid..1 does not need 2b born an alcoholic 2 become addicted 2 it,nor does a child have 2 b born gay 2 become [sexually addicted] to gay sex.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@SLAM234 "Sexual abuse does not (influence) orientation"
Any normal hetero boy can b turned gay thru conditioning just as any straight boy can b turned on 2 anything else like eating animal flesh,drugs or killing people.Children can be conditioned to do literally anything,& they are thruout the world.
Heterosexuality is not born invincible,it must b nurtured & can b easily undermined..& a boy's early sexual experiences r very formative.
Homosexuality is no more born than alcoholism.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
The "born this way" lie is also not acceptable because it lets abusers off the hook.
It lets abusers walk away and absolves them of all responsibilty.
"It gets better" is also a problem because that is how predators talk to their prey while they're on top of them...And for too many gays it does not get better when it comes to quality of life.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218 <"It gets better" is a problem for YOU because it disproves your theories.
No one truly convinced of their own heterosexuality would waste the time and energy defending their "choice" to be heterosexual.
"Straights & gays are biologically/genetically IDENTICAL." Hey...genius...NO ONE is biologically identical, and even the "sameness" of identical twins disappears while still in the womb. How can you come from a statement like this an expect anyone to take you seriously?
rodgierad 5 months ago
@rodgierad It is your side that claims a genetic predisposition that makes people gay,& they have presented absolutely no evidence that can be replicated..There is no genetic difference that explains gay preference.This is just a fact.
It is your that side keeps saying things very matter of factly that just have not been proven,at all.
Listen,seriously,if gay is ok,then why can't it be a choice?Why do gay advocates act like it's mandatory?
Ask me what I want--it isn't to debate.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218 >"my side"?
There is plenty of scientific evidence which points very clearly to a genetic/inborn predisposition to homosexuality. No one claims that there is a "gay gene", as you suggest. There is no "green eye gene", yet eye color is clearly genetic. The "gay gene" is your strawman argument against the accepted scientific opinion that homosexuality is not "learned".
rodgierad 5 months ago
@rodgierad I think the implications here are a little more significant than eye color.
Genetics does not control what we feel,think,speak and do...We have free will,we are not biological robots.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
Furthermore, what is your "evidence" that homosexuality is "learned"? If you are refering to the debunked suggestion that gay men/lesbians are victims of child sexual abuse, how do you account for gay men/ lesbians who were never abused, and hetero men and woman who were?
And, as you suggest, even if being gay were a choice, which is illogical and idiotic to suggest, how different would that be from being part of a protected religious group? Religion is CLEARLY a "choice".
rodgierad 5 months ago
@rodgierad If I'm stupid then why ask me 4 answers?
" 'If being gay WERE a choice,how different would that b from being part of a [protected] religious group?
Religion is CLEARLY a "choice".' "
NO DIFFERENCE.NONE..This is a MUCH better approach to take than demanding that everyone believe in something that they HONESTLY believe is a myth,whether it's Jesus Christ,UFO's or..Born This Way.
Religion 2 is smthing conditioned @ first then chosen dn the road...If 1 knows they HAVE a choice.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218 > I never called you stupid...self proclaimed "victim"? Maybe.
Not ONE scientific study ever suggested that there is a genetic link to religion.
Many studies (peer reviewed/accepted by major scientific bodies) of gay twins/mother-son/family history studies have shown a link between genes and homosexuality.
Homosexuality has nothing to do with religion or the lack thereof. Clearly, such a link would make your argument stronger in your own mind, but it's a fail from the start.
rodgierad 5 months ago
@rodgierad And here I thought we had some middle ground agreement.
It would still be a very good idea for everyone for the LGBT Community to stop requiring everyone to agree with the "born this way" line in order to support rights,opportunity and dignity for gays.
Did you say in a previous post that you were a professional accredited therapist or researcher?..Then what's up with the clown outfit?..Also,being a woman,what insight can you have about the male gender,gay or straight?
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
"...stop requiring everyone to agree with the "born this way" line"
WHO is doing that? If you don't agree/believe, then good for you.
The woman in the clown outfit is none other than the ENORMOUSLY talented, HUGELY successful Maggie Gallagher.
...and have you now reduced the discussion to "I'm a man, and you don't understand men"?
I know a thing or two about the male gender, gay and straight.
rodgierad 5 months ago
Back to ivasenko48.
Straights & gays are biologically/genetically IDENTICAL.
As an epigeneticist you should know that.
& the use of gay twins 4 ur kind of research is a very flawed approach for it excludes environmental influences...The same can be said for gays who have several older brothers because ur biased research excludes the likelihood of same sex incest on the part of older siblings molesting younger siblings,which is a pervasive behavior.
ENVIRONMENT AND CONDITIONING IS KING.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
Do not look at me as a hater,but as a life long friend who's been thru it himself.
A life long friend who u were once partners with..The only difference between us is that I ended up choosing to resist my conditioning,& because I wasn't competely estranged from the opposite sex.
At a very critical fork in the road,just before my eighteenth,the right girl was there who was a friend who knew my story,& she became my first girlfriend..I didn't have 2 act like James Bond w/ her,she understood.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
If gays are so sure,then why debate the issue in the first place?
They seek & need validation & even official sanction for a behavior that is too consequential to be responsible for on their own.
All gays and former gays know the truth..WE REMEMBER our past & we know the who,what,when and where that this addiction was introduced..& we each know our maker,the one who turned you onto to it.
I did not choose initially,that choice was made 4 me by my seducer,but I chose later another path.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
I read on Yahoo answers that there is a part of the brain that detirminds what you are attracted to sexually so you are born attracted to particular things so it;s not a choice though there's nothing stopping you from not accepting your sexuallity
KingofWWESpoilers 6 months ago
It just said its a choice.
murakislaveholder 7 months ago
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Homosexuals do not want you to know that most of them were sexually abused when young, because many people who were so abused go on to molest others. And homosexuals do not want you to know that they are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals are. Ray Blanchard, et al., "Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000), p. 464
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@SLAM234 • research finds a direct correlation between child abuse and homosexuality (Macmillan, 1997; Tomeo et al, 2001; Holmes et al, 1998; Doll et al, 1992; Soukup, 1995; Shrier et al, 1988; Dickson; Finkelhor, 1984),
bayonetsluts 7 months ago
"Let's see what the [latest] science has to say."
Science is like a woman.It's never wrong,it just changes its mind.
The so called "wonder drugs" we keep hearing about that cure diseases that don't really exist,and then a few years later after they make billions,we hear about the deadly side effects.
Science and Bunk Science have always coexisted...Whenever I hear some fool use the word science to try to persuade me to do or think something,it's all I can do not to...
..Bitch pleez!
KingDavid14218 7 months ago
This is not "science"...This is pseudo-science that has a politically motivated predetermined outcome that is not repeatable.
It is BUNK science..There are no gay genes.
No one is born gay.It is conditioned,like everything else.
"And what is your name?"
"Christian."
Slick,but dull.
It isn't just Christians who do not endorse homosexual sex. But also Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, liberals, conservatives, blacks, whites AND real scientists do not endorse it either.
KingDavid14218 7 months ago
@KingDavid14218 You should leave this to those of us who actually have PhDs in (epi)genetics.
ivasenko48 5 months ago
@ivasenko48 "You should leave this to those of us who actually have PhDs in (epi)genetics."
Ah,the mythical gay gene,I was waiting for this one..ALL scientific findings are published along with their methodologies. AND MUST BE REPLICATED.
Your personally biased claim never has AND never will be replicated & is unscientific.The moment a geneticist quack presents "the gay gene",that same biology will be found in EVERYONE.
Homosexuality is a psychologically rooted learned behavior.PERIOD.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218 Perhaps you should research drosophila. Even first year genetics students are introduced to the concept of switching on the "fruitless" gene (fru) and observing the results. This is performed and observed at many universities across the globe every year. Is that repetitive enough for you?
ivasenko48 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218<" ...AND real scientists do not endorse it either..."
By "real" do you mean the few who would agree with your argument?
100% of the policy board at the APA ( a REAL scientific body) support same-sex marriage.< doesn't sound like comdemnation by any means...
And which religious/political/racial/scientific "endorses sex" between heterosexuals as opposed to LGBTs? Does sex really need an endorsement?
rodgierad 5 months ago
@rodgierad The American Psychological Association (APA) surrendered to politics a long time ago,and political bias is anything but scientific.
The APA is political body that pratices pseudoscience...Who should we believe,them or our lying eyes?..Our eyes don't lie,our experience isn't a lie,what we know isn't a lie and consequences aren't a lie.
Science and pseudoscience have coexisted since man learned how to speak.
Science is never wrong,it just changes its mind.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
You never said who the "real scientists" are. Again....I assume they must be tthe ones who agree with you since they aren't the preeminent leaders in the field?
What sort of licenses do the "real scientists" have?
rodgierad 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218
...and can you enlighten me as to what exactly was so powerful about LGBT persons which terrified scientists so much that they had not choice but to say "I've studied science all my life, but you big, scary gay people are so intimidating that every scientist, including myself, is going to participate in a collective lie in order to make you happy."
The suggestion is idiotic.
rodgierad 5 months ago
@rodgierad LOL You've got to be kidding me..There is no lobby that influences the media,education & politicians like the gay lobby..The NRA would love to have the kind of influence that the LGBT has.
But ask a psychiatrist what he thinks off the record,& he'll talk about learned behavior..The American Psychiatric Association considers it to be a lifestyle choice,& they do not believe anyone is "stuck" being gay if they don't want to be.
& there are many who don't want to be but feel stuck.
KingDavid14218 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218 <Approved Nov, 2004
"The American Psychiatric Association has historically supported equity, parity, and non-discrimination regarding legal issues affecting mental health. Educating the public about lesbian and gay relationships and supporting efforts to establish same sex legal unions is consistent with the Association's advocacy for other disadvantaged minority groups"
rodgierad 5 months ago
@KingDavid14218 >Reaffirmed by the Board, July 2011-Originally Approved by the Board, December 1992
"Whereas homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities, the APA calls on all international health organizations, psychiatric organizations, and individual psychiatrists in other countries to urge the repeal in their own countries of legislation that penalizes homosexual acts by consenting adults in private."
rodgierad 5 months ago
Is heterosexuality born invincible?
THINK about it.
Any young and impressionable heterosexual child can be turned gay by predatory adults..It happens every day throughout the world.
Wake up people...No boy is born to be sodomised his whole life,what would that make God OR Nature?..
Repeating the "born this way" lie lets everyone off the hook..Predators,bad parents,the culture,politicians,educators and you and me...It is a lie that is just to convenient to accept.
Don't buy into it.
KingDavid14218 7 months ago
this is just a liberal view yes there are influences but you can turn gay or staright or evan bi try to prove me wrong you stupid leberals
ryannewellisg 7 months ago
@ryannewellisg don't need to
the fact you're conservative automatically does that
mermaidsareppl222 6 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 yes that definitly makes sense
ryannewellisg 6 months ago
@ryannewellisg it does to those of us who use our brains
mermaidsareppl222 6 months ago
@mermaidsareppl222 if u sed ur brain in science the enviornment influences ur personality
ryannewellisg 6 months ago
what about bisexuals?
reachfan88277 7 months ago
Score 1 for the up right logical thinkers and 0 for the backward witch burning zealots. Its ok witchburning zealots, you can still punish the left handed and continue to wallow in your pseudo science....Oh wait my bad looks like you cant punish the left handed. But I do have 1 question. Why are there so many societies and assosciations for shrinks?
sycuro 7 months ago
You want to know if this is from birth or choice ? I got mine from birth - YES I REMEMBER CLEARNY MAKING UP WITH A BOY FROM MY GROUP IN KINDERGARDEN WHEN I WAS AROUND 5 ... After i grew up i had some girlfriends and i wondered why i didnt like being with em. I still think its BOTH - some turn gay cuz its cool (but they actually arent ) , and some - like me - are born that way. Those who are born that way are not girly and are usually hiding it, and u can never tell by seing them on the street
coldteardrop 8 months ago
Martha is so badass! No lie, she's just badass!
awsomeyoshi2 8 months ago
if being gay is ok,then why can't it be a choice like everything else?..i was actively bisexual from the age of 9 thru 18...[at 9,for around 3 months, i was repeatedly molested/introduced to gay sex by a 19yo dude living nextdoor]...when my peers asked me why i was sometimes gay,i just said,because i like it or because some dudes were attractive that way...it never occurred to me to lie and say i was born that way,everyone is a natural born bisexual,it only depends on circumstances and attitude.
KingDavid14218 8 months ago
"Honestly, if you think homosexuality is a choice, then try to sit there and find someone of the same gender romantically attractive."
too easy,ask straights in the military or prison or unisexual schools...or the typical adolescent boy or ANY woman.
being gay is not a prerequisite for same sex attraction,the only thing required is being human..being human is all that is required to enjoy sexual intimacy with the same sex.
what really offends is the intellectual dishonesty among gays.
KingDavid14218 8 months ago
pc pseudoscience...conditioning,it's all about conditioning.
conditioning is the lord of this world, which is why over 90% of the world's population eats meat...and christian beliefs have no relevance on this subject,only the preponderance of anecdotal facts or certainties...homosexuality is the result of child abuse,it is an addictive compulsive behavior introduced after birth,much like drug addiction..homosexuality is made,not born..saying otherwise lets child abusers off the hook.
KingDavid14218 8 months ago
@KingDavid14218 Im not abused, and I'm gay. So try to explain that.
Ranokian 8 months ago
@Ranokian abuse is the common explanation,but simple seduction by an elder of same gender will do it too or maybe you just turned yourself onto it with another boy the same age...but no one has to be born gay,only human,to enjoy sexual intimacy with same sex...and homosexuality tends to be more addictive than heterosexuality...i don't hate gays at all,what i do hate is kids in school being labeled gay by educators based on their current orientation or a phase...labels are very self-fulfilling.
KingDavid14218 8 months ago
a movie by fags and for fags
Plzzzr 8 months ago
2:27 Sooo TRUE ! ,,, I have 2 brothers and 3 sisters older than me (im the youngest in my family) and i'm gay. Also my friend he has 2 brothers and 1 sister older than him and he is the youngest and he is gay
simon1430 8 months ago
its not a choice i agree with ShippolsCute18... try
Arcanetheory7 10 months ago
Well, what about Bisexuals?
AnnBabyInfinity 10 months ago
@AnnBabyInfinity What about them? They are sexually attracted to both males and females....
mattymacg09 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
10% of our country is gay.
ale901ale 10 months ago
This is why I have no religion because it wants everyone to be the same if you are a tad differnet they hunt you down and gut you like a fish. They used to belive being left handed was evil now how rediculous is that oh and they used to belive that masterbation was wrong too.
ale901ale 10 months ago
See this is why I hate religion it makes everyone hate each other for their differences. Think about it if we had no religion then the world would get along more. Look at history most of the wars and evil things that happened where caused by religion.
ale901ale 10 months ago
homosexuals please repent you know what your doing is wrong. at judgement you cant tell God you did not know
trevanismith 10 months ago
@trevanismith See? Religion is spread by a fear of an omnipotent and all powerful being. This is why people are still Christian. People are too afraid of being wrong and rather have a chance of "going to heaven" by believeing this all powerful "God" than believeing that you just decompose in the ground. Christians think that they should might as well believe in thier beliefs because they think that they have both chances of going to "heaven" and just dying and becoming nothing.
MrDouglasXD 10 months ago
what about making a video proving people born with homosexuality is not a mental disorder
Mikesworld01 11 months ago
It is a choice becuz they just want attention and feel the same sex will give them that attention
PnDProject 11 months ago
@PnDProject That's the stupidest argument for it being a choice....try again...
gaylolful 11 months ago
What about the lesbians? :O More research!
TheFoxGoddess 1 year ago 6
im ok with gay ppl but i mean cmon really thats just gross like girls still like something in there stuff n guys eww man ah
asant93 1 year ago
@asant93 Your on our side right?
GrandchaseFan101 1 year ago
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GrandchaseFan101 1 year ago
14 people are homophobes who can't deal with scientific facts.
Lateralusmaster 1 year ago
Hey; I was a straight kid up to 24 but had issues with porn and started hiring prosts, then i tried transv, and that became a strong addiction, i did think those were woman, and since they were more fiery sexually it was a strong hook, even to the point of almost killing myself rush driving there once. at a point i did try one man. I did not like that, but kept on hiring tr. There was some sort of deceit in my mind that those were woman...well now I am straight again, not addicted to anything
catroarb 1 year ago
Martha is cute.
AndTheWorldSoared 1 year ago
YES MY SHIFT KEY IS BROKEN AND VAGG IS VAGINA!! FUCKING RETARDS!!!
youdontmesswithagee 1 year ago
Ok i agree that homosexuality isnt a choice because its a mental illness like schizophrenia that cn be passed on from generation to generation.We have eyes & mind to see& examine what we are - a boy or girl, right?So, why their mind is rejecting the fact that they are guys NOT girls?Most serial killers are homosexuals too.Homosexuality is a mental illness that must be cured.are there really gay animals?i disagree with that! did you ever see a male dog f*c*kin another male dog in the arse?MORONS!
TheOmniscientEyes 1 year ago
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pandararya00 1 year ago
@TheOmniscientEyes Stop following me around and calling me Semitic you fucking Jew.
pandararya00 1 year ago
@TheOmniscientEyes I'm not mentally ill and neither is my girlfriend. What evidence is there that Most serial killers are homosexuals. There are gay animals, its documented. Here are the dogs: youtube.com/watch?v=ExItc_EggqI&feature=related. I wouldn't look if I where you, I myself would never have looked at this if it wasn't for the fact that I wanted to prove you wrong.
Van0Joy 1 year ago
@Van0Joy Yes most serial killer are homosexuals and thats a fact! you wont believe me? why dont you try to do a research to know the truth? I am firm to my belief that HOMOSEXUALITY is a MENTAL ILLNESS.Noone can ever change my mind.
TheOmniscientEyes 1 year ago
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Van0Joy 1 year ago
@TheOmniscientEyes hey, I offered proof to you why do I need to search for myself? well I did and most sites said the number of serial killers is so small no coloration can be made and there appears to be non. If you think Homosexuality is an illness you wouldn't need to link it to something horrific to make it bad, if you believe its an illness you should be caring to those you believe are sick not yelling at them for something they can't control. I'm not trying to change your mind.
Van0Joy 1 year ago
@TheOmniscientEyes
"...most serial killer are homosexuals and thats a fact!"
HUH? You watch too much TV.
Berkowitz, Bundy, Carpenter, Yates, Lake/Ng, Gein, Robinson, Ross, Travis, Turner...
The vast majority are not homosexuals. Many rape and murder FEMALE prostitutes.
Trying to change YOUR mind is pointless-addressing your LIES is worth two seconds perhaps...
rodgierad 1 year ago
ITS A FUCKING CHOICE. YOU PEPOLE CHOSE TO BE GAY, YOU DIDNT COME OUT A VAGG. THINKING I LIKE SAME PEPOLE AS ME YOU CHOSE TO BE GAY ITS NOT IN YOUR DNA.
GOD SAID IN THE BIBLE IN SO MANY WORDS A MANS PENIS MAY NOT ENTER ANY HOLE BUT A VAGAINA. NO FAKE VAGS NO ASSHOLES AND NO MOUTHS. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP THINKING YOU WHERE BORN A HOMO
youdontmesswithagee 1 year ago
@youdontmesswithagee
LOL, obvious troll. You call yourself a Christian, but you are obviously not Christ-like. It's people like you who give Christians a bad name. BTW, is your shift key broken?
MrOpenGamer 1 year ago
@youdontmesswithagee vagg? whats a vagg?
Van0Joy 1 year ago
Homosexuality. One of God's many ways of reducing the human popluation.
lavaxtris1 1 year ago
@lavaxtris1
If that's the way you have to interpret it, so be it. But that's a pretty common reaction to stuff like this.
MrOpenGamer 1 year ago
This video shows a definate hate toward Christians and people named Chirstian.
lavaxtris1 1 year ago
Your disease and neglect of health should not affect me but the socialist collectivist homosexual bioterrorists see the world differently.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
It's a deadly choice like taking drugs or a DWI.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
Is it just me, or is this cartoon focused merely on plecating andnot ging into detail? The twin study statement is off, it's only 52 percent of the time that the twin is gay, which in itself messes with most of the statements since identical twins have identical genetic make up and develop at the same time. The 'gay animal' bit often takes out the actual social tendancies of the animal in question, which show that issolated cases of pure 'homosexuality' are not common, more often only...
Dyoni1 1 year ago
can prove bisexuality at most (An example being the claimed 'homosexuality' of rams who form 'gay' groups when they lose the position of the 'alpha' rams who get to mate with the female, and will go strait from that group to mating with females should they get that chance come the next mating season.) These tyoes of cases also show us that even with animals it seems more of a choice then homosexual activists let on. The further fact that some people want to and have changed....
Dyoni1 1 year ago
also brings up the issue of the right to self determination, tell me, where does it say that a group of people get to label you what they want so they can get some political benefit? This video seems more about trying to placate the ignorant with statements without follow up, treating people like idiotic homophobes without any actual detail into the 'facts' they put forward, depending to the person not asking questions and taking it at face value.
Dyoni1 1 year ago
lesbians are selfish and retarded......just pathetic..and they will be back to normal anyway when they realize theyr too old for this fad...shit....
Gay Men in the other hand is more important for our fashion industry...lesbo are a" "waste" of women.....pathetic...
Baldoxxx4000 1 year ago
@Baldoxxx4000 could you be any more hypocritical?
idaman12345 1 year ago
@Baldoxxx4000 You are a waste of a human being.
DerpMcHerp 1 year ago
hehh i liked it :)
MysteryFaeryGirl 1 year ago
awesome vid.
heatherlisa1 1 year ago
good shit
cybernako088 1 year ago
the washingtons were GAY????the father of our country?????NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......
thanksforthemessdick 1 year ago
I am here to tell the 15,000 people that homosexuality is NOT a choice. I was 7 years old and I remember seeing a guy that I thought was very attractive and then it just got more and more toward men .... I was 7 years old and I didn't even know what gay meant ... Homosexually is NOT a choice, you are born that way.
NewYorkCityBoy123 1 year ago 4
@NewYorkCityBoy123 I agree...
FoxxSalema 1 year ago
somebody help me PLEASE. how can i dowload this video? i need it for a presentation i have to do for school. PLEASE help! thanks u guys =)
CDABXXX 1 year ago
@Jesus00000000000 yup ur right :)
ExtraCrispi19 1 year ago
@ExtraCrispi19 Indeed, I hope I am.
Jesus00000000000 1 year ago
@Jesus00000000000 "Fuck all gays"? I hope you're not being serious. I agree with @ShippolsCute18 - "Honestly, if you think homosexuality is a choice, then try to sit there and find someone of the same gender romantically attractive."
nikkissippi121 1 year ago
@nikkissippi121
Dude, I'm gay... -_-
I was being cynical and sarcastic.
Jesus00000000000 1 year ago
@nikkissippi121
"Honestly, if you think homosexuality is a choice, then try to sit there and find someone of the same gender romantically attractive."
-Easy.
ACEDcomputers 1 year ago
HAHAHAHA.......christan.......
kryl0b 2 years ago
I personally wouldn't say it was genetic, a decision I recently made, but really it's similar to heterosexuality.
No brain scans show 'this sector makes this person attracted to blondes' etc. Even if identical twins weren't both gay often, they nearly always have different personalities, and so different people to be attracted to. It's still love, regardless of gender.
Everyone has different tastes. It it too much to believe these preferences extend outside gender.
It's in the heart.
BiJaneWhite 2 years ago
it's normal and it's not a choice...
if you think it is... you are sooo wrong.
people just have to find something wrong with all varities of people. makes me mad... just accept gays and live happily together.
HotCheeseSticks 2 years ago
"We're still gay! ;) "
Honestly, if you think homosexuality is a choice, then try to sit there and find someone of the same gender romantically attractive.
:)
ShippoIsCute18 2 years ago 28
malik51398 9 months ago
@malik51398
I find your lack of periods, hilarious.
ShippoIsCute18 9 months ago 2
@malik51398 Because you are obviously so educated in the field of biology. Don't give me this bullshit. Why would someone want to have a romantic relationship with someone of the same gender even though you are hetero? Why would you want people like yourself to just shit on you? My little brother has acted this way since he was small. He liked Barbies and nail polish since he was 2. He told us that he liked boys more than girls. You have no scientific evidence to support your statement.
Palafico3 8 months ago
malik51398 8 months ago
@malik51398 Love in fact is just a chemical reaction. We give it meaning by choice. My parents do not do that to him because they love him for who he is, not what they want him to be. It's like if you like vanilla ice cream because you just have that taste, when everyone else likes chocolate. You don't choose your sexual orientation. It is built into you. Why don't you try getting an erection for a person of the same sex. You can't can you? Because you BIOLOGICALLY can't. Science has proven it.
Palafico3 8 months ago
@Palafico3 Honest truth i got a boner over a guy
But since i know its morally wrong to be gay
I Set my choice to not like man and to be straight
malik51398 8 months ago
@malik51398 Well then your either bi or you are lying. If you are bi, then thats Ok. Then you aren't lying to yourself for the rest of your life, because you can choose either way. That's the only time you have a choice in this matter. Gay guys can't get boners for women, only men.
Palafico3 8 months ago
@Palafico3
No your wrong becuase i Have no Attraction to men
I was not attracted to him he just had a nice ass
Would i fuck him no its wrong
And like i said I choose the only choice
[STRAIGHT]
malik51398 8 months ago
@malik51398 Then you never had a sexual attraction to him. Science agrees with it, doctors agree with it, how could your belief topple actual proof? You obviously don't know how gays are attracted to each other. Gays become gays do to imbalances of testosterone while in the womb. This imbalance causes enough absorption for the fetus to develop a male body, but not enough to develop a male brain, and so instead it remains a default female mind. They are females mentally but males physically.
Palafico3 8 months ago
3- He feel and react different but that dosent mean he will go to the same sex even when he dosent understand why. He see it in the home but outside there is more than two persons which he sees.. The way everyone around us and not only a number of persons but a high number of humans behave, talk, walk, live has a effect on us more than we can understand and it will take its time and to that add, Tv, internet, Media..
We can not just look at humans but other living being too, we can learn.
SgtraneMnid 2 years ago
2-him by humans in a society who share love for the same sex., then you will grow up in that way: am i right?
Let me explaine.. This is diffrent from that when not surrondet by only that behave.. so there is no problem for a child to grow up with Homosexual parents. Because the Nurture part outside his home is different and much bigger than that in the home-.
SgtraneMnid 2 years ago
1 -this video made me think in a diffrent way because of a Nature Vs Nurture clip I saw earlier. Let us say the genes, hormons & birthorder are given to the child by nature according to this video, then the chances for evolving love for the same sex is bigger, at the same time not..
All humans dont work in the same way, Research in all forms and ways tells us about a high procent of the population and not all.. But what if u dont get all those three,u get Nurture part which surronds -
SgtraneMnid 2 years ago
thers lots of assosiations
darkoblivion70 2 years ago
Well said Jujichan...exactly my point.
NO ONE chooses their sexuality and EVERYBODY knows it. Saying it's a choice is an excuse homophobes use. If they admitted that they KNOW it isn't, then they have no reason to hate except bigotry....and they all deny that!
toddles9 2 years ago 2
ur born gay, you don't have control over it.
keep that in mind. Heterosexuals can talk and talk and they will go nowhere stating that homosexualty is a choice. If everybody would be in the shoes of a homoseuxal for a day, the way people look at us would be completely different. You don't know how it feels like, you don't know anything about this since you can't feel it you can't even comment. There will always be a discussion arised by this controversial topic..
XxrisSzZ 2 years ago
Question: How many male homophobes out there will "skip" the token girl/girl scene in EVERY straight porn film because it's ''immoral and disgusting?"
Answer: None.
toddles9 2 years ago 4
well all porn is immoral. gay or straight.
badandy8888 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
you aren't born anything...you become it. You aren't born stupid, you become educated. I became hetersexual, i didn't chose it, it chose me. SAME THING TAHT GOES FOR GAYS AND BISEXUALS...
blizzard7006 2 years ago
You don't become a great singer, you are born with a great voice or not. Really simple way to prove you wrong. blizzard7006
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