Never mind some pedantic commetators here, this is actually very enjoyable! Obviously there is a lot of Gould in your interpretation but there is also a personal touch, your enthusiasm is infectious and your trills are great! It's not at all easy to pull it off like this in one take... looking forward to hear the rest.
It's too bad, no sense for the piano as an instrument, no feeling for the music of Bach. Why sitting with crossed legs? Who are you trying to imitate? Glenn Gould crosses his left over his right and still uses a lot of pedal, but intelligently.
@Starwalker6978 No, I don't have a problem with your opinions, but it would be useful to use specific examples: "you're ugly" doesn't really mean anything, it is a generalization (much like no sense for piano). If you say, your eyes are closer together than normal, or your ears are bigger than normal, that is something concrete. You can not like something, but blasting generalizations does little good. Also, the reason he crosses his legs is so he doesn't use the pedal, he wrote it elsewhere.
@MortiCarthago The pedal is essential in making the piano sound. As Anton Rubinstein said: "The pedal is the soul of the piano". Not using it is like playing the violin without any vibrato. When you play Bach or any music on the piano, one should use the piano as an instrument rightly and try to make beautiful sound and colors. The way this boy plays the piano and how he doesn't feel the need to use touches of pedal here and there in the Bach proves he doesn't feel the sound.
@dusanholy You left a message on my upload of Horowitz playing Scriabin 3rd sonata to check out your performance of Scriabin's 6th sonata. I did that, I didn't like it much, but I couldn't help myself to check some of your other videos. A comment on this Bach was for me most urgent, because this is sacrilege to Bach's music and the piano. Don't invite people to your videos and than pretend they all searched for you by themselves! I usually rarely watch nor comment on home-videos like this one.
Glenn gould would also keep his foot off the pedal when playing bach, are you saying he doesn't understand the music either? I know you don't think that, so could you explain why you use that argument here?
@janjohandealgenman Than you are very wrong. Glenn Gould uses a lot of pedal when playing Bach! Listen! - and if you are not capable to do so and are merely impressed by him playing with crossed legs, then watch carefully to see that he uses the other foot on the pedal. You better stick to your guitar is my advise.
"GG Well, you know, there are certain personal taboos, especially in playing
Bach, that I almost never violate.
TP Well, I know one of them, for sure: you never use the sustaining pedal.
GG That's right."
As for your little ad hominem remark, I think you just disqualified yourself by resorting to that. I am not continuing this discussion with someone who can't be civil.
So let me get this straight, I have documented proof of glenn gould himself (!) explicitly confirming my claim and your retort is: 'I don't care for interviews' . wow, can't believe I just wasted my time on you... bye bye now
@janjohandealgenman Haha!! Documented proof... if you get stuck to your book, you indeed waist your time. Listen to the playing, that is real documented proof, as the playing doesn't lie. I read books and interviews too, but I read them with caution. A last chance; listen to Gould's last recording of the Goldberg variations for example, and LOOK to the pedal (I doubt you have an ear for pedal) and you'll SEE he uses pedal in Bach not just for legato, but for coloring as well!!
You have some points about using a piano to it's full capabilities in order make the best sound possible and gould did use sustain in later recordings. However this is one side of the story, the other side is that "the best sound possible" could also mean a dry and clean tone and that gould had different opinions in different stages of his life. I am giving you a chance now to respond in a civilized way to adress these points specifically. Any aggression and i'm out...
@janjohandealgenman He also used pedal in Bach in his early days. Listen and watch for example to him in his early twenties in Bach's d-minor concerto. Gould experimented a lot... It is in fact easier to play Bach without pedal, because if you use pedal, you need to use intelligence to judge where to use it and how much. Pianists who don't know how to use the pedal avoid using it with the excuse that the harpsichord didn't have pedal eighter, but that is a completely different instrument.
I still don't get why you feel like pedal will ALWAYS enhance bach? It's like saying black and white pictures are by definition inferior to color pictures when they can be much more powerfull because they don't detract from the object of the photo, same goes for music. Let me stress that I don't think playing bach with pedal can't sound great, I listen to Ivo Janssen's rendition of the french suites and he uses a lot of sustain. My conclusion is that it's a 100% matter of taste.
@janjohandealgenman I never said always using pedal, but on the right places... every passage has to be judged individually. To play just a whole movement of a partita, not to say a whole partita without pedal shows lack of knowledge. Yes, where to use pedal and where not is partial taste and partial style and knowledge about the music and feeling for the piano. There's good taste and bad taste... This performance is bad taste.
I don't think we are going to come to an agreement. I still don't fully understand why playing a entire partita without pedal could not (a) be more beautiful (subjective) and most importantly (b) be a concious choice in order to achieve a certain feeling of the piece. Bad taste doesn't exist in absolute form since taste by very definition is a subjective term.
i really don't understand why so many "don't like" on this video. Really graet execution, nice phrasing, nice dinamics. Maiby people see "gould" and click "like", see "anotherone" and click "don't like", who cares of the real performance.
Dusan, I like the fact that you do not use the pedal - nice phrasing!
Check out the phrasing of Ralph Kirkpatrick for Bach on youtube ... he was a great master. Today, my favorite harpsichordist is Robert Hill, another great musician.
@cabottobac Thanks for advice.. I know the name of Kirkpatrick, but dunno another one.. Will check it out..
About pedal.. Yes.. That's why I play leg by leg.. I will tell you secret.. : I will put my leg to the floor, and in one minute - without knowing about that - I will be pressing that sh*tty-pedal.. :) That's why.. Like this, I don't have to think about that any more.. Very simple..
I enjoyed your playing a lot, really enjoyable indeed. And I can hear that you really love playing the piano! Thank you.
morinoroba 8 months ago
Never mind some pedantic commetators here, this is actually very enjoyable! Obviously there is a lot of Gould in your interpretation but there is also a personal touch, your enthusiasm is infectious and your trills are great! It's not at all easy to pull it off like this in one take... looking forward to hear the rest.
pianopera 8 months ago
It's too bad, no sense for the piano as an instrument, no feeling for the music of Bach. Why sitting with crossed legs? Who are you trying to imitate? Glenn Gould crosses his left over his right and still uses a lot of pedal, but intelligently.
Starwalker6978 8 months ago
@Starwalker6978 lol, why don't you add more generalizations and opinions?
MortiCarthago 8 months ago
@MortiCarthago dusanholy sent me a personal message to ask my opinion, so I gave my opinion. You have problems with that?
Starwalker6978 8 months ago
@Starwalker6978 No, I don't have a problem with your opinions, but it would be useful to use specific examples: "you're ugly" doesn't really mean anything, it is a generalization (much like no sense for piano). If you say, your eyes are closer together than normal, or your ears are bigger than normal, that is something concrete. You can not like something, but blasting generalizations does little good. Also, the reason he crosses his legs is so he doesn't use the pedal, he wrote it elsewhere.
MortiCarthago 8 months ago
@MortiCarthago The pedal is essential in making the piano sound. As Anton Rubinstein said: "The pedal is the soul of the piano". Not using it is like playing the violin without any vibrato. When you play Bach or any music on the piano, one should use the piano as an instrument rightly and try to make beautiful sound and colors. The way this boy plays the piano and how he doesn't feel the need to use touches of pedal here and there in the Bach proves he doesn't feel the sound.
Starwalker6978 8 months ago
@Starwalker6978 sorry guys that I will not join your interesting discussion... but only thing.. I didnt ask you anything, so don't lie here...
dusanholy 8 months ago
@dusanholy You left a message on my upload of Horowitz playing Scriabin 3rd sonata to check out your performance of Scriabin's 6th sonata. I did that, I didn't like it much, but I couldn't help myself to check some of your other videos. A comment on this Bach was for me most urgent, because this is sacrilege to Bach's music and the piano. Don't invite people to your videos and than pretend they all searched for you by themselves! I usually rarely watch nor comment on home-videos like this one.
Starwalker6978 8 months ago
@Starwalker6978
The only thing it proves is that he doesn't feel bach the way you do. There's no question of feeling or not.
janjohandealgenman 7 months ago
@janjohandealgenman Let's say it this way: He doesn't understand the music nor the instrument.
Starwalker6978 7 months ago
@Starwalker6978
Glenn gould would also keep his foot off the pedal when playing bach, are you saying he doesn't understand the music either? I know you don't think that, so could you explain why you use that argument here?
janjohandealgenman 7 months ago
@janjohandealgenman Than you are very wrong. Glenn Gould uses a lot of pedal when playing Bach! Listen! - and if you are not capable to do so and are merely impressed by him playing with crossed legs, then watch carefully to see that he uses the other foot on the pedal. You better stick to your guitar is my advise.
Starwalker6978 7 months ago
@Starwalker6978
@Starwalker6978
>From a Tim Page Interview:
"GG Well, you know, there are certain personal taboos, especially in playing
Bach, that I almost never violate.
TP Well, I know one of them, for sure: you never use the sustaining pedal.
GG That's right."
As for your little ad hominem remark, I think you just disqualified yourself by resorting to that. I am not continuing this discussion with someone who can't be civil.
janjohandealgenman 7 months ago
@janjohandealgenman I don't care for interviews... the facts are in the recordings.
Likewise, I have no interest in continuing this discussion.
Starwalker6978 7 months ago
@Starwalker6978
So let me get this straight, I have documented proof of glenn gould himself (!) explicitly confirming my claim and your retort is: 'I don't care for interviews' . wow, can't believe I just wasted my time on you... bye bye now
janjohandealgenman 7 months ago
@janjohandealgenman Haha!! Documented proof... if you get stuck to your book, you indeed waist your time. Listen to the playing, that is real documented proof, as the playing doesn't lie. I read books and interviews too, but I read them with caution. A last chance; listen to Gould's last recording of the Goldberg variations for example, and LOOK to the pedal (I doubt you have an ear for pedal) and you'll SEE he uses pedal in Bach not just for legato, but for coloring as well!!
Starwalker6978 7 months ago
@Starwalker6978
You have some points about using a piano to it's full capabilities in order make the best sound possible and gould did use sustain in later recordings. However this is one side of the story, the other side is that "the best sound possible" could also mean a dry and clean tone and that gould had different opinions in different stages of his life. I am giving you a chance now to respond in a civilized way to adress these points specifically. Any aggression and i'm out...
janjohandealgenman 7 months ago
@janjohandealgenman He also used pedal in Bach in his early days. Listen and watch for example to him in his early twenties in Bach's d-minor concerto. Gould experimented a lot... It is in fact easier to play Bach without pedal, because if you use pedal, you need to use intelligence to judge where to use it and how much. Pianists who don't know how to use the pedal avoid using it with the excuse that the harpsichord didn't have pedal eighter, but that is a completely different instrument.
Starwalker6978 7 months ago
@Starwalker6978
I still don't get why you feel like pedal will ALWAYS enhance bach? It's like saying black and white pictures are by definition inferior to color pictures when they can be much more powerfull because they don't detract from the object of the photo, same goes for music. Let me stress that I don't think playing bach with pedal can't sound great, I listen to Ivo Janssen's rendition of the french suites and he uses a lot of sustain. My conclusion is that it's a 100% matter of taste.
janjohandealgenman 7 months ago
@janjohandealgenman I never said always using pedal, but on the right places... every passage has to be judged individually. To play just a whole movement of a partita, not to say a whole partita without pedal shows lack of knowledge. Yes, where to use pedal and where not is partial taste and partial style and knowledge about the music and feeling for the piano. There's good taste and bad taste... This performance is bad taste.
Starwalker6978 7 months ago
@Starwalker6978
I don't think we are going to come to an agreement. I still don't fully understand why playing a entire partita without pedal could not (a) be more beautiful (subjective) and most importantly (b) be a concious choice in order to achieve a certain feeling of the piece. Bad taste doesn't exist in absolute form since taste by very definition is a subjective term.
janjohandealgenman 7 months ago
Te voy a postear en mi Facebook
musicanvideo 9 months ago
i really don't understand why so many "don't like" on this video. Really graet execution, nice phrasing, nice dinamics. Maiby people see "gould" and click "like", see "anotherone" and click "don't like", who cares of the real performance.
MonkeyRufy 10 months ago
very nice! just wondering...for the score, which edition or publisher you used?
Hasoginy 1 year ago
@Hasoginy - Henle Verlag Urtext - no lines, no dynamics, only notes... Like Bach wrote...
dusanholy 1 year ago
awesome !!!!!!!!! well done. There were some additional left hand notes in your playing that I dind't have in my score, but it sounds great! ;)
jannokas85 1 year ago
hey man, great playing ! I like how you just sit there with your legs crossed haha, respect. Where did you record ?
RemovdSande11 1 year ago
@RemovdSande11 Hey Remo!! It's Utrechtse Conservatoire - of course.. The yellow building, K.207..
dusanholy 1 year ago
Dusan, I like the fact that you do not use the pedal - nice phrasing!
Check out the phrasing of Ralph Kirkpatrick for Bach on youtube ... he was a great master. Today, my favorite harpsichordist is Robert Hill, another great musician.
cabottobac 1 year ago
@cabottobac Thanks for advice.. I know the name of Kirkpatrick, but dunno another one.. Will check it out..
About pedal.. Yes.. That's why I play leg by leg.. I will tell you secret.. : I will put my leg to the floor, and in one minute - without knowing about that - I will be pressing that sh*tty-pedal.. :) That's why.. Like this, I don't have to think about that any more.. Very simple..
dusanholy 1 year ago
Confidently! Bravo!
Vihor189 1 year ago