Security vs Citizen, US - No Filming Allowed

[JohnMagillM]

The US Supreme Court has already ruled countless times that you can film anyone in public anytime. As long as your not interfearing with law enforcement or emergenices in anyway.

[TNGadFly]

@JohnMagillM Exactly. The best recourse is to disobey their unlawful order disguised as a "request". Stay calm, let them arrest you, file suit and buy a new car with your new found insurance settlement. They say ignorance is no excuse, well knowledge is. Also, sue the offending officer in the "Individual" capacity. $178 per month is sent to me automatically deducted. I love the American Legal Injustice system, works well for those that know how to play.

[DavidForthoffer]

@JohnMagillM: The U.S. Supreme Court has NOT ruled ANY time that you can film anyone in public any time. In fact, if you are filming solely for personal use, it is pretty clear you do not have a First Amendment right to film.

Aside from that, the security guards here were telling the videographer to get off private property. THAT is certainly legal. You do not have the right to film on private property when the property owner says you cannot.

[reynaldo05]

You're such a dick head. She didn't wanted to be filmed and you kept on going. Fucking immature piece of shit, no wonder cops beat the shit out of you people.

[OPE08]

So I can come into your house just as long as I'm filming?

They are wrong about filming other people, but they are right that you do not have the right to do what you want on somebody elses property.

[guitargod909]

They even offered to show you where it was acceptable to film, But you continued to be a dick about it.

[clkndggr]

Yeah. You were legally in the wrong in this. You have no right to film in my house.

[Dubet]

Wow it's people like you that create dickhead security guards/cops. They were being so nice to you and you just kept being a fucking dick. I hope your rights get violated in every situation you are put in.

[andy2038]

@usagora well let me reply this way..if im in public, even private property not posted not to film and filming, i should be fine, until they ask me not to(on their property).........but if YOU are on my property and filming me and i ask you to leave my property and you dont(if you quote the other dudes words, i will shot you right then)....BIG/HUGH/MASSIVE differance between the two thing you were comparing with the other guy.....also i have seen you on here before, and you are a fool

[foxvw]

i love how you post a video of you breaking the law

[2012nugget]

She knows where the property line is ! She swam accross one already.

[gnockergnutz]

You fucking asshole, why the stupid fucking edits? Just let the content speak you overly dramatic fucking stain.

[criticalmushroom]

Even if its in the law what is wrong with filming on private property, what possible reason is there to hassle those people!?

[nlophasnotpaid]

There is always a easement to stand on. Transit cops forced me to move off their "private property" since I was smoking. Which in turn lead to me going to the easement to smoke, which was closer to the other people, and the non smoking signs. I was pretty far away to begin with, I am respectful of others when I am smoking.

Stupidity at its best on their part. The city cops could not force me to move from where I was standing.

[mattsmoski3737]

Its a double standard, some are afraid of cameras and think big brother is watching then the same ones want to film everywhere. On private property you can be prevented from filming, you can film on to private property if on public property. Ever go to a concert and start filming? The same thing.

[infocus2020]

She's correct. You cannot film on private property and you were clearly on. In some cities, buildings own a walking area or mall which they open to the public. Owners and their representitives can grant or deny access. However, you can film from public property which is the public sidewalk.

[bkershaccount]

@infocus2020 ya, she's correct. you can film from public property like the sidewalk, but you can't be on a busines's private property and record if they don't wish to allow you.

[obamasucksdick99]

@bkershaccount thats correct, but the owner never told them they couldnt film there, just some fat beaner shithead bitch on a power trip

[bkershaccount]

@obamasucksdick99 the fat beaner shithead bitch on a power trip was the private security of the private property. she is an agent of the owner.

[obamasucksdick99]

@bkershaccount eh... i thought she was just a regular pig....

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Hey moron, there's a SIGN that says DO NO FILM and it's a private property. Damn brainless clown.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 that just means that they dont want you to film there, it isnt illegal to do it, there is no law that says that you cant film where they have a sign that says no filming, its just the private properties rules. they can kick you out if they wanted but you arent going to jail for filming there. YOU are a brainless clown and a moron

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Hey moron, the security officers work for the owners. The owners tell the security officer that filming IS NOT allowed and they also put a SIGN that states the same thing so the officers do NOT have to go around to morons like you telling you to not film, but of course the only alive brain cell left on your head can not understand that.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 ok sure, they do work for the owners and they CAN kick the guy out. but that doesnt make it illegal to video tape on the property. if i put up a sign on my house that says no video taping and someone goes in my driveway video taping he hasnt committed a crime, i can still kick him off my property but he hasnt committed a crime. stop throwing insults because your the one thats wrong

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Who said video taping is a crime? You're confused. I can drive without insurance on my car and go to jail, is that a crime? If you're in a PRIVATE property and you don't want anyone to film and they film anyways it's called trespassing. No one said filming is a crime, you're just too lost and can't think straight. He won't go to jail by filming, he will just be kicked out of the property and if he refuses then he will be DETAINED by an officer.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 yeah its trespassing but only if they dont leave when the people who own the joint tell them to go. its you thats lost, and its you that makes it seem like video taping is a crime. and if he refused to leave and the police came he wouldnt be detained you fucking imbecilic fuck, he'd be arrested.

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Ummm WRONG! Are you NOT listening? The owners tell the Security Officers what to do! They talk in behalf of the owners... the owners do not need to go to your lazy ass to tell you it's not allowed to film on the property. That's why the owners pay the officers you moron. You have no common sense on the only brain cell left in your head. Video taping is not a crime we all know that, you're just acting like a little girl assuming this and that... you seriously need some help.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 i didnt say anything you just said that i said. i know the pigs in the video represent the manager and i know video taping is not illegal, you just want to think that i'm saying that because your a moron. your straw-man argument is amazing

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 pigs? lol I have been arguing with a 14 year old all along. Go cry to mommy little girl.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 good way to avoid everything completely. your insults are lame

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Stop crying sissy.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 your not worth my time, all you do is say blatant ignorant insults that dont offend me at all :-\ you cant defend the shit you spew out so you just say more useless meaningless verbal garbage

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Blah blah blah, go cry somewhere else.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 whatever, your the one who is crying. you cant cover up the stupid shit you've said with insults

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Blah, Blah, Blah. Learn the law, kid.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 what do you mean learn the law? i think you need to learn the law, kid. 

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Hahaha copycat.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 yes, i am copying you to show you that what you said means nothing, tell me what you think i am mistaken about instead of just saying "l 2 lawz lololol". your assertions mean nothing when you dont give a reason to why you say them

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 Poor you. I have petty on you. Goodbye.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 and i pity you meaningless verbal garbage dispenser

[reynaldo05]

@obamasucksdick99 So you feel sorrow and compassion for my suffering? ROFL! You're a funny kid.

[obamasucksdick99]

@reynaldo05 nope.pdf

[lacbear4u]

@infocus2020 According to the California Constitution if you are on private property, such as a sidewalk, where other people are given the right of way to walk, pass through, &etc. then you also have the right to stand there and bring your camera.

[obamasucksdick99]

@infocus2020 you can film on private property until the owner tells you to stop

[MendotaTech]

@infocus2020 Actually, filming devices are not permitted at all and just by doing so, you are breaking the law

[professoreinstoned]

it's not like they were dicks about it, they had a job to do, they didn't have to be nice

[obamasucksdick99]

@professoreinstoned their job is to violate your 1st amendment rights? and they should do it whilst being snooty?

[andy2038]

@professoreinstoned but they did need to be correct.......and she was wrong saying permission was required to film someone

[yo246897531]

Wow, I really dont know how the camera man can try fighting with this one. The cop was very nice, and she was right. He was on private property, and their was a sign that even said so... This guy needs to learn when to give up when hes obviously wrong.

[ClintWohler2]

I hate d-bags who think they are too good and want to show off their rights. When a security officer tells you to leave the property that is owned by the company he/she works for it is the companies right to remove you. Period....

[disposablefreedom]

Well then move your face..

[Roofius2]

usa = police state

[RickySouthwell]

no one said you cant film, just do it on the other side of the small little tiny sign that no one can see

[skinnycopdude24]

if a guard asks you to leave and you dont you are then trespassing and can be arrested.

[skinnycopdude24]

I dont understand whats so hard to just move other than pride and ignorance. Security guards may not be the owners of the property but they are representatives and have the same authority as the owner himself, or herself, its in the job description. If a guard asks you to leave just do it. Its easier for everyone. You can film private property so long as you are not on that said property. In other words filming private property from public property...

[BlueJayJayWay]

imagine if this idiot was standing on your front lawn taking pictures of the inside of your living room. Its the same idea. You would be the security guard telling him to leave. Security guards represent property owners and just speak on their behalf. The idiot should have been arrested for trespassing.

[batosmc]

I hate these bastards (camera fukkers) that do not respect others people jobs......always trying to outsmart, idiots! No body would like someone entering their private properties ( house for sample) to start filming whatever the hell they want! would you? i would take their camera and stick it up their assS! ;P

[robin22391]

@batosmc

that place was not private.

[CSATexan]

@batosmc

So you think that these people live in the street???

This ain't their house it is a public street bought and paid for by tax payers. And if you think they don't have video camers in that store recording you. Shove a few up your ass see how many fit

[BlueJayJayWay]

@CSATexan No. Thats like saying that the city owns your backyard because it's outside. You cant record there, but the property owner can do what ever they want. It's your house, you make the rules.

[CSATexan]

@BlueJayJayWay

So if these people make up the rule that anyone with a green shirt has to eat a head of lettuce???

They may own the property but they don't own the street. Heck they could easily say no black people are allowed to cross the street,.

[jahazielgarcia]

that was so dumb. Know your rights before you start filming. Not during... Idiot

[mlane25269]

2 questions:

1) what the hell gave that fat ugly bitch the idea that she could be a rent-a-cop?

And

2) shouldn't she be signing up for Weight Watchers? Oh wait...she can't afford Weight Watchers cause she only makes minimum wage in her rent-a-cop job and she needs that money to bail her cholo boyfriend out of prison!!

[kjchicago1]

When she tells you, in a nice tone "You can't film on private property" then you're not able to film on private property! Why make it tough for yourself and her, too? Just do as she says and there won't be any trouble with her! If not, you could get arrested! You can film on public property(as long as it's not private)

[robin22391]

@kjchicago1

it wasnt very private

[milten3649]

@Speedskate2014 Not on private property :) How would you like if I came INTO your home and started filming you by force in YOUR property :)?

[robin22391]

@milten3649

a home IS private, that place was public as are shopping malls sports arenas and concerts.

do they own the photons of light, NO.

and besides, my eyes are far more advanced forms of cameras, if eyes are allowed to see then so is a camera.

[BlueJayJayWay]

@robin22391 Unless the city owns it, its private property. The city doesnt own the mall. Mall managers have to pay some serious money in upkeep. When was the last time you saw a government contractor making mall repairs. Just because people gather there doesnt mean that it is a public place. Just do a little research into private property law.

[robin22391]

@BlueJayJayWay

until it is shown that it is actually "private" property, the man is allowed to film as he opens what is known as a civil dispute.

[sinravo]

why do so many people think its clever to go out in public to film people they are tryin to piss off in the hopes of them goin mad over it. get a life or end it, simple as that

[robin22391]

@sinravo

you take life too seriously i feel.

[sinravo]

@robin22391 if i was workin as a security guard and someone tries to show me up or piss me off makin my job harder than it should be then yeh i take shit seriously

[robin22391]

How is filming trying to show you up or piss you off, get a grip, its not even the security guards property, they are employed. Like i said they take their jobs too seriously, try smiling or laughing rather than being a robotic drone.

do you really think it will matter when you are dead, will you regret you didnt work more???

or do you just need an ego inflation by telling some other human being what to do when they are being very peaceful. terrorists arent real they are an illusion.

[sinravo]

@robin22391 im not gona argue with a hippie, smoke green PEACE!

[fatalist6o9]

I hate jobsworths...

[bubbaroy73]

the camera man is a fucking punk who is out fucking with hard working citizens! Get a fucking life!

[seanpintara]

They do like to target photographers alot. Especially the ones that don't look like a tourist, say if your hanging around for a while. As a professional photographer in Australia, I know my rights here and it is very similar to the US. But if your just filming or taking a few shots in this kind of area, you should be aloud. In that particular area there is a grey area. Being more co-operative can help and still allow you to get your shots. But if your just trying to provoke them then your lost.

[VoodooPolitico]

ITS HOLLYWOOD BLVD you fat cunt. Im willing to bet that more pictures and videos are taken by citizens in this area than any other area in Southern California. This silly fat mimimum wage idiot needs to learn how to pick her battles. 5 feet from removeable sign placed in the middle of the sidewalk? The guy could have stood there alllll day and filmed and they couldnt fucking touch him. Imagine THAT landing in court. Would be thrown out in a heartbeat.

[cpe111]

The public areas of shopping malls are considered public property - was this a mall?

[VoodooPolitico]

@cpe111 The area they are in, is in front of the Hollywood and Highland Mall on Hollywood Blvd. Where tourists taking MILLIONS of pictures and thousands of hours of video a year. Notice the sign is in the middle of the sidewalk. The property managment there walks a very thin line with this sort of nonsense. The security guard was just being stupid. ITS HOLLYWOOD BLVD. You cant throw a rock without hitting a professional film crew or a tourist with a camera.

[hotwired5578]

i dont know whats so difficult to understand about this YOU CANT FILM ON PRIVATE PROPERTY

[FireGlades]

She very politely asked not to be filmed, why instigate a fight? stupid.

[SirWinstonChurchill]

@FireGlades

Ugly bitch doesn't want to be filmed... too damn bad...

[Snipza]

I hate these jimmy justice people who instigate these interactions. so sad that they have no lives.

[rubyman2010]

bu the sign doesent say "no filming"

[BboyFeeney]

wow.... nice music. Haven't heard that kind of music since I last watch a corny instructional video on VHS>

[lilninja256]

She is wrong about not being able to tell who the accuser is. Your civil rights give you the right to face your accuser.

[angryjunkie]

good work man! you are a tough guy!!! tresspass on my lawn and ill shoot your stupid ass.

[robin22391]

@angryjunkie

then you will go to jail and get raped!!!

[deputycorndog]

Why are you arguing with her, just take it to her supervisor or property manager. Then you post this on youtube, you are a douch

[Sakamachi25]

The private property owners can ask that person to get off their property for any reason, but there is no law preventing that photographer from standing there with a camera, and pointing it any which way that person feels like it, all day long.

[s3xyn1cca]

Stupid H&H Center Security! I always went there when I stayed on Whitley. UGH! They annoy the hell out of me!

[12GaugeLosAngeles]

Private property, their policies you fucking cockmuncher. That girl served you. "This is America" you sound like a faggot, i would of socked you out... i work down the street. Fucking queer. If you are on someone property and you film someone who is a paying customer take your non HD camera elsewhere you fucking troll. Ha ha, reminds me of Oreilly when he can't hit the nail. You lost pussy...

[robin22391]

@12GaugeLosAngeles

mad?

[ddrusa]

dam even on holly wood

[twiggy504]

So in America people should be able to film anywhere... What a load of Crap! So in America people should be allowed to take films of little kids in swim suits at the beach? Or film in public toilets? Would you like people filming your kids or you???

[themafia306]

@twiggy504 The law states that you can film whatever, whoever, and whenever, as long as you are on public property.

Of course, you cannot legally film in a public restroom (even though it is private property) because then you could be charged with something like peeping or sexual assault. Filming children is perfectly legal provided you are filming from public property.

I don't necessarily agree with the filming the children part, either, but that's the law.

[twiggy504]

@themafia306 I did not say that filming was against the law in the USA as I have no idea of the laws over there BUT I am surprised that the people of the USA value their right to film more than their right to privacey and security. I would much prefer restrictions on what I was allowed to film knowing that people could not for no lawful purpose film my children, family or even myself. In Queensland Australia there are laws which restrict filming in many places.

[themafia306]

@twiggy504 Ah, I didn't know that QL had laws restricting filming...that is interesting. Could you tell me about some of those filming laws because I'm curious now?

As for the US, I don't care about filming laws, personally. I would prefer to exercise my right to do as I please as far as filming in public (within reason).

[twiggy504]

@themafia306 To be able to tell you the laws in about 480 charaters can't be done but all of Australian laws are available to the public via the internet and in print from Go Print which is our goverment print shop. But for an exsample we can not film in such place as our south bank park lands on the beach area as it is used by kids, we can not film naked or semi naked kids under the age of 18 and we can not film some locations such as our ports, air ports and army bases etc for security reasons

[robin22391]

@twiggy504

most people aren't psychos, living in fear is always the worst choice.

[thepackripper89]

wow shes a fuckn fat fuck who is a want a be cop i what pull an uzi on her and shoot 100 rounds into her trampoline stomach. i bet there even wasnt a complaint.

[le238man]

Respect her "Authorateh"

[tonysshadow]

actually the cops have it backwards.... the idea of "private property" is fine if they are answering a call from the property owner. Otherwise, the cops have no authority just to claim ...oh you cant film me on this property. Point of fact... filming from private property is even moreso protected, if the property owner has no objections.

[iakopaben]

Less talking, more arresting the guy with the camera! Hard to film while in handcuffs. Thanks for supporting the Security industry by justifying their existance. I mean if people would just listen to the rules when politely informed, the majority of security officers wouldn't have jobs.

[darkcrysis]

this fat bitch is bad at bull shitting...

[D33Lux]

I have to admit she was polite, out of courtesy I would have obliged to her personal privacy and not filmed her. No need to be an asshole if the person who is requesting not being filmed is polite. I ask people if they wish to be filmed of not, if they decline they have a right also.

[BloatedSensations]

@D33Lux No. Actually, they have no such right as long as they are within public view. If they don't wish to be filmed, the legal onus is on them to move to a place outside of public view - where they would have a reasonable expectation of privacy. They may wish not to be filmed. And, you may abide by their wishes if you choose. But, they have no "right" to not be filmed.

[AKstraightedge]

"im an obnoxious ignorant bitch, im just letting you know"

[atchisrj1]

What a dumb bitch.

[sage0857]

there is not a thing your manager can do about him filming, why doesnt he drag his ass outside and tell him????????

the cop was wrong and she knew it, thats why the chink didnt say anything.

[nero8289]

This guy is just a ass hole. I have friends like this guy. What they need is a good ass kicking.

[nero8289]

I agree he needs his ass kicked.

[Ripster40]

Hes on public property, sidewalk is consider public.

If the fucking horse is standing on the sidewalk, isn't that more pressing issues then some guy filming?

[eslake]

The legal justification of "Expectation of Privacy" is not applicable to any public lands, or any location where unfamiliar persons gather.

Even private property is not an excuse, except where the Property Owner has expressly forbidden (In writing in clear view in all entrances) that filming is not allowed. Or in such an instance as the property owner informs you of such restriction.

Know your rights.

[zamorah12]

@eslake thanks. good to know

[BroomeBlocker4]

@eslake I would say the property owner having security go up to you and ask you nicely not to film on their private property would be such an instance of the property owner informing you of such a restriction.

[mdg1964]

The woman cop was being very fair and very patient and very polite.

[11eggs]

You were on private property, you were asked to leave, if you didn't leave, or re-entered, it was trespassing.

You CAN however stand on public property, and film INTO private property.

You were on private property though, and she was asking you politely many times to leave, you should have been more co-operative, she only had to ask you once before you could have been charged.

[Dutch3DMaster]

@11eggs : I can't agree with you more.

[robin22391]

@11eggs

it did not look private to me.

[eatclipsedust]

This is in LA? im suprised she didnt take the idiots head off

[gesnarfel]

Lets get our video cams out and film this guys house. Ya know, bedroom windows, bathroom windows etc. Put the camera right on the glass.

Oh yeah, film kids in the back yard, Kids going to school, kids waiting for the bus, kids at recess..

No prob right?

This guy is clueless. And yes this IS the most patient officer in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  5 STARS for the officer!!!!!!!!!

[wtfidknoob]

how is that private property?? its connected to the sidewalk...and that 1 line out of 1 gillion is the property line lmao

[NDAaron]

because its owned by an entity or person other than the government.

[cjunk351]

that is the nicest security officer ever. And at least she could tell that the situation didn't need to be escalated to a violent situation no matter how irritating the guy was.

[ed2276]

you can't film on private property without the owner's permission. Unless you knew the private property sign set in the sidewalk is bogus and it really is public property you should have just stepped outside that line and kept filming away.

[lilhpmax]

she dose not know what she is talking about.

[bigjuicemc]

u would be considered trespassing if it is privite property moron

[Vladimir0538]

Ridiculous