John Kanzius, not "Kansas" who died in 2009, He and several others found, maybe the cure for Cancer, but also an alternative for fuel, using salt water, which according to some would in fact devalue the dollar and cause ruination of the United States. Well, I must say I am not sure of this or not, but here we are again looking to relieve the pain of buying fuel at 4.00 per gallon.
@mickfinnegan Read atlas shrugged and compare it to Rearden Steel. It wouldn't ruin the United States. It wouldn't devalue the dollar either. If that were the case, the invention of the internal combustion engine and gasoline would have devalued the dollar and ruined the US as well. That didn't happen did it?
There were other inventors that discovered this years ago, but were silenced by the goverment . Fact is the idea of people being able to take salt water and run there cars will not fly with our government because it would immediately devalue the US dollar. Remember All Oil is purchased in DOLLARS, everywhere! making the dollar the one true global currency. With our economy in the dumps its value is already challenged other currencies. Loose to Oil and were instantly 3rd world.
@xevious2501 hey, no one said it "will replace oil", but this could easily be another way to fulfill our demand for "more" energy...and I mean "more energy". By 2050 the world's population will hit 9 billion plus, so you do your math, oil from the ground will not be nearly enough to supply the "WORLD"....so anytime we discover another way to produce energy, we should welcome it with OPEN ARMS! forget about the "dollar", in 2015 or before, we will need alternative energy!!!!
Considering it takes energy to generate the radio waves to separate the hydrogen in this process it's not really a viable solution for are growing energy crisis. But its medical applications look very promising. Can I invest with you? I really believe the medical applications from this technology will be a game changer in the cancer treatment industry. I'm really interested to see where this will go in a few years.
4-96% H auto burns in air. H burns clear, NA orange yellow; Cl clear. Why would sodium be entrained? Na and Cl ions are in salt water. How would Na be entrained in the gas? Maybe mistuned Bunsen burner if you will pardon my skepticism. RF routinely processes water, i.e. microwave oven. Seems the water would boil before enough energy is imparted to break the H-O-H bond, 32.9 KWh/kg if the energy corresponds to electrolysis. Maybe his RF gen is tuned to water natural frequency?
@bilkay0 that goes against the conservation of energy, there could not be enough energy created by the generator to power the radio transmitter. Combustion engines are extremely inefficient
YA its LAWAYS that way.. when a guy like this been working 20 years figures it out...WHAM hes has an untimely death ! ok where is the paper work for his ibvention ..MISSING again..EVERY time it seems ! and were still in the dark !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just simple combustion, the H20 splits into H and OH because of the energy from the radio waves, then is ignited by those same high energy waves. I don't really think it's practical because of the amount of electricity required to generate the radio waves is extremely high.
Continued: The exact specifics are out there I'm sure..though I don't actually know.. I am also confused by the fact that his hand(70%-80% of all tissue is fluid) passed through the machine's 'mouth' without experiencing any 'burning' pain.
@Bookstop1337 If its breaking Hydrogen and hydrogen peroxide and putting them back together again, then there is NO WAY this could be very useful at all. Any way you cut this, it doesn't seem to be a method to produce any kind of engine.
It may be a useful heating apparatus however, but I don't see how it could be anything much more than that.
I never said it was putting them back together again, I said it was being ignited by the radio waves, or at least that was my understanding of it. And I do agree with you, it doesn't seem very efficient .. although it did take the automobile nearly 50 years to become economical and nearly 100 for it to be "perfected".
@Bookstop1337 But it has to put something back, if you have two flammable constituents hydrogen and hydrogen peroxide and a flame, I'd suppose most of it just combusts back into water. I suppose some of the loose hydrogen might react with oxygen in the air, but then you have excess hydrogen peroxide and the reaction is probably less than unity. So the reaction probably requires energy, it doesn't produce it. Therefore salt water is not a source of energy.
I think you're right, the radio waves split the water into H2 and O2 which combust from the provided energy from radio waves and they reform, then are split apart again.. there are things called watertorches that are an older version of this but rely on the same principle. There are even cars that run on something similar.. but as I have previously stated, it isn't a source of net energy.
Congress & OPEC will be very opposed to this type of technology-how do you sell or tax water. Go ahead & post the schematics so we can build our own & be done with it. This is one of many water-burning designs right now.
Where did these statistics come from? I would really like to know. However, if 200% is a true statistic, you would think that car manufacturers would be willing to take their time on such a precious find like this to optimize the watt usage and overall size of the generator.
You realize that I said it requires 200% MORE energy then it puts out....as in it's 50% efficient.
In reality, even if the Electricity>RF>H2(gas) process was 100% it's still a horrible system for cars as converting H2 gas to motion is done 1 of 2 ways. A fuel cell converting it to electricty (which we started with) or burning it for heat which is only about 20% efficeint (about the same as the car you have now).
but were not looking for efficiency unless were talking about gas but its a great idea since it has no pollution i think and it is a basically unstoppable fuel source.
@ricky300ex First you have to create electricity. If the electricity generation creates pollution (and most methods do) then this process creates pollution. Also, if you have electricity, just put it into a battery in an electric car. This is 80% to 90% efficient.
Chill out guys, it's not like an RF Generator can't be integrated into an automobile, or something similar to it to help produce the energy...RF Generators don't drain a whole crapload of energy, especially if you intend to design it for fuel efficiency...just a little jumpstart of electric and your car can run for quite some time...
Plus, it's not like the RF Generator needed a crap load of electric to ignite the flame...they should consider Kansas' idea and improve upon, it's a gread discovery
".RF Generators don't drain a whole crapload of energy" Yeah, they only drain about 200% more then the energy that can be released from the hydrogen, barely any at all!
you forgot to consider the fact that this system also produces O2, O2 combined with hydrogen incresses the B.T.U. potental by as much as 200% think of a normal car, then add nitros oxyide
Listen you Two. Just agree to disagree and get over it. Who cares how clever you are. I had a car once that I designed to run on trees. Problem was,..it "wood"nt go. HaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHahahahahahaaaaaaaaaahahahaha. errr ehem! sorry. Comence fighting. You bores. :)
I also have a motor running on the pantone process using crushed coal water and a couple of tablespoons of gas, run time over 8 hrs on less than two gallons of mix. I have also used other hydrocarbon based fuels in this process, an extremely effecient process. Its not overunity, as it does not exsist. I never liked the term overunity or perpetual motion, though it may act like it, seem like it, the energy has to come from somewhere, and it does, its all around you, passing through you.
There's nothing exceptional about burning hydrocarbon-based fuels (indeed, it's the basis for our society!). Fuels have energy. That's why they burn. Water on the other hand doesn't.
"Pantone process"? You mean Paul Pantone, who's in jail for fraud after initially being declared incompetent to stand trial, and has yet to demonstrate a working model of his scam?
"It's all around you, passing through you"? So it runs on The Force? You're a crackpot, energyismass.
We all run on the force dipshit, err force and mass, which is magnetism. Its part of our genetics, its part of our electrical system in the body. Your probably one of those dips who believe the earth magnetic field is from the dynamo effect! Go back to your books and stay stupid.
Saltwater is not a fuel, and can never be a fuel. It's the electrical power from his RF generator that breaks down the saltwater in Hydrogen and Oxygen. His spark-light ignited the flame. When he removes the electrical power, the flame will go out. People who understand Physics know that saltwater (or regular water) is not a fuel. As gasoline prices climb, people start believing the most ridiculous claims for miracle alternatives for gasoline. Burning saltwater is just one of those silly claims.
The hydrogen is the fuel, and yes salt water can be used. Yes it takes energy to break the bonds, alot of it, unless you know a few tricks to make it breakdown easier, such as "tuning" the electricity going into plate HHO generators. There are many ways to manipulate water easily to get all the Hydrogen and or energy you need to replace carbon based fuels.
True, Hydrogen, by itself, is a fuel but only after enormous amounts of energy from other sources have been used to extract the Hydrogen from whatever other gases or solids it happens to be bonded to. The problem with this video is the fact that it's greatly misleading. It starts out with the News lady saying, "At 4 bucks a gallon for gas, how would you like to run your car on saltwater?" That is irresponsible journelism because she leads people into believing such nonsense.
Its only enormous amounts of energy to crack it if you don't know what your doing. Like I said there are many tricks to make the process much more efficeint and viable for automobiles. It not irresponsible journalism to speculate on alternatives that can save our butts. In my own experimentation, water can be crack much easier than we were ever told in physics class. Try tuning the electricity into plate generators and see what happens... wow! 13.56 mhz and 9.26 mhz
RF energy may be an improvement over DC for electrolysis, but it is far from unity (or, as the Free Energy quacks like to say, "over-unity"). Therefore, rather than use an electric source to break apart water just so you can burn the resulting Hydrogen, it makes more sense to simply use that electricity to run an electric motor directly! There are losses associated with electrolysis no matter how efficient your process is. It can never be 100% or better.
EIM, please explain how this *isn't* an overunity claim. Electrolysis is simply the hydrogen combustion process in reverse. Xrayrep is absolutely right- even at 100% efficiency (an impossibility), the BEST you could hope for would be to break even. Reduce the power in the electrolysis and you reduce the hydrogen output. Your claim is like saying that you can get more energy from a rock rolling down a hill than it took to roll it up the hill in the first place. This is basic chemistry.
We don't know power in and we don't know power out in this demonstration. We do know hydrogen is a fuel, its in water and we can crack the bonds producing hydrogen. A more effeceint process to crack water instead of using raw power is to manipulate the frequency of the power in plate generators, or in this case hit the body of water with mhz freqeuncy for what I believe to be much more effeceint process for accessing hydrogen. Its not about raw power to crack water its about technique.
The laws of physics disagree with you, and a basic knowledge of molecular chemistry would show you where you're wrong. Electrolysis is the means by which the combustion energy is imparted to the hydrogen in the first place! Again, even at 100% efficiency you won't get any energy out through combustion that you didn't put in yourself. Re-read my "rolling a rock up a hill" analogy. Then go find your chemistry teacher (if you've ever had one) and smack them for me. ;-)
Your wrong, hydorgen is the fuel your cracking and it can produce useful energy over and beyond what it took to crack it out of the water. PERIOD! Its the way you manipulate the process, like i have said 4 times. You can zinc and lead with vinegar water and produce hydrogen with no energy going into the system. There are many ways to access the hydrogen in water much more effeceintly than raw power brut force.
My wrong? Man, are you joking? If you're serious then you lack the basic knowledge needed to even carry on an intelligent discussion on the matter. "Cracking"? Do you know what a covalent bond is? Bond dissociation energy? Enthalpy? These are fundamental concepts in order to understand what's actually happening during combustion and electrolysis on a molecular level. Learn some science, then come back.
BTW, saying "PERIOD!" doesn't make it so. It just makes you look like an idiot.
Cracking is the wrong term, just a name I used for the process. Its really a rearrangement of the H20 molecule. Want to compare electric bills? I dare ya. Yes, I'm not degreed, I only know what works, maybe I'm not sure exactly what is happening, but I get real world results. I have completed the loop with a 5000 watt generator, runs continuously, my electric bill was $5 last month and I run an eighty acre farm. Put that in your pipe and smoke it bitch.
Having a low electric bill makes you an authority on electrolysis and hydrogen combustion how? Cavemen also had low electric bills, but didn't claim any special "secret" knowledge about how to get energy from water.
"maybe I'm not sure exactly what is happening"
Then why do you make claims about "effeceint water cracking techniques"?
"Put that in your pipe and smoke it bitch."
In 4 days that's the best retort you could come up with? Degrees are irrelevant. Learn some science, then come back.
I only know what works in front of my face. You unfortunately don't have that, never experienced it. You need to shut your pie hole and get in your garage. I offer proof, you tell me my retort is the best I can do? I'll make any claims I like, don't like it, lump it pal. Go pay your electric bill dumbass. I have completed the loop, get it? My generator runs on water, supplies the power, transmutates the arrangement, I got extra coming out of the system feeding back into the utility grid.
You've offered no proof up to now- only vague claims and admissions that you don't know basic chemistry. If you have proof then by all means, share it! Share it with me. Share it with YouTube. Share it with the Nobel committee, because they'll have a prize for you.
"I'll make any claims I like"
I can *claim* to be the President. That doesn't make it true.
Side note: the reaction you mention with zinc and vinegar water is the acetic acid in the vinegar reacting corroding the zinc. Sure, "hydorgen" (to use your colorful term) is released, but it's not coming from the water. Again, this is basic chemistry.
Its the energy you put into it and what the hyper excited hydrogen state can capture from the surrounding magnetic field and convert into a 3000 degree plasma. Modern physics won't even go there, its not a chemical process, its magnetic!
"hyper excited hydrogen state"? LOL! You're not even trying any more, are you? I'll translate your statement for everyone else: "I know nothing about science, so I'm going to throw together some scientific-sounding terms and hope that it convinces you that I know what I'm talking about." I'm not fooled, EIM, but I am terribly amused.
"Modern physics won't even go there"? WTF? Do you mean to say that magnetism isn't part of modern physics? Your woo-woo pseudoscientific handwaving is a riot! :-D
Actually its what I call a "hyper magnetic state". All energy and mass is about magnetism and has everything to do with everything, physics. Pantone got screwed, his process works, I've done it, my neighbors have done it. Call me a crack pot Datanturd, you sound like a psyops specialist, disinformation specialist for the gov. As much time as you are on here, you would think you would try these experiments for yourself, but no... its blaa blaa blaa blaa, I'm smart your all dumb blaa.
Your descent into complete incoherence is proceeding nicely. Congratulations.
It's what you call a "hyper magnetic state"? Pray tell, what does the rest of the world call it? Again, throwing around words like "magnetism" doesn't make you sound like you know what you're talking about.
I sound like "a psyops specialist"? Upon what experience do you base this assessment? Have we, er, "they" kidnapped you and implanted something in your head in the past? ;-)
I base my assessment on your persistant negative comments in all the videos that have anything to do with zero point or promising simple technology that can change the world. Instead of doing the experiments yourself, you blaa blaa blaa your ingnorant, uneducated blaa blaa blaa. So yea, you act like a disinformantion servent. Lets talk magnetism and electricity, lets talk tesla, pantone, kirchoff, lenz, and faraday. But no, you know it all already, its what my book says....
I find it interesting that you seem to "know" what experiments I have and haven't run, what I do for a living, and stance on the Earth's magnetic field just from a few short interactions on the efficacy of burning water for fuel. Amazing!
You're right about one thing though- you're a crackpot. And I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else. Just you. If your system works why not publish a paper or arrange a public demonstration?
Learn some basic science, if only to argue your case better.
DatanOde; Oh, so you have done salt water frequency experiments? Or the pantone process? You read and understood Ed Leedskalnin and carried out his simple experiments. You have made the school girl circut? Tell us, what are your results? I can argue my case all day long, don't need to do it better, I'm doing just fine. P.S. this is a discussion not a spelling contest. You can do and say whatever you like to make me look stupid, thats fine, no skin off my back.
Yes, hydrogen can be held in hyper magnetic state to draw in zero point energy ie. Excited hydrogen creates golden ratio vortexs that do harness zero point. Water can be manipulated and or the hydrogen in it to produce more energy output than is going into the system. Its all about magnetism and or frequencies which have everything to do with everything. The universe has a frequency that can be harnessed. ie magnetism ie gravity ie frequency.
yea, it is pretty amazing. You don't think your smarter than everyone else you just act like it. Even if you smarter, you can't learn from someone less smart? Nope, not you, your have your ego to far up your azz. Lets talk earth's core and magnetism, shall we? Lets see how much of a crackpot I am, shall we? Come on, bring it.
Ah stagecurtains before I even read your comment I had envisaged exactly what you have written, there is definitely NO way this will ever get past the drawing board, but hopefully good luck with the cancer project.
How much do you bet the oil companies buy him off or finish him off.one or the other, this invention will probably be shelved, do you think the oil comanies are going to allow us to fill up down on the coast NEVER, sad aint it!!!.
I'm 63 years old, and throughout my life things like this offering inexpensive alternatives to expensive gasoline have periodically surfaced. They've never seemed to work out. Maybe this time, but don't hold your breath. - Uke Man
April 29, 2008: This information needs more supporting data such as the frequency of the generator, power output, standing wave coupling or freely radiating electromagnetically, and much more.
Research on my part reveals that there is indeed hidden energy associated with the single atom of Hydrogen in the field not terminated by the normally attached electron.
When not terminated, the proton pressure wave energy can grow without limit. The electron normally is the limiting termination.
This is not a source of energy, period. The hydrogen is being used as a storage medium, not an energy source. RF energy is going into water and being stored in the splitting of the water molecules. This same energy is what comes out when the H2 and Oxygen are burned.
This isn't newsworthy. It's basic chemistry. Much more energy is being expended in the RF generation than is coming out of the H2 combustion.
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Draw your eyes back people...see the whole picture...see the negative ramifications to earth. Is this funded by the salt giants. Salt is corrosive to the land environment and it pickles food for Godsake it petrifies it. It is bad for our kidneys and blood pressure.
Aren't salts metal? Aren't there salt water batteries already? Aren't all the salts bad for us to breathe? Aren't most of the salt mines and dead sea in the same areas. Were not people jailed for making their own "illegal" salt in some countries? Oceanography when you mess with the salt level of the ocean creatures start dying there goes the earth...weather patterns start to change where do you think the electric field around the earth comes from.
be nice to see an update, this is old news.
nshamblin 8 months ago
John Kanzius, not "Kansas" who died in 2009, He and several others found, maybe the cure for Cancer, but also an alternative for fuel, using salt water, which according to some would in fact devalue the dollar and cause ruination of the United States. Well, I must say I am not sure of this or not, but here we are again looking to relieve the pain of buying fuel at 4.00 per gallon.
mickfinnegan 9 months ago
@mickfinnegan Read atlas shrugged and compare it to Rearden Steel. It wouldn't ruin the United States. It wouldn't devalue the dollar either. If that were the case, the invention of the internal combustion engine and gasoline would have devalued the dollar and ruined the US as well. That didn't happen did it?
held46 9 months ago
There were other inventors that discovered this years ago, but were silenced by the goverment . Fact is the idea of people being able to take salt water and run there cars will not fly with our government because it would immediately devalue the US dollar. Remember All Oil is purchased in DOLLARS, everywhere! making the dollar the one true global currency. With our economy in the dumps its value is already challenged other currencies. Loose to Oil and were instantly 3rd world.
xevious2501 10 months ago
@xevious2501 hey, no one said it "will replace oil", but this could easily be another way to fulfill our demand for "more" energy...and I mean "more energy". By 2050 the world's population will hit 9 billion plus, so you do your math, oil from the ground will not be nearly enough to supply the "WORLD"....so anytime we discover another way to produce energy, we should welcome it with OPEN ARMS! forget about the "dollar", in 2015 or before, we will need alternative energy!!!!
blitzrule 2 months ago
Considering it takes energy to generate the radio waves to separate the hydrogen in this process it's not really a viable solution for are growing energy crisis. But its medical applications look very promising. Can I invest with you? I really believe the medical applications from this technology will be a game changer in the cancer treatment industry. I'm really interested to see where this will go in a few years.
tampabayismyhome 10 months ago
BTW re PMM, hydrogen requires 32.9 KWh/KG to generate by electrolysis and yields 39.4 KWh/KG when combusted....
h2goes 11 months ago
4-96% H auto burns in air. H burns clear, NA orange yellow; Cl clear. Why would sodium be entrained? Na and Cl ions are in salt water. How would Na be entrained in the gas? Maybe mistuned Bunsen burner if you will pardon my skepticism. RF routinely processes water, i.e. microwave oven. Seems the water would boil before enough energy is imparted to break the H-O-H bond, 32.9 KWh/kg if the energy corresponds to electrolysis. Maybe his RF gen is tuned to water natural frequency?
h2goes 11 months ago
Wow! If he connects his engine to a generator, and have the generator power his radio transmitter, he'd have a perpetual motion machine.
bilkay0 1 year ago
@bilkay0 that goes against the conservation of energy, there could not be enough energy created by the generator to power the radio transmitter. Combustion engines are extremely inefficient
bobbarker951 11 months ago
YA its LAWAYS that way.. when a guy like this been working 20 years figures it out...WHAM hes has an untimely death ! ok where is the paper work for his ibvention ..MISSING again..EVERY time it seems ! and were still in the dark !!!!!!!!!!!!
NO way man wakey wakey for real
frank0067 1 year ago
what if he used that thing on the sea. lol
metallica1310 1 year ago
what is the chemical reaction? NaCl + H2O = HCL + NaH + O ? That can't be right
The only way those would be the products is if the energy required to sustain the reaction is greater than the energy outputted.
Wcoltd 1 year ago
@Wcoltd
It's just simple combustion, the H20 splits into H and OH because of the energy from the radio waves, then is ignited by those same high energy waves. I don't really think it's practical because of the amount of electricity required to generate the radio waves is extremely high.
Bookstop1337 1 year ago
@Wcoltd
Continued: The exact specifics are out there I'm sure..though I don't actually know.. I am also confused by the fact that his hand(70%-80% of all tissue is fluid) passed through the machine's 'mouth' without experiencing any 'burning' pain.
Bookstop1337 1 year ago
@Bookstop1337 If its breaking Hydrogen and hydrogen peroxide and putting them back together again, then there is NO WAY this could be very useful at all. Any way you cut this, it doesn't seem to be a method to produce any kind of engine.
It may be a useful heating apparatus however, but I don't see how it could be anything much more than that.
Wcoltd 1 year ago
@Wcoltd
I never said it was putting them back together again, I said it was being ignited by the radio waves, or at least that was my understanding of it. And I do agree with you, it doesn't seem very efficient .. although it did take the automobile nearly 50 years to become economical and nearly 100 for it to be "perfected".
Bookstop1337 1 year ago
@Bookstop1337 But it has to put something back, if you have two flammable constituents hydrogen and hydrogen peroxide and a flame, I'd suppose most of it just combusts back into water. I suppose some of the loose hydrogen might react with oxygen in the air, but then you have excess hydrogen peroxide and the reaction is probably less than unity. So the reaction probably requires energy, it doesn't produce it. Therefore salt water is not a source of energy.
Wcoltd 1 year ago
@Wcoltd
2H2 + O2 → 2H2O(g) + heat
I think you're right, the radio waves split the water into H2 and O2 which combust from the provided energy from radio waves and they reform, then are split apart again.. there are things called watertorches that are an older version of this but rely on the same principle. There are even cars that run on something similar.. but as I have previously stated, it isn't a source of net energy.
Bookstop1337 1 year ago
Congress & OPEC will be very opposed to this type of technology-how do you sell or tax water. Go ahead & post the schematics so we can build our own & be done with it. This is one of many water-burning designs right now.
LRRPF52 1 year ago
yeah yeah, but what about corn?
vidgmmst 2 years ago
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SpeedMetal4635 3 years ago
tu eres el que ases que nos miremos mal nosotros los mexicanos y latinos pinche pendejo ponte a trabajar cabron.
ricky300ex 2 years ago 2
200% more?
Where did these statistics come from? I would really like to know. However, if 200% is a true statistic, you would think that car manufacturers would be willing to take their time on such a precious find like this to optimize the watt usage and overall size of the generator.
carrollc221 3 years ago
You realize that I said it requires 200% MORE energy then it puts out....as in it's 50% efficient.
In reality, even if the Electricity>RF>H2(gas) process was 100% it's still a horrible system for cars as converting H2 gas to motion is done 1 of 2 ways. A fuel cell converting it to electricty (which we started with) or burning it for heat which is only about 20% efficeint (about the same as the car you have now).
BugNuggets 3 years ago
but were not looking for efficiency unless were talking about gas but its a great idea since it has no pollution i think and it is a basically unstoppable fuel source.
ricky300ex 2 years ago
@ricky300ex First you have to create electricity. If the electricity generation creates pollution (and most methods do) then this process creates pollution. Also, if you have electricity, just put it into a battery in an electric car. This is 80% to 90% efficient.
JohnCBriggs 2 years ago
Chill out guys, it's not like an RF Generator can't be integrated into an automobile, or something similar to it to help produce the energy...RF Generators don't drain a whole crapload of energy, especially if you intend to design it for fuel efficiency...just a little jumpstart of electric and your car can run for quite some time...
Plus, it's not like the RF Generator needed a crap load of electric to ignite the flame...they should consider Kansas' idea and improve upon, it's a gread discovery
carrollc221 3 years ago
".RF Generators don't drain a whole crapload of energy" Yeah, they only drain about 200% more then the energy that can be released from the hydrogen, barely any at all!
BugNuggets 3 years ago
you forgot to consider the fact that this system also produces O2, O2 combined with hydrogen incresses the B.T.U. potental by as much as 200% think of a normal car, then add nitros oxyide
gordonshart 3 years ago
Listen you Two. Just agree to disagree and get over it. Who cares how clever you are. I had a car once that I designed to run on trees. Problem was,..it "wood"nt go. HaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHahahahahahaaaaaaaaaahahahaha. errr ehem! sorry. Comence fighting. You bores. :)
JonBMAX 3 years ago 5
I also have a motor running on the pantone process using crushed coal water and a couple of tablespoons of gas, run time over 8 hrs on less than two gallons of mix. I have also used other hydrocarbon based fuels in this process, an extremely effecient process. Its not overunity, as it does not exsist. I never liked the term overunity or perpetual motion, though it may act like it, seem like it, the energy has to come from somewhere, and it does, its all around you, passing through you.
energyismass 3 years ago
There's nothing exceptional about burning hydrocarbon-based fuels (indeed, it's the basis for our society!). Fuels have energy. That's why they burn. Water on the other hand doesn't.
"Pantone process"? You mean Paul Pantone, who's in jail for fraud after initially being declared incompetent to stand trial, and has yet to demonstrate a working model of his scam?
"It's all around you, passing through you"? So it runs on The Force? You're a crackpot, energyismass.
Datan0de 3 years ago
We all run on the force dipshit, err force and mass, which is magnetism. Its part of our genetics, its part of our electrical system in the body. Your probably one of those dips who believe the earth magnetic field is from the dynamo effect! Go back to your books and stay stupid.
energyismass 3 years ago
Saltwater is not a fuel, and can never be a fuel. It's the electrical power from his RF generator that breaks down the saltwater in Hydrogen and Oxygen. His spark-light ignited the flame. When he removes the electrical power, the flame will go out. People who understand Physics know that saltwater (or regular water) is not a fuel. As gasoline prices climb, people start believing the most ridiculous claims for miracle alternatives for gasoline. Burning saltwater is just one of those silly claims.
xrayrep 3 years ago
The hydrogen is the fuel, and yes salt water can be used. Yes it takes energy to break the bonds, alot of it, unless you know a few tricks to make it breakdown easier, such as "tuning" the electricity going into plate HHO generators. There are many ways to manipulate water easily to get all the Hydrogen and or energy you need to replace carbon based fuels.
energyismass 3 years ago
True, Hydrogen, by itself, is a fuel but only after enormous amounts of energy from other sources have been used to extract the Hydrogen from whatever other gases or solids it happens to be bonded to. The problem with this video is the fact that it's greatly misleading. It starts out with the News lady saying, "At 4 bucks a gallon for gas, how would you like to run your car on saltwater?" That is irresponsible journelism because she leads people into believing such nonsense.
xrayrep 3 years ago
Its only enormous amounts of energy to crack it if you don't know what your doing. Like I said there are many tricks to make the process much more efficeint and viable for automobiles. It not irresponsible journalism to speculate on alternatives that can save our butts. In my own experimentation, water can be crack much easier than we were ever told in physics class. Try tuning the electricity into plate generators and see what happens... wow! 13.56 mhz and 9.26 mhz
energyismass 3 years ago
RF energy may be an improvement over DC for electrolysis, but it is far from unity (or, as the Free Energy quacks like to say, "over-unity"). Therefore, rather than use an electric source to break apart water just so you can burn the resulting Hydrogen, it makes more sense to simply use that electricity to run an electric motor directly! There are losses associated with electrolysis no matter how efficient your process is. It can never be 100% or better.
xrayrep 3 years ago
Its not an over unity process, its an easier way to harness the hydrogen for fuel.
energyismass 3 years ago
EIM, please explain how this *isn't* an overunity claim. Electrolysis is simply the hydrogen combustion process in reverse. Xrayrep is absolutely right- even at 100% efficiency (an impossibility), the BEST you could hope for would be to break even. Reduce the power in the electrolysis and you reduce the hydrogen output. Your claim is like saying that you can get more energy from a rock rolling down a hill than it took to roll it up the hill in the first place. This is basic chemistry.
Datan0de 3 years ago
We don't know power in and we don't know power out in this demonstration. We do know hydrogen is a fuel, its in water and we can crack the bonds producing hydrogen. A more effeceint process to crack water instead of using raw power is to manipulate the frequency of the power in plate generators, or in this case hit the body of water with mhz freqeuncy for what I believe to be much more effeceint process for accessing hydrogen. Its not about raw power to crack water its about technique.
energyismass 3 years ago
The laws of physics disagree with you, and a basic knowledge of molecular chemistry would show you where you're wrong. Electrolysis is the means by which the combustion energy is imparted to the hydrogen in the first place! Again, even at 100% efficiency you won't get any energy out through combustion that you didn't put in yourself. Re-read my "rolling a rock up a hill" analogy. Then go find your chemistry teacher (if you've ever had one) and smack them for me. ;-)
Datan0de 3 years ago
Your wrong, hydorgen is the fuel your cracking and it can produce useful energy over and beyond what it took to crack it out of the water. PERIOD! Its the way you manipulate the process, like i have said 4 times. You can zinc and lead with vinegar water and produce hydrogen with no energy going into the system. There are many ways to access the hydrogen in water much more effeceintly than raw power brut force.
energyismass 3 years ago
My wrong? Man, are you joking? If you're serious then you lack the basic knowledge needed to even carry on an intelligent discussion on the matter. "Cracking"? Do you know what a covalent bond is? Bond dissociation energy? Enthalpy? These are fundamental concepts in order to understand what's actually happening during combustion and electrolysis on a molecular level. Learn some science, then come back.
BTW, saying "PERIOD!" doesn't make it so. It just makes you look like an idiot.
Datan0de 3 years ago
Cracking is the wrong term, just a name I used for the process. Its really a rearrangement of the H20 molecule. Want to compare electric bills? I dare ya. Yes, I'm not degreed, I only know what works, maybe I'm not sure exactly what is happening, but I get real world results. I have completed the loop with a 5000 watt generator, runs continuously, my electric bill was $5 last month and I run an eighty acre farm. Put that in your pipe and smoke it bitch.
energyismass 3 years ago
Having a low electric bill makes you an authority on electrolysis and hydrogen combustion how? Cavemen also had low electric bills, but didn't claim any special "secret" knowledge about how to get energy from water.
"maybe I'm not sure exactly what is happening"
Then why do you make claims about "effeceint water cracking techniques"?
"Put that in your pipe and smoke it bitch."
In 4 days that's the best retort you could come up with? Degrees are irrelevant. Learn some science, then come back.
Datan0de 3 years ago
I only know what works in front of my face. You unfortunately don't have that, never experienced it. You need to shut your pie hole and get in your garage. I offer proof, you tell me my retort is the best I can do? I'll make any claims I like, don't like it, lump it pal. Go pay your electric bill dumbass. I have completed the loop, get it? My generator runs on water, supplies the power, transmutates the arrangement, I got extra coming out of the system feeding back into the utility grid.
energyismass 3 years ago
You've offered no proof up to now- only vague claims and admissions that you don't know basic chemistry. If you have proof then by all means, share it! Share it with me. Share it with YouTube. Share it with the Nobel committee, because they'll have a prize for you.
"I'll make any claims I like"
I can *claim* to be the President. That doesn't make it true.
"I got extra coming out of the system"
Then why the $5 electric bill?
Datan0de 3 years ago
Side note: the reaction you mention with zinc and vinegar water is the acetic acid in the vinegar reacting corroding the zinc. Sure, "hydorgen" (to use your colorful term) is released, but it's not coming from the water. Again, this is basic chemistry.
Datan0de 3 years ago
Holy dumb ass.
energyismass 3 years ago
Its the energy you put into it and what the hyper excited hydrogen state can capture from the surrounding magnetic field and convert into a 3000 degree plasma. Modern physics won't even go there, its not a chemical process, its magnetic!
energyismass 3 years ago
"hyper excited hydrogen state"? LOL! You're not even trying any more, are you? I'll translate your statement for everyone else: "I know nothing about science, so I'm going to throw together some scientific-sounding terms and hope that it convinces you that I know what I'm talking about." I'm not fooled, EIM, but I am terribly amused.
"Modern physics won't even go there"? WTF? Do you mean to say that magnetism isn't part of modern physics? Your woo-woo pseudoscientific handwaving is a riot! :-D
Datan0de 3 years ago
Actually its what I call a "hyper magnetic state". All energy and mass is about magnetism and has everything to do with everything, physics. Pantone got screwed, his process works, I've done it, my neighbors have done it. Call me a crack pot Datanturd, you sound like a psyops specialist, disinformation specialist for the gov. As much time as you are on here, you would think you would try these experiments for yourself, but no... its blaa blaa blaa blaa, I'm smart your all dumb blaa.
energyismass 3 years ago
Your descent into complete incoherence is proceeding nicely. Congratulations.
It's what you call a "hyper magnetic state"? Pray tell, what does the rest of the world call it? Again, throwing around words like "magnetism" doesn't make you sound like you know what you're talking about.
I sound like "a psyops specialist"? Upon what experience do you base this assessment? Have we, er, "they" kidnapped you and implanted something in your head in the past? ;-)
BTW, it's "you're", not "your".
Datan0de 3 years ago
I base my assessment on your persistant negative comments in all the videos that have anything to do with zero point or promising simple technology that can change the world. Instead of doing the experiments yourself, you blaa blaa blaa your ingnorant, uneducated blaa blaa blaa. So yea, you act like a disinformantion servent. Lets talk magnetism and electricity, lets talk tesla, pantone, kirchoff, lenz, and faraday. But no, you know it all already, its what my book says....
energyismass 3 years ago
I find it interesting that you seem to "know" what experiments I have and haven't run, what I do for a living, and stance on the Earth's magnetic field just from a few short interactions on the efficacy of burning water for fuel. Amazing!
You're right about one thing though- you're a crackpot. And I don't think I'm smarter than everyone else. Just you. If your system works why not publish a paper or arrange a public demonstration?
Learn some basic science, if only to argue your case better.
Datan0de 3 years ago
DatanOde; Oh, so you have done salt water frequency experiments? Or the pantone process? You read and understood Ed Leedskalnin and carried out his simple experiments. You have made the school girl circut? Tell us, what are your results? I can argue my case all day long, don't need to do it better, I'm doing just fine. P.S. this is a discussion not a spelling contest. You can do and say whatever you like to make me look stupid, thats fine, no skin off my back.
energyismass 3 years ago
Yes, hydrogen can be held in hyper magnetic state to draw in zero point energy ie. Excited hydrogen creates golden ratio vortexs that do harness zero point. Water can be manipulated and or the hydrogen in it to produce more energy output than is going into the system. Its all about magnetism and or frequencies which have everything to do with everything. The universe has a frequency that can be harnessed. ie magnetism ie gravity ie frequency.
energyismass 3 years ago
yea, it is pretty amazing. You don't think your smarter than everyone else you just act like it. Even if you smarter, you can't learn from someone less smart? Nope, not you, your have your ego to far up your azz. Lets talk earth's core and magnetism, shall we? Lets see how much of a crackpot I am, shall we? Come on, bring it.
energyismass 3 years ago
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Tadek59 3 years ago
that is awesome, something to solve our gas shortage crisis
ANGELS3018 3 years ago
WOW i want one!
KamakazieIdiot 3 years ago
Cooooooooooooool!
Gaby
pili2255 3 years ago
fantastik gerry
gvbreemen 3 years ago
Ah stagecurtains before I even read your comment I had envisaged exactly what you have written, there is definitely NO way this will ever get past the drawing board, but hopefully good luck with the cancer project.
Rumpep 3 years ago
cool 5*****
bagwhanbill 3 years ago
This is so cool, Could you imagine!!
Rustypoole 3 years ago
I would love too!!
cherrialbum 3 years ago
Brilliant
Laney
laneyjune62 3 years ago
Wouldn't that be the bomb...two positives from one positive!!! :) That's hard to equate these dayz...
And couldn't have come at a better time...for ALL of us!!!
John for President!!! :P) lol
I wish that cancer device was ready now...I need it! :( but think of all the others that will be saved...?!
Bravo Bravo Bravo
And I have to add...Erie's like 90 minutes from me...I luv to fish in Lake Erie too!!! :)
Simply Fantastic,
Tony G. :))
ifxman 3 years ago
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This is so Cool
SherifG1 3 years ago
WOW!!! FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!
grandmafottz 3 years ago
that's cool!!
mindfulmusic78 3 years ago
How much do you bet the oil companies buy him off or finish him off.one or the other, this invention will probably be shelved, do you think the oil comanies are going to allow us to fill up down on the coast NEVER, sad aint it!!!.
stagecurtains 3 years ago
I'm 63 years old, and throughout my life things like this offering inexpensive alternatives to expensive gasoline have periodically surfaced. They've never seemed to work out. Maybe this time, but don't hold your breath. - Uke Man
Englishmanjohn 3 years ago
very exciting!
flatted5th 3 years ago
did they kill him yet?
chumbels 3 years ago
April 29, 2008: This information needs more supporting data such as the frequency of the generator, power output, standing wave coupling or freely radiating electromagnetically, and much more.
Research on my part reveals that there is indeed hidden energy associated with the single atom of Hydrogen in the field not terminated by the normally attached electron.
When not terminated, the proton pressure wave energy can grow without limit. The electron normally is the limiting termination.
JEBAYLES 3 years ago
Jebayles - Are you quoting someone involved with this project or making a statement on you own behalf?
BugNuggets 3 years ago
Project? Statement? Please expand the subject of your question.(Please give me a direct quote and link if possible. --J.E. Bayles
JEBAYLES 3 years ago
Hydrogen burns blue, not red as in this man's video. Hydrogen is not causing that red flame.
maeon3 4 years ago
This is not a source of energy, period. The hydrogen is being used as a storage medium, not an energy source. RF energy is going into water and being stored in the splitting of the water molecules. This same energy is what comes out when the H2 and Oxygen are burned.
This isn't newsworthy. It's basic chemistry. Much more energy is being expended in the RF generation than is coming out of the H2 combustion.
Datan0de 4 years ago
magnetic engines... look it up
BLPskate 4 years ago
The real breakthrough is that he found a way to SPLIT WATER WITH RADIO WAVES. This could be what the hydrogen fuel cell industry has been waiting for
vpsegers 4 years ago 6
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Draw your eyes back people...see the whole picture...see the negative ramifications to earth. Is this funded by the salt giants. Salt is corrosive to the land environment and it pickles food for Godsake it petrifies it. It is bad for our kidneys and blood pressure.
ZoeyMacaroni 4 years ago
Aren't salts metal? Aren't there salt water batteries already? Aren't all the salts bad for us to breathe? Aren't most of the salt mines and dead sea in the same areas. Were not people jailed for making their own "illegal" salt in some countries? Oceanography when you mess with the salt level of the ocean creatures start dying there goes the earth...weather patterns start to change where do you think the electric field around the earth comes from.
ZoeyMacaroni 4 years ago
Look at Sodium-Sulfur batteries.
chitchin 3 years ago