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I know something you should add to your checklist. Don't wear shorts... if you have an electrical fire, and stuff melts.. guess what it's landing on.. your legs. Probably will be a lot worse without pants on...
@iflyc77 generally though you can still fly free in Canada. Maybe foreign registration? ATC never cost me but I think if necessary it's incl w/FBO. I'm curious as to how much they charge!
But I wasn't false. You said congested area, which is not a populated area. I would agree that 'yellow' on the charts is populated (and probably congested), but there can be 'congested' areas that aren't yellow. That is all im getting at.
False again. The yellow is where there are lights and what towns should look like at night. The FAA still hasn't defined what a 'congested area' is and makes the yes/no decision on a case by case basis on a possible violation review. The yellow areas probably are congested, but there is much more to a congested area than that on the charts. Where on the key does it say what 'yellow' is, or what a congested area looks like?
TCA- 'TCA: Terminal Control Area - that area surrounding a big airport, which aircraft must not enter without permission. Has recently been renamed 'Class B Airspace' in accordance with international regulations."
TCA airspace has been in existence since world war 2 when it was part of "Friend or Foe", later TCA.
Restricted airspace has been such for just as long.
Think of this as an inverted wedding cake.
And in the San Antonio and Washington DC TCA, ultralights are prohibited, an example.
More incorrect. TCA's haven't been around for years and there are tons of airplanes/aircraft "smaller" than 152s that can fly in 'controlled' airspace.
Since you mentioned TCA's I am going to go ahead and assume that you don't know what controlled airspace is either as well.
@Arabhacks ultra lights maybe a toy for you but someone inexperienced and less of age cant fly solo at 16, they can with an ultra light or LSA and your remark about a 152 is the smallest aircraft can be flown in controlled airspace is quite incorrect, place a Mode C transponder in an ultralight and its just as good as any bullshit 152..
I had a question.....could you fly a cessna ...or would it be a good idea to rent a cessan to fly from florida to new york , or even oklahoma....or for those distances would you rent a cirrus instead ?
i don't see much need for such slow airplanes in aviation with such a short range. if we combined all the resources that were used to make these small aircraft, those resources could of been used to produce slightly larger faster jet engine general aviation airplanes. in aviation speed and range is everything. why even bother with slow aircraft. why even bother with such slow airplanes
@210482fmj Are you joking????!!!! I love flying at 50knots. Flying does not have to be about going places. You sound like a wanna be jet jockey not a pilot... lol
@winsor68 fast airplanes can be made to travel at slow speeds. there isnt much difference to travelling at 50 knots or 130 knots part from you rate of turn for a comfortable bank angle. be honest if you could travel at 50 knots or 130 knots which would you choose. think speed
@210482fmj If I wanted to travel a vast distance... anything greater than say 100nm...I would like to fly at 130knots... or faster! But for great fun local flying nothing beats an Ultralight such as a Thruster which cruises at just a hair over 50 knots. Sure....you can fly a 130 knot aircraft at 50 knots... but its not the same. And there are not too many jet aircraft that will maintain 50knots safely. In my experience. Have you ever flown a 50knot cruise aircraft... You would love it!
@twistedyogert and are you now? If you're not you should! Just yesterday I had my first ever flight in the glorious C152...and another flight today. Honestly it's the greatest thing I've done in my life to this date. You know when you just don't feel complete untill a certain point and after that you just know that what's missing is flying? Well, from my point of view you don't become a pilot, you always have been one only you don't know to be one yet. Anyways my friend have an awesome day!
why is it that all landing videos on youtube do not hold full back pressure on landing roll? also the "clear prop" thing, is that just the american way ?? lol
Avsfan1118. this is a new model Cessna 172. The ones I used to fly didn' have a fuel pump to turn on. You had to push the mixture full rich, prime the throttle and then push it in 1/8 inch then start. The only planes that had a fuel boost were the low winged planes as well as the high performance planes, 200hp and up. I was flying from the mid 70's throught the late 80's before I had to quit because I can no longer pass the medical,
i think if aircraft replaced cars entirely there would be less accidents and a safer world for pedestrians. my biggest hope is that flying slowly replaces cars and that will cause it to become more popular as the family motor vehicle and that will mean the price will drop. ga aircraft will one day be mass produced like a family car.
I am a student pilot with about 8 hours' experience in Cessna 172s and a Cessna 150, and I have been to private pilot ground school. I am wondering what the red knob to the right and near the forward end of the fuel selector valve on the floor is in the Cessna 172 R model. In the startup routine, the pilot closes this valve just before cranking the engine. Why does he close this valve at this time? Would that not cut off fuel to the engine, rendering it unable to start?
You must be talk about the mixture knob...just to the right of the throttle? The fuel shutoff valve is a smaller red knob and near the selector valve, but that is never really turned off except in maintenance and emergencies. The engine starts with the mixture at idle because of the way priming works on fuel injected airplanes. The aux fuel pump is turned on (you can hear it) then the mixture advanced to allow fuel into the cylinders, then back idle.
@iflyc77 The instant in your video I refer to is about 50 seconds to 1 minute from the beginning. No, I am not referring to the mixture control but the fuel shutoff valve. Why close it at that time in the movie? My experience is in Cessna 172Ps, not R models. I looked in a Cessna 172P manual at the labelled picture of the controls and dashboard and only found a fuel selector knob on the floor at that location. I realize how you can prime an injected engine in the manner shown in the video.
Aha. I see what you mean. This is simply one of the oops moments that I mention in the disclaimer. I was trying to go through this quickly (and was still kind of new at it) to make it fit into my speech, there are a few other dumb little mis-speaks in there as well. I was probably thinking IN and said closed, but it WAS open, and should be OPEN.
@iflyc77 A slightly off topic question re Cessna 172 airspeed indicators: As you go clockwise around the dial from zero, you encounter the first white arc, for the safe flap speed range. Then you encounter a secon white arc, with some numbers (120 and 140) on it. What is this second arc about, and what is its function? Then regarding the altimeter: Just below the altimeter dial's centre there is a piece-of-pie shaped white cross hatched area. What does this area indicate?
I think what you are talking about on the ASI is the window that you can use to calculate True Airspeed. I'm not sure what you are talking about on the Altimeter. I think it might just be text on the face of the instrument that you can't see on this low-resolution camera.
@iflyc77 I did a google search for "Cessna 172 altimeter" and there are some good clear high resolution photos of this instrument, with the piece of pie shaped crosshatched area clearly shown below the dial's centre. I just assumed that since you fly Cessna 172s so often that this part of the dial would be familiar to you. But thanks for the replies so far; I did not know those things about the 2nd white arc on the ASI and the 10,000 foot increment hand on the altimeter.
Honestly where in the hell did you learn to fly? Oh thats right from a book and by real pilots, MIXTURE ALL THE WAY IN on start up, Why do people not do this. The way your doing will leave you with a dead battery on a hot day!. I own a bonanza and have 1300 hours but i was taught the old way to fly what do I know.
How do mixture position and temperature effect battery life? I am now a CFI/CFII/MEI with 1500 hours btw and still do this and teach this on fuel injected engines, which your bonanza may or may not have. If you don't understand that this airplane in the video is a fuel injected airplane and you are thinking about carburetor airplane procedures, you sound pretty stupid right now.
P.S. "planeDOC84" owning a Bonanza....lol. Stay safe and try not to support the Doctor Killer name
and btw, I did not learn from a book. I didn't read the books until I had to start teaching and referencing from them. I did not even own a copy of the PHAK/AFH until after I was a commercial airplane pilot, and have passed all of my 9 FAA check rides easily and on the first try.
@iflyc77 A third slightly off topic question about Cessna 172 altimeters: There are two clock-like hands; the small one is a coarse hand and the big hand points to 100s of feet. However, there is a third hand which starts out wide and straight at the dial centre, gets narrow and straight towards its end, and then ends with an inverted triangle. Also, this hand always points up more or less. What is this hand for, and what does it indicate?
Hey how old were you when you got your licence? im 15 turning 6 this year and am going to flight school next year.How much did yours cost and is that your plane ?
Wow. I can't believe that you could recognize me from that. haha. It was the back page of the Aug. 2007 AOPA Flight Training and they did a "Why We Fly" article on me. I was actually only 16, the 17 was a misprint.
Wonderful Video. I remember being 13yrs old and helping my Dad with his math for his pilots lic. It's some of the most precious memories i have of My Dad. TY Blessings
You forgot the live magneto check during shut down. This poses a safety risk for others on the ground with a 'live prop'. Check magneto's are being earthed pre-take off ( from 1000 RPM and see it drop 50-100 RPM for both left and right magnetos, otherwise it's still firing, still live prop and can cut cut your fricken hand off! No more flying for you. Think of that as you chew your gum next time. And don't rush the checklist, a responsible and professional pilot never does.
frick!! the camera lady missed the most important part!! when he started crankin it over, they missed him pushin the mixture in slowly and only once it started to pop and crank over the give it some fuel....:P
Good job. One tip I was taught on shut down though was to turn the key to off, then on again to make sure the mags cut out. Then shut down the engine as you did with the mixture knob. Thay way you know the mags are indeed off when the engine is off.
I didn't hear any live-mag check (i.e. move key momentarily from BOTH back to OFF then back to BOTH) done in shutdown steps. We always do a live-mag check to ensure prop cannot start accidentally (after shutdown) if prop unintentionally moved with mag not properly grounded.
That makes more sense then. FS doesn't simulate the priming process at all, so the engine wont start with the mixture at idle cutoff. The real one does because we are priming the engine with the fuel pump, letting the engine start off of just that primed fuel, then introducing the normal fuel after start-up
Ok, so because it is NOT fuel injected, YOU WOULD start it with the mixture rich, and use the "plunger" primer. The C172R and later is FUEL INJECTED, meaning that it is primed with an electric fuel pump, and started with the mixture at idle.
Is it the Carenado 172? (I used to be a huge FS nerd, look at some of my other videos. haha) The priming knob moves (and the aux pump switch in the default/Flight1 172) but it doesn't change the way that the engine starts at all in FS.
@TheFsReview im a student pilot and i fly 172's...in the video he mentioned fuel pump on, thats why he did mixture then ignition...in the model i fly, the 172P its an older model, so it is not fuel injected but it uses gravity to pull the fuel out of the wings...in that case the mixture is rich then the ignition.
@ejuoi The master switch energizes the circuit that engages the ignition, therefor as a safety precaution, you yell clear prop before turning it on as well. So there you go, lol :)
Wow u prime for ages. on a cold start u should only need about 4 secs. but i guess it might be different for ur 172. u also forgot to to your dead cut checks to make sure ur mags aren't fucked
Man you left that fuel pump on for a long time. We go mixture full rich, fuel pump on, looking for 5 (only takes a couple seconds), fuel pump off, mixture idle cutoff, throttle open just a hair, mags to start, when the engine starts mixtures goes to full rich then we lean it accordingly.
It's a little more complex than starting the C150... In the 150 you turn the master on, magnetos both, mixture full rich and then you engage the starter... Wouldn't the engine have a hard time starting if the mixture is on cut off (Or very lean)...?
kymiller, you also start c172 with fully rich mixture, after you start the engine you should lean the mixture alittle bit , it igives a high performance to the aircraft and uses less fuel plus, if you didn't lean the mixcture after starting the engine, the sparkplug may not spark due to the plenty of fuel ..
Fuel injected 172's are started from mixture ICO..
sometimes especially in the winter up here, people will flood them, and when that happens, after waiting a bit you can crank with full mixture.. sometimes opening the throttle more, or gently pumping it helps a bit too
When your flying below 3500 feet you use full rich, except if it's super cold or hot(I can't remember if you use full rich when it's cold or hot but nevertheless it's one of the two). Then as you get higher you can lean it out more and more.
This particular Cessna he's flying has a Fuel Injection system which mean the engine is primed first then started. By starting the engine with full mixture would flood the engine resulting in a spluttery start up. Get the facts before spouting stupid comments.
After watching many videos of idiots starting the 172 with the mixture full rich and leaving it there at idle for many minutes, it's nice to finally see someone use the technique of using the fuel pump to prime the engine and then actually starting the plane with mixture in idle cutoff. It definitley helps avoid fouled plugs. Another kudo that I noticed is you immediatley checked engine gauges after it fired. seems like a lot of people forget that. Good job man:)
when you say "pay of the plane" Im guessing you mean rent the plane and most places (or atleast in my area) let you rent a 172 for about 100-110 USD an hour
@Avsfan1118 I just started my flight training and my flight instructor has me put mixture full in before starting, could it be because it is an older 172? It is a 1965 C172F, carb, no fuel injection, and it has no fuel pump, just a primer. Just looking for some advice from someone who has been flying longer =)
Would been funner to show the entire startup, run-up and maybe a take off. 7 minutes... you could have done some fancy editting. Reherse your checklists and do'em or at least say them very quick. Fun times :)
Nice! you must know a lot about planes now if u havent already know about that planes. I know quite a bit about planes. I fly and stuff its pretty fun!!
just imagine....trim tab wedged between the seats with no trim meter...flaps are non electric hand brake 1920's style.....throttle is like a jet....yet the piper PA28 is a piston engine....cessnas are airplanes...i do like the beech sundowner with respect to the low wings. Get a cessna 152!
Yeah thats all i could think it could be...I have never flown a 172R only the 18th century 172's. P.S. Pipers are dangerous planes and a hazard to society...don't fly them.
I think you forgot something yet I don't have sound(No speakers) But I thiiiinnk you forgot your mag check. Is it your plane ? Cause you didn't note the time.
dont wanna be an ass but i think you left the fuel pum on for too long. that can eventually cause an engine fire. I only use fuel pump like 5 secs max
you are right, but if i may share something..thx, the c-172 xp II that i fly, you gotta hold on to that fuel pump switch, so your reaction would be to do it in a faster manner, plus, he did a hot start, and if he is doing a hot start cause the engine is still hot, then he shoudnt use that much fuel pump, thats my opinion, there is already fuel in the lines...you only need a little bit.
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derry365 1 month ago
Why is the instructor in the left seat?
cessna261 1 month ago
@cessna261
Read the description. I was like 15 and not a CFI then and it's just easier to get to all of the controls from the left
iflyc77 1 month ago
I know something you should add to your checklist. Don't wear shorts... if you have an electrical fire, and stuff melts.. guess what it's landing on.. your legs. Probably will be a lot worse without pants on...
TheMeslava 2 months ago
You're all nuts... fly in Canada where the sky is still FREE!!!
kewlmynd99 4 months ago
@kewlmynd99
Last time I flew in Canada I was mailed a bill for 'using' the sky/atc....
iflyc77 4 months ago 7
@iflyc77 generally though you can still fly free in Canada. Maybe foreign registration? ATC never cost me but I think if necessary it's incl w/FBO. I'm curious as to how much they charge!
kewlmynd99 4 months ago
@iflyc77 yeah controlled space will bill you every time... I love my GPS
kewlmynd99 1 month ago
@kewlmynd99 are you kidding, dont you get charged a certain amount for any approach you do?
therabbit0 1 month ago
@roofy2k
But I wasn't false. You said congested area, which is not a populated area. I would agree that 'yellow' on the charts is populated (and probably congested), but there can be 'congested' areas that aren't yellow. That is all im getting at.
iflyc77 4 months ago
@roofy2k
False again. The yellow is where there are lights and what towns should look like at night. The FAA still hasn't defined what a 'congested area' is and makes the yes/no decision on a case by case basis on a possible violation review. The yellow areas probably are congested, but there is much more to a congested area than that on the charts. Where on the key does it say what 'yellow' is, or what a congested area looks like?
iflyc77 4 months ago
@roofy2k
Where does that a congested area is 'yellow?' Where does it say what they are at all?
Yeah, there are 'controlled areas' that are called Class D,B,C, etc, and not TCAs. TCAs became these 'classes' of airspace.
iflyc77 4 months ago
I perfer to start with a pump of throttle then quarter inch and full rich
OhianPilot 5 months ago
TCA- 'TCA: Terminal Control Area - that area surrounding a big airport, which aircraft must not enter without permission. Has recently been renamed 'Class B Airspace' in accordance with international regulations."
TCA airspace has been in existence since world war 2 when it was part of "Friend or Foe", later TCA.
Restricted airspace has been such for just as long.
Think of this as an inverted wedding cake.
And in the San Antonio and Washington DC TCA, ultralights are prohibited, an example.
Arabhacks 5 months ago
Incorrect, under the current FARs only an Aircraft can fly in controlled airspace.
In fact an ultralight is prohibited from flying over any populated area.
An FAR pert 103 ultralight is not an aircraft.
At the present time and under the current rules the smallest aircraft that can fly in a TCA airspace is the Cessna 152.
This is a standard category airworthiness aircraft that meets the minimum requirements as equipped from the factory.
Arabhacks 5 months ago
@Arabhacks
More incorrect. TCA's haven't been around for years and there are tons of airplanes/aircraft "smaller" than 152s that can fly in 'controlled' airspace.
Since you mentioned TCA's I am going to go ahead and assume that you don't know what controlled airspace is either as well.
iflyc77 5 months ago 7
Ultralights are the "toy" of the aviation scene, no practical use.
A 152 is about the smallest aircraft that is a true aircraft that can be flown in controlled airspace with no issues.
Arabhacks 5 months ago
@Arabhacks ultra lights maybe a toy for you but someone inexperienced and less of age cant fly solo at 16, they can with an ultra light or LSA and your remark about a 152 is the smallest aircraft can be flown in controlled airspace is quite incorrect, place a Mode C transponder in an ultralight and its just as good as any bullshit 152..
Tecnam244851 5 months ago
I had a question.....could you fly a cessna ...or would it be a good idea to rent a cessan to fly from florida to new york , or even oklahoma....or for those distances would you rent a cirrus instead ?
Daedalus294 5 months ago
kinda missed some safety things....but whatever
Finelite05 5 months ago
@Finelite05 no big deal...
999lifegoes 5 months ago
i don't see much need for such slow airplanes in aviation with such a short range. if we combined all the resources that were used to make these small aircraft, those resources could of been used to produce slightly larger faster jet engine general aviation airplanes. in aviation speed and range is everything. why even bother with slow aircraft. why even bother with such slow airplanes
210482fmj 6 months ago
@210482fmj Are you joking????!!!! I love flying at 50knots. Flying does not have to be about going places. You sound like a wanna be jet jockey not a pilot... lol
winsor68 6 months ago
@winsor68 fast airplanes can be made to travel at slow speeds. there isnt much difference to travelling at 50 knots or 130 knots part from you rate of turn for a comfortable bank angle. be honest if you could travel at 50 knots or 130 knots which would you choose. think speed
210482fmj 6 months ago
@210482fmj If I wanted to travel a vast distance... anything greater than say 100nm...I would like to fly at 130knots... or faster! But for great fun local flying nothing beats an Ultralight such as a Thruster which cruises at just a hair over 50 knots. Sure....you can fly a 130 knot aircraft at 50 knots... but its not the same. And there are not too many jet aircraft that will maintain 50knots safely. In my experience. Have you ever flown a 50knot cruise aircraft... You would love it!
winsor68 6 months ago
I have always dreamed of flying from the time i was 5 years old.
twistedyogert 7 months ago
@twistedyogert and are you now? If you're not you should! Just yesterday I had my first ever flight in the glorious C152...and another flight today. Honestly it's the greatest thing I've done in my life to this date. You know when you just don't feel complete untill a certain point and after that you just know that what's missing is flying? Well, from my point of view you don't become a pilot, you always have been one only you don't know to be one yet. Anyways my friend have an awesome day!
MercedesKawasaki 7 months ago
Nice Checklist.
Davi3038849844 7 months ago
why is it that all landing videos on youtube do not hold full back pressure on landing roll? also the "clear prop" thing, is that just the american way ?? lol
ridicucrunkulous1 8 months ago
@ridicucrunkulous1 Don't think so....In South Africa we use "clear prop" as well.
danman10131 7 months ago
@danman10131 Same here in Australia :)
jlebesis 7 months ago
Avsfan1118. this is a new model Cessna 172. The ones I used to fly didn' have a fuel pump to turn on. You had to push the mixture full rich, prime the throttle and then push it in 1/8 inch then start. The only planes that had a fuel boost were the low winged planes as well as the high performance planes, 200hp and up. I was flying from the mid 70's throught the late 80's before I had to quit because I can no longer pass the medical,
luvlipstickkisses 8 months ago
@luvlipstickkisses Good news Avsfan... Go Light Sport Flying... you don't have the same medical constraints... or learn to fly an Ultralight.
winsor68 6 months ago
i think if aircraft replaced cars entirely there would be less accidents and a safer world for pedestrians. my biggest hope is that flying slowly replaces cars and that will cause it to become more popular as the family motor vehicle and that will mean the price will drop. ga aircraft will one day be mass produced like a family car.
210482fmj 9 months ago
I am a student pilot with about 8 hours' experience in Cessna 172s and a Cessna 150, and I have been to private pilot ground school. I am wondering what the red knob to the right and near the forward end of the fuel selector valve on the floor is in the Cessna 172 R model. In the startup routine, the pilot closes this valve just before cranking the engine. Why does he close this valve at this time? Would that not cut off fuel to the engine, rendering it unable to start?
idouglas1304 9 months ago
@idouglas1304
You must be talk about the mixture knob...just to the right of the throttle? The fuel shutoff valve is a smaller red knob and near the selector valve, but that is never really turned off except in maintenance and emergencies. The engine starts with the mixture at idle because of the way priming works on fuel injected airplanes. The aux fuel pump is turned on (you can hear it) then the mixture advanced to allow fuel into the cylinders, then back idle.
iflyc77 9 months ago
@iflyc77 The instant in your video I refer to is about 50 seconds to 1 minute from the beginning. No, I am not referring to the mixture control but the fuel shutoff valve. Why close it at that time in the movie? My experience is in Cessna 172Ps, not R models. I looked in a Cessna 172P manual at the labelled picture of the controls and dashboard and only found a fuel selector knob on the floor at that location. I realize how you can prime an injected engine in the manner shown in the video.
idouglas1304 9 months ago
@idouglas1304
Aha. I see what you mean. This is simply one of the oops moments that I mention in the disclaimer. I was trying to go through this quickly (and was still kind of new at it) to make it fit into my speech, there are a few other dumb little mis-speaks in there as well. I was probably thinking IN and said closed, but it WAS open, and should be OPEN.
iflyc77 9 months ago
@iflyc77 OK, thanks for clearing that up. I should have been more precise; the moment in the video I mean is at about 1 minute 1 second.
idouglas1304 9 months ago
@iflyc77 A slightly off topic question re Cessna 172 airspeed indicators: As you go clockwise around the dial from zero, you encounter the first white arc, for the safe flap speed range. Then you encounter a secon white arc, with some numbers (120 and 140) on it. What is this second arc about, and what is its function? Then regarding the altimeter: Just below the altimeter dial's centre there is a piece-of-pie shaped white cross hatched area. What does this area indicate?
idouglas1304 9 months ago
@idouglas1304
I think what you are talking about on the ASI is the window that you can use to calculate True Airspeed. I'm not sure what you are talking about on the Altimeter. I think it might just be text on the face of the instrument that you can't see on this low-resolution camera.
iflyc77 9 months ago
@iflyc77 I did a google search for "Cessna 172 altimeter" and there are some good clear high resolution photos of this instrument, with the piece of pie shaped crosshatched area clearly shown below the dial's centre. I just assumed that since you fly Cessna 172s so often that this part of the dial would be familiar to you. But thanks for the replies so far; I did not know those things about the 2nd white arc on the ASI and the 10,000 foot increment hand on the altimeter.
idouglas1304 9 months ago
Honestly where in the hell did you learn to fly? Oh thats right from a book and by real pilots, MIXTURE ALL THE WAY IN on start up, Why do people not do this. The way your doing will leave you with a dead battery on a hot day!. I own a bonanza and have 1300 hours but i was taught the old way to fly what do I know.
planedoc84 9 months ago
@planedoc84
How do mixture position and temperature effect battery life? I am now a CFI/CFII/MEI with 1500 hours btw and still do this and teach this on fuel injected engines, which your bonanza may or may not have. If you don't understand that this airplane in the video is a fuel injected airplane and you are thinking about carburetor airplane procedures, you sound pretty stupid right now.
P.S. "planeDOC84" owning a Bonanza....lol. Stay safe and try not to support the Doctor Killer name
iflyc77 9 months ago
@planedoc84
and btw, I did not learn from a book. I didn't read the books until I had to start teaching and referencing from them. I did not even own a copy of the PHAK/AFH until after I was a commercial airplane pilot, and have passed all of my 9 FAA check rides easily and on the first try.
iflyc77 9 months ago
@iflyc77 A third slightly off topic question about Cessna 172 altimeters: There are two clock-like hands; the small one is a coarse hand and the big hand points to 100s of feet. However, there is a third hand which starts out wide and straight at the dial centre, gets narrow and straight towards its end, and then ends with an inverted triangle. Also, this hand always points up more or less. What is this hand for, and what does it indicate?
idouglas1304 9 months ago
@idouglas1304
That one would be ten's of thousands of feet. For example, at 10,000 feet, the other two hands would be at the 0, this indicator would be at 1.
iflyc77 9 months ago
Hey how old were you when you got your licence? im 15 turning 6 this year and am going to flight school next year.How much did yours cost and is that your plane ?
00Crazymonkey 10 months ago
OMG
is it that easy???
crazyhamster51 10 months ago
Did I see you in an issue in FLYING magazine? There was a 17 year old kid who looked like you and was standing in front of a Piper J-3 Cub.
shuttlecommander 10 months ago
@shuttlecommander
Wow. I can't believe that you could recognize me from that. haha. It was the back page of the Aug. 2007 AOPA Flight Training and they did a "Why We Fly" article on me. I was actually only 16, the 17 was a misprint.
iflyc77 10 months ago
Wonderful Video. I remember being 13yrs old and helping my Dad with his math for his pilots lic. It's some of the most precious memories i have of My Dad. TY Blessings
moonglow482004 11 months ago
You forgot the live magneto check during shut down. This poses a safety risk for others on the ground with a 'live prop'. Check magneto's are being earthed pre-take off ( from 1000 RPM and see it drop 50-100 RPM for both left and right magnetos, otherwise it's still firing, still live prop and can cut cut your fricken hand off! No more flying for you. Think of that as you chew your gum next time. And don't rush the checklist, a responsible and professional pilot never does.
dougieboy28 11 months ago
frick!! the camera lady missed the most important part!! when he started crankin it over, they missed him pushin the mixture in slowly and only once it started to pop and crank over the give it some fuel....:P
acballerr 11 months ago
with fuel injected engines mixture cutoff works best
yellowcub86 1 year ago
Funny when I was learning to fly I knew most every thing once we got going but it took me forever to learn how to start lol
tnhl77 1 year ago
hot chick naked on Cessna lol:)
iryan74656 1 year ago
This would've gotten a terrible grade in my speech class...
CincoSnare76 1 year ago
0:07 is that a 367 skymaster in backround?
TheBombardierq400 1 year ago
never knew starting up could be so badass. (no sarcasm i really thought so)
GMSamuelRhine 1 year ago
next time dont forget to mention the brakes lol.
andy171171 1 year ago
that was pretty well done, obviously knew what you were talking about. I do enjoy the r model they're heaps of fun
ellzyss 1 year ago
I think the biggest crime here is starting with the throttle overly cracked
warriorpa28flyer 1 year ago
Good job. One tip I was taught on shut down though was to turn the key to off, then on again to make sure the mags cut out. Then shut down the engine as you did with the mixture knob. Thay way you know the mags are indeed off when the engine is off.
jpatt1000 1 year ago
@jpatt1000 deadcut maybe
dgunnerz1 1 year ago
I didn't hear any live-mag check (i.e. move key momentarily from BOTH back to OFF then back to BOTH) done in shutdown steps. We always do a live-mag check to ensure prop cannot start accidentally (after shutdown) if prop unintentionally moved with mag not properly grounded.
born2flyifr 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure it's mixture rich then ignition, in my 172 checklist that's what it says.
TheFsReview 1 year ago
@TheFsReview
Your 172 must not be fuel injected then
iflyc77 1 year ago 2
@iflyc77
i dont fly a 172 but i got a checklist to use in flight sim.
i fly a 150 bcause i still a student pilot. i want a 172 though
TheFsReview 1 year ago
@TheFsReview
That makes more sense then. FS doesn't simulate the priming process at all, so the engine wont start with the mixture at idle cutoff. The real one does because we are priming the engine with the fuel pump, letting the engine start off of just that primed fuel, then introducing the normal fuel after start-up
iflyc77 1 year ago
@iflyc77 well its a real world checklist for a flight sim C172, not fuel injected but it you can prime the engine
TheFsReview 1 year ago
@TheFsReview
Ok, so because it is NOT fuel injected, YOU WOULD start it with the mixture rich, and use the "plunger" primer. The C172R and later is FUEL INJECTED, meaning that it is primed with an electric fuel pump, and started with the mixture at idle.
Is it the Carenado 172? (I used to be a huge FS nerd, look at some of my other videos. haha) The priming knob moves (and the aux pump switch in the default/Flight1 172) but it doesn't change the way that the engine starts at all in FS.
iflyc77 1 year ago
@iflyc77 i use both the carenado and the default.
TheFsReview 1 year ago
@iflyc77 The Cessna 172R or the SP both don't have a Plunger/Primer.
spence959 1 year ago
@spence959
I know. Neither does the S. What's your point?
iflyc77 1 year ago
@TheFsReview im a student pilot and i fly 172's...in the video he mentioned fuel pump on, thats why he did mixture then ignition...in the model i fly, the 172P its an older model, so it is not fuel injected but it uses gravity to pull the fuel out of the wings...in that case the mixture is rich then the ignition.
LittleDrummer55 1 year ago
well done, and lesson learned
stealhty1 1 year ago
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starting up a cessna at the first try is like trying to get ass from your gf when you feel like it. its a matter of luck
darwin188 1 year ago
starting up a cessna at the first try is like trying to get ass from your gf when you feel like it. you have to be lucky.
darwin188 1 year ago
Clear prop before master switch on bud.
636Castle 1 year ago
Who ever taught you that didn't know what he was doing. When they hear clear prop, its universal for engine about to come on.
ejuoi 1 year ago
@ejuoi The master switch energizes the circuit that engages the ignition, therefor as a safety precaution, you yell clear prop before turning it on as well. So there you go, lol :)
636Castle 1 year ago
Not a bad job -a good start and stop!!
bonjovibob 1 year ago
hahaha you never took off the pitot cover lol
youngestpilotinGa 1 year ago
Wow u prime for ages. on a cold start u should only need about 4 secs. but i guess it might be different for ur 172. u also forgot to to your dead cut checks to make sure ur mags aren't fucked
colboyhell 1 year ago
Wow...very interesting, and quite a skill..thank you! (I think I'll stick to starting my car!)
Edselorganist 1 year ago
Remember the pitot cover before the start up :)
amgiad 1 year ago
Your gonna flood the engine one day. Its suppost to be Fuel Pump on Mixture Rich, fuel flow as read in the indicator, Mixture Cut Off
slider116 1 year ago
what year model
TheAppleMan100 1 year ago
4 seconds is all u need to run fuel pump
Bruette44 2 years ago
Actually, N723PG is a 1998 172R, with an Lycoming I0-360-B1E. The B1E is rated at 180hp at 2700 rpm.
cessnapilot05 2 years ago 4
Thannnnnnnnnnnnk You Mike. haha
iflyc77 2 years ago
Actually they were produced with both. This one just happens to be 180.
iflyc77 2 years ago 13
big red knob.
UHUHUHUHU
zildjiandrummr12 2 years ago 2
Man you left that fuel pump on for a long time. We go mixture full rich, fuel pump on, looking for 5 (only takes a couple seconds), fuel pump off, mixture idle cutoff, throttle open just a hair, mags to start, when the engine starts mixtures goes to full rich then we lean it accordingly.
slowmocrow 2 years ago
It's a little more complex than starting the C150... In the 150 you turn the master on, magnetos both, mixture full rich and then you engage the starter... Wouldn't the engine have a hard time starting if the mixture is on cut off (Or very lean)...?
crazypilot123 2 years ago
No because the engine is primed.
slowmocrow 2 years ago
Holy smokes....is it necessary to have the fuel pump on that long?
NSB6485 2 years ago
kymiller, you also start c172 with fully rich mixture, after you start the engine you should lean the mixture alittle bit , it igives a high performance to the aircraft and uses less fuel plus, if you didn't lean the mixcture after starting the engine, the sparkplug may not spark due to the plenty of fuel ..
binnagi 2 years ago
depends on the model 172. On the sp you run up the mags until the prop catches then you push in full rich mixture.
bananasfoster2 2 years ago
I've never heard of this method before. Rich mix on carb model yes, but I fly R and SP models, both start with ICO until the fuel catches.
tasev1 2 years ago
Fuel injected 172's are started from mixture ICO..
sometimes especially in the winter up here, people will flood them, and when that happens, after waiting a bit you can crank with full mixture.. sometimes opening the throttle more, or gently pumping it helps a bit too
cloudinvader 2 years ago
I fly a 152 with the exact same color scheme as the one in the background at the end. N48990.
ritualghost 2 years ago
Nice. :)
I <3 152's.
jetfighter2011 2 years ago
Why is it that the 152 I fly you start it with full rich mixture but on a 172 you don't? Anyone know?
KyMiller0593 2 years ago
When your flying below 3500 feet you use full rich, except if it's super cold or hot(I can't remember if you use full rich when it's cold or hot but nevertheless it's one of the two). Then as you get higher you can lean it out more and more.
jetfighter2011 2 years ago
172's with fuel injection engines start with mixture lean until it catches. The older carb models start with full rich mix.
tasev1 2 years ago
yep
ILOVEBEECHCRAFT 2 years ago
The thing about the electric fuel pump is that you only need to turn it on long enough to see the fuel flow needle jump. Whatever works, though.
innosmarto 2 years ago
Nice job pimp.
swedishvolvo 2 years ago
not exactly how i learned to start the plane, but as long as you get in the sky and your doing fine its all good.
Singnature12 2 years ago
you're right, i made a fool out of my self, i just thought it had a carburator. my mistake.
gescoboza 2 years ago
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gescoboza 2 years ago
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what?
iflyc77 2 years ago
This particular Cessna he's flying has a Fuel Injection system which mean the engine is primed first then started. By starting the engine with full mixture would flood the engine resulting in a spluttery start up. Get the facts before spouting stupid comments.
ColKlink0 2 years ago
i fly the 172R as well. good plane.
givinguptheghost1988 2 years ago
After watching many videos of idiots starting the 172 with the mixture full rich and leaving it there at idle for many minutes, it's nice to finally see someone use the technique of using the fuel pump to prime the engine and then actually starting the plane with mixture in idle cutoff. It definitley helps avoid fouled plugs. Another kudo that I noticed is you immediatley checked engine gauges after it fired. seems like a lot of people forget that. Good job man:)
Avsfan1118 2 years ago 20
when you say "pay of the plane" Im guessing you mean rent the plane and most places (or atleast in my area) let you rent a 172 for about 100-110 USD an hour
bmxer193 2 years ago
@Avsfan1118 I just started my flight training and my flight instructor has me put mixture full in before starting, could it be because it is an older 172? It is a 1965 C172F, carb, no fuel injection, and it has no fuel pump, just a primer. Just looking for some advice from someone who has been flying longer =)
DerPilotMann 1 year ago
Hi, me again
I don't mean to be rude and its ok if you don't want to tell me but how much did you have to pay for your plane and how old is it?
Thanks
Scorpia12345
scorpia12345 3 years ago
Like the plane, good video
scorpia12345 3 years ago
this is a cool idea for a speach im doing mine on how to preflight a 172 for my english finals
boeing737flya 3 years ago
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you sound like an arrogant pilot the way you sigh in the beginning, but other than that shweet vid dude
you0are0an0idiot 3 years ago
thanks?
I was just out of breath from talking fast, I had to keep the whole speech under 7 minutes, so I needed to make it go as quick as possible really.
It still ended up being 10 i think. lol
iflyc77 3 years ago
haha, sry yeah my comment made me sound like a jerk.
you0are0an0idiot 3 years ago 2
Sophmore cololege ore highschool?
gangstabrutha 2 years ago
high school
iflyc77 2 years ago
Would been funner to show the entire startup, run-up and maybe a take off. 7 minutes... you could have done some fancy editting. Reherse your checklists and do'em or at least say them very quick. Fun times :)
jmitterii2 3 years ago
lol, "Justin over there having fun" :P
PSPmaster321 3 years ago
Nice! you must know a lot about planes now if u havent already know about that planes. I know quite a bit about planes. I fly and stuff its pretty fun!!
joerox135 3 years ago
yeah totally
flyboy2192 3 years ago
so confusing with the pump...lol.
i like shooting a couple of primes, push the mixture in, and away we go!
ki4kwf 3 years ago
just imagine....trim tab wedged between the seats with no trim meter...flaps are non electric hand brake 1920's style.....throttle is like a jet....yet the piper PA28 is a piston engine....cessnas are airplanes...i do like the beech sundowner with respect to the low wings. Get a cessna 152!
dpgtime 3 years ago
Yeah thats all i could think it could be...I have never flown a 172R only the 18th century 172's. P.S. Pipers are dangerous planes and a hazard to society...don't fly them.
dpgtime 3 years ago
the leaning of the engine before starting the engine was done because the 172R has a fuel pump?...is that why?
dpgtime 3 years ago
Right. It's fuel injected. There's no primer.
BTW, the R model is 160HP, S model is 180HP.
fishdude841 3 years ago 2
Anyways after all is said and done or not done. Nice plane and have fun. Thats what its all about
rickyd3654 3 years ago
No sorry i was kinda unclear. Mag grounding check. You didn't perform one before Mixture: ICO
rickyd3654 3 years ago
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shutdown checklist includes mag check buddy
ripvanjo 3 years ago
no it doesnt.....it includes an optional grounding check, and i dont even think THAT is printed on the checklist.
capceo 2 years ago
I think you forgot something yet I don't have sound(No speakers) But I thiiiinnk you forgot your mag check. Is it your plane ? Cause you didn't note the time.
P.S im just asking kindly. Don't bark back
rickyd3654 3 years ago
haha do tell?
notyou 3 years ago
you're such a homo curt ahha
and DA40's are better!!!
notyou 3 years ago
nice video! where did you get your private?
Ebs752 3 years ago
dont wanna be an ass but i think you left the fuel pum on for too long. that can eventually cause an engine fire. I only use fuel pump like 5 secs max
unkepthope 3 years ago
why
fuel pump does nothing when the mixture is lean, it only has an effect when he advances the mixture to rich, thus 5 seconds max.
but im sure you know that!
notyou 3 years ago
you are right, but if i may share something..thx, the c-172 xp II that i fly, you gotta hold on to that fuel pump switch, so your reaction would be to do it in a faster manner, plus, he did a hot start, and if he is doing a hot start cause the engine is still hot, then he shoudnt use that much fuel pump, thats my opinion, there is already fuel in the lines...you only need a little bit.
unkepthope 3 years ago
Zildian drummers are radcore.
And good vid man. 172R's are the shiz.
jayeveringham 3 years ago
Hell yes. Right on.
zildjiandrummr12 3 years ago
Cool balz.
zildjiandrummr12 4 years ago