I've always been a proud Democrat because of how the party is so diverse, and reaches out to moderates and Third Way supporters... but this goes way over the line. We cannot let people like Bob Casey weaken the fundamentals of our party. People look to us for support when it comes to reproductive health, so that one may not be judged and imprisoned for making a life-changing decision.
Throw out the fakes. Vote for primary challengers to get the DINOS out of office.
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is someone wanting to have an abortion, or any elective procedure for personal convenience does not have a medical need, so there for this is not about needing health care! Now I will tell you this one, and that is you do not want unborn children to have any legal protection from the way you are talking, and this is the truth that when you know the facts full well since you are not pro life then after you know all of the facts you are anti life!
@kjbhlogkh I do not want legal protection for fetuses because they are not eligible for it. Human beings are capable of independent existence, whereas fetuses are not. That's a fact. Women are entitled to the health care they want for whatever reason or convenience, be it an abortion are otherwise.
@VoiceHunter The word fetus is latin for young one, the truth is that you have not heard about the science of fetology, and you most certainly do not know about a medical practice that is done known as fetal surgery. Now this is something that is the truth, and that is yes with all of the information that is available it is a fact that life begins at conception, and yes it is absolutely true that every human embryologist in the world knows exactly what is the truth about the beginning of life!
@kjbhlogkh Just because it's derived from a Latin word (like most words in English are) doesn't mean it's scientific fact. The point is, fetuses are not capable of independent existence. That is- read this carefully now, unless they can survive without direct, biological, and physical nourishment, that being is not an individual and relates closer to that of a parasite. Banning abortion would just needlessly expand government power.
@VoiceHunter You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to scientific facts, because you have not paid any attention to anything that is the truth when it comes to any biologist! Now you talk about a parasite, and the truth is that forensic science has rejected that notion about the individual you are talking about, because when it comes to what you said about physical nourishment is about how someone is just fine with not letting nature take its course!
@kjbhlogkh A parasite is still something that feeds off a host. Therefore, it is not an individual, which most anti-choicers argue that it is. Letting nature take its course corresponds with letting people make their own decisions.
Giving the states the right to outlaw abortion is to give the states the right to oppress. If people voted to ban abortion, then that would be a vote to take away rights from women, and it would target low income families. We have enough of that stuff.
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is the being you are talking about is an individual, because all the of the medical information proves it is! Now I am tired of this lying about people being anti choice, because you are anti life, which is a fact, and I am tired of people like yourself talking about how it is okay to deny someone their right to life, because of being low income! No this is not about a so called woman's right to an abortion, it is an abortionist's right to kill!
@kjbhlogkh Uh, no. The medical information proves that the fetus in a specimen which only survives if it leeches off another source. No, I am not anti-life. I just believe government is too big in this country, and we sacrifice enough liberties for "life" as it is. I support CHOICE, not bloated government. We don't need discriminatory, anti-woman laws like the ones you and the anti-choice lobby fight for.
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is you have not read any reputable medical information, because what you are saying contradicts all of what has been proven in medical schools, and pro lifers are not anti choice, for you are lying about this matter! There choices that are right, and there are choices that are wrong, and the truth is that the baby you are talking about can never have a choice with all of these lies that are being spread!
@kjbhlogkh You don't need to go to medical school to know that fetuses cannot exist independently.
Perhaps this particular choice does not meat the definition of "right" to you, but to many women, it does. This is the exact reason why it has to be kept legal: there are so many viewpoints on the morality of this. That is why morality simply can't be legislated. Pro-choicers allow women to DECIDE if it is right or not, whereas anti-choicers arrogantly want to make the decision for other people
@VoiceHunter Get this straight abortion is murder, because the child in the fetal stage is alive, and yes you are talking a living human being, and stop calling pro lifers arrogrant, because people like yourself are the arrogant ones! Now I want you to talk about how there are babies who have survived abortions, and you will not say one word about that, because of the fact that you are in complete denial about this issue! Now I am tired of all of this lying that you tell everyone!
@kjbhlogkh YOU ARE LOSING THIS ARGUMENT. It would only be murder if someone were to take the life of somebody who is completely and PHYSICALLY INDEPENDENT. NO, I am not arrogant, because, AS I HAVE SAID, arrogance is when somebody legislates their personal views on a controversial and moral issue. Choice allows women to judge whether or not abortion is right, then act on it.
@VoiceHunter You are dead wrong, because you only go with your so called politically correct sources for medical science, and you are lying about what you said about how it is only murder when somebody is completely and physically independent! Yes you are arrogant, because you deny the basic science that has been undisputed, and all this junk about choice does not make abortion a right choice at all! Now yes something can be done about this so talk about the baby's body!
@kjbhlogkh Scientists don't have it all figured out. Many things in the scientific community are still debated and not agreed upon by a significant majority.
That so-called "body" is property of the woman, because she is biologically responsible for the care and nourishment and aide in development.
No debate, eh? Okay, thank you for conceding the argument. I knew you'd come to your senses, at one point. :)
@VoiceHunter I have read what you said about scientists, and you are wrong, because you are talking about scientismnists, and scientologist, not scientists, and scientific researchers with what you wrote! Now I will tell you that all of what you said about the so called body is a lie, because that is not part of the woman, and you are talking about another life! Now you said that I you knew I'd come to my senses, because this is the truth, and that is I came to my senses a long time ago!
@kjbhlogkh You just said there was no debate, putz. That's pretty much another way of saying "I lost."
Okay, pal. So where do fetuses develop? They sure as hell don't do it in their bedrooms. If a baby is in the placenta, another part of the woman, THEN IT IS A PART OF THE MOTHER. No independence, no legal protection. And it really doesn't matter if that fetus is alive or not, because as I said before, not everything that's living is guaranteed its own rights.
@VoiceHunter Get this straight I was talking about how there was no debate in the medical field about the unborn being human, and I will tell you this you have to believe that somene must have four arms, four legs, two genitals, and the truth is that this not the case with the unborn child, which you do not give any thought to! Now you are wrong to say that then the child in the utero is part of the mother, and yes the uborn are entitled to legal protection!
@kjbhlogkh There is plenty of debate in science. That's one of the reasons why asking big government to imprison women and doctors based off the observations of some political lobby- not individuals- would be wrong. As long as that child is feeding off of nourishment provided directly by the mother and is only capable of existing because of that direct connection, it is part of the mother. Independent existence requires freedom from direct bodily nourishment provided by the host.
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is you are not talking about any source that is of legitimate science, which will tell the facts! Now all people like yourself ever do is justify any bogus explanation for denying a group of people the right to life, and the truth is that without the right to life there are no other rights. Now you talk about some political lobby, as though all of these so called reproductive health care groups are not some political lobby, which is the truth!
@kjbhlogkh The right to life and nonexistent right to potential life are very different. And look at yourself. The anti-choice lobby keep justifying bogus explanations so that they can expand government and throw more people in jail, just like they did with the other liberties Americans used to enjoy which are now gone for the sake of "preserving" life.
There are good lobbies and bad lobbies. The anti-choice lobby uses much more lies and tricks to sway votes than pro-choice ones.
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is you are lying about what you said about the people you label as anti-choice, and you call certain people that, because the term is convenient, which you know is true! Make no mistake about this one, and it is the truth that without the right to life there are no liberties, and that is a fact! Now the truth is that the pro life people are not being dishonest when they open crisis pregnancy centres so stop spouting all of these lies!
@VoiceHunter You said that because of independence that determines legal protection, and the truth is that it does matter if the fetus is alive, because you are talking about living human life being guaranteed their own basic rights! It does not matter if the baby is in the placenta, because you are talking about what sustains a separate life from the mother, and that is a fact! As for independence then it is just fine to deny other groups of people their own basic rights from what you said!
@kjbhlogkh But like I said, not everything that is living is guaranteed life. That includes fetuses who lie somewhere in between human being and parasite.
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is there is absolutely nothing in between a parasite, and a human being. because that is a lie by all these creeps that are committing medical fraud. so stop telling me all of these lies! Now I will tell you that a parasite has to do with a disease so get your facts straight, or shut your trap!
@kjbhlogkh Disease? What? Parasite is really just another word for leech. Leeches feed off of a host specimen and exist because it benefits off of another being's existence. A parasite is a parasite, no matter what species it applies to.
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is you are not talking about an infectious disease, the truth is that you are talking about a human life, which is what you are evading! Now I will tell you this one, and that is someone like yourself does acknowledge any of what just so happens to done in the field of forensic science, which will tell you that what you are saying is absolutely contradictive! Now I want you to see for yourself what goes on inside the abortion industry, which is the truth!
@kjbhlogkh Buddy, you're losing the argument here. You've been on that track for a while. It doesn't matter if it's a disease or human or whatever. A parasite is a parasite.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heard it all before. I know what goes on in the "evil abortion industry." More lies, and more propaganda. The anti-choice have nothing to say when their dishonest crisis pregnancy centers get busted, though.
@VoiceHunter Now I will tell you that being that I did come to my senses a long time ago will tell you that I never had to question anything about the development of the unborn child, and I will tell you this one, which is that you cannot separate personhood from an innocent human being no matter what stage of life anyone is in! Now there is a clear consensus that is unanimous when it comes to fetology, and human embryology as well! So there for you have not come to your own senses by any means!
@VoiceHunter Yes morality can be legislated when it comes to a baby's right to life, and I will tell you that someone who is alive can have many choices, however when you want people who are concerned about human life to fund abortion with their taxes, then you are saying that the rights of those people are not important, which is a lie, because I will tell you this about the so called legal definition of person is a lie, because nothing that is dead grows!
@kjbhlogkh Babies have a right to life, and fetuses do not. Babies are independent beings. It isn't that the fetuses are alive or not, but not everything that lives is guaranteed life.
Sanctity means holy. If you're against abortion because you believe there is such a thing as "sanctity of life", then your political beliefs conflict with the Constitution. There is a right to life, yes, but there is no right to potential life.
@VoiceHunter I do not care about what you said about how someone did not go to medical school, because that is not the point, and all you ever do is spout your bit about people being anti choice, since it sounds good! Now I have this to tell you, and that is people like yourself are not against other groups of people being the targets for death, because we have as of now come to where there are people advocating for infanticide, and that is just okay with you!
@kjbhlogkh Low income women would feel the affects of anti-choice laws the hardest. We would also go back to the days before 1973, when women had to illegally obtain abortions, and risk jail, as well as losing their lives, for the sake of medical care. An abortionist has as much right to perform abortions as a plastic surgeon to perform their procedures.
@VoiceHunter Now I will tell you this, and that is a plastic surgeon can be legitimate when it comes to someone who was in an accident, or who has burns from a fire, however this business of just having it for personal convenience is not right at all! Now I want you to carefully examine the what is written about people who are the ones that become the actual abortionists, for you do not research that one at all!
@kjbhlogkh Who are you to decide what reasons people should be getting medical procedures for, you little statist?
Okay, pal. First of all, actually look over your comments and revise them before posting them; I'm sick of deciphering what you're trying to say. Secondly, I've read many things that abortionists have written. They all want us to trust women with their decisions. It's a pretty simple philosophy.
@VoiceHunter Now there is reliable information about how many legal abortions there were back in 1963, as oppose to the number in 1973, and that what you are saying is a falacy, because you are not telling the truth about what has been contrary to the information that I am reading! What you are telling me is that there is no reason for anyone to acknowledge the sanctity of human life, which is what you do not want people focus on!
@VoiceHunter Yes you are right about what you said about legal abortions before 1973, unless it was incest, rape, or the life of the mother which are extremely rare! Now I will tell that you said the sanctity of life is a religious ideal, that is a lie, and I will tell you this one that you did not account for, which is life, and death are secular {meaning non religious}, and yes the first right in the declaration of independence is the right to life! Now I will tell you it's not mine or yours!
@VoiceHunter The right to life is everyone's right to life, and the truth is that without the right to life there are no other rights, which is a fact that you do not ever talk about , because the truth is taht it is just not convenient, and what you have said is just dead wrong! Yes this is about protecting someone's inalienable right to life, which you do not acknowledge, because of your own convenience, and do not respect that mentality at alll! Now you are all about what is convenient!
@VoiceHunter Now the truth is that even atheists do acknowledge the right to life, and you have not talked about that one at all, and yes it is time that you did start taking a good look at what the facts are, because there many non religious people who are pro life, and you have not talked about any of that at all! This is something that you did not know, and that is there is a group of pro life atheists known as atheists for life that you extremely unfamiliar with, and I am telling you a fact!
@kjbhlogkh Most anti-abortion people are religious, and anybody who uses their religious affiliation to make a point obviously doesn't understand the Constitution. There IS NO right to potential life.
@VoiceHunter This is not about religion, and this is a fact there is no potential life, for life does begin at conception, because this is a fact that nothing that is dead grows, and yes I do understand the Constitution, and yes it was found on the principle of human dignity, and you do not no what you are talking about that there are no pro lifers, or almost none that are non religious! The truth is that the terms potential life, or potential human being have rejected in the scientific domain!
@kjbhlogkh If it is your personal opinion that life begins at conception, then that is your own opinion. Choice allows women to make their own judgment on that highly disagreeable subject, because scientists still do not know when life begins for sure. No, you're a liar. A bad liar, at that. Potential life hasn't been rejected by anybody. It is quite valid.
@VoiceHunter The entire issue about outlawing abortion would be decided at the State level, and if the people in that State want to do it, then you have nothing to say about it! Now this is something that you have never grasped the merrest inkling about, and that is yes the entire issue of abortion does get on a higher level beyong this so called women' s rights, because yes the truth is that abortion is the modern day FRANKENSTEIN!
@VoiceHunter Now this something that I read about how you do not want legal protection for a someone who is in the fetal stage of development, and you said that a fetus is not alive, which is an outright lie, because nothing that is dead grows, which proves that only what is alive grows, and that is a fact! Now I am going to tell you this one, and that is I do not care if you are a male or a female, medical care is not for convenience, no matter what the elective surgical procedure may be!
@kjbhlogkh Plenty of medical procedures are for convenience, are you retarded? Ever hear of breast enhancement? Penile extensions? Nose surgery? You have no right to deprive somebody of a medical procedure that they want, and you have no right to get big brother government in to force a woman with prison if she does not sacrifice her body for the sake of preserving life.
@VoiceHunter No I am not retarded, however you are, and I am against all of these elective procedures that I have referred to, and I will tell you this, and that is wrong about what you said about taking away someone else's right, when it is a known fact that there are serious problems when it comes to purely elective procedures, and make no mistake about this one that a doctor who does can end up in serious trouble!
@kjbhlogkh You still don't understand. People are entitled to receive the medical care they would like, no matter what the reason. Ah, yes. A doctor CAN end up in serious trouble, and that's what we'd be seeing in your vision of America: criminalize him, imprison her, fine that doctor, litigate that doctor, prosecute that woman. Lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, all for disturbing some bundle of cells. Given the choice between that and, perhaps, a SMALLER GOVERNMENT, I'd pick the latter.
@VoiceHunter Now I this one to tell you, and that is people like yourself who talk about how health care is about this so called whatever reason or convenience have this notion being that someone wants to have a sex change operation, oh that is medical care so that needs to be covered under a taxpayer funded program, well this is something that you need to hear you are dead wrong! Now there are people who were born with both genitals where surgery was needed, however those extremely rare cases!
@kjbhlogkh If it's just fine and dandy for our tax dollars to go to funding wars, which most people are opposed to, then I don't see why tax dollars shouldn't go to funding abortions.
@VoiceHunter Now this is something that people like yourself do not have the facts straight on, and that is wars being funded may not be good which is the truth, however it is not okay to have tax dollars fund abortion, because that is the willful taking of an innocent human life, and there is no question to this fact of the matter that overwhelmingly there are people who vehemenently oppose their taxes being used to pay for abortions! So no it is dandy what you just said to me!
@kjbhlogkh Oh, so war isn't the willful taking of innocent human life? If liberals have to fund a war they're dead set against, then conservatives should have to make up for it and fund something they're dead set against.
@VoiceHunter Now being that I had mentioned about how there are extremely rare cases where someone is born with both genitals, the vast majority of cases are where someone just wants to have this kind of surgery that I have mentioned, because it is convenient to have sex reassignment surgery, and that is just plain wrong! Now I will tell you that people like yourself have some real big problems if you are okay with that kind of junk being covered a National medical care plan which is dead wrong!
@VoiceHunter I have an excellent message for you about reproductive health as you call it, and that is this you have the right to choose to engage in sex, or not engage in sex, however once conception takes place that is the end of it, because it is no longer your body, and the truth is that there is now another body! Now I will tell you this one, and that is the entire genetic code is complete at fertilisation so there for that is what is the truth! So there for there is no debate!
I'm a pro-life Democrat and proud of it. Also I perfictly happy to offend those who say it a womens right to choose. Because it not there right. Nobody has the right to murder, and that's all abortion is.
Yeah this obviously has some Pro-choice bias. The Democratic party is reaching out to Pro lifers. However all they are doing is being nice to us. They are not doing anything to reduce abortion. Pro-lifers should realize this. The reason for the Pro life movement is not to have Pro choicers "reach out to us". Our main goal is to abolish abortion.
It's too bad that the media often replaces the word "pro-life" with "anti-abortion", but whenever they talk about the other side, they never replace the word "pro-choice" with "pro-abortion".
Yeah, and the people who say "I'm pro choice, not pro abortion." are the same people who call "pro life" "anti choice" or sometimes "anti abortion". So if pro life is anti abortion then pro choice is pro abortion.
@00patty Tell this retard voice hunter that he/she is a liar for telling anyone how someone who is in the fetal stage does not warrant human dignity, and all he/she does is just spout lies, and deny all of the facts that the entire abortion issue does get beyond anything personal, which this person does not even try to look into!
Eh, got more to say.
I've always been a proud Democrat because of how the party is so diverse, and reaches out to moderates and Third Way supporters... but this goes way over the line. We cannot let people like Bob Casey weaken the fundamentals of our party. People look to us for support when it comes to reproductive health, so that one may not be judged and imprisoned for making a life-changing decision.
Throw out the fakes. Vote for primary challengers to get the DINOS out of office.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
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MassLiberal1 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is someone wanting to have an abortion, or any elective procedure for personal convenience does not have a medical need, so there for this is not about needing health care! Now I will tell you this one, and that is you do not want unborn children to have any legal protection from the way you are talking, and this is the truth that when you know the facts full well since you are not pro life then after you know all of the facts you are anti life!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh I do not want legal protection for fetuses because they are not eligible for it. Human beings are capable of independent existence, whereas fetuses are not. That's a fact. Women are entitled to the health care they want for whatever reason or convenience, be it an abortion are otherwise.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter The word fetus is latin for young one, the truth is that you have not heard about the science of fetology, and you most certainly do not know about a medical practice that is done known as fetal surgery. Now this is something that is the truth, and that is yes with all of the information that is available it is a fact that life begins at conception, and yes it is absolutely true that every human embryologist in the world knows exactly what is the truth about the beginning of life!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Just because it's derived from a Latin word (like most words in English are) doesn't mean it's scientific fact. The point is, fetuses are not capable of independent existence. That is- read this carefully now, unless they can survive without direct, biological, and physical nourishment, that being is not an individual and relates closer to that of a parasite. Banning abortion would just needlessly expand government power.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to scientific facts, because you have not paid any attention to anything that is the truth when it comes to any biologist! Now you talk about a parasite, and the truth is that forensic science has rejected that notion about the individual you are talking about, because when it comes to what you said about physical nourishment is about how someone is just fine with not letting nature take its course!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh A parasite is still something that feeds off a host. Therefore, it is not an individual, which most anti-choicers argue that it is. Letting nature take its course corresponds with letting people make their own decisions.
Giving the states the right to outlaw abortion is to give the states the right to oppress. If people voted to ban abortion, then that would be a vote to take away rights from women, and it would target low income families. We have enough of that stuff.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is the being you are talking about is an individual, because all the of the medical information proves it is! Now I am tired of this lying about people being anti choice, because you are anti life, which is a fact, and I am tired of people like yourself talking about how it is okay to deny someone their right to life, because of being low income! No this is not about a so called woman's right to an abortion, it is an abortionist's right to kill!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Uh, no. The medical information proves that the fetus in a specimen which only survives if it leeches off another source. No, I am not anti-life. I just believe government is too big in this country, and we sacrifice enough liberties for "life" as it is. I support CHOICE, not bloated government. We don't need discriminatory, anti-woman laws like the ones you and the anti-choice lobby fight for.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is you have not read any reputable medical information, because what you are saying contradicts all of what has been proven in medical schools, and pro lifers are not anti choice, for you are lying about this matter! There choices that are right, and there are choices that are wrong, and the truth is that the baby you are talking about can never have a choice with all of these lies that are being spread!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh You don't need to go to medical school to know that fetuses cannot exist independently.
Perhaps this particular choice does not meat the definition of "right" to you, but to many women, it does. This is the exact reason why it has to be kept legal: there are so many viewpoints on the morality of this. That is why morality simply can't be legislated. Pro-choicers allow women to DECIDE if it is right or not, whereas anti-choicers arrogantly want to make the decision for other people
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight abortion is murder, because the child in the fetal stage is alive, and yes you are talking a living human being, and stop calling pro lifers arrogrant, because people like yourself are the arrogant ones! Now I want you to talk about how there are babies who have survived abortions, and you will not say one word about that, because of the fact that you are in complete denial about this issue! Now I am tired of all of this lying that you tell everyone!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh YOU ARE LOSING THIS ARGUMENT. It would only be murder if someone were to take the life of somebody who is completely and PHYSICALLY INDEPENDENT. NO, I am not arrogant, because, AS I HAVE SAID, arrogance is when somebody legislates their personal views on a controversial and moral issue. Choice allows women to judge whether or not abortion is right, then act on it.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter You are dead wrong, because you only go with your so called politically correct sources for medical science, and you are lying about what you said about how it is only murder when somebody is completely and physically independent! Yes you are arrogant, because you deny the basic science that has been undisputed, and all this junk about choice does not make abortion a right choice at all! Now yes something can be done about this so talk about the baby's body!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Scientists don't have it all figured out. Many things in the scientific community are still debated and not agreed upon by a significant majority.
That so-called "body" is property of the woman, because she is biologically responsible for the care and nourishment and aide in development.
No debate, eh? Okay, thank you for conceding the argument. I knew you'd come to your senses, at one point. :)
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter I have read what you said about scientists, and you are wrong, because you are talking about scientismnists, and scientologist, not scientists, and scientific researchers with what you wrote! Now I will tell you that all of what you said about the so called body is a lie, because that is not part of the woman, and you are talking about another life! Now you said that I you knew I'd come to my senses, because this is the truth, and that is I came to my senses a long time ago!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh You just said there was no debate, putz. That's pretty much another way of saying "I lost."
Okay, pal. So where do fetuses develop? They sure as hell don't do it in their bedrooms. If a baby is in the placenta, another part of the woman, THEN IT IS A PART OF THE MOTHER. No independence, no legal protection. And it really doesn't matter if that fetus is alive or not, because as I said before, not everything that's living is guaranteed its own rights.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight I was talking about how there was no debate in the medical field about the unborn being human, and I will tell you this you have to believe that somene must have four arms, four legs, two genitals, and the truth is that this not the case with the unborn child, which you do not give any thought to! Now you are wrong to say that then the child in the utero is part of the mother, and yes the uborn are entitled to legal protection!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh There is plenty of debate in science. That's one of the reasons why asking big government to imprison women and doctors based off the observations of some political lobby- not individuals- would be wrong. As long as that child is feeding off of nourishment provided directly by the mother and is only capable of existing because of that direct connection, it is part of the mother. Independent existence requires freedom from direct bodily nourishment provided by the host.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is you are not talking about any source that is of legitimate science, which will tell the facts! Now all people like yourself ever do is justify any bogus explanation for denying a group of people the right to life, and the truth is that without the right to life there are no other rights. Now you talk about some political lobby, as though all of these so called reproductive health care groups are not some political lobby, which is the truth!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh The right to life and nonexistent right to potential life are very different. And look at yourself. The anti-choice lobby keep justifying bogus explanations so that they can expand government and throw more people in jail, just like they did with the other liberties Americans used to enjoy which are now gone for the sake of "preserving" life.
There are good lobbies and bad lobbies. The anti-choice lobby uses much more lies and tricks to sway votes than pro-choice ones.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is you are lying about what you said about the people you label as anti-choice, and you call certain people that, because the term is convenient, which you know is true! Make no mistake about this one, and it is the truth that without the right to life there are no liberties, and that is a fact! Now the truth is that the pro life people are not being dishonest when they open crisis pregnancy centres so stop spouting all of these lies!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter You said that because of independence that determines legal protection, and the truth is that it does matter if the fetus is alive, because you are talking about living human life being guaranteed their own basic rights! It does not matter if the baby is in the placenta, because you are talking about what sustains a separate life from the mother, and that is a fact! As for independence then it is just fine to deny other groups of people their own basic rights from what you said!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh But like I said, not everything that is living is guaranteed life. That includes fetuses who lie somewhere in between human being and parasite.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is there is absolutely nothing in between a parasite, and a human being. because that is a lie by all these creeps that are committing medical fraud. so stop telling me all of these lies! Now I will tell you that a parasite has to do with a disease so get your facts straight, or shut your trap!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Disease? What? Parasite is really just another word for leech. Leeches feed off of a host specimen and exist because it benefits off of another being's existence. A parasite is a parasite, no matter what species it applies to.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Get this straight, and that is you are not talking about an infectious disease, the truth is that you are talking about a human life, which is what you are evading! Now I will tell you this one, and that is someone like yourself does acknowledge any of what just so happens to done in the field of forensic science, which will tell you that what you are saying is absolutely contradictive! Now I want you to see for yourself what goes on inside the abortion industry, which is the truth!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Buddy, you're losing the argument here. You've been on that track for a while. It doesn't matter if it's a disease or human or whatever. A parasite is a parasite.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heard it all before. I know what goes on in the "evil abortion industry." More lies, and more propaganda. The anti-choice have nothing to say when their dishonest crisis pregnancy centers get busted, though.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Now I will tell you that being that I did come to my senses a long time ago will tell you that I never had to question anything about the development of the unborn child, and I will tell you this one, which is that you cannot separate personhood from an innocent human being no matter what stage of life anyone is in! Now there is a clear consensus that is unanimous when it comes to fetology, and human embryology as well! So there for you have not come to your own senses by any means!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Yes morality can be legislated when it comes to a baby's right to life, and I will tell you that someone who is alive can have many choices, however when you want people who are concerned about human life to fund abortion with their taxes, then you are saying that the rights of those people are not important, which is a lie, because I will tell you this about the so called legal definition of person is a lie, because nothing that is dead grows!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Babies have a right to life, and fetuses do not. Babies are independent beings. It isn't that the fetuses are alive or not, but not everything that lives is guaranteed life.
Sanctity means holy. If you're against abortion because you believe there is such a thing as "sanctity of life", then your political beliefs conflict with the Constitution. There is a right to life, yes, but there is no right to potential life.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter I do not care about what you said about how someone did not go to medical school, because that is not the point, and all you ever do is spout your bit about people being anti choice, since it sounds good! Now I have this to tell you, and that is people like yourself are not against other groups of people being the targets for death, because we have as of now come to where there are people advocating for infanticide, and that is just okay with you!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Low income women would feel the affects of anti-choice laws the hardest. We would also go back to the days before 1973, when women had to illegally obtain abortions, and risk jail, as well as losing their lives, for the sake of medical care. An abortionist has as much right to perform abortions as a plastic surgeon to perform their procedures.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Now I will tell you this, and that is a plastic surgeon can be legitimate when it comes to someone who was in an accident, or who has burns from a fire, however this business of just having it for personal convenience is not right at all! Now I want you to carefully examine the what is written about people who are the ones that become the actual abortionists, for you do not research that one at all!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Who are you to decide what reasons people should be getting medical procedures for, you little statist?
Okay, pal. First of all, actually look over your comments and revise them before posting them; I'm sick of deciphering what you're trying to say. Secondly, I've read many things that abortionists have written. They all want us to trust women with their decisions. It's a pretty simple philosophy.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Now there is reliable information about how many legal abortions there were back in 1963, as oppose to the number in 1973, and that what you are saying is a falacy, because you are not telling the truth about what has been contrary to the information that I am reading! What you are telling me is that there is no reason for anyone to acknowledge the sanctity of human life, which is what you do not want people focus on!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh There were NO LEGAL ABORTIONS before 1973, unless they were available to save a woman's life or for cases of rape or incest.
The sanctity of life is a religious ideal. You can't use religion to make laws for people, that violates the Constitution. That argument is invalid.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Yes you are right about what you said about legal abortions before 1973, unless it was incest, rape, or the life of the mother which are extremely rare! Now I will tell that you said the sanctity of life is a religious ideal, that is a lie, and I will tell you this one that you did not account for, which is life, and death are secular {meaning non religious}, and yes the first right in the declaration of independence is the right to life! Now I will tell you it's not mine or yours!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter The right to life is everyone's right to life, and the truth is that without the right to life there are no other rights, which is a fact that you do not ever talk about , because the truth is taht it is just not convenient, and what you have said is just dead wrong! Yes this is about protecting someone's inalienable right to life, which you do not acknowledge, because of your own convenience, and do not respect that mentality at alll! Now you are all about what is convenient!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Now the truth is that even atheists do acknowledge the right to life, and you have not talked about that one at all, and yes it is time that you did start taking a good look at what the facts are, because there many non religious people who are pro life, and you have not talked about any of that at all! This is something that you did not know, and that is there is a group of pro life atheists known as atheists for life that you extremely unfamiliar with, and I am telling you a fact!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Most anti-abortion people are religious, and anybody who uses their religious affiliation to make a point obviously doesn't understand the Constitution. There IS NO right to potential life.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter This is not about religion, and this is a fact there is no potential life, for life does begin at conception, because this is a fact that nothing that is dead grows, and yes I do understand the Constitution, and yes it was found on the principle of human dignity, and you do not no what you are talking about that there are no pro lifers, or almost none that are non religious! The truth is that the terms potential life, or potential human being have rejected in the scientific domain!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh If it is your personal opinion that life begins at conception, then that is your own opinion. Choice allows women to make their own judgment on that highly disagreeable subject, because scientists still do not know when life begins for sure. No, you're a liar. A bad liar, at that. Potential life hasn't been rejected by anybody. It is quite valid.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter The entire issue about outlawing abortion would be decided at the State level, and if the people in that State want to do it, then you have nothing to say about it! Now this is something that you have never grasped the merrest inkling about, and that is yes the entire issue of abortion does get on a higher level beyong this so called women' s rights, because yes the truth is that abortion is the modern day FRANKENSTEIN!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Now this something that I read about how you do not want legal protection for a someone who is in the fetal stage of development, and you said that a fetus is not alive, which is an outright lie, because nothing that is dead grows, which proves that only what is alive grows, and that is a fact! Now I am going to tell you this one, and that is I do not care if you are a male or a female, medical care is not for convenience, no matter what the elective surgical procedure may be!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Plenty of medical procedures are for convenience, are you retarded? Ever hear of breast enhancement? Penile extensions? Nose surgery? You have no right to deprive somebody of a medical procedure that they want, and you have no right to get big brother government in to force a woman with prison if she does not sacrifice her body for the sake of preserving life.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter No I am not retarded, however you are, and I am against all of these elective procedures that I have referred to, and I will tell you this, and that is wrong about what you said about taking away someone else's right, when it is a known fact that there are serious problems when it comes to purely elective procedures, and make no mistake about this one that a doctor who does can end up in serious trouble!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh You still don't understand. People are entitled to receive the medical care they would like, no matter what the reason. Ah, yes. A doctor CAN end up in serious trouble, and that's what we'd be seeing in your vision of America: criminalize him, imprison her, fine that doctor, litigate that doctor, prosecute that woman. Lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, all for disturbing some bundle of cells. Given the choice between that and, perhaps, a SMALLER GOVERNMENT, I'd pick the latter.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Now I this one to tell you, and that is people like yourself who talk about how health care is about this so called whatever reason or convenience have this notion being that someone wants to have a sex change operation, oh that is medical care so that needs to be covered under a taxpayer funded program, well this is something that you need to hear you are dead wrong! Now there are people who were born with both genitals where surgery was needed, however those extremely rare cases!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh If it's just fine and dandy for our tax dollars to go to funding wars, which most people are opposed to, then I don't see why tax dollars shouldn't go to funding abortions.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Now this is something that people like yourself do not have the facts straight on, and that is wars being funded may not be good which is the truth, however it is not okay to have tax dollars fund abortion, because that is the willful taking of an innocent human life, and there is no question to this fact of the matter that overwhelmingly there are people who vehemenently oppose their taxes being used to pay for abortions! So no it is dandy what you just said to me!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@kjbhlogkh Oh, so war isn't the willful taking of innocent human life? If liberals have to fund a war they're dead set against, then conservatives should have to make up for it and fund something they're dead set against.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter Now being that I had mentioned about how there are extremely rare cases where someone is born with both genitals, the vast majority of cases are where someone just wants to have this kind of surgery that I have mentioned, because it is convenient to have sex reassignment surgery, and that is just plain wrong! Now I will tell you that people like yourself have some real big problems if you are okay with that kind of junk being covered a National medical care plan which is dead wrong!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
@VoiceHunter I have an excellent message for you about reproductive health as you call it, and that is this you have the right to choose to engage in sex, or not engage in sex, however once conception takes place that is the end of it, because it is no longer your body, and the truth is that there is now another body! Now I will tell you this one, and that is the entire genetic code is complete at fertilisation so there for that is what is the truth! So there for there is no debate!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago
DINOS. Plain and simple. You can't be a Democrat unless you support a small social government.
VoiceHunter 1 year ago
I'm a pro-life Democrat and proud of it. Also I perfictly happy to offend those who say it a womens right to choose. Because it not there right. Nobody has the right to murder, and that's all abortion is.
southparkfan2717 2 years ago
It's better for a Democrat to support pro-life.....they cherish the culture of life too, just like the Republicans.
TheCrystalyorkSenshi 2 years ago
Yeah this obviously has some Pro-choice bias. The Democratic party is reaching out to Pro lifers. However all they are doing is being nice to us. They are not doing anything to reduce abortion. Pro-lifers should realize this. The reason for the Pro life movement is not to have Pro choicers "reach out to us". Our main goal is to abolish abortion.
MrAbolitionist 2 years ago
Pro-life Democrats.
JonathanCid 3 years ago 3
It's too bad that the media often replaces the word "pro-life" with "anti-abortion", but whenever they talk about the other side, they never replace the word "pro-choice" with "pro-abortion".
TolsmaLMC 3 years ago 6
Yeah, and the people who say "I'm pro choice, not pro abortion." are the same people who call "pro life" "anti choice" or sometimes "anti abortion". So if pro life is anti abortion then pro choice is pro abortion.
00patty 3 years ago 2
@00patty Tell this retard voice hunter that he/she is a liar for telling anyone how someone who is in the fetal stage does not warrant human dignity, and all he/she does is just spout lies, and deny all of the facts that the entire abortion issue does get beyond anything personal, which this person does not even try to look into!
kjbhlogkh 1 year ago