I am with you on everything else in this video but I think you need to take another look at vitamins. Generally that is, not specifically in relation to cancer. Then again, vitamin E has anti-cancer properties. Can you be sure the average diet provides enough vitamin E? Also can you be sure the RDA is actually what your body needs. How many cases of hypervitaminosis are reported each year? How many seriously bad reactions to commonly prescribed drugs are reported each year?
I am not convinced of "rebound scurvy". How many documented cases are there of this? I can think of no biological mechanism for this so the empirical evidence must be very significant. Chronic use of opioids cause a downregulation of the opioid receptors, hence withdrawl syndrome. Vitamins are not like drugs. Why would there be a rebound deficiency syndrome without an ACTUAL deficiency?
The median income for a PhD cancer researcher (at the Associate Professor level) in Texas is $63,000 (texasregister (dot) com). That's after a minimum of 7 years of college and 10 years experience while making less than half that amount.
No-one gets in cancer research for the "Benjamins". We do it because we want to make a difference in the world, to help the sick, and for the love of science. If someone cures cancer, we'll just switch to diabetes or heart disease.
It's RE-mission, not submission. Chemo is NOT usually given daily for life. A typical course might be several weeks or months, followed by monitoring for residual disease.
Car repair companies profit from car break downs. That doesn't require a conspiracy, it's simply that we aren't "designed" to live to 120... eventually you will get a disease that will kill you. Modern medicine can forestall it for a decade or two, but we all die of something.
1. Warburg was nominated for a 2nd Nobel prize in 1944, but it was not awarded to him. PAULING is the ONLY person to receive 2 unshared Nobel prizes.
2. Vitamin C can shave days if not weeks off the length of a cold, in correct amounts. The glass or two of orange juice that you've likely taken would only shave off one hour.
Vitamin C would stand up to repeated testing. Refusing to really test it under valid conditions, and then claiming it "only works in the dark" is false reporting.
2. Moving the goalposts. Vitamin C has been studied for decades, and research on it has the same access to resources as other micronutrients. Those studies that are well executed find only a very modest benefit in normal people, and paradoxical harms in some cases, discussed in the vid. The near-magical properties ascribed to "orthomolecular medicine" are not based on strong evidence.
3. 5:10 [Animals given ascorbate had twice skin cancer rates]: what kind of animals? Most animals can produce their own vitamin C. But humans are among a small number that CANNOT produce vitamin C. This is why mega doses of vitamin C in HUMANS can be very useful. It might be unhelpful in animals capable of synthesizing their own vitamin C. Test humans!
4. 6:30 You jump from discussing vitamin C to discussing toxic buildup up of vitamins B, E, and A. Those claims are not valid against vitamin C.
3. Liver homogenate levels in a mouse, which are "GULO wild type" is about 62 micromolar (Hum Gene Ther. 2008 Dec;19(12):1349-58.) That's certainly not a megadose, more like the recommended dietary levels. Vitamins correct a deficiency, but more of them is not always better.
4. All vitamins have a benefit-dose curve. Sliding to the right on the dose axis does not continue to increase benefit beyond a certain level. In some cases, it reverses direction, vitamin C included.
5. 3:45 "Anyone who has a cure for cancer, but doesn't make it public ... is an evil, corrupt and selfish monster, profitting at the expense of millions of dying people".
And the United States government DOESN'T fit that description? The United States government DOESN'T profit at the expense of miilions of dying people (whom it directly kills), and the United States government doesn't contain evil corrupt selfish monsters? I urge you to look into the current state of Iraq and Afghanistan.
6. Advocates of vitamin C have submitted it for testing, the government REFUSES to objectively conduct such tests. And nobody is selling vitamin C privately for huge profits. But the opponents of vitamin C do sell THEIR medications for personal profits.
7. 7:55 you display a 1979 study that gave 10 grams a day vitamin C to 60 advanced cancer patients with 7 weeks left to live. Show us a study that has made valid tests of mega C, not just moderate doses given when it's too late to save anybody.
"The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the normal population indicates that routine mega-dose prophylaxis is not rationally justified for community use."
The duration reduction was about 8%, which amounts to a "few hours"
B17 is NOT toxic, I and my friends eat 20 apricot kernels a day and we are FINE. It just cures cancer without side effects, but costs very little to an average citizen!
Pure colloidal silver does NOT turn you grey. I drink it everyday and I am fine.
Mega doses of vitamin C cures colds and cancer. IV vitamin C is much safer and more effective than any toxic chemotherapy.
And is more always better? Off course, what's better, eating ONE blueberry or a whole cup?
Ionic silver is actually a very effective and proven topical antimicrobial agent, but it's true that silver is sold and claimed to extreme and crazy levels.
I just witnessed a premonition of that Argyria victim. Popa Smurf can I lick your asss, yah, lick my ass, bitch!!! sing that in your head while you look at his picture lol it rocks.
How the hell did you do that? We need to find a way to make this work in the light and submit this along with an explanation of how it works to a peer reviewed journal. No way it can fail.
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the blood of Jesus is against your luciferian backward psychological tactics that seek to further enslave mankind and keep him dependent on the very ones who seek to. destroy him. SMH! what was the pay off for selling your soul and doing this!!!
Lucifer offered me free ice cream for life. Hey, it was a heck of a deal. Enslavement of manking + my immortal soul in exchange for a pint of "Cherry Garcia" Ben and Jerry's every day... = WORTH IT!
don't bother arguing with Quackwatch inc. It's an old model that was used against free people and now it's cracked in every seam, dissolving in it's own excrement. YAY for freedom NAY for Quackwatch, they are done ..don't worry about them..leave the comments to yourself.
Steven Barrett is an unlicensed Pennsylvania psychiatrist, who, though he failed his psychiatric boards and has been criticized for his lack of expertise by several courts, still claims to often advise the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the FBI, State Attorneys General, HMOs, Consumer Reports, medical journals and state medical, chiropractic and dental boards.
He did NOT fail his boards. He was a practicing psychiatrist, a court consultant in child welfare, and licensed in both San Francisco and Pennsylvania. He has since retired and allowed his license to expire.
Honestly, it doesn't matter. His site prints factual material from primary, cross-referenced sources and he's not selling anything. He's a member of the Center for Skeptical Inquiry along with Michael Shermer and David Gorski.
What Barrett and I share a common enthusiasm for is that belief that treatments should stand up to the burden of evidence for their efficacy and safety. Drugs are regulated and have to pass a series of scientific trials to demonstrate that they are effective and safe. Alt-med does not.
All we want is regulation of irresponsible claims unsupported by evidence. Don't you feel the same way?
Barrett has lost some court cases, true. Libel is hard to prove.
To do proper regulation you need an impartial body.
There is ample evidence the FDA is not such a body anymore.
Yes I agree in a perfect world...things should pass stringent testing, but unfortunately people have a tenancy to cheat and cant be honest especially when money and power are involved....as in the FDA.
BTW I am not advocating conspiracy theories...simply pointing out human tenancies and power corrupting.
Be careful of the excluded middle: there are those of us who feel that the FDA is inadequate to the task as well, but still support stronger regulation of alt-med claims. I'm personally quite opposed to some current practices of pharma, and you can watch my video on the topic, "Big Pharma". I, for instance, would like to see an end to drug commercials. But that does not invalidate medical progress, or vindicate unsupported alt-med products/practices.
The particular case that comes up when I googled your search term is that of Tim Bolen and also Tedd Koren. Tim Bolen was a publicist for Hulda Clark, who ran an unlicensed cancer clinic in Tijuana and promised cancer and AIDS patients miracle cures for about $10,000/week. She attributed all disease to liver flukes. No kidding. She died of multiple myeloma. She was a fugitive from justice, dodging charges of practicing medicine without a license.
Tedd Koren, D.C. is the publisher of a newsletter for chiropractors. He stated falsely that Barrett had been delicensed. Under deposition (available from Barrett's site, or the Allentown, PA registrar), he admitted that had never actually checked the claim, but took it directly from Bolen. His defense in court was that he thought "delicensed" referred to anyone who allowed their license to lapse, as Barrett did when he retired from practice. I call BS.
May well be BS, but there is a mountain of stuff about Barretts absurd claims from some credible people.
I have no vested interest (money etc..) in alternative medicines, but I really laughed hard at some of Barretts claims about chiropractory, acupuncture etc..
I had a chronic bad back and I went to several chiropractors with no results and wasted a lot of money, but I finally found one that worked and he fixed my back very quickly..believe it or not.
There are actually some pretty crazy things that you may not know about acupuncture and chiropractic. I know your own experience was ultimately positive, but I'm much more interest in how chiropractic or acupuncture do when we take them out of the clinic and into the science lab, so to speak.
How do they perform in repeated scientific testing? Short answer: no better than placebo treatment for both. That has me especially skeptical of their claims.
"accepting some one elses report of their findings"
This is a common misconception about scientific studies. One of the hallmarks of good science is that it is repeatable. If a scientist makes a scientific claim in a peer-reviewed paper, others can replicate her work in their own labs. That's why journal articles contain detailed methods sections. I've done this myself many times to confirm a finding.
I don't need to have faith in published data because I can actually replicate it.
Yes, but there is a minor problem with this type of thinking, that is material nature is constantly in flux.
My profession is I am musician (virtuoso level) and I teach modal theory.
Now no performance is totally repeatable, only to a small degree, science likes to confine everything to numbers, I dont disagree with this, but not everything is totally repeatable and not everything is discovered by science either.
If you don't value scientific evidence then it's no wonder we disagree on this issue. We must have very different perspectives which may be our irreconcilable difference.
Given the choice of science-based or shamanism/folk cures, I always choose the science based. It's been a lot more useful to humanity in the last 300 years and folk traditions are full of false beliefs, misinformation and superstitions. Just my opinion.
I never said I dont value scientific evidence...I simply said its not complete or absolute, its a trial and error system, and certain areas are while passed of as science is based on speculation...such as Hawkins view that gravity is the ultimate cause of creation.
Not all ancient or old knowledge is superstition and misinformation either, some is very accurate, depends what you read I guess.
I think it is possible to design systems that are highly resistant to bias. For example, the observer-blinded case-control study prevents the researcher who is making the observation from knowing which group she is testing. Patient blinding prevents the patient from knowing which group they are in.
That's why I insist on double blind clinical studies of all therapeutics, including alt-med. To date, these type of studies do not support effect of acupuncture or chiro beyond placebo.
Koren, it should be noted, is a straight chiropractor under investigation by the FTC for claims he made about chiropractic. Specifically, he said adjustments can fix bedwetting, sore throat, fever, colds, eye problems, and chicken pox in his newsletter, meant to be left in waiting rooms for patients. Do you stand by those claims?
The FTC has argued that any claim beyond back pain relief is unsupported by scientific merits and has classified the newsletter as advertising.
What PERSONAL experience have you had, apart from theoretical?
My father died on the operating table from a minor operation, because the doctors botched it, he didn't even need the operation.
They were never investigated, modern medicine has a license to kill and persons like yourself and Barrett claim they undergo stringent testing and are safe. I say BS!!
I'm sorry to hear that. Was it bariatric surgery by any chance?
You may not hear skeptics speak as loudly against questionable claims by the medical industry, but they are discussed. We just try to avoid being grist for the mill of alt-med propaganda by wording everything very precisely. Evidence based medicine is worth saving.
As an example, if you'll stop by "Bad Science" or "Science Based Medicine" blogs you'll see criticism leveled at alt-med and pharma/med pretty equally.
I agree that evidence based medicine is worth saving.
Democracy is not perfect either, but it's the best we have.
However in my personal experience modern medicine does not have all the answers, and many of the statements made by Barrett are so one sided its ridiculous.
Obviously claims that bed wetting etc...can be fixed by adjustments is a croc!!
Of course I dont agree,they are not my claims...but neither do I agree with some of Barretts absurd claims, such as certain drugs (I will look them up) are safe to use.He's as biased as they come, and is guilty of throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to any alternative cures.because he sees everything in black and white...God and the Devil type of thing, life is simply not like that!
Please do look up specific claims. I want to avoid the hasty generalization. I'm sure you know how hard it is to completely be free of bias. I'm certainly biased in favor of science and science based medicine because I'm a researcher. I put a high hurdle in front of anything that claims magical modes of action. Hence my own skepticism of chiropractic and acupuncture. I also know there is something to alt-med, I just suspect it's 95% placebo effect.
But it got the cancer and did not damage any more flesh, that was 3 years ago, and I have had several biopsies to confirm this.
I have also tested it several times on my own healthy flesh, a little reddening and thats all, no damage.
What Barrett says is totally wrong, however this method is painful, especially on the jaw, but it scars less than surgery and if there are softer options that would be better.
BTW Even MOH's surgery has a lot of failures for total removal of nodular types, the skin cancer forums are full of peoples reports about them.
Barretts is not just a person who likes to see regulation in alt medicinei, he is a rampant scaremonger who sees everything in black and white while hiding behind claims of scientific proof of this and that, while speaking a good deal of rubbish.
Science has done a lot of good thats for sure, but I am not a blind believer in it.
If people that have so much faith in whats concocted in the Lab and so little faith in herbs, diet etc...
Then I put this to you, manufacture one tomato in the lab without the help of nature, eat food from the lab instead of the ground.
I'll bet Barrett would not do it ..ever, yet he denies that any herb can have any healing power, and pushes drugs, this makes him a hypocrite and a bigot in my books.
This is a false dichotomy. I love tomatoes. I had some plants this year for heirlooms. I also work in a research lab. There is no conflict.
Assuming that everything that grows in the ground is safe or effective is not a good rule. Many plants are toxic. The best way to choose which are good and which are not is by the process of empirical testing we call science.
All I'm proposing is that herbs should meet the same burden as drugs. Test them for safety and efficacy.
The example I was giving was simply that all herbs and foods came from nature in the first place..certainly we have to use them by some kind of empirical study.
I am not against drugs, I am against the reckless use of them, I am also against backyard quacks, but not all alt medicine, I have had too much success in this area as a user..
I simply dont buy people like Barrett, he is basically a cut and drug pusher and people like him are as much of a problem as Trudeau is...sorry!!
Again, beware the excluded middle. I am also opposed to over-use or misuse of drugs. I am also opposed to quacks, but not all alt-med.
On what basis shall we demonize Barrett? So far we've established he's against bloodroot (which I've pointed out has caused a lot of harm) and has lost lawsuits, is no longer a licensed psychologist, and is biased for medicine.
Is there some other way that he is causing harm? Is there factual misinformation on his website that you can find?
Youve pointed out..it does a lot of harm? Why would I even listen to you?
I have first hand experience with this, that counters everything you read in your medical books.
Why demonize Barrett? because he is not well rounded in his research, he mentions a couple of dubious cases that fit his agenda in regards to Bloodroot and ignores everything else...as you do.
He mentions nothing about Vioxx and other drugs (known to be dangerous),
He exclusively ignores the countless dangerous drugs that are sold over the counter, this makes me very suspicious.
He well deserves to be demonized, now you see no fault with him, thats your business. Everyone is colored by their own mental outlook and if your view is very close to his, you wont see the distortions in his view whereas to me they are painfully obvious!!
There are so many holes in his approach and its so one sided, he is beginning to look like swiss cheese.
It's a case report of two people who did as you did, they self-medicated with a plant toxin from sanguinarine. Both ended up in the ER with life-threatening conditions.
Arch Dermatol. 2002 Dec;138(12):1593-6.
This one is on the number of people who required hospitalization for self-administered herbal therapies that resulted in permanent tissue damage and in one case death.
What you are using is called the "Deadly Doctor Gambit", and you can watch my video of the same title. In short, everybody dies eventually. The cause of their death is either the condition or failure to treat it properly. To properly compare the risks of medical care, you need to account for the number of people who use it, and adjust for the increase in life span.
At the end of your life, you will likely be in a hospital or nursing home in a doctors care. That's just statistics.
Off course I agree with this...we dont live forever, we have very little control over this.We have some control over our quality of life, for example I dont drink, smoke and have been a vegetarian for over 30 years and and have a good life.
I take responsibility for my life..I dont blindly put it in the hands of others
But I will grow feeble and die just like anyone else.
However what I mentioned above is "premature death" and it happens a lot.
What you are describing is an anecdote that was very persuasive to you. That's an important element of smart decision making: personal experience.
If I told you that I had used Kool-Aid to treat my diabetes and it was completely effective, wouldn't you want more evidence? Likewise, I need to know that it doesn't just work for 1 out of 1000 people (you), and I want to see it work in a large population and I want to know if it causes skin rot after 2 years. See where I'm going here?
I have the feeling that unless its in a medical book you wont accept it, I accept some medical arguments but not all.
I have used Cansema...what you are saying is totally wrong, other than a softened keloid scar I have no problems and I administered it nearly 3 years ago.
Whats more I have several friends that have used it and had the same results.
The cancer forums are full of real people that have had success as well, that counts as some evidence!
The stories of individuals are collectively called anecdotes. If they are well documented, they can be case studies. Unfortunately, these are the bottom rung of the evidence ladder. Escharotics are well known natural chemo drugs. They were used by doctors, along with arsenic and rat poison, warfarin, in the 1880-1920's to remove skin growths. However, they were discarded for less drastic, safer alternatives. You're using an older chemo drug from last century.
Read the case studies on the cancer forums....of course you think they are all bogus or bottom rung.
I gave you my experience and I know several others, my wife laughed when I told you what you said, my own daughter used bloodroot on a diagnosed dangerous pre cancerous mole in her leg, it fell out several days later and the flesh around was not even agitated...plus my own experience and the experience of others.
Not bad for an older chemo drug from the last century.
You see you have the view that everything from the last century is primitive and hackneyed.
Perhaps you may wish to read about Yuhedi Menuin, a child prodigy that conducted the Vienna symphony orchestra at a very young age.
He learned Indian raga music in his later years and declared it too difficult and outside his mental capacity, they use cycles of 108 beats and more...we have difficulty with 4 beats.
They played this music for several hundred years ( a very long history) contd
Bloodroot contains sanguinaria, a chemotherapy agent. It indiscriminately kills animal cells by blocking an ion pump, causing the cells to rupture. All cells in your body are vulnerable to this escharotic. It cannot discriminate between cancer and normal cells.
There are many instances of people with no training charging to administer this "natural chemotherapy" and it has resulted in multiple deaths and disfigurements.
As I pointed out, I have had personal experience in this, I suggest you stop reading your text book or internet blog and get some a put a drop on your little toe...see if it falls off or not...if you dare!!
Do some research on the skin cancer forums...see what peoples experiences are.
Dont just read your med books, your view is very one sided and I dont buy it, not blindly because I have experienced this, seen it on others, and read countless forums.
How many deaths has chemotherapy hastened or caused?
I know of at least 10, I dont know 10 that have died from bloodroot, I have not read about 10 that have died from bloodroot on any of the cancer forums.
I have seen Barretts view, he only pushes one side of the thing, it sounds very convincing to someone not familiar with medical jargon, but it is largely semantics and BS.
What about people like Stanislaw Burzynski? Who actually have cured people of cancer, but have/are being tried for stupid reasons and being put out of business all over the US.
@Gameboob Haha! Are you him, or one of his partners in crime/fraud? Hehe, any claims of "miraculous" or "alternative new-age mumbo-jumbo"-cures are hoaxes. Those darned laws of physics are there for "alternative" people too, not just for serious doctors, scientists and other skeptics, you see.. : )
@winterstellar Um... no. I can tell that you've never heard of him, because he wouldn't be spending his time on YouTube like this... lol, it's sad the way most people lump real cures and hoaxes together -- just in total disbelief of there ever being a cure. He does not claim anything miraculous, it's straight-up science that the FDA doesn't like. Just google him.
I remember Kent Hovind said something about vitamin B-12 curing cancer, but all it really causes is cyanide poisoning, and read a story about a cancer patient who nearly killed herself with it. I'm surprised you didn't mention something like that in this video,
Deep breathing? Chart at 6:52 contains "deep breathing", whats the story behind that? From what I read its mostly for stress relief, and I find that entirely believable. Are there other far flung claims its associated with that earn it a place on the same chart as homeopathy and chiropractic?
ok, you conspiracy nuts need to take a breath. at the very basest level, what do control freaks want? power. whether in the evil fda or the illuminati, or whatever. if there were some "miracle" cure for anything, the FIRST thing these people would do is get it pushed into use and then run around demanding longer terms and more money because, after all, THEY CURED SOMETHING!!
As to miracle drugs, oxygen is not a drug. It is illegal in the US & UK to treat cancer with any substance NOT a licensed drug. Licensed drugs are synthesised, patented, R&D costs 10s of millions for 1 new product. Can't patent it? Suppress it!
Yes, that IS evil & those who DO care about duty to humanity don't have that kind of money
It is naive to assume that those with power and obscene amounts of money & resources at their disposal are always being honest with us
Of course it is. But it is just as naive to assume that the reason we haven't heard about miracle cures is because they are being suppressed.
If they work, then it is the duty of every person who knows of the secret to get it through rigorous third party scientific testing.
That's not what these people do, though. They are flim-flam con artists. They are trying to shortcut the safety and efficacy tests that we put in place to protect us.
Please be more specific. I know lots of folks at the ground level in the FDA. The ones who actually do the work, and none of them are rich, evil, or being pressured to be scientifically dishonest. They produce data, they design experiments, and they publish their results publicly for peer review.
Are there bad bureaucrats in the US government? Oh, most certainly. Does that give you license to dismiss everything the FDA does, or to support non-tested therapies? No.
"The thing that bugs me is that the people think the FDA is protecting them. It isnt. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks its doing are as different as night and day."—Dr Ley former Commissioner of the FDA.
sure, the Parma industry is not interested in any way to discredit non-pharma cures. ok, they get thousands of dollar out of 1 single patient with their "therapy" and nothing if the patient gets a low-cost Cure; but hey the Pharma industry is very honorable and never ever lied in the past, the presence or will ever in the future.
just as truthful and honorable as the US government that everybody love and cherish.
Your comment is biased and therefore has no scientific merit. You fail to mention the FDA employees that dont take bribes, the number of people the live following "very strict oders from their doctors", legit data peer reviewed by legit scientists and doctors, concerned with curing people and not making profits, and so on. Just because he doesn't mention every single point of view in his video, doesn't mean it has no scientific merit.
furthermore, his videos are not targeted at the scientific community. scientists dont try to present arguments to eachother through youtube. This is for the general public, and therefore "scientific merit" is not the primary goal. He is simply trying to explain in a way that everyone can understand that if you make a claim and wont/cant back it up with evidence, you are probably lying.
Or I might not ... my point was that you are an idiot for saying his video has no merit simply because he doesnt put forth all points of view. I dont tell you what scientologists think when you ask me how old the universe is, Im biased ... who cares? hes not publishing a scientific report. Just because "there are several documented cases" doesnt mean every FDA employee takes bribes ... therefore you are only representing one side of the story and are biased. That is what i said NOWHERE did i say
that your point is wrong or inaccurate or false. I simply stated it wasnt complete, and based on your logic, biased. Also, I'm not going to study up on a topic I have no interest in to have a debate with someone that obviously cant even understand a little sarcasm. I don't care about lester crawford or the FDA, i was (to repeat myself yet again, just incase you didnt catch it the first two times) merely using them as an example of how you are not providing all sides to the story either.
I've read that 75% don't. And I know of a lady who had to hide her identity because she was explaining to me how Govt. officials go to her alternative clinics under assumed names. The same low lifes that won't allow the general public to learn about alternative medicines benefit and hold on to only allowing chemo, radiation and surgery are sneaking in to the very clinic they won't support on paper. Sick isn't it?
Assuming your lady exists ... just because someone is a government official, does not mean they are any more intelligent than your average ditch digger. Yes, some are, but not all. Intelligence is not a requirement to become a "government offical". Charisma is far more useful a talent than inteligence for someone trying to be a politician.
and if chemo was dangerous then why would doctors and experts put themselves and their children on chemo when they get cancer? are they trying to kill themselves?
What tests? Clinical studies for drugs are paid for by the drug companies. And there are no double blind studies for most types of chemo. The things young doctors are taught are by old doctors who are controlled by the drug companies. And no one with a natural therapy known to work like ones based on Otto Warburg's theories can afford the millions to get it done. If you actually think big pharma doesn't control what is used and not used for treatments in America you are wrong.
You are referring to FDA drug trials and the NDA process. I am saying third party research on the purported miracle cure.
The progression is:
1. In vitro
2. animal
3. limited human trials (Phase I).
Double blind studies are not always used, for ethical reasons. If a drug offers a substantially better chance of recovery, it would be unethical to make the patients in the control group continue in their treatment. We also need to have informed medical care for the patients.
I notice in your profile that you have a lot of "cure for cancer" videos that rely on testimonials and anecdotes. Why haven't these case studies been published in the peer reviewed literature so that they can be fairly evaluated?
Why haven't the small academic research labs been approached about a systematic and impartial evaluation of these cures? Armed with this kind of data, I'm sure you could find investors to get some more thorough testing done.
Well when my ex-girlfriend cured herself of supposed terminal cancer her doctors at UCLA didn't want to hear how she did it. My friend Dr. David Walker who cured himself and thousands of others whose video I have up here has this all documented with Washington due to them trying to sue him thanks to his protocol costing the pharmaceutical companies millions (because his works). He beat them on all counts. But don't expect any papers or tv to advertise this as they are run by big pharma too.
how about all of the people who have died from cancer. what about the little kid whose parents started him on an herbal regiment after taking him off chemo and he ended up dieing? the thing is, there are4 cancers that sometimes get better on their own or will go away with preventative treatment. but going on here and listing some friends and saying that they did it without doctors is not very smart. do you have expert knowledge about cancer? you are making an assumption about medicine
No, I'm just a film maker who interviews experts and leave it up to whom ever is watching. By all means do what your heart and mind tells you to do. And I'm not trying to be smart. Just providing the things I've seen and if it helps someone so be it.
"An Internet entrepreneur who marketed bogus cancer cures claiming they made other conventional cancer treatments unnecessary has agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that his claims were unsubstantiated. The settlement permanently bars the defendant from making unsubstantiated claims about the health benefits and efficacy of health-related products and services."
In 2001, the FTC and Washington State attorney general sued to stop him. A government investigator reviewed Walkers records and reported that 14 percent of the people using his protocol had died. That means 86% were successful. When the court case ended in 2002, Walker had become one of thousands of individuals and companies whose effective, alternative treatments have been stifled. I agree about lying about cancer. The AMA, FDA and big Pharma that runs them are the scum that you talk about.
um... if 14 % of people on something die, then your 86% success rate means jack shit. 14% death rate from his stuff? only chemotherapy has that high of a fail rate and that makes sense for chemo because it fights CANCER! anything else with a 14% fail rate where the failure means DEATH should be outlawed and put on a rocket and shot into the sun
What ever floats your canoe. If I get cancer I'm going alternative due to the research I've done and people I've met. If you don't agree then go for the Western. You got to do what you believe in your heart of hearts. Godspeed.
i guarantee 100% that if you are diagnosed with cancer then you will start listening to your doctor immediately. trust me. you say what you want now, but if the time comes, and hopefully it never will, but if it does then you will be the first person in my cancer wing. our radiation labs and chemo treatments will be so far in you that you will want to suck out of the radiation tubing. turst me its different when it happens
I made a documentary on how people have cured themselves of cancer so thanks to dozens of interviews with doctors and patients the last thing I would do is chemo or radiation. And only surgery if it was absolutely needed to remove a tumor but i've learned that even most of them can be taken care of with alternative treatment. And I wouldn't go anywhere in America anyway due to doctors not being able to treat me with alternative treatments. Appreciate your passion mine is just in the opposite.
but... the government... and the man want us dead. that way they can make money... its all in a book i wrote myself... i have the proof. the proof is that i have a book where i say it... that is why its only safe to use wheatgrass enemas to cure cancer
Um...no. A 14% fatality rate does not mean an 86% success rate. I had a friend with brain cancer who underwent "successful" surgery - he died 2 years later. Your statistics are meaningless.
The fact is that the FTC shut him down, not the FDA, AMA, or any other group. And he had to pay $229,000 in RESTITUTION to defrauded cancer patients who were victims of his fraud.
Defrauding cancer patients. The lowest of the low.
yeah concordance... you make alot of sense... but i dont care what you say because its all about secret government conspiracies and the "man" trying to get to us. logic and science and critical thinking was created by the corporations and the government to try and keep us sick. IT JUST MAKES SENSE OPEN YOUR EYES! nothing natural can do any bad things at all. everything that grows in the ground is always good. that is why i eat grass every morning
You have converted me completely. I've put on a tinfoil hat, and suddenly I can think clearly. Those evil Belgians can't tap into my consciousness any more. Their Illuminati/alien/evil pharma/CIA signals are being blocked.
With my morning foxglove tea. Along with some hemlock, and some peach pits (mmm, arsenic). And once a week, polar bear liver. Gotta love that all-natural vitamin A.
A brilliant video and an immediate favorite. Altho I still have one question. I have seen an American website claim millions of people have there blood ozonated in Germany. I would be surprised, if that were true. At least on the web, I haven't found any evidence to suggest this isn't just a sales pitch for the U.S. There generally far stricter here about medical issues. Most of these so called medicines from the U.S are illegal here. Where did you find this information? Great video tho!
Hehe I agree once again. There are double standards when it comes to drugs.
But Ritalin DOES have negative side effects for alot of people, so do alot of the other "brain drugs". I suffer from anxiety and the drugs my doc prescribed have all had some sort of negative side effect. I.e "brain tingles", headaches, severe lethargy, severe drowsiness...etc etc
The effectiveness of the drugs aren't proven yet their side effects ARE scientifically proven. So don't they fall under miracle cures?
Benzos and such are a totally different class of drug. There are side effects of amphetamine. Amphetamine is a really classical stimulant. Taking too much amphet HCL is pretty much identical to too much coffee in the side effects.
Basically ADHD is a big struggle and medications do help certainly.
The latest research shows that ADHD is more a delay in timing of the normal unfolding of maturity and they've traced it to a delay in a specific place. Check the national center for mental health and look up ADHD. I could explain the mechanisms in quite a lot of detail.
Crudely speaking, stimulants supercharge the areas that are slower in people with ADHD.
ADHD is probably not pathophysiological in the traditional sense.
It's probably more "heterchrony" a change in the timing of the natural unfolding of development. It's just a quantitative variation like anything else only societies are structured for one calibre of person.
Little concerns like preserving the uniqueness in each once of us lose their novelty when it's yourself that you're dealing with and you've got to grow up and get a job like everyone else
I agree. But why the hell are we prescribing dangerous drugs for something that can be treated by other means?
I agree on the society part as well. But isn't it kind of like brainwashing? Say someone is genetically predisposed to ADHD during childhood, but their brains will naturally change during adulthood, do we really need to prescribe meth?
I think these sorts of drugs can have unforeseeable consequences on the brain, because we don't really understand what it is they really do.
Don't legal "brain drugs" such as anti-depressants, Ritalin etc fall into the "miracle drug" catergory?
Evidence of their effectiveness seems to be more coincidental than clinical. Even the way the work is still being debated. Yet they are being approved by gov agencies and being prescribed to millions of depression, anxiety, ADHD, OCD, etc sufferers around the world.
Yeah I know it "seems" to work. But the problem is does it actually treat ADHD in the long term or do you become dependent on Ritalin every time you need to concentrate?
Also I am not sure whether the science behind the workings of these drugs is accepted by the scientific community or just at a theoretical stage. I am positive its theory.
No clinical trial has proven the effectiveness of Ritalin in the long term for ADHD. Yet here we are selling it in massive quantities as the treatment.
No there's no cure for ADHD or associated spectrums. Ritalin does help though and the whole mechanism is demonstrable. The effect on behavior on the macro scale has been repeatedly demonstrated with double blind tests.
As a kid I was sent home often when my parents would forget to give me it because i'd regress to my normal pattern.
And no i'm not dependent on stimulants I gave them up about 8 months ago cold turkey and was fine.
I'd say that yes i've definitely noticed that I'm growing out of it. It's gradual but marked. Since then i've been playing catch-up for the mistakes i made back then.
There is something to be say for behavioral therapies. Some on the lighter end of the spectrum are able to do it alone with behavior modification.
Me, I've been through it all and have a very severe case.
Many scientific studies on what actually cause ADHD, have given contradictory results. Which suggests to me that it is more of a behavioral problem than a pathophysiology one. I mean yeah you give someone some meth, of couuuurse they're gonna feel better, more in control, etc but does that mean it is actually a treatment for the illness, or like treatment for the symptoms of the illness?
I completely understand what you are saying, but the difference between "brain drugs" and miracle cures is that we have the information to make the decision on. We know quite precisely how the drug works, when it works, what doses are toxic or beneficial, and what many of the variables are in response.
I'm not saying it's GOOD evidence based therapy, just that we have some evidence of what it does. Unlike miracle cures where claims are unsupported by any testing.
but... c0nc0rdance... the government and corporations... they are killing us. the only real trustworthy person is someone who was in jail for credit card fraud and started a company with his cellmate and tells you that "they" want you to be sick because of money. OPEN YOUR EYES! LISTEN TO YOUR VIBRATIONS AND YOUR ENERGIES THAT MOTHER EARTH GIVES YOU!
i will agree with everything you say, if you tell me thats you at 1.45 lol, but seriously what kind of miracle were you expecting from a vacuum cleaner Hee hee....only joking concordance, hope your well :0)
I read through some of Trudeu's book at a bookstore and it was RIFE with bullshit and crap. He actually claimed that animals have more 'natural lives' and never get sick or have heart attacks. Fucking sick bastard.
I am with you on everything else in this video but I think you need to take another look at vitamins. Generally that is, not specifically in relation to cancer. Then again, vitamin E has anti-cancer properties. Can you be sure the average diet provides enough vitamin E? Also can you be sure the RDA is actually what your body needs. How many cases of hypervitaminosis are reported each year? How many seriously bad reactions to commonly prescribed drugs are reported each year?
DrSpooglemon 1 month ago
I am not convinced of "rebound scurvy". How many documented cases are there of this? I can think of no biological mechanism for this so the empirical evidence must be very significant. Chronic use of opioids cause a downregulation of the opioid receptors, hence withdrawl syndrome. Vitamins are not like drugs. Why would there be a rebound deficiency syndrome without an ACTUAL deficiency?
DrSpooglemon 1 month ago
anyone that had a cure for cancer would be hunted down by everyone that gets money from cancer research
just think of it they get billions of dollars for tring to cure it
490er 5 months ago
@490er
The median income for a PhD cancer researcher (at the Associate Professor level) in Texas is $63,000 (texasregister (dot) com). That's after a minimum of 7 years of college and 10 years experience while making less than half that amount.
No-one gets in cancer research for the "Benjamins". We do it because we want to make a difference in the world, to help the sick, and for the love of science. If someone cures cancer, we'll just switch to diabetes or heart disease.
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago 3
@C0nc0rdance look it at this point of veiw
some cancers never go into submission and those poeple have to get treatment every single week for the rest of their life using chemo
chemo is a drug produced by drug companines that profit greatly from non treated diseas
490er 5 months ago
@490er
It's RE-mission, not submission. Chemo is NOT usually given daily for life. A typical course might be several weeks or months, followed by monitoring for residual disease.
Car repair companies profit from car break downs. That doesn't require a conspiracy, it's simply that we aren't "designed" to live to 120... eventually you will get a disease that will kill you. Modern medicine can forestall it for a decade or two, but we all die of something.
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago 4
1. Warburg was nominated for a 2nd Nobel prize in 1944, but it was not awarded to him. PAULING is the ONLY person to receive 2 unshared Nobel prizes.
2. Vitamin C can shave days if not weeks off the length of a cold, in correct amounts. The glass or two of orange juice that you've likely taken would only shave off one hour.
Vitamin C would stand up to repeated testing. Refusing to really test it under valid conditions, and then claiming it "only works in the dark" is false reporting.
MagiMysteryTour 5 months ago
@MagiMysteryTour
1. Correct, and previously noted.
2. Moving the goalposts. Vitamin C has been studied for decades, and research on it has the same access to resources as other micronutrients. Those studies that are well executed find only a very modest benefit in normal people, and paradoxical harms in some cases, discussed in the vid. The near-magical properties ascribed to "orthomolecular medicine" are not based on strong evidence.
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago 3
3. 5:10 [Animals given ascorbate had twice skin cancer rates]: what kind of animals? Most animals can produce their own vitamin C. But humans are among a small number that CANNOT produce vitamin C. This is why mega doses of vitamin C in HUMANS can be very useful. It might be unhelpful in animals capable of synthesizing their own vitamin C. Test humans!
4. 6:30 You jump from discussing vitamin C to discussing toxic buildup up of vitamins B, E, and A. Those claims are not valid against vitamin C.
MagiMysteryTour 5 months ago
3. Liver homogenate levels in a mouse, which are "GULO wild type" is about 62 micromolar (Hum Gene Ther. 2008 Dec;19(12):1349-58.) That's certainly not a megadose, more like the recommended dietary levels. Vitamins correct a deficiency, but more of them is not always better.
4. All vitamins have a benefit-dose curve. Sliding to the right on the dose axis does not continue to increase benefit beyond a certain level. In some cases, it reverses direction, vitamin C included.
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
5. 3:45 "Anyone who has a cure for cancer, but doesn't make it public ... is an evil, corrupt and selfish monster, profitting at the expense of millions of dying people".
And the United States government DOESN'T fit that description? The United States government DOESN'T profit at the expense of miilions of dying people (whom it directly kills), and the United States government doesn't contain evil corrupt selfish monsters? I urge you to look into the current state of Iraq and Afghanistan.
MagiMysteryTour 5 months ago
6. Advocates of vitamin C have submitted it for testing, the government REFUSES to objectively conduct such tests. And nobody is selling vitamin C privately for huge profits. But the opponents of vitamin C do sell THEIR medications for personal profits.
7. 7:55 you display a 1979 study that gave 10 grams a day vitamin C to 60 advanced cancer patients with 7 weeks left to live. Show us a study that has made valid tests of mega C, not just moderate doses given when it's too late to save anybody.
MagiMysteryTour 5 months ago
@MagiMysteryTour
6. Argument from conspiracy, and false attribution of motive.
7. I would recommend the Cochrane Reviews Database, a review of all literature on the topic:
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2007 Jul 18;(3):CD000980.
"The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the normal population indicates that routine mega-dose prophylaxis is not rationally justified for community use."
The duration reduction was about 8%, which amounts to a "few hours"
C0nc0rdance 5 months ago
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Stefan069 6 months ago
This video is a QUACK.
B17 is NOT toxic, I and my friends eat 20 apricot kernels a day and we are FINE. It just cures cancer without side effects, but costs very little to an average citizen!
Pure colloidal silver does NOT turn you grey. I drink it everyday and I am fine.
Mega doses of vitamin C cures colds and cancer. IV vitamin C is much safer and more effective than any toxic chemotherapy.
And is more always better? Off course, what's better, eating ONE blueberry or a whole cup?
Stefan069 6 months ago
Well, of course this miracle sucked - no one vacuums in the dark anyway! Checkmate, atheist!
Now here, hold this lightbulb and try again.
integralmath 6 months ago
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How many Nobel Prizes have you won? You can't even pronounce Dr. (William) Koch' name correctly (Koch pronounced "Coke"). You dip shit.
You know very little of what you talk here.
DrDEKNMD 7 months ago
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DrDEKNMD 7 months ago
Ionic silver is actually a very effective and proven topical antimicrobial agent, but it's true that silver is sold and claimed to extreme and crazy levels.
kyebean 9 months ago
I just witnessed a premonition of that Argyria victim. Popa Smurf can I lick your asss, yah, lick my ass, bitch!!! sing that in your head while you look at his picture lol it rocks.
kyebean 9 months ago
How the hell did you do that? We need to find a way to make this work in the light and submit this along with an explanation of how it works to a peer reviewed journal. No way it can fail.
MrHambergator 11 months ago
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the blood of Jesus is against your luciferian backward psychological tactics that seek to further enslave mankind and keep him dependent on the very ones who seek to. destroy him. SMH! what was the pay off for selling your soul and doing this!!!
VacEntertainment 11 months ago
@VacEntertainment
Lucifer offered me free ice cream for life. Hey, it was a heck of a deal. Enslavement of manking + my immortal soul in exchange for a pint of "Cherry Garcia" Ben and Jerry's every day... = WORTH IT!
C0nc0rdance 11 months ago 11
@C0nc0rdance Wow. You raped him.
Evnyofdeath 10 months ago
@VacEntertainment You're almost amusing enough to be cute, as it is I just feel sorry for you.
Darkstar1484 11 months ago
@VacEntertainment If you really believe all the stuff you say you have my pity.
Darkstar1484 9 months ago
don't bother arguing with Quackwatch inc. It's an old model that was used against free people and now it's cracked in every seam, dissolving in it's own excrement. YAY for freedom NAY for Quackwatch, they are done ..don't worry about them..leave the comments to yourself.
freqazoidiak 1 year ago
Otto Heinrich Warburg won only one Nobel prize in 1931 for medicine. Damn good video though
aafxa2 1 year ago
12 people accidentally hit the dislike button... they really should not put those two so close together
Pavelserboris 1 year ago
People should know who Quackwatch is.
Just google "Dr Barrett quackwatch court cases"
You will soon get some clear evidence who this man is, to put a link to him does you no credit at all.
In fact as much as Kevin Trudea is a conman and a liar, so is Barrett.
What does this tell us? not all alternative treatments are snake oil, and not all science is sound either as you seem to be claiming.
You also appear to be somehow aligned with Barrett, and he is merely an unlicensed shrink...worrying!!
hjmann 1 year ago
Who Is Steven Barrett, What Are Quackbusters?
Steven Barrett is an unlicensed Pennsylvania psychiatrist, who, though he failed his psychiatric boards and has been criticized for his lack of expertise by several courts, still claims to often advise the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the FBI, State Attorneys General, HMOs, Consumer Reports, medical journals and state medical, chiropractic and dental boards.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
He did NOT fail his boards. He was a practicing psychiatrist, a court consultant in child welfare, and licensed in both San Francisco and Pennsylvania. He has since retired and allowed his license to expire.
Honestly, it doesn't matter. His site prints factual material from primary, cross-referenced sources and he's not selling anything. He's a member of the Center for Skeptical Inquiry along with Michael Shermer and David Gorski.
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hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
What Barrett and I share a common enthusiasm for is that belief that treatments should stand up to the burden of evidence for their efficacy and safety. Drugs are regulated and have to pass a series of scientific trials to demonstrate that they are effective and safe. Alt-med does not.
All we want is regulation of irresponsible claims unsupported by evidence. Don't you feel the same way?
Barrett has lost some court cases, true. Libel is hard to prove.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
To do proper regulation you need an impartial body.
There is ample evidence the FDA is not such a body anymore.
Yes I agree in a perfect world...things should pass stringent testing, but unfortunately people have a tenancy to cheat and cant be honest especially when money and power are involved....as in the FDA.
BTW I am not advocating conspiracy theories...simply pointing out human tenancies and power corrupting.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
Be careful of the excluded middle: there are those of us who feel that the FDA is inadequate to the task as well, but still support stronger regulation of alt-med claims. I'm personally quite opposed to some current practices of pharma, and you can watch my video on the topic, "Big Pharma". I, for instance, would like to see an end to drug commercials. But that does not invalidate medical progress, or vindicate unsupported alt-med products/practices.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@hjmann
The particular case that comes up when I googled your search term is that of Tim Bolen and also Tedd Koren. Tim Bolen was a publicist for Hulda Clark, who ran an unlicensed cancer clinic in Tijuana and promised cancer and AIDS patients miracle cures for about $10,000/week. She attributed all disease to liver flukes. No kidding. She died of multiple myeloma. She was a fugitive from justice, dodging charges of practicing medicine without a license.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@hjmann
Tedd Koren, D.C. is the publisher of a newsletter for chiropractors. He stated falsely that Barrett had been delicensed. Under deposition (available from Barrett's site, or the Allentown, PA registrar), he admitted that had never actually checked the claim, but took it directly from Bolen. His defense in court was that he thought "delicensed" referred to anyone who allowed their license to lapse, as Barrett did when he retired from practice. I call BS.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
May well be BS, but there is a mountain of stuff about Barretts absurd claims from some credible people.
I have no vested interest (money etc..) in alternative medicines, but I really laughed hard at some of Barretts claims about chiropractory, acupuncture etc..
I had a chronic bad back and I went to several chiropractors with no results and wasted a lot of money, but I finally found one that worked and he fixed my back very quickly..believe it or not.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
There are actually some pretty crazy things that you may not know about acupuncture and chiropractic. I know your own experience was ultimately positive, but I'm much more interest in how chiropractic or acupuncture do when we take them out of the clinic and into the science lab, so to speak.
How do they perform in repeated scientific testing? Short answer: no better than placebo treatment for both. That has me especially skeptical of their claims.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Dont agree...sorry.
All research and testing in clinics etc... has to be based on accepting some one elses report of their findings, unless you were personally there.
Of if enough reliable people confirm the findings, but that is not a whole lot different than testimonials often criticized in Alt nedical practices.
Other than that it comes down to personal experience, and I have a lot of that.
I could give you a list of those but I doubt wether you would accept them anyway.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
"accepting some one elses report of their findings"
This is a common misconception about scientific studies. One of the hallmarks of good science is that it is repeatable. If a scientist makes a scientific claim in a peer-reviewed paper, others can replicate her work in their own labs. That's why journal articles contain detailed methods sections. I've done this myself many times to confirm a finding.
I don't need to have faith in published data because I can actually replicate it.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Yes, but there is a minor problem with this type of thinking, that is material nature is constantly in flux.
My profession is I am musician (virtuoso level) and I teach modal theory.
Now no performance is totally repeatable, only to a small degree, science likes to confine everything to numbers, I dont disagree with this, but not everything is totally repeatable and not everything is discovered by science either.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
If you don't value scientific evidence then it's no wonder we disagree on this issue. We must have very different perspectives which may be our irreconcilable difference.
Given the choice of science-based or shamanism/folk cures, I always choose the science based. It's been a lot more useful to humanity in the last 300 years and folk traditions are full of false beliefs, misinformation and superstitions. Just my opinion.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
I never said I dont value scientific evidence...I simply said its not complete or absolute, its a trial and error system, and certain areas are while passed of as science is based on speculation...such as Hawkins view that gravity is the ultimate cause of creation.
Not all ancient or old knowledge is superstition and misinformation either, some is very accurate, depends what you read I guess.
hjmann 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Look if you can find a regulatory body that is truly honest and impartial to pull back some of these absurd claims, all power to them.
But I honestly doubt that will happen
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
I think it is possible to design systems that are highly resistant to bias. For example, the observer-blinded case-control study prevents the researcher who is making the observation from knowing which group she is testing. Patient blinding prevents the patient from knowing which group they are in.
That's why I insist on double blind clinical studies of all therapeutics, including alt-med. To date, these type of studies do not support effect of acupuncture or chiro beyond placebo.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@hjmann
Koren, it should be noted, is a straight chiropractor under investigation by the FTC for claims he made about chiropractic. Specifically, he said adjustments can fix bedwetting, sore throat, fever, colds, eye problems, and chicken pox in his newsletter, meant to be left in waiting rooms for patients. Do you stand by those claims?
The FTC has argued that any claim beyond back pain relief is unsupported by scientific merits and has classified the newsletter as advertising.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
What PERSONAL experience have you had, apart from theoretical?
My father died on the operating table from a minor operation, because the doctors botched it, he didn't even need the operation.
They were never investigated, modern medicine has a license to kill and persons like yourself and Barrett claim they undergo stringent testing and are safe. I say BS!!
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
I'm sorry to hear that. Was it bariatric surgery by any chance?
You may not hear skeptics speak as loudly against questionable claims by the medical industry, but they are discussed. We just try to avoid being grist for the mill of alt-med propaganda by wording everything very precisely. Evidence based medicine is worth saving.
As an example, if you'll stop by "Bad Science" or "Science Based Medicine" blogs you'll see criticism leveled at alt-med and pharma/med pretty equally.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
I agree that evidence based medicine is worth saving.
Democracy is not perfect either, but it's the best we have.
However in my personal experience modern medicine does not have all the answers, and many of the statements made by Barrett are so one sided its ridiculous.
hjmann 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Obviously claims that bed wetting etc...can be fixed by adjustments is a croc!!
Of course I dont agree,they are not my claims...but neither do I agree with some of Barretts absurd claims, such as certain drugs (I will look them up) are safe to use.He's as biased as they come, and is guilty of throwing the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to any alternative cures.because he sees everything in black and white...God and the Devil type of thing, life is simply not like that!
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
Please do look up specific claims. I want to avoid the hasty generalization. I'm sure you know how hard it is to completely be free of bias. I'm certainly biased in favor of science and science based medicine because I'm a researcher. I put a high hurdle in front of anything that claims magical modes of action. Hence my own skepticism of chiropractic and acupuncture. I also know there is something to alt-med, I just suspect it's 95% placebo effect.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Ok lets just briefly revisit some of Barretts claims, heres one right off his website!!
The idea that bloodroot kills only cancer cells and spares normal ones is preposterous.
He hasn't a clue what he is talking about, I am not advocating Cansema or Bloodroot, its pretty full on stuff.
But I have had a Nodular BCC under my chin, I had it surgically removed twice and it returned.
I decided to try Cansema as there was quite a bot of scarring.
I applied it ..it hurt a lot. (contd)
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
But it got the cancer and did not damage any more flesh, that was 3 years ago, and I have had several biopsies to confirm this.
I have also tested it several times on my own healthy flesh, a little reddening and thats all, no damage.
What Barrett says is totally wrong, however this method is painful, especially on the jaw, but it scars less than surgery and if there are softer options that would be better.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
BTW Even MOH's surgery has a lot of failures for total removal of nodular types, the skin cancer forums are full of peoples reports about them.
Barretts is not just a person who likes to see regulation in alt medicinei, he is a rampant scaremonger who sees everything in black and white while hiding behind claims of scientific proof of this and that, while speaking a good deal of rubbish.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
Science has done a lot of good thats for sure, but I am not a blind believer in it.
If people that have so much faith in whats concocted in the Lab and so little faith in herbs, diet etc...
Then I put this to you, manufacture one tomato in the lab without the help of nature, eat food from the lab instead of the ground.
I'll bet Barrett would not do it ..ever, yet he denies that any herb can have any healing power, and pushes drugs, this makes him a hypocrite and a bigot in my books.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
This is a false dichotomy. I love tomatoes. I had some plants this year for heirlooms. I also work in a research lab. There is no conflict.
Assuming that everything that grows in the ground is safe or effective is not a good rule. Many plants are toxic. The best way to choose which are good and which are not is by the process of empirical testing we call science.
All I'm proposing is that herbs should meet the same burden as drugs. Test them for safety and efficacy.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
The example I was giving was simply that all herbs and foods came from nature in the first place..certainly we have to use them by some kind of empirical study.
I am not against drugs, I am against the reckless use of them, I am also against backyard quacks, but not all alt medicine, I have had too much success in this area as a user..
I simply dont buy people like Barrett, he is basically a cut and drug pusher and people like him are as much of a problem as Trudeau is...sorry!!
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
Again, beware the excluded middle. I am also opposed to over-use or misuse of drugs. I am also opposed to quacks, but not all alt-med.
On what basis shall we demonize Barrett? So far we've established he's against bloodroot (which I've pointed out has caused a lot of harm) and has lost lawsuits, is no longer a licensed psychologist, and is biased for medicine.
Is there some other way that he is causing harm? Is there factual misinformation on his website that you can find?
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Youve pointed out..it does a lot of harm? Why would I even listen to you?
I have first hand experience with this, that counters everything you read in your medical books.
Why demonize Barrett? because he is not well rounded in his research, he mentions a couple of dubious cases that fit his agenda in regards to Bloodroot and ignores everything else...as you do.
He mentions nothing about Vioxx and other drugs (known to be dangerous),
but he demonizes on smaller alt remedies. contd
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
He exclusively ignores the countless dangerous drugs that are sold over the counter, this makes me very suspicious.
He well deserves to be demonized, now you see no fault with him, thats your business. Everyone is colored by their own mental outlook and if your view is very close to his, you wont see the distortions in his view whereas to me they are painfully obvious!!
There are so many holes in his approach and its so one sided, he is beginning to look like swiss cheese.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
I'd like you to try to locate:
J Altern Complement Med. 2010 Oct;16(10):1125-7.
It's a case report of two people who did as you did, they self-medicated with a plant toxin from sanguinarine. Both ended up in the ER with life-threatening conditions.
Arch Dermatol. 2002 Dec;138(12):1593-6.
This one is on the number of people who required hospitalization for self-administered herbal therapies that resulted in permanent tissue damage and in one case death.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
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hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
What you are using is called the "Deadly Doctor Gambit", and you can watch my video of the same title. In short, everybody dies eventually. The cause of their death is either the condition or failure to treat it properly. To properly compare the risks of medical care, you need to account for the number of people who use it, and adjust for the increase in life span.
At the end of your life, you will likely be in a hospital or nursing home in a doctors care. That's just statistics.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Off course I agree with this...we dont live forever, we have very little control over this.We have some control over our quality of life, for example I dont drink, smoke and have been a vegetarian for over 30 years and and have a good life.
I take responsibility for my life..I dont blindly put it in the hands of others
But I will grow feeble and die just like anyone else.
However what I mentioned above is "premature death" and it happens a lot.
hjmann 1 year ago
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@C0nc0rdance
I guess we could go on and on back and forth.
I'll simply say this..How many people die from doctors administering drugs that are dangerous? I dont hear you mentioning them!!
I'll bet the 2 ER admitted self administered cases you pale in comparison.
I dont have any agenda in any of this, other than I believe that people should do the necessary research and dont trust anyone too easily.
But I suspect you have an agenda...maybe a medical student or doctor or something.
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
What you are describing is an anecdote that was very persuasive to you. That's an important element of smart decision making: personal experience.
If I told you that I had used Kool-Aid to treat my diabetes and it was completely effective, wouldn't you want more evidence? Likewise, I need to know that it doesn't just work for 1 out of 1000 people (you), and I want to see it work in a large population and I want to know if it causes skin rot after 2 years. See where I'm going here?
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
I have the feeling that unless its in a medical book you wont accept it, I accept some medical arguments but not all.
I have used Cansema...what you are saying is totally wrong, other than a softened keloid scar I have no problems and I administered it nearly 3 years ago.
Whats more I have several friends that have used it and had the same results.
The cancer forums are full of real people that have had success as well, that counts as some evidence!
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
The stories of individuals are collectively called anecdotes. If they are well documented, they can be case studies. Unfortunately, these are the bottom rung of the evidence ladder. Escharotics are well known natural chemo drugs. They were used by doctors, along with arsenic and rat poison, warfarin, in the 1880-1920's to remove skin growths. However, they were discarded for less drastic, safer alternatives. You're using an older chemo drug from last century.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
Read the case studies on the cancer forums....of course you think they are all bogus or bottom rung.
I gave you my experience and I know several others, my wife laughed when I told you what you said, my own daughter used bloodroot on a diagnosed dangerous pre cancerous mole in her leg, it fell out several days later and the flesh around was not even agitated...plus my own experience and the experience of others.
Not bad for an older chemo drug from the last century.
hjmann 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
You see you have the view that everything from the last century is primitive and hackneyed.
Perhaps you may wish to read about Yuhedi Menuin, a child prodigy that conducted the Vienna symphony orchestra at a very young age.
He learned Indian raga music in his later years and declared it too difficult and outside his mental capacity, they use cycles of 108 beats and more...we have difficulty with 4 beats.
They played this music for several hundred years ( a very long history) contd
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
Now these days it would be difficult for anyone (let alone a genius like Menuhin) to have the intellectual capacity to play this stuff.
Plus in various yoga systems people could concentrate for many many hours on end, these days we cant concentrate for a few minutes.
What am I getting at? Well acording the arrogant British view (I am anglo saxon BTW) they were running around in the mud and primitive and worthless.
This type of view is a large part of modern medicine also..
hjmann 1 year ago
@hjmann
Bloodroot contains sanguinaria, a chemotherapy agent. It indiscriminately kills animal cells by blocking an ion pump, causing the cells to rupture. All cells in your body are vulnerable to this escharotic. It cannot discriminate between cancer and normal cells.
There are many instances of people with no training charging to administer this "natural chemotherapy" and it has resulted in multiple deaths and disfigurements.
C0nc0rdance 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
As I pointed out, I have had personal experience in this, I suggest you stop reading your text book or internet blog and get some a put a drop on your little toe...see if it falls off or not...if you dare!!
Do some research on the skin cancer forums...see what peoples experiences are.
Dont just read your med books, your view is very one sided and I dont buy it, not blindly because I have experienced this, seen it on others, and read countless forums.
hjmann 1 year ago
@C0nc0rdance
How many deaths has chemotherapy hastened or caused?
I know of at least 10, I dont know 10 that have died from bloodroot, I have not read about 10 that have died from bloodroot on any of the cancer forums.
I have seen Barretts view, he only pushes one side of the thing, it sounds very convincing to someone not familiar with medical jargon, but it is largely semantics and BS.
I have enjoyed debating with you tho. Cheers
Should one be cautious...absolutely!!
But I reject his
hjmann 1 year ago
first rate material here. Very well stated.
macnutz 1 year ago
Kevin Trudeau's "Natural Miracles" are---TA DAAA: SCIENTOLOGY!!! No shit.
ChurchOfKali66619 1 year ago
this is PR guy
jakenyon666 1 year ago
What about people like Stanislaw Burzynski? Who actually have cured people of cancer, but have/are being tried for stupid reasons and being put out of business all over the US.
Gameboob 1 year ago
@Gameboob Haha! Are you him, or one of his partners in crime/fraud? Hehe, any claims of "miraculous" or "alternative new-age mumbo-jumbo"-cures are hoaxes. Those darned laws of physics are there for "alternative" people too, not just for serious doctors, scientists and other skeptics, you see.. : )
winterstellar 1 year ago
@winterstellar Um... no. I can tell that you've never heard of him, because he wouldn't be spending his time on YouTube like this... lol, it's sad the way most people lump real cures and hoaxes together -- just in total disbelief of there ever being a cure. He does not claim anything miraculous, it's straight-up science that the FDA doesn't like. Just google him.
Gameboob 1 year ago
@Gameboob Okay..if it's straight science, then he's OK. No, I had never heard of him until now. : )
winterstellar 1 year ago
@Gameboob
Stanislaw Burzynski, the guy with Antineoplaston therapy? the therapy that hasn't yet undergone clinical trials yet?
there's a reason you can't jump the gun in medicine.
pyr666 1 year ago
1:26
It's a kinkajou, an adorable South American climbing mammal that's a somewhat popular exotic pet.
GabrieLaVedier 1 year ago
I remember Kent Hovind said something about vitamin B-12 curing cancer, but all it really causes is cyanide poisoning, and read a story about a cancer patient who nearly killed herself with it. I'm surprised you didn't mention something like that in this video,
wakeangel2001 1 year ago
Deep breathing? Chart at 6:52 contains "deep breathing", whats the story behind that? From what I read its mostly for stress relief, and I find that entirely believable. Are there other far flung claims its associated with that earn it a place on the same chart as homeopathy and chiropractic?
JoesephKatana 1 year ago
Extremely well done video, thank you for making these obvious observations available to the blind and deaf masses of tin foil hat wearers.
QueueBionique 2 years ago
ok, you conspiracy nuts need to take a breath. at the very basest level, what do control freaks want? power. whether in the evil fda or the illuminati, or whatever. if there were some "miracle" cure for anything, the FIRST thing these people would do is get it pushed into use and then run around demanding longer terms and more money because, after all, THEY CURED SOMETHING!!
there simply is no miracle cure.
kenandkids 2 years ago
As to miracle drugs, oxygen is not a drug. It is illegal in the US & UK to treat cancer with any substance NOT a licensed drug. Licensed drugs are synthesised, patented, R&D costs 10s of millions for 1 new product. Can't patent it? Suppress it!
Yes, that IS evil & those who DO care about duty to humanity don't have that kind of money
It is naive to assume that those with power and obscene amounts of money & resources at their disposal are always being honest with us
queenastilon 2 years ago
Of course it is. But it is just as naive to assume that the reason we haven't heard about miracle cures is because they are being suppressed.
If they work, then it is the duty of every person who knows of the secret to get it through rigorous third party scientific testing.
That's not what these people do, though. They are flim-flam con artists. They are trying to shortcut the safety and efficacy tests that we put in place to protect us.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
there is alot of quackery out there but sometimes it comes from the FDA CDC
truthmedia1 2 years ago
Please be more specific. I know lots of folks at the ground level in the FDA. The ones who actually do the work, and none of them are rich, evil, or being pressured to be scientifically dishonest. They produce data, they design experiments, and they publish their results publicly for peer review.
Are there bad bureaucrats in the US government? Oh, most certainly. Does that give you license to dismiss everything the FDA does, or to support non-tested therapies? No.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
"The thing that bugs me is that the people think the FDA is protecting them. It isnt. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks its doing are as different as night and day."—Dr Ley former Commissioner of the FDA.
truthmedia1 2 years ago
do you trust the FDA ,CDC are they soley motivated by the common cause of good health
truthmedia1 2 years ago
sure, the Parma industry is not interested in any way to discredit non-pharma cures. ok, they get thousands of dollar out of 1 single patient with their "therapy" and nothing if the patient gets a low-cost Cure; but hey the Pharma industry is very honorable and never ever lied in the past, the presence or will ever in the future.
just as truthful and honorable as the US government that everybody love and cherish.
*sarcasm off*
TheUSSLiberty 2 years ago 2
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green2lean 2 years ago
Your comment is biased and therefore has no scientific merit. You fail to mention the FDA employees that dont take bribes, the number of people the live following "very strict oders from their doctors", legit data peer reviewed by legit scientists and doctors, concerned with curing people and not making profits, and so on. Just because he doesn't mention every single point of view in his video, doesn't mean it has no scientific merit.
Th3Shadow0fDeath 2 years ago
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green2lean 2 years ago
furthermore, his videos are not targeted at the scientific community. scientists dont try to present arguments to eachother through youtube. This is for the general public, and therefore "scientific merit" is not the primary goal. He is simply trying to explain in a way that everyone can understand that if you make a claim and wont/cant back it up with evidence, you are probably lying.
Th3Shadow0fDeath 2 years ago
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green2lean 2 years ago
Or I might not ... my point was that you are an idiot for saying his video has no merit simply because he doesnt put forth all points of view. I dont tell you what scientologists think when you ask me how old the universe is, Im biased ... who cares? hes not publishing a scientific report. Just because "there are several documented cases" doesnt mean every FDA employee takes bribes ... therefore you are only representing one side of the story and are biased. That is what i said NOWHERE did i say
Th3Shadow0fDeath 2 years ago
that your point is wrong or inaccurate or false. I simply stated it wasnt complete, and based on your logic, biased. Also, I'm not going to study up on a topic I have no interest in to have a debate with someone that obviously cant even understand a little sarcasm. I don't care about lester crawford or the FDA, i was (to repeat myself yet again, just incase you didnt catch it the first two times) merely using them as an example of how you are not providing all sides to the story either.
Th3Shadow0fDeath 2 years ago
I've read that 75% don't. And I know of a lady who had to hide her identity because she was explaining to me how Govt. officials go to her alternative clinics under assumed names. The same low lifes that won't allow the general public to learn about alternative medicines benefit and hold on to only allowing chemo, radiation and surgery are sneaking in to the very clinic they won't support on paper. Sick isn't it?
ianjacklin 2 years ago
Assuming your lady exists ... just because someone is a government official, does not mean they are any more intelligent than your average ditch digger. Yes, some are, but not all. Intelligence is not a requirement to become a "government offical". Charisma is far more useful a talent than inteligence for someone trying to be a politician.
Th3Shadow0fDeath 2 years ago
and if chemo was dangerous then why would doctors and experts put themselves and their children on chemo when they get cancer? are they trying to kill themselves?
threadysparrow 2 years ago
Holy shiz! A kinkajou!!!
My favorite procyonid! I thought I was the only one who knew of it.
intelligentfalling 2 years ago
What tests? Clinical studies for drugs are paid for by the drug companies. And there are no double blind studies for most types of chemo. The things young doctors are taught are by old doctors who are controlled by the drug companies. And no one with a natural therapy known to work like ones based on Otto Warburg's theories can afford the millions to get it done. If you actually think big pharma doesn't control what is used and not used for treatments in America you are wrong.
ianjacklin 2 years ago
You are referring to FDA drug trials and the NDA process. I am saying third party research on the purported miracle cure.
The progression is:
1. In vitro
2. animal
3. limited human trials (Phase I).
Double blind studies are not always used, for ethical reasons. If a drug offers a substantially better chance of recovery, it would be unethical to make the patients in the control group continue in their treatment. We also need to have informed medical care for the patients.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I notice in your profile that you have a lot of "cure for cancer" videos that rely on testimonials and anecdotes. Why haven't these case studies been published in the peer reviewed literature so that they can be fairly evaluated?
Why haven't the small academic research labs been approached about a systematic and impartial evaluation of these cures? Armed with this kind of data, I'm sure you could find investors to get some more thorough testing done.
If it really works, that is...
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
Well when my ex-girlfriend cured herself of supposed terminal cancer her doctors at UCLA didn't want to hear how she did it. My friend Dr. David Walker who cured himself and thousands of others whose video I have up here has this all documented with Washington due to them trying to sue him thanks to his protocol costing the pharmaceutical companies millions (because his works). He beat them on all counts. But don't expect any papers or tv to advertise this as they are run by big pharma too.
ianjacklin 2 years ago
how about all of the people who have died from cancer. what about the little kid whose parents started him on an herbal regiment after taking him off chemo and he ended up dieing? the thing is, there are4 cancers that sometimes get better on their own or will go away with preventative treatment. but going on here and listing some friends and saying that they did it without doctors is not very smart. do you have expert knowledge about cancer? you are making an assumption about medicine
threadysparrow 2 years ago
No, I'm just a film maker who interviews experts and leave it up to whom ever is watching. By all means do what your heart and mind tells you to do. And I'm not trying to be smart. Just providing the things I've seen and if it helps someone so be it.
ianjacklin 2 years ago
From the FTC in 2002 re David Walker:
"An Internet entrepreneur who marketed bogus cancer cures claiming they made other conventional cancer treatments unnecessary has agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that his claims were unsubstantiated. The settlement permanently bars the defendant from making unsubstantiated claims about the health benefits and efficacy of health-related products and services."
middlekk 2 years ago
In 2001, the FTC and Washington State attorney general sued to stop him. A government investigator reviewed Walkers records and reported that 14 percent of the people using his protocol had died. That means 86% were successful. When the court case ended in 2002, Walker had become one of thousands of individuals and companies whose effective, alternative treatments have been stifled. I agree about lying about cancer. The AMA, FDA and big Pharma that runs them are the scum that you talk about.
ianjacklin 2 years ago
um... if 14 % of people on something die, then your 86% success rate means jack shit. 14% death rate from his stuff? only chemotherapy has that high of a fail rate and that makes sense for chemo because it fights CANCER! anything else with a 14% fail rate where the failure means DEATH should be outlawed and put on a rocket and shot into the sun
threadysparrow 2 years ago
What ever floats your canoe. If I get cancer I'm going alternative due to the research I've done and people I've met. If you don't agree then go for the Western. You got to do what you believe in your heart of hearts. Godspeed.
ianjacklin 2 years ago
i guarantee 100% that if you are diagnosed with cancer then you will start listening to your doctor immediately. trust me. you say what you want now, but if the time comes, and hopefully it never will, but if it does then you will be the first person in my cancer wing. our radiation labs and chemo treatments will be so far in you that you will want to suck out of the radiation tubing. turst me its different when it happens
threadysparrow 2 years ago
I made a documentary on how people have cured themselves of cancer so thanks to dozens of interviews with doctors and patients the last thing I would do is chemo or radiation. And only surgery if it was absolutely needed to remove a tumor but i've learned that even most of them can be taken care of with alternative treatment. And I wouldn't go anywhere in America anyway due to doctors not being able to treat me with alternative treatments. Appreciate your passion mine is just in the opposite.
ianjacklin 2 years ago
You value anecdotal evidence that supports your view, but not any evidence that stands against you. This is called confirmation bias.
This is why real medical investigations are double blinded. That's why your miracle cure never stands up under scrutiny.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago 5
but... the government... and the man want us dead. that way they can make money... its all in a book i wrote myself... i have the proof. the proof is that i have a book where i say it... that is why its only safe to use wheatgrass enemas to cure cancer
threadysparrow 2 years ago
ANYONE who claims that they are in possession of a "miracle" cure that "they" don't want you to see is lying. A big fat, whopping lie.
Invoking conspiracy theories is just another way they propagate this lie.
Defrauding cancer victims. That's got to be the worst thing ever. Why not just crush puppies in front of 1st graders?
middlekk 2 years ago
By alternative treatments, do you mean things like the Gonzales Protocol for pancreatic cancer?
The protocol that was tested and found to be WORSE than placebo?
Right. 150 pills a day and coffee enemas. Worse than placebo. Gee, I wonder why?
That's what's known as "Tooth Fairy Science".
middlekk 2 years ago 2
No I'm not talking about Gonzales and don't know enough about it to speak on.
ianjacklin 2 years ago
well you drink coffee. you aren't supposed to put it up your ass. that may have contributed.
threadysparrow 2 years ago
Well, it's not MY protocol!!
Of course, this bogus pantload (literally) is being touted by Suzanne Somers in her latest book.
Those who take medical advice from a bad actress get exactly what they deserve. Just Darwinian evolution at work.
middlekk 2 years ago 5
real cancer treatment involves chemicals and radiation. NOT HERBS THAT YOUR UNCLE GREW IN HIS BASEMENT
threadysparrow 2 years ago
Good luck with that.
ianjacklin 2 years ago
Um...no. A 14% fatality rate does not mean an 86% success rate. I had a friend with brain cancer who underwent "successful" surgery - he died 2 years later. Your statistics are meaningless.
The fact is that the FTC shut him down, not the FDA, AMA, or any other group. And he had to pay $229,000 in RESTITUTION to defrauded cancer patients who were victims of his fraud.
Defrauding cancer patients. The lowest of the low.
middlekk 2 years ago
You do realize there's this little thing called "the internet" where we can look up...oh FTC records and verify your claims, right?
Walker paid $229,000 in consumer restitution and is permanently barred from making any health claims about his so-called "cures".
People who lie about cancer therapies are the lowest scum on the planet.
middlekk 2 years ago
yeah concordance... you make alot of sense... but i dont care what you say because its all about secret government conspiracies and the "man" trying to get to us. logic and science and critical thinking was created by the corporations and the government to try and keep us sick. IT JUST MAKES SENSE OPEN YOUR EYES! nothing natural can do any bad things at all. everything that grows in the ground is always good. that is why i eat grass every morning
threadysparrow 2 years ago
threadysparrow@
You have converted me completely. I've put on a tinfoil hat, and suddenly I can think clearly. Those evil Belgians can't tap into my consciousness any more. Their Illuminati/alien/evil pharma/CIA signals are being blocked.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
I TOLD YOU!
threadysparrow 2 years ago
Hey, I eat grass every morning too!!
With my morning foxglove tea. Along with some hemlock, and some peach pits (mmm, arsenic). And once a week, polar bear liver. Gotta love that all-natural vitamin A.
All natural. Good for ya.
(Kids, do NOT try this at home.)
middlekk 2 years ago
A brilliant video and an immediate favorite. Altho I still have one question. I have seen an American website claim millions of people have there blood ozonated in Germany. I would be surprised, if that were true. At least on the web, I haven't found any evidence to suggest this isn't just a sales pitch for the U.S. There generally far stricter here about medical issues. Most of these so called medicines from the U.S are illegal here. Where did you find this information? Great video tho!
bCurious2 2 years ago
What the phrase "alternative medicine" really means is "alternative to getting better."
Desertphile 2 years ago 2
I think that also a lot is a by product of the war on drugs. We tell kids that meth is bad because there's something inherently evil in it.
Then we prescribe desoxyn(methamphetamine salts) and say that it's okay then.
So people get confused by this inconsistency. All I have to say, is that don't believe what people told you in school about the nature of drugs.
I've never had any side effects outside of taking it on an empty stomach and getting a little tachycardia for a while.
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
Hehe I agree once again. There are double standards when it comes to drugs.
But Ritalin DOES have negative side effects for alot of people, so do alot of the other "brain drugs". I suffer from anxiety and the drugs my doc prescribed have all had some sort of negative side effect. I.e "brain tingles", headaches, severe lethargy, severe drowsiness...etc etc
The effectiveness of the drugs aren't proven yet their side effects ARE scientifically proven. So don't they fall under miracle cures?
Seleucus84 2 years ago
[cont] Is it really safe for us to be prescribing drugs, which we don't know if they work, or what effect they will have on the long term?
And don't get me wrong, im not trying to belittle ADHD, or anything like that. I am just very skeptical of these drugs.
Seleucus84 2 years ago
Benzos and such are a totally different class of drug. There are side effects of amphetamine. Amphetamine is a really classical stimulant. Taking too much amphet HCL is pretty much identical to too much coffee in the side effects.
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
Basically ADHD is a big struggle and medications do help certainly.
The latest research shows that ADHD is more a delay in timing of the normal unfolding of maturity and they've traced it to a delay in a specific place. Check the national center for mental health and look up ADHD. I could explain the mechanisms in quite a lot of detail.
Crudely speaking, stimulants supercharge the areas that are slower in people with ADHD.
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
I went to the NIMH site and went to the "what causes ADHD" section. This is what it began with:
"Scientists are not sure what causes ADHD, although many studies suggest that genes play a large role"
And goes on to list many proposed factors. Pathophysiological changes in the brain doesn't seem to be apart of that list.
Genes may cause changes in the brain which lead to ADHD in children but the research show they "grow out of it" in adulthood...
Hrmm ?
Seleucus84 2 years ago
ADHD is probably not pathophysiological in the traditional sense.
It's probably more "heterchrony" a change in the timing of the natural unfolding of development. It's just a quantitative variation like anything else only societies are structured for one calibre of person.
Little concerns like preserving the uniqueness in each once of us lose their novelty when it's yourself that you're dealing with and you've got to grow up and get a job like everyone else
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
I agree. But why the hell are we prescribing dangerous drugs for something that can be treated by other means?
I agree on the society part as well. But isn't it kind of like brainwashing? Say someone is genetically predisposed to ADHD during childhood, but their brains will naturally change during adulthood, do we really need to prescribe meth?
I think these sorts of drugs can have unforeseeable consequences on the brain, because we don't really understand what it is they really do.
Seleucus84 2 years ago
"but their brains will naturally change during adulthood, do we really need to prescribe meth?"
There's a portion of the spectrum that goes off medication at about age 7. Another bunch at about 13 another drop off at 16.
Finally the biggest end of medication is at about 19.
Most are off it at a certain point.
A few people such as my mother had symptoms her whole life and is still medicated.
This is quite counter to the image given to us by ad council about chronic drug use
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
"why the hell are we prescribing dangerous drugs for something that can be treated by other means? "
Because "other means" haven't been shown to be nearly as effective.
RexFordVII 2 years ago
wow, epic video dude. so well made and such good content and structure.
zander46 2 years ago
Don't legal "brain drugs" such as anti-depressants, Ritalin etc fall into the "miracle drug" catergory?
Evidence of their effectiveness seems to be more coincidental than clinical. Even the way the work is still being debated. Yet they are being approved by gov agencies and being prescribed to millions of depression, anxiety, ADHD, OCD, etc sufferers around the world.
Or is there something I'm missing here?
Seleucus84 2 years ago
Dude have you ever "done" ritalin? (as those hep cats say on the street)
It gives you energy and helps you focus.
I know, I have ADHD. There are some valid criticisms of some of the outlier medication regimes but you're dead wrong on the efficacy of stimulants
amphetamines increase blood flow to the frontal cortex. ADHD it turns out is actually characterized by a lack of blood flow here.
Putting the two together really seems to work.
I happen to actually not be on the stimulants anymore
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
Yeah I know it "seems" to work. But the problem is does it actually treat ADHD in the long term or do you become dependent on Ritalin every time you need to concentrate?
Also I am not sure whether the science behind the workings of these drugs is accepted by the scientific community or just at a theoretical stage. I am positive its theory.
No clinical trial has proven the effectiveness of Ritalin in the long term for ADHD. Yet here we are selling it in massive quantities as the treatment.
Seleucus84 2 years ago
No there's no cure for ADHD or associated spectrums. Ritalin does help though and the whole mechanism is demonstrable. The effect on behavior on the macro scale has been repeatedly demonstrated with double blind tests.
As a kid I was sent home often when my parents would forget to give me it because i'd regress to my normal pattern.
And no i'm not dependent on stimulants I gave them up about 8 months ago cold turkey and was fine.
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
But behavioural therapy could also help no? And behavioural therapy does not have adverse side effect of that brain drugs.
Seleucus84 2 years ago
I'd say that yes i've definitely noticed that I'm growing out of it. It's gradual but marked. Since then i've been playing catch-up for the mistakes i made back then.
There is something to be say for behavioral therapies. Some on the lighter end of the spectrum are able to do it alone with behavior modification.
Me, I've been through it all and have a very severe case.
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
Many scientific studies on what actually cause ADHD, have given contradictory results. Which suggests to me that it is more of a behavioral problem than a pathophysiology one. I mean yeah you give someone some meth, of couuuurse they're gonna feel better, more in control, etc but does that mean it is actually a treatment for the illness, or like treatment for the symptoms of the illness?
Seleucus84 2 years ago
I completely understand what you are saying, but the difference between "brain drugs" and miracle cures is that we have the information to make the decision on. We know quite precisely how the drug works, when it works, what doses are toxic or beneficial, and what many of the variables are in response.
I'm not saying it's GOOD evidence based therapy, just that we have some evidence of what it does. Unlike miracle cures where claims are unsupported by any testing.
C0nc0rdance 2 years ago
but... c0nc0rdance... the government and corporations... they are killing us. the only real trustworthy person is someone who was in jail for credit card fraud and started a company with his cellmate and tells you that "they" want you to be sick because of money. OPEN YOUR EYES! LISTEN TO YOUR VIBRATIONS AND YOUR ENERGIES THAT MOTHER EARTH GIVES YOU!
threadysparrow 2 years ago
Side effects may inculde
loss of appetite, life.
VadimDubois 2 years ago
I have discovered a miralce substance that cures ALL diseases!
It's called cyanide.
Consume it and it will cure ANYTHING!
VadimDubois 2 years ago
I don't see why not. There are hyperoxia diseases that are treated by cyanide ions
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 2 years ago
My family doctor prescribes homeopathic medicine for all of her patients IN FAVOUR of REAL medicine!
my mum is taking homeopathic pills RIGHT NOW to supposedly counteract depression.
if my mum commits suicide im gonna sue that bitch straight into the ground.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
My personal favorite is still the magnet therapy
I have a friend, who is a GREAT guy. but he buys into this magnet therapy garbage. There is no convincing him its either
a) all in his head (completely placebo effect)
b) his pain medication
c) the alcohol kicking in
Love the guy to death, but he just "believes" so much.
Thanos82 2 years ago
I've always wondered how much good taking *one* multi-vitamin and a few supplements (B-complex, etc.) but not mega-dosing does?
I've never been able to find a good study about that.
tommylehman 2 years ago
i will agree with everything you say, if you tell me thats you at 1.45 lol, but seriously what kind of miracle were you expecting from a vacuum cleaner Hee hee....only joking concordance, hope your well :0)
aaugoaa 2 years ago
Awesome video!
LepraLord1 2 years ago
I read through some of Trudeu's book at a bookstore and it was RIFE with bullshit and crap. He actually claimed that animals have more 'natural lives' and never get sick or have heart attacks. Fucking sick bastard.
Keippernicus 2 years ago
Moral of long winded story is, if it works use it. If it dosnt work its probably doing its best to kill you.
Ohh yea and weed does actually help a little bit too.
Not for full blown attacks mind you, but if I feel a little bit of asthma coming on a few puffs on a pipe usually sorts it. ; )
666daedsidog 2 years ago