@sparkshot Well, that answer is dealt with at the end of the command 1 section which I am in the process of creating right now. Basically, you have to see two basic things here: there is "repentance," which is when you become a new creation in Christ. Some people call it being "born again." It is at that point that the rules of the game change a little. At that point, the devil knows that you are God's, and that you have a heart to listen to him.
@sparkshot He therefore seeks to undermine your faith, as well as to get you involved in all kinds of lusts and sins and whatnot. One repentance, and indefinite number of forgivenesses still lie open to you, though. Also, bear in mind that this book is parabolic in nature. It is written not only for our INDIVIDUAL edification, but for the edification of the CHURCH. You must therefore read it on BOTH levels.
@sparkshot Jude speaks in verse 3 of our COMMON salvation, as opposed to our INDIVIDUAL salvation. In that book, Jude makes it clear that his letter bears on our COMMON salvation, and then proceeds to call attention to the people who were infiltrating the Church and undermining that faith which was "ONCE FOR ALL ENTRUSTED TO THE SAINTS." In the process, he quotes from Pseudepigraphal sources such as the Assumption of Moses and the Book of enoch and quite possibly the Testaments of the Twelve.
@sparkshot Presumably, people questioned the propriety of using these books and brought the letter to "Symeon" Peter. Peter, understanding that this mystery was to be lost and then found, instead of answering the question, "Should we be reading these books or not?" directly, instead takes Jude to himself and writes a book around it and leaves it for the Elect to understand through RECOLLECTION. (He uses the words "recall" and "remember," quite often in his letter to indicate this falling away.)
@sparkshot However, there remains to us a "COMMON SALVATION" as stated in Jude 3. That is the ONE REPENTANCE, as it relates to the Shepherd of Hermas. in Command 12:13 we read, "And fulfil diligently this ministry which I commit to thee, (Hermas) and thou shalt receive great
advantage by it, and find favour with all such as shall REPENT and believe thy words. For I am with thee, and will FORCE THEM TO BELIEVE."
See how this refers to the Church and their future conversion?
thanks for taking the time to write that, it brings some good points out, still unsure of how it means you can't repent though. Alot think the comman salvation, and faith once delievered etc is talking about the Torah, law etc. It's my current subject of study and prayer as modern 'christianity' as it has become seems rather 'LAWLESS' to me, it's worrying. I have 1 & 2 Enoch too.
bible basher :P
MrNomSauce 5 months ago
What's it mean by 'you can't repent'?
sparkshot 1 year ago
@sparkshot Well, that answer is dealt with at the end of the command 1 section which I am in the process of creating right now. Basically, you have to see two basic things here: there is "repentance," which is when you become a new creation in Christ. Some people call it being "born again." It is at that point that the rules of the game change a little. At that point, the devil knows that you are God's, and that you have a heart to listen to him.
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@sparkshot He therefore seeks to undermine your faith, as well as to get you involved in all kinds of lusts and sins and whatnot. One repentance, and indefinite number of forgivenesses still lie open to you, though. Also, bear in mind that this book is parabolic in nature. It is written not only for our INDIVIDUAL edification, but for the edification of the CHURCH. You must therefore read it on BOTH levels.
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@sparkshot Jude speaks in verse 3 of our COMMON salvation, as opposed to our INDIVIDUAL salvation. In that book, Jude makes it clear that his letter bears on our COMMON salvation, and then proceeds to call attention to the people who were infiltrating the Church and undermining that faith which was "ONCE FOR ALL ENTRUSTED TO THE SAINTS." In the process, he quotes from Pseudepigraphal sources such as the Assumption of Moses and the Book of enoch and quite possibly the Testaments of the Twelve.
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@sparkshot Presumably, people questioned the propriety of using these books and brought the letter to "Symeon" Peter. Peter, understanding that this mystery was to be lost and then found, instead of answering the question, "Should we be reading these books or not?" directly, instead takes Jude to himself and writes a book around it and leaves it for the Elect to understand through RECOLLECTION. (He uses the words "recall" and "remember," quite often in his letter to indicate this falling away.)
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
@sparkshot However, there remains to us a "COMMON SALVATION" as stated in Jude 3. That is the ONE REPENTANCE, as it relates to the Shepherd of Hermas. in Command 12:13 we read, "And fulfil diligently this ministry which I commit to thee, (Hermas) and thou shalt receive great
advantage by it, and find favour with all such as shall REPENT and believe thy words. For I am with thee, and will FORCE THEM TO BELIEVE."
See how this refers to the Church and their future conversion?
Apocryphile1970 1 year ago
thanks for taking the time to write that, it brings some good points out, still unsure of how it means you can't repent though. Alot think the comman salvation, and faith once delievered etc is talking about the Torah, law etc. It's my current subject of study and prayer as modern 'christianity' as it has become seems rather 'LAWLESS' to me, it's worrying. I have 1 & 2 Enoch too.
sparkshot 1 year ago