What evidence would it take for an atheist to believe the Bible?

[dogsofwarclan]

why isnt this a tv add yet. might solve some problems in the world...

[cybertrooper79]

The only way you could convince me that A. there is a god and B. there is an afterlife is if someone I know who is dead returns and tells me so, with others to verify and witness the event. Religious Faith is for cowards. I don't fear dying and ceasing to exist, I don't live my life in fear that I may offend an imaginary being by how I live my life, and I don't fear man made books full of doom and gloom and shall and shalt nots and neither should any of you.

[devante11]

@cybertrooper79

Maybe be a afterlife and no god

Maybe a god but no afterlife

Just make up anything its doesnt really matter

What matters is you are living, many dont make it, to life ...so live it, the one and only life you *know* you have

[cybertrooper79]

@devante11 that was really simple but very beautiful

[LarsWS]

I sometimes pick up snakes with my hands, but I don't really find jesus while doing so. I often times find an undigested mouse though. So the whole thing seems a bit rotten to me ...

[mamamonster2011]

funny i didnt try to force my beliefs on you yet you feel the need to convice me i am wrong god cannot be unproven but do get back to me when you do x

[EpicPhalosophy]

@mamamonster2011 Funny that you felt the need to make an unrelated comment on my video, and that you were surprised that someone responded in turn.

The Flying Spaghetti monster can't be disproved either. Neither can Allah, or Poseidon, or Vishnu, or Thor. Get back to me once you can disprove any of those.

[mamamonster2011]

@EpicPhalosophy i dont c how its unrelated to comment on ppls comments my message was to ryanrenesis as i felt he had mocked my beliefs yet earlier was simply stating that after their comments better hope their isn't a god.and yes ryan, of course religion and zionists go hand in hand in the destruction of mankind but if you dont mind god is about the only thing i feel i have left to cling on to if you dont mind!

[JaMaNoranda]

message for mamamonster: Try a Teddy bear, at least it's cuddly and it wont smite you if you don't bring it sacrifice or forget your evening prayer. Really just open your eyes. God is to Believers what sand is to ostriches. So take your head out of the fog, illusions and make believe and start seeing the world. Just the fact that bad things happen to good people and visa versa should give you pause, start make you think. Believing in God is the ultimate act of laziness!!! no think, just veg!!

[Dawgmeatt]

@JaMaNoranda You're wrong. Ostriches don't actually bury their heads in the sand. What caused that misconception is when the ostriches would lower their heads to the ground, but from far away it'd look like they would put their head in the ground.

[JaMaNoranda]

@Dawgmeatt Really!! Is that all you can come up with. That Ostriches don't really put their heads in the sand. But I suppose it is typical of the threadbare arguments believers come up with, when they see themselves cornered. It is not easy to admit that you're stupid and that having faith is a utter waste of time. Doesn't faith and belief devaluate the very thing you believe? No evidence, no proof, therefore no other option but have faith. Can't tell me that is of a rational and mature mind!!!

[Dawgmeatt]

@JaMaNoranda Hahaha, who said I believe in any religion? Talk about popping your top. YOU seem a little insecure about your belief in their being nothing. Going full bore aggressive after one silly little comment.

[JaMaNoranda]

@Dawgmeatt maybe you should use a blog on ostriches and debate their habits there. Again you make assumptions and have nothing to back them up. Also I need to correct you. Being an Atheist is not to believe in nothing. Atheists don't believe!!! period. Yea and I will shoot everybody down, that comes at me with such idiotic remarks!!!

[Dawgmeatt]

@JaMaNoranda I made assumption about what? And I said you don't believe in nothing, I said you believe that there is nothing. You really are a dipshit. What idiotic remarks did I make? You're the only one whose panties are getting in a bunch over a very silly comment that was never to be taken seriously in the first place.

[JaMaNoranda]

@Dawgmeatt you really need to get your terminology right. Nothing is not the opposite of god. Nothing is the opposite of something and the opposite of god is reality, so I say again Atheist have therefore no need to believe.

And the one with the panties in a twist is you!!! Look at your snarling comments!! I suppose you think if you are insulting enough I will back down.

[Dawgmeatt]

@JaMaNoranda So you're saying that you in fact don't believe that there is nothing? Which means you believe there is something. Also I'm gonna quote you from your first reply to me "It is not easy to admit that you're stupid" I'd say that's pretty snarling. You're the one who flipped shit over a joke. You need to chill and stop taking everything so seriously.

[JaMaNoranda]

@mamamonster2011 Well can you prove that god exists then? You can't, because that's what Faith is. to believe in something despite any evidence of it's existence.

So unless you have prove, and the onus is on the believers to provide it, go back to your lala land of Fairies and imaginary friends.

[mamamonster2011]

after your comments you'd better pray he's not real coz he sooo aint in your heart but funny most none believers know the bit about gods deal- take me into your heart and i will save you even this simple thing seems impossible to you, shows how truly destructive and uncaring humanity has become . you wont even save yourselves why should he?

[ryanrenesis]

@mamamonster2011

You just don't get it. You must understand that religion is divisive and THAT's what's going to destroy mankind. Rationality will save mankind; thing is rationality will only lead you away from this being you call "god" aka divine, adult-version of santa claus

[AlanRussellFuller]

Jesus always taught figuratively in parables. He didn't say His words had to be fulfilled literally. In Acts 8:22-23 Peter spoke of the gall (poison) of bitterness, and how it could be cured.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller Too bad Mark 16 wasn't part of a parable. Read the entire chapter, and it will be clear that it is, in fact, not a parable but Jesus' instructions to spread the gospel. I find it interesting that you would cite that chapter in Acts, because in verses 6 and 13, Philip (the speaker) is said to have performed "signs and miracles."

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

It's a wrong idea to take every word literally. I don't see Christians teaching worms and bugs. I don't see them plucking out eyes or cutting off hands (Mat 5:29-30). As an atheist you believe in nothing. Congrats on that.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller So what is drinking poison a metaphor of, then?

Ah, well if you'd like to argue on that level--- You believe that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Congrats on that.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy You understand then Bible like a kindergarten book because you don't understand the spirit it was written in. 2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller In other words, you won't answer my question and try to change the subject yet again. What is drinking poison a metaphor of?

[devante11]

@AlanRussellFuller

Isn't anything more absurd quoting from a man made book

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy Bitterness. That's what it says in Acts. Read it. Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

Act 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

[devante11]

@AlanRussellFuller

"There isn't anything more absurd than believing in nothing"

But that exactly what you believe, from nothingness came your god and from that nothingness it came from, created everything from that nothingness that came before it.

Nothing more absurd going on beliefs. Rather than knowns

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller So you're trying to say that you can safely draw a metaphor from two completely different contexts from different books of the NT? Despite the fact that Mark 16:20 says, "And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following."

So they were confirming the word with signs by metaphorically overcoming bitterness? Haha.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy Act 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

Gall of bitterness is a metaphor for drinking poison. Simon was accepted as a believer, but brought the poison of his materialism. The apostles were exposed, but affected by the poison of his false spirituality.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy A figure of speech can be used anywhere, and in any type of genre. You only need the ability to recognize it.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller There's a big difference between a figure of speech and forcing a drawn metaphor between two separate books of the Bible from separate contexts. Throughout the gospels, several people are mentioned to literally lay their hands on the sick and heal them. People supposedly literally speak in tongues and literally pick up snakes and literally cast out demons. You try make drinking poison a metaphor simply because it was not mentioned to have happened literally.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy The apostle Paul taught that the scriptures have to be interpreted by the Spirit of God, not by the letter. Jesus taught the same thing. That's why atheists and Pharisees don't understand it.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller No, please answer my last post. Some of the "signs" from Mark 16 are recorded elsewhere in the New Testament as literal, historical events (laying hands on people to cure them, etc). Why do you assume that some from the list are metaphorical when others from the list are said to have happened literally?

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy I answered and you don't understand. Where does it say that any of the signs have to be fulfilled literally? It is assumed that way because they are told of in the book of Acts and you assume the Book of Acts is a literal account even though you don't believe it. You assume the Creation week is supposed to be a literal account of the material universe even though you don't believe it. The Spirit of God determines the understanding of these things and not the letter. Mat_13:14

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller Are you telling me that the countless verses of Jesus and his disciples healing the sick are all supposed to be completely metaphorical?

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy What I'm telling you is that these things must be understood spiritually, and that is something an atheist can't do.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller What a terrible excuse to pull when there is clearly no answer. It doesn't take spirituality to read verses like Matthew 4:23 and see it literally mean that Jesus miraculously healed people- and if that's the case then surviving poison miraculously and literally should be no problem for Jesus and his believers.

By the same token, I could say that these things have to be looked at with logic and objectivity, and that is something a theist can't do.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy I'm a Christian and I base my beliefs on Jesus and the apostles. You're an atheist that claims to believe in logic and objectivity. That only holds as long as the supposed objectivity and logic is your own. Since you're only a person and your logic and objectivity will differ from other people's, you bascially don't believe in anything.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller I reject your theistic claims because they fail under scrutiny. I don't "believe" in logic and objectivity- I use them.

If you can't explain something to others, then you don't understand it well enough for yourself. If you can't explain to me the rift between the literal intentions of part of the list in Mark 16 and the supposed metaphorical exceptions in the same list and same context, then I'm going to assume that you simply can't explain it.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy If you understand how Matthew uses Hosea 11:1 in Matt 2:15, or Luke uses Isaiah 61:1-3 in Luke 4:17-21, then you shouldn't have any trouble understanding what I'm saying.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@AlanRussellFuller Specific allusions between Testaments is entirely different from inserting your own forced metaphorical exceptions to an otherwise literally-intentioned list of *signs* from a single context that neither references any other passage nor IS referenced by another passage.

Explain the discrepancy between the literal, miraculous healing that Jesus does in the NT and the supposed metaphorical drinking of poison- and explain why they are in the same list.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@EpicPhalosophy There not different because you and other godless atheists assert their different. If I reply again it will be on your channel page. You Tube comments are too hard to keep up with.

[GreaseStain]

@AlanRussellFuller you may want to look up the definitions of words you toss around so loosely.

[AlanRussellFuller]

@GreaseStain Which words?

[devante11]

@AlanRussellFuller

LOL christians always trying to justify the absurdities. They really just cant be honest with themselves

[AlanRussellFuller]

@devante11 There isn't anything more absurd than believing in nothing.

[todogfw]

Also the Devil tempted Christ in the same manner you are tempting believers...something about since your the Son of God throw yourself off this mountain and you will be unharmed etc., etc.....I think Christ's words were something like..."I'm the son of god not an idiot, it's not a good a idea to press your luck or mock God with trivial requests for displays of power...that would make me an egotistical ars" I'm paraphrasing the Lord of course.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@todogfw Funny, since Yahweh in the OT and Jesus in the NT performed trivial displays of power in order to make people believe. Funny that some were given that privilege while 99% of the rest of the human race is not.

The funniest is that Jesus himself SAID that believers WOULD drink poison and live. Guess he lied.

[todogfw]

Even that wouldn't be enough for an athiest because there would undoubtably be a scientifically plausable explanation for the persons survival. Perhaps the "believer" who survived also suffered from acid reflux and the abnormally high concentration of stomach acid could have denatured the poison. The power of faith and belief has been confirmed through experimentation...There is a reason placebos are/were used as control groups after all.

[Moontazra]

be careful how you interpret everything you read-the no 47 bus might have 'oxo' on the side of it but that doesn't mean it's going to gravy land!

[recalibration]

Meh. I'm sure those Christians that actually have a spark of intelligence (oxymoron amirite?) would just refute this vid w/ some interpreted verses fr The Temptations of Christ.

Still, amazingly well presented. Cheers OP; you've got real talent!

[photopicker]

re: empirically, demonstrably, repeatedly, verifiably, and unquestionably

My that's a tall order ... a whole lot of --ly's ... in fact my guess is if you applied this quintet of prerequisites for any written work you can pretty much kiss the rest of your life away in research. Thankfully the bible has elements that are unreasonable to the modern mind so the work will surely be more eventful for those who partake compared to say the DSM-IV which has no appropriate definition of normal.

[Exmech2]

You could have said it simpler. It would take me the very same evidence it would take a "believer" to be convinced in the existence of Zeus. The very same evidence.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@Exmech2 As far as I know, Zeus isn't written about to have made such an absurd statement about the signs of true belief in him. Jesus made it all too easy to point out that one of the "signs" he said to watch for, will simply never happen.

I do agree with you, though.

[Exmech2]

@EpicPhalosophy You're right about Zeus, so far as I know. But that's the ghastly thing about religion. Merely being a follower grants you license to determine offense whether the deity "said so" or not. Socrates was executed for blasphemy and poisoning the youth against the gods.

[diogorh]

Go on and drink some deadly poison then. You would be doing a favor to mankind.

ps.: by the way, I was being sarcastic. No matter what fairy tale you believe, if you drink poison you will die.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@diogorh If you were talking to me, pause and read at 0:07.

If not... cheerio!

[DeterministicOne]

Even if someone were to drink poison and live, this wouldn't solve the problem of the God of Abraham blaming his Creation for evil. The Creator is solely responsible for all that has happened since the dawn of time, if there is a Creator.

[BestMusic2012]

(cont.) for some odd reason have witnessed Jesus. hmmmm they must be dreaming or even hallucinating. oh come on. proof in front of u. u just dont want to look at it because ur afraid of being proven wrong. All these athiests out there are mainly athiests becuz of money. u think if bill maher, charles dawkins, chris hitch (too late now) and all other atheist youtubers (popular ones) became christians, dont u really think, they would lose their job? think about it. job = athiesm. <--think abt it

[byatora]

@BestMusic2012 ridiculous argument. many employers refuse to give a job to an atheist and in the cases of dawkins and hitchens, ofcourse they're rich. they are successive authors for crying out loud.

if you're going to use them as an example then what about depak chopra? or preists who make a ton of money by doing nothing more than spread word of god instead of doing anything really benificial for society.

[BestMusic2012]

I doubt u were a christian. Maybe "just by name" a christian. NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE MY MIND. JESUS IS GOD. GOD EXISTS. u know why im 100% sure? because I have witnessed soo much, read too much, and seen and experienced A LOT. i mean ALOT of things that show Jesus is God. Also, ur taking things too literally. Plus, haven't u heard of the ppl who got cured from deadly diseases. ppl who had cancer and within days there were no signs of cancer anywhere? and all of these ppl for some ...(cont)

[EpicPhalosophy]

@BestMusic2012 The point of this video was to see if you can provide evidence for what you believe, and you didn't. There's a big difference between recovering from cancer (which has happened to atheists, as well) and drinking poison and surviving. Too literal? How dare I take the words on the page to mean what they actually say- from the NEW Testament! If nothing will ever change your mind, I have nothing more to say to you- you don't care if you're right or wrong. 

[BestMusic2012]

@EpicPhalosophy What about apparitions of saints? have u seen the virgin mary apparitions? hmmm. how about that the Sun is at lowest position of the year on Dec22 and 3DAYS LATER on dec25 the sun is at highest position of the year (JESUS IS BORN). also what about angels? aren't all of these things holy? coming from above? what about Holy Fire of Jerusalem?? every year holy fire comes out from the tomb that JEsus was buried in. and fire does not burn for exactly 33 minutes.....

[EpicPhalosophy]

@BestMusic2012 The only thing objective and worth responding to in that comment is the bit about Jesus' birthday. People celebrated the Winter Solstice (Dec. 25) for THOUSANDS of years before 0AD. Christmas is a holiday that is teeming with ancient pagan traditions. Jesus was not even born that day. Luke 2:7-8 -- shepherds would not be out watching their flock at night during winter.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@BestMusic2012 Congratulations. Your first two sentences made me decide to make this video, ahead of schedule.

watch?v=13up2XK75yA

[TheStJames23]

@BestMusic2012 since you believe, can you drink some poison, tape it, and upload it here once Doc's deem it a miracle?

[RPSM101]

Just to be certain, I'd say take a lot of VERY deadly poison (a large bowl of arsenic?), and cure somebody who is nearly (less than a day away) dead. While in a controlled environment with as many variables being observed and measured as is humanly possible. Seems do-able right?

Then you'd have a reasonable suspicion, but unfortunately without a device to measure the amount of Jesus (in mol/dm or something) in a room it's still not rock solid proof.

Still, I like the poison part!

[Gazjohnful]

Your question is irrelevant... There is not one scrap of evidence that god exists anywhere other than in a novel.

Evolution? Well, there is evidence everywhere for evolution even in your own DNA.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@Gazjohnful I get the feeling you didn't actually watch the video.

[Gazjohnful]

@EpicPhalosophy No... I watched all 1:38 seconds of it mate... So tell me... what evidence is there that is a god... You can't... If you think you can, your obviously hallucinating. The definition of faith is to believe in something without evidence... Id much rather believe in something that can be proven and there is vast evidence to support it... Don't get me wrong, its your choice if you want to remain in the dark age.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@Gazjohnful How can you think I'm arguing *for* theism? I pointed out a ridiculous passage from the Bible that also qualifies as an unfulfilled prophesy. Do you think a Christian would mention that Jesus said believers would be able to drink poison and live?

[bozolazic]

Let's shed some light on the issue by reading a scientific thought from a so-called savage.

...For after all the great religions have been preached and expounded, or have been revealed by brilliant scholars, or have been written in fine books and embellished in fine language with finer covers, man, - all man - is still confronted by the Great Mystery.

---Chief Luther Standing Bear - Oglala Sioux

[mrtadreamer]

"What evidence would it take for an atheist to believe the Bible?" the question is pointless since they're going to reject it no matter what the evidence is.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@mrtadreamer Did you even watch the video? I clearly stated what it would take, based off of Jesus' own words.

[mrtadreamer]

@EpicPhalosophy i saw it, but but my statement has to do with what atheists are.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@mrtadreamer Which is?

[agustinbs]

@mrtadreamer demostrate it by eating the 1/2 pounds of arsenic, and then you will verify if the atheist believe, of course if you survive!

[ArminXtosis]

Science has proven that our body has the precise balance of neurochemicals that it needs to heal anything that is wrong with it. Do some research on "healing meditation".

[EpicPhalosophy]

@ArminXtosis Sorry, absolute statements are rarely ever perfectly accurate. Ever heard of cancer? No amount of meditation will save you from ingesting hemlock or being bitten by an Inland Taipan. Even if your statement were true, atheists could do it just as easily as monotheists.

[ArminXtosis]

@EpicPhalosophy I'll take ur word for it but there r cases in which meditation has helped cure cancer. In the end we are both saying the same thing =P (Its got nothing to do with religion.)

[ehandkz]

@ArminXtosis The internet has proven that theists tend to be uneducated. This has been supported by comments such as the one you just made.

[ArminXtosis]

@ehandkz U need reread my comment cuz i am an Atheist, NOT theist =)

[Aanthanur]

@ArminXtosis can you cite some scientific publications that would support that claim?

[junkification]

Worldwide War on Religion, attack of the hate-mongering atheist cyber-bully terrorists, lol, you dumb fucking tools, small paranoid little world you must live in.

Your demise is sealed.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@junkification You're the one name-calling and pretending like you know what's going to happen to me when I die. Let me know if you ever have an actual reply to my video. I'm curious which religion you follow, because you just committed several sins if you belong to one of the three great monotheisms.

[ArminXtosis]

@EpicPhalosophy this guy commented the same thing on my video o.O

[junkification]

@EpicPhalosophy said: "because you just committed several sins if you belong to one of the three great monotheisms."

I follow no "great faith," at least none that any dumb-fundy atheist like you would ever be aware of... Time will tell who wins this debate, I have nothing to lose, you have everything at stake, lol, you stupid pathetic fuck.

[Aanthanur]

@junkification paranoid? Aren't you one of those that belief some invisible being is watching everything that happens and will judge you on it on Judgementday?

now that is paranoid.

[WinteRest49]

Yes, YouTube atheists are closet fundamentalists.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 In other words, you have no refutation to provide for this video.

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy You're the one who is taking the passage literally without exception, i.e. fundamentalism. In other words, all Christians are supposed to be drinking walking around drinking Draino, and curing cancer worldwide by the "laying on of hands?"

[WinteRest49]

@WinteRest49 Correction: "...to be walking around drinking Draino..."

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 I am normally more lenient, but not in this case considering that the drinking-poison prophecy has never happened (not even in the NT) and that Jesus specifically said that these signs would show true believers. You have to go out of your way to think that Jesus was not speaking literally here.

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy I don't see why there's such an emphasis, on your part, whether there is record in the New Testament of someone drinking "...any deadly thing..."? According to the New Testament: Paul survived a poisonous snake bite, there was glossolalia, and healings by the laying on of hands. Aren't such claims enough to aggravate an atheist when being presented in scripture? How does such testamony detract from the drinking of poison not being mentioned? 

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 The point is, that fulfilled prophecies are one of theists' claims that prove the Bible to be inerrant. This one wasn't even written about, nor has it ever been witnessed- I mentioned in the video that the others were at least included in the NT. The only reason you have to think it was not meant literally is because it simply has never happened (as with the rest of the Bible that has been deemed metaphorical).

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy So, if the other signs are included in the New Testament, what difference does it make that one isn't mentioned? You're saying the absence of one sign being described in the text nullifies the ones which are in the text?

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 What's that little saying- "A half-truth is a whole lie"? That's what they taught me at my private Christian school, many years ago.

Truism of the day: for something to be inerrant, it must be inerrant. If Jesus said something (very specifically) was going to happen, and it never happened- even in unverifiable scriptures! - then that is an error.

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy 'Inerrancy in the sense that the writers of the texts are believed to be inspired by God. What is your opinion on the gospel narratives not agreeing on evey detail? Are the inconsistancies between the gospels to be considered errors?

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 It would be my guess that a perfect being would not inspire errors (especially in the book that humans are supposed to rely on for the perfect plan of salvation). Of course they're errors- you can't say that two people saying two different things got their information from the same source, unless that source is wildly unstable. Why would Yahweh inspire them to conflict with each other? And then expect people to believe that it's his perfect word?

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy My thought is that people are flawed even though inspired. Many people have understood the gist of the New Testament despite textual differences between gospels. The history of the text(s) explains the differences in details, i.e. not committed to writing 'til after several oral traditions. In short, regardless of differences in certain details, the gospel narratives agree on key features defining Christianity.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 What a wonderful way to rationalize blatant errors in a book that is supposed to be infallible and the direct word of the supreme creator of the universe. I must congratulate you though, since you seem to at least admit that there are discrepancies. Personally, I don't care what the excuse is- if it's not perfect, then it's not perfect. Why should I expect any less? If the creator of the universe couldn't get a couple guys to get the details right in a book, that's sad.

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy The Bible is a compilation of different genres of literature (i.e., a collection of books in one binding), and was written by people. "Inerrancy" is understood as the composers/compilers being authentically inspired by God when producing the various texts. Give me an example of a blatant error.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

All it takes is a Google search. The list on Infidels [dot] org is almost thorough. That site should be one of the first that comes up. But I'll pick a random one if you really only want one.

2 Sam 24:10, David sinned by conducting a census. 1 Kings 15:5 David's *only* sin was ordering to have Uriah murdered. (2 Samuel 23:8-23:39)

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 If you want one from the gospels, look at the supposed last words of Jesus from Matt 27:46-50, then Luke 23:46, then John 19:30.

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy I don't see how the differences in the narrative texts implies the narrative is untrue.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 Because they don't match up. Either one is right and two are wrong or they are all wrong.

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy The narratives not matching up on every detail is actually evidence that they are truly based on an actual event. What they agree on is indicative of the first priority of the most important event which is meant to be conveyed. Discrepancies in certain details are common when comparing several narratives about the same event(s); historical memory isn't perfect. In other words, the flaws in the narratives speak for their authenticity.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 Then I could say the same thing about the Torah and the Qur'an. They all have plenty of discrepancies, as well. Errors do not prove anything to be true. Errors show that something is imperfect- it's as simple as that. If they were in inspired by a perfect being, then that perfect being inspired them to make errors- which is utterly nonsensical. I'm going to keep saying that every time you try to rationalize it, instead of trying to show that they aren't actual errors.

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy I'm just stating facts on how all literature has its own history. Different narratives from different sources will have discrepencies in the details revolving around a main event. Once again, the Bible is a collection of books and/or literature written over time by people. Inerrancy has to do with the writers' inspiration, i.e. God. Even so, since you've said you're just going to keep repeating yourself -- have it your way. Hasta la vista.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@WinteRest49 "Different narratives from different sources will have discrepencies in the details revolving around a main event."

The authors of the Bible were supposedly inspired by the same source- Yahweh- and therefore should not have any discrepancies.

You also missed that last sentence. Show that none of these are actual errors, and then I'll have more to talk with you about.

[WinteRest49]

@EpicPhalosophy The peoples' understanding of God changed over time, which brought about the prophetic tradition(s).

[junkification]

@EpicPhalosophy

Typical reactionary circular fundy-atheist spew. You dumbed-down parroting tool, I've found no free-thinker's here, same-old run down flames, typical unintelligent droneology, (yawn).

[EpicPhalosophy]

@junkification Good job. You didn't even respond to the other person who replied to you.

[robtbo]

If the god of the Bible exists, he doesn't care that the Bible isn't true.

[Christheatheist1]

Considering the fact that it's a 2,000 year old book, written by primitive, superstitious sheepherders who thought lightening was alive, and the fact that it has been edited, re-edited and re-edited again and again, I'd have to say nothing. Couple this with the stunning scientific innacuracies, brutal philosophies, and cartoonish depiction of god, there's just about zero chance of me taking anything in it seriously.

[EpicPhalosophy]

@Christheatheist1 I'm just getting started. haha.

[AtheistEutopia]

Firstly, you'd need to pitch the book of Genesis .... off to a great start!

[LogicalStatements1]

Exactly.

Nothing can convince me that every word in the Bible is true/accurate etc. because there is just too many damn flaws in it.