The Pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church is False! - pt 19

[JimmyCarol100]

@gadawk2010 I believe know one knows but our Father in heaven. I can tell you that I believe Jesus is coming back one last time & that it won't be a secret, I believe the great tribulation precedes Christ return as mentioned in Mat 24:21, 29 & Mark 13:19, 24 & begins with the "abomination that causes desolation" in Mat 24:15 and Mark 13:14, prophesied from Dan 11:31-45 and 12:11-13 that says this time will last 1290 days and blessed is he who waiteth & cometh to 1335 days. Peace2Ya

[gadawk2010]

@JimmyCarol100 basically, we agree. God bless!

[JimmyCarol100]

@gadawk They won't listen, even tho' Rev 9 speaks of 5th trump and locust army attacking men without seal of GOD(believers), notice 9:4 says only those men w/o seal of GOD, not only the ones who took mark of the beast, but any non-believer. And to not hurt anything green or grass or trees=meaning new believers to lifelong n GOD's word. For 2nd chancers, Rev 9:20-21 Says those men surviving the plaques & the men doing wicked deeds repented not. Rev 10 Mystery of GOD Revealed. Peace2All

[gadawk2010]

@JimmyCarol100  Sir, do u believe the rapture is before the 7 year peace covenant, in the middle of it, or at the end of the last 7 years before Christ's return?

[laysea65]

at the second coming it says the wicked will be destroyed then after the millenium we come back to earth and the wicked will be judged and cast into the lake of fire along with satan

[gadawk2010]

@laysea65 so where is the church during the millenium?

[lorijeans59]

@gadawk2010 We are these during the 1000 yrs

[laysea65]

do ppl realize the last day means all those who have died are asleep not in heaven or hell

[007strutter]

God always shelters his own before one of this judgements are poured out. He told Noah to build an ark. Noah tried to warn others and they laughed and were destroyed in the flood. He told Lot to leave Sodom and Gomorrah before he destroyed both cities. He told the Jews to mark their doorways with the blood of lambs so that death would pass over them in Egypt before the Exodus. 3 examples of saving his own before wrath . Bible says it takes 2 or 3 witnesses to verify sound doctrine.

[gadawk2010]

@007strutter The wrath of God is not poured out on the wicked until the end of the great tribulation period. (see my videos for proof).

[Myredeemeriscoming]

The tribulation is judgement on an unbelieving world which does not include those in christ.there will be 144.000 elect who are the Jews who did not accept Jesus as messiah.The holy spirit holds back evil as well as prayer.The holy spirit can not be here and lucifer be given full reign for 7 years,the rapture must occur for Gods wrath to come on the earth.the earth will be destroyed(and almost is) then god will recreate it for his reign.the rapture will turn many to christ during the tribulation

[gadawk2010]

@Myredeemeriscoming Sir, where do u find in Scripture proof of what u said, "the tribulation is judgement on an unbelieving world which does not include those in Christ? and how do u explain "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." II Timothy 3:12

[jvsm1971]

@ Rev 3:10 re myredeemeriscoming comment about the Lords faithfulones who are taken at a specific time in order that the unbelieving will be judged. &In 2 Thess 2:7 re the Restrainer, "he who lets will let until he be taken out of the way" is what many (inc myself) believe is the Holy Spirit within the church/body of Christ.It's thru this vehichle ie prayers of the saints prompted by the H.S. that "restrains" evil in the world today.And Daniel 9:27 speaks of the "shebua" WEEK of 7yrs re Israel.

[Myredeemeriscoming]

Perry Stone did not say there would be 2 raptures.That is a lie.i've watched almost all his videos.the rapture will take place before the tribualtion.the feasts that God gave the jews are prophectic.He fullfilled the first 4 feasts,The next geast are fall feasts.The feast of trumpets is when the rapture will occur.if yo0u studied you would kbow this.It is the day of concealment, coroantion of the king,and resurection day.then feast of atonement or judgement.The tribualtion is judgement .

[MsCread]

people should also examine Mt.24 48 to 51 from the view point that if you believe in a pre trib rapture and it doesn't happen what could happen to you and your faith is clearly laid out in those verses. I thank the Lord for your teaching, God Bless You.

[gadawk2010]

@MsCread Thanks, and God bless you too!

[MsCread]

thank you for providing these videos and teaching. They are essential if a person wants to examine all aspects of a matter which you have to do as a Christian - study to show thyself approved. I think people need to examine all that you have presented before they commit themselves to a pre trib rapture.

[BSmenot]

I have noticed many christians arrogantly say that they are saved and will be taken up (raptured) and be made perfect in a twinkling of an eye. They have not overcome the world anymore than I have. These folks seem to just be interested in saving their own a@@es instead of being washed clean by repentance.To ready themselves for a wedding. If one who is truly in love with God and Jesus they will take no thought of their own lives. They will die for Him. The reward will be to get their life back.

[gadawk2010]

@BSmenot "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you, but rejoice, in as much as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy." I Peter 5:12,13

[BSmenot]

@gadawk2010 I guess that response would mean that there is no rapture to escape techtonic plate shifting, and major population reduction that is around the corner. Well I don't believe the self righteous unworthy souls who think they have special reservations to a wedding by uttering words instead of living a life should miss what is about to take place here on earth. Like ring side seats in the cleansing fire right along with the rest of us.

[gadawk2010]

@BSmenot The rapture of the church comes at the end of the great tribulation period and right before the wrath of God is poured out on the ungodly Christ rejectors. R U saved?

[BSmenot]

@gadawk2010 Oh I'll probably be judged just like you.

[gadawk2010]

@BSmenot Sir, your comment does not make any sense to me. I know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, therefore, according to the Bible, i have assurance of eternal life with God in heaven. What about U???

[BSmenot]

@gadawk2010 I suppose I will find that out soon enough. Many are called few are chosen. Many think they are saved but are in a delusion of arrogance. Many will say to the righteous judge, "but I am saved" but were not and will be judged, and then shake their fist at Him. Even the elect will be deceived if that were possible. Don't think that you cannot be deceived. If you think you cannot be deceived then you already are. Approach Him with fear, and trembling or you, as all of us, are in danger.

[gadawk2010]

@BSmenot Sir, have u not read, have u not heard? "For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your striving], but it is the gift of God; Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do..." Ephesians 2:8,9

[BSmenot]

@gadawk2010 Very excellent. I thought I would never get that out of you. Except my faith gets challenged many times. 

[BSmenot]

@gadawk2010 Oh, by the way, It was good to hear from you.

[reallayman011]

AMEN! ANYTHING but Christ alone is idolatry. Keep Christ-centered, bro! More findings in "more" section of "reallayman.webs.com" site, including how to contact me better. Best to you & your families of BOTH "bloods"L His (spiritually) & yours (physically). :-) . RU apostolic?

[gadawk2010]

@reallayman011 God bless u, and thanks for your comments and encouraging words. my wife and I fellowship with a non-denominational church. I have been to many different churches in my life, and I have found that no church or denomination is doing everything exactly the way it was in the days of the original apostles of the Lord. I just believe the Bible is the Word of God and I try to live by what it says the best i can with the help of the Lord.

[reallayman011]

@gadawk2010 GREAT! No prob with the Trinity being like an egg: the shell, white & yolk. Sure would be nice to have others of like-minded simple & literal exegesis have access to each other, as we will NEED one another soon...(to physically survive & lift each other up in prayer). Best to you, the wife & church family. "We are help captive by our conscience & the Word of God" (Martin Luther) Right blessed-on! Reach me in "Contact" section. of reallayman.webs.com, if you want bro.

[gadawk2010]

@reallayman011 u r right brother, difficult days are ahead for the church and the whole world., let us keep our lights shining brightly as the days get darker and darker. The parable of the ten virgins is a right now message for the church because for the most part the church is asleep now, but midnight hour of great tribulation is soon approaching. We must watch, pray and prepare for what is coming. My email address is on the contact page of my website wwwgdawkinscom, i will visit yours.

[reallayman011]

If the pre-T happens GREAT! ....if not, be aware that scripture only says his coming “again” is ONCE for a GROUP out of 14 harpazoes, not 2x. Those that “fall” will all but quote 2Ptr3:4. We all have boo-boos [1Cor11:19a]. Whatever happens (or not): do NOT deny the Lord! Reallayman.webs.com check out the “more” section for some of the holes in the swiss-cheese pre-t thinking. Simple & LITERAL interpretation works.

[gadawk2010]

@reallayman011 Yes, He is coming once for the church at the end of the great tribulation period, then He returns with the church to destroy the wicked off the earth. (Jude 1:14, I Thessalonians 4:16,17)

[Ricky31628580]

U gotta understand the rapture from a hebraic point of veiw. Study from a Hebrew perspective. Study the tribulation things r going to get so bad that u only have to choices take the mark of the beast so u can by and sell and live and eat. Or u going to die by the wrath of God. Their will be no food no water complete maddness. Enjoy it if u don't belive it.

[gadawk2010]

@Ricky31628580 Sir, r u saying that u believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, and if so, why r u saying that based on the Scriptures?

[gallantentry]

In contrast, anticipation of the Second Coming (or a post-trib rapture at that time) could hardly have a purifying effect, because it can’t take place for at least seven years -- plenty of time to delay witnessing, getting right with the Lord and holy living until later. In fact, the Lord said that believing he couldn’t come at any moment would have the opposite effect from purifying believers:

[gallantentry]

@gallantentry "If that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants...and to eat and drink and to be drunken; the lord of that servant will come at an hour when he is not aware (Mt 24:48, 49; Lk 12:45, 46).

[dlabanow]

We are told to continually watch and pray that we are counted worthy to escape the wrath to come. That we also should not be ignorant of the signs of the times and just like the Jews did not recognize the time of Jesus 1st coming and missed it, so will many unsuspecting Christians will be caught off guard when the pre-trib rapture does takes place. Without the pre-trib rapture all one has to do is wait until the 7 year covenant with Israel is signed and then wait 7 years. God bless!

[gadawk2010]

@dlabanow Are u referring to Luke 21:36? In Luke 21:20 Jesus told his disciples that Jerusalem was going to be surrounded by armies and that it's destruction would follow and that the Jews would be led away captive into all nations, then in Luke 21:36 it says that they should watch and pray that they might "escape" those things that are coming to pass. Where do you get rapture from out of these verses? Are u trying to say the word "escape" means rapture?

[dlabanow]

@gadawk2010 No escape in that verse doesn't mean rapture but it is in relation to it. You know exactly where the word "rapture" comes from (1Thessalonians 4:16-17) "greek word Harpazo". Luke 21:36 is one of many that teach the imminent return of Jesus. You also didn't put in the words "escape ALL these things that shall come to pass".

Under your post-trib view I do not have to watch at all. I can wait until I see the covenant with Israel and count down the days until He returns.

[gadawk2010]

@dlabanow It does not say in the Bible that the rapture (or resurrection) will take place "exactly" at the end of the 7 year antichrist covenant with Israel. "But after three and a half days, by God's gift the breath of life again entered into them, and they rose up on their feet...Then [the two witnesses] heard a strong voice from heaven calling to them, Come up here!...they axcended into heaven in a cloud." Revelation 11:11, 12 Notice it says "after" three days and a half.

[gadawk2010]

@dlabanow The Scriptures do not say exactly what day the Lord is going to return for His bride (the church), it only says "after" 3 1/2 days. That could be 1, 2, 3 or 20 days after. No man knows the exact day or hour of the Lord's return, this is true. So the post-tribulation rapture can still be valid even though we know when the last 7 year period begins before the Lord's return.

[dlabanow]

@gadawk2010 Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Bookmark This Book/Chapter of the Bible Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

[MsCread]

@dlabanow how can a Christian be caught off guard by a pre trib rapture? If you are saved you are raptured.

[bgenuine1]

Your understanding is so flawed. I will pray for you. Good luck in the tribulation. Your going to need it. PITY!

[gadawk2010]

@bgenuine1 Sir, I do not to not enjoy suffering any more than anyone else, but the Lord Jesus told us that if they hated Him, they will hate us also if we are following Him. the Lord instructed us to take up our cross and follow Him, and a servant is not greater than his master. It is an honor to suffer tribulation for the sake of the cross of Christ, if need be. I will pray for those who are shocked when they realize that the church is here when the great tribulation starts.

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 suffering tribulations is not the same as being appointed to wrath. We all suffer as Christians currently, however we aren't appointed to wrath. The Great Tribulation is aka, the time of Jacobs trouble. Not the time of the Church's trouble. How is Jesus going to return with the saints if we are not there with him? That's impossible my friend. The rapture of the Church also has to occur for the G.T. to happen. continued...

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."2Thess. 2:7,8. The Spirit is the restrainer so if God removes the RESTRAINER, then His Children cannot be here. He said to the believer that He will never forsake us. It's a pre-trib.

[gadawk2010]

@gallantentry Sir, you quoted II Thess. 2:7 it says that the Wicked (antichrist) would be revealed after the one who restrains him from being revealed is "taken" out of the way. The Greek word for "taken" does not mean rapture or caught up, it simply means to remove something. If you have two football teams that are facing each other in a game and the offensive team is trying to get the other team's quarterback, those who are protecting the quarterback have to be taken out of the way...

[gadawk2010]

@gallantentry ...before the offensive team can get to the other team's quarterback. So also, the church must be removed by the antichrist government before the antichrist can come to rule the world. This is what Daniel said in his prophecy of the end times: "I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them...And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High" Daniel 7:21-25

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 those saints would clearly be the saints who are saved after the rapture. Again, it is the time of Jacob's trouble. Did you forget about the two prophets who will be sharing the gospel and converted Jews will have been sharing the gospel throughout the world? We are NOT appointed to wrath. This is Biblically clear. The church MUST be removed. God bless.

[gadawk2010]

@gallantentry Sir, the church is not going to endure the wrath of God. The wrath of God is poured out on the wicked at the end of the 7 year tribulation period, after the church has been raptured, it tells us this in Revelation 11:18 "thy wrath is come" , this verse is after the two witnessess (gentile believers and Jewish believers) have prophesied 3 1/2 yrs and been lying dead in the streets 3 1/2 years, which equals 7 years.

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 That theory is contrary to what the Bible teaches. Lot was taken out of the city before it was destroyed. Noah was lifted up above the flood. We are meeting Jesus in the clouds. Anyway you cut it, the church will be taken out before the world is brought under tribulation. That's to say nothing of God removing the Restrainer. Since God is removing the Restrainer, His people (the Church) would have to also be removed since we have the Spirit inside us. God will not forsake us.

[gadawk2010]

@gallantentry Sir, u r making many assumptions. Where does it say in the Bible that "God" is going to remove the "restrainer"? Lot was not taken out of this world when God destroyed Sodom, Noah was not taken out of this world when God flooded the earth, and Daniel was taken to heaven in order to avoid going in the den of lions, neither were the three Hebrew boys raptured to heaven to avoid burning in the fiery furnace, were the? So why do u think u should be treated special to avoid ...

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 the restraining power of the Holy Spirit is done through the Church, which is why I posted the section about the Church having dominion over evil in addition the Holy Spirit being the restrainer.

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 Let's not confuse individual drawing unto Salvation with convicting the whole world of sin. When that conviction is gone, because we are gone, evil will prevail and the Holy Spirit's work of restraining evil will cease, but not His saving work. Also note that it doesn't say the Holy Spirit is taken out of the world, but it is "taken out of the way".

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 2 Thessalonians 2:5-10

[gadawk2010]

@gallantentry ...your faith being tested by a fiery trial which is to try you as though some strange thing had happened unto you ? (I Peter 4:12)

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 trials yes...the Great Tribulation, no.

[gadawk2010]

@gallantentry Sir, how do u explain this verse if u say "trials yes...the Great Tribulation, no." ???

Revelation 7:14 (Whole Chapter)

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:14 These are the ones who will be transformed after the rapture, not before.

[gallantentry]

@gadawk2010 Look at that verse using several translations and you will understand correctly the context by which it should be used. "...has come, ...is come". It is a statement as to the fact that it has already transpired and is in the finality of God's wrath...not the beginning.

[gallantentry]

@gallantentry Thessalonians 4:13-18 read these verses.

[snoopyredhat]

The argument you present in this video from John that says he will raise them up in the last day.You must remember the Lords 'Day' is not 24 hours as ours is, Please do not be convinced there is no pre trib rapture because of Perry Stone. Ask the holy spirit for guidance. Love & Peace.

[gadawk2010]

@snoopyredhat Sir, it has been 6,000 years since the creation of this world, we are now entering the 7th millenium, in 6 days God created the heavens and the earth, on the 7th day He rested, the 7th millenium is the Sabbath day of God's rest, the rapture of the church and the setting up of God's kingdom on this earth should precede or begin the Sabbath day of God's rest, which is the day of the Lord. Peace!

[snoopyredhat]

I ask only that you allow the Holy Spirit to speak to you concerning this. I also did not believe in the pre-trib rapture but after doing a 2 year study on Jewish feasts I now realise all scripture is based on the Jewish traditions. This study makes a pre-trib rapture clear. Also watch Endtimes Dr Richard Kent. I'mnot asking you to change your mind just be open minded & study again. Love & Peace time is short.

[dawnahblue]

Rev 20: 4 & 5 - it talks about the first resurrection and how this resurrection takes place after the mark of the beast and at the time the devil is chained for 1000 years. 1 Thes 4:16 & 17 says the dead in Christ rise before the living are caught up to meet the Lord. 4 lines of scripture state very clearly the time line of events.

[gadawk2010]

@dawnahblue don't get it confused. Rev. 20:5 is speaking about the second resurrection (of the unbelievers) at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ on this earth after the rapture of the church the Lord will set up His kingdom on this earth and sit on David's throne in Jerusalem for a thousand years of peace and we will reign and rule the nations with Him. (Isaiah 24:23)

[littlebigronnie386]

Hey i agree with what you are saying about the pre trib rapture theory being false. i made 4 short videos on the subject. check them out for me please and leave some comments. later

[gadawk2010]

@littlebigronnie386 Ok, I will view your videos and thanks for your comments. God bless!

[iam7who7iam7]

This whole New Testament is false Ahch. Yah is one and always has been Isaiah 43:11, There never was a "Jesus the only begotten son". Yah had only one son and that is all of Israel Exodus 4:22, II Samuel 7:14.

[gadawk2010]

@iam7who7iam7 If U think the New Testament is false, then Satan has your mind blinded to the Truth.

[iam7who7iam7]

@gadawk2010 Tell me then. Why would the most high use the same story of a virgin birth born on December 25, 12 desciples, death and ressurection same as the Ancient Egyptian story of Isis and Horus which predates Jesus 3000 years? It's the same story, Semele and Dionysus (Greek Myths) Kirshna (Indian Myths). Deut. 28:64 And we will worship their gods both wood and stone... The Stone = The Kaabah- Islam- Allah, the Wood= Christianity- The Cross- Jesus. Does this not make since? If not prove it.

[gadawk2010]

@iam7who7iam7 Jesus said, "My sheep, hear My voice and they follow Me..." John 10:27 If you do not believe, then you must not be one of His sheep.

[iam7who7iam7]

@gadawk2010 No sir I follow Ahiyah Asher Ahiyah (I Am That I Am). Old Testament He is the father and we are his sons. Psalms 82:6 who are his children? The Hebrew Israelites II Samuel 7:14

[iam7who7iam7]

@gadawk2010 Our ancestors didn't need a Jesus to save the from Egypt. Ahiyah Asher Ahiyah did he is the only one Exodus 20:2 & Deuteronomy 5:6. He is the only savior and there is no one beside him Isaiah 43:11. Jesus is ancient egyptian sun worship Isis and Horus it's the same story.

[gadawk2010]

@iam7who7iam7  "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12 Don't be deceived by the god of this world system, Satan, he has blinded the minds of them that don't believe in Jesus Christ.

[iam7who7iam7]

@gadawk2010 What are the two biggest religions on this Earth? Christianity and Islam. There is no mention of Christianity in the Old Testament. This NT was written by the Roman Piso family it shocked me when I found out all the contradictions too but I realize the deception behind these people putting us Black people the true hebrew israelites into slavery. Deut. 28:64 We were the ones who were brought back into Egypt (Bondage/slavery) on ships and sold as bond men and bond women.

[trizfresh]

Think! There are 9 billion people alive right now do you know why?? That is because we have all been resurrected and these ARE the last days! Mat 24:7 the hatti earthquake was the begining of sorrows ... Signs of the END!!! Read ur book.

[gadawk2010]

@Trilimionity How can you prove from the Bible that the 7th trumpet of the seventh angel in Revelation is not the same as the last trumpet spoken of by the apostle Paul in I Corin. 15:52? Do you have bible proof that it is not the same trumpet or are you just believing what Perry Stone says?

[gadawk2010]

@Trilimionity Sir, what exactly is your question or comment that you are trying to make?