The day will come when all will see, that this individual and many others you assume to be real, are in fact simply actors playing a role: creations of the secular new world order, placed in positions of authority at the Federal, State, and Local level for the sole purpose of abolishing The United States Constitution and The Government of The United States of America, and establishing the secular new order: There was no bullet to the head, no JL Loughner, and no deaths at that event 01-08-2011.
Its so juvenile to blame conservatives. The left knows they are lying. They are just programmed to blame the other side whether they're right or wrong.They also dont believe in personal responsibility so they don't get it.
@cliffyknight one good thing to come out of this incident is that it would bring more left right individuals closer together as americans. Regardless of their political differences.
This video is a contemptible response to the fact that a deranged gunman, fueled by right-wing hate speech, attempted to assassinate a Democratic Congresswoman.
The right-wing needs to take a step back and do a long self-analysis of their actions over the last decade, which have been "ramped up" enough, thank you.
Once again, you use an ideologue like Michelle Malkin to back up your claims. *shakes head* Malkin is one of the worst proponents of hate-speech.
There are plenty of people who have their heads up their ass, on both sides. The man is a certifiable paranoid schizophrenic. I don't thin such simple media can cause such violence. But what is interesting is that when the shooting happened, Palin took down that infamous graphic. What does that suggest?
I'm glad you and I can finally agree on something, and may the poor ones who died in that shooting find peace. I hope Giffords makes the best recovery she can and that we can all be pragmatic about things
Dude, don't give in to and believe that whole "jihad" bullshit that Jews push. Muslims don't commit suicied bombing because they're trying to start a holy war. They commit them because they suffer under the oppression from a military occupation from an invasion over 50 years ago and are still being driven from their homelands. Trust me Palestinians are the victims, and Jews are totally racist but play the part that they're not, and try to frame Arabs for everything.
@PlainSight52 I don't know what is actually happening to a point but I do know the bullshit that comes out of the general media which paints the Palestinians as racists, psychopaths and just generally evil is wrong. The Israeli's however have been publicly racist. The Jihad is against the imperialistic west which always watches american cavalry films where they wipe out indians just because they have bullets to fire and land to gain, its the same in the middle east just with arabs and oil.
I'll be honest, the decried Hamas has done good work in the Gaza Strip, they hand down their funds without corruption, and are a productive influence to their people...
Except that, on top of all of this, they indoctrinate their people, their children, with hatred for Israel, with fanaticism to commit suicide bombings, that a Jewish states' existence in Palistine is an "affront" to Allah.
They too have been publicly racist, need I show you?
@AlaskaFinal Don't worry I've become a little more enlightened since I posted, neither side is good but neither side is truly is bad and both create suffering, but seeming as Israel was just artificially created, unfortunately, by my government when they released the nations of the middle east I would side with a peaceful change but then again there will never be peace in the middle east as long as Israel is there, an unfortunate fact of life.
Loughner is Jewish. His mom is Jewish, he went to the same synogogue as Giffords. His friend even said this and also clearified he only put Mein Kampf up to make his mom mad. This very material fact is omitted, because for the most part Jews are the problem & are the cause of most others. They have a racist ideaology in believing it's their God given destiny to rule over all of us as their slaves.
Consider that the motives of all the asasinations you mentioned had cover stories broadcast as truth and had convuluted design in organisation between participants and investigators. Jared Lee Loughner seems completely out of it. He looks like a placed operative with a mind clouded by design. Bush's people most likely made the attempt on Reagans life using a mind controlled pasty. Look at who benifits. Haven't you heard of the Manchurian canidate?
I agree with everything you said except the debate about the second amendment. There is nothing to debate. It is part of the Constitution. The anti gun lefties need to deal with it. Period.
@johnnybravo234 I consider myself a libertarian but we need gun control. Felons shouldn't be able to own guns same with people with mental problems like JLL.
@y2zgt Felons and crazies already arent allowed to own firearms. Unfortunately, he slipped through the cracks. I'm sure that he would have just bought an illegal firearm if he couldnt purchase one legally.
@johnnybravo234 unfortunately if you live in a democracy, the only thing that remains "permanent" is the democracy. When "the people" form a majority & have a different idea about the way the "community" should be..they vote on it & rules change. The worst position of any democracy is when they begin to pander to every minority group thereby defeating the ideal of "democracy by majority". I believe there should always be a "set of rules" to deal with minorities, so they aren't trampled out.
@johnnybravo234 i'm not arguing whether its right or wrong or that people won't oppose the idea. The US has become less and less democratic as the years toll on.
@johnnybravo234 When some of the greatest atrocities in history were committed by governments against unarmed citizens, the left wants to disarm the citizenry.
I love how you call him just a psychopath, like it is a justification for what he has done. Why didn't those people that were disturbed by who he was and what he said do anything to help him adjust that behaviour? Why didn't the police help him get help for his so called psychotic behaviour. Jared Loughner, like so many other shooters, are perfect examples of how insane this world is. I'm not justifying what he has done, but society has a huge role to play in this horrible event.
@darrenc182 Those close to him didn't seek help for him, but regardless, what he did was evil and wrong. Society can blame him, he cannot blame society and neither should you.
@WWCons First of all I am not blaming society, I am simply saying that society's structure helps to create an environment for people like Loughner to perform these disgusting acts. Your close minded perspective tells me that I'm preaching to the choir, but americans still have shootings every 6 months or so and your position has not changed anything. You can either remain insane or you can investigate what the problem is and find a real solution.
@darrenc182 You can investigate all you want, but there will still be evil murderers who will commit murder regardless of investigations, studies, etc. I am anything but closed-minded. I am a realist. Murderers commit murder in EVERY society.
If a Republican was shot by someone with vague political views, the right would be doing the exact same thing. The exact same thing. They might even be worse. So get off your high horse.
I've been a pot smoker since i was 13 yrs old..(now 46)..Being a pot smoker has nothing to do with the shooting..if that was the case..I would be in Prison also along with half of the planet..Pot makes you kick back and say fuck it..only side effects that pot has is getting the munchies or sleeping a bit more...Please leave Pot out of it
this nut is a lawyer?why does he not say aledged .does he want to taint the jury?does he want to thart the truth and justice.lol he was so carefull not to speak to early.is that a lie ?or bold BS?
Comon, comon, comon..... That Malkin list detracts from the one working argument that the guy is 'just a nut'. - Stick with that line, you will 'win' of that line.
That Malkin list funny. It's almost exclusively a list of male & female protest geeks who got hauled of by campus cops. Do you think honestly in the bottom of you heart that compares to the far-right anti-government bombers, Abortion Dr & anti-gov cop killers? Please.
Fuck you, he is about as crazy as Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin. The right wing hate democracy, freedom and justice and that's just a fact. Cowardly and corrupt that's the Republican way.
@dellboy99 - You are so right. Conservatives are much bigger liars/idiots/corrupt than Liberals. For example, the Republican/Conservative "Deficit Hawk" that wants a huge military budget. Our spending on defense/wars is way,way more than is necessary. Conservatives want tax cuts for the super wealthy, and cut Social Security for those who need it. They (the Right) are as corrupt as can be... much more corrupt than the Left.
i think you are all focusing too much on one person. This guy should be a reminder of all the other right winger murderers leading up to this incident.
@SeerSucker1981 - Right on! All the assassins are Conservatives. Yet, they (the Right) want to blame everyone else... just another lie on top of all the other lies.
I love it when Chris Matthews says we need to end hateful rhetoric and then immediately calls Michelle Bachmann a nutcase... Hypocrisy within 60 seconds
@31guitar lol. Whether you think she is or not, a nut-case is someone who needs to be helped.... I mean, do you feel hatred towards schizophrenics? Or the mentally dysfunctional in general? We send people to nut-houses to be cared for, sure there is a shame and stigma but generally no hatred.
You have just redefined everything help you prove your little anecdotal. Astounding.
The only aspect that could be somewhat hateful is perhaps the insensitivity to actually 'nuts' or retarded people.
@CmdrTobs What are you talking about? He is trying to insult her by calling her a nutcase. Thats hateful, trying to insult someone. My God the length you people go to to defend your own. If a conservative called Obama a nutcase, you would be throwing a hissy fit
@31guitar You see disagreement, you must see a democrat. Amazing.
Why would anyone consider Chris Mathews anyone's own? He is a establishment hack who LOVED everything about the Bush administration while it was in power. He defends ANYONE in power, he has proven that time and time again. Hence why conservatives who actually pay attention know not to label him a democrat in mud slinging matches.
There you go mentioning Obama, how trite. When will the obsession end.
@31guitar ??? Oh yeah, that massive double standard of left wingers alluring to violent imagery and egging on their base of gun proud anarchist social rejects who are dying to play militiamen.
@CmdrTobs Has anybody heard about the far-left nut job who attempted to stab the governor of Missouri? He ended up stabbing the Dean of a college. Which media outlets reported on it? A couple local ones really. And other ones made no mention of his left-wing affiliation! So... who are the anarchists again?
Also i take no enjoyment out this tragedy, nothing is to be gained politically from six people's murders and the grevious wounding of a Representive, just a stark reminder that things are wrong in these united states, unless things are done, the climate that fosters this type of rhetoric that leads to the Jared Loughners of the world to commit tragedies. Also i wont buy Glenn Reynolds' loaded question, you can make this point without being a liar or exploiting the situation for your own gain.
He commited this crime because he believed she was part of the problem with the world in my opinion, he was responsible for this because of his twisted world view, i dont see why people just want to sweep this under the rug and predictably say "no one could have seen this coming, he's just a loon, that why he shot up the place." Crazy people don't just commit crimes without a reason, albeit a reason that only makes sense to them, so to say that i believe is not true.
You know Lee, i've made my opinion on this issue known at length so i wont go into swathes of detail but i disagree that Jared Lee Loughner was just a psychopath who did the Tucson shooting because he is deranged, he's deranged but he did it because of his politics. His politics may make no sense to a sane person but it why he did it, all the people who knew him and close friends Bryce Tierney and Zach Osler said he was a political loner who though Gabrielle Giffords was a fake.
Despite the fact that I am a independent-leaning left person, I have to say after listening to your position Doren, I admit you convinced me that the mainstream media has blown this out of proportion.
Yet even though you have convinced me that Sarah Palin's bullshit behavior was not the genesis of this event, I feel this is a landmark for where we should have our political figures take a moment to become more mature about their jobs. That third-grader mud-slinging on both sides needs to end
Um. I guess Lee here hasn't ever watched an episode of Glenn Beck then, bcuz Beck himself has told people to go out & buy these books to see what the leftist/socialists are all about. The bottom line is, this dude was nuts. But, it is the brand most exclusively of RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES that incite violence ESPECIALLY since Obama got elected. Sarah Palin w/her crosshairs, Sharon Angle w/her "1st amendment solutions", Michelle Bachman, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh et al. All nutjobs.
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? I've read Mein Kampf, Ayn Rand and am an Atheist... what relevence does that bear to him murdering 6 people? He was probably mentally unstable, and the fact that he'd read those materials, didn't hold a religious view and smoked weed has very little to do with it!
@JoesMechanic I'm curious as to how, exactly, you came to this conclusion. There is a significant difference between curbing and completely eliminating a certain type of behavior. The fact that this incident happened does not, in any way, mean that carry laws aren't beneficial.
@Jewavenger. I never said open carry laws should be abolished. We should have open carry in every state. What I'm saying is, a congress woman was shot in plain day in a state THAT HAS open carry laws. & it didn't stop a thing. Fact. I own guns, lots of em. I don't need a magazine that holds more than 10 bullets. If our laws were still on the books regarding large magazines, 21 less bullets would have been fired and probably a lot less people injured. Thats just some common sense.
@JoesMechanic Again, having carry laws doesn't mean there won't still be events like this. Are you aware that 96% of guns used in criminal acts were NOT obtained legally? So the fact is, gun/ammo restrictions are almost entirely irrelevant. Criminals don't respect laws....that's why they are criminals.
@Jewavenger. Ur making my argument 4 me. If people were trained better in how they handle, store & keep their guns...less guns would get stolen & less guns would B out in the population. Do u have a gun safe? Do u keep ur guns & ammo locked up at all times? I have a quick unlock gun safe that allows me 2 access a loaded gun in seconds if I need it. MOST people do not have gun safes, nor keep them locked up AND keep their guns LOADED/somewhat hidden 4 easy access. Gun shows R a problem as well.
@JoesMechanic You said "If our laws were still on the books regarding large magazines, 21 less bullets would have been fired and probably a lot less people injured." Meaning "your point" is that laws can prevent these things from happening, or at least decrease potential damage. So how did I make your arguement for you? My comment pointed out the inefficacy of gun restrictions, so I actually did the opposite of proving your point.
@Jewavenger. Try to keep up. Ok? Read YOUR last comment. YOU were saying that "are you aware that 96% of guns used in criminal acts were NOT obtained legally?" And I blew your argument by going farther as to where these "illegal" guns were being sourced from. Home robberies and gun shows. Or how else do you think these firearms end up on the 'black market'? Duh! & the 31 bullets vs 10 is just simple math. 21 less shots fired between reloads. More people would have been alive today. Duh again.
@Jewavenger. Theres only one thing that a 31 bullet clip is made for, and thats spraying bullets. If you're a sportsman or a marksman, enjoy the sport, hunting, etc....you don't need a 31 bullet clip. If you do, you probably shouldn't own a gun or need to spend some time at a shooting range.
@JoesMechanic First of all, no need to be rude. But if that's how you want to play it, then perhaps YOU should try to keep up with me. AGAIN, your point was that gun laws can stop gun abuse. Are you with me so far? My point was that gun laws DON'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS ABUSE. Do you get that? So let's review this AGAIN. You made a point, and I made a point entirely to the contrary. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? And btw, the majority of illegal guns are obtained through smuggling.
@Jewavenger. Ah. Now uve outed urself as 1 of those fooled by gun lobby talking points. From 94-2008, 1.8 million attempted firearm purchases were blocked by the Brady background check sys. For checks done by the FBI in 2008, felons accounted for 56 percent of denials & fugitives from justice accounted for 13 percent. Those are the facts. Check out "The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act" @ Wikipedia. I luv guns, but nutjobs need 2B weeded out. We need a better national background check sys.
@JoesMechanic As you are probably aware, youtube doesn't let you change your username once created. My username is the result of an immature highschooler's sense of humor. And I think you are taking the avenger part in the opposite direction of which it was intended.
Btw, anyone who even just barely skated through a gov. class should know what the Brady law is, so keep your advice based on false assumptions to yourself.
@JoesMechanic Now to the actual substance of this debate: Your arguement is that in a span of 14 years, 1.8 million guns were kept out of "dangerous hands?" Considering that, on average, there are 5 million guns sold annualy in America (just counting the legal sales), your 1.8 is a laughably small number. And it's rather interesting that when you provide statistics, it is fact. Yet when I do it, it's a talking point. If that's the case, aren't your facts just talking points for your side?
@Jewavenger. Its seems u lack the ability to read ur own words. Let me help u. "My point was that gun laws DON'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS ABUSE". U claimed something that was completely factually wrong & I called u on it. PLUS, it is a talking used by pro-gun lobbys. Another fact. Ur stats only go to make my point once again. The laws on the books are way too weak. Allowing gun sales at shows w/o background checks is just stupid. Selling guns to mentally challenged people is stupid.
@Jewavenger. Another fact to mention is, were the #1 leader in the world when it comes to homicide via guns. Want more proof? Look here. en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Gun_violence
@JoesMechanic I'm just curious, do you actually have any sources that aren't Wikipedia? Ok, let me rephrase: our gun laws put a very very very small dent in gun trades to criminals. A dent so small, that it is almost non-existent. Is that better? But if you'd rather split hairs (and be an asshole in the process), then please continue doing so. Practically speaking, my point was correct. But please keep up the denial.
@Jewavenger But since my previous facts aren't to your liking, let's see if these are: Urban areas have usually have more gun laws than rural areas, yet percentage wise have more crime. According to the FBI 99.9% of all guns in America are not used in violent crimes, and 99.8% aren't used in crimes at all. After strict gun laws were passed in the UK, robberies rose by 40% and 44% in Australia when they did the same.
@JoesMechanic So is it really true that strict gun laws means a safer society or that gun control laws are really even a significant issue at this time?
Btw, you should look into how those gun violence rates are determined, and what is and isn't included, in each country. To say they are misleading is an understatement.
But I'm sure this was all just talking points and couldn't possibly be actual facts, right?
@JoesMechanic MAGAZINE. He used a 33 ROUND MAGAZINE. A firearm uses magazines which are (sometimes) loaded using clips. A bullet is the "slug" a round is used to fire. You're not the only one that makes those mistakes though
I have numerous firearms and I like the high capacity magazines. It (for me) is a kind of "firing line ranger". I think they're fun.
@JoesMechanic That's true. Sticking 30+ bullet mags into a hand portable form was really devised for urban assaults post WW1. Almost all armies I can think of started WW2 with bolt action rifles as their main - which kind of proves that for hunting/sport/defence in peace time shotguns & semi-autos were considered effective.
The only practical need to spray is if you want to kill a lot of soldiers or murder a lot of people. Not things for civilian society.
@JoesMechanic Nothing can stop crime from happening. Guns in civilians hands has been proven to stop alot of crimes from happening without even being used. In this case, the best thing would have been to stop the man short of what he did. Trying to uninvent the gun only results in innocent blood on the ground, content criminals, and the continuation of denial from liberals that a potential for violence in the right hands makes a safer society.
@IamaRifle I never said un-invent the gun nor R 2nd amendment. We SHOULD have open carry in every state. What I'm saying is, a woman was shot in plain day in a state THAT HAS open carry laws. & it didn't stop a thing. Fact. I own guns, lots of em. I don't need a magazine that holds more than 10 bullets. If laws were still on the books re: large magazines, 21 less bullets would have been fired & a lot less people injured. Easy purchase @ gun shows R a problem, same w/poor licensing requirements
@JoesMechanic I don't know about you but it only takes me about a solid second to reload a pistol, and if 21 round mags were illegal, I could still get them. Politicians think that they are hurting criminals by restricting assault type weaponry, but it is shown that it only hurts the sheep dogs. If this mans gun was taken away, he probably would have shown up with a full auto ak.
Anytime someone Say's we should "tamper down our language" or "be more civil" it means they want to shut down their opposition. It's Soviet style fascism.
@Eterna1Soldier. There a difference between inciting violence and having a civil discourse. One kills and the other doesn't. Unless you're talking about having a revolution. Its like yelling fire in a crowded moviehouse. Want to repeal that law? Go ahead. But it just makes sense not to yell FIRE FIRE during a movie and should at the VERY LEAST be frowned upon by logical thinking human beings.
While I completely agree with your defense of your political beliefs based on that persons actions I do have one thing to say. I know what it is that bothers me about you. Whenever you refer to people with different political beliefs you refer to them as your opposition. I would ask that you take a
minute to realize that it is an "us" problem. Not a "them" problem. By which I mean those who are politicly "opposed" to you are Americans. The don't hate America or want to see people hurt or anyth
@DarthTomale - An average liberal across the nation doesn't want to hurt anyone, but you easily find Liberal icons who wish pain or death on Conservatives. It's easy to find Liberal icons who insult America. It's easy to find Liberals icons who think "the enemy" is Conservatives, even as they excuse real threats. And it's easy to find Liberals icons who think a person's rights should depend on how easily managed they are.
@nsx1com No, they both suck equally in different ways. I dislike Liberals, because they have to stick their grubby fingers in the hard-earned money of all business, big and small. I dislike Conservatives because... well just because of some of the decisions they make. However, it's extremely narrow-minded and ignorant of you to say that all Conservatives dislike minorities.
The Left is responsible for more people being dragged out of their homes, in the middle of the night, for what they said, think or believe, than any other political philosophy. What keeps these people in check in the United States is the Constitution and our ability to protect ourselves. Hateful speech? We can't come close to the Left.
@captaindiesalot. Lets see. "The left" vs. "The Right". Um. Maybe you've bought into what politicians want u to think, but the real facts are. 'Left' & 'Right' everyday citizens want pretty much the same things. They want to be left alone by their govt unless they've been cheated or wronged, then they want some type of regulatory agency to fight for them. They want to raise their kids, work, make a decent wage, have clean air & clean water, some place to go when their sick & a little $ to retire
thanks for the video Lee. I feel your frustration at what's going on, but it's never going to change unfortunately. Hypocrisy is just part of the human condition
This was an excellent video and I put it in my favorites.
You did miss one organization that is a violent group but no one ever talks about.
Peta. That's right I said Peta. They openly support groups like A.L.F and they gave $70,000 to a known proud of himself arsonist that openly admits to setting fire to 7 animal testing labs. He's now Peta's main orator.
When prominent right-wing leaders and personalities repeatedly and systematically encourage their masses to enact "second amendment remedies" to "take out" political foes, you can't be outraged if when some nut shoots up a left of center crowd that some will postulate possible connections. While it's not absolutely clear in this case that he was necessarily "nudged", there have been indisputable cases in the past couple of years of actual and attempted gun violence against "liberals" etc.
@genrlcvr. That is made up by anti-american liberals, . William Ayers? Bomber who influenced negative results in todays world. Illegal guns that flow into this country because the radical left wingers wont close the borders . Maybe we should blame liberals for the guns being infiltrated through out the inner cities where murders are commited everyday. Sqeaky Fromm who tryed to kill Gerald Ford , College proffesser last year in GA killed some colleques , she was a radical lefty. All leftists.
@davidandAim We're talking about recent history and what's being promoted by national political leaders and TV personalities, not 1960's radicalism (which was also never promoted by mainstream leaders). Also, Fromme was a Manson family wack-job, not a "liberal." Second, that nutty professor snapped after being rejected for tenure, not because she was a "lefty." Nothing here promoted by the left wing mainstream, unlike e.g. the killing of Dr. Tiller, and the attempted Tides massacre, etc.
Gabriella Gifford I am glad is doing well. Now hear this to all the lib scum. Gifford owns a gun and belongs to the NRA. She love's to hunt like Sarah Palin too Ha! You hypocrites. Oh and she is a conservative Democrat. So ya see she faught for guns rights for the 2nd amendment.
@genrlcvr Didn't say that what so evr. I am a moderate/conservative. I would feel bad if anyone got shot. BUT I am trying to show how quick to judge the liberal media/democrats have been toward Sarah Palin and other gun right owners. I am wondering if the liberals would feel any different now knowing that Gifford was once a Republican and now inowing she is a member of the NRA and faught for guns rights. Also the shooter was following Gifford way bk when she was a republican. See the hypocracy?
This is a great video, both sides of the political spectrum really need to see this video. I am ashamed of some of my party's response to this tragedy. It is understandable to try to get a better understanding of an insane event, but pointing fingers before anyone even had a chance to understand what was happening is asinine.
@archemedes314 wow, really? That's just a dumb, dumb comment. He was pointing out that the blame could be tossed around anywhere. The guy was atheist, a pot-smoker, read the communist manifesto, mein kampf, and ayn rand, so *anyone* who hates *any* of those things could lump him together with those groups to make a point.
@bstnrdsxfrk all we know is that he read the communist manifesto, mein kampf, and ayn rand. To me those are meaningless facts. I've read mein kampf. Even if I listed Mein Kampf on a favorite books list it would be a joke, who knows what he thought of any of those things he read, we simply don't know.
I think it is sheer stupidity that people keeping citing his reading of the communist manifesto and mein kampf as meaning anything, without knowing what he thought of them.
people can't just blame the left... both the right and the left tried to distance themselves from loughner. But you can't just call out liberals. Sean Hannity kept saying he was a liberal over and over the days after the attempt. I am a Liberal (very liberal) and i believe it's wrong to try to categorize his political view. this guy was an unstable psycho, period. But le calling out libs and not conservatives that were also doing the same thing was also sad...
It's why I don't do politics no more. it's all a rage fest. You can't just disagree, you gotta call Obama a socialist who kills old people. Than you got the left calling the right more retarded than dirt.
OK, let me clarify. If people are outraged about misattribution, why aren't they consistent? Why aren't the same people who are outraged about what Olbermann said ALSO outraged about what Beck said, and vice versa? Is this true outrage about the blame game, or just outrage that it hit one's particular political leaning?
I think both Olbermann and Beck are revolting. But I'm among few.
People seem to see right past the obvious. While the media is on the march looking for someone to blame, how can anyone be to blame but the shooter himself. It used to be that one was responsible for their own actions trying to pass your responsibility off on books or tv the whole "rap music made me do it" was laughable, now the media goes out of their way to find excuses for people. 1 man performed this act, 1 man is responsible, demonize him or shut up.
The video with 4 straight minutes of people saying Palin should be shot on Twitter was removed for terms of use violation. How much do you want to bet it was false flagged?
I always look forward to your articulate, well-supported, accurate and intelligent outlook and opinions. I agree with you 100% and thanks for fighting the good fight and never backing down to the radicals. You are well informed and have true intellect. Plus you back up what you report with facts, not name-calling and foul language like so many of your jealous critics. Keep it going, buddy!
not political? are you stupid? this man believed in government conspiracies, he killed a politician because he believed they were taking away freedom, brainwashing people and creating a dictatorship. his act was definitly insane, but not unpolitical, only rightwing doublethinkers like you would believe that.
you cant compare him with reagan's shooter, he shot reagan to impress jodie foster, loughner didn't do anything like that, you robot
Careful what you mean when you say "The left response has..." Because you're painting with a pretty broad brush. I'm a libertarian-leaning, left-leaning moderate and I know *many* friends who are on the left and *very few* of them are saying it is the fault of the right, or the rhetoric of the right, and absolutely do not want to politicize the tragedy.
@BorderlineOffensive Social Security has a relatively simple fix. There's no problem with it and has been one of the most effective government programs.
Medicare on the other hand....that's a different story.
@MinGophers wow r u an idiot? a libertarian is the exact opposite liberal so you are lieing therefore the rest of you comment is either due to idiocy or lieing so please kill your self. Libertarians want the least amount of goverernment possible liberals want the most government possible.
@xHippieHunter Actually no. A statist would be the opposite of a libertarian. Liberals believe in social freedom, but more government in economics. Statists believe in intervention in both. Conservatives believe in government intervention in social issues, but not economics, and libertarians believe in freedom in both.
Liberals and libertarians share that they want social issues left to the people. Economics is where they differ. Capisci?
@MinGophers no you are wrong liberals want intervention in both and also your getting libertarions mixed up. Libertarions don't care about social issues and if they had to pick they would go with conservatives the only thing that has given them that name is the legalization of pot so no your wrong nice try
2.)Libertarians absolutely care about social issues. They advocate less government in them, such as less government in the war on drugs, gay marriage, war, etc etc.
3.) Simply saying I'm wrong does not mean I'm wrong. How about providing some evidence for such outrageous claims, such as "Libertarions don't care about social issues."
@xHippieHunter How can you say libertarians don't care about social issues?Most libertarians who vote conservative,like myself,actually side with liberals on most social issues,but they do so at a state level. We advocate for personal liberty & economic freedom b/c those are the best ways to address social issues.It is infinitely easier to live on the left cuz its more acceptable to be in favor of ie. ObamaCare. What takes wit is to convince someone how to solve problems in lieu of gov't aid.
@jjeeve5 People really need to get their terminology straight. Liberalism supports government interference and violation of individual liberties. Libertarians are as Conservative as you can get, because Conservatism is about personal freedom and small government - such as the government not regulating gay marriage, drugs, etc.
People need to stop saying that Libertarians are Socially Liberal. Liberalism no longer has any connection to its root word meaning "free".
@Supermassively I agree completely, and I understand the distinction. Just saying that libertarians do in fact care about social issues. They just understand that less government provides more equality for all... While liberals seek to utilize government to artificially 'level' the playing field... which always tends to be counter intuitive and have devastating unintended consequences.
@Supermassively Libertarians are socially liberal for the most part. Generally they are for gay marriage and a large number of other social issues and agree with the left on most occasions in that regard.
@kevinhetherington Except that those are not "socially liberal" stances. Liberalism opposes individual liberties and supports overbearing government. The government banning drugs or gay marriage is a Liberal idea, because in politics at least in the United States, "Liberal" no longer has any connection to its Latin root meaning "free".
At 1:30 I hope your tone at the term Athiest was not intentionally implying that an athiest is amoral or less inteligent then anyone else, it just seemed like it was. I'm hoping it was to enforce your main point.
If you want to see a boatload of lefty hate speech, check out "The Face of Hate" article on the atlasshrugs2000 blog. I had forgotten so many people put sniper sights on Bush, called for his hanging, Chris Matthews talking about blowing up Rush Limbaugh's head with a CO2 cartridge, etc. I'm not sure, but I think there's a good amount of "violent rhetoric" in all of that.
If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?" -on finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq- Bill OReilly 2003
Malkin might have these ideas about the left being violent but who died? The only reason we are talking about Tuscon is because of Giffords. George Tiller was murdered after Bill O called him "Tiller the baby killer" a multitude of times. It goes on but righties never accept responsibility and they try to portray themselves as victims. When has a leftie actually killed a right wing loon?
@captaindiesalot I just looked at all the Malkin mug shots.. I didn't see 1 single instance of gun violence. I saw that someone made sexual comments to Anne Coulter and there were a couple of custard pies thrown. I thought this was supposed to be a counter list to all the right wing gun violence of late .i.e. cops shot, churches shot, guy with car full of guns going to the Tides Foundation e.t.c. This list reads like a list of petty crimes carried out by teenage delinquents! Is this a joke?!
hey i agree with what your saying but the movie about bush's assassination was showing how bad things would become if bush died
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The day will come when all will see, that this individual and many others you assume to be real, are in fact simply actors playing a role: creations of the secular new world order, placed in positions of authority at the Federal, State, and Local level for the sole purpose of abolishing The United States Constitution and The Government of The United States of America, and establishing the secular new order: There was no bullet to the head, no JL Loughner, and no deaths at that event 01-08-2011.
theetrue 3 months ago
Its so juvenile to blame conservatives. The left knows they are lying. They are just programmed to blame the other side whether they're right or wrong.They also dont believe in personal responsibility so they don't get it.
cliffyknight 8 months ago 2
@cliffyknight one good thing to come out of this incident is that it would bring more left right individuals closer together as americans. Regardless of their political differences.
failblorg 3 months ago
".." best quote ever.
ManTheBush 8 months ago
This video is a contemptible response to the fact that a deranged gunman, fueled by right-wing hate speech, attempted to assassinate a Democratic Congresswoman.
The right-wing needs to take a step back and do a long self-analysis of their actions over the last decade, which have been "ramped up" enough, thank you.
Once again, you use an ideologue like Michelle Malkin to back up your claims. *shakes head* Malkin is one of the worst proponents of hate-speech.
eminentgentleman 9 months ago
There are plenty of people who have their heads up their ass, on both sides. The man is a certifiable paranoid schizophrenic. I don't thin such simple media can cause such violence. But what is interesting is that when the shooting happened, Palin took down that infamous graphic. What does that suggest?
ZPM7 10 months ago
I'm glad you and I can finally agree on something, and may the poor ones who died in that shooting find peace. I hope Giffords makes the best recovery she can and that we can all be pragmatic about things
NerdboiisAfroMan 1 year ago
Dude, don't give in to and believe that whole "jihad" bullshit that Jews push. Muslims don't commit suicied bombing because they're trying to start a holy war. They commit them because they suffer under the oppression from a military occupation from an invasion over 50 years ago and are still being driven from their homelands. Trust me Palestinians are the victims, and Jews are totally racist but play the part that they're not, and try to frame Arabs for everything.
PlainSight52 1 year ago
@PlainSight52 I don't know what is actually happening to a point but I do know the bullshit that comes out of the general media which paints the Palestinians as racists, psychopaths and just generally evil is wrong. The Israeli's however have been publicly racist. The Jihad is against the imperialistic west which always watches american cavalry films where they wipe out indians just because they have bullets to fire and land to gain, its the same in the middle east just with arabs and oil.
TheConnorian 1 month ago
@TheConn
"paints the Palestinians as racists"
I'll be honest, the decried Hamas has done good work in the Gaza Strip, they hand down their funds without corruption, and are a productive influence to their people...
Except that, on top of all of this, they indoctrinate their people, their children, with hatred for Israel, with fanaticism to commit suicide bombings, that a Jewish states' existence in Palistine is an "affront" to Allah.
They too have been publicly racist, need I show you?
AlaskaFinal 2 weeks ago
@AlaskaFinal Don't worry I've become a little more enlightened since I posted, neither side is good but neither side is truly is bad and both create suffering, but seeming as Israel was just artificially created, unfortunately, by my government when they released the nations of the middle east I would side with a peaceful change but then again there will never be peace in the middle east as long as Israel is there, an unfortunate fact of life.
TheConnorian 2 weeks ago
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@TheConnorian
" there will never be peace in the middle east as long as Israel is there"
That's the fatalist talking. People thought peace between Israel and the Arab nations was impossible, but it happened.
People thought the South African population would always be divided on racial lines, but today they are united.
Were you aware of this?;
/watch?v=Vl9xPNLhPlg
This I believe, shows a path is open to them.
AlaskaFinal 2 weeks ago
Loughner is Jewish. His mom is Jewish, he went to the same synogogue as Giffords. His friend even said this and also clearified he only put Mein Kampf up to make his mom mad. This very material fact is omitted, because for the most part Jews are the problem & are the cause of most others. They have a racist ideaology in believing it's their God given destiny to rule over all of us as their slaves.
PlainSight52 1 year ago
Consider that the motives of all the asasinations you mentioned had cover stories broadcast as truth and had convuluted design in organisation between participants and investigators. Jared Lee Loughner seems completely out of it. He looks like a placed operative with a mind clouded by design. Bush's people most likely made the attempt on Reagans life using a mind controlled pasty. Look at who benifits. Haven't you heard of the Manchurian canidate?
Use a bit of intuition here .
AugustusLarch 1 year ago
whats a tarlet
MrUndertaker170 1 year ago
I agree with everything you said except the debate about the second amendment. There is nothing to debate. It is part of the Constitution. The anti gun lefties need to deal with it. Period.
johnnybravo234 1 year ago
@johnnybravo234 I consider myself a libertarian but we need gun control. Felons shouldn't be able to own guns same with people with mental problems like JLL.
y2zgt 1 year ago
@y2zgt Felons and crazies already arent allowed to own firearms. Unfortunately, he slipped through the cracks. I'm sure that he would have just bought an illegal firearm if he couldnt purchase one legally.
johnnybravo234 1 year ago
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@johnnybravo234 HAve you ever heard of a private dealeR?
y2zgt 1 year ago
@johnnybravo234 unfortunately if you live in a democracy, the only thing that remains "permanent" is the democracy. When "the people" form a majority & have a different idea about the way the "community" should be..they vote on it & rules change. The worst position of any democracy is when they begin to pander to every minority group thereby defeating the ideal of "democracy by majority". I believe there should always be a "set of rules" to deal with minorities, so they aren't trampled out.
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
@hexusziggurat 70 million plus firearms owners say that it is here to stay. This is a democratic republic, not a democracy.
johnnybravo234 1 year ago
@johnnybravo234 i'm not arguing whether its right or wrong or that people won't oppose the idea. The US has become less and less democratic as the years toll on.
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
@johnnybravo234 When some of the greatest atrocities in history were committed by governments against unarmed citizens, the left wants to disarm the citizenry.
ManOfDeath567 1 year ago
It just pisses me off that this has become a "left" or "right" issue..
seemeinHD 1 year ago
I love how you call him just a psychopath, like it is a justification for what he has done. Why didn't those people that were disturbed by who he was and what he said do anything to help him adjust that behaviour? Why didn't the police help him get help for his so called psychotic behaviour. Jared Loughner, like so many other shooters, are perfect examples of how insane this world is. I'm not justifying what he has done, but society has a huge role to play in this horrible event.
darrenc182 1 year ago
@darrenc182 Those close to him didn't seek help for him, but regardless, what he did was evil and wrong. Society can blame him, he cannot blame society and neither should you.
WWCons 1 year ago
@WWCons First of all I am not blaming society, I am simply saying that society's structure helps to create an environment for people like Loughner to perform these disgusting acts. Your close minded perspective tells me that I'm preaching to the choir, but americans still have shootings every 6 months or so and your position has not changed anything. You can either remain insane or you can investigate what the problem is and find a real solution.
darrenc182 1 year ago
@darrenc182 You can investigate all you want, but there will still be evil murderers who will commit murder regardless of investigations, studies, etc. I am anything but closed-minded. I am a realist. Murderers commit murder in EVERY society.
WWCons 1 year ago
If a Republican was shot by someone with vague political views, the right would be doing the exact same thing. The exact same thing. They might even be worse. So get off your high horse.
DashCat9 1 year ago
@DashCat9 LOL it probably wouldn't have even made the news.
johnnybravo234 1 year ago
I've been a pot smoker since i was 13 yrs old..(now 46)..Being a pot smoker has nothing to do with the shooting..if that was the case..I would be in Prison also along with half of the planet..Pot makes you kick back and say fuck it..only side effects that pot has is getting the munchies or sleeping a bit more...Please leave Pot out of it
Midnightryder7 1 year ago
this nut is a lawyer?why does he not say aledged .does he want to taint the jury?does he want to thart the truth and justice.lol he was so carefull not to speak to early.is that a lie ?or bold BS?
stealthgerm 1 year ago
Comon, comon, comon..... That Malkin list detracts from the one working argument that the guy is 'just a nut'. - Stick with that line, you will 'win' of that line.
That Malkin list funny. It's almost exclusively a list of male & female protest geeks who got hauled of by campus cops. Do you think honestly in the bottom of you heart that compares to the far-right anti-government bombers, Abortion Dr & anti-gov cop killers? Please.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
Fuck you, he is about as crazy as Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin. The right wing hate democracy, freedom and justice and that's just a fact. Cowardly and corrupt that's the Republican way.
dellboy99 1 year ago
@dellboy99 - You are so right. Conservatives are much bigger liars/idiots/corrupt than Liberals. For example, the Republican/Conservative "Deficit Hawk" that wants a huge military budget. Our spending on defense/wars is way,way more than is necessary. Conservatives want tax cuts for the super wealthy, and cut Social Security for those who need it. They (the Right) are as corrupt as can be... much more corrupt than the Left.
nsx1com 1 year ago
@nsx1com Get your facts straight. Get informed. You don't know what you're spewing about.
WWCons 1 year ago
@WWCons - You don't know anything about me, but since you want to sound so "informed... fine... name ONE Liberal or Progress assassin... just ONE.
nsx1com 1 year ago
i think you are all focusing too much on one person. This guy should be a reminder of all the other right winger murderers leading up to this incident.
SeerSucker1981 1 year ago
@SeerSucker1981 - Right on! All the assassins are Conservatives. Yet, they (the Right) want to blame everyone else... just another lie on top of all the other lies.
nsx1com 1 year ago
@nsx1com What lies?
WWCons 1 year ago
Blah Blah conservative this Liberal that. Hey how about thinking for yourself and not conform to a political cult.
RivaWitch 1 year ago
I love it when Chris Matthews says we need to end hateful rhetoric and then immediately calls Michelle Bachmann a nutcase... Hypocrisy within 60 seconds
31guitar 1 year ago
@31guitar lol. Whether you think she is or not, a nut-case is someone who needs to be helped.... I mean, do you feel hatred towards schizophrenics? Or the mentally dysfunctional in general? We send people to nut-houses to be cared for, sure there is a shame and stigma but generally no hatred.
You have just redefined everything help you prove your little anecdotal. Astounding.
The only aspect that could be somewhat hateful is perhaps the insensitivity to actually 'nuts' or retarded people.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@CmdrTobs What are you talking about? He is trying to insult her by calling her a nutcase. Thats hateful, trying to insult someone. My God the length you people go to to defend your own. If a conservative called Obama a nutcase, you would be throwing a hissy fit
31guitar 1 year ago
@31guitar You see disagreement, you must see a democrat. Amazing.
Why would anyone consider Chris Mathews anyone's own? He is a establishment hack who LOVED everything about the Bush administration while it was in power. He defends ANYONE in power, he has proven that time and time again. Hence why conservatives who actually pay attention know not to label him a democrat in mud slinging matches.
There you go mentioning Obama, how trite. When will the obsession end.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@CmdrTobs I dont care if Chris Matthews is a democrat or not, I'm pointing out the double standard in the media here and his hypocrisy.
31guitar 1 year ago
@31guitar ??? Oh yeah, that massive double standard of left wingers alluring to violent imagery and egging on their base of gun proud anarchist social rejects who are dying to play militiamen.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@CmdrTobs Has anybody heard about the far-left nut job who attempted to stab the governor of Missouri? He ended up stabbing the Dean of a college. Which media outlets reported on it? A couple local ones really. And other ones made no mention of his left-wing affiliation! So... who are the anarchists again?
31guitar 1 year ago 2
@31guitar Post evidence then I will agree with you 100%.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@CmdrTobs Its not a mainstream source. Because as I stated, the media decided to ignore it.
independentandconservative (dot) blogspot (dot) com/2011/01/on-september-16-2010-there-was (dot) html
31guitar 1 year ago
irrispective of this murder the level of hatred an abuse in the american body politic is poinenes, and has nothing to do with freedom of speach
rictorn 1 year ago
Don't forget Sara Jane Moore, who tried to kill Gerald Ford, was a leftist
rios9000 1 year ago
Also i take no enjoyment out this tragedy, nothing is to be gained politically from six people's murders and the grevious wounding of a Representive, just a stark reminder that things are wrong in these united states, unless things are done, the climate that fosters this type of rhetoric that leads to the Jared Loughners of the world to commit tragedies. Also i wont buy Glenn Reynolds' loaded question, you can make this point without being a liar or exploiting the situation for your own gain.
Remus0387 1 year ago
He commited this crime because he believed she was part of the problem with the world in my opinion, he was responsible for this because of his twisted world view, i dont see why people just want to sweep this under the rug and predictably say "no one could have seen this coming, he's just a loon, that why he shot up the place." Crazy people don't just commit crimes without a reason, albeit a reason that only makes sense to them, so to say that i believe is not true.
Remus0387 1 year ago
You know Lee, i've made my opinion on this issue known at length so i wont go into swathes of detail but i disagree that Jared Lee Loughner was just a psychopath who did the Tucson shooting because he is deranged, he's deranged but he did it because of his politics. His politics may make no sense to a sane person but it why he did it, all the people who knew him and close friends Bryce Tierney and Zach Osler said he was a political loner who though Gabrielle Giffords was a fake.
Remus0387 1 year ago
Is it just me or does this kid look like Jared from Subway?
mapscannotcontainme 1 year ago
Despite the fact that I am a independent-leaning left person, I have to say after listening to your position Doren, I admit you convinced me that the mainstream media has blown this out of proportion.
Yet even though you have convinced me that Sarah Palin's bullshit behavior was not the genesis of this event, I feel this is a landmark for where we should have our political figures take a moment to become more mature about their jobs. That third-grader mud-slinging on both sides needs to end
NiGHTSChao689 1 year ago
So, if rhetoric doesn't lead to violence, why spend so much time listing all the violent rhetoric from the left?
IamGorko 1 year ago
@IamGorko To point out the fact that rhetoric isn't just one-sided.
JidDLeMNidDLe 1 year ago
good job lee.
TJ's video was on this was absolutely terrible. Though i do agree with him on 90% of things.
thecreepyguy 1 year ago
Um. I guess Lee here hasn't ever watched an episode of Glenn Beck then, bcuz Beck himself has told people to go out & buy these books to see what the leftist/socialists are all about. The bottom line is, this dude was nuts. But, it is the brand most exclusively of RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES that incite violence ESPECIALLY since Obama got elected. Sarah Palin w/her crosshairs, Sharon Angle w/her "1st amendment solutions", Michelle Bachman, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh et al. All nutjobs.
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
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The four straight minutes of people calling for Sarah Palin to be shot is down.
"This video has been removed because its content violated YouTube's Terms of Service."
smmessner 1 year ago
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? I've read Mein Kampf, Ayn Rand and am an Atheist... what relevence does that bear to him murdering 6 people? He was probably mentally unstable, and the fact that he'd read those materials, didn't hold a religious view and smoked weed has very little to do with it!
MrOpiumoftheMasses 1 year ago
@MrOpiumoftheMasses Actually, I think that's what Lee was trying to say. That the guy was politically incoherent and that he was probably a nutjob.
jmelkis 1 year ago
illuminati
YungAJ412 1 year ago
If only there could have been a bystander that shot the guy, but guns are only for the bad guys and it's still our fault when criminals kill people.
IamaRifle 1 year ago
@IamaRifle. I guess Arizona's open carry laws didn't help curb that crime now did it?
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic I'm curious as to how, exactly, you came to this conclusion. There is a significant difference between curbing and completely eliminating a certain type of behavior. The fact that this incident happened does not, in any way, mean that carry laws aren't beneficial.
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@Jewavenger. I never said open carry laws should be abolished. We should have open carry in every state. What I'm saying is, a congress woman was shot in plain day in a state THAT HAS open carry laws. & it didn't stop a thing. Fact. I own guns, lots of em. I don't need a magazine that holds more than 10 bullets. If our laws were still on the books regarding large magazines, 21 less bullets would have been fired and probably a lot less people injured. Thats just some common sense.
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic Again, having carry laws doesn't mean there won't still be events like this. Are you aware that 96% of guns used in criminal acts were NOT obtained legally? So the fact is, gun/ammo restrictions are almost entirely irrelevant. Criminals don't respect laws....that's why they are criminals.
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@Jewavenger. Ur making my argument 4 me. If people were trained better in how they handle, store & keep their guns...less guns would get stolen & less guns would B out in the population. Do u have a gun safe? Do u keep ur guns & ammo locked up at all times? I have a quick unlock gun safe that allows me 2 access a loaded gun in seconds if I need it. MOST people do not have gun safes, nor keep them locked up AND keep their guns LOADED/somewhat hidden 4 easy access. Gun shows R a problem as well.
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic You said "If our laws were still on the books regarding large magazines, 21 less bullets would have been fired and probably a lot less people injured." Meaning "your point" is that laws can prevent these things from happening, or at least decrease potential damage. So how did I make your arguement for you? My comment pointed out the inefficacy of gun restrictions, so I actually did the opposite of proving your point.
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@Jewavenger. Try to keep up. Ok? Read YOUR last comment. YOU were saying that "are you aware that 96% of guns used in criminal acts were NOT obtained legally?" And I blew your argument by going farther as to where these "illegal" guns were being sourced from. Home robberies and gun shows. Or how else do you think these firearms end up on the 'black market'? Duh! & the 31 bullets vs 10 is just simple math. 21 less shots fired between reloads. More people would have been alive today. Duh again.
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@Jewavenger. Theres only one thing that a 31 bullet clip is made for, and thats spraying bullets. If you're a sportsman or a marksman, enjoy the sport, hunting, etc....you don't need a 31 bullet clip. If you do, you probably shouldn't own a gun or need to spend some time at a shooting range.
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic First of all, no need to be rude. But if that's how you want to play it, then perhaps YOU should try to keep up with me. AGAIN, your point was that gun laws can stop gun abuse. Are you with me so far? My point was that gun laws DON'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS ABUSE. Do you get that? So let's review this AGAIN. You made a point, and I made a point entirely to the contrary. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? And btw, the majority of illegal guns are obtained through smuggling.
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@Jewavenger. Ah. Now uve outed urself as 1 of those fooled by gun lobby talking points. From 94-2008, 1.8 million attempted firearm purchases were blocked by the Brady background check sys. For checks done by the FBI in 2008, felons accounted for 56 percent of denials & fugitives from justice accounted for 13 percent. Those are the facts. Check out "The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act" @ Wikipedia. I luv guns, but nutjobs need 2B weeded out. We need a better national background check sys.
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@Jewavenger. And what the hell is up with your screen name? I'm Jewish. You're some kind of "Jewavenger"? WTF?
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic As you are probably aware, youtube doesn't let you change your username once created. My username is the result of an immature highschooler's sense of humor. And I think you are taking the avenger part in the opposite direction of which it was intended.
Btw, anyone who even just barely skated through a gov. class should know what the Brady law is, so keep your advice based on false assumptions to yourself.
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic Now to the actual substance of this debate: Your arguement is that in a span of 14 years, 1.8 million guns were kept out of "dangerous hands?" Considering that, on average, there are 5 million guns sold annualy in America (just counting the legal sales), your 1.8 is a laughably small number. And it's rather interesting that when you provide statistics, it is fact. Yet when I do it, it's a talking point. If that's the case, aren't your facts just talking points for your side?
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@Jewavenger. Its seems u lack the ability to read ur own words. Let me help u. "My point was that gun laws DON'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS ABUSE". U claimed something that was completely factually wrong & I called u on it. PLUS, it is a talking used by pro-gun lobbys. Another fact. Ur stats only go to make my point once again. The laws on the books are way too weak. Allowing gun sales at shows w/o background checks is just stupid. Selling guns to mentally challenged people is stupid.
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@Jewavenger. Another fact to mention is, were the #1 leader in the world when it comes to homicide via guns. Want more proof? Look here. en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Gun_violence
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic I'm just curious, do you actually have any sources that aren't Wikipedia? Ok, let me rephrase: our gun laws put a very very very small dent in gun trades to criminals. A dent so small, that it is almost non-existent. Is that better? But if you'd rather split hairs (and be an asshole in the process), then please continue doing so. Practically speaking, my point was correct. But please keep up the denial.
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@Jewavenger But since my previous facts aren't to your liking, let's see if these are: Urban areas have usually have more gun laws than rural areas, yet percentage wise have more crime. According to the FBI 99.9% of all guns in America are not used in violent crimes, and 99.8% aren't used in crimes at all. After strict gun laws were passed in the UK, robberies rose by 40% and 44% in Australia when they did the same.
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic So is it really true that strict gun laws means a safer society or that gun control laws are really even a significant issue at this time?
Btw, you should look into how those gun violence rates are determined, and what is and isn't included, in each country. To say they are misleading is an understatement.
But I'm sure this was all just talking points and couldn't possibly be actual facts, right?
Jewavenger 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic MAGAZINE. He used a 33 ROUND MAGAZINE. A firearm uses magazines which are (sometimes) loaded using clips. A bullet is the "slug" a round is used to fire. You're not the only one that makes those mistakes though
I have numerous firearms and I like the high capacity magazines. It (for me) is a kind of "firing line ranger". I think they're fun.
chulski2 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic That's true. Sticking 30+ bullet mags into a hand portable form was really devised for urban assaults post WW1. Almost all armies I can think of started WW2 with bolt action rifles as their main - which kind of proves that for hunting/sport/defence in peace time shotguns & semi-autos were considered effective.
The only practical need to spray is if you want to kill a lot of soldiers or murder a lot of people. Not things for civilian society.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic Nothing can stop crime from happening. Guns in civilians hands has been proven to stop alot of crimes from happening without even being used. In this case, the best thing would have been to stop the man short of what he did. Trying to uninvent the gun only results in innocent blood on the ground, content criminals, and the continuation of denial from liberals that a potential for violence in the right hands makes a safer society.
IamaRifle 1 year ago
@IamaRifle I never said un-invent the gun nor R 2nd amendment. We SHOULD have open carry in every state. What I'm saying is, a woman was shot in plain day in a state THAT HAS open carry laws. & it didn't stop a thing. Fact. I own guns, lots of em. I don't need a magazine that holds more than 10 bullets. If laws were still on the books re: large magazines, 21 less bullets would have been fired & a lot less people injured. Easy purchase @ gun shows R a problem, same w/poor licensing requirements
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
@JoesMechanic I don't know about you but it only takes me about a solid second to reload a pistol, and if 21 round mags were illegal, I could still get them. Politicians think that they are hurting criminals by restricting assault type weaponry, but it is shown that it only hurts the sheep dogs. If this mans gun was taken away, he probably would have shown up with a full auto ak.
IamaRifle 1 year ago
Anytime someone Say's we should "tamper down our language" or "be more civil" it means they want to shut down their opposition. It's Soviet style fascism.
Eterna1Soldier 1 year ago
@Eterna1Soldier. There a difference between inciting violence and having a civil discourse. One kills and the other doesn't. Unless you're talking about having a revolution. Its like yelling fire in a crowded moviehouse. Want to repeal that law? Go ahead. But it just makes sense not to yell FIRE FIRE during a movie and should at the VERY LEAST be frowned upon by logical thinking human beings.
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
'Politically incoherent' - perfect description of the tea party...
denisdeasy 1 year ago
While I completely agree with your defense of your political beliefs based on that persons actions I do have one thing to say. I know what it is that bothers me about you. Whenever you refer to people with different political beliefs you refer to them as your opposition. I would ask that you take a
minute to realize that it is an "us" problem. Not a "them" problem. By which I mean those who are politicly "opposed" to you are Americans. The don't hate America or want to see people hurt or anyth
DarthTomale 1 year ago
@DarthTomale - An average liberal across the nation doesn't want to hurt anyone, but you easily find Liberal icons who wish pain or death on Conservatives. It's easy to find Liberal icons who insult America. It's easy to find Liberals icons who think "the enemy" is Conservatives, even as they excuse real threats. And it's easy to find Liberals icons who think a person's rights should depend on how easily managed they are.
None of these are political beliefs.
That's "THEM". "WE" disagree.
blastthepunk 1 year ago 9
@blastthepunk - You are a true Fox News viewer. That is exactly the lies that Fox News, and the Religious Right, want you to believe.
You see, it's easy to find Conservatives...
- who believe Liberals are against America.
- who use gun and weapon metaphor against Liberals.
- that say Liberalism is a mental disorder.
- that dislike minorities.
- who say they are "Deficit Hawks", yet they add huge amounts to the deficit.
It's no contest... Conservative suck! Liberals suck much less.
nsx1com 1 year ago
@nsx1com No, they both suck equally in different ways. I dislike Liberals, because they have to stick their grubby fingers in the hard-earned money of all business, big and small. I dislike Conservatives because... well just because of some of the decisions they make. However, it's extremely narrow-minded and ignorant of you to say that all Conservatives dislike minorities.
tesfan4evr 1 year ago
The Left is responsible for more people being dragged out of their homes, in the middle of the night, for what they said, think or believe, than any other political philosophy. What keeps these people in check in the United States is the Constitution and our ability to protect ourselves. Hateful speech? We can't come close to the Left.
captaindiesalot 1 year ago
@captaindiesalot. Lets see. "The left" vs. "The Right". Um. Maybe you've bought into what politicians want u to think, but the real facts are. 'Left' & 'Right' everyday citizens want pretty much the same things. They want to be left alone by their govt unless they've been cheated or wronged, then they want some type of regulatory agency to fight for them. They want to raise their kids, work, make a decent wage, have clean air & clean water, some place to go when their sick & a little $ to retire
JoesMechanic 1 year ago
thanks for the video Lee. I feel your frustration at what's going on, but it's never going to change unfortunately. Hypocrisy is just part of the human condition
lordofthechix 1 year ago
Well said.
grandwolfe 1 year ago
@Atterapravaecclesia: "This is right wings idea of civilized political discourse."
And 85% of the American public doesn't agree.
PoliticallyBlazed 1 year ago
This was an excellent video and I put it in my favorites.
You did miss one organization that is a violent group but no one ever talks about.
Peta. That's right I said Peta. They openly support groups like A.L.F and they gave $70,000 to a known proud of himself arsonist that openly admits to setting fire to 7 animal testing labs. He's now Peta's main orator.
gamingeagle19 1 year ago
He was nuts and people were terrified of him but somehow in the states he was able to get his hands on firearms.
ronantv 1 year ago
@ronantv because our laws make it hard for good citizens to get guns not bad guys.
gamingeagle19 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BJJistheway Well then you are a fucking moron.
ronantv 1 year ago
this guy is steven colbert minus the satire
whchain 1 year ago
@whchain And more intelligent.
shamgar001 1 year ago
@whchain
lol you idiot.
red5llaw 1 year ago
@whchain I don't think so... this guy isn't bipolar.
APPLESAUCE50 1 year ago
When prominent right-wing leaders and personalities repeatedly and systematically encourage their masses to enact "second amendment remedies" to "take out" political foes, you can't be outraged if when some nut shoots up a left of center crowd that some will postulate possible connections. While it's not absolutely clear in this case that he was necessarily "nudged", there have been indisputable cases in the past couple of years of actual and attempted gun violence against "liberals" etc.
genrlcvr 1 year ago
@genrlcvr. That is made up by anti-american liberals, . William Ayers? Bomber who influenced negative results in todays world. Illegal guns that flow into this country because the radical left wingers wont close the borders . Maybe we should blame liberals for the guns being infiltrated through out the inner cities where murders are commited everyday. Sqeaky Fromm who tryed to kill Gerald Ford , College proffesser last year in GA killed some colleques , she was a radical lefty. All leftists.
davidandAim 1 year ago
@davidandAim We're talking about recent history and what's being promoted by national political leaders and TV personalities, not 1960's radicalism (which was also never promoted by mainstream leaders). Also, Fromme was a Manson family wack-job, not a "liberal." Second, that nutty professor snapped after being rejected for tenure, not because she was a "lefty." Nothing here promoted by the left wing mainstream, unlike e.g. the killing of Dr. Tiller, and the attempted Tides massacre, etc.
genrlcvr 1 year ago
Been waiting for this response and I am not disappointed ... well done, very articulately put and so very true
astmagrooved 1 year ago
Gabriella Gifford I am glad is doing well. Now hear this to all the lib scum. Gifford owns a gun and belongs to the NRA. She love's to hunt like Sarah Palin too Ha! You hypocrites. Oh and she is a conservative Democrat. So ya see she faught for guns rights for the 2nd amendment.
davidandAim 1 year ago
@davidandAim So if she wasn't conservative enough for you you wouldn't feel bad that she was shot?
genrlcvr 1 year ago
@genrlcvr Didn't say that what so evr. I am a moderate/conservative. I would feel bad if anyone got shot. BUT I am trying to show how quick to judge the liberal media/democrats have been toward Sarah Palin and other gun right owners. I am wondering if the liberals would feel any different now knowing that Gifford was once a Republican and now inowing she is a member of the NRA and faught for guns rights. Also the shooter was following Gifford way bk when she was a republican. See the hypocracy?
davidandAim 1 year ago
This is a great video, both sides of the political spectrum really need to see this video. I am ashamed of some of my party's response to this tragedy. It is understandable to try to get a better understanding of an insane event, but pointing fingers before anyone even had a chance to understand what was happening is asinine.
crateguy 1 year ago
Lefties are violent in the UK too. check out the "Tutiton fee's riots". Can't believe these guys some times...
Keep up the good work dude =)
UnknownVisions 1 year ago
Loughner was a typical relevoutionary athiest anarcho-communist that takes lyrics from bands like anti-flag seriously.
Except for the fact that he shot a bunch of people.
crutmauler 1 year ago
So what if the guy was an Atheist? What are you implying?
archemedes314 1 year ago
@archemedes314 wow, really? That's just a dumb, dumb comment. He was pointing out that the blame could be tossed around anywhere. The guy was atheist, a pot-smoker, read the communist manifesto, mein kampf, and ayn rand, so *anyone* who hates *any* of those things could lump him together with those groups to make a point.
bstnrdsxfrk 1 year ago 17
@bstnrdsxfrk all we know is that he read the communist manifesto, mein kampf, and ayn rand. To me those are meaningless facts. I've read mein kampf. Even if I listed Mein Kampf on a favorite books list it would be a joke, who knows what he thought of any of those things he read, we simply don't know.
I think it is sheer stupidity that people keeping citing his reading of the communist manifesto and mein kampf as meaning anything, without knowing what he thought of them.
And pot smoker? So?
Staticnz 1 year ago
A whacked out leftist bastard getting people killed?
Must be the Tea Party's fault right?
poplug 1 year ago
people can't just blame the left... both the right and the left tried to distance themselves from loughner. But you can't just call out liberals. Sean Hannity kept saying he was a liberal over and over the days after the attempt. I am a Liberal (very liberal) and i believe it's wrong to try to categorize his political view. this guy was an unstable psycho, period. But le calling out libs and not conservatives that were also doing the same thing was also sad...
one340 1 year ago
Lee this is one of your best videos. This is exactly how I felt, the anger just swelled inside me. Thank you for posting.
dynamitemike65 1 year ago
It's why I don't do politics no more. it's all a rage fest. You can't just disagree, you gotta call Obama a socialist who kills old people. Than you got the left calling the right more retarded than dirt.
So I find both sides sick.
NathanUCSC 1 year ago
@BJJistheway
OK, let me clarify. If people are outraged about misattribution, why aren't they consistent? Why aren't the same people who are outraged about what Olbermann said ALSO outraged about what Beck said, and vice versa? Is this true outrage about the blame game, or just outrage that it hit one's particular political leaning?
I think both Olbermann and Beck are revolting. But I'm among few.
XiaoGui17 1 year ago
@XiaoGui17 What is it about Olberman that people find so outrageous anyway?
LJonathan 1 year ago
People seem to see right past the obvious. While the media is on the march looking for someone to blame, how can anyone be to blame but the shooter himself. It used to be that one was responsible for their own actions trying to pass your responsibility off on books or tv the whole "rap music made me do it" was laughable, now the media goes out of their way to find excuses for people. 1 man performed this act, 1 man is responsible, demonize him or shut up.
MurphyMontefori 1 year ago
Wasn't Reagans attempted assassin also found with a copy of Catcher in the Rye?
mrmanown 1 year ago
@mrmanown then, I guess, we have to ban it ;)
DaniOcean 1 year ago
You are a weasle, Lee.
gabiotta 1 year ago
Nice vid Lee - once again you make some very good points
TheHitCollective 1 year ago
The video with 4 straight minutes of people saying Palin should be shot on Twitter was removed for terms of use violation. How much do you want to bet it was false flagged?
xtreme1002003 1 year ago
the in the toilet tank left wing media scumbags have about the same amount of journalistic integrity as a pile of used diapers.
7judas77 1 year ago
I always look forward to your articulate, well-supported, accurate and intelligent outlook and opinions. I agree with you 100% and thanks for fighting the good fight and never backing down to the radicals. You are well informed and have true intellect. Plus you back up what you report with facts, not name-calling and foul language like so many of your jealous critics. Keep it going, buddy!
WWCons 1 year ago
not political? are you stupid? this man believed in government conspiracies, he killed a politician because he believed they were taking away freedom, brainwashing people and creating a dictatorship. his act was definitly insane, but not unpolitical, only rightwing doublethinkers like you would believe that.
you cant compare him with reagan's shooter, he shot reagan to impress jodie foster, loughner didn't do anything like that, you robot
wargarurumon 1 year ago
when i look at you i see nothing but blankness, you are completely unemotional
wargarurumon 1 year ago
You're making huge generalizations in this video.
Ryanjelly22 1 year ago
lol your computer falls asleep in like every video
BorderlineOffensive 1 year ago
Careful what you mean when you say "The left response has..." Because you're painting with a pretty broad brush. I'm a libertarian-leaning, left-leaning moderate and I know *many* friends who are on the left and *very few* of them are saying it is the fault of the right, or the rhetoric of the right, and absolutely do not want to politicize the tragedy.
MinGophers 1 year ago
@MinGophers u sound like communist scum, only thing that comes to mind when i think of a left leaning libertarian
BorderlineOffensive 1 year ago
@BorderlineOffensive Nah. Just someone who likes lmited government, but also likes the idea of Social Seecurity
MinGophers 1 year ago
@MinGophers so about that social security. How is that working out. Maybe not so bad for the babyboomers but shitty for the forgotten generation.
BorderlineOffensive 1 year ago
@BorderlineOffensive Social Security has a relatively simple fix. There's no problem with it and has been one of the most effective government programs.
Medicare on the other hand....that's a different story.
MinGophers 1 year ago
@MinGophers wow r u an idiot? a libertarian is the exact opposite liberal so you are lieing therefore the rest of you comment is either due to idiocy or lieing so please kill your self. Libertarians want the least amount of goverernment possible liberals want the most government possible.
xHippieHunter 1 year ago
@xHippieHunter Actually no. A statist would be the opposite of a libertarian. Liberals believe in social freedom, but more government in economics. Statists believe in intervention in both. Conservatives believe in government intervention in social issues, but not economics, and libertarians believe in freedom in both.
Liberals and libertarians share that they want social issues left to the people. Economics is where they differ. Capisci?
MinGophers 1 year ago
@xHippieHunter You're so articulate though. Your intelligence really shows through in your reply.
MinGophers 1 year ago
@MinGophers no you are wrong liberals want intervention in both and also your getting libertarions mixed up. Libertarions don't care about social issues and if they had to pick they would go with conservatives the only thing that has given them that name is the legalization of pot so no your wrong nice try
xHippieHunter 1 year ago
@xHippieHunter 1.) It's spelled "Libertarian"
2.)Libertarians absolutely care about social issues. They advocate less government in them, such as less government in the war on drugs, gay marriage, war, etc etc.
3.) Simply saying I'm wrong does not mean I'm wrong. How about providing some evidence for such outrageous claims, such as "Libertarions don't care about social issues."
MinGophers 1 year ago
@xHippieHunter How can you say libertarians don't care about social issues?Most libertarians who vote conservative,like myself,actually side with liberals on most social issues,but they do so at a state level. We advocate for personal liberty & economic freedom b/c those are the best ways to address social issues.It is infinitely easier to live on the left cuz its more acceptable to be in favor of ie. ObamaCare. What takes wit is to convince someone how to solve problems in lieu of gov't aid.
jjeeve5 1 year ago
@jjeeve5 People really need to get their terminology straight. Liberalism supports government interference and violation of individual liberties. Libertarians are as Conservative as you can get, because Conservatism is about personal freedom and small government - such as the government not regulating gay marriage, drugs, etc.
People need to stop saying that Libertarians are Socially Liberal. Liberalism no longer has any connection to its root word meaning "free".
Supermassively 1 year ago
@Supermassively I agree completely, and I understand the distinction. Just saying that libertarians do in fact care about social issues. They just understand that less government provides more equality for all... While liberals seek to utilize government to artificially 'level' the playing field... which always tends to be counter intuitive and have devastating unintended consequences.
jjeeve5 1 year ago
@Supermassively Libertarians are socially liberal for the most part. Generally they are for gay marriage and a large number of other social issues and agree with the left on most occasions in that regard.
kevinhetherington 1 year ago
@kevinhetherington Except that those are not "socially liberal" stances. Liberalism opposes individual liberties and supports overbearing government. The government banning drugs or gay marriage is a Liberal idea, because in politics at least in the United States, "Liberal" no longer has any connection to its Latin root meaning "free".
Supermassively 1 year ago
don't get angry and grab your guns like your friend jared lee loughner
73hd99w 1 year ago
At 1:30 I hope your tone at the term Athiest was not intentionally implying that an athiest is amoral or less inteligent then anyone else, it just seemed like it was. I'm hoping it was to enforce your main point.
Desette 1 year ago
If you want to see a boatload of lefty hate speech, check out "The Face of Hate" article on the atlasshrugs2000 blog. I had forgotten so many people put sniper sights on Bush, called for his hanging, Chris Matthews talking about blowing up Rush Limbaugh's head with a CO2 cartridge, etc. I'm not sure, but I think there's a good amount of "violent rhetoric" in all of that.
WesSeid 1 year ago
If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?" -on finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq- Bill OReilly 2003
thehulk3010 1 year ago
Malkin might have these ideas about the left being violent but who died? The only reason we are talking about Tuscon is because of Giffords. George Tiller was murdered after Bill O called him "Tiller the baby killer" a multitude of times. It goes on but righties never accept responsibility and they try to portray themselves as victims. When has a leftie actually killed a right wing loon?
cryptodud 1 year ago
@cryptodud What do you mean "but who died"? She didn't die dumbass!
You should be asking who shot her, cause if anything, he could be said to be a left wing hippy athiest loon!
But really, he's just a lunitic, but I don't expect empty headed robotic sheep to understand this.
ricadrew 1 year ago
Collective. There you go again.
He owned you because he quoted the constitution to you while you raged back incoherently through bared teeth.
limastelwart60 1 year ago
@captaindiesalot I just looked at all the Malkin mug shots.. I didn't see 1 single instance of gun violence. I saw that someone made sexual comments to Anne Coulter and there were a couple of custard pies thrown. I thought this was supposed to be a counter list to all the right wing gun violence of late .i.e. cops shot, churches shot, guy with car full of guns going to the Tides Foundation e.t.c. This list reads like a list of petty crimes carried out by teenage delinquents! Is this a joke?!