This is embarrassing. Its like watching Federer and Nadal play me and my grandmother at tennis. Widdicombe is so far out of her depth its not even funny.
@Cloud6556 This does have a glimmer of truth. The bankers, money-handlers, and policy makers of this world's nations, are systematically funnelling the 'wealth' of the poor to the top. The bailouts, wars, and global catastrophies that require billion/trillions of dollars worth of aid for corporations. This is the one part of the Bishops testimony that rang with a harsh yet penetrating truth. Hypocritical, perhaps; but his words are paramount.
How hypocritical of Ann Widdecombe to accuse all young people of 'disrespect' whilst spending the entire debate talking over the polite and considered answers of Fry & Hitchens. It was rude when she called that man 'ignorant' because he asked a sincere question (and not to mention she gave a complete non-answer).
Ah yes, very fair debate, nobody except a bishop, who is very intelligent but cannot speak English very well, and a woman who is alright, vs. two men who speak English. Very lopsided debate and I wonder why...
3:27 John's point in the discussion of the 10 commandments... What side is he on in this debate again? Lmao, people even laughed at him.
I mean seriously, what was he thinking??? They really should have pulled better people for the Catholic side of this debate, it was just way too one sided.
5:05 That priestis liar. The Vatican is a country which also has a central bank. Its one of the richest banks in the world. Furthremore, what the fuck does one see when they look at gold statues and monuments? Is that not wealth that could feed the poor?
The the ten commandments do not sit well with me. The first four run "I'm God and I rule" and the other six are entirely circumstantial. Dont steal, not even food to feed your starving children. Dont kill, not even the maniac coming at you with a chainsaw. Dont covet things because aspirations are wrong somehow.
And this says nothing of what ISNT on the list. Rape isnt. Slavery isnt. But you better not say that guys name in vain (which, by the way, is a condition that is never actually defined)
is it me, or does that bishop make everything directly about Africa. i mean that wasnt the question.... jesus. 'What do you think about the money the Vatican has...well its not coming to Africa. what ?
@OkamsRazer on the related videos, click on the second one "4/5 the intelligence squared debate" by ivriMarkus. I would have posted the link, but for some reason youtube won't let me.
" I know this sounds like racist".Distance language .That says it all ,innit?.Funny Saudi Arabia was not mentioned by these academics .They do have an automatic death sentence.
Now rhis is going to sound racist but ain't it odd how the Africans are so pro- Christian? Sad really. Please return to your own beliefs and people and help yourselves - they are like my people - the Irish - until we woke up.
@osemoboable I agree the Catholics did respond well in a civilised manner but I also think that they cannot be blocked together as civilised as it would be stereotyping. But if you think that they are "civilised" so are Muslims since their faith is also a moral outline in many ways like the 10 commandments. It is due to lack of knowledge that you may presume they cannot voice their opinions in an articulate manner as they have the same level of intelect as catholics since they are also humans.
@xxsarusiacutiexx ...That may be true,but sincerely speaking am scared arguing with a muslem not on their intelectual level,they just cant agree on simple changes to their idea and u cannot have this kind of debate were they are many; they can start throwing stones.
@xxsarusiacutiexx ...I dont trust any either,i was after the great Hitchens debate and i find myself here. You see my brother used to be a good man but since he became christain all things change and now think negatively.... I think is better one live and leaves this world like Hitchens,Mark twain and Bertrand Russel.
No women priests.No gays .Catholic is not perfect.And billions of worshipers will continue to stand by the church.You don't like it .Start your own feminist churches and gay .Simple.The church won't back down.Good luck in trying and you will never win.
@Conservatitive you should be a comedian. You made me laugh so hard....wow! So you do exist...the very people Hitchens and Fry describe are out there. I am shocked. The very fact that you turn it into a win or lose situation betrays your church;s origins....a dictatorship who control through fear. I can't articulate it as good as the guys on this video - please. Sit down. Look out your window. Relax. Then go consider your beliefs. Are they more about your fear of what happens to you after death?
Bit of a contradiction here, Ann Widdecombe stated earlier that the Catholic Church was responsible for sending billions of pounds of aid to people across the world, and yet 5:14 is a direct contradiction
What the hell kind of format was this? They asked audience members and went to more questions? I kept thinking, "wow that's a great question," only to hear, "next question." No I like that one! Horrible way to take questions...
@Radius1986 The church representatives were chosen specifically because they represent two of the most persecuted groups in Catholic history: women and blacks.
"Why on earth can the Church not find better players though?" There aren't any. Evil is evil is evil. You could have the Pope try to spin it and he would fail.
As much as I am against the Catholic Church, I have to say that this debate seemed utterly one-sided, in that the two powerful and articulate figures of Hitchens and Fry were no match for the Archbishop and Widdecombe.
It wasn't an appropriate match at all. This whole debate was like a boxing match between Muhammed Ali and Barney Rubble. The latter being the Catholic Church.
@r0ck3tsm0k3 They do the same with questions for guest lecturers at universities, and I agree its super annoying. But at least here you can go back and rewatch the question :)
Has any one noticed that all the catholic audience members basically shouted about how great the church is and didn't actually ask any worthwhile questions, or when they did, they were based on incorrect assumptions?
@StrandedMonkey@humand1saster Christopher Hitchens became an American citizen several years ago, in 2007. He did that for a reason. He found Jefferson, in particular, one of the greatest men in history.
I can feel with that guy at 4:00, I think it's wrong for women being denied to become a priest. And honesly, females would make much better priests than men!
@mlwwlm You don't go to hell for being rich. You go to hell for what you do for and what you do with that wealth. Corruption is an ugly thing. Anymore questions?
@ixigray No, I believe that what he was saying is that the moral implications of the commandments are so deeply embedded in society that even those who have not read the bible will be aware of them. Thus enforcing his argument that the commandments are a force for good in society.... assuming that his father was not born before the creation of the commandments. (I am not actually for the church, I just wanted to clarify)
@BarryDong It's because she knows that if she doesn't push her voice to the highest octave, she'd sound like the hateful, bitter, gritty, misanthropic old man she is.
"thou shalt have no other gods before" yes, so lets discriminate and anihilate the people who don't believe in our god( which they did). that spreading bigotry right there. i guess god doens't know the concept of freedom of believe.
Ah, Ann Widdecombe. Next to perhaps Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, I doubt there is a human alive whose physical appearance is more appropriate to their station in life >_>
Ann Widdecombe would be a mass-murdering, adulterous, thieving, blasphemous, law-breaking, sabbath-working, lying, jealous, polytheistical brat who knowingly laughs in the face of a jealous god were it not be for the divine sanctity of the ten commandments; Which ironically, would make her more in common with the god that she chooses to worship.
@CyprusHot If that is true then atleast unlike a lot of married people or couples where the religious man/woman would be intolerant of the other, he is not. Are you saying that he should be? You have just patently exposed your own immorality. You only further boost Hitchen's Superior Morality and shame your own.
@Pantera4LifeXTX Not at all. There is a difference between observing something and someone else actually living with someone who is religious. Put it this way : Hitchens mocks, laughs AT religion. Yet he is disrespecting his wife who DOES believe in God. In your pathetic attempt to use my morality to change the topic, you failed. Try and remain on topic, if you cannot... then take your sleeping pills.
@CyprusHot Why don't you interview them to find out more about there personal life. They obviously are still together even though they are different which is more than I could say for the majority of the religious who wouldn't even consider marrying someone who wasn't a creatard like themselves. Get it yet? My woman is Buddhist and I'm an Atheist, So what? So you think that it is moral to not be with someone simply because you have different beliefs? Take your head out of your ass.
@Pantera4LifeXTX The question is, would you go on tv or make speeches making jokes about Buddhism and would your wife be happy about that? I don't think so. You ignorant person....
@CyprusHot I think he gives religion it's minute amount of respect that it deserves. I don't know how there relationship is and I'm not concerned with that. I'm concerned with the topic at hand (The Catholic Church). Hitchens could take a shot and kill more brain cells then your feeble mind will ever produce. Now be gone. I can't waste time arguing with an imbecile like you.
@Pantera4LifeXTX No, he is dedicated a lot his time to religion. Also, you are changing the topic again, you replied to me and I have replied back. It is your fault you have lost it. You didn't answer the question because you know what the answer is. Ignorance is bliss.
What a stacked debate...You get a Cardinal who barely can speak english and a woman with an annoying voice...put them against one of the most charismatic, well-spoken, and quick witted atheists (christopher hitchens), and against a gay man who misrepresents the Church all over the place. When will atheists get the balls to actually have a debate against a quick-witted, knowledgeable, and english speaking Catholic defender? And don't fall to the cheap atheist cop out by saying there isn't any.
@udmgraduate because they have extremists on both sides of the coin present, which is the main thing, you find me a quick witted, knowledgable and english speaking extremist catholic that is charismatic, im not saying there arent any, but please, name some that would be relevant to the public / in the public eye?
The second person to ask a question, blonde woman in pink, is so ignorant I actually had to pause the video to type this. She thinks that it is the Catholic Church that gave us the 10 commandments? Her own bible would tell her that Moses got the commandments from God thousands of years before the Catholic Church began.
@MrSelidor7 As i understood it it has religious reasons (Men somehow resemble jesus more). I'm fine with that argument. One can't argue with beliefs (Religion is for what is beyond reason - if there is anything.). If one believes women should be allowed to be priest he/she simply cannot claim to have the same belief system as Widdecombe. But you could say your protestant or you believe in your own "personal catholicism".
love how Onaiyekan shoots himself in the foot by implying that morals dont require religion to exist when he says his father lived the 10 commandments before even becoming a christian. . Fry & Hitchens both hold their arms in the air as if to say well theres not point counter arguing there!
Zeinab Badawi is the best moderator I have seen yet. Not only is she respectful to all of the debators, but is courteous to the audience even when she attemtps to expedite the Q&A section.
Catholicism appeals to the poor and oppressed as a means for salvation from a hard and hopeless life. Religion preys on the weak and dispossessed and just because catholocism is so widespread is a reason why there is so much wrong in this world.
I read on a christian site that "Thou shalt not murder" is not a perfectly correct translation, it's supposed to be "Thou shalt not murder without good reason". How is that a moral base?
Onaiyekan sounds like he can barely elucidate his points. Not sure if it's the language barrier, the brainwashing of the church, or drugs causing that, but it's obvious that he should never have been on the dais.
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Didn't Onaiyekan just make a point AGAISNT himself, at 3:33? The fact that much of the 10 commandments, specifically those about morals such as not killing/stealing/cheating etc, are already known to us without religion?
@ixigray Well despite me being a form opponent against religion as a whole, my search that led towards that decision also made me cross the bible scriptures. If he's knowledgeable about the bible, he could oppose your remark, quoting Paul, which states that all people cannot ignore god, as he presents himself to "Gentiles" by means of the signs in the natural world, including social behavior. Rubbish, I know, but religion evolves, and so did the bible, able to "explain away contradictions".
@ixigray - yes, he does. Not that that will mean anything to him (or any other religious crackpot). Logic and reason are not exactly their 'strong points'. Also, Ann has told us that BILLIONS are poured into Africa (during her speech) - but John (in this part at 5.20) tells us that these BILLIONS do not make it to Africa. Hmmm.
@ixigray Yes exactly. I even wonder if he wanted to make a case for the Christianity's 10 commandments in the first place. If I wanted to make a point on the universalness of those few of 10 commandments that are acctually right I could not phrase it better.
"Did Jesus Christ himself actually say anything about homosexuality?"
"That is a wrong question in this regard."
No, that is the exact, correct question. Jesus never said a word about homosexuality, and for the Catholic Church who purports to speak the word of God, aka Jesus Christ, they are putting words in the Creator's mouth that he never spoke.
im amazed at how stupid that bishop is
Jrix73 3 days ago
"The ten commandments, are in the bible" great addition Bishop
NickPaulOates 5 days ago 2
You may have heard english... but what stephen fry and christopher hitchens really said/did to the opposition was actually more like this...
"FUS RO DAH!!!"
Denchanter357 1 week ago 4
lady at 6:43. where the actual fuck are you from. I can honestly say i haven't heard someone with that type of accent before in my life.
raptorjesus11 1 week ago
the 10 commandments are just fuking common sense there is no need for any fucking god.
Jeorgy92 1 week ago
@4:09 Listen to that giggle.
Pipebombdreams 1 week ago
George Carlin adressed the ten commandments better than anyone
Ziduken1959 2 weeks ago 3
The 10 Commandments: a set of laws bestowed to Moses by Yahweh...up on a mountain...where no one was around.
ThePhantom135 2 weeks ago 4
The 'WHAT ARE YOU FOR' is the intellectual equivalent of 'THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA'!!! :)
amar1989 2 weeks ago 6
Fry and Hitchens should have apologised. This is verbal rape lol.
jman945x 2 weeks ago
Do not covet... tell that to the man with a gold chair.
NotDuncan 3 weeks ago
The idea of compulsory love has always struck me as a bit shady.
Thor24x 3 weeks ago
the bishop says: jesus spoke of the ten commandment's
Stephen Fry is like: wait, tha fuck?!?
makano1 3 weeks ago 5
The for arguement didn't have a hope with Ann Widdicombe on side. The woman is a lunatic and her voice sounds like someone is stamping on a kitten
jaz88pa 3 weeks ago
Ann Widdecombe's voice. It makes you want to stick a screwdriver in your ears.
MukuroRasetsu 4 weeks ago
Widdecombe and the idiot in the robes have nowhere to go...
timchilli 4 weeks ago
This is embarrassing. Its like watching Federer and Nadal play me and my grandmother at tennis. Widdicombe is so far out of her depth its not even funny.
iloveneytiri 4 weeks ago 2
Those comments were pointless and annoying. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT THE AUDIENCE GOT OUT OF THE DEBATE
ScoopMeisterGeneral 4 weeks ago
her fucking screeching voice.
lianghaochen 1 month ago 24
"The multinationals are the ones who should bring the money back to us" *wears massive fuck off gold chains*
Cloud6556 1 month ago
@Cloud6556 This does have a glimmer of truth. The bankers, money-handlers, and policy makers of this world's nations, are systematically funnelling the 'wealth' of the poor to the top. The bailouts, wars, and global catastrophies that require billion/trillions of dollars worth of aid for corporations. This is the one part of the Bishops testimony that rang with a harsh yet penetrating truth. Hypocritical, perhaps; but his words are paramount.
seraphimra 1 week ago
How hypocritical of Ann Widdecombe to accuse all young people of 'disrespect' whilst spending the entire debate talking over the polite and considered answers of Fry & Hitchens. It was rude when she called that man 'ignorant' because he asked a sincere question (and not to mention she gave a complete non-answer).
GenericRubbishName 1 month ago 5
4.13 Stephens yellow socks FTW!!!
MissSorrow100 1 month ago
Ah yes, very fair debate, nobody except a bishop, who is very intelligent but cannot speak English very well, and a woman who is alright, vs. two men who speak English. Very lopsided debate and I wonder why...
comeonfolks 1 month ago
@comeonfolks Do you mean to say that the speakers have been chosen to make sure one side loses?
frumpman 1 month ago
@comeonfolks I think the real reason it is unfair is because Fry and Hitchens have the considerable weight of truth behind their words...
brucechrist 1 month ago
@comeonfolks The bishop is from Nigeria they speak English that is an accent not proof of someone who 'cannot speak English very well'
PaulBrudenell1990 1 month ago
4:09 john laughs just like rafiki from the lion king!
jazziestge0ff 1 month ago
3:27 John's point in the discussion of the 10 commandments... What side is he on in this debate again? Lmao, people even laughed at him.
I mean seriously, what was he thinking??? They really should have pulled better people for the Catholic side of this debate, it was just way too one sided.
Hungryturtlez 1 month ago
I'll feel sorry for John Onaiyekan. He's not really cut out for this debate.
FrankBiggle 1 month ago
Then what are u FOOOORRRR!!!!! Epic^^
RzzRBladez 1 month ago 43
5:05 That priestis liar. The Vatican is a country which also has a central bank. Its one of the richest banks in the world. Furthremore, what the fuck does one see when they look at gold statues and monuments? Is that not wealth that could feed the poor?
Vatican is greed.
Tzimnewman3 1 month ago 2
"That really does portray a vast ignorance." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
paulo101 1 month ago
Lol @ "honor your mother and thy father - Think of today's disrespect" ... What the hell is she talking about?
MrOceanPenguin 1 month ago
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Remman 1 month ago
The the ten commandments do not sit well with me. The first four run "I'm God and I rule" and the other six are entirely circumstantial. Dont steal, not even food to feed your starving children. Dont kill, not even the maniac coming at you with a chainsaw. Dont covet things because aspirations are wrong somehow.
And this says nothing of what ISNT on the list. Rape isnt. Slavery isnt. But you better not say that guys name in vain (which, by the way, is a condition that is never actually defined)
CPCGamer 1 month ago
@CPCGamer "honor your mother and your father." what about if they abused their children and/or neglect them?! do their kids still have to honor them?
saramartins95 1 month ago
Wow, I'm a lappsed Catholic - Stephen Fry words moved me to tears! Ironically I suspect his words will resonate most with Catholics.
willhum 1 month ago
08:00 yes! Fry!
smmmithhh 1 month ago
is it me, or does that bishop make everything directly about Africa. i mean that wasnt the question.... jesus. 'What do you think about the money the Vatican has...well its not coming to Africa. what ?
Beccrawr 1 month ago
3:30-3:43 Wasn't this guy supposed to be on the church's side?
ReddSquall 1 month ago
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the gold here is at 8:05 and his answer is just, white noise
goldbluntz 1 month ago
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goldbluntz 1 month ago
10:09 - 10:11 i swear i here somone mention ----condoms are work of satan when the lady asked about condoms being reconsidered.
xxJackeeboixx 1 month ago
@xxJackeeboixx You're not imagining it. At least if you are, then I am too.
STEELWOLFF666 1 month ago
seems there is a piece of Fry cut off this clip between #3 and this. Anyone know how much is missing?
OkamsRazer 1 month ago
@OkamsRazer on the related videos, click on the second one "4/5 the intelligence squared debate" by ivriMarkus. I would have posted the link, but for some reason youtube won't let me.
ed6394epp 1 month ago
@ed6394epp thanks
OkamsRazer 1 month ago
@OkamsRazer ye i saw it as well
ARAFELI 1 month ago in playlist More videos from Gala2006
@OkamsRazer /watch?v=PwkiJDuukS4 Not sure but someone uploaded just Stephen so here is a link if you want it
GotenksJr 1 month ago
@GotenksJr someone already replied about it but thanks since the only missing piece was about 2-3 minutes of the beginning, just a little blip .
OkamsRazer 1 month ago
@lisduggan:
" I know this sounds like racist".Distance language .That says it all ,innit?.Funny Saudi Arabia was not mentioned by these academics .They do have an automatic death sentence.
Conservatitive 2 months ago
Now rhis is going to sound racist but ain't it odd how the Africans are so pro- Christian? Sad really. Please return to your own beliefs and people and help yourselves - they are like my people - the Irish - until we woke up.
lisduggan64 2 months ago
Wonderful i never believe that the catholics followers are so civilize,see how they easily accepts with no fury,very different to muslems.
osemoboable 2 months ago
@osemoboable I agree the Catholics did respond well in a civilised manner but I also think that they cannot be blocked together as civilised as it would be stereotyping. But if you think that they are "civilised" so are Muslims since their faith is also a moral outline in many ways like the 10 commandments. It is due to lack of knowledge that you may presume they cannot voice their opinions in an articulate manner as they have the same level of intelect as catholics since they are also humans.
xxsarusiacutiexx 2 months ago
@xxsarusiacutiexx ...That may be true,but sincerely speaking am scared arguing with a muslem not on their intelectual level,they just cant agree on simple changes to their idea and u cannot have this kind of debate were they are many; they can start throwing stones.
osemoboable 2 months ago
@osemoboable But wouldn't christians do that too? They have in the past and in some countries can be totally deluded
xxsarusiacutiexx 2 months ago
@xxsarusiacutiexx ...I dont trust any either,i was after the great Hitchens debate and i find myself here. You see my brother used to be a good man but since he became christain all things change and now think negatively.... I think is better one live and leaves this world like Hitchens,Mark twain and Bertrand Russel.
osemoboable 2 months ago
No women priests.No gays .Catholic is not perfect.And billions of worshipers will continue to stand by the church.You don't like it .Start your own feminist churches and gay .Simple.The church won't back down.Good luck in trying and you will never win.
Conservatitive 2 months ago
@Conservatitive you should be a comedian. You made me laugh so hard....wow! So you do exist...the very people Hitchens and Fry describe are out there. I am shocked. The very fact that you turn it into a win or lose situation betrays your church;s origins....a dictatorship who control through fear. I can't articulate it as good as the guys on this video - please. Sit down. Look out your window. Relax. Then go consider your beliefs. Are they more about your fear of what happens to you after death?
lisduggan64 2 months ago
Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens vs...Anne Widdecombe and John Onaiyekan. Wow...it's like Gods vs amoeba.
TheMessiersAndromeda 2 months ago 2
I think Anne W is a secret atheist, setting up Hitchens with ridiculous beliefs just so he can easily slap em down. its that or she's a thick bint
richardellipsis 2 months ago
Bit of a contradiction here, Ann Widdecombe stated earlier that the Catholic Church was responsible for sending billions of pounds of aid to people across the world, and yet 5:14 is a direct contradiction
LastKissGoodbye 2 months ago
For women like Anne Widdecombe, adultery is a necessity - not a sin. I feel for whatever wakes up to that every morning..
x3lozzz 2 months ago
The billions are not with the catholic church he says, with his £200 solid silver cross.
How many starving children would that thing fucking feed?
You make me want to puke.
DaToNyOyO 2 months ago
What the hell kind of format was this? They asked audience members and went to more questions? I kept thinking, "wow that's a great question," only to hear, "next question." No I like that one! Horrible way to take questions...
KyleGCorcoran 2 months ago
blah blah blah 10 commandments... and yet vatican city is the crime capital of the world and by a long way.
Kulkieeeee 2 months ago
@Kulkieeeee Even if you accept that fucking a 14 year old is OK over there.
DaToNyOyO 2 months ago
All the editing ruins this
musicksol 2 months ago
I like the fact that a debate like this can take place. Why on earth can the Church not find better players though?
Radius1986 2 months ago 32
@Radius1986 Because they don't exist.
DaToNyOyO 2 months ago
@Radius1986 The church representatives were chosen specifically because they represent two of the most persecuted groups in Catholic history: women and blacks.
DeJach 1 month ago
@Radius1986 hitchens has already embarassed them
alexlati1 3 weeks ago
@Radius1986 they don't have any.
Devoti 3 weeks ago
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"Why on earth can the Church not find better players though?" There aren't any. Evil is evil is evil. You could have the Pope try to spin it and he would fail.
UseYerEFFINBrain 3 weeks ago
As much as I am against the Catholic Church, I have to say that this debate seemed utterly one-sided, in that the two powerful and articulate figures of Hitchens and Fry were no match for the Archbishop and Widdecombe.
It wasn't an appropriate match at all. This whole debate was like a boxing match between Muhammed Ali and Barney Rubble. The latter being the Catholic Church.
Radius1986 2 months ago
@Radius1986 Well, Barney was an outsider but you know, I go with Betty. But I;d be thinking of Wilma.
DaToNyOyO 2 months ago
What is with the piling up of questions before the reply? That is an annoying format.
r0ck3tsm0k3 2 months ago
@r0ck3tsm0k3 They do the same with questions for guest lecturers at universities, and I agree its super annoying. But at least here you can go back and rewatch the question :)
blablomma 2 months ago
Has any one noticed that all the catholic audience members basically shouted about how great the church is and didn't actually ask any worthwhile questions, or when they did, they were based on incorrect assumptions?
MrPackMan1992 2 months ago
I wish Americans could be this smart
StrandedMonkey 2 months ago 4
@StrandedMonkey @humand1saster Christopher Hitchens became an American citizen several years ago, in 2007. He did that for a reason. He found Jefferson, in particular, one of the greatest men in history.
seraphilm0 2 months ago
Why don't they have stuff like this on tv in America?
humand1saster 2 months ago 4
7.22 Anne writing down that guy's name to kill after the show.
potterluvver 2 months ago 2
Did nobody think about telling her maybe Catholicism didn't make the 10 commandments?...
Bunters196 2 months ago
I can feel with that guy at 4:00, I think it's wrong for women being denied to become a priest. And honesly, females would make much better priests than men!
BayAreaOrBust 2 months ago
The 346 undecided about the proposal are against it, they just can't bring themselves to say it.
TomVodkaCollins 2 months ago in playlist More videos from Gala2006
Until very recently I was a devout catholic.
Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry just did a good job describing my disillusionment with the church as a whole.
If I met the pope I would ask him one question.
"You live in a Gilded marble palace built with funds that were taken from selling indulgences.
how can you have the Audacity to tell me I'm going to hell if I get rich?"
but we all know the real answer. When people get wealth they see the church for what it is: A racket.
mlwwlm 2 months ago 53
@mlwwlm You don't go to hell for being rich. You go to hell for what you do for and what you do with that wealth. Corruption is an ugly thing. Anymore questions?
elporteroful 2 months ago
My brain imploded.
vinsong 2 months ago
@ixigray No, I believe that what he was saying is that the moral implications of the commandments are so deeply embedded in society that even those who have not read the bible will be aware of them. Thus enforcing his argument that the commandments are a force for good in society.... assuming that his father was not born before the creation of the commandments. (I am not actually for the church, I just wanted to clarify)
klnoob1 3 months ago
Honour the genius that is Christopher Hitchens.
Thou shall not question Stephen Fry.
KelloggsMaria 3 months ago
@KelloggsMaria On the contrary: Thou shalt question Stephen Fry. There is no better way to realize that he is damn right.
TomFynn 2 months ago 2
I can't be the only one skipping over the parts where the delusional, fairy tale beleivers are expressing their OPINIONS...am I?
amurdough 3 months ago 4
@amurdough I do it all the time, only when they have something original to say do I listen to them.
subgay 3 months ago
I do belive that Jesus said love everyone as you would love yoruself or something along those lines
that means that you should love and respect everyone regardles of thier race, gender, sexual orientation, personality, views or belifs
not love and respect everyone who agrees with you and slander and discriminate against the people you dissagree with
TeratusVantian 3 months ago
Stephen Fry, a polymath and a genius.
Anne Widdecombe - A daft religious bigot with the most annoying voice ever to violate my eardrums.
BarryDong 3 months ago 117
@BarryDong Widicombe sounds like's Brian's mother in Life of Brian...are you sure it's not Terry Jones in drag?
lisduggan64 2 months ago
@BarryDong It's because she knows that if she doesn't push her voice to the highest octave, she'd sound like the hateful, bitter, gritty, misanthropic old man she is.
enHanzable 2 months ago
@BarryDong Thank you! I thought I was the only one that couldn't stand to hear her speak, despite her position. I shiver hearing her voice :D
zackersquackers 1 month ago
Stephen Fry was in V for Vendetta. Your argument is now invalid.
TheSH1N1GAM1 3 months ago
NO wonder the audience laugh at the statement of that blond woman.
n0iwont 3 months ago
I have NEVER seen anyone clap in a more condescending way than Christopher Hitchens at 6:34. Perfect, as always.
movieegrl13 4 months ago
"thou shalt have no other gods before" yes, so lets discriminate and anihilate the people who don't believe in our god( which they did). that spreading bigotry right there. i guess god doens't know the concept of freedom of believe.
mechupanlamonda 4 months ago
is there a link to the full debate - you can tell this one has been cut
theVIIStar 4 months ago
Ah, Ann Widdecombe. Next to perhaps Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, I doubt there is a human alive whose physical appearance is more appropriate to their station in life >_>
rjs01007 4 months ago 2
8:30
watch his dignity dissolve
Technicolor909 4 months ago
This is a severely edited version of the panel... They all say a lot more than is given here...
henrybrice86 4 months ago
Ann Widdecombe would be a mass-murdering, adulterous, thieving, blasphemous, law-breaking, sabbath-working, lying, jealous, polytheistical brat who knowingly laughs in the face of a jealous god were it not be for the divine sanctity of the ten commandments; Which ironically, would make her more in common with the god that she chooses to worship.
WIltshireByways 4 months ago
Eat da poo poo
HansMoleman112 4 months ago 4
@HansMoleman112 You haz won the internetz.
vinsong 2 months ago
Is it just me, or does it seem like those arguing for Catholicism are just beating around the main points?
danagan123 4 months ago
HER VOICE AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
MrTranscendentalMind 4 months ago
Religion is cancer
LJUncut 4 months ago
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Fucking LEARN ENGLISH!!!
DementedScrew 5 months ago
9:00 was a wtf moment
hazzario 5 months ago
6:30 onwards even christopher hitchens admires Anne's response haha
CyprusHot 5 months ago
Hitchens is a bit funny... he is married to a Greek woman who goes to church Lol SO HE IS MARRIED TO A WOMAN WHO BELIEVES
CyprusHot 5 months ago
@CyprusHot If that is true then atleast unlike a lot of married people or couples where the religious man/woman would be intolerant of the other, he is not. Are you saying that he should be? You have just patently exposed your own immorality. You only further boost Hitchen's Superior Morality and shame your own.
Pantera4LifeXTX 4 months ago
@Pantera4LifeXTX Not at all. There is a difference between observing something and someone else actually living with someone who is religious. Put it this way : Hitchens mocks, laughs AT religion. Yet he is disrespecting his wife who DOES believe in God. In your pathetic attempt to use my morality to change the topic, you failed. Try and remain on topic, if you cannot... then take your sleeping pills.
CyprusHot 4 months ago
@CyprusHot Why don't you interview them to find out more about there personal life. They obviously are still together even though they are different which is more than I could say for the majority of the religious who wouldn't even consider marrying someone who wasn't a creatard like themselves. Get it yet? My woman is Buddhist and I'm an Atheist, So what? So you think that it is moral to not be with someone simply because you have different beliefs? Take your head out of your ass.
Pantera4LifeXTX 4 months ago
@Pantera4LifeXTX The question is, would you go on tv or make speeches making jokes about Buddhism and would your wife be happy about that? I don't think so. You ignorant person....
CyprusHot 4 months ago
@CyprusHot I think he gives religion it's minute amount of respect that it deserves. I don't know how there relationship is and I'm not concerned with that. I'm concerned with the topic at hand (The Catholic Church). Hitchens could take a shot and kill more brain cells then your feeble mind will ever produce. Now be gone. I can't waste time arguing with an imbecile like you.
Pantera4LifeXTX 4 months ago
@Pantera4LifeXTX No, he is dedicated a lot his time to religion. Also, you are changing the topic again, you replied to me and I have replied back. It is your fault you have lost it. You didn't answer the question because you know what the answer is. Ignorance is bliss.
CyprusHot 4 months ago
What a stacked debate...You get a Cardinal who barely can speak english and a woman with an annoying voice...put them against one of the most charismatic, well-spoken, and quick witted atheists (christopher hitchens), and against a gay man who misrepresents the Church all over the place. When will atheists get the balls to actually have a debate against a quick-witted, knowledgeable, and english speaking Catholic defender? And don't fall to the cheap atheist cop out by saying there isn't any.
udmgraduate 5 months ago
@udmgraduate because they have extremists on both sides of the coin present, which is the main thing, you find me a quick witted, knowledgable and english speaking extremist catholic that is charismatic, im not saying there arent any, but please, name some that would be relevant to the public / in the public eye?
Syph0nFilt3r 5 months ago
Wow. John Onaiyekan's response to the question about the 10 commandments was quite admirable. 3:22
AlternateKarmaSource 5 months ago
The second person to ask a question, blonde woman in pink, is so ignorant I actually had to pause the video to type this. She thinks that it is the Catholic Church that gave us the 10 commandments? Her own bible would tell her that Moses got the commandments from God thousands of years before the Catholic Church began.
mandosaro 5 months ago
Am I the only one who noticed the gap between parts 3 and 4?
prezoftheworld 5 months ago 162
@prezoftheworld apparently
Superbruce25 4 months ago
@prezoftheworld Yeah, that was annoying.
KungfuCow5 4 months ago
@KungfuCow5 There are two users with the debate in five parts; ivriMarkus and Gala2006. Perhaps you watched part 3 from one and part 4 from another?
mrmendicantbias 3 months ago
@prezoftheworld Find it because the point he was making as it was cut off is one of the highlights of his speech!
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@prezoftheworld no did i too, i bet the pope cut it out and filed in the da vinci code ;)
ubernagash 3 months ago
@prezoftheworld No, I did too. Shame, I wanted to hear the rest of Fry's point about Jesus and the Catholic Church.
panicBoydotcom 3 months ago
@prezoftheworld - That was put in at the request of the Catholic Church, so they could hide their god in it.
iLIKEtotallyL0VEit 2 months ago
@prezoftheworld no
rainerfilm 2 months ago
@prezoftheworld That bit is my absolutely favourite bit in the whole bloody thing! :(
kurtmcfried 2 months ago
Love the crowd reaction at 1:59
rugbyanden 5 months ago
What a love woman at 9:50.
ciaracustard 5 months ago
Well, Widdecombe completely failed to answer the priest/MP question.
She gave the reason but didn't explain WHY!
MrSelidor7 5 months ago
@MrSelidor7 As i understood it it has religious reasons (Men somehow resemble jesus more). I'm fine with that argument. One can't argue with beliefs (Religion is for what is beyond reason - if there is anything.). If one believes women should be allowed to be priest he/she simply cannot claim to have the same belief system as Widdecombe. But you could say your protestant or you believe in your own "personal catholicism".
knurtel 5 months ago
@knurtel. She still didn't explain why, regardless of the reasons.
And I think you will find that you can argue with beliefs. That is what the Intelligence Squared debate is all about.
MrSelidor7 5 months ago
love how Onaiyekan shoots himself in the foot by implying that morals dont require religion to exist when he says his father lived the 10 commandments before even becoming a christian. . Fry & Hitchens both hold their arms in the air as if to say well theres not point counter arguing there!
rupertshean 5 months ago
Zeinab Badawi is the best moderator I have seen yet. Not only is she respectful to all of the debators, but is courteous to the audience even when she attemtps to expedite the Q&A section.
writersblock26 6 months ago 2
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Widdecombe sounds like a 13 year old boy.
XenoGenome 6 months ago
Catholicism appeals to the poor and oppressed as a means for salvation from a hard and hopeless life. Religion preys on the weak and dispossessed and just because catholocism is so widespread is a reason why there is so much wrong in this world.
vohshkab 6 months ago
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I love how Fry just shouts; " THEN WHAT ARE YOU FOR!" Absolutely brilliant and to the point!
thomaseshuis 6 months ago
I read on a christian site that "Thou shalt not murder" is not a perfectly correct translation, it's supposed to be "Thou shalt not murder without good reason". How is that a moral base?
DrHowbeit 6 months ago
Relax, dabate leader! Give the audience and board time to ask and answer these questions! These are important matters!! #Fry was amazing!
1boy1cup 6 months ago
Onaiyekan sounds like he can barely elucidate his points. Not sure if it's the language barrier, the brainwashing of the church, or drugs causing that, but it's obvious that he should never have been on the dais.
vosogo 6 months ago 4
"The idea of compulsory love has always seemed a bit shady." XD
darklinkwillkill666 6 months ago
"The Church recommends chastity for everybody." *shudders* That itself is evidence enough that the Church is not a force for good.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
I'm hearing crickets at 3:14. Better luck next time anne.
brpowerful 6 months ago
dolores umbridge
butlerlog 6 months ago
@butlerlog How can you say that? Dolores Umbridge is a hell of a lot more interesting and better at public speaking.
ciaracustard 5 months ago
Didn't Onaiyekan just make a point AGAISNT himself, at 3:33? The fact that much of the 10 commandments, specifically those about morals such as not killing/stealing/cheating etc, are already known to us without religion?
ixigray 6 months ago 43
@ixigray exactly. Even in civilizations that didn't have contact with christians knew that killing stealing etc are unacceptable.
Iopipimps 6 months ago
@ixigray Well despite me being a form opponent against religion as a whole, my search that led towards that decision also made me cross the bible scriptures. If he's knowledgeable about the bible, he could oppose your remark, quoting Paul, which states that all people cannot ignore god, as he presents himself to "Gentiles" by means of the signs in the natural world, including social behavior. Rubbish, I know, but religion evolves, and so did the bible, able to "explain away contradictions".
avdmeers 6 months ago
@ixigray Yeah, he basically pwned their own argument...
0mniaV1nc1t 3 months ago
@ixigray He was being honest, even though the point was against him. He deserves praise for that.
stan462462 3 months ago
@stan462462 Yes, but not for debating skills
ixigray 3 months ago
@ixigray - yes, he does. Not that that will mean anything to him (or any other religious crackpot). Logic and reason are not exactly their 'strong points'. Also, Ann has told us that BILLIONS are poured into Africa (during her speech) - but John (in this part at 5.20) tells us that these BILLIONS do not make it to Africa. Hmmm.
BannorP 3 months ago
@ixigray Yes exactly. I even wonder if he wanted to make a case for the Christianity's 10 commandments in the first place. If I wanted to make a point on the universalness of those few of 10 commandments that are acctually right I could not phrase it better.
Morclaw 2 months ago
This is almost too one sided to watch. I was hoping for some sort of back-and-forth but Widdecombe and Onaiyekan are way out of their league.
It's shit like this, theists.
Gorevet 6 months ago
Ann Widdecombe sounds like she's being played by a member of Monty Python
Edgehead1132 7 months ago 3
"Did Jesus Christ himself actually say anything about homosexuality?"
"That is a wrong question in this regard."
No, that is the exact, correct question. Jesus never said a word about homosexuality, and for the Catholic Church who purports to speak the word of God, aka Jesus Christ, they are putting words in the Creator's mouth that he never spoke.
Isn't that a Sin punishable by death?
eatthatmeatball 7 months ago
Thank you for posting this, Gala2006.
writersblock26 7 months ago