MAYORS and CITY COUNCILS Stop The Treason CAMPAIGN 27 July 2010

[TheLbb2]

If they don;t respond within 21 or 30 days then start the prosecution of the Council . . .

[JakeBlakeProject]

Very good presentation. Something like that needs to go to DC.. I heard they were served too but it's a secret...

[kiiifute1]

37th Congress 2nd Session House of Representatives 1862

Who are natural born citizens?

All persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentlemen can find no exception to this statement touching natural born citizens except what is said in the Constitution in relation to Indians The reason that exception was made in the Constitution is apparent to everybody

[plaidnum]

You got SERVED.

[kiiifute1]

U.S. Congressman, abolitionist, "Father of the 14th Amendment" John Bingham, confirms understanding &construction framers used re birthright & jurisdiction House of Reps 3/9 1866:

I find no fault with the introductory clause which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that EVERY HUMAN BEING BORN within the jurisdiction of the United States OF PARENTS NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY FOREIGN SOVEREIGNTY IS, in the language of your Constitution itself, A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

[quill6211]

@kiiifute1

qwertyman129 just got "SERVED" again.

Talk about a TKO.

qwertyman129's credibility is ZERO " OUCH! "

[qwertyman129]

@kiiifute1 Your quote mining (and John Bingham did not write nor edit the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment, by the way) does nothing to refute the point that I made, that there is no current judge, Congressman or constitutional scholar that agrees with your point, and that there is a LONG history of presidents, VPs nominees and candidates with alien parents who are not challenged on their eligiblity for office. Birther fail yet again.

[kiiifute1]

@qwertyman129 Show me where I made any such statement regarding the nature of Bingham's involvement with the 14th That's right. You can't Referring to someone as the "Father"does not excuse twisting my words & their attendant meaning. You would be well-advised to reacquaint yourself with me and my "work" ;as it is clear that you either are pretending that we have not encountered one another before or you have actually forgotten. I have a very long memory- besides I have made record of it all

[kiiifute1]

The F/F's were not as close-minded or myopic in their thinking or views as many would have U believe.This wrong-headed albeit,today, most popular of notions in the(mis)characterization of these men,is typically-not always,mind you-but most often,advanced by those possessing ulterior motives

The F/F's were keenly aware of situations that not only would & had presented in their own times challenges 2 the PARENTAL OBEDIENCE feature;they were equally cognizant of the prospects of those yet revealed

[kiiifute1]

I suppose one way to "understand" it ie 'all the discussion about the 14th Amendment' -save one launching into a dissertation on the matter-is to keep in mind the 2 operative terms: 'ignorance' & 'exploitation'. Trust me, The Usurper "understands" all too well..& so the "battle cry" from his end will continue to be "the 14th", along with assorted other perversions of the law(s) eg Wong Kim Ark,current Fed Img Statute etc., tailored especially to meet his weak-willed target audience's "needs"

[IroquoisChief]

I do not understand all this discussion about the 14th Amendment. It has nothing to do with being a "Natural Born' citizens of the U.S. as required by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

There are just 2 requirements to be Natural Born: 1. Born on U.S. soil/jurisdiction (a question still not answered, with the proof therof still hidden by the usurper), and 2. Born of two parents, BOTH of whom are U.S. citizens at the time of birth (NOT true in the usurper's case).

[kiiifute1]

@IroquoisChief continued from above~ In the first instance the child remaining unclaimed becoming a ward of the state in lieu of immediate or previous adoption by non-U.S. citizen parents etc would likely be deemed 'natural born' for it owed immediate & direct allegiance, in the eyes of the law, to the U.S. government The latter example: .....Well,..you figure it out __ ;-)

[kiiifute1]

@IroquoisChief cont~

With this in mind, when spelling out the conditions for meeting the Article II natural born citizen(ship)standard- one mustn't fail to include the caveat ; "if the parents be identified or identifiable" for children of UNKNOWN or INDETERMINATE PARENTAGE will be of this earth (eg foundlings, a "phenomena" not unique to either era, modern times have brought along & given us off spring- the result of artificial insemination; a product of anonymous sperm &/or egg donation etc)

[kiiifute1]

@IroquoisChief

The answer is NOT-that the meaning of the term 'natural born citizen' was so well understood,at the time,that they felt no need to do so-that they were not compelled to employ stricter terminology so as to more narrowly or clearly define it. The answer IS that the Founders/Framers & the populace,at large,definitely, had in mind what A 'NATURAL BORN CITIZEN' absolutely, "positively", WAS NOT & that was- ANy INDIVIDUAL, BORN- OWING ALLEGIANCE TO A FOREIGN SOVEREIGNty,state,authority

[kiiifute1]

@IroquoisChief I would just note that it is imperative that one not "paint themselves into a corner" with regard to the almighty "definition" of 'natural born citizen' Yes, the overwhelming majority of candidates will/should fit the[ 'soil'+2 U.S.citizen parents=NBC] prescription or equation,if you will. However,be prepared for the inevitable question as to why, if this,indeed, be the case, did the Framers not, simply, phrase or word the clause thus ie utilize this precise language, themselves

[qwertyman129]

@IroquoisChief

"two parents, BOTH of whom as U.S. citizens at the time of birth"

There is not a single judge, Congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor who agrees with that interpretation of natural born citizen. There have been Presidents and VPs in the past that would have failed under that definition, and a multitude of candidates going back to the very first nominee of the Republican Party, John Fremont, whose father was a Frenchman.

[kiiifute1]

@qwertyman129 4 the uninitiated tuning in. These R lies promulgated by this creep, "qwert" There have been no Presidents prior to B.O. with the exception of Usurper Chester Arthur who did not measure up to the "definition"(2 U.S. cit parents+the soil) Arthur succeeded in keeping the status of his father's citizenship,at the time of his birth, under wraps

AGAIN, WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS NOT A STRICT READING BUT A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE FOUNDER'S INTENT

ART II NBC ENJOINS A SOLE ALLEGIANCE

[qwertyman129]

@kiiifute1 "with the exception of Usurper Chester Arthur"

Since you seem so completely ignorant of the Constitution, I'll let you in on a secret - the VP has to meet the exact same eligibility requirements as the President. There have been several VPs who would not measure up to your birther definition. Where are the history books questioning their eligibility for office?

[kiiifute1]

@qwertyman129 I'll let YOU in on a "secret" I have tangled with you before & addressed all of this,(ie 12th Amendment) at length , beginning over 2 yrs ago You are now moving at an even more accelerated rate-in reverse I would not have bothered to dignify your remarks here with a reply except that I am beginning to feel bad for you.Truly I don't know if it's early onset dementia setting in on the ol' "qwertman" Anyway, I've more formidable foes to contend with..so read my blogs or tube pg

[qwertyman129]

@kiiifute1 Yeah, I do vaguely remember debunking your birther crap before. Sorry if I don't remember you all that clearly, because frankly, you weren't that interesting. You don't have anything to say different than any other birther. Just like every other birther, you repeatedly show your inability to comprehend a clearly written Supreme Court opinion, your failure to understand basic formal logic, and have paranoid delusions that suggest that you should seek psychological help.

[quill6211]

@qwertyman129

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA MMM MMM MMM / SOEBARKAH did in Senate Resolution 511 along with CLITON, MCCASKIL, LEAHY, WEBB and COBURN. ALL TRAITORS TO THE REPUBLIC. THE TRUTH WILL STAND.

Constitutional Scholar: Jon Roland

Judges: SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES MINOR V. HAPPERSETT. Decision March 29,1875 [[ UNANIMOUS ]] " All children born in a country of parentS who where it's citizenS BECAME... NATURAL BORN CITIZENS. Judge:

[qwertyman129]

@quill6211 SR 511 - why am I not surprised that over and over again birther show a complete lack of understanding of basic formal logic?

If you have American parents, you are a nbc

You seem to take that to mean

If you don't have US parents, you are not a nbc

Really?

If you are in NY, then you are in the US

According to your logic, that means the same as

If you are not in NY, then you are not in the US.

See how stupid you make yourself sound, ignorant birther? Read Wong Kim Ark!

[quill6211]

@qwertyman129

Wong Kim Ark was NOT a trial to define AN ARTICLE 2 SECTION 1 CLAUSE 5 NATURAL BORN CITIZEN WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE CONSTITUTION ELIGIBLE FOR POTUS. Why don't you read it? (IDIOT).

Why don't you read MINOR V. HAPPERSETT (IDIOT)

You see you are fighting a LOSING BATTLE AND YOUR DESPERATION SHOWS "QUERTY" You are a LOSER BEFORE YOU GO TO BED AND WHEN YOU WAKE UP. You have NO CREDIBILITY HERE, not just on this youtube post but, in the world in it's entirety. -LOSER-

[quill6211]

@IroquoisChief

The whole defense of barry soetoro/soebarkah/barack hussein obama is that he was "born in Hawaii" and that makes him eligible to be President because he would be a "14Th Amendment U.S. Citizen".

This is false because a 14Th Amendment "Citizen" is NOT THE SAME AS A ARTICLE 2 NATURAL BORN CITIZEN WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE CONSTITUTION.

barack hussein obama is a USURPER because of his BIRTH RIGHT THROUGH HIS FATHER. DUAL CITIZENS AT BIRTH ARE NOT NATURAL BORN CITIZENS.

[kiiifute1]

@quill6211 Even declaring B.O. Jr a "14th Amendment Citizen" draws on our generosity --stemming from(well, what do ya know) a perversion of the law's original scope & meaning.

'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' means NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANYONE ELSE "THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS"

thank you, Lyman T.

[quill6211]

@kiiifute1

Yes, BO has not even proven to be a U.S. Citizen. He presents no factual proof that would hold up in court beyond a reasonable doubt to prove such, only to the contrary

The British Nationality act of 1948, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 10 and the Law of Nations seals the deal on his foreign (dual) allegiance to Great Britain at the time of his birth and Kenya

Just because you are a subject to the jurisdiction of a State by a Law does NOT make one eligible for the U.S.Presidency

[qwertyman129]

@quill6211 "hold up in court?"

His birth certificate, as posted online, is prima facie evidence in any court in the country. The birth announcements on their own are proof in the face of an absolute lack of "proof" on the birther fantasy world.

Dual citizenship makes you ineligible? So if Kim Jong Il said everybody born in the US is now a NK citizen, would that make everybody in the US ineligible for the presidency? According to your logic, it would. Do you even think about your birther crap?

[quill6211]

@qwertyman129

An ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE isn't prima facie evidence because it IS FACT.

Soebarkah/Barack HUSSEIN Obama's CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH posted on line is PRIMA FACIE, because it isn't fact.ONLY AT FACE VALUE PERIOD.

Birth announcements in a paper ARE NOT EVIDENCE that prove anything or that would hold up in a court of law

The "logic" mr spock, are in the words themselves: NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. CITIZENSHIP GIVEN BY NATURE ALONE NOT BY A LAW OR KIM JONG ll.

-U-R-A-LOSER

[quill6211]

@qwertyman129

An ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE isn't prima facie evidence because it IS FACT.

Soebarkah/Barack HUSSEIN Obama's CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH posted on line is PRIMA FACIE, because it isn't fact.ONLY AT FACE VALUE PERIOD.

Birth announcements in a paper ARE NOT EVIDENCE that prove anything or that would hold up in a court of law

The "logic" mr spock, are in the words themselves: NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. CITIZENSHIP GIVEN BY NATURE ALONE NOT BY A LAW OR KIM JONG ll.

-U-R-A-LOSER

[qwertyman129]

@quill6211 You should stop talking about "evidence" and fact" in a court of law when it is clear that you have never been to law school and don't understand the first thing about what is and is not evidence.

Evidence is anything that would increase the possibility of a particular fact being true. Prima facie evidence is any evidence that on its own, is sufficient to prove a fact unless rebutted with clear evidence to the contrary. Please stop arguing about the law when you don't understand it!

[quill6211]

@qwertyman129

You ignore the FACT that a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH IS NOT FACT, ONLY PRIMA FACIE (ONLY AT FACE VALUE) AS PRINTED ON THE BOTTOM OF barack hussein obama's SO CALLED CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH.

AN ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE DOES NOT HAVE PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE PRINTED ON IT BECAUSE IT IS FACT AND NOTHING CAN DISPUTE IT, UNLIKE brack hussein obama's COLB IS PRIMA FACIE.

You should go back to school and learn reading comprehension.

YOU ARE THE VILLAGE IDIOT.

[qwertyman129]

@quill6211 Oh boy. You've done nothing except repeat your comments, but this time in caps, as though you're screaming them. Your argument is not more correct because you're shouting them, it only makes you look like a lunatic, my ignorant birther friend.

Prima facie evidence literally translates to at face value, correct. Legally, prima facie evidence is sufficient to prove a fact unless specifically rebutted with evidence. There's no admissible evidence to rebut, thus the COLB is enough.

[quill6211]

@qwertyman129

THE MILLION DOLLAR WORD IS [[ UNLESS ]] " PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE IS SUFFICIENT TO PROVE A FACT [[ UNLESS ]] SPECIFICALLY REBUTTED WITH EVIDENCE"--THE VILLAGE IDIOT (AKA qwertyman129)

SENIOR HAWAII ELECTION CLERK TIM ADAMS: " I'LL TESTIFY IN COURT OBAMA NOT BORN IN HAWAII" "DEFINITELY NOT BORN THERE"

A WITINESS IS VERY GOOD EVIDENCE AGAINST PRIMA FACIE

THE VILLAGE IDIOT PROVES HIMSELF AGAIN TO BE JUST THAT"THE VILLAGE IDIOT"THE MORE YOU TYPE THE MORE I PROVE YOUR LIES

[qwertyman129]

@quill6211 Still screaming, are we? It doesn't matter to you that you seem like you're screaming at somebody who's responding to you with coherent, normally written sentences?

Yes, prima facie evidence can be rebutted. Congratulations, you were able to read the sentence I wrote. As for Tim Adams, wasn't he the temp worker who made his claim on a white supremacist radio show? Something about the Council of Conservative Citizens? I mean, it makes sense for birthers to be on racist shows I guess.

[kiiifute1]

Strauder v. W. Virg(1879),stating purpose of 14th Amend US Supreme Court:

"Its aim was against discrimination because of race or color. As we have said more than once,its design was to protect an emancipated race & to strike down all possible legal discriminations against those who belong to it.To quote further from 16 Wall,supra:'In giving construction to any of these[amendments],it is nec to keep the main purpose steadily in view.' 'It is so clearly a provision for that race and that emergency

[kiiifute1]

George Collins, Attorney,Sec~American Bar Assn(1884)

"The rule of international law that the political status of the father is impressed upon the child..is founded in reason & estab'd according to the dictates of sound policy as stated by Vattel"-By the law of nature alone children follow the conditions of their fathers & enter into all their rights;he place of birth produces no change in this particular, & cannot of itself furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him"

[kiiifute1]

Cont~

"Birth,therefore, does not ipso facto confer citizenship, and it is ESSENTIAL in order that a person be a native or natural born citizen of the U.S., that his father be at the time of the birth of such person a citizen thereof."

Collins is writing in Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes' "American Law Review"(1886-1906)

[kiiifute1]

Barack Obama II: "Words have meaning."

Barack Obama II speaks-1990: "I really hope to be a part of a transformation of this country. The larger story is...of how we're going to reshape America..."

transform-to alter or be altered radically in form, function, etc

transformation-a change or alteration esp. a radical one

Barack Obama II speaks- Oct/Nov 2008: "We are just(_)days away from FUNDAMENTALLY changing the United States of America"

fundamental-the underlying principles, foundation

[kiiifute1]

In the U.S.,the view of the effect of permanent abode on nationality has been expressed this way-Justice Joseph Story,treating the subject as one of public law,said:'Persons who are born in a country are generally deemed to be citizens of that country. A reasonable qualification of the rule would seem to be that it should not apply to the children of parents who were in itinere in the country,or who were abiding there for temporary purposes

B.Obama Sr was a visitor to the U.S.

Conflict of Laws

[n68firebird]

@kiiifute1

I agree with you. We have a travesty of justice pertaining to our national sovereignty at present, a phenomenon known as "birth tourism". This is where women who are citizens of other countries take a trip here, give birth to a baby in a hospital on our soil, and therefore claim that the baby is a US citizen. But, then again, this is what many from Mexico and Central and South America have been doing for years. time to close that loophole in the 14th Amendment!

[McGrew100]

Ofor012

I support Neil's presentation.

Say something sissy boy to me.

You are wrong. Sometimes you just have to accept the fact that you screwed up.

You should have realized Obama was bad news as soon as you saw he has short hair.

[Ofor012]

This guy is committing sedition asking for a military coup. He should be shot on the spot. You'd better lock and load you disgusting conservatives, because you are trying to nullify my vote and I SWEAR TO GOD I will kill to keep that from happening.... FUCKING TRY ME.

[kiiifute1]

@Ofor012 Your wrath is mis-directed The Disdainful One is the deserving party. You were deceived and are, understandably & rightly, angry But don't take it out on true patriots like the fella featured in this presentation instead have half the courage he has and admit the err of your ways. It is not too late to make amends.

[n68firebird]

@Ofor012:

This man is not committing sedition, fool. You obviously don't even know the meaning of that word.

This man is presenting his concerns in a well-organized speech, consistent with his right to freedom of speech by a citizen,  before a public forum - in this case a city council. He supports the military personnel who have doubted Obama's legitimacy as President and his right to send them to war - to send them away from their families and into harm's way.

[n68firebird]

@Ofor012

So...you are stating that you would kill conservatives, or anyone whom you deem in your warped mind would go out of their way to "nullify your vote"?? You are a dangerous person, and way off the mark here. I get the feeling the only person who has decided to "lock and load" is YOU, and that YOU pose a definite threat to society.

[Ofor012]

@n68firebird

They have called for a military coup... Would I be a danger to anyone who supported that measure if it happens? YOU DAMN RIGHT.

[ThisAmerican1]

@Ofor012 Hmmm YOU must be one of those cons who got their vote back, after release, right? YOU idiots are the ones who voted for an ineligible , Manchurian Candidate, Soros puppet for POTUS. YOUR vote was nullified BY Barry and the rest of the Corruption Crew. YOU are just too ignorant to comprehend that. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER AND BYE, BYE BARRY.

[Ofor012]

@ThisAmerican1

Obama will still be in office until at least 2013, though we're going to re-elect him most likely and push his departure date to 2017 .. I bet that will just PISS you conservatives off won't it.. I bet you wanna kill people like me who vote him in? I hope you try bitch. I have a .50 cal waiting on you if and when you do.

[ThisAmerican1]

@Ofor012 You are a pathetic freak, just like your Mulatto Messiah. There is NO WAY on Earth he will be re elected. He is by far, the MOST corrupt, anti American US president the world has ever witnessed. BTW you f-ing hypocrite, Barry doesn't like guns. How dare you? How can you get a gun in your obviously "fragile" mental state? Oh that's right, criminals don't recognize laws.

[n68firebird]

@Ofor012

You want to put money on that? LOL! Too many people are unhappy with Obama, including, and in some cases especially, the people who voted for him. Yes, DEMOCRATS as well as Independents are unhappy with Obama! You can sit there and wait for the promised freebies all you want, while other people take a more realistic view of what's really been going on.

[Ofor012]

@n68firebird

What the heck are you talking about "Promised freebies" ? People voted on him because he's an intelligent problem solver ; Nothing to do with getting "something for nothing" that Rush and all the assholes have brainwashed you into believing...

Keep being a ditto head though; It's all you're good for.



[CPTPamelaBarnett]

Great job Neil!!

[woodromw]

Louisville,KY...help us out here bro..

Send me some info please..

[IroquoisChief]

@woodromw

Give me a way to contact you and I can send you a link to a ScribD posting of the program. You don't seem to have an active YouTube channel that I can post it on.

[ScarlettKnights]

Thank you for sharing; excellent information. God Bless.

[IroquoisChief]

@ScarlettKnights

Let me know in what city you live, and I will show you how we can get it done there.

IroquoisChief

[jasonla85]

This is a great act of patriotism; At the very least, I would like to see charges brought up against the Obama administration and all who participated in or covered up the crimes of ACORN and mass voter fraud. Anita Moncrief is now in the process of doing that and she has access to the files that link Obama to the illegal donor list.

[GeraSchmidt]

Wow! Now that's what I call a genuine Patriot!! Bravo!

[rambo2700]

right on! This guy is wonderful!