@NCshooter1988 thanks for replaying, I know that 380 is a 9x17 in mm, but where I live 9x18 is so so expansive. I want to shoot 9x17 in my 9x18 Makarov instead of its original ammo.
@Faris2A Other then in a worse case situation you should NOT attempt to fire 380 acp in a 9x18. 9x18 is a "east block" cartridge and east block cartridges are measured differently from "west block" cartridges like 380 or 9mm. This means 9x18 is a .362 in bullet and 380/9mm are .355 in bullet. This is an issue in it self causing serious accuracy issues, but it also means the cases are different diameters as well which could lead to serious chamber damage is a case fails.
I suppose a 9mm also has more stopping power than a 3 inch 1.5 oz slug? I also suppose it is the most powerfully round in the world according to you? I also suppose it can stop a cape buffalo or a elk. Your such a retard.
My neighbor, who carried an old .380 Beretta, told me that in Europe a .380 is called a 9mm short. This might explain some of the confusion between the two rounds.
don't want to sound like an ass but the .380 is considered a 9mm short the casing of the .380 acp is the same case type of the Browning 9mm and the Markov 9mm. but not similar to the 9x19 parabellum or 9mm Luger round that almost every 9 mil handgun fires. the .380 or 9mm short was made for the easy concealment or Special agents and federal agents. .380 and 9mm have the same ballistic specs but different muzzle velocity...
I have never heard anybody say that 9mm and .380 cartridges are interchangeable. I have only heard that that 9mm and .380 bullets (just the projectile, not the complete cartridge) are the same diameter. You could always pull out the micrometer, and measure the diameter of the bullet...or just look up the bullet specs in a hand loading manual. Obviously the cartridges are different. Now, 9mm Luger and 9x19mm are interchangeable (they're not really different). 5.56mm and .223 are different.
there not twins but they are essentialy the same round. the 9mm has no diffrent responce to ballistic gel what so ever. In europ the 380 is the 9mm kurz, they just call it a 9mm becouse as far as science, ballistics and proven testing they are exactly the same exept for the obvious length of the case. but he is right people, dont be a dummy and put your 380 in your damn baretta, youll just hurt yourself
The "old' FBI combo was comprised of .38 special 158 grain LSWCHP(lead semi wad cutter hollowpoit) and the S&W model 13 revolver with a 3" barrel,quiet effective indeed!.Remember,in self defense situations,shot placement is the key.
@R5H4D0W Because of the way Russians measure their barrels their guns will use bullets bigger then western guns that sound like they are the same caliber. 9mm Makarov uses a 0.363in diameter bullet, where 9mm uses a .355-356in bullet. Performance wise it is very similar to 380, although a little more powerful, but not quite as powerful as the 9mm.
380 and 9mm can use the same bullet, but they are not the same cartridge. Some of 380s other names are similar to 9mm. Names like 9x17, 9mm Kurtz and 9mm Short could get mixed up with 9x19 and 9mm. Thus the confusion for non gun enthusiast.
@PiGood Did you not watch the video? It was clearly shown that the .380 round 'rattled' in the breech of the 9mm. A 9mm round will NOT load in the breech of a .380.
@SilverMoonAir 380 rattles around in a 9mm chamber because the sidewalls on a 9mm case are slightly thicker. Both the 9mm and 380 use .355in diameter bullet. Any .355in bullet in the 90-100gn weight range can be used in both 9mm and 380. Both can use the same bullets, but the cartridges are not interchangeable.
@PiGood All accurate except the case walls being thicker. They fire at different pressures, what an ammo manufacture decides to make their brass case thickness spec to is up to them (ie: thin-wall Remington and thick Speer). The 380 is a straight wall case 2mm shorter, 9mm is tapered with an .011" larger case head - neck size and bullet diameter is the same! A 380 can fire in a 9mm gun (provided the pin reaches), but the ogive and rifling intersection of a barrel and extractor won't be happy!
@HorsepowerAddiction Out of my experience 9mm tends to have a little thicker sidewalls then 380 regardless of brand probably due to the higher pressures. However, that little bit of taper is probably the reason that 380 will rattle around in the chamber of a 9mm not the sidewall thickness. It's kind of hard to believe I didn't realize 9mm was a tapered case during the last five years of reloading it.
you are right there not the same but the 380 in some countries are called 9 mm Kratak or 9mm short thats where the question arose and thats y it confuses some people thanks for the video
@Sartanator There are a lot of great little guns chambering the .380ACP. I've owned a PPK, a Star, and a Sig P238. The P238 is my favorite by far over the Star, and by a little over the PPK.
9mm case is 19 mm long. a 380 case is 17mm long. the bullet diameter is the same. but the 380 can only go to 102 in grain be cause the case is to short for a big longer bullet.
I shot a 380 through my glock 19 on accident. I stuck a remington golden saber round in a box of 9mm golden saber and was not paying attenion. It fired, it did not eject, and it made the case bulge.
@huntz2471 Yeah it worked fine after I did it, it did not hurt the rifleing, but I would not recomend doing it to often. Glocks are tough, I wouldnt try and see how much they can handle.
9 X17mm (.380acp),9x18mm (Makarov), 9x19mm (9mm) (",) What about 5.56x45mm vs .223 same dimensions but the 5.56 is loaded for higher pressure and velocity, also has thicker brass than the .223 casing. 5.56 ammo + a .223 rifle = problems...
The NATO measurements really explain it all. 9x17mm Kurz (.380ACP), 9x19mm Parabellum (9mm Luger) the only difference is the 2mm trimmed off the case for the .380ACP. Most of the time the .380ACP is loaded with a lighter projectile due to less powder available in the smaller cartridge.
@TheKingkeenan its a magazine not a clip. no pistol (to my current knowledge) uses a clip.they are all magazines .. m1 garands have a clip. not tryin to be a dick just tryin to help people understand the difference. just a huge pet-peeve of mine.
@GunWebsites I know I was the wtf. 38 special ammo was used by the fbi and that is why they had to change it because of an fbi shootout were they were out gunned.
@GunWebsites Read the FBI analysis on the infamous 1986 Miami shoot out. The gun that terminated the fight was the S&W 686 revolver firing Winchester 38 Spl +P 158gr LSWC-HP's. The 9mm HP's had multiple failures-to-stop, and that is why the FBI dropped the caliber.
The 38 Spl +P 158 gr LSWC-HP is still available as a 900 fps loading (4" bbl) from Win/Rem, and as a 1150fps loading from Buffalo Bore that will outperform any 9mm load on the market!
@GunWebsites The point is that the 38 Spl +P 158 gr LSWC-HP ended the 1986 FBI Miami shoot-out where 9mm's failed. Top performing 38 +P ammo, especially in 158 gr LSWC-HP can outperform 9mm ammo. Soft lead HP's are useable in revolvers and not in auto-pistols, and is extremely reliable and deadly ammo.
I would imagine that many an FBI agent, just like many police officers, carry a 2" 38 / 357 compact revolver as backup.
@GunWebsites I was replying to an earlier comment string concerning FBI use of 9mm & 38 Spl. It is not on the subject of "9mm is not 380 ACP", but the subject of "FBI use of 9mm & 38 Spl" IS in the comments section.
9mm remains the popular choice and in 147gr, has more penetration than all the other popular rounds in use today, including 38+P lswc-hp, 357 sig, 40 & 45.
@StSimonMartyr dude a 9mm is not as powerful as a 40s&w and 45acp. And the 357 sig is smaller round and the 38+p is pretty much a 9mm rimmed round for a revolver. A 40 hollow point and a 45 hollow point will have a lot more power than a 9mm. Just saying
Our Mercenary/Hired blackwater xi goons can use hollow points in 'war', and they outnumber the military in the Middle East.
Rarely are sidearms drawn, and the door to door home invasions by our military dont require hollow points, they have shotguns and 223 Ars for such 'missions'
Coming soon to a town near you. More Neo Cohen madness
@StSimonMartyr Im just saying a 45acp has more knockdown power and is able to put someone that is jacked up on meth in one shot while a 9mm will take a couple shots. A 45acp is just a bigger round with a bigger diameter and more knockdown power.
@StSimonMartyr im just saying if you shoot once with a 45acp or 40s&w it will have a lot more energy and more stopping power than a 9mm. reason, the 9mm is a fast moving bullet with lots of energy but the problem is that it is moving too fast to put any energy into the persons body. it just goes right through. as in a 40 or 45 it is moving a lot slower so it has pletty of time to put ALL of its energy into the target. It will do more damage and also leave a MUCH LARGER exit wound.
@StSimonMartyr Also you said a 147 9mm has more power than a 45 acp hollow point. it is a bigger bullet with more energy. i dont know how you think a 147 grain jhp 9mm has more power then a 45acp 200jhp. Im just saying if im going to shoot someone i want them to go down in one shot to the chest not 2,3, or 4 like the 9mm.
Not to burst your bubble, but kinetic energy = 1/2 * m * v^2
If you're planning on shooting once, don't trust pistol calibers. If you're like me and prefer to group as much holes as you can under stress, either round will work.
I understand the .45ACP hate because it's a fudd cartridge, but there's nothing in it.
@HondaCRF150FRIDER19 I know, I just said that I understand that many people love/hate the .45ACP for what it is.
9mm isn't exactly worthless. It's pretty good for competition shooting.
In my case, .40S&W is worthless. Why? Because I live in Europe and we don't have carry laws like yours. It's pretty pointless to go trough the hassle of buying a .40S&W gun because 9m/.45ACP is cheaper to shoot and the performance doesn't matter at all against inanimate targets.
It won't expand as much as a .45ACP, but don't forget that expansion does not compensate for a poor shot. It exists to slow down the bullet in the body and transfer the energy, creating a larger wound channel, not to magically hit what you just missed.
.380 IS the same diameter as a 9mm, the case is just not as thick on the outer diameter, the inner casing diameter is the same. The casing just isn't as long, 17mm vs. 19mm. But you are correct that they aren't cross-compatible.
I stopped in a walmart to pick up some couch medicine on my way back from a trip and thought I would buy some ammo while I was there. A really rough looking guy came in insisting to return 9mm ammo because it didn't fit in his 380. The clerk showed him a 9mm and a 380 round to show him the difference and the dumbass still didn't get it.
Your videos are awesome, do you guys know if there are any places where they sell gun kits where you can assemble older guns as a good way to learn how they work plus all they would need to do is stamp metal so the price would be much lower.
because of the size, you can get a ruger LCP, or a Kahr P380 and it fits so comfortably in your pocket. You don't even notice that your carrying a gun until you need it. The only reason people buy 380's is because they are such small pocket guns.
what if you were to put a .380 round in a larger barrel gun such as a 9mm or bigger? What would happen if you tried to fire the gun? Would it blow up?
@GunWebsites Ok, What about a 9mm in a .40, or a .380 in 9mm? Would those fall out of the barrel too? Is it about the seal between the barrel and the casing?
Not necessarily. Many moons ago I was out shooting with my father and a friend and I'm not certain who did it but someone had loaded a 9mm into a .45 acp magazine along with several .45s. At any rate I was the one shooting the .45 a SIG P220 and hit a round that didn't sound right. Tried to pull the trigger again and it didn't go bang. Inspected the gun and noticed a case lodged in barrel. I ended up needing to use a rod to press it out.
@GunWebsites The .380 ACP is not small enough to fall right out the barrel, but since it's a shorter and smaller case, the firing pin would likely fail to reach the primer because it headspaces on the case mouth. In the event that it did ignite, it would probably fail to cycle the action and the case would split. You'd have to tap the case out of the barrel with a cleaning rod.
actually 9mm para (9x19) and .380 acp (9x17) are both 355 diameter bullets. If you shoot a .380 out of a 9mm it will fire, however it might not cycle the next round. On the flip side if you shoot a 9mm out of a .380 gun it could blow up on you do to not being able to handle the pressure of a higher cartridge; especially since many .380's are blow-back operated, this would be quite unsafe! then there's the 9x18 Makarov cartridge but let's save that for another time!
@pete5668 No, it will not blow up, it will only fire as a single shot because the .380 does not have the power to make the action work to reload another round in a 9mm handgun. I have done this before. Is it recomended.. no... but in case of a emergency and you have a 9mm and happen to grab the wrong ammo (380) them yes you will be able to shoot one bullet (self loaded) at a time to defened your self. but please DO NOT SHOOT A 9MM THRU A .380 BAD, BAD, BAD
@pete5668 Realistically, no. The bullet just shooots wild because it isn't the right size for the bore. The real issue is the case expanding in the chamber and getting jammed in there. That could be a PITA to clear.
My buddy once fired a 32 acp out of my 380 walther (I wasn't with him at the time.) No real harm done, but it could have jammed up the bore.
A;ways check. Only keep one type of ammo on the table when you load and you should be fine.
@pete5668 No. But if it (the smaller .380 round) got stuck inside the barrel far enough that you could chamber a 9mm round and you did and pulled the trigger you would be missing a few fingers. That is if you survived the resulting explosion. This is a rather common accident and results from carrying a mix of ammo in ones pockets. A cleaning patch left in the barrel can do the same thing.
When he says about the round being flush with the back end of the barrel. That's called "headspacing". If a cart isn't properly headspaced, like the .380 is here, there's a very real possibility of the case exploding because it's not being held tightly enough
If your extractor can hold it during the full firing process, it should work.
Kind of like 40 in a 10mm, or 45acp in a 460rowland. I've had success with both, though I don't recommend doing it to anyone. More or less, it's just a trick you can do perhaps if it's the end of the world and that's all you have.
Gun terminology isn't always clear, remember everyone wasn't raised with guns or do they own a gun shop. Calibers as mentioned above especially the 380 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) have different names in the rest of the world. 380 ACP is a US term. In Europe and much of the world it is 9X17 mm or 9mm Short; 9mm Kurz; 9mm Corto; 9mm Scurt; 9mm Browning; or 9 mm Court. Few foreign pistols stamp the slide 380 ACP, it’s one of the variations above.
Recently I purchased a S&W 9 mm pistol. At the same gunstore I bought some practice ammo, I loaded both mags and began firing. A few rounds into the 2nd mag I had a failure to eject, guess why ? Some jackass mixed a .380 round in with the 9 mm. My 9mm ammo was Federal and the .380 was a CCI blazer. My smith did fire the round ,but the case expanded and it could not extract it. I realise I should have caught it apon loading the mags,but who would dream new ammo would be mixed ? it can happen
TFMTraining, yes it is basic but a lot of folks do not know ammo and firearms like some of us do. This is a good video for newbie's. Good job, GunWebsites
I have been reloading .380 for my ruger and am now going to start reloading for my 9mm. I have like 500 100grain FMJ 380 bullets just laying around. My question is can i take those .380 bullets and load them into my 9mm cases? They have the same diameter. Also, how far would i seat the bullet? Would i follow the seating guidelines stated in the loading data for the 380 or 9mm. And would I use the powder measurements listed in the 380 loading data. Thanks for the Help!
Thanks to both or you for the great information. I needed to know why a .380 could not be used in a 9mm and more importantly why 9mm could not be used in a PPK that says 9mm right on the gun. For the same reasons that TFMTTraining mentioned, I was confused about why the Walther says 9mm and .380 on the slide, but now I understand that "9mm Kurtz" must be referring to the size of the slug that is in a .380 shell.
Kind of a marginal description. While both rounds used the same size projectile, the shells are very different in size and cannot be used in pistols of the others caliber. The confusion arises because the 380 goes under several different names. 380 Auto, 380 ACP, 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Short and 9x17mm. That's the confusing part, not explained in this video. Saying that "because they have different names, they must be different", doesn't cut it. 380 has 6 different names for the same round.
Thanks to both or you for the great information. I needed to know why a .380 could not be used in a 9mm and more importantly why 9mm could not be used in a PPK that says 9mm right on the gun. For the same reasons that TFMTTraining mentioned, I was confused about why the Walther says 9mm and .380 on the slide, but now I understand that "9mm Kurtz" must be referring to the size of the slug that is in a .380 shell.
Thanks to both or you for the great information. I needed to know why a .380 could not be used in a 9mm and more importantly why 9mm could not be used in a PPK that says 9mm right on the gun. For the same reasons that TFMTTraining mentioned, I was confused about why the Walther says 9mm and .380 on the slide, but now I understand that "9mm Kurtz" must be referring to the size of the slug that is in a .380 shell.
380 is neat but i thnk its only made for real small guns like t he keltek p3at and ruger lcp. pushes like what, 220 ft pounds of energy and the 9mm goes on up to almost 400. cant put a 9mm in a tiny p3at sized gun without it flyin out of ur hand tho. p3at s even smaller than the pf9
@GunWebsites Lol, wow First we were talking about your comment and how it was inaccurate. Then, when you realized that you were completely wrong, you changed the subject and deleted the comments that proved you don't know what you are talking about.
@GunWebsites Lol, wow First we were talking about your comment and how it was inaccurate. Then, when you realized that you were completely wrong, you changed the subject and deleted the comments that proved you don't know what you are talking about.
@GunWebsites Good answer Bro. Even though the .380 and 9mm use the same 9mm diameter bullets the .380 case is slightly smaller in diameter because the 9mm brass is thicker to withstand the higher operating pressures of the 9. I must hate me because I reload both rounds.
@theoster the 9mm is a man stopper,use 147 grain in my opinion +p 115 or 124 is a waste,380 doesnt even compare to 9mm luger stopping power,will it kill?yes,do you need 45?no,i like 9mm luger and 40 s&w for defense,my 45 and 357 are just range guns but thats just me.
@mikekazik1 Lol, wow First we were talking about your comment and how it was inaccurate. Then, when you realized that you were completely wrong, you changed the subject and deleted the comments that proved you don't know what you are talking about.
@theoster basically the best way of stopping a man is using your head and avoiding the situations where you would need to stop a man but worst case scenario they both do the job and both do it remarkably well but if you play it smart you should never have to but like i said should never but there is always the off chance you do
@MrTwinz08 after watching this video i was gonna say that same thing... of course a 9x19 is gonna be different from a 9x17, the length difference alone tells you one is gonna be a lil stronger..
the .380 ACP has much less energy than the 9mm Para - roughly half of that - but it is not half the size, it is just a little smaller - why the big difference?
@ealnav Lots of things, from bullet weight (most .380 loads have a 90grain bullet, whereas 140-ish grain 9mm loads are not uncommon), to the amount of powder used. The bullets being similar in diametre doesnt mean much really.
Well it's true, however the .380 acp is called the 9mm browning I believe it 9x17 and the real 9mm is 9x19
Starscream322 1 week ago
thats wierd, i have 9 mm b.c. and a 380 round and they are same in barrel..
Pushyhog 2 weeks ago
@Pushyhog bullet size is. Cartridge is different.
SBrandon562 1 week ago
Can I shoot 380ACP in my 9x18 Makarov?
Faris2A 3 weeks ago
@Faris2A no a 380 is a 9x17 in mm's
NCshooter1988 3 weeks ago
@NCshooter1988 thanks for replaying, I know that 380 is a 9x17 in mm, but where I live 9x18 is so so expansive. I want to shoot 9x17 in my 9x18 Makarov instead of its original ammo.
Faris2A 3 weeks ago
@Faris2A i wouldn't you may damage the chamber
NCshooter1988 3 weeks ago
@Faris2A Other then in a worse case situation you should NOT attempt to fire 380 acp in a 9x18. 9x18 is a "east block" cartridge and east block cartridges are measured differently from "west block" cartridges like 380 or 9mm. This means 9x18 is a .362 in bullet and 380/9mm are .355 in bullet. This is an issue in it self causing serious accuracy issues, but it also means the cases are different diameters as well which could lead to serious chamber damage is a case fails.
PiGood 3 weeks ago 3
@PiGood Thank you so much.
Faris2A 3 weeks ago
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NCshooter1988 1 month ago
I suppose a 9mm also has more stopping power than a 3 inch 1.5 oz slug? I also suppose it is the most powerfully round in the world according to you? I also suppose it can stop a cape buffalo or a elk. Your such a retard.
HondaCRF150FRIDER19 1 month ago
Dude are smoking weed or something? 9 mm is a weaker round than a 45acp. I swear my grandma knows more about guns than you.
HondaCRF150FRIDER19 1 month ago
My neighbor, who carried an old .380 Beretta, told me that in Europe a .380 is called a 9mm short. This might explain some of the confusion between the two rounds.
zuzak4341 1 month ago
believe it or not i had a guy working in a gun shop tell me they were the same.
tkahuna68 2 months ago
9x19.15 mm
compared to
9x17 mm
VicariousReality7 3 months ago
if you had the choice to use a aug,m16,m4 carbine,ninja glock or mp5 whatwould you use
XXXcRaZyYuGiMoToXXX 3 months ago
don't want to sound like an ass but the .380 is considered a 9mm short the casing of the .380 acp is the same case type of the Browning 9mm and the Markov 9mm. but not similar to the 9x19 parabellum or 9mm Luger round that almost every 9 mil handgun fires. the .380 or 9mm short was made for the easy concealment or Special agents and federal agents. .380 and 9mm have the same ballistic specs but different muzzle velocity...
McNavarone 3 months ago
SilverMoonAir said it as perfect as it can be, same bullet different powder case. 380 does us LIGHTER bullets.
trickykwoo2 3 months ago
I have never heard anybody say that 9mm and .380 cartridges are interchangeable. I have only heard that that 9mm and .380 bullets (just the projectile, not the complete cartridge) are the same diameter. You could always pull out the micrometer, and measure the diameter of the bullet...or just look up the bullet specs in a hand loading manual. Obviously the cartridges are different. Now, 9mm Luger and 9x19mm are interchangeable (they're not really different). 5.56mm and .223 are different.
Sklingolder11 3 months ago
Shit!! Better not be the same, I pay more for .380 ammo then 9mm
giz5000 4 months ago
there not twins but they are essentialy the same round. the 9mm has no diffrent responce to ballistic gel what so ever. In europ the 380 is the 9mm kurz, they just call it a 9mm becouse as far as science, ballistics and proven testing they are exactly the same exept for the obvious length of the case. but he is right people, dont be a dummy and put your 380 in your damn baretta, youll just hurt yourself
mattc1683 5 months ago
good to know it.
SuperRip7 5 months ago
The "old' FBI combo was comprised of .38 special 158 grain LSWCHP(lead semi wad cutter hollowpoit) and the S&W model 13 revolver with a 3" barrel,quiet effective indeed!.Remember,in self defense situations,shot placement is the key.
177bandit 5 months ago
He's been watching too much Silence of the Lambs
creamydunkz 5 months ago
to some a more pressing issue is the difference between a 9mm Makarov versus a 9mm parabellum... perhaps you could enlighten us on that too :)
R5H4D0W 6 months ago
@R5H4D0W Because of the way Russians measure their barrels their guns will use bullets bigger then western guns that sound like they are the same caliber. 9mm Makarov uses a 0.363in diameter bullet, where 9mm uses a .355-356in bullet. Performance wise it is very similar to 380, although a little more powerful, but not quite as powerful as the 9mm.
PiGood 5 months ago
380 and 9mm can use the same bullet, but they are not the same cartridge. Some of 380s other names are similar to 9mm. Names like 9x17, 9mm Kurtz and 9mm Short could get mixed up with 9x19 and 9mm. Thus the confusion for non gun enthusiast.
PiGood 6 months ago
@PiGood Did you not watch the video? It was clearly shown that the .380 round 'rattled' in the breech of the 9mm. A 9mm round will NOT load in the breech of a .380.
SilverMoonAir 5 months ago
@SilverMoonAir 380 rattles around in a 9mm chamber because the sidewalls on a 9mm case are slightly thicker. Both the 9mm and 380 use .355in diameter bullet. Any .355in bullet in the 90-100gn weight range can be used in both 9mm and 380. Both can use the same bullets, but the cartridges are not interchangeable.
PiGood 5 months ago 12
@PiGood thanks
GODUCKS1980 4 months ago
@PiGood All accurate except the case walls being thicker. They fire at different pressures, what an ammo manufacture decides to make their brass case thickness spec to is up to them (ie: thin-wall Remington and thick Speer). The 380 is a straight wall case 2mm shorter, 9mm is tapered with an .011" larger case head - neck size and bullet diameter is the same! A 380 can fire in a 9mm gun (provided the pin reaches), but the ogive and rifling intersection of a barrel and extractor won't be happy!
HorsepowerAddiction 3 months ago
@HorsepowerAddiction Out of my experience 9mm tends to have a little thicker sidewalls then 380 regardless of brand probably due to the higher pressures. However, that little bit of taper is probably the reason that 380 will rattle around in the chamber of a 9mm not the sidewall thickness. It's kind of hard to believe I didn't realize 9mm was a tapered case during the last five years of reloading it.
PiGood 3 months ago
I have that gun's big brother, mine is a Springfield Loaded 1911 in .45
usmc100sniper 6 months ago
For comparision:
Bullet Diameter: .380ACP - .355in (9.00mm) 9x19mm - .356in (9.03mm)
Case Length: 380ACP - .680in (17.3mm) 9x19mm - .754in (19.15mm)
Overall Length: 380ACP - .984in (25mm) 9x19mm - 1.169in (29.69mm)
kthulhu32 6 months ago
you are right there not the same but the 380 in some countries are called 9 mm Kratak or 9mm short thats where the question arose and thats y it confuses some people thanks for the video
MrSteveRemington 7 months ago
.380 is only useful in a PPK. PPK, great concealable weapon.
Sartanator 7 months ago
@Sartanator There are a lot of great little guns chambering the .380ACP. I've owned a PPK, a Star, and a Sig P238. The P238 is my favorite by far over the Star, and by a little over the PPK.
kthulhu32 6 months ago
te .380 had been referred to as a european short 9mm, which is where the question arose.
RudesterX 7 months ago
9mm case is 19 mm long. a 380 case is 17mm long. the bullet diameter is the same. but the 380 can only go to 102 in grain be cause the case is to short for a big longer bullet.
aax479mm 7 months ago
I shot a 380 through my glock 19 on accident. I stuck a remington golden saber round in a box of 9mm golden saber and was not paying attenion. It fired, it did not eject, and it made the case bulge.
isamtator 7 months ago
@isamtator i just did the same dam thing still shots fine does yours?
huntz2471 7 months ago
@huntz2471 Yeah it worked fine after I did it, it did not hurt the rifleing, but I would not recomend doing it to often. Glocks are tough, I wouldnt try and see how much they can handle.
isamtator 7 months ago
i dont use rounds that dont go thru soft body armer so all thees diferent 9s are all news to me
xegeran1 7 months ago
Are those 9's softpoints???
fustercluck534 7 months ago
9 X17mm (.380acp),9x18mm (Makarov), 9x19mm (9mm) (",) What about 5.56x45mm vs .223 same dimensions but the 5.56 is loaded for higher pressure and velocity, also has thicker brass than the .223 casing. 5.56 ammo + a .223 rifle = problems...
SHUNT311 7 months ago
The NATO measurements really explain it all. 9x17mm Kurz (.380ACP), 9x19mm Parabellum (9mm Luger) the only difference is the 2mm trimmed off the case for the .380ACP. Most of the time the .380ACP is loaded with a lighter projectile due to less powder available in the smaller cartridge.
Mchermsquatch 9 months ago
.380 is better than nothing but if you have a choice go with 9mm, better yet .40 cal or 10mm
MrRppd2shrds 9 months ago
Questions like this, Google Images......SIMPLE
gshdrums 9 months ago
i shot a 380 pistol with 9 and 380 bullets and emptyed the clip
TheKingkeenan 10 months ago
@TheKingkeenan its a magazine not a clip. no pistol (to my current knowledge) uses a clip.they are all magazines .. m1 garands have a clip. not tryin to be a dick just tryin to help people understand the difference. just a huge pet-peeve of mine.
chriswantsbeer 7 months ago
@chriswantsbeer
check out the broom handle mausers, they load the internal box mag with a stripper clip, and I'm sure there are some others..
GunWebsites 7 months ago
@GunWebsites well i stand corrected. thanks! at the time i couldn't think of anything.
chriswantsbeer 7 months ago
@chriswantsbeer
well thats only one example out of how many thousands of other pistols, hardly an excuse for calling a magazine a clip, so you are all good IMO
GunWebsites 7 months ago
In Europe the .380 is 9MM Kurtz (short). I have seen .380 ammo in european boxes the are called 9MM Kurtz. But totally different ammo.
ktmtest 10 months ago
So many 9mm calibers, with each individual caliber having at least eighty thousand names, none of which are interchangeable in most firearms.
I'll just stick with .38 +P thanks. Heck, if it's good enough for the FBI, it's good enough for me :D
peepeevagi 1 year ago
@peepeevagi
?? good enough for the FBI in the 1930s maybe.. do you think the FBI agents carry .38 revolvers?
GunWebsites 1 year ago 57
They actually carried them up untill the late seventies/early eighties before the creation of that fancy 10mm variety of ammo :D
I forget what the old FBI loads were. Something about +P and Wadcutters :/
peepeevagi 1 year ago
@GunWebsites I know I was the wtf. 38 special ammo was used by the fbi and that is why they had to change it because of an fbi shootout were they were out gunned.
TheShootTruth10 10 months ago
@GunWebsites Read the FBI analysis on the infamous 1986 Miami shoot out. The gun that terminated the fight was the S&W 686 revolver firing Winchester 38 Spl +P 158gr LSWC-HP's. The 9mm HP's had multiple failures-to-stop, and that is why the FBI dropped the caliber.
The 38 Spl +P 158 gr LSWC-HP is still available as a 900 fps loading (4" bbl) from Win/Rem, and as a 1150fps loading from Buffalo Bore that will outperform any 9mm load on the market!
coltperc 3 months ago
@coltperc
you made no point there
GunWebsites 3 months ago
@GunWebsites The point is that the 38 Spl +P 158 gr LSWC-HP ended the 1986 FBI Miami shoot-out where 9mm's failed. Top performing 38 +P ammo, especially in 158 gr LSWC-HP can outperform 9mm ammo. Soft lead HP's are useable in revolvers and not in auto-pistols, and is extremely reliable and deadly ammo.
I would imagine that many an FBI agent, just like many police officers, carry a 2" 38 / 357 compact revolver as backup.
coltperc 3 months ago
@coltperc
9mm is not .380 acp
GunWebsites 2 months ago
@GunWebsites I was replying to an earlier comment string concerning FBI use of 9mm & 38 Spl. It is not on the subject of "9mm is not 380 ACP", but the subject of "FBI use of 9mm & 38 Spl" IS in the comments section.
coltperc 2 months ago
Ammo is greatly improved in the last 25 years...
9mm remains the popular choice and in 147gr, has more penetration than all the other popular rounds in use today, including 38+P lswc-hp, 357 sig, 40 & 45.
StSimonMartyr 2 months ago
@StSimonMartyr dude a 9mm is not as powerful as a 40s&w and 45acp. And the 357 sig is smaller round and the 38+p is pretty much a 9mm rimmed round for a revolver. A 40 hollow point and a 45 hollow point will have a lot more power than a 9mm. Just saying
HondaCRF150FRIDER19 2 months ago
Powerful isnt an accurate term. Accuracy/Shot placement is everything in self defense.
With todays modern Hollowpoints, 9mm has MORE Penetration than all rounds mentioned.
And it expands TO 45acp size. A 45 will not kill any faster than a 9mm.
Navy Seals & most US Govt agencies, and most of the worlds militarys use 9mm, works for them just fine.
45 had its place 80 yrs ago when ammo wasnt nearly as wll designed.
StSimonMartyr 2 months ago
@StSimonMartyr In war they aren't allowed to use hollow points ...
ScopedPewPew 2 months ago
Our Mercenary/Hired blackwater xi goons can use hollow points in 'war', and they outnumber the military in the Middle East.
Rarely are sidearms drawn, and the door to door home invasions by our military dont require hollow points, they have shotguns and 223 Ars for such 'missions'
Coming soon to a town near you. More Neo Cohen madness
StSimonMartyr 2 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Im just saying a 45acp has more knockdown power and is able to put someone that is jacked up on meth in one shot while a 9mm will take a couple shots. A 45acp is just a bigger round with a bigger diameter and more knockdown power.
HondaCRF150FRIDER19 1 month ago
@StSimonMartyr And navy seals and law enforcement is now using 40 s&w and some 45acps. Mostly 40 s&w. And i know that because my cousin is a cop.
HondaCRF150FRIDER19 1 month ago
Navy Seals as Policy USE Sig P226 IN 9mm.
And so do most US government agencies.
Where you shoot is more impt than what caliber you shoot, youre talking millimeters in differnece.
With Good HP ammo, 9mm vs 45 argument is retarded, as 9mm penetrates more and expands to 1/3x+ or 33% of its original size.
Modern Warfare ie Geneva Convention, doesnt allow Hollowpoint ammo and why some Military like 45, but WITH HP, there is no difference.
This argument is not about 380 or 9mm though.
StSimonMartyr 1 month ago
@StSimonMartyr im just saying if you shoot once with a 45acp or 40s&w it will have a lot more energy and more stopping power than a 9mm. reason, the 9mm is a fast moving bullet with lots of energy but the problem is that it is moving too fast to put any energy into the persons body. it just goes right through. as in a 40 or 45 it is moving a lot slower so it has pletty of time to put ALL of its energy into the target. It will do more damage and also leave a MUCH LARGER exit wound.
HondaCRF150FRIDER19 1 month ago
@StSimonMartyr Also you said a 147 9mm has more power than a 45 acp hollow point. it is a bigger bullet with more energy. i dont know how you think a 147 grain jhp 9mm has more power then a 45acp 200jhp. Im just saying if im going to shoot someone i want them to go down in one shot to the chest not 2,3, or 4 like the 9mm.
HondaCRF150FRIDER19 1 month ago
Wrong.
9mm has almost identical % of 1 stop shots as 357, 40 and 45. All above 90%.
9mm has More PENETRATION than the other calibers, except 10mm (with its 147 loads)
'Power' is a misnomer and misleading term. FPE is better and that load in 9mm approaches 500fpe-see Buffalo Bore. It is an excellent Manstopper.
9mm also expands to 33% of its .355 shape TO 45acp size
The difference between 45 and 9mm is millimeters, we arent talking a large diameter here!
Get your head on straight!
StSimonMartyr 1 month ago
@HondaCRF150FRIDER19 "it is a bigger bullet with more energy"
Not to burst your bubble, but kinetic energy = 1/2 * m * v^2
If you're planning on shooting once, don't trust pistol calibers. If you're like me and prefer to group as much holes as you can under stress, either round will work.
I understand the .45ACP hate because it's a fudd cartridge, but there's nothing in it.
bf2lover42 1 month ago
@bf2lover42 im the 45acp lover. i hate the 9mm round. i think it worthless
HondaCRF150FRIDER19 1 month ago
@HondaCRF150FRIDER19 I know, I just said that I understand that many people love/hate the .45ACP for what it is.
9mm isn't exactly worthless. It's pretty good for competition shooting.
In my case, .40S&W is worthless. Why? Because I live in Europe and we don't have carry laws like yours. It's pretty pointless to go trough the hassle of buying a .40S&W gun because 9m/.45ACP is cheaper to shoot and the performance doesn't matter at all against inanimate targets.
bf2lover42 1 month ago
@HondaCRF150FRIDER19 (cont.) What's so wrong with the 9x19?
It won't expand as much as a .45ACP, but don't forget that expansion does not compensate for a poor shot. It exists to slow down the bullet in the body and transfer the energy, creating a larger wound channel, not to magically hit what you just missed.
BrassFecther explains it better:
/watch?v=fmBPLX3F5lg
bf2lover42 1 month ago
@GunWebsites a good friend of mine is an fbi agent lives in dc not sure about every other agent but he carries a glock 21
tubevideoguy762 2 months ago
@peepeevagi Err homeland security like ICE, FPS, and I'm pretty sure the FBI all use .40 ammo. Many police departments use .40 and 9mm.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@peepeevagi FBI uses 40 s&w now days not .380 haha yeah like the poster said maybe in the 1930s they did
fetus2genius1 8 months ago
@peepeevagi ?
Radion561 8 months ago
@peepeevagi FBI uses the .40 S&W and 10mm Auto. They stopped using .38 revolvers and 9x19mm pistols after the 1986 FBI Miami Shootout.
Some are diehards for the calibers, but that shootout pretty much ended their parade with that kit in general.
Reynard13Fuchs 3 months ago
.380 IS the same diameter as a 9mm, the case is just not as thick on the outer diameter, the inner casing diameter is the same. The casing just isn't as long, 17mm vs. 19mm. But you are correct that they aren't cross-compatible.
abraxsis 1 year ago
I stopped in a walmart to pick up some couch medicine on my way back from a trip and thought I would buy some ammo while I was there. A really rough looking guy came in insisting to return 9mm ammo because it didn't fit in his 380. The clerk showed him a 9mm and a 380 round to show him the difference and the dumbass still didn't get it.
teddycanary 1 year ago
9MM Kurz 9X19 .. 9MM Markov 9X18 ..9MM Luger 9X19
1MudDobber2 1 year ago
A standard 380 is about 60% as powerful as a standard 9mm.
eastofakron2 1 year ago
.380 is a 9mm short...
chopperkeith 1 year ago
Your videos are awesome, do you guys know if there are any places where they sell gun kits where you can assemble older guns as a good way to learn how they work plus all they would need to do is stamp metal so the price would be much lower.
hunterziegelmann 1 year ago
9x17 is .380 and 9x18 is 9mm makorov(not the same as 9mm luger/para) 9x19 is 9mm lurger it the standard bullet for all 9mm.
(.380 is actually smaller then a 9mm and it lower pressure velocity and grain)
standard .380 grain is 90-95 and 9mm is 115-147grain. velocity is big difference too
.380 is 800-995 fps and 9mm is 1000-1235 fps i seen some 9mm bullet go like 1350fps.
HmongHer94 1 year ago
I dont know why anyone would buy a .380 when the ammo is smaller than 9mm yet more expensive
AdoreYouInAshXI 1 year ago
@AdoreYouInAshXI
because of the size, you can get a ruger LCP, or a Kahr P380 and it fits so comfortably in your pocket. You don't even notice that your carrying a gun until you need it. The only reason people buy 380's is because they are such small pocket guns.
eastofakron2 1 year ago
That was very helpful, thanks for posting.
lexcan05 1 year ago
what if you were to put a .380 round in a larger barrel gun such as a 9mm or bigger? What would happen if you tried to fire the gun? Would it blow up?
pete5668 1 year ago
@pete5668
nothing it would fall out the barrel
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@GunWebsites Ok, What about a 9mm in a .40, or a .380 in 9mm? Would those fall out of the barrel too? Is it about the seal between the barrel and the casing?
pete5668 1 year ago
@GunWebsites
Not necessarily. Many moons ago I was out shooting with my father and a friend and I'm not certain who did it but someone had loaded a 9mm into a .45 acp magazine along with several .45s. At any rate I was the one shooting the .45 a SIG P220 and hit a round that didn't sound right. Tried to pull the trigger again and it didn't go bang. Inspected the gun and noticed a case lodged in barrel. I ended up needing to use a rod to press it out.
readyren 11 months ago
@GunWebsites no it wont i just tried dropping a 380 down my uzi barrel.
meifert2 10 months ago
@GunWebsites The .380 ACP is not small enough to fall right out the barrel, but since it's a shorter and smaller case, the firing pin would likely fail to reach the primer because it headspaces on the case mouth. In the event that it did ignite, it would probably fail to cycle the action and the case would split. You'd have to tap the case out of the barrel with a cleaning rod.
Kwimalo 9 months ago
@GunWebsites
actually 9mm para (9x19) and .380 acp (9x17) are both 355 diameter bullets. If you shoot a .380 out of a 9mm it will fire, however it might not cycle the next round. On the flip side if you shoot a 9mm out of a .380 gun it could blow up on you do to not being able to handle the pressure of a higher cartridge; especially since many .380's are blow-back operated, this would be quite unsafe! then there's the 9x18 Makarov cartridge but let's save that for another time!
ryulikia 8 months ago
@pete5668 No, it will not blow up, it will only fire as a single shot because the .380 does not have the power to make the action work to reload another round in a 9mm handgun. I have done this before. Is it recomended.. no... but in case of a emergency and you have a 9mm and happen to grab the wrong ammo (380) them yes you will be able to shoot one bullet (self loaded) at a time to defened your self. but please DO NOT SHOOT A 9MM THRU A .380 BAD, BAD, BAD
jakemiester45 1 year ago
@pete5668 Realistically, no. The bullet just shooots wild because it isn't the right size for the bore. The real issue is the case expanding in the chamber and getting jammed in there. That could be a PITA to clear.
My buddy once fired a 32 acp out of my 380 walther (I wasn't with him at the time.) No real harm done, but it could have jammed up the bore.
A;ways check. Only keep one type of ammo on the table when you load and you should be fine.
josephgioielli 1 year ago
@pete5668 No. But if it (the smaller .380 round) got stuck inside the barrel far enough that you could chamber a 9mm round and you did and pulled the trigger you would be missing a few fingers. That is if you survived the resulting explosion. This is a rather common accident and results from carrying a mix of ammo in ones pockets. A cleaning patch left in the barrel can do the same thing.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@pete5668 go ahead and try that --- your Darwin award is waiting
hoosier44 1 year ago
@pete5668
When he says about the round being flush with the back end of the barrel. That's called "headspacing". If a cart isn't properly headspaced, like the .380 is here, there's a very real possibility of the case exploding because it's not being held tightly enough
Ali3nat0r 11 months ago
thank you..
MrFad68 1 year ago
If your extractor can hold it during the full firing process, it should work.
Kind of like 40 in a 10mm, or 45acp in a 460rowland. I've had success with both, though I don't recommend doing it to anyone. More or less, it's just a trick you can do perhaps if it's the end of the world and that's all you have.
skyhop 1 year ago
Gun terminology isn't always clear, remember everyone wasn't raised with guns or do they own a gun shop. Calibers as mentioned above especially the 380 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) have different names in the rest of the world. 380 ACP is a US term. In Europe and much of the world it is 9X17 mm or 9mm Short; 9mm Kurz; 9mm Corto; 9mm Scurt; 9mm Browning; or 9 mm Court. Few foreign pistols stamp the slide 380 ACP, it’s one of the variations above.
surfer922 1 year ago
Really i think for the bullet world to not be confusing we'd need one standard of measurement for bullets.
GhostInTheShell29 1 year ago
what i don't get is:
Why do they call bullets after diameters they don't really have?
0,38'' is 9,652mm so it should be larger than the 9mm bullet.
Why don't they call it ".354", which would be approximatly 9mm?
SadamSkywalker 1 year ago
I bought a 380 9mm kurz AMT back up gun? what's does 9mm kurz mean?
coldpak82 1 year ago
@coldpak82
kurz is german for short..
.380 is basically 9mm short
GunWebsites 1 year ago 6
@GunWebsites is the 9x18 makarov and 380 the same
wolfcomer69 1 year ago
@wolfcomer69
WRONG.
380ACP = 9x17
9mm Makarov = 9x18
they are NOT the same
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 year ago
@AGeekWithAShotgun that is what i was asking i wasnt saying it was
wolfcomer69 1 year ago
@wolfcomer69 The 380 has a 0.355" bullet diameter and the 9x18 has a 0.365" bullet diameter in the hornady book.
jones1inc 1 year ago
@jones1inc I ment for this to go to @GunWebsites
jones1inc 1 year ago
@coldpak82 How much did you pay for the AMT backup .380?
Kliffton415 1 year ago
@coldpak82 9mm Kurz is .380 cal.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@coldpak82 .380 auto, .380 ACP, and Kurz is all the same thing.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
Recently I purchased a S&W 9 mm pistol. At the same gunstore I bought some practice ammo, I loaded both mags and began firing. A few rounds into the 2nd mag I had a failure to eject, guess why ? Some jackass mixed a .380 round in with the 9 mm. My 9mm ammo was Federal and the .380 was a CCI blazer. My smith did fire the round ,but the case expanded and it could not extract it. I realise I should have caught it apon loading the mags,but who would dream new ammo would be mixed ? it can happen
carvinrigged 1 year ago
9mm, 9x19, 9 NATO, 9mm makarov is different from the others.
MrToadland1 1 year ago
TFMTraining, yes it is basic but a lot of folks do not know ammo and firearms like some of us do. This is a good video for newbie's. Good job, GunWebsites
packinaglock 1 year ago
I have been reloading .380 for my ruger and am now going to start reloading for my 9mm. I have like 500 100grain FMJ 380 bullets just laying around. My question is can i take those .380 bullets and load them into my 9mm cases? They have the same diameter. Also, how far would i seat the bullet? Would i follow the seating guidelines stated in the loading data for the 380 or 9mm. And would I use the powder measurements listed in the 380 loading data. Thanks for the Help!
DualRatedFlyer 1 year ago
I would love to have an aftermarket 9mm barrel for my EMP 40SW! that would be sweet!
shaokem 1 year ago
i have shot 380auto out of a highpoint 9mm, i shot around 35 rounds of 380autos and the highpoint still work
9911daniel 1 year ago
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@TFMTTraining and @GunWebsites
Thanks to both or you for the great information. I needed to know why a .380 could not be used in a 9mm and more importantly why 9mm could not be used in a PPK that says 9mm right on the gun. For the same reasons that TFMTTraining mentioned, I was confused about why the Walther says 9mm and .380 on the slide, but now I understand that "9mm Kurtz" must be referring to the size of the slug that is in a .380 shell.
Thanks again, and great video explanation.
andrewclark66 1 year ago
9mm (metric measurement) is in imperial .38 of a inch bullet although the cartridge is a different story.
hardman476 1 year ago
Kind of a marginal description. While both rounds used the same size projectile, the shells are very different in size and cannot be used in pistols of the others caliber. The confusion arises because the 380 goes under several different names. 380 Auto, 380 ACP, 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Short and 9x17mm. That's the confusing part, not explained in this video. Saying that "because they have different names, they must be different", doesn't cut it. 380 has 6 different names for the same round.
TFMTraining 1 year ago 54
@TFMTraining
Whats with the attitude?
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@TFMTTraining and @GunWebsites
Thanks to both or you for the great information. I needed to know why a .380 could not be used in a 9mm and more importantly why 9mm could not be used in a PPK that says 9mm right on the gun. For the same reasons that TFMTTraining mentioned, I was confused about why the Walther says 9mm and .380 on the slide, but now I understand that "9mm Kurtz" must be referring to the size of the slug that is in a .380 shell.
Thanks again, and great video explanation.
andrewclark66 1 year ago
@andrewclark66 It's 9mm Kurz. There is no T in it.. Why does EVERYONE spell it wrong?
762Fanatic 1 year ago
@762Fanatic
Because it's a german word, EVERYONE I know doesn't speak german.. so there you go
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@762Fanatic Because everyone is so fond of your adorable bitch fits.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 1 year ago
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@TFMTTraining and @GunWebsites
Thanks to both or you for the great information. I needed to know why a .380 could not be used in a 9mm and more importantly why 9mm could not be used in a PPK that says 9mm right on the gun. For the same reasons that TFMTTraining mentioned, I was confused about why the Walther says 9mm and .380 on the slide, but now I understand that "9mm Kurtz" must be referring to the size of the slug that is in a .380 shell.
Thanks again, and great video explanation.
andrewclark66 1 year ago
acp means automatic colt pistol
Ishootthingsgood 1 year ago
9mm - 9x19mm, .380 is 9x17, and I think 9mm makarov is 9x18 right ? Sorry if you said this but I'm posting this 1/2 way through the video..
mixwell1983 1 year ago
Is that case diameter you refer to being different? I thought .380 and 9mm were both .355"
jwash3rd 1 year ago
i hear things like 45 acp what does acp mean
14lessthan1 1 year ago
@14lessthan1
it stands for Auto Colt Pistol
it is a way of designating a pistol round vs. a revolver round
GunWebsites 1 year ago
@14lessthan1 acp = America Can Prevail
aus2045 1 year ago
@14lessthan1 Automat Colt pistol
jassoe 1 year ago
what would happen if you shot a 380 thru a 9mm? would it mess up the gun ?
huntz2471 1 year ago
380 is neat but i thnk its only made for real small guns like t he keltek p3at and ruger lcp. pushes like what, 220 ft pounds of energy and the 9mm goes on up to almost 400. cant put a 9mm in a tiny p3at sized gun without it flyin out of ur hand tho. p3at s even smaller than the pf9
elitesack 1 year ago
@mikekazik1
After watching your video, I see you are not someone I'm interested in communicating with
Go away
Don't watch our videos
GunWebsites 1 year ago
They're not the same but they're both 9mm.
MuscIeBound 1 year ago
.380 is sometimes labeled 9mm kurtz or short.
prescottbill 1 year ago
@prescottbill
yup, and that doesn't help the confusion at all..
GunWebsites 1 year ago
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mikekazik2 1 year ago
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mikekazik2 1 year ago
What is the .380 compared to the 9x18 makarov then?
Omnignosis 1 year ago
@Omnignosis smaller.
elitesack 1 year ago
@elitesack
Lol. I mean in standard measurment terms.
If Makarov is 9x18mm and .380 is 9X17mm, then what does the metric 1mm translate to in standard?
Omnignosis 1 year ago
1/2" lexan glass target:
.380ACP- zero penetration, .150-.200" indentation (avg)
9mm- full penetration of target
RayAir1 1 year ago
which is better with stopping a man the 9mm or the 380
theoster 2 years ago
@ theoster
neither, using your brain to avoid the situation works best
GunWebsites 2 years ago
@GunWebsites Good answer Bro. Even though the .380 and 9mm use the same 9mm diameter bullets the .380 case is slightly smaller in diameter because the 9mm brass is thicker to withstand the higher operating pressures of the 9. I must hate me because I reload both rounds.
klesmer 1 year ago
@GunWebsites sorry i didnt see you already responded to theoster before i commented at least we agree on the subject
thebadone1986 1 year ago
@theoster the 9mm is a man stopper,use 147 grain in my opinion +p 115 or 124 is a waste,380 doesnt even compare to 9mm luger stopping power,will it kill?yes,do you need 45?no,i like 9mm luger and 40 s&w for defense,my 45 and 357 are just range guns but thats just me.
O4jampO4 1 year ago
@theoster
without a doubt the 9mm,
eastofakron 1 year ago
@theoster The best 9mm load probably has about 2x the energy of the hottest .380
Riflemanm16a2 1 year ago
@theoster The 9mm is better hands down. It's a heavier bullet that travels faster than the 380 acp.
mikekazik1 1 year ago
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mikekazik2 1 year ago
@theoster 9mm is bigger in most cases but it might not even stop the man but it will probably be more affective then the 380.
Jd9630wesleybillings 1 year ago
@theoster basically the best way of stopping a man is using your head and avoiding the situations where you would need to stop a man but worst case scenario they both do the job and both do it remarkably well but if you play it smart you should never have to but like i said should never but there is always the off chance you do
thebadone1986 1 year ago
@MrTwinz08 after watching this video i was gonna say that same thing... of course a 9x19 is gonna be different from a 9x17, the length difference alone tells you one is gonna be a lil stronger..
mybuickskill6979 2 years ago
the .380 ACP has much less energy than the 9mm Para - roughly half of that - but it is not half the size, it is just a little smaller - why the big difference?
ealnav 2 years ago
@ealnav Lots of things, from bullet weight (most .380 loads have a 90grain bullet, whereas 140-ish grain 9mm loads are not uncommon), to the amount of powder used. The bullets being similar in diametre doesnt mean much really.
DuraLexSedLex 2 years ago