Sorry to burst your bubble but Microsoft hasn't stolen anything from KDE here!
Flip 3d was added to Windows Longhorn (that's what Vista was called during development) in build 5546 on Aug 24 2006. Flip Switch wasn't added to KDE until Jan 27 2008 nearly 18 months later. And that was only the developer build, it wasn't available in mainstream distros until much later.
The Dock paradigm has been around much longer - since at least 1989 in the form of NextSTEP and later in Mac OS X.
I realize 2 months is a bit late and you probably already installed something, but here goes.
If you plan to use is as a gaming PC, it's best to install XP and ignore the aging user interface. If you REALLY want bleeding edge DirectX10 graphics over DirectX9, add AT LEAST 1 GB of Ram (3 GB would be better) and install Windows 7.
Besides installing Windows you SHOULD install a Linux distro you like, if you don't know which one I suggest starting with Ubuntu. It will create a dual-boot
@weirdcast2 That's true Windows and Mac both have copied ideas from Linux, and BSD ... kde and gnome . Most people don't know what Linux is so the ideas they copy go unnoticed by most people ...
Actually...no. The NT kernel that is at the heart of all current windows OS's (XP, Vista, Windows Server Editions, and Windows 7) was originally developed by a team MS hired from Digital. It has more in common with VMS than it does Unix
@Nickleo9 Old Windows came from MSDos which rivaled Unix. Current windows is based off of Microsoft's own NT kernel as horrid of a mess as it is. The main thing is Microsoft's "innovative ideas" and new gui features are all things the descendants of Unix have had for ages. It would be fine if they gave some credit or packaged fairly, but they claim these things as new, innovative and their's.
@Rifalltoo Windows used DOS as a bootloader and underlying system until version 4.2 (Windows Me). In parallel with those starting 1993 there was developed Windows NT line of OS that did not share DOS dependency but shared code with VMS. All modern versions of Windows are based on Windows NT code, with Windows 7 actually being Windows NT 6.1.
@MNWalkr NT wouldn't be here without DOS, which goes to show that some elements of DOS are in NT, but they don't want you to believe that. There is still a little DOS in windows, even if it's only 1%.
@Rifalltoo Rrrriight. If it comes to that why don't we say that Windows is here because of Multics, since Unix, which MS purchased as Xenix, was created as a response to Multics.
@Rifalltoo Unlike Windows 9x series Windows NT doesn't have fallback mechanism to DOS console, doesn't have DOS real mode, doesn't even have normal DOS extended mode, it has only DOS emulation. Very poor emulation, BTW, otherwise DOS Box wouldn't be so popular. Windows NT shares no code with good ol'DOS, and no user interface. So stop talking nonsense.
@Nickleo9 Windows was copied from (by spying on)) the 2 steves inc AKA apple .DOS was purchased for a deal involving IIBM Most and maybe all MS products were copied or sometimes purchased from actual software developers. Like digital research The funniest example I remember was when DOS 6.2.1 was actually 6.2 stripped of their new compression software, which BG "forgot" to purchase from its owner before he started selling 6.2 Microsoft is really short for microscopic software marketing.
The #1 reason Kicker doesn't suck: at least the apps end up in logical places, instead of alphabetically by some cryptic/hard-to-remember company name that I don't even want to pay attention to. Why are iTunes and Windows Media Player basically a moon apart, despite the fact they do basically the same thing(s)?
I think its to be expected for Microsoft, Apple, and even some open source developers to copy ideas from each other.
I mean, if I was writing a program and I found a feature in a similar program that I liked why wouldn't I try to duplicate it?
I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 7 starts to us virtual desktops. Why? Because its a handy feature! This is how technology advances, people. Ideas are improved duplicated/copied and improved upon within their respective environment.
Originally virtual workspaces were implemented in the AmigaOS Workbench in the mid-to-late 80s. As the history of X11 WMs is a bit convoluted, I can't verify if any of them sported the feature any earlier than this (or maybe I just suck).
@LTS1287 As a programmer and proponent of open source software, I am all for sharing, pulling, and borrowing ideas and code but you give credit where it is due. You do not make an outright copy and call it your innovative idea, if they just said it was an added feature it would be fine, but they say it is their's.
hey.... does anyone else have the problem that this video only plays in the right speaker... i thought my headphones were broke for a second but it only happens on this video.... who does that?
The kickoff menu in KDE 4 is a knockoff of the Vista/Win 7 start menu. The ability to add progam launchers to the taskbar/panel have been present in Gnome and KDE for a while. Gnome and KDE also have multiple virtual desktops natively, something OS X only recently adopted and still isn't available by default in a Windows system
"The kickoff menu in KDE 4 is a knockoff of the Vista/Win 7 start menu."
The Windows Vista / Windows 7 start menu is a usability disaster, its absolutely horrible. KDE 4's Kickoff is quite nice to use, and besides, even if you don't like Kickoff, in KDE its just another widget, you can change to the "classic" menu if you want or switch to Lancelot, and sooner or later Raptor. Can't do that with Windows.
For you it is a disaster, but for all we know you are mentally retarded. For myself, Vista marked the first time I did not revert back to the classic "Win 95" start menu. Kickoff blows. Besides the menu transitions being annoyingly slow, the "back button" on the menu is so small that it's possible to click to far left, leaving the user to wonder why the menu hasn't moved back yet. KDE copied the kickoff from early versions of Vista when it was still in Alpha, and they did a poor job at that.
Not to be nitpicky, and I know this is an old topic, but wasn't KDE 4 public before the Windows 7 beta even? Just saying that would reverse your first sentence there...
let's face it... if Microsoft would really copy Apple they would never have to worry about viruses and malware. If they could get it right.
The problem with Microsoft is that they seem to think just like the typical jackass and just change the look a little bit and to hell with functionality.
If Vista did try to copy OS X they did a piss poor job of it.
Go away you troll.. sigh... all you do is making nothing but anti-Microsoft videos, just like Emeek77 you must be one of the most miserable and dissatisfied Apple users on this planet. If Apple makes such great products, then why do you need to defend them all the time over and over again... and over the back of Windows users. Check out music artists... they get more popular by performing better and not by bashing fellow artists in YouTube videos....
Apple makes good products and you certainly arent expanding their fan base with this kind of juvenile behavior.... get a lfie...seriously... do something useful for Apple instead of acting like a cheap extension of their Microsoft bashing commercials...geesh...and yes, PC users bash too, but have you looked at the PC vs Mac videos; 90-95% are made by mac users! Quite astonishing with such a small user base! You all don't do Apple any favor... really...you don't.
It reminds me a lot of the Presidental campaign... after a while all the Obama bashing started to lose its effect and actuall worked against his opponents. Haven't you learned anythign from that....tsk...tsk...tsk...
Dragonball is no troll. His comments are always welcome here. He's not anti-microsoft, he's anti-vista. Thats an opinion I happen to share. Show some respect.
@brtidwell55 what i dont get is why u are ANTI vista? not knowing how to use the operating system is ur fault. Also dont give me the BS that "its runs slow" judging by this video if u place an operating system on it the performance isnt going to be that great at all.
All u people trying to bash an operating system because u couldnt find out how to use it or it "ran slow" because ur computer is crap dont know what the hell ur talking about.
For MS to truly copy OS X they'd have to dump the NT architecture and build a new OS from the ground up using a Unix-type kernel, file system and security/permissions model. I don't think they are trying to copy OS X. They are borrowing UI elements from a lot of places, including OS X. That's what MS has always done.
Mircosoft stool from KDE 4
fatheroftwins06 5 months ago
Microsoft is thief! We are free (as booth) and always will be, but Bill must be in prison!
GioGziro95 5 months ago
just watch pirates of silicon valley :)
RWOverdijk 1 year ago
use camtasia
hurizam 1 year ago
KDE isn't an OS, it is a GUI. So maybe the video should have been called, " Windows 7 - Which GUI does it really copy".
seanadupre 1 year ago
Where do you hear these things? The hunting blind on opening day of duck season?
MillBelater 1 year ago
Why waste your time on this? Does it really matter in the end?
Lutherkb 1 year ago
OSes have been ripping each other off for decades.
OSX's Front Row is nearly identical to the Windows Media Center
Window's 7's taskbar is almost exactly like Apple's dock
I noticed MS revised some of their SFX to resemble the same effects Beryl has been using since '07.
KDE is built to look like Windows.
Gnome is built to look like Mac OSX.
Tell me when you find a perfect operating system that doesn't hog resources that's totally original. ;)
DocterSorcerer 1 year ago
@DocterSorcerer Some fair points, however Gnome started in 1997, several years before OSX was released so I doubt it was built to look like OSX!
MidnightTortoise 1 year ago
Sorry to burst your bubble but Microsoft hasn't stolen anything from KDE here!
Flip 3d was added to Windows Longhorn (that's what Vista was called during development) in build 5546 on Aug 24 2006. Flip Switch wasn't added to KDE until Jan 27 2008 nearly 18 months later. And that was only the developer build, it wasn't available in mainstream distros until much later.
The Dock paradigm has been around much longer - since at least 1989 in the form of NextSTEP and later in Mac OS X.
djonesuk 1 year ago
did u made this camera urself during humping your mum... pls dude get a better one
arulflorance 1 year ago
Your so fucking stupid. I don't even know where to begin. Windows 7 isn't coping anything.
bnelson33186 1 year ago
@bnelson33186 lol
foxyd3 11 months ago
Actually it is also the Hybrid Kernel
DarrenGriffitt 1 year ago
stereo sound... please make it MONO before uploading, so annoying only to hear sound on one side
FusionNinjin 1 year ago
it came from vista
ejvdo 1 year ago
Specs : Dual core e2140 1.6Ghz
-Nvidia Ge-force 8400gs 512mb
-1GB DDR2 Ram which OS do you recommend plz reply......
Boreber 1 year ago
@Boreber
I realize 2 months is a bit late and you probably already installed something, but here goes.
If you plan to use is as a gaming PC, it's best to install XP and ignore the aging user interface. If you REALLY want bleeding edge DirectX10 graphics over DirectX9, add AT LEAST 1 GB of Ram (3 GB would be better) and install Windows 7.
Besides installing Windows you SHOULD install a Linux distro you like, if you don't know which one I suggest starting with Ubuntu. It will create a dual-boot
psf1busta 1 year ago
I LOVE LINUX.
DarkRubySage 1 year ago
kde was out way before windows 7 and vista. microsoft ripped them off completely.
weirdcast2 1 year ago 14
@weirdcast2 That's true Windows and Mac both have copied ideas from Linux, and BSD ... kde and gnome . Most people don't know what Linux is so the ideas they copy go unnoticed by most people ...
maw88ify 7 months ago
Vista & windows 7 sucks. Give me xp any day.
TheKiwiboy1 2 years ago 3
turn your mic down and it only comes out of one speaker my LORD
rabbitnightmare 2 years ago
Windows came from unix idiots.
Nickleo9 2 years ago
Actually...no. The NT kernel that is at the heart of all current windows OS's (XP, Vista, Windows Server Editions, and Windows 7) was originally developed by a team MS hired from Digital. It has more in common with VMS than it does Unix
brtidwell55 2 years ago 4
@brtidwell55 Windows NT derived from the joint project between IBM, and Microsoft, to which there where developing OS/2 :)
Atheist18505 1 year ago
@Nickleo9 you are retarded
nathan8BIT 2 years ago
@Nickleo9 Old Windows came from MSDos which rivaled Unix. Current windows is based off of Microsoft's own NT kernel as horrid of a mess as it is. The main thing is Microsoft's "innovative ideas" and new gui features are all things the descendants of Unix have had for ages. It would be fine if they gave some credit or packaged fairly, but they claim these things as new, innovative and their's.
palendrance 1 year ago
@Nickleo9 WINDOWS CAME FROM DOS, AND IS STILL ON DOS YOU ASSHOLE IDIOT KNOW-NOTHING!!!
Rifalltoo 1 year ago
@Rifalltoo Windows used DOS as a bootloader and underlying system until version 4.2 (Windows Me). In parallel with those starting 1993 there was developed Windows NT line of OS that did not share DOS dependency but shared code with VMS. All modern versions of Windows are based on Windows NT code, with Windows 7 actually being Windows NT 6.1.
MNWalkr 1 year ago
@MNWalkr NT wouldn't be here without DOS, which goes to show that some elements of DOS are in NT, but they don't want you to believe that. There is still a little DOS in windows, even if it's only 1%.
Rifalltoo 1 year ago
@Rifalltoo Rrrriight. If it comes to that why don't we say that Windows is here because of Multics, since Unix, which MS purchased as Xenix, was created as a response to Multics.
MNWalkr 1 year ago
@Rifalltoo Unlike Windows 9x series Windows NT doesn't have fallback mechanism to DOS console, doesn't have DOS real mode, doesn't even have normal DOS extended mode, it has only DOS emulation. Very poor emulation, BTW, otherwise DOS Box wouldn't be so popular. Windows NT shares no code with good ol'DOS, and no user interface. So stop talking nonsense.
MNWalkr 1 year ago
@Nickleo9 Um, if windows came with unix, it would actually work.
Rifalltoo 9 months ago
@Nickleo9 Windows was copied from (by spying on)) the 2 steves inc AKA apple .DOS was purchased for a deal involving IIBM Most and maybe all MS products were copied or sometimes purchased from actual software developers. Like digital research The funniest example I remember was when DOS 6.2.1 was actually 6.2 stripped of their new compression software, which BG "forgot" to purchase from its owner before he started selling 6.2 Microsoft is really short for microscopic software marketing.
thumper88888 7 months ago
use audacity
pcpro987 2 years ago
Microsoft owns a lot of Apple
Zaharkl 2 years ago
I've had windows 7 since april. I fucking hate it can't wait to get xp back on my machine.
wompasdub 2 years ago
You know it mate. Good old xp can't beat it.
TheKiwiboy1 2 years ago
record in stereo duuude
mihou2 2 years ago
MS always copied from other OS's.
UltimatePisman 2 years ago 3
like in the 80s when gates copied apples GUI
Insatanic 2 years ago 2
@Insatanic apple didn't invent the gui either
nathan8BIT 2 years ago
but they were the first to incorporate it into a personal computer. aka the apple lisa then eventually the macintosh.
weirdcast2 1 year ago
The #1 reason Kicker doesn't suck: at least the apps end up in logical places, instead of alphabetically by some cryptic/hard-to-remember company name that I don't even want to pay attention to. Why are iTunes and Windows Media Player basically a moon apart, despite the fact they do basically the same thing(s)?
Thesupermadman 2 years ago 2
this video sux... 1. quality poor.. 2. narrator sounds like he has a breathing problem.. 3. what was your point again?
adonigh 2 years ago
0/10
troll harder
LTS1287 2 years ago
Did you ask your mommy permission to use the internet?
Seriously, the elitist bullshit attitude is a cancer.
LTS1287 2 years ago
I think its to be expected for Microsoft, Apple, and even some open source developers to copy ideas from each other.
I mean, if I was writing a program and I found a feature in a similar program that I liked why wouldn't I try to duplicate it?
I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 7 starts to us virtual desktops. Why? Because its a handy feature! This is how technology advances, people. Ideas are improved duplicated/copied and improved upon within their respective environment.
LTS1287 2 years ago 5
True virtual desktops is something I'd like to see in Windows. OSX has had it for a couple of year now and X11 has had it forever.
brtidwell55 2 years ago
@brtidwell55
Originally virtual workspaces were implemented in the AmigaOS Workbench in the mid-to-late 80s. As the history of X11 WMs is a bit convoluted, I can't verify if any of them sported the feature any earlier than this (or maybe I just suck).
hal970fx 1 year ago
@LTS1287 As a programmer and proponent of open source software, I am all for sharing, pulling, and borrowing ideas and code but you give credit where it is due. You do not make an outright copy and call it your innovative idea, if they just said it was an added feature it would be fine, but they say it is their's.
palendrance 1 year ago
@palendrance: Most Free Software does give credit where it is due. Its mainly M$ and Apple that use ideas without giving others credit.
LTS1287 1 year ago
Oh come on, dont you have better things to do? My guess is whatever Windows would be like it would be a ripoff of something in your mind.
Poor you...
mzx791 2 years ago
hey.... does anyone else have the problem that this video only plays in the right speaker... i thought my headphones were broke for a second but it only happens on this video.... who does that?
anubis9109 2 years ago
it's his mic. it was set to stereo record or the right channel was isolated.
EBTL0947 2 years ago
I don't know why, but this looks like a terrorist video to me.
Lumberoo 2 years ago 5
LOL
tak178 2 years ago
I can see some resemblance there and if say it was copied from KDE I'd be fine with it. They at least picked a better OS to copy off.
blacksteel25 3 years ago 2
Wow!! Something KDE copied from looks like KDE! LOL!
Also ubuntu is just a windows wannabe but you dont hear windows users whining!
Mactards and lintards = same brainless zombies!
SuperiorBeen 3 years ago
The kickoff menu in KDE 4 is a knockoff of the Vista/Win 7 start menu. The ability to add progam launchers to the taskbar/panel have been present in Gnome and KDE for a while. Gnome and KDE also have multiple virtual desktops natively, something OS X only recently adopted and still isn't available by default in a Windows system
brtidwell55 3 years ago
"The kickoff menu in KDE 4 is a knockoff of the Vista/Win 7 start menu."
The Windows Vista / Windows 7 start menu is a usability disaster, its absolutely horrible. KDE 4's Kickoff is quite nice to use, and besides, even if you don't like Kickoff, in KDE its just another widget, you can change to the "classic" menu if you want or switch to Lancelot, and sooner or later Raptor. Can't do that with Windows.
Keruaran 2 years ago
For you it is a disaster, but for all we know you are mentally retarded. For myself, Vista marked the first time I did not revert back to the classic "Win 95" start menu. Kickoff blows. Besides the menu transitions being annoyingly slow, the "back button" on the menu is so small that it's possible to click to far left, leaving the user to wonder why the menu hasn't moved back yet. KDE copied the kickoff from early versions of Vista when it was still in Alpha, and they did a poor job at that.
jonah1976 2 years ago
You lost me at, "but for all we know you are mentally retarded".
You're a low altitude flyer.
Keruaran 2 years ago
Not to be nitpicky, and I know this is an old topic, but wasn't KDE 4 public before the Windows 7 beta even? Just saying that would reverse your first sentence there...
kawaiilexie 2 years ago
They say Vista copied OSX. That like saying Honda copied Chevy because they both have doors, windows, engine, tires, and steering wheels.
GlockNinja 3 years ago
Exactly and let's face it... if Microsoft would really copy Apple all the time they wouldn't have 90% market share but Apple's lousy 5-8%...sigh
00xm 3 years ago
let's face it... if Microsoft would really copy Apple they would never have to worry about viruses and malware. If they could get it right.
The problem with Microsoft is that they seem to think just like the typical jackass and just change the look a little bit and to hell with functionality.
If Vista did try to copy OS X they did a piss poor job of it.
dragonballjiujitsu 3 years ago
Go away you troll.. sigh... all you do is making nothing but anti-Microsoft videos, just like Emeek77 you must be one of the most miserable and dissatisfied Apple users on this planet. If Apple makes such great products, then why do you need to defend them all the time over and over again... and over the back of Windows users. Check out music artists... they get more popular by performing better and not by bashing fellow artists in YouTube videos....
00xm 3 years ago
Apple makes good products and you certainly arent expanding their fan base with this kind of juvenile behavior.... get a lfie...seriously... do something useful for Apple instead of acting like a cheap extension of their Microsoft bashing commercials...geesh...and yes, PC users bash too, but have you looked at the PC vs Mac videos; 90-95% are made by mac users! Quite astonishing with such a small user base! You all don't do Apple any favor... really...you don't.
00xm 3 years ago 2
It reminds me a lot of the Presidental campaign... after a while all the Obama bashing started to lose its effect and actuall worked against his opponents. Haven't you learned anythign from that....tsk...tsk...tsk...
00xm 3 years ago
Interesting you make an account long enough to make rude comments to me then you run away so I cant make a complete ass of you.
But I'm the troll.....lol
dragonballjiujitsu 3 years ago
Dragonball is no troll. His comments are always welcome here. He's not anti-microsoft, he's anti-vista. Thats an opinion I happen to share. Show some respect.
brtidwell55 3 years ago
@brtidwell55 what i dont get is why u are ANTI vista? not knowing how to use the operating system is ur fault. Also dont give me the BS that "its runs slow" judging by this video if u place an operating system on it the performance isnt going to be that great at all.
All u people trying to bash an operating system because u couldnt find out how to use it or it "ran slow" because ur computer is crap dont know what the hell ur talking about.
kdawgmaster 1 year ago
For MS to truly copy OS X they'd have to dump the NT architecture and build a new OS from the ground up using a Unix-type kernel, file system and security/permissions model. I don't think they are trying to copy OS X. They are borrowing UI elements from a lot of places, including OS X. That's what MS has always done.
brtidwell55 3 years ago
Let's face it... Microsoft... They just don't realize how much they suck.
Keruaran 3 years ago