desde españa...BIBA CHAMORRO BIBA GUAM...BIBA LA HERENCIA ESPAÑOLA EN GUAM.. NO PIERDAN EL IDIOMA SAGRADO DE CHAMORRO ESPAÑOL.. UN ABRAZO A LOS CHAMORROS DESDE ESPAÑA
how can you preserve these dances and call them guams traditional dances if none of these copy cat guam dances were really made by the original indigenous ancestors of guam .and if there were real traditional guam dances im pretty sure they wont be very similar to polynesian dances.
@waveriderz Yep, I had an orgy with three Chamorritas. I guess that is of great value, isn't it? In any case, I just wanted to state that it is amusing to hear the Chamorro heritage from a non-native. Shame on the natives to have someone explain their culture by someone. That was my point, and nothing more. Would it be right for a Chamorro to explain the Filipino culture in the RPI? Ummmmm...
@MrWakarimashita ...now how could one doubt the words of one of the finest minds in the Pacific. Am sure you've spent countless seconds on your research.
I Am A Proud Member Of The Group and Realize What Is Truly and Will Always Be Chamoru To Me ! The material taught To us Is Pure Research ! Our movements Symbolize Things Known To Our Ancestors ! The lyrics Taught to us is Called Fino' Haya The Language Before Any Type of contact From Outsiders ! I Feel Personally A Strong Connection While Using Out Ancient Language ! I Feel The Strength and The Presence Of My Ancestors !
Hafa Adai Taotao's. I just wanted to let you all know that coming from tne Do'gi Aguero Clan from Yona.. Im realizing just by reading all your comments how much I have to learn, discover and investigate. I was MOVED by the collaborations of all the Islands the United in this video event... I really appreciate this video and speaker... especially to the performers. Thank you Si Yu'us Ma'sse.
AHHH i performd there with the PA'A TAOTAO TANO group..este si tudan eileen meno este si tudan frank rabon..SORRY my chammoro language cut LOL..we do.do stick dances we work with sticks for musical instruments..so ask a CHAMMORU person who has EXPERIENCE before judging nd writing stuffs you DONT know about..k -STARR-
guamanians people didn't do stick dance or all those things they do in dancing......my chamorro and social studies teacher said they only chant and sing.....
Not to start any fights but I have the upmost respect for every islander that has respect for us. Chamorros are not copy cats. We are not borrowing any styles of dance from any other cultures. As you can see by physical appearance, we are the same people as the Maori, Samoans, and Tongans. Guam has been around for thousands of years. People have migrated from Samoa, New Zealand, as well as Tonga. Before the Spanish occupation our people had its own dance that was similar to that of Samoan
other islanders need to understand that our ancestors who opposed the Spanish presence were killed and the children were taken and placed into Catholic schools........ Our ancestors were forced into the Catholic and Spanish lifestyle.... IT IS OUR TIME TO TAKE BACK WHAT WE CAN AND TEACH OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS....... BIBA CHAMORU
@halfcas Ironic that you use the phrase "BIBA CHAMORU". This phrase is TOTALLY SPANISH. Why does everyone think that the Spaniards killed the people of the lands that they colonized?This is exactly what the Americans want us to think. You need to do your research. The Spaniards did not commit genocide. True that the diseases arrived because of the Spaniards, but it was not used as a weapon by the Spaniards. The founders of the USA killed the natives. The Spaniards mixed and married instead
@CHAM0RRITO Take it from me, I am Chamorro studying and researching in Mexico City. I have learned much about CHAMORRO culture & history here in Mexico. So much of our written history is housed in national archives of Mexico. So much our our Chamorro culture has its origins here in Mexico. Obviously many of our foods too. Titiyas, tamales, atole, champurrado & guyuria among other foods. I am learning Guam history & culture from people that contributed to it. Our colonial brothers, the Mexicans.
@CHAM0RRITO i don't think anyone denies our common heritage. It is one of colonialism. Powerful countries motivated by a desire to possess new lands and riches. They "discovered" people in places who existed long before their arrival in these new lands. If you're really studying Guam's history then you would know that Guam's people existed long before the arrival of the Spanish in the 1500's.
@waveriderz Dont get me wrong. I do know that guams people existed before the spanish arrived. But if it were not for the spaniards, we would have ZERO knowledge of the culture that existed prior. The spanish kept very good records. The problem is that there no Chamorros that are taking the initiative to learn spanish so that they could decifer the spanish documents. In my research, i have not only learned how to speak spanish, but it has helped me tremendously to learn more Chamorro.
@CHAM0RRITO same thing in the phils. the spanish records kept a lot of records about prehispanic phils. in fact, our prehispanic writing is preserved only bec of spanish records. but we need filipino scholars to relearn spanish so we can translate & uncover these spanish records
@halfcas Dont base your views on the Spanish colonization of Guam on the American perspective. The Spaniards made alliances with the Chamorros in order to establish their presence in Guam. The land that was designated by Chamorro Chief Quipuha to build the first mission was an alliance made between the Chamorros and the Spaniards. True there were conflicts, but the Spanish could have easily shot and killed all the Chamorros in order to make Guam their own. USA wants us to forget that heritage.
I'm from California and half chamorro me and my family are part of a polynesian club that is mixed with every nationality i was watching the video about our origins,my daughter and son dance,and I drum but here our family keeps it traditional because thats how we wre raised, my grandmother raised me shes chamoru to the bone and she dont like american ways and yes too many of our people are turning fom our traditians
Chamoru history spans many many years and many many changes. Even the latte would be foreign to the first chamorus. Culture is always evolving and adapting. Celebrate our past yet embrace our identity today. There is much to draw from. There is much more to be created.
Chamorros and Refaluwasch, CNMI or Guahan...This is urgent! You need to watch "CNMI Descent for Self-Government & Indigenous Rights". I uploaded the videos. Spread to friends and families!
research is being done by those who see value in preserving Chamorro culture. Much of which is being lost in todays changing world. I merely report their activity. It is through their hard work and generosity that i have this to share with my family and others like you. There is quite a bit on the internet and i hope to be posting more. You could start there....
I was wondering if you had any knowledge of the original language, or the closest thing to it. I would REALLY love it if you tought people through videos or just some basics to get started. I cannot find any real source to learn it. Yet its the most important thing to keeping our peoples culture alive. I would really love it if you could share ANY words or phrases you have to offer... Hafa Adai =D
This is great what you have reseached on the traditional indigenous chamorros. I am so happy I can now share with my girls my island traditional roots through the remaking of the chamorro dances, songs, chants, etc. you have shared here with us. Thank you so much.
and for the Spanish part! Yes, our dances are highly influenced by the spanish world, but what makes them unique is the Pacific Island Tropical Flare, some of the movement gestures held down from indigenious cultures that were preserved, similiar to other Pacific Islands and some of the South East Asian cultures like Phillipines and Indonesia. Both dances should be showcased at Pacfic Island festivals , like PIFA to show our culture!
theres argument on what lies under the ancient society. I think with costume, not custom...the clothing should be more similiar to what Magellen and the other European explorers documented when they arrived to Guam. Im sure the chants and dances are close enough to the stories of the ancient people, before the SPanish colonization but the clothing in this video looked too much like the Moari culture, which I believe wasn't close enough to the ancient chamorro dress. look @Chief Guada and Quipua
some clips in this video were shot at the Pacific Festival of the Arts,this time in American Samoa, and are labeled as such. Many island groups celebrate this event. As for tropical "flair", much of Guam's dance today was influenced by teachers,and a tour industry who chose Polynesian as a model for reconstruction.Why not Micronesian? There are many opinions and i commend anyone "actively" preserving their culture.San Diego's annual PIFA dances are mostly Polynesian. Has that changed?
guess you have to ask them Soudelour...i film them and interview them in their efforts to reconstruct their identity. Each have various reasons as to why they create what they do. Some model Micronesians as well as other island cultures. Some are merely creative based on their life in Guam. One thing they have in common is the use of performance art to preserve their indigenous language which is being lost .I commend them for that. Do you have any specific ideas you would suggest?
to looker68 yes there is try going to spain theres plenty bulalalala so hurry up and move there .para hagu chelu lenard malik chelu i bidadamu hu nae hau dankulu yan takilu na onru ti bai sangan na todo ham lau palu giya hami ni umagradesi i chechochomu para uma atbansa i kuturan i manchamori ya tungu chelu na siempre i man natati u matuna i hao put i rigalun maniainata ni kana malingu.biba maniamori. guahuha si chehlef gi simai
...there are a few groups that still dance Spanish dances. My experience with this particular group is that their emphasis is in continued search for historical information prior to the Spanish occupation..
The concern for many of us is that overwhelming support for Polynesian styled dances hampers the search for indigenous history and overshadows the preservation of Spanish heritage.Many appreciate these outside dances due to life experiences,however feel the balance of it's use to be in question.
Chamorros belong to two different heritages. Indigenous and Hispanic. I can appreciate the efforts of this group in defining our indigenous heritage and showcasing it at Pacific dance festivals. But is this movement now threatening our Hispanic identity? Are there any groups that perform our spanish dances at hispanic dance festivals? We are fortunate in that we can showcase our unique Chamorro culture to both the Pacific region as well as the Hispanic world.
tano y man Chamoru!
Hotpepper671 1 month ago
desde españa...BIBA CHAMORRO BIBA GUAM...BIBA LA HERENCIA ESPAÑOLA EN GUAM.. NO PIERDAN EL IDIOMA SAGRADO DE CHAMORRO ESPAÑOL.. UN ABRAZO A LOS CHAMORROS DESDE ESPAÑA
alvaroislascanarias 2 months ago
wow, there are a lot of big girls there, just like americans.
nenabunena 3 months ago
how can you preserve these dances and call them guams traditional dances if none of these copy cat guam dances were really made by the original indigenous ancestors of guam .and if there were real traditional guam dances im pretty sure they wont be very similar to polynesian dances.
KaNaKa5wuno 6 months ago
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MrWakarimashita 7 months ago
@MrWakarimashita ...common man or not, what difference does race, a name, or looks have to do with anything? You done anything of value lately?
waveriderz 7 months ago
@waveriderz Yep, I had an orgy with three Chamorritas. I guess that is of great value, isn't it? In any case, I just wanted to state that it is amusing to hear the Chamorro heritage from a non-native. Shame on the natives to have someone explain their culture by someone. That was my point, and nothing more. Would it be right for a Chamorro to explain the Filipino culture in the RPI? Ummmmm...
MrWakarimashita 7 months ago
@MrWakarimashita ...now how could one doubt the words of one of the finest minds in the Pacific. Am sure you've spent countless seconds on your research.
waveriderz 7 months ago
I Am A Proud Member Of The Group and Realize What Is Truly and Will Always Be Chamoru To Me ! The material taught To us Is Pure Research ! Our movements Symbolize Things Known To Our Ancestors ! The lyrics Taught to us is Called Fino' Haya The Language Before Any Type of contact From Outsiders ! I Feel Personally A Strong Connection While Using Out Ancient Language ! I Feel The Strength and The Presence Of My Ancestors !
lahenpontan90 7 months ago
Hafa Adai Taotao's. I just wanted to let you all know that coming from tne Do'gi Aguero Clan from Yona.. Im realizing just by reading all your comments how much I have to learn, discover and investigate. I was MOVED by the collaborations of all the Islands the United in this video event... I really appreciate this video and speaker... especially to the performers. Thank you Si Yu'us Ma'sse.
bjoaquinesq 10 months ago
AHHH i performd there with the PA'A TAOTAO TANO group..este si tudan eileen meno este si tudan frank rabon..SORRY my chammoro language cut LOL..we do.do stick dances we work with sticks for musical instruments..so ask a CHAMMORU person who has EXPERIENCE before judging nd writing stuffs you DONT know about..k -STARR-
guamanians671 11 months ago
guamanians people didn't do stick dance or all those things they do in dancing......my chamorro and social studies teacher said they only chant and sing.....
richyrik1 1 year ago
@3:05 what event are the chamorros performing at?
chamoruzorries 1 year ago
Not to start any fights but I have the upmost respect for every islander that has respect for us. Chamorros are not copy cats. We are not borrowing any styles of dance from any other cultures. As you can see by physical appearance, we are the same people as the Maori, Samoans, and Tongans. Guam has been around for thousands of years. People have migrated from Samoa, New Zealand, as well as Tonga. Before the Spanish occupation our people had its own dance that was similar to that of Samoan
CHAMORRObloodline 1 year ago
Ai adai..puru nai esti pa'go imitashun ginen Hawaii dzan Tahiti. Esta na'tsalek...estagi' nai pa'go na'ta, nui disquidon i man amko'.
Padesi sa' diretso.
MrRoadlesstraveled 1 year ago
hey i went with the delagation that year to samoa(:
it was really fun!
makoto 1 year ago
other islanders need to understand that our ancestors who opposed the Spanish presence were killed and the children were taken and placed into Catholic schools........ Our ancestors were forced into the Catholic and Spanish lifestyle.... IT IS OUR TIME TO TAKE BACK WHAT WE CAN AND TEACH OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS....... BIBA CHAMORU
halfcas 1 year ago
@halfcas Ironic that you use the phrase "BIBA CHAMORU". This phrase is TOTALLY SPANISH. Why does everyone think that the Spaniards killed the people of the lands that they colonized?This is exactly what the Americans want us to think. You need to do your research. The Spaniards did not commit genocide. True that the diseases arrived because of the Spaniards, but it was not used as a weapon by the Spaniards. The founders of the USA killed the natives. The Spaniards mixed and married instead
CHAM0RRITO 1 year ago
@CHAM0RRITO Take it from me, I am Chamorro studying and researching in Mexico City. I have learned much about CHAMORRO culture & history here in Mexico. So much of our written history is housed in national archives of Mexico. So much our our Chamorro culture has its origins here in Mexico. Obviously many of our foods too. Titiyas, tamales, atole, champurrado & guyuria among other foods. I am learning Guam history & culture from people that contributed to it. Our colonial brothers, the Mexicans.
CHAM0RRITO 1 year ago
@CHAM0RRITO i don't think anyone denies our common heritage. It is one of colonialism. Powerful countries motivated by a desire to possess new lands and riches. They "discovered" people in places who existed long before their arrival in these new lands. If you're really studying Guam's history then you would know that Guam's people existed long before the arrival of the Spanish in the 1500's.
waveriderz 4 months ago
@waveriderz Dont get me wrong. I do know that guams people existed before the spanish arrived. But if it were not for the spaniards, we would have ZERO knowledge of the culture that existed prior. The spanish kept very good records. The problem is that there no Chamorros that are taking the initiative to learn spanish so that they could decifer the spanish documents. In my research, i have not only learned how to speak spanish, but it has helped me tremendously to learn more Chamorro.
CHAM0RRITO 4 months ago
@CHAM0RRITO same thing in the phils. the spanish records kept a lot of records about prehispanic phils. in fact, our prehispanic writing is preserved only bec of spanish records. but we need filipino scholars to relearn spanish so we can translate & uncover these spanish records
nenabunena 3 months ago
@halfcas Dont base your views on the Spanish colonization of Guam on the American perspective. The Spaniards made alliances with the Chamorros in order to establish their presence in Guam. The land that was designated by Chamorro Chief Quipuha to build the first mission was an alliance made between the Chamorros and the Spaniards. True there were conflicts, but the Spanish could have easily shot and killed all the Chamorros in order to make Guam their own. USA wants us to forget that heritage.
CHAM0RRITO 1 year ago
I'm from California and half chamorro me and my family are part of a polynesian club that is mixed with every nationality i was watching the video about our origins,my daughter and son dance,and I drum but here our family keeps it traditional because thats how we wre raised, my grandmother raised me shes chamoru to the bone and she dont like american ways and yes too many of our people are turning fom our traditians
chamoguamblood 2 years ago
Chamoru history spans many many years and many many changes. Even the latte would be foreign to the first chamorus. Culture is always evolving and adapting. Celebrate our past yet embrace our identity today. There is much to draw from. There is much more to be created.
geckomon 2 years ago
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Chamorros and Refaluwasch, CNMI or Guahan...This is urgent! You need to watch "CNMI Descent for Self-Government & Indigenous Rights". I uploaded the videos. Spread to friends and families!
nesianboy 2 years ago
research is being done by those who see value in preserving Chamorro culture. Much of which is being lost in todays changing world. I merely report their activity. It is through their hard work and generosity that i have this to share with my family and others like you. There is quite a bit on the internet and i hope to be posting more. You could start there....
waveriderz 2 years ago
I was wondering if you had any knowledge of the original language, or the closest thing to it. I would REALLY love it if you tought people through videos or just some basics to get started. I cannot find any real source to learn it. Yet its the most important thing to keeping our peoples culture alive. I would really love it if you could share ANY words or phrases you have to offer... Hafa Adai =D
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
This is great what you have reseached on the traditional indigenous chamorros. I am so happy I can now share with my girls my island traditional roots through the remaking of the chamorro dances, songs, chants, etc. you have shared here with us. Thank you so much.
Islandgirl92900 2 years ago
and for the Spanish part! Yes, our dances are highly influenced by the spanish world, but what makes them unique is the Pacific Island Tropical Flare, some of the movement gestures held down from indigenious cultures that were preserved, similiar to other Pacific Islands and some of the South East Asian cultures like Phillipines and Indonesia. Both dances should be showcased at Pacfic Island festivals , like PIFA to show our culture!
jacrews9 2 years ago
theres argument on what lies under the ancient society. I think with costume, not custom...the clothing should be more similiar to what Magellen and the other European explorers documented when they arrived to Guam. Im sure the chants and dances are close enough to the stories of the ancient people, before the SPanish colonization but the clothing in this video looked too much like the Moari culture, which I believe wasn't close enough to the ancient chamorro dress. look @Chief Guada and Quipua
jacrews9 2 years ago
some clips in this video were shot at the Pacific Festival of the Arts,this time in American Samoa, and are labeled as such. Many island groups celebrate this event. As for tropical "flair", much of Guam's dance today was influenced by teachers,and a tour industry who chose Polynesian as a model for reconstruction.Why not Micronesian? There are many opinions and i commend anyone "actively" preserving their culture.San Diego's annual PIFA dances are mostly Polynesian. Has that changed?
waveriderz 2 years ago
still dont get it. i really think you should model from the micronesian culture after all guam is in micronesian.
soudelour 2 years ago
guess you have to ask them Soudelour...i film them and interview them in their efforts to reconstruct their identity. Each have various reasons as to why they create what they do. Some model Micronesians as well as other island cultures. Some are merely creative based on their life in Guam. One thing they have in common is the use of performance art to preserve their indigenous language which is being lost .I commend them for that. Do you have any specific ideas you would suggest?
waveriderz 2 years ago
to looker68 yes there is try going to spain theres plenty bulalalala so hurry up and move there .para hagu chelu lenard malik chelu i bidadamu hu nae hau dankulu yan takilu na onru ti bai sangan na todo ham lau palu giya hami ni umagradesi i chechochomu para uma atbansa i kuturan i manchamori ya tungu chelu na siempre i man natati u matuna i hao put i rigalun maniainata ni kana malingu.biba maniamori. guahuha si chehlef gi simai
TheFoolsArmy 2 years ago
...there are a few groups that still dance Spanish dances. My experience with this particular group is that their emphasis is in continued search for historical information prior to the Spanish occupation..
chamoruz 2 years ago
The concern for many of us is that overwhelming support for Polynesian styled dances hampers the search for indigenous history and overshadows the preservation of Spanish heritage.Many appreciate these outside dances due to life experiences,however feel the balance of it's use to be in question.
chamoruz 2 years ago
Chamorros belong to two different heritages. Indigenous and Hispanic. I can appreciate the efforts of this group in defining our indigenous heritage and showcasing it at Pacific dance festivals. But is this movement now threatening our Hispanic identity? Are there any groups that perform our spanish dances at hispanic dance festivals? We are fortunate in that we can showcase our unique Chamorro culture to both the Pacific region as well as the Hispanic world.
L00KER68 2 years ago