Naaim Haramein 21/45

[TwistedQuills]

@dbfan2scfan So, no reply in 2 weeks? Does that mean u realise you contradicted yourself and don't have a leg to stand on? Or are u just too chicken to return and attempt to defend your contradictory statements? Or don't have the maturity to accept that you were wrong?

[TwistedQuills]

@dbfan2scfan Now you're saying that a hologram isn't a fractal? Allow me to quote a comment of yours from a few days ago: "dbfan2scfan (3 days ago)

@TheBobathon

Lol everything VERY clearly does work in fractals. A hologram is a fractal." So, is a hologram a fractal, or not? Make your mind up! And you accuse TheBobathon of trolling? Puh-leaze

[TwistedQuills]

The part sort-of contains the whole, in the case of a fractal, anyway

[TwistedQuills]

@steeltable218 yeah, you got that right. The two are very loosely connected metaphorically, in that in both, the part contains the whole, but that's as far as it goes.

[TwistedQuills]

@TheBobathon If fractals are holograms, that means that the coastline of Britain is a hologram! Somehow, i doubt Benoit Mandelbrot would agree... The fractal/hologram thing is just another example of Haramein throwing around 'sexy' science words to look clever to his audience of science illiterati

[steeltable218]

@TwistedQuills I think this is a common misconception. The idea that a part of a hologram 'encodes' the whole pattern can be compared loosely to zooming into a Mandelbrot Set, and seeing the whole pattern recurring 'towards infinity'. Interestingly, if you take a piece of A4 international-sized paper (a root 2 rectangle) and keep folding it, it keeps its proportion: A5, A6 etc (all root 2 rectangles). But of course, this doesn't make a piece of A4 a fractal.

[TheBobathon]

I try to bring the discussion back from personal attacks to the subject of the video, and I get called a troll. I replied to @TwistedQuills to directly answer his question about holograms and fractals by saying that I agree, and it's flagged as spam.

Sweet - lovin your work, youtubers :-)

[TwistedQuills]

@TheBobathon Correct me if i'm wrong (and i just thought of this), but isn't one big difference between holograms and fractals that the former are linear, involving interference/superposition, and the latter are non-linear? The math side was always harder than the actual physics stuff for me!

[TwistedQuills]

@dbfan2scfan The helix is the true shape? Of what? What is it u think Haramein wasn't the first to discover?

[TwistedQuills]

Ahh yes, standing wave on a string with illumination. Very pretty. So what? Not anything you won't have seen (though maybe not with the same gadget) in A level physics, or maybe just GCSE physics. Nothing special or Earth-shattering. Natuarally, Haramein pretends the opposite. Would be fun to take a bunch of 17-year-old physics students to one of his lectures and watch then tear him a new one.. Bahahahahaha

[dbfan2scfan]

@TwistedQuills

He is not the first to figure out that the wave was just the two dimensional analogy of the true shape, a helix.

[RichHu]

Holograms are fractal. You said that holograms are not a good expression of the universe.

[TheBobathon]

@RichHu Some current models of the Universe are holographic, but holograms are not fractal. Not at all.

Approximations to fractals can be found in the Universe in a variety of places, but that doesn't mean the Universe is a fractal - it very clearly isn't.

[dbfan2scfan]

@TheBobathon

Lol everything VERY clearly does work in fractals. A hologram is a fractal. To reconstruct the whole image, all you need is a piece of information from that hologram.

[TheBobathon]

@dbfan2scfan Lol everything VERY clearly is a type of fruit. A pomegranate is a type of fruit. Therefore EVERYTHING is a type of fruit.

Er...

[dbfan2scfan]

@TheBobathon

I should have separated the two statements into separate paragraphs. You misunderstood, I was replying to two different things, not implying that my first statement was reasoning for my second.

A hologram is a representation of fractal because you can construct the whole hologram even if you only have information for part of it.

[TheBobathon]

@dbfan2scfan that doesn't mean it's a fractal. Find out what a fractal is.

[dbfan2scfan]

@TheBobathon

I know what a fractal is bud. So does he, and you know what he means when he calls it a fractal. You're trying to find something negative to say about him because you don't like that his theories include taboo subjects from the depths of the ever so scary spiritual topics.

[TheBobathon]

@dbfan2scfan a hologram is not a fractal. And now you're inventing intentions for me as well as inventing your own meanings for words.

[dbfan2scfan]

@TheBobathon

I'm taking educated guesses. You're pushing the common 'anything spiritual must be nonsense' agenda I see all day everyday.

A hologram is not a fractal just as much as a dvd is not a video. You can take the iron pole out of your backside anytime you want. No one is forcing you to sit on it everyday you wake up

rofl.

[TheBobathon]

@dbfan2scfan Educated guesses? Why not find out? Seriously, man. Finding out is so underrated.

Especially - strangely enough - among Haramein fans.

I'm not pushing any agenda, just telling you that a hologram is not a fractal because it's not. Doesn't matter what your agenda is, it still won't be a fractal. If you prefer to guess and then lecture other people with your guesses, that's up to you. Seems a bit silly.

[dbfan2scfan]

@TheBobathon

Did a plank fall out from your bridge or somethin'? You havin bad day? Gotta go troll'n to make yourself feel better?

The only way I can find out your intentions is to guess them based on the evidence you provided me with in your posts (or ask you what they are, an unreliable method). How else should I determine them out bud, I'm really really curious to hear this explanation?

You're a troll. admitting you're a troll is the first step.

I'm laughing my ass off at this.

[TheBobathon]

@dbfan2scfan I'm not sure why you keep trying to guess my intentions, or why you insist on telling me all about your fantasy version of me. It's a bit creepy.

I came here to discuss fractals or any other aspect of mathematics or physics; and I'll discuss it with anyone who's interested in the process of honest investigation and getting at the truth of stuff.

If you prefer guessing and making it up, that's up to you.

[dbfan2scfan]

@TheBobathon

I love it when kids have to change the subject because they can't keep up.

Let's see what we've got here, someone who's spiritually ignorant, someone who's trolling, and someone who's full of their self.

All based on the evidence you've left me in your posts.

My guesses? It's called developing a hypothesis, it's what scientists do every day.

You have no intention of having a discussion, that's why you're telling me my bath water isn't a mirror.

Funny troll losing is funny.

[steeltable218]

@dbfan2scfan Good Lord man, Bob's not a troll, he's just addressing your comments perfectly politely, objectively and you're getting positively abusive... and you call anyone who disagrees with you (including me) 'spiritually ignorant'?! Good Lord, your lack of self-awareness, sir... get a hold of yourself.

[dbfan2scfan]

@steeltable218

Bob was telling me a hologram was not a fractal...no kidding. Everyone watching the video, including Bob, understood that Hara was not literally calling a hologram a fractal.

Sounds like a troll to me. I thought he would like to see how it feels to get trolled.

[TheBobathon]

@dbfan2scfan P.S. a hologram isn't a fractal

[TheBobathon]

If you have horizontal standing waves and vertical standing waves, and they're out of phase, there will always be an element of circular polarisation in the wave. See watch?v=J4FEKWuXp1U

It's the same as a skipping rope, only faster.

(A skipping rope isn't a quantised vortex either.)

[tudoralexe]

wow, i could play with that toy for hours.

[TheBobathon]

He makes a normal standing wave, and calls it 3D quantised vortex! They're not quanta. They're not particles. What's with the histrionic language?

It's just a standing wave on a string. :)

[dakamalu]

@TheBobathon

Do normal standing waves rely on a toy that makes them circulate? I have the toy. It is not a NORMAL standing wave, but it is a standing wave. Further, they are definitely quantized. Get a bugle and try to blow a note that will not setup the standing wave pattern in the horn!

[TheBobathon]

@dakamalu looks pretty normal to me. Standing waves come in discrete frequencies, that's all. It's cool, but it's not particle physics or quantum mechanics. This guy is seriously confused. (Or deliberately misleading. Or both.)

[Breinstein99]

@TheBobathon You have to realize that he is speaking to a bunch of people who probably don't know squadoosh about quantum mechanics. I believe what he's saying is that as particles move through spacetime, in this sprial/vortex motion, it creates the wave-particle duality effect, therefore the particle is the wave. Maybe I'm way off too, but a lot of what he says seems very intuitive and logical, while the the current view of quantum physics, as we all know, is absurdly unintuitive and illogical

[TheBobathon]

@Breinstein99 I can believe that what he says may seem intuitive and logical to someone who hasn't been there, who hasn't actually got down and seen what nature is like at the quantum level, how it behaves.

But, you know, plenty of people have. Plenty of people have worked with these quantum critters. We get to know them. We get to see and feel how strange nature is at this level.

Quantum physics may seem illogical to you if you've never been there. For those who have, it tells it like it is.

[Breinstein99]

@TheBobathon From what I hear, it seems strange and illogical to everyone who is taught it. Einstein even hated it and tried to go a different route.

I can understand how people who have spent their lives trying to make sense of quantum theory might be offended by his claims. Besides I wouldn't expect a quantum theorist to accept his theories as intuitive, they threw intuition out the window years ago.

But I am no scientist, just a mere philosopher.

[TheBobathon]

@Breinstein99 Many more people have been taught it than have come to understand it. I'm sorry to hear you'd rather just make your decisions based on what some people who never managed to come to grips with it felt after their classes. Do such people work successfully with atoms, semiconductors, superfluids? Of course not! They didn't get it.

QM has its own extremely precise logic, which becomes intuitive with practice.

You can learn it: watch?v=0Eeuqh9QfNI

Or you can pre-judge from ignorance.

[Breinstein99]

@TheBobathon touche, and I humble myself to all those who do understand it

[TheBobathon]

@Breinstein99 ok, thanks :)

It's really learnable, though, with a bit of patience... it wouldn't be beyond you.

We do need more philosophers to tackle it properly, to come at it from a deep understanding of the theory, to challenge it, to explore the implications of it, expose flaws in the standard interpretations, etc.

There are some really profound questions in there. it's well worth a dig if you have an inquisitive mind...

[TheBobathon]

@Breinstein99 Listening to him is like listening to someone talking about your brother when you can see they've never met them. It's awful. And laughable.

And you know that other people believe him because they don't know any better.

You won't find a single person who's worked with any kind of quantum system who says his take on it 'feels intuitive'. Try and find one! They're the ones to ask.

Nature isn't there to satisfy intuitions, it surprises and unsettles. Don't settle for this. It's pap.

[nunezger]

@TheBobathon its not a normal standing wave because it is rotating. normal standing waves just oscillate back and forth in one direction.

[nunezger]

@TheBobathon its not a normal standing wave because it is rotating.

[nunezger]

@TheBobathon it is not a normal standing wave because its rotating.

[themilanxperience]

@TheBobathon

hes looking at things from a different perspective. When he talk about throwing a rock in a pond you would call it just a ripple but he draws this whole theory from it. It may even be completely false but at least he approaches things from a new perspective than saying "thats JUST a standing wave, we know everything there is to know about that". The current prevailing theory of the universe is that its like an expanding balloon with pennies glued to the surface. Its called a MODEL

[themilanxperience]

@TheBobathon

hes looking at things from a different perspective. When he talks about throwing a rock in a pond you would call it just a ripple but he draws this whole theory from it. It may even be completely false but at least he approaches things from a new perspective than saying "thats JUST a standing wave, we know everything there is to know about that". The current prevailing theory of the universe is that its like an expanding balloon with pennies glued to the surface. Its called a MODEL

[DrBerninski]

@themilanxperience The current prevailing theory of the universe is not a balloon with pennies glued to it. That is a picture in a text book. It's not a model. The model is in there too - I have the book.

Haramein isn't approaching from a new perspective. He's doing exactly what people like him have done since time immemorial. Use impressive words and fancy demos, make like you're authoritative, avoid people who understand the subject, focus on the gullible, and sell. It's not new, my friend.

[HappyBirthdaySANTA]

@TheBobathon exactly if you take the two arms away the string becomes just a piece of string... the brain is just trying to interpret what it's seeing..... it's simple "charged photons"........

[OlyMoreBetter]

String It Toy...

goldenspiral (dot )com (slash) Party_Toys_main (dot) htm

[Subspace4d]

The sphere make a curve of sqrt(R²-x²) and the the sine wave makes the function of sin(x), which is not the same function at all. Its true thats its projection but its not same methmatically.

[Cloudy2Clear]

Helps explain the double slit experiments. The wavespirals contain/create particles due to the process of the spirals. The wavespiralparticle (wasp) upon passing the 2 slits form an interference pattern with changed wasp length/size. Anyone ever figure out why observation (watching OR filming) the the experiment changes the outcome? Trying to dovetail the info because this all shows that WE INDIVIDUALS have some control over the "ether" wasp & the incredible power (dark matter?) around/in us.

[5ben11yax]

because to 'watch' you have to collapse the wave with a light (photon electron coupling) so its not 'consciousness' its photons

[ironmaiden0419]

@5ben11yax your a moron! you dont even know what your talking about! lol pathetic

[5ben11yax]

peace bro

youtube (dot ) com/user/nickharvey7#p/u/2/jmj­J2OEB5oM

[mandible36]

at 4:33 it looks like a d-orbital.  Maybe this will relate to electron arrangements

[chrizo79]

Nassim has a specially trained Dog that can turn lights off.... listen @ 1:17. On a serious note this guy has some impressive things to say so far and looking forward to seeing the rest of the parts!.

[Anubisrunner08]

Lmao.. funny.. didnt notice that till i read your comment and watched it again

[LovingFilmmaker]

Nassim Haramein! You demonstrated for us how Telepathy and Shared Thought Forms work. All this from a string! Such pretty rainbows! When people make love, they blend energies in and all around their bodies. Nassim, do you know Nikola Tesla? Perhaps you were one of his Guardian Angels or Spirit Guides. Are you associated with Archangel Gabriel. No doubt you've figured out that MUSIC creates waves forms similar to your Dancing Rainbow String!

[RobertaPeck]

This visualization is very educational

[Xerond]

Wow, I can't believe I've seen this before. My friend has this very same light toy, and interestingly enough I have both tripped and rolled while watching it...

...it has an amazingly intrinsic resonance when watched. Definitely interesting.

[SomeUser9753]

I can't resist making a comment. I disagree it's a spiral. To be precise it's a 3-D wave - a result of, as you said, spheres colliding. Not yet a spiral, from geometric point of view :). But when you bring time in the game, and cause it takes time for the water wave to spread (that's our world) it spreads like a spiral - and you drive surf (if you can of-course, I stll haven't tried). But having time is a whole new ball game, and if it's a spiral it's continious, which makes every moment unique

[SomeUser9753]

And it's unique in the time/space just like in a computer system, because we can draw one picture twice on the screen, but the tact generator is time dependent (see the time will be different). And the quantum computer should manipulate what you call time, and you can create 2 things at the same point at the same time, or one thing at the same time at 2 different places. Aha time does not exist I guess. We need to apply the same technique to time waves, and so on, and so on..

[SomeUser9753]

And so on, using the rule of the right hand making spirals of spirals ... That's the whole thing. I'm gonna ask you a simple question, hoe big is the universe ? That's an easy one, it depends from what point of view, see it's just one point (black hole as you call it). But how many worlds are out there ? See, if I knew the phone of THIS that made it, I would call to ask. We can get some numbers out of the geometry of the universe, but the question is why is it this way, could it be different ?

[tudoralexe]

@SomeUser9753 it is just a 3d wave just because its not travelling though time. and its not free.

[HealingPartnership]

Tessa - is this the gizmo that you have? I MSUT now get one!

[ntelekt1]

Whats the name of that machine? Also, what force does Harameins hands represent? Needs explaining... to keep from asking what Haramein himself asked earlier, "Whose that guy!?"

[9unner22]

His hands relate to the density of the vacuum.

[ntelekt1]

Ah! Thanks!

[BecauseItRocks]

Answered my question too