@Crusher8000 We have not sir! The Zeitgeist Movement is moving humanity towards this direction! Search: "Zeitgeist: The Summary" and if you enjoy that, search "Zeitgeist: Addendum"
For the love of man..."sir" can you and others of similar tastes STOP relating Carl Sagan to all this New Age and NWO shit? How long will it take for you to understand that this man was against all you noobheads.
@VonManavis The Zeitgeist Movement is predicated on bringing about an economic system that puts the meeting of ALL people and ALL the world's species and ALL the world's natural environment as paramount.
Carl Sagan famously quoted "a new consciousness is emerging that see's the Earth as a single organism, and realises, that an organism at war with itself, is doomed. We are one planet." This is the basic philosophy of the movement?
Just because he made this comparison, doesn't mean he is introducing your lousy movement to the world. And he never spoke of different economic systems, but rather solar systems so cut the crap please, start getting truly educated and leave generalizations aside.
Sagan by way of the "Cosmos" series became one of the most influentual educators of the late 20th century. So many of us who grew up in the 1970's were informed by his large view of science and the universe that in a certain way we are a part of the "Sagan Legacy" for lack of a better phrase. He was a romanticist, romantic in his faith in human reason. Blessings to his family and to Ann Druyan for all they have taught us.
Its a human travesty that men like Carl arent directing the course of the planet and human affairs as much as, lets say, an International banking cartel, or a clique of obscenely wealthy, powerful and ultimately very short sighted men. You just have to look at recent human history to see somethings very wrong. And while half the planet chooses to believe its the work of the devil, I personally believe unelected, powerful and wealthy men, guide and have been guiding human affairs for some time.
I'm amazed anybody would NOT like it. Sagan was the best, and his legacy continues through Ms. Druyan and others whom he inspired. What a gift he was to mankind. And what a loss: he died too young.
Sagan is being disliked because he's a man with curiosity. Because he wants to know how, and why.
140 people are probably of the mindset that God watches them masturbate. They think God wants us to ignore our surroundings. I mean what if we discovered something contrary to scripture. That would be very inconvenient. Those pesky scientists have already discovered the earth is round. God may very well exist. But to me hes nothing like the God in the major religions holy books.
@Aladoniss God is eternal, no begining and no end. Atheism may be a form of Aspergers Syndrome- an inability to comprehend complex concepts such as God.
Your point lacks distinguishment, and is beyond ignorance. Please, don't keep making such claims of certainty, it confuses people and makes you and others look stupid.
@Fastlan3 God is eternal, no begining and no end. Atheism may be a form of Aspergers Syndrome- an inability to comprehend complex concepts such as God. Feel free to look into it on your own.
@Fastlan3 Another symptom of aspergers syndrome is rude behavior toward total strangers- yet another reason that atheism is a form of aspergers syndrome. Thanks for providing evidence!
If you actually understand the subject and all which it entails, you might considered yourself to have aspergers syndrome. At least to the degree you are taking it... i.e. thinking you can recognize a person has it, because a few comments.
The diagnostics for the symptoms are tremendously exhausting, using clinical judgment with (ADI-R), a semistructured interview and (ADOS) when the person is a child.
My comment was objective towards your ignorance, but you don't seem to understand.
@Fastlan3 Again- you are demonstrating symptoms by continuing to attempt to belittle someone you do not know- strengthening the case that you suffer from Aspergers Syndrome- just like alot of other atheists. Your posts are evidence against you- please, keep posting:)
@RawryMcRawr I believe that you may suffer from Aspergers Syndrome. You attempt to imsult someone you do not know on a subject you do not understand. Atheism may very well be a form of autism in the Aspergers family. The numbers, facts and research are pointing this way more and more everyday!
@Ebrainiac1 I believe that you may suffer from Aspergers Syndrome. You attempt to insult someone you do not know on a subject you do not understand. Atheism may very well be a form of autism in the Aspergers family. The numbers, facts and research are pointing this way more and more everyday!
@moonlightbateman the notion that an theological belief such as Athiesm can be related to Aspergers Syndrome is like saying being a Christian is to suffer from HIV. Neither are correct in any way, shape, or form. IF there is a single "god" the likelyhood of it being the christian god is very low. Christians have simply misunderstood a short story for relating celestial movements. The son of god wasnt born on December 25th, the SUN, or SUN GOD is "reborn" on December 25th.
@dylandestroy666 Incorrect- Read "The Irrational Atheist" and Wired magazines article linking Atheism with Aspergers Syndrome. Sir Roger Penrose calculated the possibility of an accidental or unintentional existance as 1 in 10 to the 123rd power...making atheism a mathematical impossibility. Thus atheism is irrational, illogical and impossible. A fairytale claiming that something came from nothing. Hope that helps:)
@Achenar12 Saw the original, its already dated:) Read "The Irrational Atheist" and Wired magazines article linking Atheism with Aspergers Syndrome. Sir Roger Penrose calculated the possibility of an accidental or unintentional existance as 1 in 10 to the 123rd power...making atheism a mathematical impossibility. Thus atheism is irrational, illogical and impossible. A fairytale claiming that something came from nothing. Hope that helps:)
@Achenar12 Like you, its already dated:) Read "The Irrational Atheist" and Wired magazines article linking Atheism with Aspergers Syndrome. Sir Roger Penrose calculated the possibility of an accidental or unintentional existance as 1 in 10 to the 123rd power...making atheism a mathematical impossibility. Thus atheism is irrational, illogical and impossible. A fairytale claiming that something came from nothing. Hope that helps:)
@moonlightbateman since when did atheists believe something came from nothing? I thought thats what religious people believed in when they say all animals were all created fully formed one day by a deity who apparently comes from nothing but itself.
@tailsmilesprower24 "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing - is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice."
Richard Dawkins
Atheism is the belief in nothing, something coming from nothing is a scientific impossibility.
"When you eliminate the impossible, what remains is not only possible, but probable"- Michio Kaku
@tailsmilesprower24 "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing - is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice."
Richard Dawkins. Atheism is the belief in nothing, something coming from nothing is a scientific impossibility.
"When you eliminate the impossible, what remains is not only possible, but probable"- Michio Kaku
@RawryMcRawr I believe that you may suffer from Aspergers Syndrome. You attempt to imsult someone you do not know on a subject you do not understand. Atheism may very well be a form of autism in the Aspergers family. The numbers, facts and research are pointing this way more and more everyday!
Mr. Sagan is right, we must CHOOSE LIFE instead of neglecting our earth and reaching a point where we perish. WE ALL MUST Choose life and do whatever we can to save our planet, by using our technology to carry us to the stars and planets and a whole lot more to protect our enviroment, use it to correctly to clean up the enviroment. No more usage in a negative way.
I don't understand. 10 years after would have been the late 80's, long before the world wide web and long before internet was known to the average person.
@christo930 There was another recap, after sagans own 10 year recap. I suspect the second recap was after sagans death actually, maybe from a DVD re-release?
@DopeMcDoperson Yeah, it only got one season but it was great. I think Hulu has them posted, or at least used to. I wasn't alive for this so I'm glad Hulu did that. Watched the whole series. Carl Sagan is my hero.
Sorry,but our world rest in the hands of the 200 elites that mearly dont want all of us to survive because of their greed for power and world domination,as much as i wish this wasnt true,look at the facts,it doesnt take a scientist to see what is going on,trying to thin out the population so they can controll it,and they will succeed,but not without destroying a large part of the world on the way.Know their are people that think if we cant have it than nobody can!and thats on both sides!
@semiLivedj You are not even literate, how can you think you know what you are saying has any credibility. If you were able to use grammar and punctuation correctly you would have a lot more credibility, your 2nd grade education is showing.
@cmug666 wow,didnt know my second grade english teacher Mrs Crum was reading this,and who said i wanted to be creditable! Sounds to me,your just a goofdick! If you cant understand what im saying,than dont read it,Goofdick!
@AmericanMale1953 Not to take ANYTHING away from Carl Sagan, who was especially genius at explaining through analogies and to the lay person, I would think that Steven Hawking is probably the Einstein of our era.
A miracle of exploding star-stuff gaining intelligence and love for one-another.
You did not need fairy tales to appreciate and honor our story.
Respect and love was enough.
The "Pale Blue Dot" goes on without you.
But I, as an intelligent Earthling, miss the poetic way you explained our human history, and the history of the universe, so we may be empowered to make this "Stat stuff", take care to survive.
Carl Sagan is one of my heroes. I'm so glad he didn't live long enough to see what we've become...Sarah Palin, Bush, 9/11, creationism on the rise again...yeesh.
@RestInPieces777 No! He of all people would have held to hope and would have spent his energy on promoting rationality rather than superstition and paranoia.
Failed him? Who is he for us to fail him? If you actually took his words to heart you would realize that we haven't failed him for he never wanted to be placed in the position of worship.
"The Irrational Atheist"Atheist regimes killed over 150 million people in the last 100 years. Atheists are 4 times more likely to commit crimes and be incarcerated.
Theist scientists tend to have higher IQ's than atheists. Atheists are more likely to suffer from mental illness, depression and suicide. Most Doctors, Presidents,Astronauts are believers. America, a primarily Christian nation has 28% more scientific output than atheistic France.Atheism may be a form of aspergers syndrome
I'm sorry, did you just accuse a stance on theology as being the result of a mental illness? How dare you? I am quite empathetic and able of socializing yet I am Agnostic-Atheist.
Also, your statistics fail to really make a point. Because the nation is predominantly Christian it will have Christians obviously inhabit a variety of high positions as well as nearly 85% of inmates being Christian with closer to 18% being unaffiliated to any religions. And France is also as secular as America.
@DamienZshadow Atheism may be a form of Aspergers Syndrome, an inability to comprehend complex ideas like God. Atheists also tend to have higher levels of isolation, social disorders, depression and higher rates of suicide. British prison statistics show that atheists make up roughly 15% of the British population, but 32% of the British prison population.
@moonlightbateman It can be rather taxing on the rational mind to live in a theistic dominated environment. Many atheists are isolated and depressed because people shun them for being open about their beliefs. That is personally not the case with me but I refrain from mentioning it to my Muslim family because I know their beliefs would make living a half decent life with them near to impossible.
Family aside, however, I am (as my girlfriend likes to say) a "social butterfly". I love people.
@DamienZshadow Then you would be the exception, except for being alienated from your own family, which must be heart breaking. The family is the most basic social structure and since you are alienated from yours, you see my point. Atheists are the self described "least trusted minority" making up only 2.3% of the population.
@moonlightbateman Thanks for sympathizing but I just don't mention it to them.
Now to say we are least trusted stems from the idea that we don't adhere God's written laws in the ten commandments. This is a flawed idea in and of itself because we're only the ones who admit we don't. Who's to say that any other religious person you know isn't just lying? You can't, so everyone is equally untrustworthy, we just have to find a common mutual respect for one another. Empathy, it drives my honesty.
@DamienZshadow Atheism is amoral- so to be a true atheist you have to be immune to concepts like good and evil. In an amoral system like atheism- murder, rape and genocide are simply actions, like eating or sleeping. As the philospoher said "If God is not, all is permissable". This is one reason atheism has failed to take hold- peole see good and evil everyday...and know the difference.
@moonlightbateman Murder, rape, and genocide are verbs, thanks for stating the obvious. Even Atheists can see those "evil" acts are not conducive to a civilized society that would benefit everyone who worked together. I don't need a parental figure to tell me that if I hurt someone, they're either going to hurt me back or someone else will. Further more my morals are driven by empathy for one another because we are social organisms evolved to naturally put ourselves in someone's shoes, kinship.
@DamienZshadow Atheism is amoral- so to be a true atheist you have to be immune to concepts like good and evil. In an amoral system like atheism- murder, rape and genocide are simply actions, like eating or sleeping. As the philospoher said "If God is not, all is permissable". This is one reason atheism has failed to take hold- peole see good and evil everyday...and know the difference.
@moonlightbateman Murder, rape, and genocide are verbs, thanks for stating the obvious. Even Atheists can see those "evil" acts are not conducive to a civilized society that would benefit everyone who worked together. I don't need a parental figure to tell me that if I hurt someone, they're either going to hurt me back or someone else will. Further more my morals are driven by empathy for one another because we are social organisms evolved to naturally put ourselves in someone's shoes, kinship
@DamienZshadow Actually atheists have used murder, rape, eugenics and genocide in a misguided attempt to "improve" civilization. The Stalinist purges, Mao's China and the Killing Fields of Cambodia are all examples of a moral system devoid of morality. In an amoral system like atheism, any action can be justified if it is viewed as beneficial to society.
@moonlightbateman Shall I resort to the same predictable fallback of calling out people associated to you by a simple concept or belief system? A good friend of mine once told me not to judge a core belief on the people who claim to follow it, including the imperialistic missionaries who destroyed cultural integrity, Muslim extremist terrorists, and many others have used the name of God to justify their violent actions regardless of the better intentions of the core belief.
@DamienZshadow Surely you cant seriously be comparing the millions and millions murdered at the hands of atheist regimes in living memory to sunday school teachers and missionaries, can you? Atheisms body count dwarfs that of any religious conflict ...ever!That is why atheism looks so irrational to sane people, comparisons like thay make absolutely no sense. Ridiculous.
@moonlightbateman Not the point. I was just saying that you wouldn't want to be tied to people like the Westboro Baptist Church anymore than I would want to be tied to Stallin only based on sharing one outlook. Atheism is a broad umbrella to throw any number of people under. You don't believe in fairies anymore than a rapist might, should we treat the two of you as one? Unlike Atheism, Christianity has core principles to tie ill behavior to others but I don't need to resort to that as you did.
@DamienZshadow Not my point, I was simply stating that as the Soviet dissident philosopher stated "If God is not, all is permissable",atheism is amoral, in fact amorality is a tenant of atheism. Good and evil do not and cannot exist in an amoral system, thus atheistic systems are free to define behaviors, any behaviors as beneficial- murder, rape,eugenics and genocide included :)
@moonlightbateman Agreed, we must define our own behaviors. Why do you think the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and other oppressive regimes have died. Because people were fed up over being mistreated and abused. Naturally, if a nation's people are oppressed, the foundation of that nation is unstable and not likely to last. As humanity, I feel we shouldn't rely on stagnant old predetermined laws but figure out for ourselves what is fair and empathetic to the common man to show true maturity.
@DamienZshadow A mature worldview includes using practices that work and crediting the historical sources of those practices. Religion has advanced and continues to advance the human condition by providing inspiration, motivation and real contributions in every area of human endeavor, from social work to human rights to ending hunger and promoting medical breakthroughs. That is simply a fact.
@moonlightbateman Wonderful, let's have everyone perform positive acts for all the wrong reasons. Whether someone fears hell or seeks paradise, it would seem their only reason for doing "good" is because of an authoritative figure head. I find more maturity and genuine empathy in those who seek to help others without the guilt or need to praise a cosmic father figure. I see humanity taking big steps in growing to do the right thing because they care, not because someone threatens/rewards them.
@DamienZshadow Again, atheism is amoral- so right and wrong do not exist to you...remember? Atheism has no compass to measure right and wrong, it is too busy denying they exist (lol). So please stop trying to define good and evil while your world view denies they exist:)
@moonlightbateman Good/evil don't exist but right/wrong refers to correctness. It would be wrong, against maturity in our society, to only perform beneficial acts for other people only because they are being threatened or rewarded. We say a child isn't mature when they only do what they're told because they are punished or rewarded. When a child realizes empathy and doesn't hit another because he feels for them or knows it will benefit him in the long run to get along, then they have matured.
@DamienZshadow Thank you for admitting that you do not believe in good or evil, that is a pretty good indicator as to your world view and state of maturity. Unfortunately, you can no longer refer to any action as good or evil and you have shown the world that you are without a moral compass, a tool that every human being attains around age 4. "If God is not, all is permissable" seems to be your take on morality, so if genocide, rape and murder benefit society, then they are acceptable...right?
@moonlightbateman You completely ignored everything I said. Morals and ethics define as rules of conduct with respect to a particular class of human actions or cultures. Not good and evil, predetermined stagnate laws that never amend to the ever changing ideals of the present cultures' ethics. Moreover, other social animals also evolved to show similar behaviors of empathy that are conducive to existing in a civilized society. Treats others as you would like to be treated, simple and beneficial.
@DamienZshadow "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" Sound familiar, it describes what you just wrote. Obviously you subscribe to Christian morality, yet you deny the source of that morality. It makes you look incredibly irrational and slightly unstable. If Christianity is so stagnate, why do you still follow its moral guidelines?
It's not christian moral to begin with. There were people living in harmony and happiness before christ? in south america? in australia? Just because you delusional assholes hijacked morale and called it your own doesn't make it a legitimate claim, does it. It just shows you with your pants down again.
@heyawhaw Atheism may be a form of aspergers syndrome, an inability to comprehend complex ideas, like God. Atheism is a lie, atheism is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is illogical, irrational and impossible. Atheism is a delusional lie
@heyawhaw Took the words right out of my mouth. The idea of kinship and altruism is not a 2000 year old concept. The revolutionary idea of working together and helping others so that they may help you is an age old one that predates many civilizations, it's why we're social organisms. Primates even show this behavior. Humans naturally have this desire to empathize and project themselves into other perspectives.
But next time, please don't resort to name calling. Thanks for the input!
@heyawhaw Heh, it's okay. I don't mean to put you down for your efforts, it's just that name calling isn't conducive to a civilized debate between two or more respecting opponents. While I may not disagree with him on many accounts, it makes for a more fruitful discussion if both parties show a little grace and understanding. Just like us, he is honestly only trying to argue what he believes is right and best for everyone, myself included. And for his noble intentions, I respect him.
Yeah, I know you're right about all of it, and normally I avoid name calling. The thing is that the people preaching turning the other cheek has a hard time trying to put the money where their mouths are. I know they drag me down and beat me with experience ... but I'm only human and they have their god on their side ... they say ... ; ) anyway, thanx for the reallity check!
@heyawhaw Atheism may be a form of aspergers syndrome, an inability to comprehend complex ideas, like God. Atheism is a lie, atheism is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is illogical, irrational and impossible. Atheism is a delusional lie
@heyawhaw Atheism may be a form of aspergers syndrome, an inability to comprehend complex ideas, like God. Atheism is a lie, atheism is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is illogical, irrational and impossible. Atheism is a delusional lie
@moonlightbateman And God is hardly a complex idea. On the contrary, to sum up all gaps of unknown knowledge with God is a rather simple but shoddy patch up job to our overall understanding. When a theist may say that it may be impossible for something not to have a creator, they are overlooking the paradox of the origin of their creator. God also could not have come from nothing, he must have a creator and so on. To stay roughly on topic and quote Carl Sagan, "why not skip a step?"
@DamienZshadow One part of God that you and other atheists fail to comprehend is that God is eternal- no begining or end, so you have just shown that you cannot comprehend a rather complex idea :)
@moonlightbateman Can I ask you if this God is conscious or self aware? To be timeless and eternal, God must experience all temporal events in this world at the same time (past, present, future) and in turn must know the future already and set in motion all of the events and actions to take place creating the illusion of free will since individuals in temporal time would assume it is unpredictable. If he did that, isn't he then responsible for all our sins, doubts, and atheism?
@DamienZshadow Since humans are conscious and self aware, we know that higher forms of intelligence are capable this. We also know that higher intelligences require intellectual stimulation and creating a sterile world would be...boring. Cold is a lack of heat, darkness is a lack of light and evil is a lack of God. The beauty of free will is that God sent solutions to all those problems (sin,doubt and atheism)- you and I, you simply have to choose whether or not you will do anything about it.
@moonlightbateman That's a bit of a cop out. You claim to use logic and reasoning to deduce that the universe must have a creator by demonstrating how nothing can beget everything yet you fail to apply those same forms of deduction to the entity that you claim created this world. What backing does this concept have other than being above and beyond our understanding and physics? Does that not place your God in the realm of essentially being virtually whatever the imagination can conceive?
@DamienZshadow Not at all,physics tells us all sorts of things are eternal and infinite (mathematical numbers for instance). The limiting factor is the human capacity to comprehend. For instance, you mistakenly apply an evolutionary concept- going from simple to compex, to a concept that does not involve evolution. Energy and information are 2 known examples of complex and eternal forces,( both are also aspects of God), both are extremely complex and niether have evolved according to physics.
@moonlightbateman Those mathematical principles are abstractions of concepts to remove any dependence on real world objects which it might have originally been connected to and generalizing it so it has wider applications for other abstract phenomena. It proves nothing else which is real to be infinite.
Everything has been shown to change over time from simple to complex, even abiotic things. Stars fuse hydrogen atoms into heavier elements. All fundamental forces can be traced back and unified.
@DamienZshadow So you have a unified theory of everything? (lol) Call the Nobel Committee!Too funny. Let me help you out here, according to the laws of thermodynamics- "Everything" tends toward entropy- not complexity. Thats why there are cemetaries (people die), black holes (stars die) and junk yards(technology dies). Hope that helps!
@moonlightbateman No not yet but evidence points to there being one. Already three of the four fundamental forces have been. This universe may very well have achieved entropy upon its initial formation but gravity and the other forces formed out of the cosmic soup to not only bind and hold together molecules but compress them into stars. Eventually everything will fall to dark energy and entropy but in the mean time the forces still at large will continue to increase the complexity of the world.
@DamienZshadow So you believe in a theory of everything. a governing set of laws that rule everything. Laws require a law giver, patterns such as those you listed are obviously not simple,random or accidental. Most rational people see them as the work of a mind, a mind that orders and gives reason to all of existance. Intelligence recognises other intelligence at work. Theism posits existance is intentional, the work of God. Atheism seeks to deny this based on no evidence in favor of...nothing
@moonlightbateman Again, you're jumping to conclusions. For all we know, you may be right but you're not applying the rigors of science to a systematic approach of evidence and testing. Over time you may be proven to be correct but as it stands there isn't enough testable evidence to prove that. Another possibility is that this universe is one of many in a multiverse with random different variations in laws and matter making us not so special.
@DamienZshadow Not at all, I believe that the universe/multiverse is an intentional construct that allows for varied life. It shows evidence of order, planning, maintenance, laws and intent. All are scientific manifestations of intelligence (God). The alternative is that this is unintentional, accidental and random, created by, maintained by, ordered by...nothing.
@moonlightbateman No, it shows we don't know enough. We have but one example, our one Earth, in one briefly studied solar system. Our universe is just so vast that at the moment, who's to say that life isn't varied and spontaneous enough to have civilizations like our own or different arise by chance and many other favorable environments. Given a multiverse, who's to say that out of the billions of different outcomes, ours happens to have the right specifications? Insufficient data is my answer.
@DamienZshadow So you choose accident (chance is the word you chose). You do know that the "chances" against that are astronomical and that no one has ever witnessed anything like that dont you? You put your faith in a model based on...nothing. Like most irrational atheists, you choose any answer, no matter how impossible, except the most obvious answer...God. My guess is that you cant find God for the same reason a criminal cant find a cop (lol).
@moonlightbateman No...I choose insufficient data, like a true scientist would. And don't belittle "chance". When you have many various random outcomes (multiverses), chance can yield very interesting results.
How about you? Pray tell what your faith is? Not to make an assumption but if you follow any of the organized world religions that embodies the idea that this world was made specifically for humans, then that alone would be just as ridiculous to assume. Why your faith against all others?
@DamienZshadow So now you are a scientist? You are working on a theory of everything (lol). Unfortunately, that theory already exists, it is called God. God is everything. Face it, you chose chance, even if you embrace the multi-verse theory (as I do) it still leaves open the question of who or what created and organizes the multi-verse. Also the multiverse theory is compatable with monotheism- God is simply the creator and maintainer of the multiverse, heaven and hell etc...
@moonlightbateman (Regardless of me going to college for Biology) in a general sense, someone who applies the scientific method is a scientist as you probably are too. Anyone who systematically observes, tests, and applies their experiences is a scientist. And let it be an open question, we simply don't have any evidence to suggest this "thing" is even a conscious entity let alone one that listens only to humans whispering to themselves on their knees, worshiping him like cheerleaders.
@DamienZshadow So as a scientist, surely you are open to the studies that have found that prayer is conclusively beneficial and that believers have higher rates of recovery, longer life spans and are generally happier. Atheists have higher rates of isolation, depression and suicide. Not to mention that numerically atheists make up only 2.3% of the population, a failing grade at any school.
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articlescholar 4 weeks ago
We have taken such a huge step backward since this was made
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We need less bloodshed, ignorance, and tyranny, and more people like Carl Sagan.
jamesdragonforce 4 months ago 5
if there is a Messiah I could truly believe in, it would be Carl Sagan.
nikiwonoto 5 months ago 7
Trollers, get a life!
TheDarkFenix 5 months ago
146 dislikes. World, what is wrong with you??
TheDarkFenix 5 months ago 3
Carl Sagan (Y)
LebaneseNostalgia 5 months ago
If he only knew...
edde8282 6 months ago
Unfortunately, we've gone down the same destructive path yet again, at least he didn't live to see it...
BunnaySango 6 months ago 3
I stopped watching at 4:22
TheManDownTheRoad 7 months ago
@TheManDownTheRoad why?
kbp5520 6 months ago
@kbp5520 Carl sagan stopped talking
TheManDownTheRoad 6 months ago
@TheManDownTheRoad ann druyan is nice to listen to, but i get your point.
kbp5520 6 months ago
Carl Sagan lived till 62
starlogic99 7 months ago
I nominate Carl Sagan as God...
What? no? okay.
funrizwan 7 months ago
Carl sagan lives up to 69 and Arold camping is 89 and still alive... that's it, there's definitelly no god at all! lol
kajakpaddler92 7 months ago
We truly miss you Mr Sagan
PovichG 8 months ago
RIP Carl Sagan
domesticatedanimal77 8 months ago
this documentary is one of the few things that make me teary-eyed
vraciudude 9 months ago
Go away woman
av733 9 months ago
people like Carl Sagan
that didn't believe in the Drake equation
were tryin to keep Western civilization on the need-to-know basis
Well you need to know that this is a game
and we're bein betrayed and played in the worst way
Torcha20 9 months ago
so happy to have found this channel! (thanks to a Yuri Gargarin search)
pattyfromtoledo 9 months ago
All of the effort would be justified. If only the majority of us had sense or even cared.
icallgreens 11 months ago
global warming is bullshit! moron!
djbenny19 1 year ago
@djbenny19 Go away, moron...
coperone2 1 year ago
I'm sorry Carl, we have failed.
Crusher8000 1 year ago
@Crusher8000 We have not sir! The Zeitgeist Movement is moving humanity towards this direction! Search: "Zeitgeist: The Summary" and if you enjoy that, search "Zeitgeist: Addendum"
brucegalliver 1 year ago
@brucegalliver
For the love of man..."sir" can you and others of similar tastes STOP relating Carl Sagan to all this New Age and NWO shit? How long will it take for you to understand that this man was against all you noobheads.
VonManavis 10 months ago
@VonManavis The Zeitgeist Movement is predicated on bringing about an economic system that puts the meeting of ALL people and ALL the world's species and ALL the world's natural environment as paramount.
Carl Sagan famously quoted "a new consciousness is emerging that see's the Earth as a single organism, and realises, that an organism at war with itself, is doomed. We are one planet." This is the basic philosophy of the movement?
Can you please define "New age and NWO shit?"
Peace
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brucegalliver 10 months ago
@brucegalliver
Just because he made this comparison, doesn't mean he is introducing your lousy movement to the world. And he never spoke of different economic systems, but rather solar systems so cut the crap please, start getting truly educated and leave generalizations aside.
VonManavis 10 months ago
@VonManavis Okay, thank you for the advice. Is there anything you can suggest I should start reading up on or watching?
brucegalliver 10 months ago
@brucegalliver
Carl Sagan's last interview here on YT. But try to listen and watch carefully.
VonManavis 10 months ago
Sagan by way of the "Cosmos" series became one of the most influentual educators of the late 20th century. So many of us who grew up in the 1970's were informed by his large view of science and the universe that in a certain way we are a part of the "Sagan Legacy" for lack of a better phrase. He was a romanticist, romantic in his faith in human reason. Blessings to his family and to Ann Druyan for all they have taught us.
gurlsingerfan 1 year ago
So far ahead of his time....
madelineschannel 1 year ago
Its a human travesty that men like Carl arent directing the course of the planet and human affairs as much as, lets say, an International banking cartel, or a clique of obscenely wealthy, powerful and ultimately very short sighted men. You just have to look at recent human history to see somethings very wrong. And while half the planet chooses to believe its the work of the devil, I personally believe unelected, powerful and wealthy men, guide and have been guiding human affairs for some time.
educate1self 1 year ago
140 dislikes? What the fuck!?
coperone2 1 year ago 2
@coperone2 probably people whose jobs involved making and maintaining nuclear weapons...
possumverde 1 year ago
I'm amazed anybody would NOT like it. Sagan was the best, and his legacy continues through Ms. Druyan and others whom he inspired. What a gift he was to mankind. And what a loss: he died too young.
mattcoul1 1 year ago
Why can't we have more Carl Sagans and less (or absolutely none) Pat Robertsons in the world?
hellhammerz666 1 year ago 13
Cosmos forever !!!
Miss you Sagan ...
pitchoun2a 1 year ago
truly an exceptional man, thank you Carl for being so inspirational ...
pitchoun2a 1 year ago
140 people are mad that Carl Sagan's wife is hotter than theirs.
TheReasonParty 1 year ago
@TheReasonParty
Sagan is being disliked because he's a man with curiosity. Because he wants to know how, and why.
140 people are probably of the mindset that God watches them masturbate. They think God wants us to ignore our surroundings. I mean what if we discovered something contrary to scripture. That would be very inconvenient. Those pesky scientists have already discovered the earth is round. God may very well exist. But to me hes nothing like the God in the major religions holy books.
educate1self 1 year ago 19
I have an old book from 1982, from carl sagan, translated in german.
TeeSOTe88 1 year ago
Ann's a babe :)
seeifyouspamme 1 year ago
Mr Anderson?
mikevern69 1 year ago
Ann, your beautiful !!! : )
2P4RT4CU2 1 year ago
Now that is fantastic.
ErichoTTA 1 year ago
Best TV program ever.
FOCtv 1 year ago
carl sagan has always been very humble. which is something other scientists lacked... it makes him all the more interesting to me
pinpoint45 1 year ago
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@Aladoniss God is eternal, no begining and no end. Atheism may be a form of Aspergers Syndrome- an inability to comprehend complex concepts such as God.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
Can you comprehend my God? Or just your God?
Your point lacks distinguishment, and is beyond ignorance. Please, don't keep making such claims of certainty, it confuses people and makes you and others look stupid.
Fastlan3 1 year ago 16
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@Fastlan3 God is eternal, no begining and no end. Atheism may be a form of Aspergers Syndrome- an inability to comprehend complex concepts such as God. Feel free to look into it on your own.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
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@Fastlan3 Another symptom of aspergers syndrome is rude behavior toward total strangers- yet another reason that atheism is a form of aspergers syndrome. Thanks for providing evidence!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
If you actually understand the subject and all which it entails, you might considered yourself to have aspergers syndrome. At least to the degree you are taking it... i.e. thinking you can recognize a person has it, because a few comments.
The diagnostics for the symptoms are tremendously exhausting, using clinical judgment with (ADI-R), a semistructured interview and (ADOS) when the person is a child.
My comment was objective towards your ignorance, but you don't seem to understand.
Fastlan3 1 year ago
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@Fastlan3 Again- you are demonstrating symptoms by continuing to attempt to belittle someone you do not know- strengthening the case that you suffer from Aspergers Syndrome- just like alot of other atheists. Your posts are evidence against you- please, keep posting:)
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
LOL...alright bateman.
You keep that ad hominem argument, it seems to fit you.
Fastlan3 1 year ago
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@Fastlan3 Not an argument- an observation.
You appear to suffer from Aspergers Syndrome.
You might want to have yourself checked out. I hope that helps!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
Yeah...make sure you do the same...OK.
Fastlan3 1 year ago
@Fastlan3 Your first question defines you as stupid.
WillyMcWilliness 1 year ago
@WillyMcWilliness
I assume you are referring to this comment "Can you comprehend my God? Or just your God?"
The comment was rhetorical, but the concern is people's belief they have a distinguished understanding of a god and 'know' it to be true.
Please explain why this defines me as "stupid", if you can?
Fastlan3 1 year ago
@Fastlan3 just the idea of 'God' is enough to make me define, quite happily, anyone as stupid.
WillyMcWilliness 1 year ago
@WillyMcWilliness
Did you actually read by discussion with (moonlightbateman)?
You might want to ask for a little more information before you make certain assumption.
Fastlan3 1 year ago
@Fastlan3 No but I am now assuming you are not in fact stupid.
WillyMcWilliness 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Just ignore this moonlightbateman guy, he's a blatant troll lol
RawryMcRawr 1 year ago 4
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@RawryMcRawr I believe that you may suffer from Aspergers Syndrome. You attempt to imsult someone you do not know on a subject you do not understand. Atheism may very well be a form of autism in the Aspergers family. The numbers, facts and research are pointing this way more and more everyday!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
HAha, you've been turned into the yip yipping chihuaha of youtube.
You're the annoying squeaky toy one accidentally steps on while they're going somewhere important.
No one pays you any attention no matter how much you shriek and wail and spew insults.
I can't say i feel sorry for you.
Ebrainiac1 1 year ago
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moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
Sticks and stones you wheezing ignorant windbag. Sticks and stones.
Ebrainiac1 1 year ago
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@Ebrainiac1 I believe that you may suffer from Aspergers Syndrome. You attempt to insult someone you do not know on a subject you do not understand. Atheism may very well be a form of autism in the Aspergers family. The numbers, facts and research are pointing this way more and more everyday!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman the notion that an theological belief such as Athiesm can be related to Aspergers Syndrome is like saying being a Christian is to suffer from HIV. Neither are correct in any way, shape, or form. IF there is a single "god" the likelyhood of it being the christian god is very low. Christians have simply misunderstood a short story for relating celestial movements. The son of god wasnt born on December 25th, the SUN, or SUN GOD is "reborn" on December 25th.
dylandestroy666 10 months ago
@dylandestroy666 Incorrect- Read "The Irrational Atheist" and Wired magazines article linking Atheism with Aspergers Syndrome. Sir Roger Penrose calculated the possibility of an accidental or unintentional existance as 1 in 10 to the 123rd power...making atheism a mathematical impossibility. Thus atheism is irrational, illogical and impossible. A fairytale claiming that something came from nothing. Hope that helps:)
moonlightbateman 10 months ago
@moonlightbateman You should go and watch Cosmos before you go spout more strawman. :)
Achenar12 10 months ago
@Achenar12 Saw the original, its already dated:) Read "The Irrational Atheist" and Wired magazines article linking Atheism with Aspergers Syndrome. Sir Roger Penrose calculated the possibility of an accidental or unintentional existance as 1 in 10 to the 123rd power...making atheism a mathematical impossibility. Thus atheism is irrational, illogical and impossible. A fairytale claiming that something came from nothing. Hope that helps:)
moonlightbateman 10 months ago
@moonlightbateman Then I would recommend watching it again as you obviously didn't pay attention the first time.
Achenar12 10 months ago
@Achenar12 Like you, its already dated:) Read "The Irrational Atheist" and Wired magazines article linking Atheism with Aspergers Syndrome. Sir Roger Penrose calculated the possibility of an accidental or unintentional existance as 1 in 10 to the 123rd power...making atheism a mathematical impossibility. Thus atheism is irrational, illogical and impossible. A fairytale claiming that something came from nothing. Hope that helps:)
moonlightbateman 10 months ago
@moonlightbateman since when did atheists believe something came from nothing? I thought thats what religious people believed in when they say all animals were all created fully formed one day by a deity who apparently comes from nothing but itself.
tailsmilesprower24 5 months ago 2
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@tailsmilesprower24 "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing - is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice."
Richard Dawkins
Atheism is the belief in nothing, something coming from nothing is a scientific impossibility.
"When you eliminate the impossible, what remains is not only possible, but probable"- Michio Kaku
moonlightbateman 5 months ago
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@tailsmilesprower24 "The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved out of literally nothing - is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice."
Richard Dawkins. Atheism is the belief in nothing, something coming from nothing is a scientific impossibility.
"When you eliminate the impossible, what remains is not only possible, but probable"- Michio Kaku
moonlightbateman 5 months ago
@moonlightbateman you really fail at trolling im afraid, 0/10
RawryMcRawr 1 year ago 2
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@RawryMcRawr I believe that you may suffer from Aspergers Syndrome. You attempt to imsult someone you do not know on a subject you do not understand. Atheism may very well be a form of autism in the Aspergers family. The numbers, facts and research are pointing this way more and more everyday!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@DopeMcDoperson You nigger lover shut the fuck up and go worship ALLAH!
JonKinchIsLegit 1 year ago
Wow, moonlightbateman's comments in this video boggle my mind.
I'm going to interoperate Bateman, as Bait man, as TROLL.
ReubenHorsley 1 year ago
Mr. Sagan is right, we must CHOOSE LIFE instead of neglecting our earth and reaching a point where we perish. WE ALL MUST Choose life and do whatever we can to save our planet, by using our technology to carry us to the stars and planets and a whole lot more to protect our enviroment, use it to correctly to clean up the enviroment. No more usage in a negative way.
Jerseysson27 1 year ago
Sagan's only weakness was his optimism.
mrbreaker101 1 year ago
@mrbreaker101 Why is Optimism a weakness in your mind?
I do not think he was overly optimistic. He had many doubts.
TheKturner05 1 year ago
@mrbreaker101 it is not optimism when it is realistic...
prowled 1 year ago
@DopeMcDoperson Just verified that the whole series is still on Hulu for free. Yay! Woot 85 here. BTW, great user name.
joudheus 1 year ago
I don't understand. 10 years after would have been the late 80's, long before the world wide web and long before internet was known to the average person.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 There was another recap, after sagans own 10 year recap. I suspect the second recap was after sagans death actually, maybe from a DVD re-release?
ReubenHorsley 1 year ago
@christo930
10 years was carls message, 20 was anns.
tufflegruff 1 year ago
@DopeMcDoperson Yeah, it only got one season but it was great. I think Hulu has them posted, or at least used to. I wasn't alive for this so I'm glad Hulu did that. Watched the whole series. Carl Sagan is my hero.
joudheus 1 year ago 2
139 dislikes? On a Sagan video? WTF??
anadus7 1 year ago
@anadus7 Some people are just assholes.
joudheus 1 year ago
@joudheus And sometimes they are just creationists:)
christo930 1 year ago
it's a shame to thumbs down carl sagan
GOSUPitZ 1 year ago
I can't imagine the ignorance behind the negative votes on this video.
Obviously done by people with their eyes shut, their ears covered and their minds closed.
Must be religious types.
gjsterp 1 year ago
fuck and kill are the same word to carl....sirs....
johnsmdm 1 year ago
god speed sir.
circusboy90210 1 year ago
Sorry,but our world rest in the hands of the 200 elites that mearly dont want all of us to survive because of their greed for power and world domination,as much as i wish this wasnt true,look at the facts,it doesnt take a scientist to see what is going on,trying to thin out the population so they can controll it,and they will succeed,but not without destroying a large part of the world on the way.Know their are people that think if we cant have it than nobody can!and thats on both sides!
semiLivedj 1 year ago
@semiLivedj You are not even literate, how can you think you know what you are saying has any credibility. If you were able to use grammar and punctuation correctly you would have a lot more credibility, your 2nd grade education is showing.
cmug666 1 year ago
@cmug666 wow,didnt know my second grade english teacher Mrs Crum was reading this,and who said i wanted to be creditable! Sounds to me,your just a goofdick! If you cant understand what im saying,than dont read it,Goofdick!
semiLivedj 1 year ago
The greatest Genius of my lifetime has been Carl Sagan.
AmericanMale1953 1 year ago 68
@AmericanMale1953 Not to take ANYTHING away from Carl Sagan, who was especially genius at explaining through analogies and to the lay person, I would think that Steven Hawking is probably the Einstein of our era.
christo930 1 year ago
missing carl.
wowheed 1 year ago
I think people like Palin and GW Bush would have died of heartattack if they saw the Cosmos series.
amorphousguy 1 year ago
Carl,
some of us see the human experience as you did.
A miracle of exploding star-stuff gaining intelligence and love for one-another.
You did not need fairy tales to appreciate and honor our story.
Respect and love was enough.
The "Pale Blue Dot" goes on without you.
But I, as an intelligent Earthling, miss the poetic way you explained our human history, and the history of the universe, so we may be empowered to make this "Stat stuff", take care to survive.
Thank you Carl...
HerschelMatthews 1 year ago 2
We need more people like Sagan in the world.
EngineerAdams 1 year ago 6
Carl Sagan is one of my heroes. I'm so glad he didn't live long enough to see what we've become...Sarah Palin, Bush, 9/11, creationism on the rise again...yeesh.
He probably would have committed suicide.
RestInPieces777 1 year ago 4
@RestInPieces777 No! He of all people would have held to hope and would have spent his energy on promoting rationality rather than superstition and paranoia.
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crooksfischer 1 year ago
Wow, how moving! Like cosmic poetry.
1nicaCualquiera 1 year ago
Truly a man before his time.
What sadness he might feel if he knew just what we have become.
thewhiterave 2 years ago 7
@thewhiterave its not that bad.....
we are getting better not worse.
BrianJunglist 1 year ago
Are we?
thewhiterave 1 year ago
yea, i just hope we are getting better, fast enough :/
tfwarlord 1 year ago
Thanks to religious theocrats and acceptence of world-wide ignorance, it feels that humanity has failed Sagan. :(
amorphousguy 2 years ago 9
Failed him? Who is he for us to fail him? If you actually took his words to heart you would realize that we haven't failed him for he never wanted to be placed in the position of worship.
What we have failed is ourselves.
captwasabi 1 year ago
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"The Irrational Atheist"Atheist regimes killed over 150 million people in the last 100 years. Atheists are 4 times more likely to commit crimes and be incarcerated.
Theist scientists tend to have higher IQ's than atheists. Atheists are more likely to suffer from mental illness, depression and suicide. Most Doctors, Presidents,Astronauts are believers. America, a primarily Christian nation has 28% more scientific output than atheistic France.Atheism may be a form of aspergers syndrome
moonlightbateman 2 years ago
I'm sorry, did you just accuse a stance on theology as being the result of a mental illness? How dare you? I am quite empathetic and able of socializing yet I am Agnostic-Atheist.
Also, your statistics fail to really make a point. Because the nation is predominantly Christian it will have Christians obviously inhabit a variety of high positions as well as nearly 85% of inmates being Christian with closer to 18% being unaffiliated to any religions. And France is also as secular as America.
DamienZshadow 2 years ago
@DamienZshadow Atheism may be a form of Aspergers Syndrome, an inability to comprehend complex ideas like God. Atheists also tend to have higher levels of isolation, social disorders, depression and higher rates of suicide. British prison statistics show that atheists make up roughly 15% of the British population, but 32% of the British prison population.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman It can be rather taxing on the rational mind to live in a theistic dominated environment. Many atheists are isolated and depressed because people shun them for being open about their beliefs. That is personally not the case with me but I refrain from mentioning it to my Muslim family because I know their beliefs would make living a half decent life with them near to impossible.
Family aside, however, I am (as my girlfriend likes to say) a "social butterfly". I love people.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Then you would be the exception, except for being alienated from your own family, which must be heart breaking. The family is the most basic social structure and since you are alienated from yours, you see my point. Atheists are the self described "least trusted minority" making up only 2.3% of the population.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Thanks for sympathizing but I just don't mention it to them.
Now to say we are least trusted stems from the idea that we don't adhere God's written laws in the ten commandments. This is a flawed idea in and of itself because we're only the ones who admit we don't. Who's to say that any other religious person you know isn't just lying? You can't, so everyone is equally untrustworthy, we just have to find a common mutual respect for one another. Empathy, it drives my honesty.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Atheism is amoral- so to be a true atheist you have to be immune to concepts like good and evil. In an amoral system like atheism- murder, rape and genocide are simply actions, like eating or sleeping. As the philospoher said "If God is not, all is permissable". This is one reason atheism has failed to take hold- peole see good and evil everyday...and know the difference.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Murder, rape, and genocide are verbs, thanks for stating the obvious. Even Atheists can see those "evil" acts are not conducive to a civilized society that would benefit everyone who worked together. I don't need a parental figure to tell me that if I hurt someone, they're either going to hurt me back or someone else will. Further more my morals are driven by empathy for one another because we are social organisms evolved to naturally put ourselves in someone's shoes, kinship.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
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@DamienZshadow Atheism is amoral- so to be a true atheist you have to be immune to concepts like good and evil. In an amoral system like atheism- murder, rape and genocide are simply actions, like eating or sleeping. As the philospoher said "If God is not, all is permissable". This is one reason atheism has failed to take hold- peole see good and evil everyday...and know the difference.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Murder, rape, and genocide are verbs, thanks for stating the obvious. Even Atheists can see those "evil" acts are not conducive to a civilized society that would benefit everyone who worked together. I don't need a parental figure to tell me that if I hurt someone, they're either going to hurt me back or someone else will. Further more my morals are driven by empathy for one another because we are social organisms evolved to naturally put ourselves in someone's shoes, kinship
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Actually atheists have used murder, rape, eugenics and genocide in a misguided attempt to "improve" civilization. The Stalinist purges, Mao's China and the Killing Fields of Cambodia are all examples of a moral system devoid of morality. In an amoral system like atheism, any action can be justified if it is viewed as beneficial to society.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Shall I resort to the same predictable fallback of calling out people associated to you by a simple concept or belief system? A good friend of mine once told me not to judge a core belief on the people who claim to follow it, including the imperialistic missionaries who destroyed cultural integrity, Muslim extremist terrorists, and many others have used the name of God to justify their violent actions regardless of the better intentions of the core belief.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Surely you cant seriously be comparing the millions and millions murdered at the hands of atheist regimes in living memory to sunday school teachers and missionaries, can you? Atheisms body count dwarfs that of any religious conflict ...ever!That is why atheism looks so irrational to sane people, comparisons like thay make absolutely no sense. Ridiculous.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Not the point. I was just saying that you wouldn't want to be tied to people like the Westboro Baptist Church anymore than I would want to be tied to Stallin only based on sharing one outlook. Atheism is a broad umbrella to throw any number of people under. You don't believe in fairies anymore than a rapist might, should we treat the two of you as one? Unlike Atheism, Christianity has core principles to tie ill behavior to others but I don't need to resort to that as you did.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Not my point, I was simply stating that as the Soviet dissident philosopher stated "If God is not, all is permissable",atheism is amoral, in fact amorality is a tenant of atheism. Good and evil do not and cannot exist in an amoral system, thus atheistic systems are free to define behaviors, any behaviors as beneficial- murder, rape,eugenics and genocide included :)
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Agreed, we must define our own behaviors. Why do you think the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and other oppressive regimes have died. Because people were fed up over being mistreated and abused. Naturally, if a nation's people are oppressed, the foundation of that nation is unstable and not likely to last. As humanity, I feel we shouldn't rely on stagnant old predetermined laws but figure out for ourselves what is fair and empathetic to the common man to show true maturity.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow A mature worldview includes using practices that work and crediting the historical sources of those practices. Religion has advanced and continues to advance the human condition by providing inspiration, motivation and real contributions in every area of human endeavor, from social work to human rights to ending hunger and promoting medical breakthroughs. That is simply a fact.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Wonderful, let's have everyone perform positive acts for all the wrong reasons. Whether someone fears hell or seeks paradise, it would seem their only reason for doing "good" is because of an authoritative figure head. I find more maturity and genuine empathy in those who seek to help others without the guilt or need to praise a cosmic father figure. I see humanity taking big steps in growing to do the right thing because they care, not because someone threatens/rewards them.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Again, atheism is amoral- so right and wrong do not exist to you...remember? Atheism has no compass to measure right and wrong, it is too busy denying they exist (lol). So please stop trying to define good and evil while your world view denies they exist:)
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Good/evil don't exist but right/wrong refers to correctness. It would be wrong, against maturity in our society, to only perform beneficial acts for other people only because they are being threatened or rewarded. We say a child isn't mature when they only do what they're told because they are punished or rewarded. When a child realizes empathy and doesn't hit another because he feels for them or knows it will benefit him in the long run to get along, then they have matured.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Thank you for admitting that you do not believe in good or evil, that is a pretty good indicator as to your world view and state of maturity. Unfortunately, you can no longer refer to any action as good or evil and you have shown the world that you are without a moral compass, a tool that every human being attains around age 4. "If God is not, all is permissable" seems to be your take on morality, so if genocide, rape and murder benefit society, then they are acceptable...right?
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman You completely ignored everything I said. Morals and ethics define as rules of conduct with respect to a particular class of human actions or cultures. Not good and evil, predetermined stagnate laws that never amend to the ever changing ideals of the present cultures' ethics. Moreover, other social animals also evolved to show similar behaviors of empathy that are conducive to existing in a civilized society. Treats others as you would like to be treated, simple and beneficial.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" Sound familiar, it describes what you just wrote. Obviously you subscribe to Christian morality, yet you deny the source of that morality. It makes you look incredibly irrational and slightly unstable. If Christianity is so stagnate, why do you still follow its moral guidelines?
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman
It's not christian moral to begin with. There were people living in harmony and happiness before christ? in south america? in australia? Just because you delusional assholes hijacked morale and called it your own doesn't make it a legitimate claim, does it. It just shows you with your pants down again.
heyawhaw 1 year ago
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@heyawhaw Atheism may be a form of aspergers syndrome, an inability to comprehend complex ideas, like God. Atheism is a lie, atheism is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is illogical, irrational and impossible. Atheism is a delusional lie
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@heyawhaw Took the words right out of my mouth. The idea of kinship and altruism is not a 2000 year old concept. The revolutionary idea of working together and helping others so that they may help you is an age old one that predates many civilizations, it's why we're social organisms. Primates even show this behavior. Humans naturally have this desire to empathize and project themselves into other perspectives.
But next time, please don't resort to name calling. Thanks for the input!
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow
Oh, sorry, I didn't know his name was Delusional Asshole ...
and yeah, sorry again. I promise to go to bed early tonight! XD
heyawhaw 1 year ago
@heyawhaw Heh, it's okay. I don't mean to put you down for your efforts, it's just that name calling isn't conducive to a civilized debate between two or more respecting opponents. While I may not disagree with him on many accounts, it makes for a more fruitful discussion if both parties show a little grace and understanding. Just like us, he is honestly only trying to argue what he believes is right and best for everyone, myself included. And for his noble intentions, I respect him.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow
Yeah, I know you're right about all of it, and normally I avoid name calling. The thing is that the people preaching turning the other cheek has a hard time trying to put the money where their mouths are. I know they drag me down and beat me with experience ... but I'm only human and they have their god on their side ... they say ... ; ) anyway, thanx for the reallity check!
heyawhaw 1 year ago
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@heyawhaw Atheism may be a form of aspergers syndrome, an inability to comprehend complex ideas, like God. Atheism is a lie, atheism is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is illogical, irrational and impossible. Atheism is a delusional lie
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
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@heyawhaw Atheism may be a form of aspergers syndrome, an inability to comprehend complex ideas, like God. Atheism is a lie, atheism is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is illogical, irrational and impossible. Atheism is a delusional lie
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman And God is hardly a complex idea. On the contrary, to sum up all gaps of unknown knowledge with God is a rather simple but shoddy patch up job to our overall understanding. When a theist may say that it may be impossible for something not to have a creator, they are overlooking the paradox of the origin of their creator. God also could not have come from nothing, he must have a creator and so on. To stay roughly on topic and quote Carl Sagan, "why not skip a step?"
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow One part of God that you and other atheists fail to comprehend is that God is eternal- no begining or end, so you have just shown that you cannot comprehend a rather complex idea :)
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Can I ask you if this God is conscious or self aware? To be timeless and eternal, God must experience all temporal events in this world at the same time (past, present, future) and in turn must know the future already and set in motion all of the events and actions to take place creating the illusion of free will since individuals in temporal time would assume it is unpredictable. If he did that, isn't he then responsible for all our sins, doubts, and atheism?
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Since humans are conscious and self aware, we know that higher forms of intelligence are capable this. We also know that higher intelligences require intellectual stimulation and creating a sterile world would be...boring. Cold is a lack of heat, darkness is a lack of light and evil is a lack of God. The beauty of free will is that God sent solutions to all those problems (sin,doubt and atheism)- you and I, you simply have to choose whether or not you will do anything about it.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman That's a bit of a cop out. You claim to use logic and reasoning to deduce that the universe must have a creator by demonstrating how nothing can beget everything yet you fail to apply those same forms of deduction to the entity that you claim created this world. What backing does this concept have other than being above and beyond our understanding and physics? Does that not place your God in the realm of essentially being virtually whatever the imagination can conceive?
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Not at all,physics tells us all sorts of things are eternal and infinite (mathematical numbers for instance). The limiting factor is the human capacity to comprehend. For instance, you mistakenly apply an evolutionary concept- going from simple to compex, to a concept that does not involve evolution. Energy and information are 2 known examples of complex and eternal forces,( both are also aspects of God), both are extremely complex and niether have evolved according to physics.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Those mathematical principles are abstractions of concepts to remove any dependence on real world objects which it might have originally been connected to and generalizing it so it has wider applications for other abstract phenomena. It proves nothing else which is real to be infinite.
Everything has been shown to change over time from simple to complex, even abiotic things. Stars fuse hydrogen atoms into heavier elements. All fundamental forces can be traced back and unified.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow So you have a unified theory of everything? (lol) Call the Nobel Committee!Too funny. Let me help you out here, according to the laws of thermodynamics- "Everything" tends toward entropy- not complexity. Thats why there are cemetaries (people die), black holes (stars die) and junk yards(technology dies). Hope that helps!
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman No not yet but evidence points to there being one. Already three of the four fundamental forces have been. This universe may very well have achieved entropy upon its initial formation but gravity and the other forces formed out of the cosmic soup to not only bind and hold together molecules but compress them into stars. Eventually everything will fall to dark energy and entropy but in the mean time the forces still at large will continue to increase the complexity of the world.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow So you believe in a theory of everything. a governing set of laws that rule everything. Laws require a law giver, patterns such as those you listed are obviously not simple,random or accidental. Most rational people see them as the work of a mind, a mind that orders and gives reason to all of existance. Intelligence recognises other intelligence at work. Theism posits existance is intentional, the work of God. Atheism seeks to deny this based on no evidence in favor of...nothing
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Again, you're jumping to conclusions. For all we know, you may be right but you're not applying the rigors of science to a systematic approach of evidence and testing. Over time you may be proven to be correct but as it stands there isn't enough testable evidence to prove that. Another possibility is that this universe is one of many in a multiverse with random different variations in laws and matter making us not so special.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow Not at all, I believe that the universe/multiverse is an intentional construct that allows for varied life. It shows evidence of order, planning, maintenance, laws and intent. All are scientific manifestations of intelligence (God). The alternative is that this is unintentional, accidental and random, created by, maintained by, ordered by...nothing.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman No, it shows we don't know enough. We have but one example, our one Earth, in one briefly studied solar system. Our universe is just so vast that at the moment, who's to say that life isn't varied and spontaneous enough to have civilizations like our own or different arise by chance and many other favorable environments. Given a multiverse, who's to say that out of the billions of different outcomes, ours happens to have the right specifications? Insufficient data is my answer.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow So you choose accident (chance is the word you chose). You do know that the "chances" against that are astronomical and that no one has ever witnessed anything like that dont you? You put your faith in a model based on...nothing. Like most irrational atheists, you choose any answer, no matter how impossible, except the most obvious answer...God. My guess is that you cant find God for the same reason a criminal cant find a cop (lol).
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman No...I choose insufficient data, like a true scientist would. And don't belittle "chance". When you have many various random outcomes (multiverses), chance can yield very interesting results.
How about you? Pray tell what your faith is? Not to make an assumption but if you follow any of the organized world religions that embodies the idea that this world was made specifically for humans, then that alone would be just as ridiculous to assume. Why your faith against all others?
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow So now you are a scientist? You are working on a theory of everything (lol). Unfortunately, that theory already exists, it is called God. God is everything. Face it, you chose chance, even if you embrace the multi-verse theory (as I do) it still leaves open the question of who or what created and organizes the multi-verse. Also the multiverse theory is compatable with monotheism- God is simply the creator and maintainer of the multiverse, heaven and hell etc...
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman (Regardless of me going to college for Biology) in a general sense, someone who applies the scientific method is a scientist as you probably are too. Anyone who systematically observes, tests, and applies their experiences is a scientist. And let it be an open question, we simply don't have any evidence to suggest this "thing" is even a conscious entity let alone one that listens only to humans whispering to themselves on their knees, worshiping him like cheerleaders.
DamienZshadow 1 year ago
@DamienZshadow So as a scientist, surely you are open to the studies that have found that prayer is conclusively beneficial and that believers have higher rates of recovery, longer life spans and are generally happier. Atheists have higher rates of isolation, depression and suicide. Not to mention that numerically atheists make up only 2.3% of the population, a failing grade at any school.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago