Maybe you can justify death- but those babies are in heaven- they don't understand it, and neither do I. I've been there, and seen. It's real, and it's awesome...all rivers filled w/ friendly critters, and water slides. Maybe you should focus on the prize and not the trial...least you be caught up in it all, and lose sight of God.
@loathedanabhorred. Well look, you can keep living in your delusional fantasy world, where you can abort all your problems, and ill live in the real world, and truly DEAL with them, and face the responsibility it entails.
Hey PEOPLE crank call these clinics and tie up their phone lines. No calls- no death. If we all call...they will be forced to leave our GREAT NATION. Tell Obama that babies are not "mistakes". He is the mistake.
@drumheadcircle Unwanted pregnancies ARE NOT PLANNED. Respoonsible people often have to make the heartwrenching decisions to end their own pregnancies, if their only alternative is to toss the child into the system for someone else to deal with. Some kids have good lives with adoptive families, but realistically, tens of millions of children woulld be more of a burden than a blessing, in foster care and orphanages, supported by tax dollars. The US is facing an economic crisis as it is..
dont get me wrong I completely agree, but I also think if the govt forked the money from abortion supporting programs and gave it to adoption clinics and pregancy centers this problem could be fixed, and ive never really had help anything I have or done ive done by myself. It is possible.
@jo3jo3221 Unwanted pregnancies happen, millions of them, in fact. Whether a female is too young, unhealthy, too old, too poor, raped, abused, too fucked-up, addicted, irresponsible, suicidal---whatever her personal situation, why should she be forced to bear a child she doesn't want? Women are more than sex objects or baby-making machines. Some people don't believe that adoption is the right choice. Some women would rather terminate their preg. than carry a child to give away to strangers.
@jo3jo3221 "Abortion supporting programs" provide women w/ qualified doctors 2 do the medical procedure or surgery; if these programs were shut down, more women & girls would be dying from unsafe abortions. De-funding the programs would do more harm than good. More newborns would likely be abandoned 2 die as well, if abortions were illegal. Tens of millions of kids tossed into the system 2 become foster ghosts, knowing they werent wanted. Some people can't help thmselves, its not always possible
@Sueezee1 im just giving you my point of view and I was in the military, I stood up for your rights as well as mine, so ive earned my right to talk much like u have that right too, but just please be respectful to me too plz.
@Sueezee1 im just saying the "they will live in poverty" angle is dead. No matter what someone always has a choice to do something about it, but everyone deserves life. Also can you please not say gd, its a very offensive phrase to me. Im up for a debate but can we do so tastefully please.
@jo3jo3221 The "they will live in poverty" angle is dead? Forcing women who are struggling to support themselves & scrape by to produce unwanted children is, bingo, forcing kids into unstable, poverty-stricken environments. It's a very straight forward concept, even if you yurself have rights & privileges. Not everyone's able to get away from poverty, abuse, homelessness, starvation, etc. Some people don't have options, support or help. Let people make responsible choices for their circumstances
@loatheanabhorred so what's the difference between a 1 month old fetus? 2, 3, 5, 7, 9? Just born? Week old? Where do we draw the line? Your awareness argument is pathetic...
@zathen I'm not your dictionary, go look it up. Go look up images of week old or month old fetuses, or 2, 4, 6, 18 month old "fetuses". Before it's born, it has not experienced life outside the womb! It is not aware of the world outside its dark, watery space. I'm not into late term abortions, but hey, I wouldn't get one. I hear of waaayyy too many violent crimes against children on a daily fucking basis to cry over unwanted unborn fetuses that were never born. booo hoo
@loathedanabhorred Hey, if they don't want to get pregnant, they don't have to have sex. But if they're going to, they have to accept the responsibility that comes with it. Are we gonna deny them this responsibility? What other responsibilities will we deny them? What responsibilities are they willing to deny to themselves? Are we gonna raise our kids how to avoid these responsibilities? Then our society as we see it will break down.
@zathen Having abortions IS accepting responsibility for consequences of having sex, duh. Forcing women to produce children they do not want or cannot care for is the most ridiculous, irresponsible thing you could suggest! No, we should not deny them this responsibility, of making decisions based on their personal lives or circumstances. Nobody likes getting abortions, but women need to have the option to carry out this often heart-wrenching decision for themselves--not you--safely. Have respect
@loathedanabhorred No, abortion is taking the easy way out, like cheating on a test, or plagarizing on an essay. That's not being responsible. What kind of a world do you think you are you living in?
@zathen In your privileged little world, you may see abortion as "taking the easy way out." So you won't have one, which is your choice. Good for you. If someone CAN'T CARE FOR KIDS chooses NOT TO HAVE KIDS, what business is it of yours? Why would you want to force unwanted kids upon people who don't have the resources to care for them properly? To deny a womans rights over her own body and life, to deny a newborn's rights to be loved and cared for, to make you happy? How selfish can you be?
@loathedanabhorred Yes, I'M the selfish one. Oh dear, delusional are we? Ha ha. Isn't to deny a life more selfish? I mean, to kill a HUMAN life. It's not a friggin marsupial inside her womb. It's a human life. We can both agree on that, right? If you don't, keep watching that MTV. Now, the killing of that human life you should also agree, is a undeniable violation of human rights, much more severe than that whole "choice" concept, if you believe in that delusional fantasy option.
@zathen Yu'r selfish, yes, you see yourself as some exceptional, special being. You think millions of women should be forced 2 breed, 2 be punished for sex, and in turn, punish the unwanted, often despised, offspring 4 being forced on them. Because YOU want them 2. The unwanted fetus ALREADY HAS NO RIGHTS. It didn't ask 2 b unwanted, & its own mom rejects it before it's even born. Why shouldn't a child be loved and wanted? How selfish of you 2 think you should tell a woman what to do w/ her womb
@loathedanabhorred Oh geez, ugh. You keep saying the SAME thing over and OVER again. So then the unwanted baby has no rights too? What makes the whole before birth thing any more okay? You're just making rules, setting standards. You're just trying to find loopholes, you know, like when they perform partial birth abortion, of which they take the whole baby out, except it's head, before they kill it, because "technically" if the head did not come out, "it wasn't born." Again a prochoice delusion
@zathen I don't like late term abortions, and, I wouldn't have one. There's nothing glamourous or fun about abortions, women put a lot of consideration into their decisions, and some know they CANT PROVIDE for kids. Regardless of how judgemental or ignorant you may be. If I say the Same Thing repeatedly, it's because you Ignore My Points repeatedly. Your judgements don't mean shit in the real world. Not everyone is privileged or stable. Have some respect for others.
@loathedanabhorred I do have respect. In fact, I have the ultimate respect. I respect life, more than something as shallow as a "choice." But someone like you will never understand, because you, as most human beings, in this respect, and really, the only true, real respect (because any other respects are just useless politics that do nothing at all...) are shallow... and so, I cannot further try to make you see, because you have no depthness that I can stimulate, because there is none.
@zathen Srry you can't "stimulate" an uneducated agreement 2 your selfish ideals from me. Thats really great that you respect yourself so much, but your judmemental little opinion that millions of women should be denied human rights, so millions of unwanted babies can be born, just 2 make you happy, is just not going 2 happen. Making choices considering their health & life isn't "shallow", it's obviously necessary, whatever those choices may be. Good job saying a whole lot of nothing there, haha
@loathedanabhorred I did not say that I respect myself. I said I had the ultimate respect for life. Stop twisting my words. Most abortions are for selfish reasons, not because of an endangerment to their health. People shouldn't have the choice to kill. Either way, you are denying the right of the mother, or the right of the life of the unborn HUMAN BEING. So you're saying you rather choose the prior than the latter? And that's why you're shallow.
@zathen You're shallow believing rights should be denied to women, who are HUMAN BEINGS, and the kids they may or may not produce. How do the rights of a forming person override the rights of a person whos already born and making life choices? Just because you claim abortions to be done for selfish reasons, or by selfish people, doesn't make your shallow judgements worth shit. Who are you to determine how unhealthy a woman should be before getting an abortion? It's none of your business
@zathen What the fuck is your point? Are you foaming at the mouth right now??? I'm amazed at your inability to see the point of the ENTIRE statement! Guess that's what happens when trying to discuss serious issues with slow people...:P
@zathen Riddle me this, how does standing up for women's rights "deny the right of the mother"? Whether a woman decides to be a mother or not is her personal choice, not yours.
There's nothing shallow about providing much-needed social and medical services to the community. This is about protecting people's rights and safety, whether uneducated complainers are offended or not.
Don't get an abortion if you don't want to--aren't you glad you can make that choice and not have one forced on you?
@loathedanabhorred First. I'm standing up for HUMAN rights, for the right of life, not the right (which is a delusional thinking people have that choice, to kill) of this certain "choice". Second, that isn't a very good riddle, at all, at all... at all... totally awful...
@zathen I was asking what you meant by that statement that made no sense to me. If it wasn't a very good question or riddle at all, at all at all, that's because it was your OWN stupid comment. Thanks for enlightening me, hahaha
@zathen You want to deny people their rights actually. Nice try there. Abortions are legal and readily available, and a much needed service. Uneducated people whose opinions on the matter are of no consequence will not change this. Thank God for abortions! And don't pretend that you give a shit what happens to babies once they're born, you don't even think about it. You're pro-birth, not pro-life. You don't care about people's rights or quality of life.
@loathedanabhorred Educated. Mmm. That's what only matters in this world, isn't it? If you're not educated, you're inferior. Your an anti-intellectual. Your a dumb person. Hmmm. The wisest man in the world sat through most of his life on a very tall mountain, in deep meditation, in solitude. And he really never had a formal, western, post-modern education. I already asked you, and I want to know: does a human life deserve to be thrown away like it was trash?
@zathen I don't have any formal education etiher, never been able to afford it. But if I actually believed I was Superior and Special enough to deny rights to millions of women, I would at least try to learn something about what I was fighting FOR, you know??? No, no you don't. And why would I answer your idiot question? You don't answer any of mine.
@loathedanabhorred How about the thought of these women thinking they have the superiority to be able to kill a human life? Why don't I have that same right? And the question I posed to you was perfectly simple and understandable. Your inability to answer it is due to your own intellectual folly.
@zathen You obviously are too busy judging people based on your own ignorance to consider anyone's personal situations. Women don't think they're "superior" for having abortions, what a disgusting assumption. If you are a man, or aren't pregnant, maybe that's why you can't have one? I neither know nor care. If you're so upset that you don't have the power to do so, maybe you're just sick. Women don't enjoy getting abortions, get a fucking clue. They're sometimes necessary. It's not up to you.
@loathedanabhorred But you are doing the same thing to me. You are saying that I am superior, that I am special. That's what you assume from your own ignorance. And you have yet to answer my question.
@loathedanabhorred "Why shouldn't a child be loved and wanted?" How is it gauranteed that a child will be wanted after birth? Are you telling me a life should be destroyed because it is unwanted? "How selfish of you 2 think you should tell a woman what to do w/ her womb?" How selfish is it for a woman to decide the fate of a life? Also, if you don't deny the right to choice you deny the right to life, so either way your DENYING A RIGHT. Which one is of higher PRIORITY? The one that KILLS a life?
@zathen "How is it guaranteed that a child will be wanted after birth?"--Obviously it's not. So many children are taken from unfit homes and children are abused, neglected and even killed by their own caregivers, I hear about these cases and see them firsthand so often it makes me SICK. The point is, we can't FORCE people to care for their kids properly! We can't deny unfit parents the right to breed! But how the hell does forcing people who DO NOT want kids to give birth, help anybody?
@loathedanabhorred Maybe if we lived in a true community, who actually took care of eachother. But we're too self-intrested, we work only to consume, and get into debt, and in the end, we don't worry about the betterment of our fellow man, no. We only care about keeping our credit score above a certain range, so we can what? Consume even more. This society is plagues by many factors, not just unwanted pregnancies. It's a whole system, a horrible, horrible system.
@zathen Now that, I can agree with you on. People are obviously consumers, as any animal is, but unlike our fellow beasts, we have cheated nature, and it's reached the point that we have overpopulated the earth that supports our very existence. We take, consume, destroy, leave behind filth and devastation. People are very competitive by nature, as any animal is! and many people take much more than they need, due to an innate fear of running out of resources. Which now, looms closer than ever....
@loathedanabhorred No the world isn't overpopulated. We are running out of resources because we are misusing them because the corporations make crap that either break or become obsolete in a short amount of time so that we can go back and buy it again, all for profit, while our landfills are filled with those very same, intentionally made inferior items. The system is destroying us, not people.
@zathen "The system is destroying us, not people." What, you think the "system"s run by robots or aliens? Haha, it's run by crooked people who don't care about others or future generations. People are competitive & selfish by nature, as I already said. Everyone wants to acquire wealth and power, and most of these people are more than willing to walk all over and destroy the little guys. The poor stay poor, millions are denied their basic rights and what will even be left for future generations?
@zathen "Ethiopian-like scenario?" Wow, you really should educate that empty head before trying to argue your weak point of view!!! Your judgements of people you don't even know will not change the system. The laws regulating abortions won't change for the individuals who don't requre the services. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. That is your choice. Be happy you have a choice. I know I am.
@zathen It's not "selfish" of a woman to admit she can't care for a child, and doesn't want to bring that child into the world just to turn her back and let someone else deal with it. It's selfish of you to suggest millions of children should be born to make you happy. It's selfish of you to think millions of women should be slaves to their wombs, should be forced to give birth regardless of their personal circumstances. Keep your nose out of other women's vaginas. You're not wanted.
@loathedanabhorred They MAKE THEMSELVES the slaves. I did not MAKE them have sex, did I? Did I? DID I??? No! It's their fault completely. You don't want to get pregnant, DON'T HAVE SEX. It's very simple. Very simple. VEEEEERRRRRRYYYYY SIMPLEEEEEEEEEEEEE. OH MY GOODNESS. IF YOU CAN'T COMMIT TO THE FACT, DON'T COMMIT THE ACT. Oh my friggen A. I feel like I'm talking to a wall here.
@zathen The fact that you refuse to consider anyone's situation but your OWN is your problem. People's sex lives ARE NOT YOUR BUSINESS, so get over it. "Not having sex" is not a realistic expectation of people. Just bc some people are abstinent, doesn't mean everyone can be/should be. Just bc some people are parents, doesn't mean everyone can be or should be. And whether it's a woman's "fault" or not is irrelevant, no one should be forced to give birth as a punishment for having sex!
@loathedanabhorred If it results in the killing of a human life. Priority is important here. To kill a life so you can enjoy just one, short moment, and whether it was worth it or not, regrettable, forgotten in a day, week, month. Is that the trade-off?
@zathen You're assuming to know things that you're completely ignorant of. You're assuming to know how millions of women think & feel (cold hearted whores?) when you have NO idea of how anyone feels but YOU. I've already pointed out valid situations in which an abortion would be most humane & considerate, you choose to ignore these. Priority IS important. Where will these children all end up? There are already millions of children being supported by the system, rotting in foster, think of them!
@zathen It might be VVEEEERRRRRYYYY SIMPLEEEEEEEE for you to stay abstinent, but again, you can not speak for everyone. You didn't make them have sex, nor should you consider making them give birth! People you will never meet, and you think you should make their personal life choices? Using cliches and rhymes don't give any credibility to your argument, either. I feel like I"M talking to an imbecile :P
@loathedanabhorred Yeahhhhh, 'cause for me it's a simple thing to do, because I'm a robot and I have absolutely no desires, no urges at all. Right....
@zathen "How selfish is it for a woman to decide the fate of a life?" How selfish is it of YOU to believe YOU should decide the fate of pregnant women? Whether a woman was raped, takes drugs that can cause birth defects, or doesn't want to pass on serious medical problems, is up to her. She may want a baby very badly, but would feel SELFISH creating a child who may have birth defects, or may be without a mother, if that woman is very unhealthy. Have some respect, this isn't about YOU.
@loathedanabhorred Every one has rights. I mean people refuse to eat meat and march around with animal rights posters. So why is it so hard for people to think people should live. Plus you sound pretty against everyone who has an abortion, if they didn't have an abortion they'd ABUSE or ABANDON the kid. Or maybe they'd get their act together cos all the sudden its not just them they have to worry about. People adapt to responsibility if it wasn't so darn easy to dodge it and take the easy way.
@SiriusSurvives You're naive & judgemental to consider abortions "easy" decisions for women to make. And what makes you think I sound "against" everyone who has an abortion? I don't have any clue what you mean by that, as I support women who have to make that choice..? No one who gets pregnant considers "just themselves" anymore, theyre in a state of now making decisions that affect not only themselves, but their unborn. And not everyone has human rights, look into it before making such a claim!
@zathen Until you're ready 2 support tens of millions of additional lives, you don't get a say. Abortions are legal here because they're needed. If you can't think of any solutions or consider the harmful outcomes to your delusional fantasies, I guess you've already admitted defeat. Aiming for a lower standard of living won't convince educated people that you have any valid points. Millions of unwanted people isn't a sane or realistic goal when millions are already denied their basic rights. Duh
@loathedanabhorred My defeat? Are we battling here? This is not a debate, it's a human rights issue. A SERIOUS human rights issue. And how would you know what would happen if just over a million people in the US in the year get to live? 'Cause it's not TENS of MILLIONS of lives, get your stats straight. There are whole other options you're really not considering here. You keep thinking there's gonna be this wasteland of impovershed mothers and their children dying on the streets. Please...
@zathen In my lifetime thus far, there have been tens of millions of abortions. Get your own facts straight. It's obviously a debate, as well as a human rights issue, and we disagree. I don't agree in denying women's rights, and I do believe in considering where millions of children would end up. instead of blindly stating that women should be forced to produce kids because they had sex, because my life is peachy and their personal situations don't matter to me. See how that sounds?
What did the baby about to be aborted say to its mother? You are my sunshine, my only sunshine. You make me happy when skies are grey. You'll never know dear how much I love you, please don't take my sunshine away
@loatheanabhorred so a woman can own a life. But you'll say its not aware of its own existence. How aware is a 2 day old baby? How aware is a 9 month fetus still in the womb?
@zathen If a woman's egg cell is fertilized inside her very womb, and she faces the prospect of raising a child of her own flesh and blood, whom else but that woman would the fetus belong to??? You???
Fire and fire only makes a bigger fire, insults directly at a person/group is low. It is ridiculous and irritating to see such a big issue debated with slurs and attacks directly at people, frankly we don't know. Be civil mates~
@SiriusSurvives Standing up for women's rights is not "attacking" anyone. You see, advocating CHOICE means you get to CHOOSE whether to pop out kids or not. Nothing is mandatory. Everyone gets to choose what is right for their own selves. Wanting to take that choice away from everyone bc of one's personal opinion is indeed ridiculous and irritating. Why should anyone choose for millions of women what is right for them in their personal circumstances and lives?
@loathedanabhorred I very simply meant both sides, I see degrading personal assaults from both~ And you can't deny some of your insults were rather low. I don't feel the need to point them out but if I must I will.
And as a response to your question, should anyone take away a lifetime of choices for the child growing inside its mothers womb?
@SiriusSurvives A fetus, though obviously living tissue, does not have a life yet! It's not aware of its existence, and it doesn't read the future and anticipate what may happen down the line. Adults make choices over their health, pregnancies, bodies and children's care. There's no sense in seeing a fetus as a 2-year-old or 10-year-old or 28-year-old....Women are able to choose whether to be mothers or not, fetuses or babies don't choose to be born.
@loathedanabhorred I believe life begins at conception, and I also believe that everyone should be allowed the chance to live. There is every single use in the world in knowing what that fetus will become, you want to know why? Because it should have a future to think about. Cos it won't become a cow or sheep or pig it'll become a person who you can look in the eye and talk to. Women can choose to have sex there it is, choice is made.
@SiriusSurvives Yes, at conception an egg is fertilized which begins the life process, that's besides the point. There's nothing good or positive about tens of millions of kids crapped into the system with no one to love or care for them, think about it. Can you do that? Can you try? There are already MILLIONS of people literally standing in line for water, and dying without it. There are millions of kids in orphanages, foster care, with no one to love them. Where would millions more people go??
@loathedanabhorred No, actually its not besides the point it is the point but alright. Life begins at conception, so its already in this world. Seeing as this is America, babies who are completely handed over are adopted rather quickly not unwanted at all. Cos this is America not the middle east. The kids tossed around from foster home and foster home often have abusive parents who still want custody eventually so the kid can't get adopted and then grows up so no one wants to adopt/
@SiriusSurvives And the future of our species, the near future, looks pretty fucking bleak. The planet is overpopulated already and millions of people are suffering/will suffer as a result. You take a good hard look at the world and tell me what kind of future you suppose millions of unwanted kids can look forward to. And for your info, I can look a cow, pig or dog in the eye and talk to it, and it won't say shit half as stupid as most people! And kids shouldn't be a Punishment for Having Sex!!!
@loathedanabhorred No your right, kids should be the reason you are having sex, but seeing as that isn't the case I guess it does become a punishment something you are responsible for. Future looks frexing bleak eyy? Alright the world does have its problems, but come on, take a harder look at everything everyones doing to fix it. The churches the fundraisers heck even the government funded stuff, steps are being taken to create a better world for the next generation, for the fetuses our future~
@SiriusSurvives says: ? Alright the world does have its problems, but come on, take a harder look at everything everyones doing to fix it. The churches the fundraisers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahha.OMG......... you HAVE to be in the 3rd greade...right???
@SiriusSurvives Why don't you go look into the population crisis? The water crisis? Global warming? The oil crisis? We live off the world's resources! Human life (and animal & plant life that supports us) are dependant on the natural resources that we destroy and devour, and many of these resources are non renewable! How valuable is human life when we destroy the very earth that supports our species!? Churches, fundraisers and gov't are not concerned w/ future gen.s, but with the here and now
I appreciate I really do the assumption that every abortion happens because parents would abuse the child otherwise which is simply not the case. A majority of abortions happen because the mother is 16-17 (Or a bit older or younger) and can not support a child on her own or does not wish to have to explain her pregnancy to her parents or friend. Its a way to dodge responsibility, I know of plenty successful young mothers, it is the easy way out~
@sueezee1 Are you joking? Prolife supports kids getting the chance to be alive like everyone deserves, not abuse. I very simply feel abortions should be illegal, and your loved babies? Excuse you, but someone loving or not loving a child does not make it any less valuable that's an ignorant thing to suggest~
Women don't "need" abortions. Its a convenience. Oh how the god of convenience is worshipped everyday, as they place the infant sacrifice on his metal, red hot, bovine hands. Goes by the name of... Molech
@Sueezee1 hey troll, go back to under the bridge where you reside. You're not a debater, you just attach the word stupid to everything you don't agree with without explaining why.
My suggestion for pro-choice; Go look at life for what it is and tell me honestly that you think you are more deserving to life then the babies whose rights you are supporting the death of simply because right now they don't know what's going on because they would be just as human if not more so then you if allowed the chance to be alive
@Artsyliz Standing up for women's rights doesn't "attack" anyone, nice try dude. That's too bad that pro-lifers can't stand that women are allowed to make decisions regarding their bodies and futures, that they cry over the possible potential for life that never came to be instead of doing something more productive, like considering the rights of people who Have been born, or talking about safe sex and contraceptives instead of criticizing people for making difficult decisions. Peace.
@loathedanabhorred You have a corrupted idea of women's "RIGHTS". You can bang away at that keyboard all you want and click reply to every prolifers good natured comment, but you'll never be standing in truth or goodness. You're all about a side of "RIGHTS" that you have been brainwashed into believing. How can you say you're not attacking them? You chase them, you hunt them down and sink your hypocritical teeth into the areas where you think it'll hurt the most. Get a life.
@Artsyliz says: . You're all about a side of "RIGHTS" that you have been brainwashed into believing.
~~~~~~~~~~ You're all about a side of denying "RIGHTS" that YOU have been brainwashed into believing. Silly little people who live in glass houses shouldnt throw silly little stones, sweetie.
@Artsyliz How clever & creative that you see me @ a keyboard, clicking reply & banging at keys, although I imagine I don't get as worked up as you---I type calmly, even as you bang away. I see you banging at keys with one finger, as you pick your nose. But all that is really besides the point, isn't it?
Having human rights is the opposite of being "brainwashed," actually. Forcing people to breed like cattle is not freedom. Not supporting your uneducated drivel doesn't mean I "attack" u, grow up
To all of the amazing prolifers standing up for the millions of murdered unborn sweet babies, YOU ROCK! NEVER GIVE UP on fighting for the truth because you're standing in a light that can't be dimmed - no matter how ridiculous the taunting of others may be.
@Artsyliz says: To all of the amazing prolifers standing up for the millions of murdered unborn sweet babies
~~~~~~~~~~~ if you believe a fetus would want you to stand up for its life, then in all rational thinking some wouldnt want you to, so how do you decide which fetuses wants to live and which doesnt? Youre a LIAR.. You are standing up for what YOU want women to do to make YOUR ass happy. Try loving the kids more than you hate abortion
@Artsyliz says:NEVER GIVE UP on fighting for the truth
~~~~~~~~~~~~ The TRUTH is what made abortion legal. Didnt you ever wonder why your 'truths"(LOLOL) cant make it illegal? Think on that one for awhile and see what you come up with!
@Artsyliz says: oathedandabhorred's life is about clicking through youtube videos revolving around abortion and attacking prolifers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you didnt say uneducated, irresponsible, childish, decieving things that are generally unture....there could be NO ONE who could attack you, right? Something to think about.
@zathen says: Aren't you glad you weren't aborted?
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LOL, from the mouth of na intelligent probirther!! Are you frickin kidding?life is precious to anyone who is experiencing it as an entity through biographical means, you dumbass, and fetuse wont do that so why ask such a childish, 3 grade question?? AND, the human brain CANNOT comprehend ones own non existance, so your question is moot. Grow up
Yuck sorry my fingers are to fat for my phone-- *from increasing lets just kill them' oh maybe they aren't aware of their existance but that doesn't mean that they won't be. And what about the kids that climb up that social latter and do something great should they have never been given a chance? That's rubbish every person is entitled to life EVERY one be it the homeless guy on 4th street to the unborn kid, how is it right to never even let it live!?
@loathedandabhorred I was the one in poverty in ny. I was a drunk high latin king in foster care and I am now an emt in college for nursing after time in the military and with a family so what are you trying to say
@jo3jo3221 That merely fighting for millions more to be born unwanted doesn't make sense when so many people who're already here don't have rights; taking women's rights away and aiming for a lower standard of living would cause more harm than good. I'm glad you're doing well, but not everyone gets a chance. If a woman can hardly support herself, why should anyone force her to have a baby she can't care for or doesn't want? It's her personal choice whether to have kids, go on welfare, or not...
@loathedanabhorred Do you like hate kids? Why should they have a kid? Because they had bloody sex, and when you have sex you accept that a condom may break and you make get pregnant, why should you stop a child from being born because you made a mistake?
@SiriusSurvives Having children shouldn't be forced upon anyone as Punishment for Having Sex! You can't force everyone to take care of their kids properly! Often when kids are unwanted, they're not cared for properly...
If someone desperately doesn't want kids, it should be up to them to decide that. You can't force everyone to be abstinent, or to take care of their kids, or to have the same ideals or beliefs as you. Don't get an abortion if you don't want to, that's your choice.
@loathedanabhorred having no rights doesn't give anyone reason not to live. No one's forcing anyone to have a baby. Life is more precious that you think it is and frankly you take yours for granted.
@Artsyliz "No one's forcing anyone to have a baby." That's funny, because that's exactly what pro-lifers advocate, is it not???...forcing women to have kids they don't want. ..Thinking every conception should be carried to term, whether that child will be cared for or not. Pro-lifers are pro-birth, not pro-child or pro-human. You may find your life "precious", you may think you're really special, but not everyone has a privileged existence or human rights. Not everyone can support children.
@Artsyliz says: Life is more precious that you think
~~~~~~~~~~ Bull shit! Lay a new baby, that no one knows about, in the desert...it dies. How was that life precious?? It was NOTHING and life is nothing until we are loved, wanted and guided. It was no different than the dead rat laying beside it... the life of the baby seems more precious ONLY because you have the brain to articulate those made up words of sentiment...the rats would do the same thing if it had a human brain
@Sueezee1 So true!!!People abandon their own babies in dumpsters, toilets..and no one knows of or cares for that child that dies. How's that better than abortion? How can a poor unwanted, abused or abandoned baby be better off born? That's pretty twisted that people even suggest sentencing a woman to motherhood simply bc she had sex/was raped... Rats are wonderful, caring mothers to their young; but sometimes, if they are unhealthy, hungry, etc. they eat their young, bc they can't provide 4 them
@loathedanabhorred Child abuse is illegal. Murdering a child is illegal.
Thats the difference, you get arrested for killing a baby out of the womb, you don't for killing it in the womb. Pretty big difference actually, yeah the kids still dead/mistreated and thats awful but that way steps are being taken against the abuse.
@SiriusSurvives Forcing women to give birth is not "taking steps against abuse," are you serious, Sirius? Many women who are not willing to be mothers would rather abandon it, or harm themselves or infant than be burdened with a baby they can't care for. That's simply fact, and offering the option of safe abortions humanely reduces the amount of children dumped or injured by women not prepared to deal with them. Do you hear me? ABORTIONS REDUCE THE # OF UNWANTED BABIES ABANDONED AND KILLED.
@loathedanabhorred First I'm Lex, nice to meet you ^_^. Second~ Are you saying that every single women who gets an abortion would kill or abuse her child if she didn't? Thats just simply not true. It also increases the amount of unmarked graves so y'know.. Hurrh And I don't believe I said that keeping people from killing children was steps against abuse, I said simply I wasn't for child abuse, I'm for life.
@SiriusSurvives Actually, Lex, you said "yeah the kids still dead/mistreated and that's awful but that way steps are being taken against the abuse." I thought you were suggesting that abortion was somehow "abuse" and a child is better off born to a mother who would rather rid herself of her own child after birth than care for it. To which I obviously disagreed, as Abortions Reduce the Number of Unwanted Babies Abandoned and Harmed. Which I see as a positive thing.
Abortion is killing, I see that as negative. I can't see how on earth you wouldn't agree to that but if you think some how just killing it solves the problem fine then. Cos the baby is still unwanted and it sure as heck still exists. So I ask you when is it not ok to kill an unwanted child? After birth? In a year, when is it not ok? See here I would say it was never ok in the first place~
@Sueezee1 Ugh. You're focusing on the possibility on what may or may not happen. Like this other person said, we do not have access to a time machine. So stop talking about what you, in your simplistic view of human nature, think will happen, that 80 million kids will be thrown into dumbsters, i mean, oh geez. This is ridiculous, it goes no where in this argument
@Sueezee1 Again you go off with your unwanted rubbish. How about this, there is a waiting list to adopt babies in America. A waiting list and it can take 4 years to get a kid on that waiting list. Unwanted? Try again.
@Sueezee1 Maybe we should be questioning the adoption policy~ The list is quite real, people have to go out of country to adopt often enough. Have a good day, and bless your heart hun~
@Sueezee1 "OMG....If i had known you were a child AND ignorant, I never wold have posted to you....BYE" You see SiriusSurvives, she doesn't have the mental capacity to answer any serious questions. Any question that require any thought, whatsoever, she can't. You see, you pose that question, and she responds by insulting you, and refuses to answer because she can't. All she can do is refer to the little notepad in her head with the obvious, shallow, prochoice responses. We've heard it all.
@zathen ^.^ Ahh quite~ And to your other post I've been saying that one for ages, they don't have an actual answer. *shrugs*They've very simply run out of logic "NO MORE UNWANTED KIDS" (Is that logic?) And have stopped repeating themselves and resorted to insults.
@Sueezee1 A child and ignorant? I very simply don't swear on the internet because I personally feel that as anyone has access to this younger or otherwise I should keep it clean. Again here my morals, keep me from making myself seem like a selfish fool who enjoys telling us life isn't worth living it and if its legal and 40million people do it, it must be fine. I fail to see your logic. I'm sorry I'm not swearing at you and insulting you personally I guess thats your forte' huh?
@SiriusSurvives If 40 million people do it/have done it, that is/was their choice. Why force 40 million women to produce kids they desperately do not want, can not care for, are a health risk, etc. if they don't want to? Where would these 40 million unwanted kids turn to? Many of our social programs are full and people slip through the cracks and are denied their rights in the millions as it is..It's not that "their life isn't worth living.." bc it doesn't come to that, if they are never born.
@loathedanabhorred No. I will say this very simply, life is always worth being given. Yeah the world ain't perfect but I think that death doesn't ever solve anything. And I am truly sorry that you believe death is a solution, that its just a fetus. Unwanted or not I believe that we still have the right to life, I believe that everyone always should be given the chance to be born. Its just sad, that people kill people, and its not even looked down upon in this society. Not even illegal~
@SiriusSurvives I hate to be the one to break it to you, but death is something we will all face, it's an inevitable event. There are worse things than death, which is simply a natural part of life. People kill people every day, it's true, and I am so sick of hearing of the seemingly mounting cases of abuse against kids. Why the hell would I believe unborn should have fucking rights when millions of children, in our own communities, are abused and denied basic rights every day?
@SiriusSurvives You say, very simply, the same thing over and over, but can't answer any of my questions to you? Where's the sense in getting stuck on a basic point and not considering the consequences or outcomes of your belief? Where would millions of unwanted kids go? How should girls/women be punished for not wanting to be mothers or not being privileged enough to support dependents? How is ignoring the population crisis, economic, etc. going to help anyone? Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
@loathedanabhorred You do as well. I know the consequences. I have seen 16 year old kids go through with pregnancies work 3 jobs and raise there kid, and they don't regret it. I respect them more then anyone who has an abortion.If you are saying every abortion would have otherwise led to abuse then you are frankly wrong. If it wasn't legal people would cope, or they'd go across seas and do it but they'd have to think about it. Heck they'd have to tell their /parents/.
@SiriusSurvives I've seen young girls raise kids, and young girls get abortions. Both are human and worthy of support and respect. We make decisions that are appropriate for our circumstances. Not everyone is leading the same life or has the same abilities or support! Just because some 16 year olds raise kids doesn't mean every 16, 26 or 36 year old is capable of doing so. It's simply fact that unwanted kids are more often abused and neglected that children that were planned and wanted.
@loathedanabhorred I see people struggle every day and make it, I know I don't understand but I see reason to believe that it can be done. 16 year olds can be mums, or they can adopt their KID out. But in getting pregnant at whatever age don't you owe that fetus the chance to live? This is America, and while it ain't perfect here but I believe that everyone has a chance maybe its naive to think that humanity is good and that lifes worth living but I see proof everyday~ So sue me.
@SiriusSurvives I think you're noble in having faith in humanity (and naive) & maybe your heart is in the right place. I also think you're unjustly judgemental of peoples personal predicaments who make the decision to abort. In third world countries, where women are not provided with birth control or abortions, millions of people are starving to death, including little babies, while their population increases. We see the effects of denying women rights over their bodies, and should learn from it
@SiriusSurvives I see people struggle everyday who don't make it. Why can't you consider everyone instead of some? "Adopting their kid out" sounds like an easy way out, but it's more difficult than you obviously think. Girls who can't even afford prenatal health care, or can't supply consent from BOTH parents, may not have that option. And some people don't want to produce kids they can't care for. That's their choice. And no one "owes" anything to their fetus, unless they choose to give birth.
@SiriusSurvives Aborting a fetus PREVENTS it from developing into a born child. If someone births a child, they're responsible (or should be) for caring for it. If they KNOW they cannot support a(nother) dependant and choose to terminate the pregnancy, they're doing what they feel is right for themselves and/or other dependants in their personal situation. Abortions aren't fun or glamorous, but they're a personal right and choice, and the women getting them are the ones living w/ thier decisions
@loathedanabhorred So abortion should be justifiable because if not there's a chance they might be thrown in dumpsters in the future... So should black babies from the south in the 50s be aborted or killed because there's a chance they might get lynched in the future?
@zathen So abortion should be justifiable because if not there's a chance they might be thrown in dumpsters in the future
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is legal ..NO justification necessary, and of course it is justifible if the parent knows it will NOT live the positive life style it DESERVES, and if you think they should be born, then youre a child abuser.
@Sueezee1 Oh yes! Because its legal it must be just fine and dandy! Lets all go have abortions cos its LEGAL. Don't let the government fool yah, this is a life we are talking about thanks~
@SiriusSurvives ays: Don't let the government fool yah, this is a life we are talking about thanks~
~~~~~~~~~~~ Sweetie, I dont let probirthers fool me. There is NO life there, in the realm of everything that denotes our humanbeingness. Your childish ideas are are founded on the irrational, IMAGERY of a baby in your arms. it is a "what if?", hypothetical mindset. Thats defined as not being comprehensible in terms of normal mental processes.
@zathen First of all, I don't believe in time machines, so I can't travel back to the 50s in any case, so I'm not even going to touch that one..Second of all, if a woman would rather harm herself or infant than be a mother, why the hell shouldn't she be able to choose to not give birth? You may enjoy child abuse, but I do not, it disgusts me.
@loathedanabhorred says: !People abandon their own babies in dumpsters, toilets..and no one knows of or cares for that child that dies. How's that better than abortion? How can a poor unwanted, abused or abandoned baby be better off born?
@Artsyliz That's great that you claim to care, but if you don't have a solution in dealing with the millions of people who're already born & have no one to care for them, why fight for more unwanted fetuses to develop into more unwanted people? Abolishing women's rights to health care & life choices is simply aiming for a lowered standard of living in developed countries; where's the sense in that? Everyone's quality of life suffers with overpopulation & millions of unwanted, uncared for people
@Sueezee1 Okay, I see what you mean now. You don't value anything that doesn't have materialistic evidence of that which you might find important according to your own realm of moral laws which you have skillfully crafted to conform and comply with whatever you want. Right. So people aren't important unless other people are involved? Or wait a second, they're only important because they have a brain? They're the same as useless rats? Until SOMEONE else cares?
@jo3jo3221 says: I was the one in poverty in ny. I was a drunk high latin king in foster care and I am now an emt in college for nursing after time in the military and with a family so what are you trying to say
~~~~~~~~~~ they are probably trying to say that one god damned person does NOT a statistic make!! Learn what stats are and how they work, "college boy""...lol
@Sueezee1 'Scuse me. But are you saying that we should look at frexing statistics to decide if someone should be allowed to live? Thats a load of rubbish if every kid who was almost aborted turned out terrible I believe that abortion should still be illegal because it is no ones choice who should live and who should die. And I guess here are morals will never be the same~
@SiriusSurvives So you believe that abortion should be illegal; then what do you suppose a proper punishment should be for a girl or woman who can't care for another human so gets an abortion? What would you have done to these women for breaking the law??
@loathedanabhorred Seeing as I'm not in particular part of the government I can't really decide that, but seeing as abortion is the taking away a life of a child~ What do you think?
@SiriusSurvives I didn't ask whether you have the power to change the laws!!! I know you don't.. I asked your own personal opinion, what do you think should be done to women or girls who have abortions? How should they be punished? Why do you skirt the question to ask what I think? You already know what I think! If you somehow hadn't guessed, I believe in choice!
@SiriusSurvives says: t are you saying that we should look at frexing statistics
~~~~~~~~~~ Youre not smart enough to fast talk me sweetie,....I was talking about giivng all the" fucking" information that decided the outcome of a stat.
@SiriusSurvives says: because it is no ones choice who should live and who should die.
~~~~~~~~~~ Did you sleep through R v W....YES, sweeite,. It was decided years ago that we had a choice. Try the library or learn to word your comments to come out as you wanted them to..lolol
@loathedandabhorred im not againsed womens rights im for the babies rights. If I was againsed womens rights would I give my wife full controll over all household jobs and sign my paycheck over to her every week and not govern where the money goes ?
@jo3jo3221 How can you be "for babies rights" if you don't care what unwanted kids may go through? Merely fighting for more people to be born doesn't benefit anyone, there are enough kids being abused and neglected, enough sitting in foster homes, living in poverty. Taking women's rights over their lives and bodies away from them, would be against women. It really has nothing to do with you and your wife. Getting knocked up doesn't magically transform someone into being able to care for a kid.
prolifers are so ineffective. if they really want to stop abortions, they should just push contraception and sex ed. but ironically, prolifers usually arent advocates of the very thing necessary to reduce abortions. abortion is not going to be outlawed in your life times--not in the usa--so, you can get that dream out of your head.
@Pelonetillo Ineffective? Why is the abortion rate far lower in state with large pro-life populations? Accurate sex-ed is a good thing. That said, why does NYC (which has given out free contraception for years) have the highest abortion rate in the US? Did you know that many nations including Ireland have no abortion? Did you know that half of all abortions are performed on people who were using a contraceptive when they got pregnant?
lol, you kinda answered your own question. why would there be fewer abortions among people who oppose abortion? hmmm... thats a tough one. to reduce pregnancy, you need sex ed and contraceptives. thats pretty much all you can do. abortion bans wont happen. abstinence wont happen.
@LiveActionFilms Hmmm, why would people doing everything they can to avoid pregnancy in the first place choose to terminate an unexpected, unwanted pregnancy? That's a tough one. Even for a dimwitted pretty face like yourself. Instead of blindly speaking against women's rights, take a look at third world nations where women aren't valued and don't have rights. Why would you want a lowered standard of living for people in developed countries??
Maybe you can justify death- but those babies are in heaven- they don't understand it, and neither do I. I've been there, and seen. It's real, and it's awesome...all rivers filled w/ friendly critters, and water slides. Maybe you should focus on the prize and not the trial...least you be caught up in it all, and lose sight of God.
drumheadcircle 6 months ago
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@loathedanabhorred. Well look, you can keep living in your delusional fantasy world, where you can abort all your problems, and ill live in the real world, and truly DEAL with them, and face the responsibility it entails.
zathen 6 months ago
Hey PEOPLE crank call these clinics and tie up their phone lines. No calls- no death. If we all call...they will be forced to leave our GREAT NATION. Tell Obama that babies are not "mistakes". He is the mistake.
drumheadcircle 6 months ago
@drumheadcircle Unwanted pregnancies ARE NOT PLANNED. Respoonsible people often have to make the heartwrenching decisions to end their own pregnancies, if their only alternative is to toss the child into the system for someone else to deal with. Some kids have good lives with adoptive families, but realistically, tens of millions of children woulld be more of a burden than a blessing, in foster care and orphanages, supported by tax dollars. The US is facing an economic crisis as it is..
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loatheanabhorred the question you have to ask yourself is that, does a person, a life, deserve to be thrown away like it was trash?...
zathen 6 months ago
How can i be Pro-Life
HowardSternn 6 months ago
dont get me wrong I completely agree, but I also think if the govt forked the money from abortion supporting programs and gave it to adoption clinics and pregancy centers this problem could be fixed, and ive never really had help anything I have or done ive done by myself. It is possible.
jo3jo3221 6 months ago
@jo3jo3221 Unwanted pregnancies happen, millions of them, in fact. Whether a female is too young, unhealthy, too old, too poor, raped, abused, too fucked-up, addicted, irresponsible, suicidal---whatever her personal situation, why should she be forced to bear a child she doesn't want? Women are more than sex objects or baby-making machines. Some people don't believe that adoption is the right choice. Some women would rather terminate their preg. than carry a child to give away to strangers.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@jo3jo3221 "Abortion supporting programs" provide women w/ qualified doctors 2 do the medical procedure or surgery; if these programs were shut down, more women & girls would be dying from unsafe abortions. De-funding the programs would do more harm than good. More newborns would likely be abandoned 2 die as well, if abortions were illegal. Tens of millions of kids tossed into the system 2 become foster ghosts, knowing they werent wanted. Some people can't help thmselves, its not always possible
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 im just giving you my point of view and I was in the military, I stood up for your rights as well as mine, so ive earned my right to talk much like u have that right too, but just please be respectful to me too plz.
jo3jo3221 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 im nobody special, but im not disrespecting you, and I treat people how I wanna be treated.
jo3jo3221 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 im just saying the "they will live in poverty" angle is dead. No matter what someone always has a choice to do something about it, but everyone deserves life. Also can you please not say gd, its a very offensive phrase to me. Im up for a debate but can we do so tastefully please.
jo3jo3221 6 months ago
@jo3jo3221 says: . Also can you please not say gd, its a very offensive phrase to me.
~~~~~~~~~ Sweetie, youre NOT that special that I will change myself for you OR have babies to make you happy. Who in the hell do you think you are?
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@jo3jo3221 The "they will live in poverty" angle is dead? Forcing women who are struggling to support themselves & scrape by to produce unwanted children is, bingo, forcing kids into unstable, poverty-stricken environments. It's a very straight forward concept, even if you yurself have rights & privileges. Not everyone's able to get away from poverty, abuse, homelessness, starvation, etc. Some people don't have options, support or help. Let people make responsible choices for their circumstances
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loatheanabhorred so what's the difference between a 1 month old fetus? 2, 3, 5, 7, 9? Just born? Week old? Where do we draw the line? Your awareness argument is pathetic...
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen I'm not your dictionary, go look it up. Go look up images of week old or month old fetuses, or 2, 4, 6, 18 month old "fetuses". Before it's born, it has not experienced life outside the womb! It is not aware of the world outside its dark, watery space. I'm not into late term abortions, but hey, I wouldn't get one. I hear of waaayyy too many violent crimes against children on a daily fucking basis to cry over unwanted unborn fetuses that were never born. booo hoo
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Hey, if they don't want to get pregnant, they don't have to have sex. But if they're going to, they have to accept the responsibility that comes with it. Are we gonna deny them this responsibility? What other responsibilities will we deny them? What responsibilities are they willing to deny to themselves? Are we gonna raise our kids how to avoid these responsibilities? Then our society as we see it will break down.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen Having abortions IS accepting responsibility for consequences of having sex, duh. Forcing women to produce children they do not want or cannot care for is the most ridiculous, irresponsible thing you could suggest! No, we should not deny them this responsibility, of making decisions based on their personal lives or circumstances. Nobody likes getting abortions, but women need to have the option to carry out this often heart-wrenching decision for themselves--not you--safely. Have respect
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred No, abortion is taking the easy way out, like cheating on a test, or plagarizing on an essay. That's not being responsible. What kind of a world do you think you are you living in?
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen In your privileged little world, you may see abortion as "taking the easy way out." So you won't have one, which is your choice. Good for you. If someone CAN'T CARE FOR KIDS chooses NOT TO HAVE KIDS, what business is it of yours? Why would you want to force unwanted kids upon people who don't have the resources to care for them properly? To deny a womans rights over her own body and life, to deny a newborn's rights to be loved and cared for, to make you happy? How selfish can you be?
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Yes, I'M the selfish one. Oh dear, delusional are we? Ha ha. Isn't to deny a life more selfish? I mean, to kill a HUMAN life. It's not a friggin marsupial inside her womb. It's a human life. We can both agree on that, right? If you don't, keep watching that MTV. Now, the killing of that human life you should also agree, is a undeniable violation of human rights, much more severe than that whole "choice" concept, if you believe in that delusional fantasy option.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen Yu'r selfish, yes, you see yourself as some exceptional, special being. You think millions of women should be forced 2 breed, 2 be punished for sex, and in turn, punish the unwanted, often despised, offspring 4 being forced on them. Because YOU want them 2. The unwanted fetus ALREADY HAS NO RIGHTS. It didn't ask 2 b unwanted, & its own mom rejects it before it's even born. Why shouldn't a child be loved and wanted? How selfish of you 2 think you should tell a woman what to do w/ her womb
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Oh geez, ugh. You keep saying the SAME thing over and OVER again. So then the unwanted baby has no rights too? What makes the whole before birth thing any more okay? You're just making rules, setting standards. You're just trying to find loopholes, you know, like when they perform partial birth abortion, of which they take the whole baby out, except it's head, before they kill it, because "technically" if the head did not come out, "it wasn't born." Again a prochoice delusion
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen I don't like late term abortions, and, I wouldn't have one. There's nothing glamourous or fun about abortions, women put a lot of consideration into their decisions, and some know they CANT PROVIDE for kids. Regardless of how judgemental or ignorant you may be. If I say the Same Thing repeatedly, it's because you Ignore My Points repeatedly. Your judgements don't mean shit in the real world. Not everyone is privileged or stable. Have some respect for others.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred I do have respect. In fact, I have the ultimate respect. I respect life, more than something as shallow as a "choice." But someone like you will never understand, because you, as most human beings, in this respect, and really, the only true, real respect (because any other respects are just useless politics that do nothing at all...) are shallow... and so, I cannot further try to make you see, because you have no depthness that I can stimulate, because there is none.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen Well said. ^_^
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@zathen Srry you can't "stimulate" an uneducated agreement 2 your selfish ideals from me. Thats really great that you respect yourself so much, but your judmemental little opinion that millions of women should be denied human rights, so millions of unwanted babies can be born, just 2 make you happy, is just not going 2 happen. Making choices considering their health & life isn't "shallow", it's obviously necessary, whatever those choices may be. Good job saying a whole lot of nothing there, haha
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred I did not say that I respect myself. I said I had the ultimate respect for life. Stop twisting my words. Most abortions are for selfish reasons, not because of an endangerment to their health. People shouldn't have the choice to kill. Either way, you are denying the right of the mother, or the right of the life of the unborn HUMAN BEING. So you're saying you rather choose the prior than the latter? And that's why you're shallow.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen You're shallow believing rights should be denied to women, who are HUMAN BEINGS, and the kids they may or may not produce. How do the rights of a forming person override the rights of a person whos already born and making life choices? Just because you claim abortions to be done for selfish reasons, or by selfish people, doesn't make your shallow judgements worth shit. Who are you to determine how unhealthy a woman should be before getting an abortion? It's none of your business
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred See! You just said it! Person. You said it right their. It's a PERSON. You said it, your own words.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen What the fuck is your point? Are you foaming at the mouth right now??? I'm amazed at your inability to see the point of the ENTIRE statement! Guess that's what happens when trying to discuss serious issues with slow people...:P
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@zathen Riddle me this, how does standing up for women's rights "deny the right of the mother"? Whether a woman decides to be a mother or not is her personal choice, not yours.
There's nothing shallow about providing much-needed social and medical services to the community. This is about protecting people's rights and safety, whether uneducated complainers are offended or not.
Don't get an abortion if you don't want to--aren't you glad you can make that choice and not have one forced on you?
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred First. I'm standing up for HUMAN rights, for the right of life, not the right (which is a delusional thinking people have that choice, to kill) of this certain "choice". Second, that isn't a very good riddle, at all, at all... at all... totally awful...
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen I was asking what you meant by that statement that made no sense to me. If it wasn't a very good question or riddle at all, at all at all, that's because it was your OWN stupid comment. Thanks for enlightening me, hahaha
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@zathen You want to deny people their rights actually. Nice try there. Abortions are legal and readily available, and a much needed service. Uneducated people whose opinions on the matter are of no consequence will not change this. Thank God for abortions! And don't pretend that you give a shit what happens to babies once they're born, you don't even think about it. You're pro-birth, not pro-life. You don't care about people's rights or quality of life.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Educated. Mmm. That's what only matters in this world, isn't it? If you're not educated, you're inferior. Your an anti-intellectual. Your a dumb person. Hmmm. The wisest man in the world sat through most of his life on a very tall mountain, in deep meditation, in solitude. And he really never had a formal, western, post-modern education. I already asked you, and I want to know: does a human life deserve to be thrown away like it was trash?
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen I don't have any formal education etiher, never been able to afford it. But if I actually believed I was Superior and Special enough to deny rights to millions of women, I would at least try to learn something about what I was fighting FOR, you know??? No, no you don't. And why would I answer your idiot question? You don't answer any of mine.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred How about the thought of these women thinking they have the superiority to be able to kill a human life? Why don't I have that same right? And the question I posed to you was perfectly simple and understandable. Your inability to answer it is due to your own intellectual folly.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen You obviously are too busy judging people based on your own ignorance to consider anyone's personal situations. Women don't think they're "superior" for having abortions, what a disgusting assumption. If you are a man, or aren't pregnant, maybe that's why you can't have one? I neither know nor care. If you're so upset that you don't have the power to do so, maybe you're just sick. Women don't enjoy getting abortions, get a fucking clue. They're sometimes necessary. It's not up to you.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
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@loathedanabhorred But you are doing the same thing to me. You are saying that I am superior, that I am special. That's what you assume from your own ignorance. And you have yet to answer my question.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen And I guess your own inability to answer the numerous questions I've posed to you can be attributed to your intellectual disability.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred "Why shouldn't a child be loved and wanted?" How is it gauranteed that a child will be wanted after birth? Are you telling me a life should be destroyed because it is unwanted? "How selfish of you 2 think you should tell a woman what to do w/ her womb?" How selfish is it for a woman to decide the fate of a life? Also, if you don't deny the right to choice you deny the right to life, so either way your DENYING A RIGHT. Which one is of higher PRIORITY? The one that KILLS a life?
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen "How is it guaranteed that a child will be wanted after birth?"--Obviously it's not. So many children are taken from unfit homes and children are abused, neglected and even killed by their own caregivers, I hear about these cases and see them firsthand so often it makes me SICK. The point is, we can't FORCE people to care for their kids properly! We can't deny unfit parents the right to breed! But how the hell does forcing people who DO NOT want kids to give birth, help anybody?
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Maybe if we lived in a true community, who actually took care of eachother. But we're too self-intrested, we work only to consume, and get into debt, and in the end, we don't worry about the betterment of our fellow man, no. We only care about keeping our credit score above a certain range, so we can what? Consume even more. This society is plagues by many factors, not just unwanted pregnancies. It's a whole system, a horrible, horrible system.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen Now that, I can agree with you on. People are obviously consumers, as any animal is, but unlike our fellow beasts, we have cheated nature, and it's reached the point that we have overpopulated the earth that supports our very existence. We take, consume, destroy, leave behind filth and devastation. People are very competitive by nature, as any animal is! and many people take much more than they need, due to an innate fear of running out of resources. Which now, looms closer than ever....
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred No the world isn't overpopulated. We are running out of resources because we are misusing them because the corporations make crap that either break or become obsolete in a short amount of time so that we can go back and buy it again, all for profit, while our landfills are filled with those very same, intentionally made inferior items. The system is destroying us, not people.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen "The system is destroying us, not people." What, you think the "system"s run by robots or aliens? Haha, it's run by crooked people who don't care about others or future generations. People are competitive & selfish by nature, as I already said. Everyone wants to acquire wealth and power, and most of these people are more than willing to walk all over and destroy the little guys. The poor stay poor, millions are denied their basic rights and what will even be left for future generations?
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred "People are competitive & selfish by nature" See, now you're just being cynical.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen Empty headed much? Holy shit, everything whooshes right past you, I've got better shit to do now. Ciao
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Again with the Etheopian-like scenario? Come back when you have something new and relevant to the table, mmmkay? Thhhhaaaaaanks
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen "Ethiopian-like scenario?" Wow, you really should educate that empty head before trying to argue your weak point of view!!! Your judgements of people you don't even know will not change the system. The laws regulating abortions won't change for the individuals who don't requre the services. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. That is your choice. Be happy you have a choice. I know I am.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@zathen It's not "selfish" of a woman to admit she can't care for a child, and doesn't want to bring that child into the world just to turn her back and let someone else deal with it. It's selfish of you to suggest millions of children should be born to make you happy. It's selfish of you to think millions of women should be slaves to their wombs, should be forced to give birth regardless of their personal circumstances. Keep your nose out of other women's vaginas. You're not wanted.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred They MAKE THEMSELVES the slaves. I did not MAKE them have sex, did I? Did I? DID I??? No! It's their fault completely. You don't want to get pregnant, DON'T HAVE SEX. It's very simple. Very simple. VEEEEERRRRRRYYYYY SIMPLEEEEEEEEEEEEE. OH MY GOODNESS. IF YOU CAN'T COMMIT TO THE FACT, DON'T COMMIT THE ACT. Oh my friggen A. I feel like I'm talking to a wall here.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen The fact that you refuse to consider anyone's situation but your OWN is your problem. People's sex lives ARE NOT YOUR BUSINESS, so get over it. "Not having sex" is not a realistic expectation of people. Just bc some people are abstinent, doesn't mean everyone can be/should be. Just bc some people are parents, doesn't mean everyone can be or should be. And whether it's a woman's "fault" or not is irrelevant, no one should be forced to give birth as a punishment for having sex!
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred If it results in the killing of a human life. Priority is important here. To kill a life so you can enjoy just one, short moment, and whether it was worth it or not, regrettable, forgotten in a day, week, month. Is that the trade-off?
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen You're assuming to know things that you're completely ignorant of. You're assuming to know how millions of women think & feel (cold hearted whores?) when you have NO idea of how anyone feels but YOU. I've already pointed out valid situations in which an abortion would be most humane & considerate, you choose to ignore these. Priority IS important. Where will these children all end up? There are already millions of children being supported by the system, rotting in foster, think of them!
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@zathen It might be VVEEEERRRRRYYYY SIMPLEEEEEEEE for you to stay abstinent, but again, you can not speak for everyone. You didn't make them have sex, nor should you consider making them give birth! People you will never meet, and you think you should make their personal life choices? Using cliches and rhymes don't give any credibility to your argument, either. I feel like I"M talking to an imbecile :P
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Yeahhhhh, 'cause for me it's a simple thing to do, because I'm a robot and I have absolutely no desires, no urges at all. Right....
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen "How selfish is it for a woman to decide the fate of a life?" How selfish is it of YOU to believe YOU should decide the fate of pregnant women? Whether a woman was raped, takes drugs that can cause birth defects, or doesn't want to pass on serious medical problems, is up to her. She may want a baby very badly, but would feel SELFISH creating a child who may have birth defects, or may be without a mother, if that woman is very unhealthy. Have some respect, this isn't about YOU.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Every one has rights. I mean people refuse to eat meat and march around with animal rights posters. So why is it so hard for people to think people should live. Plus you sound pretty against everyone who has an abortion, if they didn't have an abortion they'd ABUSE or ABANDON the kid. Or maybe they'd get their act together cos all the sudden its not just them they have to worry about. People adapt to responsibility if it wasn't so darn easy to dodge it and take the easy way.
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives You're naive & judgemental to consider abortions "easy" decisions for women to make. And what makes you think I sound "against" everyone who has an abortion? I don't have any clue what you mean by that, as I support women who have to make that choice..? No one who gets pregnant considers "just themselves" anymore, theyre in a state of now making decisions that affect not only themselves, but their unborn. And not everyone has human rights, look into it before making such a claim!
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@zathen Until you're ready 2 support tens of millions of additional lives, you don't get a say. Abortions are legal here because they're needed. If you can't think of any solutions or consider the harmful outcomes to your delusional fantasies, I guess you've already admitted defeat. Aiming for a lower standard of living won't convince educated people that you have any valid points. Millions of unwanted people isn't a sane or realistic goal when millions are already denied their basic rights. Duh
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred My defeat? Are we battling here? This is not a debate, it's a human rights issue. A SERIOUS human rights issue. And how would you know what would happen if just over a million people in the US in the year get to live? 'Cause it's not TENS of MILLIONS of lives, get your stats straight. There are whole other options you're really not considering here. You keep thinking there's gonna be this wasteland of impovershed mothers and their children dying on the streets. Please...
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen In my lifetime thus far, there have been tens of millions of abortions. Get your own facts straight. It's obviously a debate, as well as a human rights issue, and we disagree. I don't agree in denying women's rights, and I do believe in considering where millions of children would end up. instead of blindly stating that women should be forced to produce kids because they had sex, because my life is peachy and their personal situations don't matter to me. See how that sounds?
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
What did the baby about to be aborted say to its mother? You are my sunshine, my only sunshine. You make me happy when skies are grey. You'll never know dear how much I love you, please don't take my sunshine away
zathen 6 months ago
@loatheanabhorred so a woman can own a life. But you'll say its not aware of its own existence. How aware is a 2 day old baby? How aware is a 9 month fetus still in the womb?
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen "A 9 month old fetus?" Are you fukcing kidding me? I won't answer stupid shit like that
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Is a fetus the woman's property?
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen If a woman's egg cell is fertilized inside her very womb, and she faces the prospect of raising a child of her own flesh and blood, whom else but that woman would the fetus belong to??? You???
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 its a simple personality/preferential question that tells what kind of person you are. So why don't you answer it?
zathen 6 months ago
Fire and fire only makes a bigger fire, insults directly at a person/group is low. It is ridiculous and irritating to see such a big issue debated with slurs and attacks directly at people, frankly we don't know. Be civil mates~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives Standing up for women's rights is not "attacking" anyone. You see, advocating CHOICE means you get to CHOOSE whether to pop out kids or not. Nothing is mandatory. Everyone gets to choose what is right for their own selves. Wanting to take that choice away from everyone bc of one's personal opinion is indeed ridiculous and irritating. Why should anyone choose for millions of women what is right for them in their personal circumstances and lives?
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred I very simply meant both sides, I see degrading personal assaults from both~ And you can't deny some of your insults were rather low. I don't feel the need to point them out but if I must I will.
And as a response to your question, should anyone take away a lifetime of choices for the child growing inside its mothers womb?
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives A fetus, though obviously living tissue, does not have a life yet! It's not aware of its existence, and it doesn't read the future and anticipate what may happen down the line. Adults make choices over their health, pregnancies, bodies and children's care. There's no sense in seeing a fetus as a 2-year-old or 10-year-old or 28-year-old....Women are able to choose whether to be mothers or not, fetuses or babies don't choose to be born.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred I believe life begins at conception, and I also believe that everyone should be allowed the chance to live. There is every single use in the world in knowing what that fetus will become, you want to know why? Because it should have a future to think about. Cos it won't become a cow or sheep or pig it'll become a person who you can look in the eye and talk to. Women can choose to have sex there it is, choice is made.
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives Yes, at conception an egg is fertilized which begins the life process, that's besides the point. There's nothing good or positive about tens of millions of kids crapped into the system with no one to love or care for them, think about it. Can you do that? Can you try? There are already MILLIONS of people literally standing in line for water, and dying without it. There are millions of kids in orphanages, foster care, with no one to love them. Where would millions more people go??
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred No, actually its not besides the point it is the point but alright. Life begins at conception, so its already in this world. Seeing as this is America, babies who are completely handed over are adopted rather quickly not unwanted at all. Cos this is America not the middle east. The kids tossed around from foster home and foster home often have abusive parents who still want custody eventually so the kid can't get adopted and then grows up so no one wants to adopt/
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives And the future of our species, the near future, looks pretty fucking bleak. The planet is overpopulated already and millions of people are suffering/will suffer as a result. You take a good hard look at the world and tell me what kind of future you suppose millions of unwanted kids can look forward to. And for your info, I can look a cow, pig or dog in the eye and talk to it, and it won't say shit half as stupid as most people! And kids shouldn't be a Punishment for Having Sex!!!
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred No your right, kids should be the reason you are having sex, but seeing as that isn't the case I guess it does become a punishment something you are responsible for. Future looks frexing bleak eyy? Alright the world does have its problems, but come on, take a harder look at everything everyones doing to fix it. The churches the fundraisers heck even the government funded stuff, steps are being taken to create a better world for the next generation, for the fetuses our future~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
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@SiriusSurvives says: ? Alright the world does have its problems, but come on, take a harder look at everything everyones doing to fix it. The churches the fundraisers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahha.OMG......... you HAVE to be in the 3rd greade...right???
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives Why don't you go look into the population crisis? The water crisis? Global warming? The oil crisis? We live off the world's resources! Human life (and animal & plant life that supports us) are dependant on the natural resources that we destroy and devour, and many of these resources are non renewable! How valuable is human life when we destroy the very earth that supports our species!? Churches, fundraisers and gov't are not concerned w/ future gen.s, but with the here and now
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
I appreciate I really do the assumption that every abortion happens because parents would abuse the child otherwise which is simply not the case. A majority of abortions happen because the mother is 16-17 (Or a bit older or younger) and can not support a child on her own or does not wish to have to explain her pregnancy to her parents or friend. Its a way to dodge responsibility, I know of plenty successful young mothers, it is the easy way out~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@sueezee1 Are you joking? Prolife supports kids getting the chance to be alive like everyone deserves, not abuse. I very simply feel abortions should be illegal, and your loved babies? Excuse you, but someone loving or not loving a child does not make it any less valuable that's an ignorant thing to suggest~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
Women don't "need" abortions. Its a convenience. Oh how the god of convenience is worshipped everyday, as they place the infant sacrifice on his metal, red hot, bovine hands. Goes by the name of... Molech
zathen 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 denial of responsibility is the real crime here. Your "loved ones" are a bunch of immature brats raised by a lazy, horrible mother.
zathen 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 hey troll, go back to under the bridge where you reside. You're not a debater, you just attach the word stupid to everything you don't agree with without explaining why.
zathen 6 months ago
@Artsyliz Liz, don't feed the trolls...
zathen 6 months ago
My suggestion for pro-choice; Go look at life for what it is and tell me honestly that you think you are more deserving to life then the babies whose rights you are supporting the death of simply because right now they don't know what's going on because they would be just as human if not more so then you if allowed the chance to be alive
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 Yet you exist, don't you? So then why haven't you answered my question?
zathen 6 months ago
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loathedandabhorred's life is about clicking through youtube videos revolving around abortion and attacking prolifers.
Artsyliz 7 months ago
loathedandabhorred's life is about clicking through youtube videos revolving around abortion and attacking prolifers.
Artsyliz 7 months ago
@Artsyliz Standing up for women's rights doesn't "attack" anyone, nice try dude. That's too bad that pro-lifers can't stand that women are allowed to make decisions regarding their bodies and futures, that they cry over the possible potential for life that never came to be instead of doing something more productive, like considering the rights of people who Have been born, or talking about safe sex and contraceptives instead of criticizing people for making difficult decisions. Peace.
loathedanabhorred 7 months ago
@loathedanabhorred You have a corrupted idea of women's "RIGHTS". You can bang away at that keyboard all you want and click reply to every prolifers good natured comment, but you'll never be standing in truth or goodness. You're all about a side of "RIGHTS" that you have been brainwashed into believing. How can you say you're not attacking them? You chase them, you hunt them down and sink your hypocritical teeth into the areas where you think it'll hurt the most. Get a life.
Artsyliz 7 months ago
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Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Artsyliz says: . You're all about a side of "RIGHTS" that you have been brainwashed into believing.
~~~~~~~~~~ You're all about a side of denying "RIGHTS" that YOU have been brainwashed into believing. Silly little people who live in glass houses shouldnt throw silly little stones, sweetie.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Artsyliz How clever & creative that you see me @ a keyboard, clicking reply & banging at keys, although I imagine I don't get as worked up as you---I type calmly, even as you bang away. I see you banging at keys with one finger, as you pick your nose. But all that is really besides the point, isn't it?
Having human rights is the opposite of being "brainwashed," actually. Forcing people to breed like cattle is not freedom. Not supporting your uneducated drivel doesn't mean I "attack" u, grow up
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
To all of the amazing prolifers standing up for the millions of murdered unborn sweet babies, YOU ROCK! NEVER GIVE UP on fighting for the truth because you're standing in a light that can't be dimmed - no matter how ridiculous the taunting of others may be.
Artsyliz 7 months ago
@Artsyliz says: To all of the amazing prolifers standing up for the millions of murdered unborn sweet babies
~~~~~~~~~~~ if you believe a fetus would want you to stand up for its life, then in all rational thinking some wouldnt want you to, so how do you decide which fetuses wants to live and which doesnt? Youre a LIAR.. You are standing up for what YOU want women to do to make YOUR ass happy. Try loving the kids more than you hate abortion
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Artsyliz says:NEVER GIVE UP on fighting for the truth
~~~~~~~~~~~~ The TRUTH is what made abortion legal. Didnt you ever wonder why your 'truths"(LOLOL) cant make it illegal? Think on that one for awhile and see what you come up with!
Sueezee1 6 months ago
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@Artsyliz says: oathedandabhorred's life is about clicking through youtube videos revolving around abortion and attacking prolifers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you didnt say uneducated, irresponsible, childish, decieving things that are generally unture....there could be NO ONE who could attack you, right? Something to think about.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
loathedandabhorred's life is about clicking through youtube videos revolving around abortion and attacking prolifers.
Artsyliz 7 months ago
To pro-choicers: Aren't you glad you weren't aborted? I mean, really. I don't understand your logic at all.
zathen 7 months ago
@zathen says: Aren't you glad you weren't aborted?
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LOL, from the mouth of na intelligent probirther!! Are you frickin kidding?life is precious to anyone who is experiencing it as an entity through biographical means, you dumbass, and fetuse wont do that so why ask such a childish, 3 grade question?? AND, the human brain CANNOT comprehend ones own non existance, so your question is moot. Grow up
Sueezee1 6 months ago
Yuck sorry my fingers are to fat for my phone-- *from increasing lets just kill them' oh maybe they aren't aware of their existance but that doesn't mean that they won't be. And what about the kids that climb up that social latter and do something great should they have never been given a chance? That's rubbish every person is entitled to life EVERY one be it the homeless guy on 4th street to the unborn kid, how is it right to never even let it live!?
SiriusSurvives 7 months ago
Ahh this is probably my favorite argument ' We have enough abused people so to stop the numbers fro
SiriusSurvives 7 months ago
@loathedandabhorred I was the one in poverty in ny. I was a drunk high latin king in foster care and I am now an emt in college for nursing after time in the military and with a family so what are you trying to say
jo3jo3221 7 months ago
@jo3jo3221 That merely fighting for millions more to be born unwanted doesn't make sense when so many people who're already here don't have rights; taking women's rights away and aiming for a lower standard of living would cause more harm than good. I'm glad you're doing well, but not everyone gets a chance. If a woman can hardly support herself, why should anyone force her to have a baby she can't care for or doesn't want? It's her personal choice whether to have kids, go on welfare, or not...
loathedanabhorred 7 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Do you like hate kids? Why should they have a kid? Because they had bloody sex, and when you have sex you accept that a condom may break and you make get pregnant, why should you stop a child from being born because you made a mistake?
SiriusSurvives 7 months ago
@SiriusSurvives Having children shouldn't be forced upon anyone as Punishment for Having Sex! You can't force everyone to take care of their kids properly! Often when kids are unwanted, they're not cared for properly...
If someone desperately doesn't want kids, it should be up to them to decide that. You can't force everyone to be abstinent, or to take care of their kids, or to have the same ideals or beliefs as you. Don't get an abortion if you don't want to, that's your choice.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago 2
@loathedanabhorred having no rights doesn't give anyone reason not to live. No one's forcing anyone to have a baby. Life is more precious that you think it is and frankly you take yours for granted.
Artsyliz 7 months ago
@Artsyliz "No one's forcing anyone to have a baby." That's funny, because that's exactly what pro-lifers advocate, is it not???...forcing women to have kids they don't want. ..Thinking every conception should be carried to term, whether that child will be cared for or not. Pro-lifers are pro-birth, not pro-child or pro-human. You may find your life "precious", you may think you're really special, but not everyone has a privileged existence or human rights. Not everyone can support children.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@Artsyliz says: Life is more precious that you think
~~~~~~~~~~ Bull shit! Lay a new baby, that no one knows about, in the desert...it dies. How was that life precious?? It was NOTHING and life is nothing until we are loved, wanted and guided. It was no different than the dead rat laying beside it... the life of the baby seems more precious ONLY because you have the brain to articulate those made up words of sentiment...the rats would do the same thing if it had a human brain
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 So true!!!People abandon their own babies in dumpsters, toilets..and no one knows of or cares for that child that dies. How's that better than abortion? How can a poor unwanted, abused or abandoned baby be better off born? That's pretty twisted that people even suggest sentencing a woman to motherhood simply bc she had sex/was raped... Rats are wonderful, caring mothers to their young; but sometimes, if they are unhealthy, hungry, etc. they eat their young, bc they can't provide 4 them
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Child abuse is illegal. Murdering a child is illegal.
Thats the difference, you get arrested for killing a baby out of the womb, you don't for killing it in the womb. Pretty big difference actually, yeah the kids still dead/mistreated and thats awful but that way steps are being taken against the abuse.
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives Forcing women to give birth is not "taking steps against abuse," are you serious, Sirius? Many women who are not willing to be mothers would rather abandon it, or harm themselves or infant than be burdened with a baby they can't care for. That's simply fact, and offering the option of safe abortions humanely reduces the amount of children dumped or injured by women not prepared to deal with them. Do you hear me? ABORTIONS REDUCE THE # OF UNWANTED BABIES ABANDONED AND KILLED.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred First I'm Lex, nice to meet you ^_^. Second~ Are you saying that every single women who gets an abortion would kill or abuse her child if she didn't? Thats just simply not true. It also increases the amount of unmarked graves so y'know.. Hurrh And I don't believe I said that keeping people from killing children was steps against abuse, I said simply I wasn't for child abuse, I'm for life.
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives Actually, Lex, you said "yeah the kids still dead/mistreated and that's awful but that way steps are being taken against the abuse." I thought you were suggesting that abortion was somehow "abuse" and a child is better off born to a mother who would rather rid herself of her own child after birth than care for it. To which I obviously disagreed, as Abortions Reduce the Number of Unwanted Babies Abandoned and Harmed. Which I see as a positive thing.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred This is silly.
Abortion is killing, I see that as negative. I can't see how on earth you wouldn't agree to that but if you think some how just killing it solves the problem fine then. Cos the baby is still unwanted and it sure as heck still exists. So I ask you when is it not ok to kill an unwanted child? After birth? In a year, when is it not ok? See here I would say it was never ok in the first place~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives says:" bortion is killing, I see that as negative. I can't see how on earth you wouldn't agree to that
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I dont see how on earth YOU want a possible 80 MILLION unwanted kids born & throw away in your damned lifetime. Explain THAT one!!
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 Ugh. You're focusing on the possibility on what may or may not happen. Like this other person said, we do not have access to a time machine. So stop talking about what you, in your simplistic view of human nature, think will happen, that 80 million kids will be thrown into dumbsters, i mean, oh geez. This is ridiculous, it goes no where in this argument
zathen 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 Again you go off with your unwanted rubbish. How about this, there is a waiting list to adopt babies in America. A waiting list and it can take 4 years to get a kid on that waiting list. Unwanted? Try again.
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
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Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 Maybe we should be questioning the adoption policy~ The list is quite real, people have to go out of country to adopt often enough. Have a good day, and bless your heart hun~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives says: t but if you think some how just killing it solves the problem fine then.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glad you see it that way...... its fine for 40 MILLION women a yr.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives says: So I ask you when is it not ok to kill an unwanted child? After birth? In a year, when is it not ok?
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OMG....If i had known you were a child AND ignorant, I never wold have posted to you....BYE
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 "OMG....If i had known you were a child AND ignorant, I never wold have posted to you....BYE" You see SiriusSurvives, she doesn't have the mental capacity to answer any serious questions. Any question that require any thought, whatsoever, she can't. You see, you pose that question, and she responds by insulting you, and refuses to answer because she can't. All she can do is refer to the little notepad in her head with the obvious, shallow, prochoice responses. We've heard it all.
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen ^.^ Ahh quite~ And to your other post I've been saying that one for ages, they don't have an actual answer. *shrugs*They've very simply run out of logic "NO MORE UNWANTED KIDS" (Is that logic?) And have stopped repeating themselves and resorted to insults.
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 A child and ignorant? I very simply don't swear on the internet because I personally feel that as anyone has access to this younger or otherwise I should keep it clean. Again here my morals, keep me from making myself seem like a selfish fool who enjoys telling us life isn't worth living it and if its legal and 40million people do it, it must be fine. I fail to see your logic. I'm sorry I'm not swearing at you and insulting you personally I guess thats your forte' huh?
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives If 40 million people do it/have done it, that is/was their choice. Why force 40 million women to produce kids they desperately do not want, can not care for, are a health risk, etc. if they don't want to? Where would these 40 million unwanted kids turn to? Many of our social programs are full and people slip through the cracks and are denied their rights in the millions as it is..It's not that "their life isn't worth living.." bc it doesn't come to that, if they are never born.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred No. I will say this very simply, life is always worth being given. Yeah the world ain't perfect but I think that death doesn't ever solve anything. And I am truly sorry that you believe death is a solution, that its just a fetus. Unwanted or not I believe that we still have the right to life, I believe that everyone always should be given the chance to be born. Its just sad, that people kill people, and its not even looked down upon in this society. Not even illegal~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives I hate to be the one to break it to you, but death is something we will all face, it's an inevitable event. There are worse things than death, which is simply a natural part of life. People kill people every day, it's true, and I am so sick of hearing of the seemingly mounting cases of abuse against kids. Why the hell would I believe unborn should have fucking rights when millions of children, in our own communities, are abused and denied basic rights every day?
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives You say, very simply, the same thing over and over, but can't answer any of my questions to you? Where's the sense in getting stuck on a basic point and not considering the consequences or outcomes of your belief? Where would millions of unwanted kids go? How should girls/women be punished for not wanting to be mothers or not being privileged enough to support dependents? How is ignoring the population crisis, economic, etc. going to help anyone? Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred You do as well. I know the consequences. I have seen 16 year old kids go through with pregnancies work 3 jobs and raise there kid, and they don't regret it. I respect them more then anyone who has an abortion.If you are saying every abortion would have otherwise led to abuse then you are frankly wrong. If it wasn't legal people would cope, or they'd go across seas and do it but they'd have to think about it. Heck they'd have to tell their /parents/.
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives I've seen young girls raise kids, and young girls get abortions. Both are human and worthy of support and respect. We make decisions that are appropriate for our circumstances. Not everyone is leading the same life or has the same abilities or support! Just because some 16 year olds raise kids doesn't mean every 16, 26 or 36 year old is capable of doing so. It's simply fact that unwanted kids are more often abused and neglected that children that were planned and wanted.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred I see people struggle every day and make it, I know I don't understand but I see reason to believe that it can be done. 16 year olds can be mums, or they can adopt their KID out. But in getting pregnant at whatever age don't you owe that fetus the chance to live? This is America, and while it ain't perfect here but I believe that everyone has a chance maybe its naive to think that humanity is good and that lifes worth living but I see proof everyday~ So sue me.
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives I think you're noble in having faith in humanity (and naive) & maybe your heart is in the right place. I also think you're unjustly judgemental of peoples personal predicaments who make the decision to abort. In third world countries, where women are not provided with birth control or abortions, millions of people are starving to death, including little babies, while their population increases. We see the effects of denying women rights over their bodies, and should learn from it
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives I see people struggle everyday who don't make it. Why can't you consider everyone instead of some? "Adopting their kid out" sounds like an easy way out, but it's more difficult than you obviously think. Girls who can't even afford prenatal health care, or can't supply consent from BOTH parents, may not have that option. And some people don't want to produce kids they can't care for. That's their choice. And no one "owes" anything to their fetus, unless they choose to give birth.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives Aborting a fetus PREVENTS it from developing into a born child. If someone births a child, they're responsible (or should be) for caring for it. If they KNOW they cannot support a(nother) dependant and choose to terminate the pregnancy, they're doing what they feel is right for themselves and/or other dependants in their personal situation. Abortions aren't fun or glamorous, but they're a personal right and choice, and the women getting them are the ones living w/ thier decisions
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred So abortion should be justifiable because if not there's a chance they might be thrown in dumpsters in the future... So should black babies from the south in the 50s be aborted or killed because there's a chance they might get lynched in the future?
zathen 6 months ago
@zathen So abortion should be justifiable because if not there's a chance they might be thrown in dumpsters in the future
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is legal ..NO justification necessary, and of course it is justifible if the parent knows it will NOT live the positive life style it DESERVES, and if you think they should be born, then youre a child abuser.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 Oh yes! Because its legal it must be just fine and dandy! Lets all go have abortions cos its LEGAL. Don't let the government fool yah, this is a life we are talking about thanks~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives says: Because its legal it must be just fine and dandy!
~~~~~~~~~~~ Its fine and dandy even if its illegal.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 Huh, see I'd have to disagree, obviously. Its never 'Fine and Dandy' to end a life~ Its not ok and its really not alright~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
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@SiriusSurvives ays: Don't let the government fool yah, this is a life we are talking about thanks~
~~~~~~~~~~~ Sweetie, I dont let probirthers fool me. There is NO life there, in the realm of everything that denotes our humanbeingness. Your childish ideas are are founded on the irrational, IMAGERY of a baby in your arms. it is a "what if?", hypothetical mindset. Thats defined as not being comprehensible in terms of normal mental processes.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@zathen First of all, I don't believe in time machines, so I can't travel back to the 50s in any case, so I'm not even going to touch that one..Second of all, if a woman would rather harm herself or infant than be a mother, why the hell shouldn't she be able to choose to not give birth? You may enjoy child abuse, but I do not, it disgusts me.
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
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@loathedanabhorred says: !People abandon their own babies in dumpsters, toilets..and no one knows of or cares for that child that dies. How's that better than abortion? How can a poor unwanted, abused or abandoned baby be better off born?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Applause, applause!!
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred I care.
Artsyliz 6 months ago
@Artsyliz That's great that you claim to care, but if you don't have a solution in dealing with the millions of people who're already born & have no one to care for them, why fight for more unwanted fetuses to develop into more unwanted people? Abolishing women's rights to health care & life choices is simply aiming for a lowered standard of living in developed countries; where's the sense in that? Everyone's quality of life suffers with overpopulation & millions of unwanted, uncared for people
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 Okay, I see what you mean now. You don't value anything that doesn't have materialistic evidence of that which you might find important according to your own realm of moral laws which you have skillfully crafted to conform and comply with whatever you want. Right. So people aren't important unless other people are involved? Or wait a second, they're only important because they have a brain? They're the same as useless rats? Until SOMEONE else cares?
Artsyliz 6 months ago
@jo3jo3221 says: I was the one in poverty in ny. I was a drunk high latin king in foster care and I am now an emt in college for nursing after time in the military and with a family so what are you trying to say
~~~~~~~~~~ they are probably trying to say that one god damned person does NOT a statistic make!! Learn what stats are and how they work, "college boy""...lol
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@Sueezee1 'Scuse me. But are you saying that we should look at frexing statistics to decide if someone should be allowed to live? Thats a load of rubbish if every kid who was almost aborted turned out terrible I believe that abortion should still be illegal because it is no ones choice who should live and who should die. And I guess here are morals will never be the same~
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives So you believe that abortion should be illegal; then what do you suppose a proper punishment should be for a girl or woman who can't care for another human so gets an abortion? What would you have done to these women for breaking the law??
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
@loathedanabhorred Seeing as I'm not in particular part of the government I can't really decide that, but seeing as abortion is the taking away a life of a child~ What do you think?
SiriusSurvives 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives I didn't ask whether you have the power to change the laws!!! I know you don't.. I asked your own personal opinion, what do you think should be done to women or girls who have abortions? How should they be punished? Why do you skirt the question to ask what I think? You already know what I think! If you somehow hadn't guessed, I believe in choice!
loathedanabhorred 6 months ago
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@SiriusSurvives says: t are you saying that we should look at frexing statistics
~~~~~~~~~~ Youre not smart enough to fast talk me sweetie,....I was talking about giivng all the" fucking" information that decided the outcome of a stat.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@SiriusSurvives says: because it is no ones choice who should live and who should die.
~~~~~~~~~~ Did you sleep through R v W....YES, sweeite,. It was decided years ago that we had a choice. Try the library or learn to word your comments to come out as you wanted them to..lolol
Sueezee1 6 months ago
@loathedandabhorred im not againsed womens rights im for the babies rights. If I was againsed womens rights would I give my wife full controll over all household jobs and sign my paycheck over to her every week and not govern where the money goes ?
jo3jo3221 7 months ago
@jo3jo3221 How can you be "for babies rights" if you don't care what unwanted kids may go through? Merely fighting for more people to be born doesn't benefit anyone, there are enough kids being abused and neglected, enough sitting in foster homes, living in poverty. Taking women's rights over their lives and bodies away from them, would be against women. It really has nothing to do with you and your wife. Getting knocked up doesn't magically transform someone into being able to care for a kid.
loathedandabhorred 7 months ago
prolifers are so ineffective. if they really want to stop abortions, they should just push contraception and sex ed. but ironically, prolifers usually arent advocates of the very thing necessary to reduce abortions. abortion is not going to be outlawed in your life times--not in the usa--so, you can get that dream out of your head.
Pelonetillo 7 months ago
@Pelonetillo Ineffective? Why is the abortion rate far lower in state with large pro-life populations? Accurate sex-ed is a good thing. That said, why does NYC (which has given out free contraception for years) have the highest abortion rate in the US? Did you know that many nations including Ireland have no abortion? Did you know that half of all abortions are performed on people who were using a contraceptive when they got pregnant?
LiveActionFilms 7 months ago 5
lol, you kinda answered your own question. why would there be fewer abortions among people who oppose abortion? hmmm... thats a tough one. to reduce pregnancy, you need sex ed and contraceptives. thats pretty much all you can do. abortion bans wont happen. abstinence wont happen.
Pelonetillo 7 months ago
@Pelonetillo If Ireland could end abortion why can't the US?
LiveActionFilms 7 months ago 2
different laws. need to amend the constitution to stop abortion here. not gonna happen.
Pelonetillo 7 months ago
@LiveActionFilms Hmmm, why would people doing everything they can to avoid pregnancy in the first place choose to terminate an unexpected, unwanted pregnancy? That's a tough one. Even for a dimwitted pretty face like yourself. Instead of blindly speaking against women's rights, take a look at third world nations where women aren't valued and don't have rights. Why would you want a lowered standard of living for people in developed countries??
loathedandabhorred 7 months ago