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in order to be a good fighter you need to know both stand up and ground fighting. that is why after 4 years of hard core stand up training i went to the ground...
and you veiwers will see why kung fu is not the best fighting style. The ground is where fights end up. and its tough to get up out of a guard. I do believe that a combination of ground and stand up is the best. Praying mantis is great - i suppose. But i don't know what you will use it with. As you can see here the guy that the 'sensei' is performing these moves on is not trying to escape or anything. if this was a fight he is as useless as a foam person. He moves all over the
First of all, this was a training seminar nitwit, not a fight club. Secondly, most of these concepts at the time had not been seen or taught to any of us atending, so your observation that Mr. Hu's demo partner isn't fighting back is irrelevant. Thirdly, As an attendee of this particular seminar, as well as a third-generation student of Master Hu's, I can tell you that at 200+ plus pounds, this man can toss you around like a rag doll whether you "let" him or not.
attempted the arm bar. The arm bar did not work as planned and he tried to stand up. I stayed on the ground for I am comfortable on the ground. He doesn't know ground fighting... kung fu isn't a good teacher of it. He tried to mount me but was surprised when I had him in my guard. from hear i was able to preform the triangle choke. he broke free but i some how got on his back where i did the rear naked choke. the fight was over....
i guess what i am trying to say is type in on youtube...
Fourthly, I agree that the vast majority of chinese fighting arts do have a ground game. This is because for the most part that in feudal China, fighting and rolling around on the ground was seen as distatsteful. However, your assertion that the "ground iis where all fights end up" is only partially correct. I mean, are you seriously going to try to submit someone on the street? What if you're opponent foils you're attempt at shooting for a double-leg takedown
@BrianBattaglino In real life situations often you have to deal with few opponents at the same time. In this case ground fighting will decrease you your chances for winning to zero. That's why most of Chinese styles don't pay too much attention to ground fighting.
Actually there is ground fighting and grappling, BUT these techniques which look similar to Jujitsu because it was it's orgin are only used to get back off the ground. Most grappling in real life fighting styles without a mat do not focus too much on ground because whoever got the takedown would win. If you pick someone up using Shuai Jiao (Chinese grappling) and slam them on the sidewalk... The fight is over, there's not really any ground fighting, the slam will win the fight lol
Im not hear to talk shit about Praying Mantis. My brother takes it and he has been taking it for quiet some time. I'm a fighter as well. I took Full contact Japanese Karate and I take BJJ. my brother and I got into a pretty heavy sparing mach and im not trying to act like the cocky little brother but i beat him. He gave me a kick and I blocked it and pushed his leg to the side so he was off balance. I shot in on him - took him to the ground - and mounted him. I preformed chokes on him.... and
Further, you can't assume that just because someone has had kung fu training that they haven't cross-trained in other styles, including BJJ, as would seem appropriate given its popularity.
As for Praying Mantis Boxing, it might seem quaint and esoteric to you, my friend, but I can assure you that played with skill, it can be formidable and deadly.
The point is, a martial artist should be well-rounded; but to assume that all fights end up in a choke is just childish.
Jake! It's good to see you getting thrown around! This is Nick from your Albuquerque days - now living in British Columbia, CA. If you're still in Seattle, maybe I'll drop in sometime! Keep up the good vids!
stuff like this makes me laugh. i could wax that little man with one hand. this is detrimental to the true arts and to the naive out of shape people who belive this hocum.
That little man would wax you.You're just another internet warrior claiming "I would do this,I could do that,blah,blah".Its always would and could.Why don't you post your "true arts" video.
i quite like this, it seems alot less formalised and restrictive and the techniques seem to hold some water i would train with him to improve some aspects of my game, and mix it in with my boxing and wrestling etc
the man could obviously not take down a pro fighter but it could compliment my training quite well i thik
I went to this man's seminar. Yes he can do this in real life. Yes, it works even if you resist. Yes, I tried to resist. No, resisting did not work. Yes, he is clearly he is teaching a seminar and not fighting for his life. Yes, that should be obvious even to a fighting noob. Yes, he would win the fight. No, I don't expect most mma people to believe that.
In the ring with all the rules or on the street in a real fight? I'm not sure why people think they are the same. MMA is great, but its a sport. Kung fu was used for over 2000 years to fight wars. If you lost, you were dead. There was no ref to stop the fight just b/c you got kicked someplace you didn't like. At the end of 3 minutes, you had hundreds more people to fight, so you better not be tired. In short, quit talking about mma likes its real fighting. They're atheletes. The end.
I suppose the only spear technique was to stab and then stand there? These are techniques. Sparring is different, and street fighting is different still. Having more than just a left jab to follow up a right hook is what traditional martial arts is about. No technique will work in every situation, but without technique you're just swinging blindly. Sadly, most martial arts schools rarely focus on physical conditioning and fighting and WHEN to use different techniques.
yup i took some privates with him, mantis is very viscious, lots of eye jabs, strikes to the throat and nuts plus the throws of Shuai Jiao, learn this plus some ground techniques and you can defend yourself
Liuhe does use the hook, just not as much as other systems of mantis
Hu Xi Lin is a student of Pu En Fu, not li Ba Ru.
If you doubt his abilities, we would be happy to show you in person. The reason the "second guy is not resisting" is because it was a seminar, not a street fight.
can anyone explain the third cut? i don't see what's going on w/ that wrist lock, it looks like he's locking both wrists of the other guy, 1 w/ each hand, but i could be wrong.
F.Y.I: this is a demonstration held in New Mexico. What persented here is techinques and applications of praying mantis boxing and Chin Na. If this is a real life fighting, the fight will be over in seconds.
That's Hu Xi Lin, he's skills with chinna and shuai jiao are very real. He's a student of Ma Han Qing in Six Harmony Mantis, and a student of Pu En Fu in shuai jiao.
why don't you go show him he couldn't do it in real life? He probably wouldn't even bother with you until you pushed too far-and you'd never see it coming.
(You can always tell who has never trained in a martial art on these boards...)
For your information, Master Hu has trained with Pu En Fu and that's the truth. Master Hu is very skillful and he doesn't need to use his teachers' legacies to promote his own image. I hope I can clarify this to you。Only a person with good virtue would understand to respect the masters of older generation, and you certainly do not understand this.
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universetechnique 2 years ago
place and has no balance.
in order to be a good fighter you need to know both stand up and ground fighting. that is why after 4 years of hard core stand up training i went to the ground...
-blessings
omgthisisour1year 2 years ago
bjj vs. kungfu
and you veiwers will see why kung fu is not the best fighting style. The ground is where fights end up. and its tough to get up out of a guard. I do believe that a combination of ground and stand up is the best. Praying mantis is great - i suppose. But i don't know what you will use it with. As you can see here the guy that the 'sensei' is performing these moves on is not trying to escape or anything. if this was a fight he is as useless as a foam person. He moves all over the
omgthisisour1year 2 years ago
@omgthisisour1year
First of all, this was a training seminar nitwit, not a fight club. Secondly, most of these concepts at the time had not been seen or taught to any of us atending, so your observation that Mr. Hu's demo partner isn't fighting back is irrelevant. Thirdly, As an attendee of this particular seminar, as well as a third-generation student of Master Hu's, I can tell you that at 200+ plus pounds, this man can toss you around like a rag doll whether you "let" him or not.
BrianBattaglino 1 year ago
attempted the arm bar. The arm bar did not work as planned and he tried to stand up. I stayed on the ground for I am comfortable on the ground. He doesn't know ground fighting... kung fu isn't a good teacher of it. He tried to mount me but was surprised when I had him in my guard. from hear i was able to preform the triangle choke. he broke free but i some how got on his back where i did the rear naked choke. the fight was over....
i guess what i am trying to say is type in on youtube...
omgthisisour1year 2 years ago
@omgthisisour1year
Fourthly, I agree that the vast majority of chinese fighting arts do have a ground game. This is because for the most part that in feudal China, fighting and rolling around on the ground was seen as distatsteful. However, your assertion that the "ground iis where all fights end up" is only partially correct. I mean, are you seriously going to try to submit someone on the street? What if you're opponent foils you're attempt at shooting for a double-leg takedown
BrianBattaglino 1 year ago
@BrianBattaglino In real life situations often you have to deal with few opponents at the same time. In this case ground fighting will decrease you your chances for winning to zero. That's why most of Chinese styles don't pay too much attention to ground fighting.
disperse81 8 months ago
Actually there is ground fighting and grappling, BUT these techniques which look similar to Jujitsu because it was it's orgin are only used to get back off the ground. Most grappling in real life fighting styles without a mat do not focus too much on ground because whoever got the takedown would win. If you pick someone up using Shuai Jiao (Chinese grappling) and slam them on the sidewalk... The fight is over, there's not really any ground fighting, the slam will win the fight lol
GuamKomudo 8 months ago
Im not hear to talk shit about Praying Mantis. My brother takes it and he has been taking it for quiet some time. I'm a fighter as well. I took Full contact Japanese Karate and I take BJJ. my brother and I got into a pretty heavy sparing mach and im not trying to act like the cocky little brother but i beat him. He gave me a kick and I blocked it and pushed his leg to the side so he was off balance. I shot in on him - took him to the ground - and mounted him. I preformed chokes on him.... and
omgthisisour1year 2 years ago
@omgthisisour1year
Further, you can't assume that just because someone has had kung fu training that they haven't cross-trained in other styles, including BJJ, as would seem appropriate given its popularity.
As for Praying Mantis Boxing, it might seem quaint and esoteric to you, my friend, but I can assure you that played with skill, it can be formidable and deadly.
The point is, a martial artist should be well-rounded; but to assume that all fights end up in a choke is just childish.
BrianBattaglino 1 year ago
Jake! It's good to see you getting thrown around! This is Nick from your Albuquerque days - now living in British Columbia, CA. If you're still in Seattle, maybe I'll drop in sometime! Keep up the good vids!
nogginbonker 3 years ago
Its always the person who talk the most crap that have nothing to show themselves.Post something of your own (something thats you)
shengchenfan 3 years ago
Mantis will fuck you up!!!!!!
zagpe1 4 years ago 5
Sloppy crappy shit!
tapthis 4 years ago
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stuff like this makes me laugh. i could wax that little man with one hand. this is detrimental to the true arts and to the naive out of shape people who belive this hocum.
justinkennethmail 4 years ago
That little man would wax you.You're just another internet warrior claiming "I would do this,I could do that,blah,blah".Its always would and could.Why don't you post your "true arts" video.
whfmantis 4 years ago 8
i quite like this, it seems alot less formalised and restrictive and the techniques seem to hold some water i would train with him to improve some aspects of my game, and mix it in with my boxing and wrestling etc
the man could obviously not take down a pro fighter but it could compliment my training quite well i thik
good vid (y)
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I went to this man's seminar. Yes he can do this in real life. Yes, it works even if you resist. Yes, I tried to resist. No, resisting did not work. Yes, he is clearly he is teaching a seminar and not fighting for his life. Yes, that should be obvious even to a fighting noob. Yes, he would win the fight. No, I don't expect most mma people to believe that.
bozobarnum 5 years ago
yes but would he win a fight against an mma guy ?
probably not
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
In the ring with all the rules or on the street in a real fight? I'm not sure why people think they are the same. MMA is great, but its a sport. Kung fu was used for over 2000 years to fight wars. If you lost, you were dead. There was no ref to stop the fight just b/c you got kicked someplace you didn't like. At the end of 3 minutes, you had hundreds more people to fight, so you better not be tired. In short, quit talking about mma likes its real fighting. They're atheletes. The end.
bozobarnum 4 years ago
its still more real than what this guuy does
wars were not fought with kung fu they were fought with infantry spears cavalry and generals etc
kungfufreddy 4 years ago
I suppose the only spear technique was to stab and then stand there? These are techniques. Sparring is different, and street fighting is different still. Having more than just a left jab to follow up a right hook is what traditional martial arts is about. No technique will work in every situation, but without technique you're just swinging blindly. Sadly, most martial arts schools rarely focus on physical conditioning and fighting and WHEN to use different techniques.
bozobarnum 4 years ago
It depends on which wars you were fighting. If you were fighting them in China then your spear techniques WERE kung fu. Dork.
urgurathuzon 3 years ago
yup i took some privates with him, mantis is very viscious, lots of eye jabs, strikes to the throat and nuts plus the throws of Shuai Jiao, learn this plus some ground techniques and you can defend yourself
Tianshanwarrior 4 years ago
Liuhe does use the hook, just not as much as other systems of mantis
Hu Xi Lin is a student of Pu En Fu, not li Ba Ru.
If you doubt his abilities, we would be happy to show you in person. The reason the "second guy is not resisting" is because it was a seminar, not a street fight.
threeharmonies 5 years ago
Does 6 Harmonies Mantis use the famous mantis hook?
Tazz77 5 years ago
can anyone explain the third cut? i don't see what's going on w/ that wrist lock, it looks like he's locking both wrists of the other guy, 1 w/ each hand, but i could be wrong.
ace52387 5 years ago
LOL his Chi is evident...
Bellnog 5 years ago
If this is just a Chin na demo. i would like to see more 6 harmonies striking.
treydog999 5 years ago
Wow, ive never seen Six Harmonies Praying Mantis, not bad video.
tazzee 5 years ago
this is retarded, that small dude wouldn't be able to do that in real life. that 2nd guy didn't even do anything, he let him beat him up.
utubexstruckxhoe 5 years ago
F.Y.I: this is a demonstration held in New Mexico. What persented here is techinques and applications of praying mantis boxing and Chin Na. If this is a real life fighting, the fight will be over in seconds.
sixharmoniesmantis 5 years ago 2
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ashwix 5 years ago
That's Hu Xi Lin, he's skills with chinna and shuai jiao are very real. He's a student of Ma Han Qing in Six Harmony Mantis, and a student of Pu En Fu in shuai jiao.
sinkpoint 5 years ago
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ashwix 5 years ago
He is 8th generation under Wang Lang, and the student of Master Ma Han Qing and Pu En Fu
sixharmoniesmantis 5 years ago
why don't you go show him he couldn't do it in real life? He probably wouldn't even bother with you until you pushed too far-and you'd never see it coming.
(You can always tell who has never trained in a martial art on these boards...)
beihou 5 years ago
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ashwix 5 years ago
For your information, Master Hu has trained with Pu En Fu and that's the truth. Master Hu is very skillful and he doesn't need to use his teachers' legacies to promote his own image. I hope I can clarify this to you。Only a person with good virtue would understand to respect the masters of older generation, and you certainly do not understand this.
sixharmoniesmantis 5 years ago
thats very impressive
littlephoenix1115 5 years ago