@sesshy34 And believe me, that's all you've got to know. I'm telling that because I'm actually studying Quran. And... that's no good. I've studied Christianity also, but not judaism yet. I follow Vedic teachings personnaly. But Islam is more alarming than anything else, what we see in the world of today proves it.
@SharikTheReal This accusation confuses me. At their best, when Muslims claim that "There is no god but Allah" they are claiming that they are not Allah, their imam is not Allah. What they claim is that only Allah is the Truth. They are not the Truth; their understanding of the Qur'an is not the Truth. Allah is the Truth. As with adherents of all religious traditions, there are Muslims who confuse themselves with God, but they contradict the Islamic truth that "There is no god but Allah."
To be honest, I understand everything i need to know about Islam with just one sentence that every Muslim says - "There is no other God but Allah".
That arrogant sentence right there is enough to tell me Islam is a Religion that claims to be Superior and insulting other Religions and their teachings and Gods by claiming them wrong.
Also, Muhammad destroyed the Idols at Mecca, enough proof for me to see how tolerant Islam is about other beliefs and Ideas...
1. You mention that calls to violence are present in all religious texts. Show me some in the Pali Canon (one of the oldest world religions, Buddhism), the Shauraseni (Jainism), or even the Upanishads (Advaitic Hinduism).
2. The Quran is a litany is dehumanization of non-believers. Surah after surah of how the non-believers will suffer, how sub-human they are for Allah has blinded them, etc.
3. Qital is ordained for you, you *MAY* not like it. Which means, you just as might.
@geodesicks Thanks for this. I'll have to look more into the Pali Canon, the Shauraseni, and Upanishads. I would hope that if they really did not have a call to violence (which you may be right) and you have read them, that they would have influenced you to not use such violent speech. You accuse the Qur'an of dehumanizing people, yet you use the term "Bronze Age garbage." Do you not dehumanize people as well? Or are you somehow justified?
@raventelevision : The Quran is a piece of text. It is not a human being. Therefore it cannot be dehumanized. Any idea, religious ones included, can and should be criticized robustly in order to separate the grain from the chaff. And in my understanding of Islam, there is some grain of truth in Sufism, but the rest of Islam is chaff. Vile and dangerous chaff.
I have problems when people are called sub-human. I have no problems with ideas being blasted with criticism. That is the way forward.
@geodesicks I agree that we should critique texts. We should not be afraid to give positive and negative critiques of texts that belong to us and that belong to others. It is easy to point out the problems in other texts, but I find it much more interesting to find what is good in other texts. For example, the Qur'an starts each chapter with some variant of "In the name of God, the Most Merciful, Most Compassionate." To me, that's pretty good grain.
@raventelevision : You were comparing my criticism of the Quran with its dehumanization of human beings. I was just reminding you that critiquing ideas is not the same as dehumanizing sentient humans.
"In the name of God, the Most Merciful, Most Compassionate." -- I think it is an insult to human intelligence to imagine a celestial dictatorship. I can do without your damaging Bronze Age superstitions and seek to understand the world empirically, thank you.
@raventelevision : It seems a childish lens tinged with a lack of confidence in one's own intelligence or moral compass with which to view the world. It numbs both the intellect and is a very slippery slope to moral stagnation and decay. The Dark Ages, to the current state of the Islamic world which seems indistinguishable from a personality cult, stands a testament to that. I would rather grow up, thinking for myself, and would've been sad if there was shred of *evidence* for said dictatorship.
@geodesicks I would agree with Nietzsche who postulated that when we kill God we become gods unto ourselves. When that happens, we take our own individual or communal desires over and against others. If we believe the ultimate source of the universe is aMerciful and Compassionate God, we hopefully will begin to act more mercifully and compassionately. I won't get into an match of accusations of who is being more "childish", but I do hope that we both might become more merciful and compassionate.
@raventelevision : To suggest that one may believe in something because it helps us live better or feel comforted as a society and not because there is evidence for it seems a fundamental treachery to intellectual integrity. If there's no sufficient evidence for it we cannot believe it. If there is, we should. And if the evidence is grainy, we should suspend judgement. But we cannot say "I believe the sky is pink (or insert dogma here) because it makes me live better."
@geodesicks Agreed. But Judaism, Christianity, and Islam don't provide much comfort. They look at the way the world is, and push us to behave in a more compassionate and merciful manner. They each encourage the rich to care for the poor, the vulnerable, and the outcasts of society. "Reason" alone might have us follow another path - a social survival of the fittest. But these religions say we must care for our fellow human beings. That to me is evidence something transcendent is motivating them.
@raventelevision : They provide comfort by giving one a very clear picture of where one fits into the world, inaccurate as it may be, without one having had to figure this out for oneself. Once you start to yank the underpinnings of religion from under the feet of a religious but intelligent person, you'll notice a discomfort bordering on despair set in. The fact that you can identify compassion, mercy and charity as good stuff in religion means you have a moral compass external to it.
@raventelevision : The biggest philanthropists in the world today are not religious. Morality is not reasoned. It has evolved by natural selection and the steps in its evolution can be traced in animals that live under social conditions like territorial fishes to chimpanzees and bonobos. They don't come from religion, they are ENCODED in religions for future generations to pick them up quickly without having to relive the evolutionary pressures that got us to those principles.
@geodesicks Yes. Archaic religion used sacrifice as a way to conrol violence. Focus a little bit of violence onto a perons or animal and that will bring temporary peace. The Judeo-Christian tradition challenges the idea of a sacrifice of violence and says we must find another way. This is seen ultimately in Jesus, who invites us into communities based not on the reconciliation that comes from violence, but the only true reconciliation that comes from love.
Talk about ignoring history. For the west islamic terrorism is 10years old. For other places it is centuries old. One needs to realize how muh Islam vilifies unbelievers and describes detailed punishments for them.
@Ramshobraja Thanks for this comment. Unfortunately, violence plagues not only Islamic history, but all of human history. I would argue one needs to realize how much of human history is plagued by the vilification of one another in order to justify violence. Islam doesn't hold a monopoly on that. A religion of any worth both acknowledges complicity in violence and challenges our justifications of violence. Islam justifies violence in self-defence, not against unbelievers wholesale.
@MichaelinDenmark Hi there. I hear that you are upset. For argument's sake, let's just assume you have good reason to be. How should we respond? Do you think violent words and violent actions are appropriate and productive?
I think you are shooting yourself in the foot by leaving the message you do. Muslims are the one who belive in violence. They don´t think twice in killing innocent people.
So to answer your question: YES - I believe the world would be a better place without Muslims on this planet. They are like rats, and should be exterminated.
its not fighting.. its juhaaaadd and jihad should not be translated as fighting, maybe you have to learn some real arabic before talking about kuran... may allah guide us the stgraight path
@bikoshh Thanks for the comment. Isn't there the primary jihad, which refers to a spiritual struggle with the self, and the secondary jihad, which refers to a physical struggle of self defence with those who are trying to kill? That's what I've read from folks like Seyyed Hossein Nasr and Tariq Ramadan. Are they wrong?
Islam to me and to over 1.6 billion other muslims is the most precious gift in life, the only logical reason for existence.
we are pictured in the american and the israeli media as inherently violent to justify the crimes they do to us by dehumanizing us and to divert the issue that muslims are being killed by america and israel for over 50 years.
the war in palestine, afghanistan, iraq is terrorism packed and stamped democracy .
thank you for checking the facts about islam and peace to you.
@bensorah Thanks for the comment! This is such a difficult issue. I think it's easy for us to fall into a cycle of accusations, so that we are stuck in a habit of dehumanizing one another. I pray for the day we move beying this and fall into the habit of love and peace.
i got only love to you and to everyone else in the world, i don't hold you accounted for what your government is doing and you don't hold me accounted for my government's actions or for the actions of someone who lost all hope and his mind too.
i truly wish your country has a good president because it will be good for the whole world.
see some of Noam Chomsky on youtube and let me know what you think.
Well meant, Raven, but you don't really clear up, solve or remedy anything in the long run if you deliberately shut your eyes to the terrorist aspects of Muhammad's message. M exhorts to war against those who refuse to pay taxes to his hordes, he orders the cowardly assassination of political opponents according to several hadiths, he has all the men and boys of a Jewish village massacred, after they surrendered (according to the first Muslim biographies) plus the Q is venomously antisemitic!
There was no point in trying to reply to the video of Why Islam.
That video is nothing but a cheap marketing trick if u look at it with critical eye.
He even claims to come from a scientific background. Which HOW in fucking hell is that even possible?
You can only come from an idealistic background (conservative, christian, liberal, atheist) scientific background? he's what a professor? His claim is stupid.
The rest of the vid is just creating doubt but clarity for islam. Figure that
&thanks' 4 UR Devotion 2 explain the miss understanding that I saw in some or the replays .
but 1 Q ..about prophet Jesse when U said he is the judge ,did U mean the judge 4 haven and hill?
if U meant that then UR mistaken .4 us Muslim Jesse never died ,God razed him 2 be by his side &later before the last day the day of judgment when the world is in a mess God will bring him down 2 Earth 2 lead the Muslims and spread peace .
Hi Asma! Thanks for your responses, and for correcting that point of misunderstanding. I got it from a Persian-American scholar named Seyyed Hossein Nasr, who states in his book "The Heart of Islam" that Islam shares the eschatological outlook as Christians. I assumed that meant Jesus would be the one who judges on Judgement Day, but apparently it's not that simple. Thanks again for your kind comments.
Mercy compassion is for muslims only, not for the unbelievers. The quran endorses violence against unbelievers:
"Allah's Apostle said, I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And whoever says: None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' waves his wealth and his life from me unless he deserves a legal punishment; Bukhari 9:92:388
Thanks for this. I think it's a bit more complicated than you suggest. The Qur'an states, "If they cease hostilities, there can be no further hostilities, except toward aggressors" (2:193). The point is not converting the aggressors, but for Muslims to freely devote themselves to God. It's about persecution. Early Muslims were peacful with Hindus. "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). Hadith states, "Allah has no mercy on him who is not merciful to men." So, be merciful to all men.
Sure, the quran is inherently self-contradictory. But, the latest revelations overrule the earlier peacaful verses.
Surah 2, Verse 102: Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allâh is able to do all things?
Now you seem to be a good man and I hope you find a peaceful Islam, but I don't think it's possible. Islam is a warrior's religion...
I do pray that God guides me to the right path. The Qur'an confirms the revelations that came earlier. It is in continuity with Jesus. What do we know about Jesus? At the least, we know he forgave sinners, even before they asked. This made many religious authorities upset. The Qur'an's message of God's Mercy and Grace is that God is Merciful beyond our understanding of mercy and Gracious beyond our understanding of grace. Surah 39:53, "Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins."
Subhanallah... dear brother... Quran says, "Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins" ... how can you mis qoute when it clearly states 'Allah'? I appreciate your knowledge about Islam but you have misunderstood many.. how can you diffrenciate good and bad if all the sins are already forgiven? Is that justice?doesn't the quran say its the last revelation from god? doesnt it speak about Injeel and torah?
why do a lot of christians revert to Islam??? can all those people(scientists, scholars etc) be wrong?? There are a lot of scientific errors in the bible( which christian scholars agree), but why is there no single error in the Quran? bcoz its from Allah and he has said Quran will be protected from manipulation till the day of judgement..
Oh, there are lot's of errors and discrepancies in the quran. The quran even admitts this, read again:
2:206: Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
Why does Allah need to improve his revelations? Because they are not perfect! Therefore, Allah is not infallible. The author of the quran is no infallible god...
yep christianity gave us Hitler, KKK, Racism, slave trade, The Crusades and Catholic Priests, Islam gave us Algebra, Hospitals, Astronomy and 700 years of piecfull rule between muslims, christians and jews
We all have our violent past that we must deal with. If we hide from our violent past, we will hide from our violent present. Christians and Muslims continue to use violence. What's the solution to our violence?
Yes, He did say that. And I totally agree. Here is my honest question: Is the Logos (the Word of God in John 1) confined to the person Jesus, or is the Logos free to reveal God's plan of redemption in other places? If not, how do we interpret John 10:16, "there are other sheep of mine, not belonging to this fold" and John 14:2, "There are many dwelling places in my Father's house". I think John's Logos Christology is open to God's presence in other places. Of course, I could be wrong.
"I say give me money" will you? probably not, my point being is that the bible has been changed, in fact many times, one proof is the new and old testaments, why is there two?
"err I don't know cause i felt that Christianity was the only true religion."
I salute your approach to Jihad..but disagree on your understanding of Jesus christ role in the Qu'ran. Yes, he will be there during Judgement day..all the prophets would be..Can you point more exactly as to which surah talks about Jesus standing in front of the gate to Heaven?
Thanks for this. See 4:159-explains Jesus' resurrection and that Jesus will judge the "People of the Book"-Jews, Christians, & Muslims. The verse does say Jesus will be a "witness against them." Now, the Quran is a confirmation of the previous Books (OT&NT),& this event is in continuity with MT 25. There is no person I'd rather have against me than the one who calls for loving your enemies and constant forgiveness. This is in continuity with God's Mercy&Compassion at begining of each surrah.
Also see "The Heart of Islam" by Seyyed Hossein Nasr. On page 246 he states, "Few in the West realize the central role that Christ plays in Islamic eschatology, just as he does in the Christian understanding of the last days."
Please make a video about the War in Irag. Or maybe just interventionist foreign policy in general? What does mimetic theory say about war? Is there room for a "Just War Theory" within the Girardian philosophy.
My friend, exactly the right questions to ask. MT says that war is never ordained by God. In this, MT gets its primary inspiration from the Bible, which has places where God seems to be ordaining violence. I allow myself the ability to reinterpret that violence thru the lens of the forgiving and merciful Christ. Can a Muslim reinterpret what seems to be divinely ordained violence thru the lens of God's Forgiveness and Mercy that is revealed at the beginning of 113 of 114 chapters of the Quran?
That's an important conversation that will only be stifled by projecting inherent violence on Islam. As for Girardian philosophy and Just War Theory, it depends on the Girardian. Some say war is never good, but sometimes necessary. Ill send you a link. There are Muslims who practice nonviolence. Two resources that might be helpful are: Google the online book Islam and Nonviolence. Also, my piece on Abdul Ghaffar Khan can be read on the Raven Foundation website under Exemplars. Peace.
Thanks for the comment. I fear that many Jews, Christians, and Muslims are caught in what mimetic theory calls a "mimetic rivalry" where we accuse one another of being something evil and completely "other." As you suggest, many don't want to believe in the good of the other. This might be b/c we are stuck in dualism, in believing we need someone to be "bad" for us to be "good." I hope/pray that we all have a conversion experience where we are open to seeing the beauty of the other.
Thanks for the important comment. I'm a Christian who believes God continues to speak in the world, and I find much of the Qu'ran consistent with God's revelation in Jesus. I belive God had much to do with the Quran, but, as a Christian, there are parts of the Qu'ran I respectfully disagree with. I'm open to hearing the critique of the Incarnation and the Trinity my Muslim friends/the Qur'an give and I hope they are open to hear what I believe is the beauty of the Incarnation and the Trinity.
Yes... muslims have said that on many occasions, unfortunately not everyone wants to believe that. Though it's good to hear that you want to believe this is how it is, and that you understand what the genie said "becareful what you wish for". Now you just need a few million views.
You know if it was inherently violent... surely it would be the most militerized civilization on the face of the planet?
@sesshy34 And believe me, that's all you've got to know. I'm telling that because I'm actually studying Quran. And... that's no good. I've studied Christianity also, but not judaism yet. I follow Vedic teachings personnaly. But Islam is more alarming than anything else, what we see in the world of today proves it.
SharikTheReal 1 year ago
@SharikTheReal This accusation confuses me. At their best, when Muslims claim that "There is no god but Allah" they are claiming that they are not Allah, their imam is not Allah. What they claim is that only Allah is the Truth. They are not the Truth; their understanding of the Qur'an is not the Truth. Allah is the Truth. As with adherents of all religious traditions, there are Muslims who confuse themselves with God, but they contradict the Islamic truth that "There is no god but Allah."
raventelevision 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA islam.
RAVEYedits 1 year ago
To be honest, I understand everything i need to know about Islam with just one sentence that every Muslim says - "There is no other God but Allah".
That arrogant sentence right there is enough to tell me Islam is a Religion that claims to be Superior and insulting other Religions and their teachings and Gods by claiming them wrong.
Also, Muhammad destroyed the Idols at Mecca, enough proof for me to see how tolerant Islam is about other beliefs and Ideas...
sesshy34 1 year ago
1. You mention that calls to violence are present in all religious texts. Show me some in the Pali Canon (one of the oldest world religions, Buddhism), the Shauraseni (Jainism), or even the Upanishads (Advaitic Hinduism).
2. The Quran is a litany is dehumanization of non-believers. Surah after surah of how the non-believers will suffer, how sub-human they are for Allah has blinded them, etc.
3. Qital is ordained for you, you *MAY* not like it. Which means, you just as might.
Bronze Age garbage.
geodesicks 1 year ago
@geodesicks Thanks for this. I'll have to look more into the Pali Canon, the Shauraseni, and Upanishads. I would hope that if they really did not have a call to violence (which you may be right) and you have read them, that they would have influenced you to not use such violent speech. You accuse the Qur'an of dehumanizing people, yet you use the term "Bronze Age garbage." Do you not dehumanize people as well? Or are you somehow justified?
raventelevision 1 year ago
@raventelevision : The Quran is a piece of text. It is not a human being. Therefore it cannot be dehumanized. Any idea, religious ones included, can and should be criticized robustly in order to separate the grain from the chaff. And in my understanding of Islam, there is some grain of truth in Sufism, but the rest of Islam is chaff. Vile and dangerous chaff.
I have problems when people are called sub-human. I have no problems with ideas being blasted with criticism. That is the way forward.
geodesicks 1 year ago
@geodesicks I agree that we should critique texts. We should not be afraid to give positive and negative critiques of texts that belong to us and that belong to others. It is easy to point out the problems in other texts, but I find it much more interesting to find what is good in other texts. For example, the Qur'an starts each chapter with some variant of "In the name of God, the Most Merciful, Most Compassionate." To me, that's pretty good grain.
raventelevision 1 year ago
@raventelevision : You were comparing my criticism of the Quran with its dehumanization of human beings. I was just reminding you that critiquing ideas is not the same as dehumanizing sentient humans.
"In the name of God, the Most Merciful, Most Compassionate." -- I think it is an insult to human intelligence to imagine a celestial dictatorship. I can do without your damaging Bronze Age superstitions and seek to understand the world empirically, thank you.
geodesicks 1 year ago
@geodesicks To me, a "celestial dictatorship" that is based on Mercy and Compassion seems like a pretty good lens through which to view the world.
But I do understand your hesitations and I wish you all the best in your search.
raventelevision 1 year ago
@raventelevision : It seems a childish lens tinged with a lack of confidence in one's own intelligence or moral compass with which to view the world. It numbs both the intellect and is a very slippery slope to moral stagnation and decay. The Dark Ages, to the current state of the Islamic world which seems indistinguishable from a personality cult, stands a testament to that. I would rather grow up, thinking for myself, and would've been sad if there was shred of *evidence* for said dictatorship.
geodesicks 1 year ago
@geodesicks I would agree with Nietzsche who postulated that when we kill God we become gods unto ourselves. When that happens, we take our own individual or communal desires over and against others. If we believe the ultimate source of the universe is aMerciful and Compassionate God, we hopefully will begin to act more mercifully and compassionately. I won't get into an match of accusations of who is being more "childish", but I do hope that we both might become more merciful and compassionate.
raventelevision 1 year ago
@raventelevision : To suggest that one may believe in something because it helps us live better or feel comforted as a society and not because there is evidence for it seems a fundamental treachery to intellectual integrity. If there's no sufficient evidence for it we cannot believe it. If there is, we should. And if the evidence is grainy, we should suspend judgement. But we cannot say "I believe the sky is pink (or insert dogma here) because it makes me live better."
geodesicks 1 year ago
@geodesicks Agreed. But Judaism, Christianity, and Islam don't provide much comfort. They look at the way the world is, and push us to behave in a more compassionate and merciful manner. They each encourage the rich to care for the poor, the vulnerable, and the outcasts of society. "Reason" alone might have us follow another path - a social survival of the fittest. But these religions say we must care for our fellow human beings. That to me is evidence something transcendent is motivating them.
raventelevision 1 year ago
@raventelevision : They provide comfort by giving one a very clear picture of where one fits into the world, inaccurate as it may be, without one having had to figure this out for oneself. Once you start to yank the underpinnings of religion from under the feet of a religious but intelligent person, you'll notice a discomfort bordering on despair set in. The fact that you can identify compassion, mercy and charity as good stuff in religion means you have a moral compass external to it.
geodesicks 1 year ago
@raventelevision : The biggest philanthropists in the world today are not religious. Morality is not reasoned. It has evolved by natural selection and the steps in its evolution can be traced in animals that live under social conditions like territorial fishes to chimpanzees and bonobos. They don't come from religion, they are ENCODED in religions for future generations to pick them up quickly without having to relive the evolutionary pressures that got us to those principles.
geodesicks 1 year ago
@geodesicks Yes. Archaic religion used sacrifice as a way to conrol violence. Focus a little bit of violence onto a perons or animal and that will bring temporary peace. The Judeo-Christian tradition challenges the idea of a sacrifice of violence and says we must find another way. This is seen ultimately in Jesus, who invites us into communities based not on the reconciliation that comes from violence, but the only true reconciliation that comes from love.
raventelevision 1 year ago
Very smart guy here. This is one person who sounds educated. Thanks raventelevision. I'm glad there are some that understand.
emoremo 2 years ago
@emoremo Wow. Thanks for the comment!
raventelevision 2 years ago
Talk about ignoring history. For the west islamic terrorism is 10years old. For other places it is centuries old. One needs to realize how muh Islam vilifies unbelievers and describes detailed punishments for them.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago
@Ramshobraja Thanks for this comment. Unfortunately, violence plagues not only Islamic history, but all of human history. I would argue one needs to realize how much of human history is plagued by the vilification of one another in order to justify violence. Islam doesn't hold a monopoly on that. A religion of any worth both acknowledges complicity in violence and challenges our justifications of violence. Islam justifies violence in self-defence, not against unbelievers wholesale.
raventelevision 2 years ago
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Maybe Christians and Catholics should hire suicide bombers and pay Muslim communities a visit.
We can put bombs on donkies - and while the Muslim men breed the donkies we will detonate the bombs.
RIP donkies !!! At least YOU will be missed. In donkey-heaven you will be awarded 72 virgin donkies !!!
MichaelinDenmark 2 years ago
@MichaelinDenmark Hi there. I hear that you are upset. For argument's sake, let's just assume you have good reason to be. How should we respond? Do you think violent words and violent actions are appropriate and productive?
raventelevision 2 years ago
@raventelevision
I think you are shooting yourself in the foot by leaving the message you do. Muslims are the one who belive in violence. They don´t think twice in killing innocent people.
So to answer your question: YES - I believe the world would be a better place without Muslims on this planet. They are like rats, and should be exterminated.
MichaelinDenmark 2 years ago
its not fighting.. its juhaaaadd and jihad should not be translated as fighting, maybe you have to learn some real arabic before talking about kuran... may allah guide us the stgraight path
bikoshh 2 years ago
@bikoshh Thanks for the comment. Isn't there the primary jihad, which refers to a spiritual struggle with the self, and the secondary jihad, which refers to a physical struggle of self defence with those who are trying to kill? That's what I've read from folks like Seyyed Hossein Nasr and Tariq Ramadan. Are they wrong?
raventelevision 2 years ago
Islam to me and to over 1.6 billion other muslims is the most precious gift in life, the only logical reason for existence.
we are pictured in the american and the israeli media as inherently violent to justify the crimes they do to us by dehumanizing us and to divert the issue that muslims are being killed by america and israel for over 50 years.
the war in palestine, afghanistan, iraq is terrorism packed and stamped democracy .
thank you for checking the facts about islam and peace to you.
bensorah 2 years ago
@bensorah Thanks for the comment! This is such a difficult issue. I think it's easy for us to fall into a cycle of accusations, so that we are stuck in a habit of dehumanizing one another. I pray for the day we move beying this and fall into the habit of love and peace.
raventelevision 2 years ago
i got only love to you and to everyone else in the world, i don't hold you accounted for what your government is doing and you don't hold me accounted for my government's actions or for the actions of someone who lost all hope and his mind too.
i truly wish your country has a good president because it will be good for the whole world.
see some of Noam Chomsky on youtube and let me know what you think.
bensorah 2 years ago
Well meant, Raven, but you don't really clear up, solve or remedy anything in the long run if you deliberately shut your eyes to the terrorist aspects of Muhammad's message. M exhorts to war against those who refuse to pay taxes to his hordes, he orders the cowardly assassination of political opponents according to several hadiths, he has all the men and boys of a Jewish village massacred, after they surrendered (according to the first Muslim biographies) plus the Q is venomously antisemitic!
BesACB 2 years ago
Thought provoking thank you.
creamesoda79 2 years ago
May Allah guide you to the right path..
Khadab 2 years ago
Thanks! That is my prayer for all of us. Peace be with you.
raventelevision 2 years ago
There was no point in trying to reply to the video of Why Islam.
That video is nothing but a cheap marketing trick if u look at it with critical eye.
He even claims to come from a scientific background. Which HOW in fucking hell is that even possible?
You can only come from an idealistic background (conservative, christian, liberal, atheist) scientific background? he's what a professor? His claim is stupid.
The rest of the vid is just creating doubt but clarity for islam. Figure that
BrutusAlbion 2 years ago
Thanks' 4 the video and 5 stars
I would give U more if I could *_^
Greetings... Asma from Saudi Arabia .
zomy2008 2 years ago
thanks' 4 this video Sir.
&thanks' 4 UR Devotion 2 explain the miss understanding that I saw in some or the replays .
but 1 Q ..about prophet Jesse when U said he is the judge ,did U mean the judge 4 haven and hill?
if U meant that then UR mistaken .4 us Muslim Jesse never died ,God razed him 2 be by his side &later before the last day the day of judgment when the world is in a mess God will bring him down 2 Earth 2 lead the Muslims and spread peace .
but haven & hill is 4 God 2 decide.
zomy2008 2 years ago
Hi Asma! Thanks for your responses, and for correcting that point of misunderstanding. I got it from a Persian-American scholar named Seyyed Hossein Nasr, who states in his book "The Heart of Islam" that Islam shares the eschatological outlook as Christians. I assumed that meant Jesus would be the one who judges on Judgement Day, but apparently it's not that simple. Thanks again for your kind comments.
raventelevision 2 years ago
Mercy compassion is for muslims only, not for the unbelievers. The quran endorses violence against unbelievers:
"Allah's Apostle said, I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And whoever says: None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' waves his wealth and his life from me unless he deserves a legal punishment; Bukhari 9:92:388
bhigr 2 years ago
Thanks for this. I think it's a bit more complicated than you suggest. The Qur'an states, "If they cease hostilities, there can be no further hostilities, except toward aggressors" (2:193). The point is not converting the aggressors, but for Muslims to freely devote themselves to God. It's about persecution. Early Muslims were peacful with Hindus. "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). Hadith states, "Allah has no mercy on him who is not merciful to men." So, be merciful to all men.
raventelevision 2 years ago
Sure, the quran is inherently self-contradictory. But, the latest revelations overrule the earlier peacaful verses.
Surah 2, Verse 102: Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allâh is able to do all things?
Now you seem to be a good man and I hope you find a peaceful Islam, but I don't think it's possible. Islam is a warrior's religion...
bhigr 2 years ago
Hello Brother.. wer in the Quran does it say Jesus is all forgiving?? Pray to God to guide you through the right path..
rifath4419 2 years ago
I do pray that God guides me to the right path. The Qur'an confirms the revelations that came earlier. It is in continuity with Jesus. What do we know about Jesus? At the least, we know he forgave sinners, even before they asked. This made many religious authorities upset. The Qur'an's message of God's Mercy and Grace is that God is Merciful beyond our understanding of mercy and Gracious beyond our understanding of grace. Surah 39:53, "Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins."
raventelevision 2 years ago
Subhanallah... dear brother... Quran says, "Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins" ... how can you mis qoute when it clearly states 'Allah'? I appreciate your knowledge about Islam but you have misunderstood many.. how can you diffrenciate good and bad if all the sins are already forgiven? Is that justice?doesn't the quran say its the last revelation from god? doesnt it speak about Injeel and torah?
rifath4419 2 years ago
why do a lot of christians revert to Islam??? can all those people(scientists, scholars etc) be wrong?? There are a lot of scientific errors in the bible( which christian scholars agree), but why is there no single error in the Quran? bcoz its from Allah and he has said Quran will be protected from manipulation till the day of judgement..
rifath4419 2 years ago
Oh, there are lot's of errors and discrepancies in the quran. The quran even admitts this, read again:
2:206: Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
Why does Allah need to improve his revelations? Because they are not perfect! Therefore, Allah is not infallible. The author of the quran is no infallible god...
bhigr 2 years ago 2
Check out my youtube site. I uploaded a video with a small selection of quranic contradictions. There are plenty!
bhigr 2 years ago
yep christianity gave us Hitler, KKK, Racism, slave trade, The Crusades and Catholic Priests, Islam gave us Algebra, Hospitals, Astronomy and 700 years of piecfull rule between muslims, christians and jews
FreakyMango 2 years ago
We all have our violent past that we must deal with. If we hide from our violent past, we will hide from our violent present. Christians and Muslims continue to use violence. What's the solution to our violence?
raventelevision 2 years ago
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:6
al147316 2 years ago
Yes, He did say that. And I totally agree. Here is my honest question: Is the Logos (the Word of God in John 1) confined to the person Jesus, or is the Logos free to reveal God's plan of redemption in other places? If not, how do we interpret John 10:16, "there are other sheep of mine, not belonging to this fold" and John 14:2, "There are many dwelling places in my Father's house". I think John's Logos Christology is open to God's presence in other places. Of course, I could be wrong.
raventelevision 2 years ago
if you write at the back of the bible
"I say give me money" will you? probably not, my point being is that the bible has been changed, in fact many times, one proof is the new and old testaments, why is there two?
"err I don't know cause i felt that Christianity was the only true religion."
IRANseeYAsee 2 years ago
I salute your approach to Jihad..but disagree on your understanding of Jesus christ role in the Qu'ran. Yes, he will be there during Judgement day..all the prophets would be..Can you point more exactly as to which surah talks about Jesus standing in front of the gate to Heaven?
thank you
biartia 2 years ago
Thanks for this. See 4:159-explains Jesus' resurrection and that Jesus will judge the "People of the Book"-Jews, Christians, & Muslims. The verse does say Jesus will be a "witness against them." Now, the Quran is a confirmation of the previous Books (OT&NT),& this event is in continuity with MT 25. There is no person I'd rather have against me than the one who calls for loving your enemies and constant forgiveness. This is in continuity with God's Mercy&Compassion at begining of each surrah.
raventelevision 2 years ago
Also see "The Heart of Islam" by Seyyed Hossein Nasr. On page 246 he states, "Few in the West realize the central role that Christ plays in Islamic eschatology, just as he does in the Christian understanding of the last days."
raventelevision 2 years ago
Please make a video about the War in Irag. Or maybe just interventionist foreign policy in general? What does mimetic theory say about war? Is there room for a "Just War Theory" within the Girardian philosophy.
VoiceOfModeration 2 years ago
My friend, exactly the right questions to ask. MT says that war is never ordained by God. In this, MT gets its primary inspiration from the Bible, which has places where God seems to be ordaining violence. I allow myself the ability to reinterpret that violence thru the lens of the forgiving and merciful Christ. Can a Muslim reinterpret what seems to be divinely ordained violence thru the lens of God's Forgiveness and Mercy that is revealed at the beginning of 113 of 114 chapters of the Quran?
raventelevision 2 years ago
That's an important conversation that will only be stifled by projecting inherent violence on Islam. As for Girardian philosophy and Just War Theory, it depends on the Girardian. Some say war is never good, but sometimes necessary. Ill send you a link. There are Muslims who practice nonviolence. Two resources that might be helpful are: Google the online book Islam and Nonviolence. Also, my piece on Abdul Ghaffar Khan can be read on the Raven Foundation website under Exemplars. Peace.
raventelevision 2 years ago
Ah! You watched it. I'm glad. The gang at Raven are on the ball. I'm glad you got something out of it, Ibrahim.
AngloBaptist 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment. I fear that many Jews, Christians, and Muslims are caught in what mimetic theory calls a "mimetic rivalry" where we accuse one another of being something evil and completely "other." As you suggest, many don't want to believe in the good of the other. This might be b/c we are stuck in dualism, in believing we need someone to be "bad" for us to be "good." I hope/pray that we all have a conversion experience where we are open to seeing the beauty of the other.
raventelevision 2 years ago
great video....but it sounds like your saying as if the prophet Muhammad created the Quran? not true
619Niners 2 years ago
Thanks for the important comment. I'm a Christian who believes God continues to speak in the world, and I find much of the Qu'ran consistent with God's revelation in Jesus. I belive God had much to do with the Quran, but, as a Christian, there are parts of the Qu'ran I respectfully disagree with. I'm open to hearing the critique of the Incarnation and the Trinity my Muslim friends/the Qur'an give and I hope they are open to hear what I believe is the beauty of the Incarnation and the Trinity.
raventelevision 2 years ago
Yes... muslims have said that on many occasions, unfortunately not everyone wants to believe that. Though it's good to hear that you want to believe this is how it is, and that you understand what the genie said "becareful what you wish for". Now you just need a few million views.
You know if it was inherently violent... surely it would be the most militerized civilization on the face of the planet?
faro0485 2 years ago