This land is belong to the Tibet not China. Greedy China they have their own land.
But still they need more. We the tibetan will be continue fight for china to get back our motherland Tibet. We hope one day Tibet will be free than there is door for all peoples of world to well come to see the nature of beautifull landscape of Tibet.
CHINA killed 20% of TIbetans! The world Must wake up and see the truth of massacre by China in Tibet, Uighur, Mongolia. We are NOT talking bout' the HISTORY. They ally with North Korean TERRORISTS, encouraging the ABDUCTION of Japanese people!! Torturing NOBEL PRIZE WINNER.
CHINA is a TERRORIST Nation!!! They are CRIMINALS!!! CHINKS are MURDERERS!!!
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he world Must wake up and see the truth of massacre by China in Tibet, Uyghur, Mongolia
chinese communists are also brutally persecuting Falun Gong which is a peaceful meditation practice based on the principles of Truthfulness, Compassion & Tolerance.
tibetans and uighurs cannot get passports, let alone move around in their own territory.
"han chinese" is a recent confection dreamt up to give the chinese an illusion of "ethnicity"
there's no need to "stop" china's almost non-existent domestic market. furthermore, boycott will deprive chinese of the $ required to develop a domestic market.
if you're manchu, yourdialect has disappeared while your cousins living in the russian part of divided manchuria still speak manchu dialects.
tibetans will tell me that they almost unanimously boycotted losar celebrations, choosing instead to observe losar as a day of mourning for all the dead, disappeared and imprisoned tibetanas of 2008.
china is made up of the chinese people and then, those people of the occupied nations.
SOVEREIGN TIBET REMAINS PROUD AND DEFIANT in the face of beijing's brutal 60yr millitary occupation and colonization, tantamount to genocide.
mispistoleros, yes all the people living in China are 'Chinese' because they all have a Chinese passport, it's largerly made up of Han-Chinese because they have been numerous for centuries as for the Chinese goods, boycott them all you want, but you can't stop China's internal market from consuming it's own products.
It is normal and socially progressive for the majority to "rape" the culture of a minority.
Culture is not an animate object .
In the USA, forced busing of children to attend schools of a different ethnic/racial makeup is cultural rape. Kudos to cultural rape. Many human beings of the racial makeup of Obama is the result of cultural rape.
The Hawaiian culture is being raped big time by the Senate's rejection of the Akaka Bill. Many vehement words were uttered by Senator Akaka
Thank you beautiful sounds music divine from heaven truely amazing. I love Tibet in the Star Treck series Tibet has places where people live forever including Jesus is said to live there. Shangrilaaaaaa ring the bell...I love this music and the pictures are wonderful thank you so much.
Tibet is a mysterious place to the vast majority of Chinese because they know nothing about Tibet other than what they've been told and educated by the Chinese authorities. Tibet has been raped by the Chinese for nearly 60 years and it continues on today.
iamlumin, the term Chinese is used to refer to people with a Chinese nationality, not a race, China is made up of 56 different races and Tibetans are one of them, I have been to Kongpho in Tibet by myself and I didn't see any 'rape' there as you described it.
92% Han, the different races have never even been an issue until the Chinese felt they needed to justify their treatment of groups other than Han. I am Tibetan. Do you really think we don't know what we are? We don't know our own country? We don't know our own family trees? We don't know our own history? We don't know our own culture? If you believe all this nonsense then its because you are more obsessed with being right rather than what is right.
To tell you, I am a Manchu living in China and my ethnic group knows no bad treatment of the Han-Chinese or the central government and I'm very sure the Tibetans that I came along when I was there didn't know any bad treatment either, except for the ones that instigated the riot, I'm telling you things from my own experience, not what is right or not.
Tibetans are not Chinese, never were and never will be. Over a million Tibetans have died as a direct result of the invasion and occupation of my sacred country. Like I said, we know what we are. Now you're off talking about something else. When it comes to bad treatment I can tell you it's been horrific. As a family we lost everything, my Father died in a Chinese prison, my Mother was tortured with a cattle prod and died shortly after her release. Our national treasures and resources looted.
northerncheeseball, instead of confecting these bullshit videos of yours, i suggest you demand, like other chinese have, that tibet be opened to the UN Commission for Human Rights as well as INDEPENDENT media, both domestic and foreign. that way, tibetans themselves can say whether or not they feel their culture is threatened.
of course beijing won't do this because the answer is obvious:
Your only hearing the voice of that of the Tibetan separatists, so you want to hear the voice of the Tibetan people in China? Then go ahead, they'll tell you things that you won't expect.
On behalf of all Chinese people, I want to offer the Tibetan people our sincere apologies for the cruelties inflicted upon them by the Chinese government. Tibet has never been and never will be a part of China. I hope one day Tibetans will receive the freedom that they need and deserve. I am ashamed of what the communist government and the CCP has done in Tibet. I hope that one day Tibet will again be free and regain its independence and sovereignty. I am sorry for the evils you have suffered.
One of my friend Stella was raped in China last year when she go visit! The reason why she got raped was because she ask people to stop eating puppies!
There's no justice too ! She was then asked to pay 5000U.S. to the judge to win her case! She was forced to seek help in the Embassy at last.
As the Canadian Legation, Chungking, China advised Ottawa in 1944: there is no doubt that official China is determined to swallow Sinkiang, Tibet, Outer Mongolia, Kansu and Sikang, no matter what the people living in those regions may feel about the matter. The Legation added: The Chinese do not see that the attempt to compel the Tibetans to allow themselves and their country to be incorporated as an integral part of China is most definitely an act of aggression.
On behalf of all Chinese people, I want to offer the Tibetan people our sincere apologies for the cruelties inflicted upon them by the Chinese government. Tibet has never been and never will be a part of China. I hope one day Tibetans will receive the freedom that they need and deserve. I am ashamed of what the communist government and the CCP has done in Tibet. I hope that one day Tibet will again be free and regain its independence and sovereignty. I am sorry for the evils you have suffered.
One of my friend Stella was raped in China last year when she go visit! The reason why she got raped was because she ask people to stop eating puppies!
There's no justice too ! She was then asked to pay 5000U.S. to the judge to win her case! She was forced to seek help in the Embassy at last.
also, do you know what you ancester did in order to win the trust of tang emperor xuan zong? he called the queen: mother, who was only 36 years old, 20 years younger than himself.
More lies! Here's another. 1) China's White Paper states, "In 1653 and 1713, the Qing emperors granted honorific titles to the 5th Dalai Lama and the 5th Bainqen (Panchen) Lama, henceforth establishing the titles of the Dalai Lama and the Bainqen Erdini and their political and religious status in Tibet. The Dalai Lama ruled the bulk of areas from Lhasa while the Bainqen Erdini ruled the remaining area of Tibet from Xigatse (Shigatse)." This claim is absolutely baseless.
2) The Tibetan religious scholar and sage, Tsongkhapa (1357-1419), founded the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism. It became the fourth major school of Tibetan Buddhism, the others being the Nyingma, the Sakya and the Kagyu. Panchen Gedun Drup was Tsongkhapa's principal disciple.
3) Panchen Gedun Drup's third reincarnation, Sonam Gyatso, was invited to the Mongol Court of Altan Khan who first conferred the title of "Talai (Dalai) Lama" on him. The title was applied retrospectively to his two previous incarnations, making him the Third Dalai Lama. Thus began the line of the Dalai Lamas. It is, therefore, not true, as Chinese propaganda claims, that the title "Dalai Lama" was first established by a Manchu emperor a century later.
4) It would be difficult to identify any country that had not come under some foreign influence throughout its history, even China. Ancient history can be argued until the cows come home. What was the status of Tibet at the time of the invasion? I'll let you know what a China's last mission head in Lhasa stated.
5) China's last Head of Mission in Lhasa, Shen Tsung-Lien, wrote after leaving the country in 1948, "Since 1911 Lhasa (ie, the Tibetan Government in Lhasa) has to all practical purposes enjoyed full independence". [Tibet and the Tibetans, Shen, T. and Liu, S., New York, 1973, p.62]
6) Mao Zedong himself, when he passed through the border regions of Tibet during the Long March and was given food and shelter by local Tibetans, remarked, "This is our only foreign debt, and some day we must pay the Mantzu (sic) and the Tibetans for the provisions we were obliged to take from them." [Red Star over China, Edgar Snow, New York, 1961, p.214].
you forgot one thing, when dalai lama was promoted by ccp as the vice chairman (just one level below mao), he was happy, and he didn't call it "by force"
You forgot one thing. That's complete bull! Not to mention the DL was very young and had no formal education as to the outside world. Also, he was made an offer he couldn't refuse. He was made promises that were broken. He also, was told that China just wanted to help and then they'd all leave. That proved to be a lie as well. That's why there was the uprising in 1959, nothing but lies and broken promises. They were after the land and resources all along.
1, if he couldn't refuse, he could escape on 1952, not wait until 1959, not wait until he get promoted till the vice chairman of China (only one level lower than mao)
2. he promised to carry out social reform in 1952, did he do anything?
who broke the promise?
if he is a monk, why it is so difficult for him to just give little freedom, land, and dignity to his own people?
After the invasion he had no "actual control" and did his best to work with the Chinese. Tibet was already starting social reforms and could have done them without Chinese interference. China was in worst shape than Tibet at that time. More famines and people starving to death in China. No famine in Tibet until the Chinese arrived. Think about how young he was & the Chinese went and confiscated the land from people shortly after they took it away. It ended up in the hands of Chinese officials.
Prior to the invasion Tibet was very isolated from the world. Not many foreigners knew much about it. No permanent Chinese residents either. Just traders and people who worked at the mission offices, same for India and the British. Note: International Law does not require recognition from "other" but independence is recognized through implication. Tibetans are a distinct group of people with a distinct language, script, had their own monetary system passports, signed treaties, etc.
if tibet was so independent, it didn't need any approval from jiang jie shi, the president of ROC for the naming of dllm 13th.
they did it, because it was a tradition. It was a tradition, because there were ever heavy control from beijing above tibet, so heavy that it has become a tradition. Even when ROC was busy with WWII, they didn't abandon this tradition, if they did, dllm 13 would not be recognized by the tibetans.
Chinese mythology designed to perpetuate a lie. There was no such tradition. WWII was 1939 - 1945. The great 13th Dalai Lama died in 1933. You've been lied to or you're one of the liars who know you are lying. I don't know which and it really doesn't matter.
I made a mistake, I meant Dalai Lama 14th, the current dalai lama.
Since 17th century, all dalai lama was approved by beijing, the documents, golden seals are still kept in museums in Beijing and Lhasa. Yearly visited by billions of people.
By the way, Tibetans do not recognize the Panchen Lama selected by the Chinese. They can't speak out for fear of reprisals but they know the truth. Most Tibetans I've spoken with feel bad for the kid selected by the Chinese. He's being used as a political pawn. The real one selected by the Dalai Lama, the Chinese will not allow anyone one, even human rights orgs to see him. He was kidnapped when he was six years old.
Yes, people go and that's the Chinese plan. Promote lies, forged documents, convince not only their citizens but the world that Tibet belongs to them. It's rooted in nothing but complete fiction. They may have convinced you but we know the truth.
The musea's are full with seals, orders, approvals, documentations which show the firm control from the chinese governments, yet you still dare to say Tibet was never a part of China.
1) The 13th DL Thupten Gyatso proved to be a skillful politician when Tibet became a pawn in the great game between Russia, China and Britain. He was a reformer and took a lot of power away from monks. He was discovered after predictions made from State Oracles. He suffered through the British invasion and the Manchu invasion only to return and make it clear that Tibet was independent.
such a great reformer didn't change anything in tibet or in dharamshala.
DH was so called democratic, but they never change the head of the government. DH was so called free, but they don't accept other buddism branch if it is not accepted by the yellow branch.
That's right keep pointing to things that have nothing to do with the Chinese invasion, occupation, exploitation and oppression of a peaceful neighbor. Perhaps this makes you feel more comfortable and less complicit but in reality it does nothing at all.
I'm simply pointing out that your historical dates are as arbitrary as any other. The point is on the day of the military invasion, the so-called "liberation", Tibet was an independent country separate from China. Would you prefer we start history on the day that Tibet conquered ancient capital of China? Then we can start at that point if you like.
I never said ruled, not like in China's case. Tibet as well as China as well as many others have come under the influence of foreign powers. Tibet was a pawn between Russia, China and the British. China was conquered by others throughout history, Surely you know this. Let's talk about recent times. Let's talk about what is at issue. Invasion was only 60 years ago not hundreds of years ago and it is still a prominent issue for people all over the world.
Tibet once conquered ancient capital of China so should begin history at that point? China holds onto Tibet by force, invaded with force, occupies with force. That's a fact. China is in Tibet for the resources, i.e. land, space, lumber, copper, uranium, gold, silver, not to mention the waters originating in Tibet are the primary watershed for most of Asia. Add to all of this the strategic military location and the fact that many Chinese officials are using Tibet to stuff their pockets.
Ah, so many lies and the Chinese have been very diligent at spreading them.
In 763, China's capital Chang'an (modern day Xian) was invaded by Tibet and China had to pay an annual tribute to Tibet. In 783, a treaty was concluded which laid down the borders between Tibet and China.
2) "Very soon in this land, with a harmonious blend of religion and politics, deceptive acts may occur from without and within. At that time, if we do not dare to protect our territory, our spiritual personalities including the Victorious Father and Son (Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama) may be exterminated without trace, the property and authority of our Lakangs (residences of reincarnated lamas) and monks may be taken away.
Now that's an absolute lie! It's so sad. Yes, the Chinese authorities are very good at spreading lies, propaganda, forced reeducation, altering books and teaching distortions to their citizens and then presenting this crap to the world. There's no denying it, yet a lie is a lie. You know, Tibet once conquered ancient Chinese capital. Should we start history at that point? Come on! On the day of the invasion Tibet was an independent country, plain and simple.
What does that prove? The Chinese have had decades to spread lies. They even brought their stupid museum tour to spread more lies. The lies run deep and as more time goes by things get very convoluted. This is exactly what they wanted. Don't you get it? Keep everyone occupied while they go about and line their pockets. I can give hundreds of references but I also have direct observation and family observation on my side. You have lies that have been passed around for decades.
then you better say that the whole world is lying, because there was no country and there is no country in the world acknowledged tibet as a country since 13th century.
3) Moreover, our political system, developed by the Three Great Dharma Kings (Tri Songtsen Gampo, Tri Songdetsen and Tri Ralpachen) will vanish without anything remaining. The property of all people, high and low, will be seized and the people forced to become slaves. All living beings will have to endure endless days of suffering and will be stricken with fear. Such a time will come."
Now what else could fiction point to but other fiction in order to try to proclaim that it is real? No head in the sand, total immersion in reality as reality works exclusively with reality. I see through "you" and see thus you are nothing.
In your own mind, in your own world you already made the comparison. Suffering is wanting things to be other than the way they seem to be. Regardless of whether or not you believe you personally exist or not, are you going to spend your life in futile debates, false accusations and fruitless attacks? Is so, then so be it. It is starting nowhere, going nowhere and thus ending nowhere.
I don't need to convince anyone. The world is already convinced. The world you speak of has no foundation in reality and thus is no world at all. Truth is still true regardless of whether you see it or not. Reality is still real whether regardless of whether you experience it or not.
I'm very clear, not because of you in spite of you. You see it how you see it from your view of the world. Unfortunately, you don't exist, so your view is fictional and any conclusions you draw as a result are thus fictional as well. I need not defend truth, truth is truth and needs no defense from anyone.
your dirty grandfathers grand lamas fuck the young monks in the monasteries, i guess they never told you this.
tibet was never shagrila, instead, it is far from shagrila, it was full of sins, lies, blood and tears, romanize old tibet, ignoring the modernized tibet only embarrasses yourself.
her story is full of empty words, while little numbers, and solid facts, which is a commen character of epotimes. Epotimes is famous for provide shocking news without any solid base and it says ALL THE TIME, that due to some reason, this news resource is not tracible.
Empty words, altered history books, forced reeducation, these are the attributes of the Chinese news sources as they are controlled by the Chinese communist party. Her direct observations and experience are in stark contrast to your fixed ideas that are not based upon direct observation and experience. Like I said, what you say means nothing, it's all hearsay, all third party, all from distorted sources. I on the other hand have lived it, my friends, my family have lived it.
Again, direct experience. I have lived it. Only an insane person would argue this point. It would be like me trying to tell you what your childhood was like, what your parents and grandparents said and what you country was like even though I had spent little time there and never met your parents or grandparents.
4, she said more chinese should visit tibet to get an unbiased view of tibet, while when the railway was finished, didn't you guys protest like a hell? without roads, how can the chinese visit tibet, to get unbiased views? to spend money in tibet?
5. she said young boys are only allowed to be monks since 18. While DLLM said, modern education must be given more attention to the young generation, if you become monk before you become adult, when on earth you have time for modern education?
"It should be noted that the Dalai Lama is not the only highly placed lama chosen in childhood as a reincarnation. One or another reincarnate lama or tulku--a spiritual teacher of special purity elected to be reborn again and again--can be found presiding over most major monasteries. The tulku system is unique to Tibetan Buddhism. Scores of Tibetan lamas claim to be reincarnate tulkus."
"To welcome the end of the old feudal theocracy in Tibet is not to applaud everything about Chinese rule in that country. This point is seldom understood by todays Shangri-La believers in the West. The converse is also true: To denounce the Chinese occupation does not mean we have to romanticize the former feudal régime. Tibetans deserve to be perceived as actual people, not perfected spiritualists or innocent political symbols. "
also google xu ming xu (徐明旭. Xu was persecuted by ccp during the culture revolution, he was dumpted in tibet for labour reformance, during his 4 years in tibet, he has gave a deep report for the tibetan culture, society and religion.
"What I am disputing is the supposedly pristine spiritual nature of that pre-invasion culture. We can advocate religious freedom and independence for a new Tibet without having to embrace the mythology about old Tibet. Tibetan feudalism was cloaked in Buddhism, but the two are not to be equated. In reality, old Tibet was not a Paradise Lost. It was a retrograde repressive theocracy of extreme privilege and poverty, a long way from Shangri-La."
"One common complaint among Buddhist followers in the West is that Tibets religious culture is being undermined by the Chinese occupation. To some extent this seems to be the case. Many of the monasteries are closed, and much of the theocracy seems to have passed into history. Whether Chinese rule has brought betterment or disaster is not the central issue here. The question is what kind of country was old Tibet."
That's not the central question. If we can rationalize and justify every country that we disagreed with in terms of the way they are governed then there'd be new invasions and territorial intrusions everyday of the week. I never said old Tibetan system was perfect. I'm saying Tibetans should be free to run their own country. China is raping Tibet at the moment and there is massive oppression of not just monks and nuns but other Tibetans as well.
You know, actually prior to the invasion Tibet was never a part of China. However, there was a point in history when Tibet conquered various parts of China. Dhalamshala is not the home of Tibetans. It is not their country. Lhasa is almost completely ruined, it's like a tacky Disneyland for tourist.
if it was never a part of china, why since 1240 all ambternaars need approval from beijing and your dalai lama's need the approvals as well for the official naming from beijing?
why on atlas maps 1805-1949 tibet was always inside china?
Again, China had been trying to get its hands on Tibet for years. Your information about amblernaars and Dalai Lama's is completely false. We needed no approval from Beijing. Beijing wanted Chinese people to believe this so they promoted lies about this to get the people on their side.
In addition, every Tibetan I know is certain of our country never being part of China. You're saying that we have always been part of China, always a province. You're insane! Do you really think we wouldn't know, our parents wouldn't know, our grandparents wouldn't know? Again, direct experience superior to your indoctrinated ideas.
At least you admit it's a separate country and an occupied country. Since 1963 the Tibetan government in exile has had a democratic system in place. The Chinese are in Tibet for the resources and for the strategic military location. Yes, nearly a thousand brothels in our sacred city of Lhasa is insulting, hurtful, insensitive, and is like spiting on our culture and our religious way of life.
you should feel shameful to mention brothels, your own tibetan women know exactly how corrupted tibetans monks are!
just ask them if they wanted to go back to the tibetan tradition, which they must have sex with monks, which they must married to 5-6 men, which they carries sex diseases for generations!
What's shameful is that Chinese brought this shameful institution to Tibet and everyone knows they are there to service the Chinese troops. Nearly 1,000 brothels is one thing add to that they're located in are most sacred holy city.
You simply don't understand. Comparing Lhasa to New York city is insane. You just don't get it, don't want to get it because it would make you feel wrong. Be on your way with your fixed ideas, brainwashed beliefs that make you feel more comfortable so you can rationalize and justify what China has done and is doing to Tibet and Tibetan people. Good luck, you're going to need it. Trust me, I have absolute certitude on this.
Why DH can not compare with Lhasa? DH is free, democratic, each year hundreds of millions of donations in $, Lhasa got only cruel chinese who killed almost ALL tibetans, you should be proud to compare DH with Lhasa!
As you don't exist and are nothing more than a passing mirage all that appears to emanate from you has no foundation in reality and thus has no meaning at all. Do all you wish, believe all you wish, and in the end it means nothing, you accomplish nothing!
That's entirely in your own mind and considering you do not exist in reality either does your mind so the only world waiting is the one that is in your own mind and thus no one is waiting.
again, Why DH can not compare with Lhasa? DH is free, democratic, each year hundreds of millions of donations in $, Lhasa got only cruel chinese who killed almost ALL tibetans, you should be proud to compare DH with Lhasa!
By 1961, Chinese occupation authorities expropriated the landed estates owned by lords and lamas. They distributed many thousands of acres to tenant farmers and landless peasants, reorganizing them into hundreds of communes.. Herds once owned by nobility were turned over to collectives of poor shepherds. Improvements were made in the breeding of livestock, and new varieties of vegetables and new strains of wheat and barley were introduced, along with irrigation improvements,
Whatever wrongs and new oppressions introduced by the Chinese after 1959, they did abolish slavery and the Tibetan serfdom system of unpaid labor. They eliminated the many crushing taxes, started work projects, and greatly reduced unemployment and beggary. They established secular schools, thereby breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries. And they constructed running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.
Don't forget the raping of the environment, looting of monasteries, murder, torture and forced relocation. Don't forget the nearly 1,000 brothels and the tacky shops and amusement parks on in our holiest city.
Helping you? You are insane and perhaps beyond help. I am not in a battle with you nor am I defending a position. As I said, we know our cause is just and we know that Tibet belongs to Tibetans and always has. You may win land and hold it at the barrel of a gun but you will never win the hearts and minds of Tibetans through force. Harmony arises through the heart not with guns, oppression, torture, etc.
you are helping me by repeating the monasteries, and why the formal elites hated CCP so much, after people read the references from michael parenti and your comments, they will say: michael was right!
according to a report from the CIA itself, meaning they were most likely captured and killed.29 Many lamas and lay members of the elite and much of the Tibetan army joined the uprising, but in the main the populace did not, assuring its failure, writes Hugh Deane.30 In their book on Tibet,
In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. . . . The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.24 As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhisms western proselytes.
In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the intolerable tyranny of monks and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lamas rule as an engine of oppression. At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. OConnor, observed that the great landowners and the priests exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.
"They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. 17"
"In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the middle-class families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery"
"Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeated rape, beginning at age nine. 14 The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers."
"Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The Dalai Lama himself lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.
"Until 1959, when the Dalai Lama last presided over Tibet, most of the arable land was still organized into manorial estates worked by serfs. These estates were owned by two social groups: the rich secular landlords and the rich theocratic lamas. "
"Even a writer sympathetic to the old order allows that a great deal of real estate belonged to the monasteries, and most of them amassed great riches. Much of the wealth was accumulated through active participation in trade, commerce, and money lending"
if i were you, i would try to repair the relationship with China, stay low, attacking chinese or ccp can only help to lock yourself permanently out of tibet.
as a matter of fact, china doesn't need you guys to come back. It is you, who must return, desperately, otherwise, after the death of DL, you never could return.
Once the tibetans don't believe in your fake DLLM 15, you are valueless to USA, you will be unemployment without any compensation.
how come, after hundreds pages, you can't put the solid evidences forward that tibet was divorced with china, muturally agreed, and internationally acknowledged?
you claimed that your husband beat you up EVERYDAY, that you almost died, therefore, in order to protect yourself, you choose to stay by your husband....
Of course, I would acknowledge the the whole world defines logic. Watch the news, read the papers, we live in an insane world where people worship things over people, materialism over heart, and the accumulation of stuff rather than the awareness of spiritual truth.
One word, "fear". The international community does not want to risk upsetting the Chinese. The Americans like many others, are using China to finance their debt and others just want the economic benefits of China as a trading partner. It's a basic human obsession to put materialism above heart, morality and integrity. Many will do business with the most evil piece of crap on earth if it benefits them.
Do some history research. The international community was a bit busy with a few other problems at that time. Also, Tibet having been so remote for so many years, people around the world knew little about it.
Still busy and now afraid to upset what they consider to be their most important trading partner and least we forget China is financing the world's debt. In addition, people in general don't care much about issues until they arrive at their own doorstep. It's the nature of humanity.
This land is belong to the Tibet not China. Greedy China they have their own land.
But still they need more. We the tibetan will be continue fight for china to get back our motherland Tibet. We hope one day Tibet will be free than there is door for all peoples of world to well come to see the nature of beautifull landscape of Tibet.
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CHINA killed 20% of TIbetans! The world Must wake up and see the truth of massacre by China in Tibet, Uighur, Mongolia. We are NOT talking bout' the HISTORY. They ally with North Korean TERRORISTS, encouraging the ABDUCTION of Japanese people!! Torturing NOBEL PRIZE WINNER.
CHINA is a TERRORIST Nation!!! They are CRIMINALS!!! CHINKS are MURDERERS!!!
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he world Must wake up and see the truth of massacre by China in Tibet, Uyghur, Mongolia
Free Tibet, Free Xijang
freetibetttt 1 year ago
great video btw =D
gengar77 1 year ago
majority of people shouting free tibet are outsiders who probably dont even know where tibet is.
gengar77 1 year ago
TIBETN OF TIBETANS !
HumanRightsVideosTib 1 year ago
Free Tibet
dokpabhu 1 year ago
TIBET is not of China.TIBET is blong TIBETAN.FREE for TIBET.
hantaehieu1 1 year ago
@hantaehieu1 u r a dumb viet monkey
rainyday2005 1 year ago
chinese communists are also brutally persecuting Falun Gong which is a peaceful meditation practice based on the principles of Truthfulness, Compassion & Tolerance.
dancam1289 2 years ago
tibetans and uighurs cannot get passports, let alone move around in their own territory.
"han chinese" is a recent confection dreamt up to give the chinese an illusion of "ethnicity"
there's no need to "stop" china's almost non-existent domestic market. furthermore, boycott will deprive chinese of the $ required to develop a domestic market.
if you're manchu, yourdialect has disappeared while your cousins living in the russian part of divided manchuria still speak manchu dialects.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
tibetans will tell me that they almost unanimously boycotted losar celebrations, choosing instead to observe losar as a day of mourning for all the dead, disappeared and imprisoned tibetanas of 2008.
china is made up of the chinese people and then, those people of the occupied nations.
SOVEREIGN TIBET REMAINS PROUD AND DEFIANT in the face of beijing's brutal 60yr millitary occupation and colonization, tantamount to genocide.
BOYCOTT chinese goods and services
support chinese assets DIVESTITURE
mispistoleros 2 years ago
mispistoleros, yes all the people living in China are 'Chinese' because they all have a Chinese passport, it's largerly made up of Han-Chinese because they have been numerous for centuries as for the Chinese goods, boycott them all you want, but you can't stop China's internal market from consuming it's own products.
ManjuSu 2 years ago
TIBET OF TIBETANS
Ganeschar 2 years ago
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Free Tibet,Free China from totalitarianism and slavery,Boycott Chinese goods and services.
swordofpakistan 2 years ago
It is normal and socially progressive for the majority to "rape" the culture of a minority.
Culture is not an animate object .
In the USA, forced busing of children to attend schools of a different ethnic/racial makeup is cultural rape. Kudos to cultural rape. Many human beings of the racial makeup of Obama is the result of cultural rape.
The Hawaiian culture is being raped big time by the Senate's rejection of the Akaka Bill. Many vehement words were uttered by Senator Akaka
betalover1 2 years ago
Thank you beautiful sounds music divine from heaven truely amazing. I love Tibet in the Star Treck series Tibet has places where people live forever including Jesus is said to live there. Shangrilaaaaaa ring the bell...I love this music and the pictures are wonderful thank you so much.
chemtraildanger 2 years ago
Tibet is a mysterious place to the vast majority of Chinese because they know nothing about Tibet other than what they've been told and educated by the Chinese authorities. Tibet has been raped by the Chinese for nearly 60 years and it continues on today.
iamlumin 2 years ago
iamlumin, the term Chinese is used to refer to people with a Chinese nationality, not a race, China is made up of 56 different races and Tibetans are one of them, I have been to Kongpho in Tibet by myself and I didn't see any 'rape' there as you described it.
ManjuSu 2 years ago
92% Han, the different races have never even been an issue until the Chinese felt they needed to justify their treatment of groups other than Han. I am Tibetan. Do you really think we don't know what we are? We don't know our own country? We don't know our own family trees? We don't know our own history? We don't know our own culture? If you believe all this nonsense then its because you are more obsessed with being right rather than what is right.
iamlumin 2 years ago
To tell you, I am a Manchu living in China and my ethnic group knows no bad treatment of the Han-Chinese or the central government and I'm very sure the Tibetans that I came along when I was there didn't know any bad treatment either, except for the ones that instigated the riot, I'm telling you things from my own experience, not what is right or not.
ManjuSu 2 years ago
Tibetans are not Chinese, never were and never will be. Over a million Tibetans have died as a direct result of the invasion and occupation of my sacred country. Like I said, we know what we are. Now you're off talking about something else. When it comes to bad treatment I can tell you it's been horrific. As a family we lost everything, my Father died in a Chinese prison, my Mother was tortured with a cattle prod and died shortly after her release. Our national treasures and resources looted.
iamlumin 2 years ago
TIBET IS TIBET, NOT CHINA
northerncheeseball, instead of confecting these bullshit videos of yours, i suggest you demand, like other chinese have, that tibet be opened to the UN Commission for Human Rights as well as INDEPENDENT media, both domestic and foreign. that way, tibetans themselves can say whether or not they feel their culture is threatened.
of course beijing won't do this because the answer is obvious:
criminal genocide.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
Your only hearing the voice of that of the Tibetan separatists, so you want to hear the voice of the Tibetan people in China? Then go ahead, they'll tell you things that you won't expect.
ManjuSu 2 years ago
@ManjuSu Some people need to take their bicycle more often , instead of being brainwashed by the lies of the
of the chinese communist party .
It would benefit them a lot in their lives ..
naxi55500555 2 years ago
On behalf of all Chinese people, I want to offer the Tibetan people our sincere apologies for the cruelties inflicted upon them by the Chinese government. Tibet has never been and never will be a part of China. I hope one day Tibetans will receive the freedom that they need and deserve. I am ashamed of what the communist government and the CCP has done in Tibet. I hope that one day Tibet will again be free and regain its independence and sovereignty. I am sorry for the evils you have suffered.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
this comment was spammed as was the following:
Chinese in China were uncivilized
One of my friend Stella was raped in China last year when she go visit! The reason why she got raped was because she ask people to stop eating puppies!
There's no justice too ! She was then asked to pay 5000U.S. to the judge to win her case! She was forced to seek help in the Embassy at last.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
As the Canadian Legation, Chungking, China advised Ottawa in 1944: there is no doubt that official China is determined to swallow Sinkiang, Tibet, Outer Mongolia, Kansu and Sikang, no matter what the people living in those regions may feel about the matter. The Legation added: The Chinese do not see that the attempt to compel the Tibetans to allow themselves and their country to be incorporated as an integral part of China is most definitely an act of aggression.
mispistoleros 2 years ago
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On behalf of all Chinese people, I want to offer the Tibetan people our sincere apologies for the cruelties inflicted upon them by the Chinese government. Tibet has never been and never will be a part of China. I hope one day Tibetans will receive the freedom that they need and deserve. I am ashamed of what the communist government and the CCP has done in Tibet. I hope that one day Tibet will again be free and regain its independence and sovereignty. I am sorry for the evils you have suffered.
chinesehearts10 2 years ago
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Chinese in China were uncivilized
One of my friend Stella was raped in China last year when she go visit! The reason why she got raped was because she ask people to stop eating puppies!
There's no justice too ! She was then asked to pay 5000U.S. to the judge to win her case! She was forced to seek help in the Embassy at last.
john19771031 2 years ago
A beautiful, magical place! I would like to visit one day.
WaysToSimplify 3 years ago
exceptionally beatiful video, thanks you for posting and many thanks to my friend joej2005 for sharing.
DANILISHINA 3 years ago
iamlumin :
Do you think below poem was written by force???
joej2005 3 years ago
O! Chairman Mao! Your brilliance and deeds are like those of Brahm and Mahasammata,
creators of the world Only from an infinite number of good deeds can such a
leader be born, who is like the sun shining over the world
Your writings are precious as pearls, abundant and powerful as the high tide of the ocean reaching the edges of the sky -----14th Dalai lama
joej2005 3 years ago
magnietuit.
那些海外藏人素质很低,他们就知道用血腥夸张的字眼撒谎吸引眼球,而且经常带赃字.
而支持藏独的那些欧美白人往往素质很高,喜欢引经据典,长篇大论,即使你骂他们,他们往往也不生气
joej2005 3 years ago
also, do you know what you ancester did in order to win the trust of tang emperor xuan zong? he called the queen: mother, who was only 36 years old, 20 years younger than himself.
what a glorious history!
magnietuit 3 years ago
More lies! Here's another. 1) China's White Paper states, "In 1653 and 1713, the Qing emperors granted honorific titles to the 5th Dalai Lama and the 5th Bainqen (Panchen) Lama, henceforth establishing the titles of the Dalai Lama and the Bainqen Erdini and their political and religious status in Tibet. The Dalai Lama ruled the bulk of areas from Lhasa while the Bainqen Erdini ruled the remaining area of Tibet from Xigatse (Shigatse)." This claim is absolutely baseless.
iamlumin 3 years ago
2) The Tibetan religious scholar and sage, Tsongkhapa (1357-1419), founded the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism. It became the fourth major school of Tibetan Buddhism, the others being the Nyingma, the Sakya and the Kagyu. Panchen Gedun Drup was Tsongkhapa's principal disciple.
iamlumin 3 years ago
3) Panchen Gedun Drup's third reincarnation, Sonam Gyatso, was invited to the Mongol Court of Altan Khan who first conferred the title of "Talai (Dalai) Lama" on him. The title was applied retrospectively to his two previous incarnations, making him the Third Dalai Lama. Thus began the line of the Dalai Lamas. It is, therefore, not true, as Chinese propaganda claims, that the title "Dalai Lama" was first established by a Manchu emperor a century later.
iamlumin 3 years ago
4) It would be difficult to identify any country that had not come under some foreign influence throughout its history, even China. Ancient history can be argued until the cows come home. What was the status of Tibet at the time of the invasion? I'll let you know what a China's last mission head in Lhasa stated.
iamlumin 3 years ago
5) China's last Head of Mission in Lhasa, Shen Tsung-Lien, wrote after leaving the country in 1948, "Since 1911 Lhasa (ie, the Tibetan Government in Lhasa) has to all practical purposes enjoyed full independence". [Tibet and the Tibetans, Shen, T. and Liu, S., New York, 1973, p.62]
iamlumin 3 years ago
6) Mao Zedong himself, when he passed through the border regions of Tibet during the Long March and was given food and shelter by local Tibetans, remarked, "This is our only foreign debt, and some day we must pay the Mantzu (sic) and the Tibetans for the provisions we were obliged to take from them." [Red Star over China, Edgar Snow, New York, 1961, p.214].
iamlumin 3 years ago
magnietuit. iamlumin不是藏人，是一个美国白人，去年我已经和他mail无数次了，极其顽固，他感兴趣的是原生态的东西，东非大草原之类的，估计他是想让藏人也象东非的长颈鹿一样生活在原生态状态下，他在美国认识很多流亡藏人，拉萨也有人和他长期通邮件，装可怜撒慌博得同情已经成为这些藏人谋生的手段．
joej2005 3 years ago
and how great is the political system in dharamshala that almost all of the international donation are corrupted by the "democratic" government.
magnietuit 3 years ago
wikipedia: chinese dynasty
yuan dynasty is considered as chinese dynasty, not mongolian dynasty.
Kennedy, Bruce. "Chinese Dynastic Cycle." Killer Roos. 17 February 2008
magnietuit 3 years ago
The title of this video needs to be changed. "TIBET OF CHINA, BY FORCE" That would be more accurate.
iamlumin 3 years ago
you forgot one thing, when dalai lama was promoted by ccp as the vice chairman (just one level below mao), he was happy, and he didn't call it "by force"
magnietuit 3 years ago
You forgot one thing. That's complete bull! Not to mention the DL was very young and had no formal education as to the outside world. Also, he was made an offer he couldn't refuse. He was made promises that were broken. He also, was told that China just wanted to help and then they'd all leave. That proved to be a lie as well. That's why there was the uprising in 1959, nothing but lies and broken promises. They were after the land and resources all along.
iamlumin 3 years ago
1, if he couldn't refuse, he could escape on 1952, not wait until 1959, not wait until he get promoted till the vice chairman of China (only one level lower than mao)
2. he promised to carry out social reform in 1952, did he do anything?
who broke the promise?
if he is a monk, why it is so difficult for him to just give little freedom, land, and dignity to his own people?
magnietuit 3 years ago
After the invasion he had no "actual control" and did his best to work with the Chinese. Tibet was already starting social reforms and could have done them without Chinese interference. China was in worst shape than Tibet at that time. More famines and people starving to death in China. No famine in Tibet until the Chinese arrived. Think about how young he was & the Chinese went and confiscated the land from people shortly after they took it away. It ended up in the hands of Chinese officials.
iamlumin 3 years ago
1, when and how did dllm carry out the social reforms? which schools or hospital were built under his order?
2, even though the han chinese starved to death in year 60th, they still built roads and many facilities in tibet!
shame on you, gratefulness beast!
magnietuit 3 years ago
And a its a reality that a free Tibet movement exists and grows too - the natural progressive laws of reality reality - indubitably
DrPork4freedom 3 years ago
and it is also a reality, that no matter how much they grow, they are still barking out side of china.
magnietuit 3 years ago
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is barking mad. You and the rest of the CCP should learn more about the countries Tibet and China.
ChinaKillsNuns 3 years ago
if you feel comfortable to call me ccp, i don't border.
but can you escape from the reality?
either can you prove that tibet was independent since 13th century, nor can you convince that the losers in DH can get along with other ethnics.
such comfort is so fake, so stupid.
magnietuit 3 years ago
But you are not comfortable with lying, which is what the Chinese Communist Party does.
You should seek the truth and come over to the pro truth side.
ChinaKillsNuns 3 years ago
i am totally comfortable with what i have asked
and i am even more comfortable to learn that you can't convince yourself;
magnietuit 3 years ago
When you ask questions it is difficult for you to lie. But when you make statements I have caught you lying and counted your lies.
ChinaKillsNuns 3 years ago
lie about what?
magnietuit 3 years ago
You agree that you have lied.
ChinaKillsNuns 3 years ago
lie about what?
magnietuit 3 years ago
did you know that I get a blank message from youtube when you repeat yourself?
So you agree with me that you have lied.
ChinaKillsNuns 3 years ago
lie about what?
magnietuit 3 years ago
thank you for your answer: reality is reality.
So the reality is: the whole world didn't and doesn't consider you as independant.
That's the reality.
magnietuit 3 years ago
No, that's your view of reality which is inherently fictional and thus a non-existent, non-reality.
iamlumin 3 years ago
my view?
then which country in the world ever acknowledges tibet as an independent country?
magnietuit 3 years ago
Prior to the invasion Tibet was very isolated from the world. Not many foreigners knew much about it. No permanent Chinese residents either. Just traders and people who worked at the mission offices, same for India and the British. Note: International Law does not require recognition from "other" but independence is recognized through implication. Tibetans are a distinct group of people with a distinct language, script, had their own monetary system passports, signed treaties, etc.
iamlumin 3 years ago
if tibet was so independent, it didn't need any approval from jiang jie shi, the president of ROC for the naming of dllm 13th.
they did it, because it was a tradition. It was a tradition, because there were ever heavy control from beijing above tibet, so heavy that it has become a tradition. Even when ROC was busy with WWII, they didn't abandon this tradition, if they did, dllm 13 would not be recognized by the tibetans.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Chinese mythology designed to perpetuate a lie. There was no such tradition. WWII was 1939 - 1945. The great 13th Dalai Lama died in 1933. You've been lied to or you're one of the liars who know you are lying. I don't know which and it really doesn't matter.
iamlumin 3 years ago
I made a mistake, I meant Dalai Lama 14th, the current dalai lama.
Since 17th century, all dalai lama was approved by beijing, the documents, golden seals are still kept in museums in Beijing and Lhasa. Yearly visited by billions of people.
magnietuit 3 years ago
By the way, Tibetans do not recognize the Panchen Lama selected by the Chinese. They can't speak out for fear of reprisals but they know the truth. Most Tibetans I've spoken with feel bad for the kid selected by the Chinese. He's being used as a political pawn. The real one selected by the Dalai Lama, the Chinese will not allow anyone one, even human rights orgs to see him. He was kidnapped when he was six years old.
iamlumin 3 years ago
All Panchen Lama were selected according to the tradition and legalized by Beijing since 17th century.
The approval and gold seals are kept in museum in beijing and lhasa, being visited by billions of people.
you can deny everything, but people will still go to the museum, look the evidences by themselves.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Yes, people go and that's the Chinese plan. Promote lies, forged documents, convince not only their citizens but the world that Tibet belongs to them. It's rooted in nothing but complete fiction. They may have convinced you but we know the truth.
iamlumin 3 years ago
lies?
The musea's are full with seals, orders, approvals, documentations which show the firm control from the chinese governments, yet you still dare to say Tibet was never a part of China.
how stupid.
magnietuit 3 years ago
1) The 13th DL Thupten Gyatso proved to be a skillful politician when Tibet became a pawn in the great game between Russia, China and Britain. He was a reformer and took a lot of power away from monks. He was discovered after predictions made from State Oracles. He suffered through the British invasion and the Manchu invasion only to return and make it clear that Tibet was independent.
The 13th Dalai Lama's prediction before he died:
iamlumin 3 years ago
such a great reformer didn't change anything in tibet or in dharamshala.
DH was so called democratic, but they never change the head of the government. DH was so called free, but they don't accept other buddism branch if it is not accepted by the yellow branch.
wow, how great!
magnietuit 3 years ago
That's right keep pointing to things that have nothing to do with the Chinese invasion, occupation, exploitation and oppression of a peaceful neighbor. Perhaps this makes you feel more comfortable and less complicit but in reality it does nothing at all.
iamlumin 3 years ago
if Tibet was always free, how come dalai lama 13th tried like hell to be independent?
if Tibet was always free, how come Dalai lama could become the ruling system in Tibet, who made them the head of Tibet? -- qing emperors!
if tibet was always free, how come for hundreds of years they couldn't assign even one official without the approval of beijing?
shameless idiot.
magnietuit 3 years ago
He didn't try like hell to become independent. He clarified that Tibet was an independent country.
Tibet was ruled by Tibetan rulers during the Mongol Empire. The Yuan Dynasty was a Mongol Dynasty
ruled by Mongols. Tibet broke away from Mongol influence well before the Chinese did.
The Han-Chinese were conquered by the Manchus, which established the Qing Dynasty, The Manchus
today are a minority under Chinese occupation. The Han are the largest ethnic group by far.
iamlumin 3 years ago
are you telling the world that China started only since 1911?
I like your answer. Keep going.
magnietuit 3 years ago
I'm simply pointing out that your historical dates are as arbitrary as any other. The point is on the day of the military invasion, the so-called "liberation", Tibet was an independent country separate from China. Would you prefer we start history on the day that Tibet conquered ancient capital of China? Then we can start at that point if you like.
iamlumin 3 years ago
was? when? 700 years ago?
tibet was ruled by mongolians and manchurians and you are oke with it. yet you still dare to say tibet was always an independent country.
magnietuit 3 years ago
I never said ruled, not like in China's case. Tibet as well as China as well as many others have come under the influence of foreign powers. Tibet was a pawn between Russia, China and the British. China was conquered by others throughout history, Surely you know this. Let's talk about recent times. Let's talk about what is at issue. Invasion was only 60 years ago not hundreds of years ago and it is still a prominent issue for people all over the world.
iamlumin 3 years ago
wow, not ruled?
the tibetan kings were even captured and sentenced to death by beijing, yet you say it was not ruled.
there was no dalai lama who was not named and governed by beijing, yet you said it was not ruled.
how stupid.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Tibet once conquered ancient capital of China so should begin history at that point? China holds onto Tibet by force, invaded with force, occupies with force. That's a fact. China is in Tibet for the resources, i.e. land, space, lumber, copper, uranium, gold, silver, not to mention the waters originating in Tibet are the primary watershed for most of Asia. Add to all of this the strategic military location and the fact that many Chinese officials are using Tibet to stuff their pockets.
iamlumin 3 years ago
conquered?
they intruded in chang an, made a tang prince as the new emperor, after 40 days, they were kicked out of chang an by guo zi yi.
1. they didn't take over tang dynasty
2. 40 days is as short as a fart.
what a fart history.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Ah, so many lies and the Chinese have been very diligent at spreading them.
In 763, China's capital Chang'an (modern day Xian) was invaded by Tibet and China had to pay an annual tribute to Tibet. In 783, a treaty was concluded which laid down the borders between Tibet and China.
iamlumin 3 years ago
2) "Very soon in this land, with a harmonious blend of religion and politics, deceptive acts may occur from without and within. At that time, if we do not dare to protect our territory, our spiritual personalities including the Victorious Father and Son (Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama) may be exterminated without trace, the property and authority of our Lakangs (residences of reincarnated lamas) and monks may be taken away.
iamlumin 3 years ago
territory?
the territory of dalai lama was much smaller than the current tibet, let along 3 chinese provinces.
now he wants to take other chinese provinces which were never ever his territory and he calls this protection?
fuck you! shameless beast!
magnietuit 3 years ago
Now that's an absolute lie! It's so sad. Yes, the Chinese authorities are very good at spreading lies, propaganda, forced reeducation, altering books and teaching distortions to their citizens and then presenting this crap to the world. There's no denying it, yet a lie is a lie. You know, Tibet once conquered ancient Chinese capital. Should we start history at that point? Come on! On the day of the invasion Tibet was an independent country, plain and simple.
iamlumin 3 years ago
i can give you 67 references which got nothing to do with China, they are all from USA resource or UK resource.
do you want them?
magnietuit 3 years ago
What does that prove? The Chinese have had decades to spread lies. They even brought their stupid museum tour to spread more lies. The lies run deep and as more time goes by things get very convoluted. This is exactly what they wanted. Don't you get it? Keep everyone occupied while they go about and line their pockets. I can give hundreds of references but I also have direct observation and family observation on my side. You have lies that have been passed around for decades.
iamlumin 3 years ago
then you better say that the whole world is lying, because there was no country and there is no country in the world acknowledged tibet as a country since 13th century.
magnietuit 3 years ago
3) Moreover, our political system, developed by the Three Great Dharma Kings (Tri Songtsen Gampo, Tri Songdetsen and Tri Ralpachen) will vanish without anything remaining. The property of all people, high and low, will be seized and the people forced to become slaves. All living beings will have to endure endless days of suffering and will be stricken with fear. Such a time will come."
iamlumin 3 years ago
wow, how great! for 50 years, always the same leader. even in north korea they had 2 leaders in 50 years, in dharamshala? always the same one.
magnietuit 3 years ago
calling me not exist is not tibetan buddism wisdom, it is called "stab your head into the sand!"
magnietuit 3 years ago
Now what else could fiction point to but other fiction in order to try to proclaim that it is real? No head in the sand, total immersion in reality as reality works exclusively with reality. I see through "you" and see thus you are nothing.
iamlumin 3 years ago
what make you so difficult to just give a small comparison of Dhalamshala and Lhasa?
DH is free and democratic, it is shangrila, Lhasa is raped, tortuned, destroyed, isn't it?
magnietuit 3 years ago
In your own mind, in your own world you already made the comparison. Suffering is wanting things to be other than the way they seem to be. Regardless of whether or not you believe you personally exist or not, are you going to spend your life in futile debates, false accusations and fruitless attacks? Is so, then so be it. It is starting nowhere, going nowhere and thus ending nowhere.
iamlumin 3 years ago
you don't have to convince me.
Convince the world, please.
magnietuit 3 years ago
I don't need to convince anyone. The world is already convinced. The world you speak of has no foundation in reality and thus is no world at all. Truth is still true regardless of whether you see it or not. Reality is still real whether regardless of whether you experience it or not.
iamlumin 3 years ago
yes, the world is convinced by the fact:
there was and there is no country in the world which acknowledge tibet as an independant country.
Isn't that clear enough to you?
magnietuit 3 years ago
I'm very clear, not because of you in spite of you. You see it how you see it from your view of the world. Unfortunately, you don't exist, so your view is fictional and any conclusions you draw as a result are thus fictional as well. I need not defend truth, truth is truth and needs no defense from anyone.
iamlumin 3 years ago
thank you for the answer which shows how sick you are.
magnietuit 3 years ago
You're quite welcome.
iamlumin 3 years ago
following your logic, you see yourself as independant.
But the world don't see you as independant, so if you were not seen by the world in this way, you are actually not exist.
magnietuit 3 years ago
your dirty grandfathers grand lamas fuck the young monks in the monasteries, i guess they never told you this.
tibet was never shagrila, instead, it is far from shagrila, it was full of sins, lies, blood and tears, romanize old tibet, ignoring the modernized tibet only embarrasses yourself.
magnietuit 3 years ago
her story is full of empty words, while little numbers, and solid facts, which is a commen character of epotimes. Epotimes is famous for provide shocking news without any solid base and it says ALL THE TIME, that due to some reason, this news resource is not tracible.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Empty words, altered history books, forced reeducation, these are the attributes of the Chinese news sources as they are controlled by the Chinese communist party. Her direct observations and experience are in stark contrast to your fixed ideas that are not based upon direct observation and experience. Like I said, what you say means nothing, it's all hearsay, all third party, all from distorted sources. I on the other hand have lived it, my friends, my family have lived it.
iamlumin 3 years ago
michael parenti and his 67 references are not chinese propaganda, but USA, UK, German, and swiss media's
magnietuit 3 years ago
Again, direct experience. I have lived it. Only an insane person would argue this point. It would be like me trying to tell you what your childhood was like, what your parents and grandparents said and what you country was like even though I had spent little time there and never met your parents or grandparents.
iamlumin 3 years ago
if you have spent years in tibet, ask your grandmother how did she feel marrying to 4-5 men, ask your grandfather where did he get the land.
magnietuit 3 years ago
by the way, i read the artile of zhu rui.
she spent a lot of ink to describe how honest the tibetans are, i don't doubt that. while her critizing many sounds contradictious.
1. she said herself that she loves tibet, but she won't learn tibetan.
2. ccp members and ambternaars are prohibit to attend several important ceremony.
3. she said since 1978 there were no sex disease but she forgot to mention synpallia before 1978
magnietuit 3 years ago
4, she said more chinese should visit tibet to get an unbiased view of tibet, while when the railway was finished, didn't you guys protest like a hell? without roads, how can the chinese visit tibet, to get unbiased views? to spend money in tibet?
5. she said young boys are only allowed to be monks since 18. While DLLM said, modern education must be given more attention to the young generation, if you become monk before you become adult, when on earth you have time for modern education?
magnietuit 3 years ago
"It should be noted that the Dalai Lama is not the only highly placed lama chosen in childhood as a reincarnation. One or another reincarnate lama or tulku--a spiritual teacher of special purity elected to be reborn again and again--can be found presiding over most major monasteries. The tulku system is unique to Tibetan Buddhism. Scores of Tibetan lamas claim to be reincarnate tulkus."
magnietuit 3 years ago
"To welcome the end of the old feudal theocracy in Tibet is not to applaud everything about Chinese rule in that country. This point is seldom understood by todays Shangri-La believers in the West. The converse is also true: To denounce the Chinese occupation does not mean we have to romanticize the former feudal régime. Tibetans deserve to be perceived as actual people, not perfected spiritualists or innocent political symbols. "
magnietuit 3 years ago
Google "The Distorted Image of Tibet" and read this article written by a Han-Chinese writer. (4) parts and very insightful.
iamlumin 3 years ago
also google xu ming xu (徐明旭. Xu was persecuted by ccp during the culture revolution, he was dumpted in tibet for labour reformance, during his 4 years in tibet, he has gave a deep report for the tibetan culture, society and religion.
magnietuit 3 years ago
"What I am disputing is the supposedly pristine spiritual nature of that pre-invasion culture. We can advocate religious freedom and independence for a new Tibet without having to embrace the mythology about old Tibet. Tibetan feudalism was cloaked in Buddhism, but the two are not to be equated. In reality, old Tibet was not a Paradise Lost. It was a retrograde repressive theocracy of extreme privilege and poverty, a long way from Shangri-La."
magnietuit 3 years ago
visit michael parenti org.
"One common complaint among Buddhist followers in the West is that Tibets religious culture is being undermined by the Chinese occupation. To some extent this seems to be the case. Many of the monasteries are closed, and much of the theocracy seems to have passed into history. Whether Chinese rule has brought betterment or disaster is not the central issue here. The question is what kind of country was old Tibet."
magnietuit 3 years ago
That's not the central question. If we can rationalize and justify every country that we disagreed with in terms of the way they are governed then there'd be new invasions and territorial intrusions everyday of the week. I never said old Tibetan system was perfect. I'm saying Tibetans should be free to run their own country. China is raping Tibet at the moment and there is massive oppression of not just monks and nuns but other Tibetans as well.
iamlumin 3 years ago
a basic principle is when the hell was tibet a country?
if it was always a province, or an autonomous area, then it stays a province, or an autonomous area.
also, look at dhalamshala, an area ruled by tibetans ex-elites, is it a better place than lhasa?
magnietuit 3 years ago
You know, actually prior to the invasion Tibet was never a part of China. However, there was a point in history when Tibet conquered various parts of China. Dhalamshala is not the home of Tibetans. It is not their country. Lhasa is almost completely ruined, it's like a tacky Disneyland for tourist.
iamlumin 3 years ago
if it was never a part of china, why since 1240 all ambternaars need approval from beijing and your dalai lama's need the approvals as well for the official naming from beijing?
why on atlas maps 1805-1949 tibet was always inside china?
magnietuit 3 years ago
Again, China had been trying to get its hands on Tibet for years. Your information about amblernaars and Dalai Lama's is completely false. We needed no approval from Beijing. Beijing wanted Chinese people to believe this so they promoted lies about this to get the people on their side.
iamlumin 3 years ago
the golden stamps, all the scriptions, the approvals are still in library and museums, the atlas maps are on line, anybody can download it.
magnietuit 3 years ago
In addition, every Tibetan I know is certain of our country never being part of China. You're saying that we have always been part of China, always a province. You're insane! Do you really think we wouldn't know, our parents wouldn't know, our grandparents wouldn't know? Again, direct experience superior to your indoctrinated ideas.
iamlumin 3 years ago
every tibetan that you know are not tibetan in tibet, but rootless rat in india or being dumpted in other countries.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Um, that would be incorrect.
iamlumin 3 years ago
At least you admit it's a separate country and an occupied country. Since 1963 the Tibetan government in exile has had a democratic system in place. The Chinese are in Tibet for the resources and for the strategic military location. Yes, nearly a thousand brothels in our sacred city of Lhasa is insulting, hurtful, insensitive, and is like spiting on our culture and our religious way of life.
iamlumin 3 years ago
i didn't, that's the word of michael parenti.
you should feel shameful to mention brothels, your own tibetan women know exactly how corrupted tibetans monks are!
just ask them if they wanted to go back to the tibetan tradition, which they must have sex with monks, which they must married to 5-6 men, which they carries sex diseases for generations!
magnietuit 3 years ago
What's shameful is that Chinese brought this shameful institution to Tibet and everyone knows they are there to service the Chinese troops. Nearly 1,000 brothels is one thing add to that they're located in are most sacred holy city.
iamlumin 3 years ago
please name a country in the world which don't have a brothel.
please name a lama in DH who never fucked a woman or never fucked with each other.
magnietuit 3 years ago
You simply don't understand. Comparing Lhasa to New York city is insane. You just don't get it, don't want to get it because it would make you feel wrong. Be on your way with your fixed ideas, brainwashed beliefs that make you feel more comfortable so you can rationalize and justify what China has done and is doing to Tibet and Tibetan people. Good luck, you're going to need it. Trust me, I have absolute certitude on this.
iamlumin 3 years ago
Why DH can not compare with Lhasa? DH is free, democratic, each year hundreds of millions of donations in $, Lhasa got only cruel chinese who killed almost ALL tibetans, you should be proud to compare DH with Lhasa!
you are the person who don't understand!
magnietuit 3 years ago
You don't exist. You are a mirage that is easily seen through.
iamlumin 3 years ago
even if i don't exist, you still can compare DH with Lhasa, there is no connection between your comparison and me.
if you don't want to compare, or you can't compare, then the whole world will see, what you have told them.
magnietuit 3 years ago
As you don't exist and are nothing more than a passing mirage all that appears to emanate from you has no foundation in reality and thus has no meaning at all. Do all you wish, believe all you wish, and in the end it means nothing, you accomplish nothing!
iamlumin 3 years ago
i'm not important, but the world is waiting for your comparison.
magnietuit 3 years ago
That's entirely in your own mind and considering you do not exist in reality either does your mind so the only world waiting is the one that is in your own mind and thus no one is waiting.
iamlumin 3 years ago
i'm not exist doesn't mean the world is not exist.
you don't have to submit your comparison to me, you should submit it to the world, to convince them that you are right.
magnietuit 3 years ago
again, Why DH can not compare with Lhasa? DH is free, democratic, each year hundreds of millions of donations in $, Lhasa got only cruel chinese who killed almost ALL tibetans, you should be proud to compare DH with Lhasa!
magnietuit 3 years ago
Tibetans are subject to arbitrary arrest and detention
Torture still prevails in Chinese prisons and detention centres
Enforced disappearances, where a person is taken into custody and the details of their detention are not disclosed, continue to occur.
The 11-year-old 11th Panchen Lama has been missing since his status was announced in 1995.
Today, it appears the Chinese are using Tibet as a dumping ground for their, and foreign, nuclear waste.
tibet(.)net
(Central Tibetan Administration)
nzgav 3 years ago
By 1961, Chinese occupation authorities expropriated the landed estates owned by lords and lamas. They distributed many thousands of acres to tenant farmers and landless peasants, reorganizing them into hundreds of communes.. Herds once owned by nobility were turned over to collectives of poor shepherds. Improvements were made in the breeding of livestock, and new varieties of vegetables and new strains of wheat and barley were introduced, along with irrigation improvements,
magnietuit 3 years ago
Whatever wrongs and new oppressions introduced by the Chinese after 1959, they did abolish slavery and the Tibetan serfdom system of unpaid labor. They eliminated the many crushing taxes, started work projects, and greatly reduced unemployment and beggary. They established secular schools, thereby breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries. And they constructed running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Don't forget the raping of the environment, looting of monasteries, murder, torture and forced relocation. Don't forget the nearly 1,000 brothels and the tacky shops and amusement parks on in our holiest city.
iamlumin 3 years ago
read the articles, before you say anything about monasteries, otherwise you are just helping me.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Helping you? You are insane and perhaps beyond help. I am not in a battle with you nor am I defending a position. As I said, we know our cause is just and we know that Tibet belongs to Tibetans and always has. You may win land and hold it at the barrel of a gun but you will never win the hearts and minds of Tibetans through force. Harmony arises through the heart not with guns, oppression, torture, etc.
iamlumin 3 years ago
you are helping me by repeating the monasteries, and why the formal elites hated CCP so much, after people read the references from michael parenti and your comments, they will say: michael was right!
magnietuit 3 years ago
Michael parenti just mentioned that there were 8000 monassteries in tibet before 1949, 80% of them were blood suckers.
if you are real buddists, the brothels are just a piece of shit for you, right?
magnietuit 3 years ago
according to a report from the CIA itself, meaning they were most likely captured and killed.29 Many lamas and lay members of the elite and much of the Tibetan army joined the uprising, but in the main the populace did not, assuring its failure, writes Hugh Deane.30 In their book on Tibet,
magnietuit 3 years ago
In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. . . . The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.24 As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhisms western proselytes.
magnietuit 3 years ago
In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the intolerable tyranny of monks and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lamas rule as an engine of oppression. At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. OConnor, observed that the great landowners and the priests exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,
magnietuit 3 years ago
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.
magnietuit 3 years ago
"They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location. 17"
magnietuit 3 years ago
"In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the middle-class families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery"
magnietuit 3 years ago
"Young Tibetan boys were regularly taken from their peasant families and brought into the monasteries to be trained as monks. Once there, they were bonded for life. Tashì-Tsering, a monk, reports that it was common for peasant children to be sexually mistreated in the monasteries. He himself was a victim of repeated rape, beginning at age nine. 14 The monastic estates also conscripted children for lifelong servitude as domestics, dance performers, and soldiers."
magnietuit 3 years ago
"Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The Dalai Lama himself lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.
magnietuit 3 years ago
visit: Friendly Fuedalism from Michael Parenti:
"Until 1959, when the Dalai Lama last presided over Tibet, most of the arable land was still organized into manorial estates worked by serfs. These estates were owned by two social groups: the rich secular landlords and the rich theocratic lamas. "
magnietuit 3 years ago
"Even a writer sympathetic to the old order allows that a great deal of real estate belonged to the monasteries, and most of them amassed great riches. Much of the wealth was accumulated through active participation in trade, commerce, and money lending"
magnietuit 3 years ago
if i were you, i would try to repair the relationship with China, stay low, attacking chinese or ccp can only help to lock yourself permanently out of tibet.
magnietuit 3 years ago
as a matter of fact, china doesn't need you guys to come back. It is you, who must return, desperately, otherwise, after the death of DL, you never could return.
Once the tibetans don't believe in your fake DLLM 15, you are valueless to USA, you will be unemployment without any compensation.
magnietuit 3 years ago
a slave holder said that the slaves didn't need any liberation.
magnietuit 3 years ago
all your theory is based on "invasion"
how come, after hundreds pages, you can't put the solid evidences forward that tibet was divorced with china, muturally agreed, and internationally acknowledged?
when on earth was you an independant country?
magnietuit 3 years ago
you claimed that your husband beat you up EVERYDAY, that you almost died, therefore, in order to protect yourself, you choose to stay by your husband....
what kind of logic is this?
magnietuit 3 years ago
That entire statement defies logic and sanity!
iamlumin 3 years ago
you better say the whole world "defies logic" as there is no country in the world acknowledges tibet as a country!
magnietuit 3 years ago
Of course, I would acknowledge the the whole world defines logic. Watch the news, read the papers, we live in an insane world where people worship things over people, materialism over heart, and the accumulation of stuff rather than the awareness of spiritual truth.
iamlumin 3 years ago
if every body knows tibet was independant, why couldn't every body just put a convention forward which legailized the independance?
magnietuit 3 years ago
One word, "fear". The international community does not want to risk upsetting the Chinese. The Americans like many others, are using China to finance their debt and others just want the economic benefits of China as a trading partner. It's a basic human obsession to put materialism above heart, morality and integrity. Many will do business with the most evil piece of crap on earth if it benefits them.
iamlumin 3 years ago
in 1949, China was one of the poorest country in the world, who was afraid of whom? idiot?
magnietuit 3 years ago
Do some history research. The international community was a bit busy with a few other problems at that time. Also, Tibet having been so remote for so many years, people around the world knew little about it.
iamlumin 3 years ago
if it was busy on 1949, how come after 59 years, they are still too busy to acknowledge you as an independant country?
magnietuit 3 years ago
Still busy and now afraid to upset what they consider to be their most important trading partner and least we forget China is financing the world's debt. In addition, people in general don't care much about issues until they arrive at their own doorstep. It's the nature of humanity.