Tomorrow Show - New Wave Music Discussion Pt 1

[MrLiberty1972]

fuck Kim is so awesome! I love that guy. I'm surprised to hear Billy Graham talking like this, considering the shows he put on in the '60s!?!?

[djshelleymack]

Fascinating hearing people discussing this stuff from the actual time, thanks for uploading!

And for all his front, I think Kim Fowley actually makes the most insightful comments, especially in part 2.

[MrSoulauctioneer]

history has proven that the sex pistols werent anything but a producer created tool.

[whitewitchoz]

"Show me an artist and forget the trend." - Clive Davis

[independentjames1]

NO f,n Clue

[9700camie]

we need more Kim Fowleys in the music industry

[bemoviedirector]

good god that actor did look like kim fowley

[Darrylizer1]

Wow, Kim worked with Face Dancer. I remember those guys, not that rewarding.

[besozzzz]

kim is hilarious.. funny guy...

[jste77]

tom snyder's looks so 1977ish - reading from cards, talking about telegrams, etc.

[thisisjustme1]

Haha, the Yanks never had a clue......

[RockSalami]

What's the date of this showing?

[NightFlight007]

@RockSalami

This is from October 11th 1977

[ToolsnFire]

@NightFlight007....... U2(as Feedback, and, The Hype) had been together for one year as of the date of this TV broadcast, and they were excited about the new young music culture which they were developing in.

[lizzyblack1]

Bill is a fuckhead. i like how Kim is holding the flower lol!!! it dosnt matter what the band wears on stage thats what they feel the most themselvs in. LUV YA JOANIE 

[ClarissaRissapissa]

Kim Fowley is a JERK!

[dannydangerously]

bowie wannabe

[MrJamesrnolan]

Whoever wrote those notes for Tom was slightly incorrect. The New York punk scene was starting up concurrent with the Brit punk scene (The Ramones formed in '74 ; the Pistols were assembled by Malcolm McLaren in '75). Kim Fowley said "punk isn't entertaining or melodic"--a lot of kids, including this then-17-year-old would disagree. The Jam were punk in attack, melodic in structure and lyrically socialpolitical--to label them as "New Wave" paints them into a corner they never belonged in.

[salvadory]

@MrJamesrnolan you need to watch the interview - weller himself says the jam are new wave and he rejects the punk label and dislikes it" Wellers own words!!!

[MrJamesrnolan]

@salvadory I know that's what he said,and he had every right to say that because it's what he believed at the time.I'm thinking about it more in hindsight. The Jam happened to burst on the scene in punk's heyday with a punky musical attack,but this is not necessarily labeling them Punk,as they had good melodies which improved as they progressed.There were so many mediocre acts under the New Wave banner it tarnished the label,so it's better to think of the Jam as a great rock band sans labels.

[salvadory]

@MrJamesrnolan while i understand your point they had the energy of 60s garage bands- punk was not invented in 1976- try 1965 in the garages ! New wave was tarnished later but when weller said it it meant bands like joy division wire the fall etc who were great- The clash and the jam become so much more than any label- in the end just great rock bands! so there ill agree 100%

[MrJamesrnolan]

@salvadory I'm more than acquainted with '60s garage rock,documented on Nuggets,Pebbles,and lesser known comps,as well as the Sonics,the monks,et al.,which is what I meant by "punk attack" By "punk's heyday" I meant that particular late '70s era the Jam came out in,not that punk was invented then.And exactly,for every Joy Division, Fall, Magazine, Wire, Cramps, that excelled '76-'80, there were later an equal number of safer, unchallenging bands called New Wave eating up record store shelves.

[salvadory]

@MrJamesrnolan agreed but people calling them new wave doesnt make them new wave- the new wave was initially tern to describe new british bands coming out who werent punk but werent typical rock- the term stuck in a social content and in music media- but bands like howard jones -kajagogo duran duran etc that were called new wave were in fact just crap- new wave became about synths funny hair but those like you and me know better- in the end the jam were just a great band- new wave or not!

[Darrylizer1]

@MrJamesrnolan

I've always thought of the Jam as mod revivalists in the same vein as the early Who or the Creation. Stylistically the Jam were very similar both musically and visually. I never considered them punk, they were too melodic and tight, but they had the same aggression.

[MioneRiddle1926]

Yeah that Bill guy is a fucker who knows nothing about the music, music doesn't always make you do shit, it's the band's choices and most of it is innuendoes not actions and Clothing is what makes you unique BASTARD BILL<33 LOVE YA JOANIE!!

[BreakingUpStereotype]

The Runaways <3

Oh god, even though I can't stop considering Kim as such an utter creeper, theres a part of me that screams "He's a bloody genius, rock'n'roll, artistic etc"

[desasterz]

Richard Hell of Television and the Voidoids was the first to wear torn clothes safety pins. He also wrote the song "Blank Generation" that influenced Glen Matlock to write "Pretty Vacant". Lets dispell that myth first.

[animaniaco]

Kim is such a character!!But he's a smart guy.

Oh ,and what to say about 1:53 to 2:52 ???

My goodness,how HOT they could be?

[Holdenon3]

Kim Fowley is making sense.

I'm scared.

Hold me.

[jennylens]

ALL COLOR PHOTOS which opened the show ARE MINE! That's a shot me w/the gun. Yes, Kim Fowley is bright but the weirdest, meanest, selfish, greedy, sexist, SOB. Guess you had to hear him. I know, he has fans, I've met them. But he was always sooo rude and lewd, whenever I saw/heard him.Check out my photos when I've rebuilt my site (again).

[brabon1]

please notice that right off the bat tom bought into the press about the sex pistols...which was all hype (mostly fueled by mclaren) nothing the pistols did on stage wasnt done before (iggy and the stooges)

[kirbygene]

Can anyone tell me when in 1977 his was recorded? The month.

[beanworldcows]

i have a strange kind of respect for kim fowley.

[kirbygene]

You have just expressed what I was thinking. I've based my negative opinions on Fowley on Runaway stories and was prepared to dislike him here. Instead, he seemed to make the best points and handled himself very well with Tom, who wanted to make fun of him and couldn't get away with it.

[beanworldcows]

exactly! he really put tom in his place, it was almost funny.

[ryanxwalton]

I still believe smoking is what really killed Tom Snyder, even though it says leukemia.

[SconeMason]

I think we all have our crazy Kim Fowley story, but the truth is that if you watch this whole thing, between the nonsequiturs he really knows what he's talking about and is charming in a hip Count Dracula sort of way. I know from my own brief experience that his ego is gargantuan, but that's what has kept him going all this time, and it's hard to argue against.

[reverseygolohcysp]

If they could only see music now!!! Ah ha ha

[cwritero3]

SO many LABLES. this is what made people hate the music business. at least they were straight forward about it though. they didn't disguise that they were TRYING to market music like that... this is insane!!!!!!!!! :(

[suzylux]

Oh if I had been Cherie or any of the girls in the band (besides Joan) I so would have fallen under the spell of Kim as well. He is hypnotic, and weird, and wise, and crazy, and brilliant, and...gay? but not. but...., he's just insanely awesome but terrible. I dunno....I love him tho. :((

[rizzo3593]

why do u say besides Joan, i dont get it?

[suzylux]

@rizzo3593 Because Joan is the only one he didn't mess with. I guess they had a mutual respect for eachother.

[hirskdubbi]

not to mention joans gay

[78JayBird78]

what do you by 'mess with' what did he do ?

[AlwaysRandomGirl247]

because joan would kick his @, man! lol. jk. XD

[suzylux]

I really hope Kim isn't as bad as he's been made out to be, because he is such a freaky neat twaatt and I kinda love 'im. I just am a sucker for someone who is weird and doesn't care what people think about them. And I think his style is dope-on-a-rope tbh.

[powergirl901]

I sure miss the Tomorrow show. It was on really late. Neat.

[jacobladders]

im sorry to say but bill ghraham seems like alittle bit of an arrogant fuckhead

[NightFlight007]

My guess is that this was rare for the day for him to be on a TV interview. Print journalists were not on TV much before cable TV came along - back when there were four channels that were only on the air 18 hours a day...

It would be interesting to here a more recent interview with Ghraham.

[dennisg69]

By many accounts, Bill Graham was "an arrogant fuckhead" - it served him well.

Bill Graham was not a journalist, he was a promoter (and so much more).

Bill Graham is one of the most important figures in Rock & Roll history; he has a right to be arrogant.

I suggest you do some googling and learn about Bill Graham's contributions to the history of Rock & Roll.

His biography "Bill Graham Presents: My Life Inside Rock And Out" is an incredible read.

[brabon1]

@NightFlight007 he wasnt a print journalist, he was a promoter and at the time was the biggest promoter of pop and rock in the world. and you wont see anything recent with him, he is dead. he does come off as pompous, which is sad, because he did indeed promote many new wave bands

[loungelizard5000]

A lot of these episodes I was talking about can be seen here on youtube.

[r3vk3nny]

The only songs that are illegally downloaded are crap songs. Criminal music downloaded, stolen, by criminals. It's obvious by watching this old video that even then, the record labels really didn't get it. They'll make money again when they start putting out music worth buying.

[bootieslaya]

The current music industry is overrun by square, rigid people like this. We are in serious need of a music revolution!

[loungelizard5000]

Well.....you can call Tom Snyder a square but back then there was only 5 channels and no cable and NOBODY would have put these bands on for even a second. The only other talk shows were stuff like Merv griffin, Johnny Carson, Mike Douglas and Dinah Shore LOL. At least old Tom tried to put it out there. He also had a Lennon and Jagger etc. on the show back then. I even remember tom Petty being on there protesting his record company charging TOO MUCH for his new LP 6.99 I think !!! LOL

[Andremedia]

@bootieslaya You don't know what you're taliking about.. Here is Tom Snyder giving cutting edge exposure (perhaps some of the band's first national exposure) 32 years ago when it was brand new - ain an era when Blondie was first signed to a major label.

[NightFlight007]

@

Andremedia

Dead on the mark! Some people would complain if you hung them with a new rope!