Scriabin Piano Sonata No.2 Sonata-Fantasy スクリャービン ピアノソナタ 「幻想」

[Noshirm]

An exquisitely played first movement...and you make it flow along. So many play this movement entirely too slowly! The second movement is stormy and turbulent - how well you play it! Excellent work, Ai.

[nikolaimedtner]

Very fine performance, Ai! I actually like your rubato, i'm glad you are not afraid to play freely, as many other pianists are...;-)

[morinoroba]

@nikolaimedtner Thank you Mark for listening, and I am glad you like my rubato!

[Aishwaryashety]

nice piece .... :) you play well ... :D

[morinoroba]

@Aishwaryashety Thank you :-D

[titusbeertsen]

Very lovely, but be careful with the rubato, especially in the first movement...

[morinoroba]

@titusbeertsen Thank you for listening!

[titusbeertsen]

@morinoroba No problem, it's a pleasure. Do you actually appreciate my comment or do you feel insulted by my critique? cheers!

[morinoroba]

@titusbeertsen I don't feel insulted by you at all, but I would accept your critique only when I really got it myself.

[pianopera]

@titusbeertsen And what exactly is wrong with the rubato in the first movement?

[titusbeertsen]

@pianopera The rubato tends to be a bit excessive in some parts, which makes the piece lose some momentum, and makes it a bit too sugary at times. Especially this romantic piece (the first movement) has a lot of polyrhythms that alter the rhythm already so there's not really a need for 'rubato-ing' up the piece. The most important thing is to let the piece sing by keeping the long beautiful lines, so one can get a good notion and feeling of the developments. I mean this as positive criticism.

[pianopera]

@titusbeertsen I see...hmm, so let me think: in short, you want it to sound as dull, stiff and clumsy as your own Scriabin performances? Sorry to be blunt, but you are giving free "advice" to a pianist who is completely out of your league... you don't realize that it is YOU who should do something about the (lack of) rubato and phrasing in your playing...

[pianopera]

@pianopera ...if you think that you have to play metronomically whenever a polyrhythm appears, you haven't understood anything of Scriabin's style! You are probably referring to irrational rhythms, but they don't "alter" the time signature, and can be played expressively. Also, keeping long lines while playing rubato is very well possible, in fact it's necessary to keep it interesting.

[pianopera]

If you think that you have to play metronomically whenever a polyrhythm appears, you haven't understood anything of Scriabin's style! You are probably referring to irrational rhythms, but they don't "alter" the time signature, and can be played expressively. Also, keeping long lines while playing rubato is very well possible, in fact it's necessary to keep it interesting.

[titusbeertsen]

@pianopera No need to get personal here, I was just giving my opinion. Just like you're doing now. I never said it should sound dull/stiff/clumsy, of course not. I just pointed out that with less rubato it would sound better in my opinion. I know I'm out of her league, but I'm an amateur pianist. Thanks for the compliment. Instead of turning ad hominem, could you in turn point out why this rubato is justified here?

[pianopera]

@titusbeertsen Dear Titus, I could be mistaken but I think you started this exchange by giving this pianist a *personal* advice or "critique" that to me seems totally misplaced and unfounded... instead of giving your gratuitous opinions you'd be wise to study the subject more before you comment like that -- for example read the score of this sonata where is written "rubato" three times in the first movement, listen to the great pianists Sofronitsky, Feinberg, Horowitz in Scriabin, etc etc.

[titusbeertsen]

@pianopera I know there's 'rubato' written in the score, because I play the piece myself :) I studied the score extensively, and listened to all the names except Feinberg's recording of this piece. Listen to Richter's recording of this piece, he's the best example of what I would call keeping the 'lines' in the piece, what I was talking about. Just out of curiosity: are you a pianist yourself?

[pianopera]

@titusbeertsen If you did all that, then you should use that knowledge to make your own playing more free, accurate and less straightforward, to get it on a higher level... because it is really needed in this piece. I prefer Feinberg more than Richter in this Sonata, to me he really has the right balance between Scriabin's ecstacy, expressive freedom and pianistic control. Yes, I play the piano too. I sometimes give small concerts where I play solo, also duets with Ai Mori. ;-)

[titusbeertsen]

@pianopera Ah, je speelt af en toe met haar samen, nu begrijp ik waarom je je zo aangevallen voelde toen ik iets over haar spel zei. Maar, ik heb nog steeds geen argument gehoord waarom je vindt dat deze mate van rubato gerechtvaardigd is in dit geval. Ik zal iig nog even naar Feinbergs opname luisteren van dit stuk.

[pianopera]

@titusbeertsen Ik voel me helemaal niet aangevallen, maar jij schijnt niet te beseffen dat een beetje meer bescheidenheid hier geen kwaad zal kunnen. Niemand zit te wachten op jouw "adviezen", en zij al helemaal niet. Als je het nog steeds niet snapt dan twijfel ik aan je smaak en aan je oren...;-)

[titusbeertsen]

@pianopera Niks mis met mijn oren, dank je wel. Over bescheidenheid gesproken: 'als je het nog steeds niet snapt'... Denk dat ik genoeg van klassiek(en zeker Scriabin) weet om er iets over te zeggen, ook al ben ik een amateurpianist. Nogmaals ik bedoelde het als opbouwende kritiek, en als ze er niets wil mee doen is dat haar recht. Daarvoor zijn deze comments toch, dat de luisteraar zijn mening kan geven?

[pianopera]

@titusbeertsen That's right, every moron can give his/her opinion... and judging from your own playing, you haven't understood much of Scriabin "rubato"!

[titusbeertsen]

@pianopera Ik graag eens een argument zien waarom je vindt dat de rubato gerechtvaardigd is. Dat je mijn spel niet goed vindt weet ik nou wel.

[jazzysagytarium]

You play amazing! I love you haha! congratulations!!!

[morinoroba]

@jazzysagytarium Thank you for listening!

[cdebussy01]

スクリャービンの作品は初めて聴くのですが、とてもきらきらした­素敵な曲ですね。

Wikipediaで簡単に調べたところ、ロシア象徴主義の作曲­家で、現代音楽の先駆けとか。

フランス印象派音楽のドビュッシーやラベルの時代の後に続く時代­であることや、

ラフマニノフと同期であったことから、

彼らの作品の影響を凄く感じるサウンドだと感じました。

私には弾けそうにない難曲ですけどね＾＾

[morinoroba]

@cdebussy01 たくさんのコメントをありがとうございます。

[cdebussy01]

@morinoroba

はい。どういたしまして＾＾

[pianopera]

Spacious, expressive and poetic performance! I am glad that the acoustics now changed for the better, one can hear many more dynamic shadings in your playing. Omedetou!

[morinoroba]

@pianopera Thank you :-D

[chadmaster410]

this is your piece.the music just oozes out. Poweful yet innocent at times.

[morinoroba]

@chadmaster410 Thank you :-)

[FrankRMusic]

Wonderful!!!!

[morinoroba]

@FrankRMusic Thank you for listening.