Awesome Hickok ! I love my g20. I've done that on camera I've been told it's a waste of lead. I think NOT! Its a Freaking Thrill ! Breath taking ! Flat out fun. and most of all " my lead ". Thanks to our AMERICAN leader OBAMA I have so much amo ! what a great salesman that Obama . Thanks HickokI think I'm going to the range.
@mrcarterxxl.... NO, the G20 is NOT a good first gun for a beginner. Go with the G19 or 17 (both 9mm models) if you're learning to shoot. Plus, 10mm ammo is about 3 times the price of 9mm ammo bought at walmart. Most places now, you cant even find 10mm ammo unless you order online. Get the G20 later after u learn to shoot with a 9mm.
A good after market compensator like the one made by Lone Wolf reduce the recoil significantly making it as easy to shoot as a 9mm. And having a +2 base plate for 17 rounds makes more room for your supporting hand to control the recoil.
@hickok45 The 10mm was designed to be between the .357 magnum and the .41 magnum in power. Original design was a 200 grain bullet traveling at 1400 fps. Most factory loads now are weak by comparison but that is what it was supposed to produce. Double tap and Buffalo Bore produce to that standard [which is still within saami specs for 10mm].
@ivaylommm no. you will just injure and piss him the hell off. go with .357 or higher revolver if you want it for hiking. Some states do not allow you to shoot any animal with a semi auto pistol.
I just sent for a 10mm. I guess it was intrigue but I bought the Witness version. After looking at the ammo cost and trying to find it I wonder if it was a mistake. I have a Beretta PX4 Storm .45 ACP. Mistake or not?
@ivaylommm I would recomend bear spray for you!!! It is cheaper and can be more effective. With a fire arm you would have to hit one of the bears vital spots or you would just piss it off more. With bear spray you can just spray it at there face and it will turn the bear right around. It sprays far and it spreads good so you would have to have a good aim with it at all!!!
Glock 20 loaded with 15 rounds of Double Tap hard cast lead ammo will take down a bear with no problems. Of course you need to know how to shoot it like hickok45, but it will incapacitate any bear in North America. I have seen bear spray fail miserably because of distance and wind. If you are talking about trusting your life with a bear defense, you better take the firearm and not take your pathetic chances with bear spray.
Dude, you gotta stop sniffing the guns like that - the alarmist press isn't gonna save you from "Glock Lung" like they saved us all from sniffing microwave popcorn.
I found your videos after I bought my GLOCK 20. I love it so much, I put it on my CCW permit. I think there is nothing the Glock 20 won't do! BTW the 20 is my 13th Glock. Keep up the good work.
Im getting either the glock 20 or 29 next month and Im not sure if buffalo bore 180 grain hp bullets are going to increase wear on the gun. Someone help!
hickok45: You have better recoil control than any shooter I've seen on youtube (I assume you were firing "full" factory loads). This video should have been shown to the FBI brass before they decided that the 10mm was "too much gun" for their officers.
You should make a video about the key points of accurate defensive pistol shooting, focusing on grip, recoil control, trigger control, and aiming. How about sharing your SHOOTING expertise as well as your weapon expertise? more...
@GetMeThere1 : and what would be the ideal shooting instruction video? Show key clips from a series of session where you teach a raw beginner to shoot with the proper form, emphasizing the points I listed above. Show the transition before uninformed to informed and practiced shooting.
Not at all. Diameter doesn't count for everything when it comes to the power of a bullet. In the context of velocity and kinetic energy transfer, the 10mm wins out over the .45. Not that I'm bashing the .45 by any means.
glocksrock1, I wouldn't say that 10mm far surpasses .357 Magnum. For instance, DoubleTap--known for hot loads--has a 135g @ 1600 fps load for 10mm and a 125g @ 1600 fps load for .357 (out of a 4" bbl), which comes out to 767 vs 710 ft-lbs of energy, respectively. Increasing the 10mm bullet's weight to 155g to help equalize sectional density (to be fair) drops velocity to 1475 fps and energy to 749 ft-lbs. Firing the .357 out of a 6" bbl raises velocity to 1750 fps and energy to 850 ft-lbs....
...It is true, however, that many factory .357 Magnum loads are fairly light, close in energy to hot .40 S&W or .357 SIG loads, while 10mm Auto loads tend to be on the hot side in order to make the most out of a less-used caliber. The .357 Magnum does have more potential than it often shows, and can be fairly close to the 10mm Auto when using a 4" barrel.
Yep, because guns don't actually provide defense, just counter-offense, against other firearms (unlike a sword which if properly used can defend you against other melee weapons), whoever can land an effective hit the hardest and fastest usually ends up winning.
I don't think the 10x25mm's flatter trajectory, longer range, and better cover penetration over the 9x19mm or .45 ACP bullets should be discounted so quickly, though.
Mazryonh, the advantages of rounds such as .357 Magnum and 10mm over 9mm and .45 ACP are still marginal--shot placement and the many factors that go into landing accurate shots are ultimately what counts. Not everybody can shoot a hotter round as well as others. For example, while I can barely feel the difference between 9mm and .40 S&W, for some the difference is being able to make accurate follow-up shots at all. In general, shoot the largest, hottest round that you can handle skillfully.
Yes, I acknowledge how important shot placement and skill are when handling a firearm. I still don't understand something though--there are plenty of small-handed women in vids here on youtube who seem quite capable of accurately shooting high-power cartridges from the 10mm Auto to the .44 magnum rather well.
That's what makes me wonder just how many of those complaining about the 10mm auto's recoil were stating the truth or just didn't want to practice enough with it.
Mazryonh, physically weak shooters may be able to accurately fire single shots of the most powerful calibers, but quick and accurate follow-ups could still be an issue. In addition, the size of the rounds themselves can be a factor. I used to wonder why .40 S&W was created when light 10mm loads should work fine, but it turns out that those few mm of additional length can pose a problem for people with short fingers. High capacity + 10mm diameter + small grips = a shorter cartridge.
Oh I get it--you're saying the grip size due to the magazine size (again, dependent on its configuration and the bullet size) would be too big for some people with small hands and short fingers, which is something no amount of practice can change.
I take it then that a compensated 10x25mm pistol like the Glock 20C wasn't enough for those less-strong shooters to adapt to the cartridge's recoil?
Mazryonh, grip size might have been one contributing factor, as it is when I help smaller, shorter people choose handguns. If so in the case of 10mm (the FBI, for example, won't turn a person away just because they're small), then it is a rather unfortunate circumstance, but possibly true.
As for compensated or ported barrels, had such a feature been more popular itself, then 10mm might have had a better chance with respect to recoil, but most people don't like the tradeoffs involved.
Is it true that ported barrels effectively shorten the firearm's barrel, since more gas is allowed to escape earlier? Is it also true that they make a great deal more noise as well?
By the way, lest I appear as anti-10mm, for the record I wish that it had become mainstream instead of .40 S&W because it gives us a far greater range of power to choose from. That said, perhaps the problem is that it didn't go far enough to address a wider range of applications, sort of like a light-loaded .44 Magnum. Instead it matched the .41 Magnum in many respects, including its fate in the market. Even the .40 S&W had a somewhat successful precursor in the .38-40 WCF, historically....
I sure wish it had become mainstream as well. I can't help but wonder if the US military might have adopted it as a sidearm/SMG caliber--more power than the 9x19mm or .45 ACP bullets, similar capacity to 9x19mm magazines.
Soldiers don't need concealed weapons, and have to be strong and fit, anyhow.
I've seen vids of 10x25mm bullets penetrating certain configurations of kevlar--how much good would it do at turning an H&K MP5/10 into an armour-piercing PDW?
...Then there's the issue of 10mm being an auto-pistol round, which limits its utility in the minds of many to a combat role. Need something with more punch? Then use a big honking revolver that's even more powerful, or so the thinking goes. If it weren't for the fact that revolvers are still popular for personal defense, even the .357 Magnum might have been marginalized as a deer-hunting caliber by now despite its long history (and many factory loads are down close to combat levels anyway).
By "combat role" you mean "antipersonnel role," right?
I've heard tall tales of 10x25mm being used to hunt medium-size game, but I haven't seen vids of that. Maybe if MP5/10s were more in use by PDs we might see them shine against barricaded suspects.
Respectfully, I'm not aware of that stated in either the Hague or Geneva Convention(s). Marine special operations, amongst other US SOF, carry the .45.
i had a co-worker who got into trouble for carrying a .44 mag into an open conflict in desert storm.said it had something to do with the Geniva convention. there maybe some loophole or something as there is with anything. you could be completely right though, rules may also not apply the same for SOF as they do for the run of the mill crunchies. since its not really open conflict. if im wrong feel free to correct me. keep in mind, im goin of what he said, not research.
Mr. Hickok, I know you know alot more than me about bullet ballistics. can you explain to me how the this glock is more powerfull than the g21. I was under the impression that the .45 was more powerfull than the 10mm.
ramtron1775, the Glock 20 shoots 10mm bullets at a much higher velocity than the 21 shoots .45 ACP bullets, which gives the former greater energy (i.e. it is more powerful). With more energy to work with, a properly designed 10mm bullet can do more damage to a target, but it is also possible to waste that energy if the wrong choices are made. The 10mm also has greater penetration potential for larger creatures than humans, but you still need to choose the right bullet design.
@shooter836 Glock 50 GI delivers around 500 ft lbs. 10mm delivers around 700 ft lbs. 50 GI is an aftermarket conversion and not a catalog item sold by Glock Either way, Hickock is correct.
You may have confused the 50 GI with the 50 AE which is a much more powerful round.
Not sure I understand your question, but you cannot load the tubular magazine with the action open, other than sticking one into the receiver/carrier, of course.
hickock, i think yuo do a great job and have a great sense of humor, so i'm just spitballing here but... maybe you could do some vids on defensive pistol drills.
I love glocks they are exactly what pistols should be accurate fast and little recoil. I don,t understand why they made the desert eagle it has way too much recoil and is too big and chunky. In my opinion if you need anything with more power than a .45 get a shotgun or rifle.
I don't load my 10mm rounds to the edge of the pressure curve, of course, but I do try to duplicate factory power factor. Why shoot a 10mm if it's going to be at .40 power level. :-)
Maybe I'll buy a box of factory ammo and do a similar video. You all can decide whether it affects my shooting speed. Of course, I'm just fooling around in these videos anyway, not trying to demonstrate anything scientific.
Sorry to rant. I guess I'm just irritated that an excellently designed round got passed over, and that it deprives our soldiers and law enforcement officers of some serious stopping power combined with high magazine capacity. Am I wrong?
I own a Glock 20 and cannot understand what all the fuss is about the recoil of full power 10 mm rounds?? It must be guys that have never fired one. Surly if you look at hicok45s excellent 10mm videos you can see that the 10mm is nothing to fear!
I know! It's not that bad. I don't know what the deal is either. It's not my fault they've got a weak hand.
I don't like how the FBI failed to adopt the Glock 20 as it's preferred sidearm. Now 10mm is getting more and more scarce. My biggest problem is the idea that the .40 caliber is somehow superior. You wouldn't believe how many times I hear that. I call it the .40 "Short n' Weak."
Ralastar, you can call .40 "Short n' Weak" all you want but it's a sufficiently powerful caliber for combat between humans, and not one of the weaker service calibers. The FBI also issues 9mm handguns since they work pretty well these days when loaded with Winchester Ranger Bonded (their current load of choice, equivalent to the civilian PDX1). Some agents do have weak hands, but they still need an effective handgun caliber--it's not their fault that it doesn't happen to be your pet caliber.
no the 44magnum is as fast and hits alot more harder then a 10mm by far the 10mm is more to 357magnum but 357magnum has more stoping power 10mm is just juck 45acp do the job just as good on humen target and 4 thewoodz i take my 7mm rem magnum
Hickok, how tall are you? By the way you palm that handgun you must have extra large hands, size 11+, which would make you probably about 6'3" or 6'4"?? I ask because I have a glock 21 and size 9 hands and find that it has a lot of muzzle flip yet you shoot 10mm like it's a Glock 17. How is the recoil of the 10mm compared to that of the 45?
Talking about Montana Grizzlies. We don't have hunts for them but have been told self defense stories of people using different calibers to stop a grizzly attack.
Nice video as always. 10mm is an excellent round. I know it will take down a grizzly where 9mm just bounces off and makes the grizzly more pissed off.
MrCntrybyWlkr, while I'd rather have a 10mm than any other auto-pistol caliber when facing grizzlies, I'd still feel under-gunned with anything less than a 12-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. Sure, even a smaller caliber could take one down (even 9mm), but the odds and rapidity of the stop aren't to my liking. If 10mm or smaller is all I had for last-ditch defense against grizzlies, then I'd use a hard-cast lead bullet such as DoubleTap's WFNGC for maximum penetration.
I have a G20 SF. Shooting Double tap 180gr and 200gr. Love it. Used to have the Delta elite, traded it for something else. The Colt was a nice weapon but I prefer the Glock for accuracy and durability.
Robbaz, with the right ammo, 10mm should be fine for home defense. That said, it may not be ideal because the more common calibers are sufficient with today's bullet technology and are easier to handle, making follow-up shots more accurate. .45 ACP may be the best right now, although .40 S&W is practically equal on the street and offers more rounds per mag, which is why most LEOs use it, and so do I. 9mm works fine, too, these days, and don't forget about revolvers. 10mm is more about fun!
It is not a larger bullet in diameter or in weight but is capable of greater foot pounds of energy. The .45 shoots a 230 grain bullet about 850 feet per second for a power factor of ~ 195. A 10mm pushes a 200 grain bullet about 1100 feet per second for a power factor of about 220. Does this help?
Divide your mm by 25.4 and you'll get in. (general rule of thumb) Ammo sizes aren't perfect mechanical sizes.
10/25.4 = .394 or about .40 cal.
Bullet caliber doesn't have as much to do with effectiveness as you might think. Other factors such as speed, shape, and fragmentation characteristics make a difference.
It really comes down to how well a bullet is able to transfer its energy into a target taking all of those factors into account.
For example, I could toss a 3" rock at someone's chest and it wouldn't do the same thing as a much smaller bullet being shot at them from a typical gun. That's an extreme example, but you get the idea I think.
.40/10mm is one of those ammos which do really use 0.40-0.401 bullets (nominal diameter FMJ & cast respectively). Works out to be about 10.16mm diameter for FMJs
Of course, it's not like six thousands means anything... So, just sayin'
AluminumStud, you're thinking more in terms of rifle calibers. With pistol calibers, it's less about energy transfer and much more about the width of the permanent crush cavity and penetration. Case in point, your 3" rock may have as much energy as a 10mm bullet but it lacks penetration. Self-defense bullet design is about achieving optimum penetration with maximum expansion in the intended type of target. Once that is achieved, any extra energy may do additional harm, but it's secondary.
Well, you are right, but you are only restating what I just said. I left if as "understood" that all the qualities I mentioned were the means to the end known as penetration. Because, of course, bullets aren't designed to bounce off of biological tissues.
And really, did you even read what I wrote? I never said my 3" rock had the same energy as a 10mm bullet. I just compared them as "an extreme example" to show that all of those factors play into effectiveness.
AluminumStud, admittedly I took one of your examples and used it in my own way, hence the confusion. I chose to be more explicit about exactly what I believe is effective with pistol calibers. You mentioned speed, fragmentation, and energy transfer, which imply the explosive energy levels of rifle bullets. You also said that caliber, meaning bullet width specifically, was not as big a factor as some believe, while I think that it is more important than speed or energy.
This just screams STOPPING POWER. Anyone who wants to mess with a 10mm Glock in such experienced hands is 1.) out of his freaking mind and 2.) about to enter a world of hurt.
@SkallagrimNilsson i dont believe too much in the "stopping power" thing though if you dont hit cns you just got a bleeding hole ..yeh a bigger hole but assailant is still alive ..however 9mm through the heart that will make him stop just my opionion
Yes, I know, that topic is controversial. But still, 10mm is a very powerful round and definitely on the higher end of the scale. It's not only about the size of the hole but also transferred force and shock.
I think the energy behind those shots is quite visible and impressive. Sure, no guarantee for stopping, but within certain limitations 10mm is quite dangerous.
glock = waste of money
TrailinNT 4 days ago
I love the smell of Glocks in the morning...smells like...victory...
TheSmarterBrother 1 week ago
You seem to always load the mags to 14. Any special reason for that, considering they take 15 easily?
dany1441 1 week ago
@dany1441 , Yes, very good reason: they don't "take 15 easily." :-)
hickok45 1 week ago 2
@hickok45 Sorry to hear it. Mine have no problems (all six of them).
dany1441 1 week ago
YES! Look at KRISS conversions @ Lone Wolf Distributing (google it, dawg)
bbrannon12 1 week ago
any body know if they sell 22 round magazines or higher for the glock 20
SergioFernandoov 1 month ago
Awesome Hickok ! I love my g20. I've done that on camera I've been told it's a waste of lead. I think NOT! Its a Freaking Thrill ! Breath taking ! Flat out fun. and most of all " my lead ". Thanks to our AMERICAN leader OBAMA I have so much amo ! what a great salesman that Obama . Thanks HickokI think I'm going to the range.
paramikemunoz 2 months ago
@mrcarterxxl.... NO, the G20 is NOT a good first gun for a beginner. Go with the G19 or 17 (both 9mm models) if you're learning to shoot. Plus, 10mm ammo is about 3 times the price of 9mm ammo bought at walmart. Most places now, you cant even find 10mm ammo unless you order online. Get the G20 later after u learn to shoot with a 9mm.
ColtDeltaElite10mm 3 months ago
SMELLS LIKE LEAD
CLUBMAN567 4 months ago
dnt breath this kids...glock smoke
deafllamaproductions 5 months ago
mother of mercy, the first 3 shots went into the same hole, very impressive.
LooksLegitBro 5 months ago
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A good after market compensator like the one made by Lone Wolf reduce the recoil significantly making it as easy to shoot as a 9mm. And having a +2 base plate for 17 rounds makes more room for your supporting hand to control the recoil.
killerex010 7 months ago
hickok45, what do you do for a living? do you live in oklahoma?
Hip48Xn3 7 months ago
@Hip48Xn3
teacher and lives in tennessee
guss u havent see lot of his vids yet
make time to go through them they awnser lot q&a like u ask
17hmr243 4 months ago
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razor911 7 months ago
With that kind of 10mm recoil control, i think you were either an FBI agent before they switched to the .40, or are really a T-1000 Terminator.
Eso1 7 months ago 11
@Eso1 haha he's actually a T-1000 and their standard issue handgun is a 10mm Glock LOL
TACTICALCHICKENSTRIP 7 months ago
@Eso1 its called using a glock
SergioFernandoov 1 month ago
once again, your control on that 10mm is great i guess youve gotten good after many years of practice
mbrown961 7 months ago
@hickok45 The 10mm was designed to be between the .357 magnum and the .41 magnum in power. Original design was a 200 grain bullet traveling at 1400 fps. Most factory loads now are weak by comparison but that is what it was supposed to produce. Double tap and Buffalo Bore produce to that standard [which is still within saami specs for 10mm].
masterkeep 8 months ago
is there a glock that is bigger and takes the same rounds
josmeach 8 months ago
i feel validated. i thought i was weird because i liked the smell of my guns.
snifff....smells like.....victory.
toshindodisciple 9 months ago
@toshindodisciple thank god..... i am not the only one!! Cordite.....aaaahhhhhh :)
usmc2076 8 months ago
@hickok45 What kind of holster do you use
Fightnight92 9 months ago
@ivaylommm no. you will just injure and piss him the hell off. go with .357 or higher revolver if you want it for hiking. Some states do not allow you to shoot any animal with a semi auto pistol.
tszabo86 9 months ago
The most powerful Glock on the planet....
The badness Glock shooter on the planet.....
PRICELESS...
wmbedsole 11 months ago
@hickok45 hell yeah that ones really fast. what do u think which one is more powerful this or a desert eagle 50 cal?
discobubbles 11 months ago
nice shooting!
5685abc 11 months ago
@ivaylommm If you can shoot like this guy you can.
doctorxring 1 year ago
I just sent for a 10mm. I guess it was intrigue but I bought the Witness version. After looking at the ammo cost and trying to find it I wonder if it was a mistake. I have a Beretta PX4 Storm .45 ACP. Mistake or not?
intercooler2 1 year ago
@ivaylommm I would recomend bear spray for you!!! It is cheaper and can be more effective. With a fire arm you would have to hit one of the bears vital spots or you would just piss it off more. With bear spray you can just spray it at there face and it will turn the bear right around. It sprays far and it spreads good so you would have to have a good aim with it at all!!!
burtboy213 1 year ago
@burtboy213
Glock 20 loaded with 15 rounds of Double Tap hard cast lead ammo will take down a bear with no problems. Of course you need to know how to shoot it like hickok45, but it will incapacitate any bear in North America. I have seen bear spray fail miserably because of distance and wind. If you are talking about trusting your life with a bear defense, you better take the firearm and not take your pathetic chances with bear spray.
trapstar918420 1 year ago
I thought Glocks were auto?
slowride55 1 year ago
OMG! You like Yoda, old but soo coool!!!! :D
scubywrxr 1 year ago
@ivaylommm I took down a Kodiak Bear with a .22 short, so 10mm is more than enough.
semiautoriflelover 1 year ago
@semiautoriflelover no way........for real?
1122jbone 1 month ago
Haha i doo that too! I mean smell my gun after wards!
jonnyjumpsalot 1 year ago
My Glock 20 is one of three 10mm's I've owned, and it's by far the most user friendly. It's the first thing I pack on any trip to the bush.
Oh wait, I live in Canada, I'm not allowed to carry it in the bush. Forget that last paragraph, I only carry it to the range.
cypresscoach 1 year ago
Dude, you gotta stop sniffing the guns like that - the alarmist press isn't gonna save you from "Glock Lung" like they saved us all from sniffing microwave popcorn.
e11ar 1 year ago
Hickock,
I found your videos after I bought my GLOCK 20. I love it so much, I put it on my CCW permit. I think there is nothing the Glock 20 won't do! BTW the 20 is my 13th Glock. Keep up the good work.
R3508 1 year ago
you crack feind smelling the barrel
fizzy408 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA
sniff sniff
"...nice"
cadetkevin 1 year ago 9
next glock on my to get list
Brandon401401 1 year ago
Im getting either the glock 20 or 29 next month and Im not sure if buffalo bore 180 grain hp bullets are going to increase wear on the gun. Someone help!
maltieskitten 1 year ago
@ivaylommm u can kill anything as long as u shoot the head, heart, or any vital organ ;)
BSMTSinger33274 1 year ago
@ivaylommm I keep hearing that there good bear guns, but I wouldn't want to be the one to test that hahaha
Povoski516 1 year ago
hickok45: You have better recoil control than any shooter I've seen on youtube (I assume you were firing "full" factory loads). This video should have been shown to the FBI brass before they decided that the 10mm was "too much gun" for their officers.
You should make a video about the key points of accurate defensive pistol shooting, focusing on grip, recoil control, trigger control, and aiming. How about sharing your SHOOTING expertise as well as your weapon expertise? more...
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
@GetMeThere1 : and what would be the ideal shooting instruction video? Show key clips from a series of session where you teach a raw beginner to shoot with the proper form, emphasizing the points I listed above. Show the transition before uninformed to informed and practiced shooting.
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
damn the guys a good shot with that big ass glock
barrebabyugk4life 1 year ago
Nice!
Aonexia 1 year ago
0:06-0:10 Badass.
csmybuttt 1 year ago
You should take this thing hunting sometime. God knows its powerful enough.
kevinrocks2323 1 year ago
what about the 45?
gorgeconowitz 1 year ago
wouldn't the .45 auto be the most powerful because it has a bigger bullet
Rayman1210 1 year ago
@Rayman1210
Not at all. Diameter doesn't count for everything when it comes to the power of a bullet. In the context of velocity and kinetic energy transfer, the 10mm wins out over the .45. Not that I'm bashing the .45 by any means.
JasonRedfield 1 year ago
Mmmmmm..........smells good LOL!
gragrn 1 year ago
Smells great huh?
Hoshang2 1 year ago
I envy you sir! Looks like you have a lot of fun with all those firearms.
trissmith91 2 years ago
I love the smell of winchester 231 in the morning . it smells like victory. very nice
45acpglock 2 years ago
Nice shooting
Goldie10mm 2 years ago
10mm far surpasses the 357. It's on par with 41 mag. 125gr 357 @ 1400fps vs. 135gr 10mm @ 1600fps. big diff.!
glocksrock1 2 years ago
glocksrock1, I wouldn't say that 10mm far surpasses .357 Magnum. For instance, DoubleTap--known for hot loads--has a 135g @ 1600 fps load for 10mm and a 125g @ 1600 fps load for .357 (out of a 4" bbl), which comes out to 767 vs 710 ft-lbs of energy, respectively. Increasing the 10mm bullet's weight to 155g to help equalize sectional density (to be fair) drops velocity to 1475 fps and energy to 749 ft-lbs. Firing the .357 out of a 6" bbl raises velocity to 1750 fps and energy to 850 ft-lbs....
rbrtck 2 years ago
...It is true, however, that many factory .357 Magnum loads are fairly light, close in energy to hot .40 S&W or .357 SIG loads, while 10mm Auto loads tend to be on the hot side in order to make the most out of a less-used caliber. The .357 Magnum does have more potential than it often shows, and can be fairly close to the 10mm Auto when using a 4" barrel.
rbrtck 2 years ago
nice shootin the first 2 were in the same hole
jacobninja25 2 years ago
Yep, because guns don't actually provide defense, just counter-offense, against other firearms (unlike a sword which if properly used can defend you against other melee weapons), whoever can land an effective hit the hardest and fastest usually ends up winning.
I don't think the 10x25mm's flatter trajectory, longer range, and better cover penetration over the 9x19mm or .45 ACP bullets should be discounted so quickly, though.
Mazryonh 2 years ago
Mazryonh, the advantages of rounds such as .357 Magnum and 10mm over 9mm and .45 ACP are still marginal--shot placement and the many factors that go into landing accurate shots are ultimately what counts. Not everybody can shoot a hotter round as well as others. For example, while I can barely feel the difference between 9mm and .40 S&W, for some the difference is being able to make accurate follow-up shots at all. In general, shoot the largest, hottest round that you can handle skillfully.
rbrtck 2 years ago
Yes, I acknowledge how important shot placement and skill are when handling a firearm. I still don't understand something though--there are plenty of small-handed women in vids here on youtube who seem quite capable of accurately shooting high-power cartridges from the 10mm Auto to the .44 magnum rather well.
That's what makes me wonder just how many of those complaining about the 10mm auto's recoil were stating the truth or just didn't want to practice enough with it.
Mazryonh 2 years ago
Mazryonh, physically weak shooters may be able to accurately fire single shots of the most powerful calibers, but quick and accurate follow-ups could still be an issue. In addition, the size of the rounds themselves can be a factor. I used to wonder why .40 S&W was created when light 10mm loads should work fine, but it turns out that those few mm of additional length can pose a problem for people with short fingers. High capacity + 10mm diameter + small grips = a shorter cartridge.
rbrtck 2 years ago
Oh I get it--you're saying the grip size due to the magazine size (again, dependent on its configuration and the bullet size) would be too big for some people with small hands and short fingers, which is something no amount of practice can change.
I take it then that a compensated 10x25mm pistol like the Glock 20C wasn't enough for those less-strong shooters to adapt to the cartridge's recoil?
Mazryonh 2 years ago
Mazryonh, grip size might have been one contributing factor, as it is when I help smaller, shorter people choose handguns. If so in the case of 10mm (the FBI, for example, won't turn a person away just because they're small), then it is a rather unfortunate circumstance, but possibly true.
As for compensated or ported barrels, had such a feature been more popular itself, then 10mm might have had a better chance with respect to recoil, but most people don't like the tradeoffs involved.
rbrtck 2 years ago
Is it true that ported barrels effectively shorten the firearm's barrel, since more gas is allowed to escape earlier? Is it also true that they make a great deal more noise as well?
Mazryonh 2 years ago
By the way, lest I appear as anti-10mm, for the record I wish that it had become mainstream instead of .40 S&W because it gives us a far greater range of power to choose from. That said, perhaps the problem is that it didn't go far enough to address a wider range of applications, sort of like a light-loaded .44 Magnum. Instead it matched the .41 Magnum in many respects, including its fate in the market. Even the .40 S&W had a somewhat successful precursor in the .38-40 WCF, historically....
rbrtck 2 years ago
I sure wish it had become mainstream as well. I can't help but wonder if the US military might have adopted it as a sidearm/SMG caliber--more power than the 9x19mm or .45 ACP bullets, similar capacity to 9x19mm magazines.
Soldiers don't need concealed weapons, and have to be strong and fit, anyhow.
I've seen vids of 10x25mm bullets penetrating certain configurations of kevlar--how much good would it do at turning an H&K MP5/10 into an armour-piercing PDW?
Mazryonh 2 years ago
...Then there's the issue of 10mm being an auto-pistol round, which limits its utility in the minds of many to a combat role. Need something with more punch? Then use a big honking revolver that's even more powerful, or so the thinking goes. If it weren't for the fact that revolvers are still popular for personal defense, even the .357 Magnum might have been marginalized as a deer-hunting caliber by now despite its long history (and many factory loads are down close to combat levels anyway).
rbrtck 2 years ago
By "combat role" you mean "antipersonnel role," right?
I've heard tall tales of 10x25mm being used to hunt medium-size game, but I haven't seen vids of that. Maybe if MP5/10s were more in use by PDs we might see them shine against barricaded suspects.
Mazryonh 2 years ago
and lets not forget the geniva (spelling?) convention that prohibits anything larger than a 9mm for a side arm
fordfan09 2 years ago
Respectfully, I'm not aware of that stated in either the Hague or Geneva Convention(s). Marine special operations, amongst other US SOF, carry the .45.
swansoes 1 year ago
i had a co-worker who got into trouble for carrying a .44 mag into an open conflict in desert storm.said it had something to do with the Geniva convention. there maybe some loophole or something as there is with anything. you could be completely right though, rules may also not apply the same for SOF as they do for the run of the mill crunchies. since its not really open conflict. if im wrong feel free to correct me. keep in mind, im goin of what he said, not research.
fordfan09 1 year ago
@fordfan09 Why would a .44 magnum be problematic for a national soldier in Desert Storm? As long as it's FMJ, it should be fine.
Mazryonh 9 months ago
Holy hell man! What a group! Nice shooting.
DynamiteMonkey01 2 years ago
Yeah, gotta love that smell =)
Unless it's wolf. I swear the stuff smells like cat pee.
johnpatrick818 2 years ago
Pretty amazing to think of all that lead slinging so fast from a pistol. Would never want to be in front of that.
Keep up the great vids.
homeslice352 2 years ago
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DUDE i dont have any. go call ur caregiver so she can feed you. hahhah
ghillieman24 2 years ago
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wheres ur wheelchair old man
ghillieman24 2 years ago
ha ha shooting at 5mt xD
Nice video :)
LepardOO 2 years ago
Mr. Hickok, I know you know alot more than me about bullet ballistics. can you explain to me how the this glock is more powerfull than the g21. I was under the impression that the .45 was more powerfull than the 10mm.
Thank's sir and keep up the awsome videos
ramtron1775 2 years ago
ramtron1775, the Glock 20 shoots 10mm bullets at a much higher velocity than the 21 shoots .45 ACP bullets, which gives the former greater energy (i.e. it is more powerful). With more energy to work with, a properly designed 10mm bullet can do more damage to a target, but it is also possible to waste that energy if the wrong choices are made. The 10mm also has greater penetration potential for larger creatures than humans, but you still need to choose the right bullet design.
rbrtck 2 years ago
what's the difference between glock 17, glock 20, glock 29? im just being curious. thanks.
putademuerde1 2 years ago
Glock 17 is full size 9mm
20 and 29 are 10mm(29 is subcompact)
kyled728 2 years ago
They should bottle that smell.
s14sr 2 years ago
Note to bad guys... don't mess with hickok. I definitely wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that 10mm.
Is that the new scratch and sniff ammo you have there?
snakeii0 2 years ago
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Actually the 10mm glock is not the most powerfull. the newer glocks in .50 GI are.
shooter836 2 years ago
Is that a catalog item?
hickok45 2 years ago
Actually 10mm Auto destroys .50 GI in terms of velocity, range, and energy. 10mm is the most powerful.
darkhammeredseh9000 2 years ago
@shooter836 Is that a joke? the .50GI is a pussycat compaired to the 10! Its only usefull if you live in NJ and cant use hollow points.
therealgofastman 5 months ago
@shooter836 Glock 50 GI delivers around 500 ft lbs. 10mm delivers around 700 ft lbs. 50 GI is an aftermarket conversion and not a catalog item sold by Glock Either way, Hickock is correct.
You may have confused the 50 GI with the 50 AE which is a much more powerful round.
frankgon4 5 months ago
@shooter836 Looks like the ".50 GI" is a third party conversion kit for a G20/G21, and hence not a Glock.
basshoundusa 5 months ago
@shooter836 I think that's debatable. The .50 GI is a big chunk of lead but moving much slower. The 10mm delivers higher energies than the .50 GI
3006shooter 4 months ago
*sniffs it* "nice" I love it! Awesome vid and nice control!
soundwaveCTR 2 years ago
Ahh, at that age, still able to do a quickie ;) Respect Hickok :P
Infction 2 years ago 2
Didn't you afraid of the vapour of metal,which is toxic?
friendsever2 2 years ago
Worries me terribly. It's the reason I cut down from shooting 20,000 rounds a year to no more than 18,000 - 19,000! :-)
hickok45 2 years ago 7
Good one
Bowdeen 2 years ago
I used to shoot pins with guys who would wear painters mask Please Id be more worried about whats in micky Ds burger meat
Bowdeen 2 years ago
I see....
Indeed,i have asked you a question for the zombie one....
but you missed it =[
The question is about loading a Remington 870 in a hostile environment...
In that video,you reload the shells into the tube without pumping the gun and opening the bolt....
but for the 870,the shells may bounce back if you have not push the entire shell into the tube.....which WILL jam the gun and get yourself killed....
Is it better to pump back and open the bolt before reloading?
friendsever2 2 years ago
Not sure I understand your question, but you cannot load the tubular magazine with the action open, other than sticking one into the receiver/carrier, of course.
hickok45 2 years ago
Sorry for my poor expression....
or maybe i will post a video about my question and seek for your answer....
friendsever2 2 years ago
@hickok45 would you say the glock 20 would be a good choice for a first gun?
having trouble deciding between the glock 19 and the 20
mrcarterxxl 4 months ago
damn. I was scared to shoot this gun. to much kick for me.
mook248 2 years ago
hickock, i think yuo do a great job and have a great sense of humor, so i'm just spitballing here but... maybe you could do some vids on defensive pistol drills.
snewso 2 years ago
throw on a cowboy hat and get busy!
italianppf2 2 years ago
I love glocks they are exactly what pistols should be accurate fast and little recoil. I don,t understand why they made the desert eagle it has way too much recoil and is too big and chunky. In my opinion if you need anything with more power than a .45 get a shotgun or rifle.
6117240 2 years ago 4
@6117240 or a glock 20.
Jormungandr69 1 year ago
For LEO carry, do you prefer ball or hollowpoint? Did your department care what you used?
rocket881 2 years ago
I don't load my 10mm rounds to the edge of the pressure curve, of course, but I do try to duplicate factory power factor. Why shoot a 10mm if it's going to be at .40 power level. :-)
Maybe I'll buy a box of factory ammo and do a similar video. You all can decide whether it affects my shooting speed. Of course, I'm just fooling around in these videos anyway, not trying to demonstrate anything scientific.
hickok45 2 years ago
Sorry to rant. I guess I'm just irritated that an excellently designed round got passed over, and that it deprives our soldiers and law enforcement officers of some serious stopping power combined with high magazine capacity. Am I wrong?
Ralastar 2 years ago
I own a Glock 20 and cannot understand what all the fuss is about the recoil of full power 10 mm rounds?? It must be guys that have never fired one. Surly if you look at hicok45s excellent 10mm videos you can see that the 10mm is nothing to fear!
ghzdect 2 years ago
I know! It's not that bad. I don't know what the deal is either. It's not my fault they've got a weak hand.
I don't like how the FBI failed to adopt the Glock 20 as it's preferred sidearm. Now 10mm is getting more and more scarce. My biggest problem is the idea that the .40 caliber is somehow superior. You wouldn't believe how many times I hear that. I call it the .40 "Short n' Weak."
Ralastar 2 years ago
Ralastar, you can call .40 "Short n' Weak" all you want but it's a sufficiently powerful caliber for combat between humans, and not one of the weaker service calibers. The FBI also issues 9mm handguns since they work pretty well these days when loaded with Winchester Ranger Bonded (their current load of choice, equivalent to the civilian PDX1). Some agents do have weak hands, but they still need an effective handgun caliber--it's not their fault that it doesn't happen to be your pet caliber.
rbrtck 2 years ago
Whatever, just stand there and continue to be high.
Ralastar 2 years ago
another great vid...
GLK2240CAL 2 years ago
10mm is nothing to 44magnum
glock40shootz 2 years ago
he said ''most powerfull GLOCK''
robin6512 2 years ago
44 mag is a heavier bullet, and kicks more...but the 10mm travels faster and longer ..but they have almost the same hitting power
eatmytool1 2 years ago
no the 44magnum is as fast and hits alot more harder then a 10mm by far the 10mm is more to 357magnum but 357magnum has more stoping power 10mm is just juck 45acp do the job just as good on humen target and 4 thewoodz i take my 7mm rem magnum
glock40shootz 2 years ago
I don't think it's that the rounds are less powerful, but that hickok is a fantastic shooter.
kraftjesse 2 years ago
Can you show us a tour of your reload stations ?
vanhexus 2 years ago
Bill Jordan,Jeff Cooper Skeeter Skelton all would love your videos.5/5 Thanks can't get enough of these great vids.
bill13442 2 years ago
I just love the smell of powder burn in the morning.....nice!
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bill13442 2 years ago
those cannot be full power 10mm loads!!???
amcmgmt 2 years ago
those look like low power handloads... like long .40SW did you really put close to max grain powder in the manual in that brass?
amcmgmt 2 years ago
You gotta tell us how you control the recoil and muzzle flip so well. It's unbelieveable.
myantispambox 2 years ago
dude how much is ammo for that?
Guyya93 2 years ago
You're sniffing gunsmoke again! I told you that will stunt your growth! :-)
Have never seen anyone shoot a 10mm as fast and with controlled recoil. Those were handloads, correct?
tnoutdoors9 2 years ago
How about a vid on the merrits of the 45acp vs 10mm. I have always been a 45 man, but your vids are making think about the 10.
Again great video!
frell19199 2 years ago
You are a great shot!
CSPPTS 2 years ago
Awesome!
USNERDOC 2 years ago
Nice grouping.
1glockfan 2 years ago
Hickok, how tall are you? By the way you palm that handgun you must have extra large hands, size 11+, which would make you probably about 6'3" or 6'4"?? I ask because I have a glock 21 and size 9 hands and find that it has a lot of muzzle flip yet you shoot 10mm like it's a Glock 17. How is the recoil of the 10mm compared to that of the 45?
nmende00 2 years ago 2
it is impressive how he handles the recoil
happybirthday0981 2 years ago
Hickok is a big guy. Notice the size of the pistol in reference to his hands....that helps when it comes to HANDling recoil.
slt223 2 years ago
Can't argue with a 10mm. Nice video.
millerusaf 2 years ago
Talking about Montana Grizzlies. We don't have hunts for them but have been told self defense stories of people using different calibers to stop a grizzly attack.
MrCntrybyWlkr 2 years ago
Nice video as always. 10mm is an excellent round. I know it will take down a grizzly where 9mm just bounces off and makes the grizzly more pissed off.
MrCntrybyWlkr 2 years ago
are you talking about Canadian grizzlys
wawawewaryan 2 years ago
MrCntrybyWlkr, while I'd rather have a 10mm than any other auto-pistol caliber when facing grizzlies, I'd still feel under-gunned with anything less than a 12-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. Sure, even a smaller caliber could take one down (even 9mm), but the odds and rapidity of the stop aren't to my liking. If 10mm or smaller is all I had for last-ditch defense against grizzlies, then I'd use a hard-cast lead bullet such as DoubleTap's WFNGC for maximum penetration.
rbrtck 2 years ago
Great vid comes to show you people that the Glock 10mm isn't that hard to keep on target.
kowa45 2 years ago
I have a G20 SF. Shooting Double tap 180gr and 200gr. Love it. Used to have the Delta elite, traded it for something else. The Colt was a nice weapon but I prefer the Glock for accuracy and durability.
rikenco 2 years ago
That really is nice. 10mm good for home defence?
Robbaz 2 years ago
LOL..you must go to a lot of football games! DE-FENCE!! DE-FENCE!! it's defense brother ;)
eatmytool1 2 years ago
whats the difference :3
Robbaz 2 years ago
Robbaz, with the right ammo, 10mm should be fine for home defense. That said, it may not be ideal because the more common calibers are sufficient with today's bullet technology and are easier to handle, making follow-up shots more accurate. .45 ACP may be the best right now, although .40 S&W is practically equal on the street and offers more rounds per mag, which is why most LEOs use it, and so do I. 9mm works fine, too, these days, and don't forget about revolvers. 10mm is more about fun!
rbrtck 2 years ago
Nice :-)
TheDarwinEvolution 2 years ago
That would give a Zombie nightmares.
gragrn 2 years ago
nice ,
i was watching how u handled the recoil,
superb as always hickok.....
gunlover2010 2 years ago
i love your videos
iphone3gJMW 2 years ago
curtispa,
It is not a larger bullet in diameter or in weight but is capable of greater foot pounds of energy. The .45 shoots a 230 grain bullet about 850 feet per second for a power factor of ~ 195. A 10mm pushes a 200 grain bullet about 1100 feet per second for a power factor of about 220. Does this help?
sufenta67 2 years ago
yes thanks
curtispa 2 years ago
Outstanding !
krazy45cat 2 years ago
a 10mm is bigger then the 45 cal ?
curtispa 2 years ago
10mm is .40 caliber. It's just more powerful, not bigger. It might not even be any "better," in terms of self defense, but it's more powerful.
hickok45 2 years ago
thanks i will deff be gettign a 10mm not the glock 30 then ppl like u make us chose the better guns have a grate thanksgiven
curtispa 2 years ago
Divide your mm by 25.4 and you'll get in. (general rule of thumb) Ammo sizes aren't perfect mechanical sizes.
10/25.4 = .394 or about .40 cal.
Bullet caliber doesn't have as much to do with effectiveness as you might think. Other factors such as speed, shape, and fragmentation characteristics make a difference.
It really comes down to how well a bullet is able to transfer its energy into a target taking all of those factors into account.
AluminumStud 2 years ago
For example, I could toss a 3" rock at someone's chest and it wouldn't do the same thing as a much smaller bullet being shot at them from a typical gun. That's an extreme example, but you get the idea I think.
AluminumStud 2 years ago
.40/10mm is one of those ammos which do really use 0.40-0.401 bullets (nominal diameter FMJ & cast respectively). Works out to be about 10.16mm diameter for FMJs
Of course, it's not like six thousands means anything... So, just sayin'
nominalvelocity 2 years ago
thanks this really helps out alot to explane the rule of thumb
curtispa 2 years ago
AluminumStud, you're thinking more in terms of rifle calibers. With pistol calibers, it's less about energy transfer and much more about the width of the permanent crush cavity and penetration. Case in point, your 3" rock may have as much energy as a 10mm bullet but it lacks penetration. Self-defense bullet design is about achieving optimum penetration with maximum expansion in the intended type of target. Once that is achieved, any extra energy may do additional harm, but it's secondary.
rbrtck 2 years ago
Well, you are right, but you are only restating what I just said. I left if as "understood" that all the qualities I mentioned were the means to the end known as penetration. Because, of course, bullets aren't designed to bounce off of biological tissues.
And really, did you even read what I wrote? I never said my 3" rock had the same energy as a 10mm bullet. I just compared them as "an extreme example" to show that all of those factors play into effectiveness.
AluminumStud 2 years ago
AluminumStud, admittedly I took one of your examples and used it in my own way, hence the confusion. I chose to be more explicit about exactly what I believe is effective with pistol calibers. You mentioned speed, fragmentation, and energy transfer, which imply the explosive energy levels of rifle bullets. You also said that caliber, meaning bullet width specifically, was not as big a factor as some believe, while I think that it is more important than speed or energy.
rbrtck 2 years ago
Hickok YOUR making WANT a GLOCK 10mmNOW lol!! good vid man.
GLOCKSTEROC 2 years ago
AWESOME!
zzedfg 2 years ago
Yeah ........... but it won't hurt for long.
KimberTrace 2 years ago
This just screams STOPPING POWER. Anyone who wants to mess with a 10mm Glock in such experienced hands is 1.) out of his freaking mind and 2.) about to enter a world of hurt.
SkallagrimNilsson 2 years ago 4
@SkallagrimNilsson i dont believe too much in the "stopping power" thing though if you dont hit cns you just got a bleeding hole ..yeh a bigger hole but assailant is still alive ..however 9mm through the heart that will make him stop just my opionion
arkee71 2 years ago
Yes, I know, that topic is controversial. But still, 10mm is a very powerful round and definitely on the higher end of the scale. It's not only about the size of the hole but also transferred force and shock.
I think the energy behind those shots is quite visible and impressive. Sure, no guarantee for stopping, but within certain limitations 10mm is quite dangerous.
SkallagrimNilsson 2 years ago
2 thumbs up!
multicam2000 2 years ago 3