Watchmen should never have been made but in saying that I think Snyder did as good a job as was humanly possible to make an unfilmable story into a movie. Sort of like Peter Jackson's attempt at Lord of the Rings.
A perfect example of why one should hate the Watchmen movie was Rawshank's obscure monologue that replaced the one we all know so (it is on the opening pages). Horrible. It seems Warner Bros hold true to the ideal that "too many talking heads" is a bad thing in movies.
I think Alan Moore would only like the film if it were made exactly as he wanted it.
300 was a very well made film (superb end credits, too) which actually suffered from being too faithful (the Spartans being almost naked being a particular example of Frank Miller nonsense which Snyder should have changed).
Some artists, like Moore, don't like others "interpreting" their creations, whereas others, such as myself, awould actually be excited to see what other talents could do with our ideas.
He says he "gets it" when it comes to Watchmen. Well, trust me. He doesn't "get it". Plus he has a horrible track record for screwing up the spirit of the source material (deletion of biker gang in Dawn, trite side-story in 300). These movies aren't filmed exceptionally well, either. The craft of setting scenes and drama is replaced with slow motion nonsense.
i thought sin city movie was only time i seen a faithfull adaptation...really worked...why cant they treat the watchmen movie the same(direct conversion)??..looks to me like Alan Moore wont get involved coz he knows wots gonna happen to it...seriously...if u created something that good...would u not be disgusted by a bunch a snot-nosed airheads making cheap decisions n ruining your masterpiece while they suck the corparate cock??....i would..and people who dont create things will never get it..
He's such an idiot. He can barely talk coherently, and adaption already terrible. Changing the Crimbebusters name to Watchmen totally destroys the quote, "Who watches the watcmen?" Also, what's up with Chemical Romance being in the credits?
Because, MCR are on the Reprise label, a Warner owned (I wont be so polite as to call it "music") recording interest. They are piling on their own products to generate more attention for them through a classic cross promotional tactic. It helps to be AWARE, and I can't endorse this priority enough. Since their first and only priority is to get your money, yours should be to learn what methods they are using to trick you into relinquishing it.
Why does he sound so guilty and suspicious? Because he is. He is a mediocre studio plant, and knows it. If he cared what Alan thought he would have PASSED ON THE PROJECT, flat. He wants his cake and to eat it too. But he doesn't really care what Alan thinks, at least not as much as he cares about getting paid and praised. But he's getting praised for shallow reasons, because the people who like his work are shallow. In the end his work is meaningless and redundant, where 'Watchman' is timeless.
I disagree. 300 was anything but redundant and hardly meaningless. The Watchman movie may not be the groundbreaking piece of art that the book was, but I think it can still be good.
When I said meaningless, I assumed you didn't take the characteristic of idiocy as being a sufficient meaning. Though, as a film in the context of film, being based on a really idiotic comic book, 300 is definitely trivial and insignificant. There may be marginal differences in the gimmicks it employs, but an ugly gimmicky distraction just blends in with the rest. A fart by any name still stinks the same.
Frank Miller has consistently pushed the bar in comic books and what they can deliver as a medium, challenging our definitions of the hero and finding new ways for art & storytelling to convey meaning. Just because he doesn't have the god complex that Alan Moore has, doesn't mean his work is insignificant.
I agree with VairedInterest completely. (Why the thumbs down for him?)
300 was all flash and little to no substance. The dawn of the dead remake was the same case (even George Romero thought so). You can expect this guy to make it mere styilized garbage. Too bad Alan Moore has said he doesn't want to watch it. He didn't like 300 and i feel he could rip this guy to shreds if he ever did get around to seeing it.
I'm actually looking forward to it, sure Alan Moore has been butchered in the past, but from the screenshots released it seems like they captured the 70s dystopia setting very well. And the actors are all nobody's, so you're avoiding inflated Hollywood ego's, but with a Hollywood budget. I'll say this, of all the Alan Moore Comic movies, this is the most promising so far.
I don't think it necessarily will. I believe Snyder was incredibly faithful to 300 and from what he has said, he is trying very hard to with Watchmen. So far he has hired real actors, not celebrities, and is promising to keep it in the 80's. So if they do any 9/11 reference, it's not going to be direct, as it will be the wrong time period.
ALSO i think veidt's actions at the end of the story are very morally ambiguous. i don't think an intelligent viewer would be able to interpret a faithful movie adaption as supporting terrorism or the like.... then again, perhaps movie execs are intelligent viewers judging by the crud which comes out of hollywood wholesale
I think Zack Snyder will do a great job. Even if people didn't like 300 there is no doubt that Zack stayed loyal to the graphic novel, he even captured the colour scheme. 300 wasn't everybody's cup of tea but I can't imagine fans of the 300 graphic novel, not liking the movie.
Moore hates his stuff turned into movies, Snyder is turning Moore's stuff into movies, therefore, Moore WON'T... BE... PLEASED!!
Dumbass Zack XD
I think Snyder hit the nail on the head when he said that Moore may think "Fuck Hollywood, they can't do this crap right." Did you "see" Moore on Simpsons? LOL
So why did you make this movie? Knowing that Alan dislikes and is utterly displeased with his comics being made into movies, isn't that just givng lip service to comics fandom by saying that?
As far as I understand Moore's dislike of his work being turned into films, it has more to do with bad and unfaithful adaptations than not liking them adapted.
Exactly, he's said before IF YOU'RE GOING TO TURN THEM INTO FILMS AT LEAST MAKE THEM BETTER ONES! He's also said though they were written in order to be impossible to be reproduced into another medium. However, V wasn't as bad as the others! But still the Book is always gonna be better then the movie.
I was replying to someone else but it put the comment to the top. Fuck. Anyway, I was trying to convey that the book isn't always better than the movie.
Now in this case, I know The Watchmen movie will not be better than the graphic novel (because it is the definitive masterpiece for its medium) but I'm looking forward to it :)
'super dooper respect'? This man is apparently 40 yrs old but speaks with an infantile mind . . . .christopher nolan on the hand . . . .
doctorHOUSE 10 months ago
Watchmen should never have been made but in saying that I think Snyder did as good a job as was humanly possible to make an unfilmable story into a movie. Sort of like Peter Jackson's attempt at Lord of the Rings.
octagon79 1 year ago 2
A perfect example of why one should hate the Watchmen movie was Rawshank's obscure monologue that replaced the one we all know so (it is on the opening pages). Horrible. It seems Warner Bros hold true to the ideal that "too many talking heads" is a bad thing in movies.
AtticusStount 2 years ago
I think Alan Moore would only like the film if it were made exactly as he wanted it.
300 was a very well made film (superb end credits, too) which actually suffered from being too faithful (the Spartans being almost naked being a particular example of Frank Miller nonsense which Snyder should have changed).
Some artists, like Moore, don't like others "interpreting" their creations, whereas others, such as myself, awould actually be excited to see what other talents could do with our ideas.
Relugus 3 years ago
He says he "gets it" when it comes to Watchmen. Well, trust me. He doesn't "get it". Plus he has a horrible track record for screwing up the spirit of the source material (deletion of biker gang in Dawn, trite side-story in 300). These movies aren't filmed exceptionally well, either. The craft of setting scenes and drama is replaced with slow motion nonsense.
wardlemike 3 years ago
i thought sin city movie was only time i seen a faithfull adaptation...really worked...why cant they treat the watchmen movie the same(direct conversion)??..looks to me like Alan Moore wont get involved coz he knows wots gonna happen to it...seriously...if u created something that good...would u not be disgusted by a bunch a snot-nosed airheads making cheap decisions n ruining your masterpiece while they suck the corparate cock??....i would..and people who dont create things will never get it..
mahavishnu1120 3 years ago
He's such an idiot. He can barely talk coherently, and adaption already terrible. Changing the Crimbebusters name to Watchmen totally destroys the quote, "Who watches the watcmen?" Also, what's up with Chemical Romance being in the credits?
pugnaciousboxer2 3 years ago
Because, MCR are on the Reprise label, a Warner owned (I wont be so polite as to call it "music") recording interest. They are piling on their own products to generate more attention for them through a classic cross promotional tactic. It helps to be AWARE, and I can't endorse this priority enough. Since their first and only priority is to get your money, yours should be to learn what methods they are using to trick you into relinquishing it.
VariedInterest 3 years ago
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pntlssjake 3 years ago
Why does he sound so guilty and suspicious? Because he is. He is a mediocre studio plant, and knows it. If he cared what Alan thought he would have PASSED ON THE PROJECT, flat. He wants his cake and to eat it too. But he doesn't really care what Alan thinks, at least not as much as he cares about getting paid and praised. But he's getting praised for shallow reasons, because the people who like his work are shallow. In the end his work is meaningless and redundant, where 'Watchman' is timeless.
VariedInterest 3 years ago 9
I disagree. 300 was anything but redundant and hardly meaningless. The Watchman movie may not be the groundbreaking piece of art that the book was, but I think it can still be good.
missdoomcookie 3 years ago
When I said meaningless, I assumed you didn't take the characteristic of idiocy as being a sufficient meaning. Though, as a film in the context of film, being based on a really idiotic comic book, 300 is definitely trivial and insignificant. There may be marginal differences in the gimmicks it employs, but an ugly gimmicky distraction just blends in with the rest. A fart by any name still stinks the same.
VariedInterest 3 years ago
Frank Miller has consistently pushed the bar in comic books and what they can deliver as a medium, challenging our definitions of the hero and finding new ways for art & storytelling to convey meaning. Just because he doesn't have the god complex that Alan Moore has, doesn't mean his work is insignificant.
missdoomcookie 3 years ago
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Man you are so fucking right!!!!!
Fuck Snyder,he is a mommas boy!!!!!!!!!!!
He is gonna fuck up the movie!!!!!
Businessartist86 3 years ago
i agree with you
evilAniron 3 years ago
I agree with VairedInterest completely. (Why the thumbs down for him?)
300 was all flash and little to no substance. The dawn of the dead remake was the same case (even George Romero thought so). You can expect this guy to make it mere styilized garbage. Too bad Alan Moore has said he doesn't want to watch it. He didn't like 300 and i feel he could rip this guy to shreds if he ever did get around to seeing it.
kalldemos 3 years ago 4
Pretty cool. Actually seems like a reg'lar kinda guy, as that guy who meets Dr Manhattan in the corridor says.
KenshiRyden 3 years ago
I'm actually looking forward to it, sure Alan Moore has been butchered in the past, but from the screenshots released it seems like they captured the 70s dystopia setting very well. And the actors are all nobody's, so you're avoiding inflated Hollywood ego's, but with a Hollywood budget. I'll say this, of all the Alan Moore Comic movies, this is the most promising so far.
filetofbaby 3 years ago
Mid 80s dystopia. 1985 to be exact.
rollicker 3 years ago
He can be a gay as fuck as far as I'm concerned..
but the fact remains he's a fine director and judging by what I've seen..done a brilliant job on Watchmen
dagga36 3 years ago
gay? i think your thinking of bryan singer
jdwilson1989 3 years ago
Yet it would´nt b a Snyder fault anyway, I also think it´s impossible for Warner to not touch the ending w 9/11.
All others thinking Watchmen will be a disaster, please sign below
chrchaves 4 years ago
I don't think it necessarily will. I believe Snyder was incredibly faithful to 300 and from what he has said, he is trying very hard to with Watchmen. So far he has hired real actors, not celebrities, and is promising to keep it in the 80's. So if they do any 9/11 reference, it's not going to be direct, as it will be the wrong time period.
missdoomcookie 4 years ago
ALSO i think veidt's actions at the end of the story are very morally ambiguous. i don't think an intelligent viewer would be able to interpret a faithful movie adaption as supporting terrorism or the like.... then again, perhaps movie execs are intelligent viewers judging by the crud which comes out of hollywood wholesale
mattythej 3 years ago
I think Zack Snyder will do a great job. Even if people didn't like 300 there is no doubt that Zack stayed loyal to the graphic novel, he even captured the colour scheme. 300 wasn't everybody's cup of tea but I can't imagine fans of the 300 graphic novel, not liking the movie.
blakinsey 4 years ago
Moore hates his stuff turned into movies, Snyder is turning Moore's stuff into movies, therefore, Moore WON'T... BE... PLEASED!!
Dumbass Zack XD
I think Snyder hit the nail on the head when he said that Moore may think "Fuck Hollywood, they can't do this crap right." Did you "see" Moore on Simpsons? LOL
nrein89 4 years ago
That was honest to god the FUNNIEST Simpsons cameo ever!!!! hahahaha
cdowg187 4 years ago 2
"We all want to please Alan"
So why did you make this movie? Knowing that Alan dislikes and is utterly displeased with his comics being made into movies, isn't that just givng lip service to comics fandom by saying that?
thekamisama 4 years ago
As far as I understand Moore's dislike of his work being turned into films, it has more to do with bad and unfaithful adaptations than not liking them adapted.
LordDayehawk 4 years ago
Exactly, he's said before IF YOU'RE GOING TO TURN THEM INTO FILMS AT LEAST MAKE THEM BETTER ONES! He's also said though they were written in order to be impossible to be reproduced into another medium. However, V wasn't as bad as the others! But still the Book is always gonna be better then the movie.
cdowg187 4 years ago
I disagree. I happen to believe "Blade Runner" is better than "Do Android's Dream of Electric Sleep?"
I'm sure there's many examples of movies being better than the books they were based on.
destroyreligion 3 years ago
I was replying to someone else but it put the comment to the top. Fuck. Anyway, I was trying to convey that the book isn't always better than the movie.
Now in this case, I know The Watchmen movie will not be better than the graphic novel (because it is the definitive masterpiece for its medium) but I'm looking forward to it :)
destroyreligion 3 years ago
So he can't even remember that it's Alan not Dave who has disowned the Watchmen film?
I'm really looking forward to this train wreck of a film.
cha5 4 years ago 2