Nice attitude - good question. Has God done everything in His power for our salvation (which is what I take it "saving us from hell" means) ? In one sense, yes. In giving us Jesus, He has given us *everything* - God has given God Himself, to be everything to us, even our Food. I took the liberty of re-phrasing your question b/c "saving us from hell" is only the tip of the iceberg; the New Testament gives a far richer idea of what it is to be Christian, than that phrase does.
Is it not in an omnipotent beings power to drop down every once in a while to say "Hey look, I'm here! I'm real! Just an FYI"? Anyone who says that could never happen because of free will... is a fucking moron. You don't have a clue what free will is.
I understand your point, skywize; but *you* have to understand that a true believer's (TB's) mind is made up, before you ever deal with him/her. You can be as logical and fact-supported as you want; the TB can simply respond that his/her faith is "beyond" logic and facts.
It's less frustrating to try calmly to make clear why *you* can't believe: "I can't accept that a 'god' with the power to create one hundred sextillion STARS wouldn't be able to show himself occasionally, or to abolish hell."
@lease2coach1 A few years ago I'd have agreed. Mind you, it's not some vast knowledge I've picked up over the years that have changed that opinion, but the countless discussions I've had with people that start off with someone's question or comment. I will answer to the best of my all be it, limited ability. The reply tends to be harsh and degrading, and usually without even an attempt at a valid point, just to have the last word, and bite the opponent in the ass.
@skywize About one in twenty conversations I've had with Theists tends to be civil. Most end in personal attacks or by the cyber equivalent of getting pants-ed. An example would be the obvious invocation of things that they already know are false. "Find me a crocaduck, you retard. You can't? Than you are an idiot who believes in scientific mythology!" ...ok, I adlibbed.. sue me, lol.
"God has done EVERYTHING in his power to prevent us from going to hell." Riiiiight LOL! If only God could get it through his head that he is the one SENDING people to hell we might actually get somewhere. The christian God is a deceptively supremecist, golden rule breaker. And is responsible for ENORMOUS amounts of unneccesary and unjustifiable hatred, and self loathing.
religions are for idiots ! christians watch because they love to damn ppl atheists like us its wat they do ! lol they need to save ppl for watever reason ? lol
What would "everything in God's power to prevent us from going to Hell" mean? According to a previous video you made, as he is omnipotent, would everything in his power be 0%, since no matter what he did, he would have infinitely more things he could do. ;)
You know I think God has done an incredibly good job of preventing us from going to hell. I mean, by not existing so that he could never create Hell, he's pretty much done as good as a non-existent being can do.
God HAS done everything in His power to Save ALL but NOT ALL WILL BE SAVED AND HE IS IN CONTROL OF THAT TOO! JACOB I LOVED ESAU I HATED! What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Romans 9:13-15 IT IS GOD CHOICE NOT HUMANS CHOICE...!
@created4goodwrks God has NOT provided me with falsifiable evidence of his existence OR provided me with reason and evidence that he is moral. That is what I would require to come to salvation so no, he has not done EVERYTHING.
Seems like an all powerful god would not have to expend too much energy to do this so what is he waiting for?
@sk8tafrnk then He is NOT called you to Him Yet...Your are still in your Blindness! God is in Control of your faith whether you want to believe in Him or Not....My prayer is that He enable you to believe! But God does resists the proud, but gives grace unto the humble....maybe he thinks your too full of yourself....humble yourself to Him or He may very well humble you to bring you to Him....Peace!
@created4goodwrks So you admit that God hasn't done everything within his power to lead me to salvation? Because that was honestly the only point I was hitting on.
I, in no way, feel that an omnipotent and omniscient being, such as the Christian god, has done everything within his power to save humanity. I, as mere ignorant human being, can conceive of better ways to save humanity from damnation. What does that say about him?
The notion that God has done everything in his power to keep us from going to Hell--AND the notion that God is all powerful, all knowing and all good--are contradictory notions. A central tenet of Christianity is that the price for a ticket to heaven is credulity. You HAVE to believe and repent, then you go to Heaven, otherwise, it's eternal damnation. Think of all the things and all-powerful God could do to convince people. Just showing up would be just one thing any normal mortal could do.
If God is all powerful and he's done everything in his power to prevent us from going to hell, doesn't that mean he's just gotten rid of hell. Bam, doesn't exist. Satan is gone, hell is gone, problem solved. If so, maybe he should tell someone about it. Then again he doesn't tell anyone he exists so maybe he just doesn't like talking and expects us to guess.
I'm a christian and I would say no God hasn't. Although maybe the pastor meant God has done everything in his power to prevent us from going to hell, WHILE ensuring we still are in a state of free will.
@theoreticalbullshit I think the point that your missing is that this period this age is faith God's gift to us is for us to have faith to explore who we are and make mistakes to seek him. When the Answerman said God he probable was refering to Jesus our Lord. Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lord he lived as a man and he is the fullness of God in our universe. Kings hath need of subjects but more than that I believe Jesus would have everyone even the murderer on the other cross.
"God would not ask anyone to do anything against his/her own will."
Well how about being born? Were you consulted before being born? Did you approve of accepting the challenge to accept gods existence or face eternal torment for not accepting? Or were you just tossed into the mix and forced to make the choice? This is why christian theology is convoluted, it says one thing but can't be backed up with any sort of reasoning because it contradicts itself.
Hank Hannegraff is his name, TBS. No, God has NOT done everything to insure our so called salvation. If he had, then noone would be lost and on their way to hellfire. An all knowing, all seeing God failed to do what he came to do...save all men from their sins? No, it's not man who failed God, but God who failed man.
As always, a great question, Scott. I'm sure that true 'bible thumpers' will have a great answer that makes as much sense as the 'thumped' on which they base their beliefs and lives. But in reality, knowing quite a bit about Christianity, I would offer that the entire drama is as if God is the daddy sitting in his overstuffed chair, drinking a beer and watching football, and the kids are simply doing whatever they choose! If a God actually HAS power, He needs a parenting class on tough love!!
Well no he hasnt. I mean paul got a fucking light from heaven shined in his face and jesus spoke to him....if it's possible to do that to get people to believe how come I havnt had jesus personally visit me?
sounds to me that he is not all loving if he does not do more to keep us from ending up in hell. If he really has done all in his power to prevent this, he is very either stupid/insane, or limited.
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God has done everything to prevent us from going to hell, first of all, he sent his only loved son Jesus to die for our sins, which no man can do for anyone.he allows sun to shine and rain to fall on the good and the bad, he provided us with the bible that we may know and understand his ways, and work according to his commandments so as to escape hell, he;s even given us the freedom of choice to do what we please, and you say he hasnt done anything??well that's such a lame accusation, cos he has
@ theaccousticaddict......please, be so kind and tell me why an all loving father would ever want to kill his only child??? is this to show how extremely loving he is?? and he provided us with a bible that is full of negativity, Murder, slavery, rap, Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice's..also tell me who said God is a HE?
@whitemisa, firstly, there's something you need to know, Jesus offered himself to be a sacrifice to save mankind and the world from sin, God would not ask anyone to do anything against his/her own will, this example alone shows how God loves the extend of love God has for mankind, and what do you mean by bible full of negativity, murder, slavery, why dont you be a bit specific. How can one who is blind to the evil of the world judge God about the bible??
@theaccousticaddict.."God would not ask anyone to do anything against his/her own will," right and that's why this kind of god will be very angry with you if you don't warship him...
I am sorry, but to me this looks more like that the "Christian / Catholic type of God" has a Sadistic Personality Disorder. (someone who uses physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance) ...like being Ok with human sacrifices...like torturing Jesus 2 death....killing innocent babies, etc.
@whitemisa, listen mate, God has given every man the freedom of choice to do whatever he or she wants, if you do good, you,ll be rewarded with good, but if you do bad you,ll be rewarded with evil, that's just the way it goes, we have our heart, mind and conscience to help us refrain from evil and do good, so anyone who doesn't listen to his heart, is just after the lust, wealth and things of the world. The way of a man seemeth right in his eyes, but at the end leads to destruction, God bless.
#1... @theaccousticaddict...well makes sense, I know we all have free will and so do all the animals and plants in this universe, but the God-Force is a 100% neutral Energy without an ego-problem and never judges you and is not even interested in controlling you in anyway in the first place...God force is 100% loving and is only interested in growing/expanding....and all that was made form that force plants, planed's, people, etc...has the same build in instinct and wish to grow...
#2 ...@theaccousticaddict.... so if someone does something evil/mean/hurtful to another or even him/herself the speed of oscillation in this body will be reduced....but the god force has not made a "everlasting hell or FIRE" for humans as punishment...wanting to be "good" is actually natural...someone being "bad" just means this person has lost a lot of its oscillation energy (lost his way) and is farther away form the God-force at the moment..
@whitemisa Of course there is a simpler explanation then a god that uses cruelty or violence for the establishing dominance. That this god was made up by people that only knew how to use cruelty and violence to dominate others and unlike the good book says, he was made in their image instead of the other way around. If this god exists I know I'm not made in his image, I am not nearly cruel or sadistic enough for that to be the case.
@theaccousticaddict OK, I have NO idea what you just said...by the way where you alseep for 11 months..is that why it took you so long to say anything back to me?....
what does "Well what you think does not know" mean??
and what logic are you referring to when you say "thinking" does not count."
?????
HUH???
OR does ANYBODY else understand what MR. theaccousticaddict.has said here??
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@whitemisa, God is a HE, that's because he created man in his own image and likeness, and when he saw that man was alone, he made him fall into a deep sleep and from the man's ribs he created a female, and since the female came from the man, she was called Woman, because she cam from a man, so there you go.
and if you God made man in his own image and likeness we would all walk around as a blob of super bright white light. since the GOD Force is not a person in the first place...
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What i said was that God created man in his own image, not sharing his power and glory with man, just the shape of God, how God looks like. But not with the power and glory, just the bodily appearance.
@theaccousticaddict We have the appearance we do because it's adapted through evolution to be more efficient to our environment. There is evidence for this found throughout nature, and we can see through the fossil records that species have indeed changed throughout the course of history.
sorry sir "adapting to be more efficient to our surrounding" is not in nature's dictionary and its very unrealistic, evolution itself never happened, oh yes it has, but only in the minds of evolutionary fanatics like you not in reality. Have you ever seen an ape turn to man? no. "And we can see through the fossil record.." yeah right, you cant see anything through the fossil records, they are just a collection of long dead animal bones, the record is not a clip that show us how animals evolved.
@theaccousticaddict Thank you for proving your ignorance. It's those who think that for evolution to be seen as fact we need to show that an ape gave birth to a human? First off we share a common ancestor with modern apes, no one's saying we are the product of an evolved form of current great apes. Second, there IS much evidence to support evolution. Even a graduate of high school biology classes could show you the connection between human and chimpanzee dna is inarguable. The evidence is there.
@clgrnt No we dont share any common ancestor with apes, apes had a common ancestor which was an ape, and humans also had a human as a common ancestor, you cud say we all where created by the same God, but saying that humans evolved from the same ancestor as apes is not realistic and totally illogical, you can only make this claims if you,ve seen such thing happen, but making this claims and basing it on theories made up by men, i dont buy that at all, its foolishness.
@theaccousticaddict You are making claims with absolutely nothing backing them except your own religious beliefs, beliefs which contradict known scientific fact. The fact that the human and chimp genome differs by only about 1% is pretty strong evidence. There is nothing to support the existence of a god, there is plenty to support theories accepted as fact by modern science. Enjoy a life of intellectual ignorance.
@clgrnt And you are making claims with man made up theories to back it up, how about some real life evidence? Am seek of stupid theories, fossil records and all those stupid made up things, why not base your claims on things you,ve seen and not what science textbooks tell you. "There is nothing to support the existence of God" wrong, you need to have the holy spirit in you to commune with God and the holy spirit is only given to those who believe. Enjoy a life living as an animal.
@theaccousticaddict You're evidently too closed minded to see facts for what they are, so there is no reason to continue on with this. Also I have seen evidence for evolution with my own eyes, some of us have obtained more than a high school education. Your cult has been known throughout it's history to shut down intelligent free thinkers, I'm not surprised that simpletons such as yourself still attempt so today. Science > cults worshiping carpenters
@clgrnt You are the deluded and manipulated one, you dont believe that God exists but you believe that there must definitely be aliens out there, does that make sense? No, if there is a chance that there are aliens and other civilisations out there, is it not wise to say that God might also be out there? But the truth is that you guys dont even want to accept the reality of God, you wish he never existed and there's nothing that will change ur mind, cos you,ve chosen not to believe, shame.
@theaccousticaddict I have evidence and reason for my beliefs, your rejection of them are that of biased ignorance. You're like a small child fixated on a story book, it would be too painful to admit that that's all it is and you would have to cope with scientific fact. That of course would also assume you have learned enough science to have a reasonable understanding and be able to give reasons for your rejections.
@clgrnt And what evidence could that be? I reject this things cos there's no real evidence for it and its not part of science, science is the study of things seen and observed, not the study of theories made up by man to try and explain how life and the universe began millions of years ago. There's no facts about science, just theories that keep changing from time to time, there's no truth in something that keep changing. We are not animals, get real.
@theaccousticaddict Please read scholarly books and articles on evolution before you make blatantly incorrect statements like 'have you ever seen an ape turn into a man? no'. That and 'how could an eye just make itself' are probably the 2 most unintelligent comments I see people incorrectly make about evolution.
@Handsdown09 LOL, Ok, so you believe my English is bad bcos i have not read any science books? that's stupid. If its down to speaking and presentation, i,d win you hands down so let's not just go there, stick to the subject "Evolution, the greatest hoax of all time". Does reading science books change the fact that nothing without emotion cannot create music, drama, art, dance comedy etc. Read ALL the science books in the world, the fact still remains, the truth is right there in front of u
@theaccousticaddict I believe your English is bad because you typed "nothing without mind cannot create reason and logic"....that incorrect usage of the word cannot.
@Handsdown09 then you misunderstood me, the scientific world claims that life and the universe came to be from nothing, they claim "they universe expanded" from what? "From nothing, it just expanded and exploded into existence! presto. And those who believe this crap call themselves "educated".
"she was called Woman, because she cam from a man,.."Ok, that would only make sense in the English language...In German for example The Man is "DER MAN" and The woman is " DIE FRAU"...plus every single male baby always was first a female fetus first and only after the Y-chromosome called the SRY (sex determining region) is activated, will it become male,..so in nature female is first ....
Good point! While we're in the womb we actually start out as a female. So how come the bible speaks as though everything started out as a male? Well in my opinion, that is thanks to a sexist, very human.... man. :-)
@whitemisa "man" (a male person" is "ish" in Hebrew, a woman is "ishah" - which misses the fact that the Hebrew says god created mankind (adamah) in is image, as man (ish) and (ishah)
In Luther's translation, he said god created Menschen (people) in his image, and created "Menschen" as "Mann" and "Weib" (not "Frau as you inaccurately state)
In both instances, the word chosen is more properly rendered in English as "humans" or "mankind" not male persons
all you need to cite is all the people who have never heard of jesus of nazareth. I like the way Christopher Hitchens puts it, He talks about how god chose one remote corner in bronze age palestine, where the news would takeso long to reach the rest of the world that in many corners of the world people still havent hearde of him. All the christian god had to do was make sure everyone in the world knew his word...but he failed even there.
I recall somewhere in "his book", that all people who have not learned of Jesus, Christianity, etcetera get a free ticket to heaven. So to answer the question has God done everything he can to prevent us from going to hell? I would have to say no. He could simply have not told any of us about himself if he wanted us to not go to hell. My 2 cents
(continued) My point being that it is more complex if the engine is conscious and has a will of its own, like a human being. You are comparing a living, thinking, concious human being with a tool designed for locomotion. What is our purpose anyway? I thought that the Bible offered morals to live by, or does the Bible say our PURPOSE is to do what God says and follow him. I guess if that's true we'd do well to look at that slave analogy again.
To GDominator, the engine analogy? Just makes you look stupid. A more accurate one would be "you paid for a surrogated child to own as a slave. It has a purpose, to serve you whatever that might entail. You give it instructions to be obediant and threaten it if it acts on its own inclinations as a human being. The child doesn;t understand why it isn't allowed to play. You tell it that would go against its purpose of serving you. You threaten it with hell and force it to sweep your floor."
I think the most obvious thing God might have forgotten to tick on his list of stuff-to-do-to-prevent-humans-who-I-don't-want-to-go-to-hell-from-going-to-hell might have been "Don't send them to hell!". I think one of the major things which people forget is that it is by god's will (apparently) that somebody gets sent to hell. It's not like he can't to anything about it, yet he tries to shift the blame on us, whose natural behavior (designed by him) so clearly don't follow his moral principles.
A truly omnipotent being, an all powerful being could not possibly have done everything in his power....If there were truly an all powerful being out there ( megalomaniacal as it were) every non believer out there would be attacked with large fling bibles. There would have been a jesus in every street of every town preaching to everyone, and a booming voice would awaken you every morning (at 6:30 am promptly) to pray.
This is a good question. God has the ability to eliminate all our problems from existance. You know what? The whole fall of man and the slow self-destruction of man on earth never had to happen. God could have eliminated LUCIFER and man would not have had to fall. SO WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN??? I can explain. Remember that what I have to say is not mentioned in many "christian faith". My vision stems from the bible and include many of the professies stated in the bible.
God is limited in what he can do for one specific reason: the rules of the GREAT CONTROVERSY. The GREAT CONTROVERSY is the war that has been fought between LUCIFER and GOD, since the fairness of GOD's government was questioned. Since LUCIFER could not receive worship, LUCIFER attacked GOD's commandments; he said that no man could keep the commandments of GOD. Therefore, LUCIFER and GOD made a wager. If LUCIFER could gain rulership over an entire planet, he could rule it for the rest of eternity.
If God could prove that one man could live an entire life without sinning then LUCIFER would have to surrender his life in rebelion against GOD (because now LUCIFER could not be trusted). To make the conflict fair, "rules of engagement" were created. None of GOD's angels or the fallen angels could appear visibily to any human being. Possesion of humans was only allowed if the human being gave the angel permission. A reference to Illegal possesion can be found in Luke 8:27-31. Limits are made.
"To make the conflict fair, "rules of engagement" were created. . ."So the angel appearing to Mary was against the rules? Seems he was happy to do it back then. As well as the angels appearing to Lot. And the pleas of the person who had been told ever since he was born that if he questioned the book he would fry in hell asking for something to show itself goes unanswered why? This isn't really a good response.
Was Mary a follower of God? Was Lot? If the person is a follower of God or just wishes that the creator of all that is around him would show his power, His angels have the right to show themselves. If the angels do not have permission then they can no appear openly. Secondly, nowhere in the bible does it say that hell is an eternally burning place of punishment. I will talk more about this in my next comment. Note: these 500 word limitations are very annoying.
In the bible (Old King James Version is my reference), it doesn't say that HELL is an eternally burning place. One reference for hell fire is found in the book of Malachi, chapter 4. It says: For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be STUBBLE: and the day that cometh shall BURN THEM UP, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch....for they shall be ASHES under the soles of your feet... .
Was Mary a follower of God? Was Lot? If the person is a follower of God or just wishes that the creator of all that is around him would show his power, His angels have the right to show themselves. If the angels do not have permission then they can no appear openly. Secondly, nowhere in the bible does it say that hell is an eternally burning place of punishment. I will talk more about this in my next comment. Note: these 500 word limitations are very annoying.
So you see, hell fire is not eternal; the effect, DEATH, of hellfire IS ETERNAL. And just because its fires are unquenchable or unextinguishable does not mean the fire is eternally burning; the example of firefight unable to EXTINGUISH a fire explains this senario. By the way, eternal hell fire or PURGITORY was an invention of the ROMAN CATHOLIC INSTITUTION. Hell fire comes after the judgement, as told in DANIEL and REVELATION. Thanks for the counter comments; give me something to talk about. :)
That's all well and good, but it still doesn't answer the question why some people are given absolute knowledge of this deity, while some are given absolutely nothing. If there truly were these "rules of engagement" shouldn't we expect to find that no one was given these signs. Or is it more likely that there is nothing going on, and it's just a by-product of a mind overly adapted to detect intelligent causation in everything around us, whether it actually exists or not?
To be truthfully honest, we are judged by what we know. Therefore, if someone were to tell you about a creator or heavenly father, it would be expected that you inquire who, what, where and most importantly why; why is there conflict in the world today; why it still exist; why would a kind-hearted creator do thing to us. My point is that we don't just throw away the information given to us until we can definitely disprove it. This comment is should set the environment of my next comment.
People are given knowledge by our Creators not to hid it from others but to share it. This is my reason for talking to you; I am trying to give people the information I have so the can be informed. Why do you think that our Creators messages and warnings came through the prophets; they were the messengers of our Creators. Remember God can only us mediatory means to communicate with humans (angels, prophets, etc.). I receive my information through the bible and Elen G. White. (latterday prophet)
That's not really an accurate answer... The fact of the matter is some people are given the level of evidence they require to have these beliefs, while some others are just left to twiddle their thumbs on the issue because they are given nothing. Before I lost my faith, I was scared as hell and asked for anything, any sort of sign, and nothing happened. Some people who are perfectly solid in their beliefs get their signs. Why this difference?
We could go and say "Maybe the deity can't intervene/it's a test/etc. etc.". These aren't answers, they are rationalizations. We could also say that "There was never any sign being answered, and all these people who get these signs are just mistaking something their mind naturally does and interpreting it as coming from a diety". The latter fits in very well with what we already know about the world around us, and the brain especially.
Your right! We don't really know. Another possibility is that you don't know that God has intervene. It is easy to say that they are making it up and lying. However, you don't know how it fells unless you have experienced it. Saying that you know a person's feelings more than them is arrogant. There are things in this world that we accept by faith even though we have no proof. Besides, God doesn't always speak to people directly. I am running out of room; We'll talk some more later.
That is a good point; but to be truthfully honest, it isn't black and white; I wasn't a christian. In the beginning, I hated God; my life was miserable. My mother was growing in her faith in Christ after she left the ROMAN CATHOLIC INSTITUTION, but I never felt the connection to God. When I was 18 years old, I started looking back on insidences that I had remembered. I should not be alive today; I should have died 7 years ago. I am not a goody goody if that is what you think. I have struggled.
And this isn't evidence of divine intervention. I nearly got into a car accident a few weeks ago, and situations like that seem to follow me around (I've lived a relatively "blessed" life, in that in the end, everything works out for me, despite the fact they should have failed miserably).
If your being saved is proof of a deity, then the millions, maybe billions, in agonizing pain, and starving is proof against a deity then?
You make good points, and I am not kissing your ass if you think that is my purpose behind saying that. How do you prove too the universe the effects of sin, not sinning, but sin. How do we prove that rebellion against God law is dangerous to ourselves and will lead to self-destruction? I want to know what you think about it.
"How do we prove that rebellion against God law is dangerous to ourselves and will lead to self-destruction?"
That one is quite easy. Show some added benefit which comes solely because the person follows the law which is supposedly dangerous to break. I can point to car seat laws and say "Breaking this law is dangerous" and I can point to people who break them and then usually end up worse.
"How do you prove too the universe the effects of sin, not sinning, but sin." Elaborate, please?
8th commandment: Thou shalt not steal; If you take, someone esle loses; can result in negative felling on both sides; negative fellings damage the body and shorten life span; therefore damaging and self-destructive. This is an example of the trend that follows breaking the commandments (in exception to the 4th commandment). As for sin and not sinning. Can you agree that you can suffer as a result of another persons sin or transgression? You commited no sin, yet you pay most of the price.
The 8th Commandment is just as valid evidence for the existence of Yahweh as it is for the Goddess in Wicca. It's not transgression against Yahweh which is causing the pain, it's something else. I don't recognize that there is anything called "sin". There are only actions. The actions which are committed can have an effect on me, sure. This is still no where near evidence for any deity. Besides, the statement "you committed no sin" is horribly anti-scriptural. Being born is considered a sin.
Wicca is one of the pagan beliefs. Might have been a poor choice, but it's the first one that came to mind. The specifics aren't important, the point being most religions have something where you're not supposed to steal. If it is evidence of Yahweh, it's just as much evidence of all other religious traditions which say "don't steal".
I don't have a definition of sin. I don't believe there is anything called sin. There are actions we call good and bad. No sin.
Let me try to explain it this way. Let us say that we have an combustion engine in front of us. We also have the instructions and owners manual for how it operates. The manual tells us what to do and what not to do to run the engine properly. What happens if we breach the instructions to the manual? The engine will not run properly. How does this connect to the bible? Every message (including the ten commandments) are important to our full operation. Disobeying the bible words to us destroys us.
Not exactly valid, because say I'm a Honda; apparently the Mitsubishi manual covers almost exactly the same thing I need from the Honda manual, as well as my neighbor who knows almost nothing about the combustion engine. Are the owner's manuals really all that important? Most of what Christianity says, and gets right, so does almost every other religious tradition. The stuff that it says that is fairly unique is also fairly wrong or absolute faith.
i didn't realize it but you misunderstood me. Let me rephrase it "For everyone who has possibly though about my question..." I was not even mention my measly intellect in that sentence.
"we know that logic and reason are the best ways to determine what is logical and reasonable." For everyone that has might of thought about my question I was trying to point out that you using the method "logic and reason" to determine that "logic and reason" is a good worldview. You don't realize it but you are using circular reasoning to produce your worldview.
'logic and reasoning' are supported by everything we observe in the world around us, they 'view the world' - on some level they are constantly subject to change and scrutiny. Using logic and reasoning seems like the best thing we can do to produce a worldview.
What else would you propose to produce a worldview from? Blind faith?
If you're going to reply please private message me since I doubt I'll check this again, I'm interested to hear your response.
I have a question for people who are atheists and use logic and reason to determine what is correct. "How do you determine that using logic and reason is the correct method to determine that something is correct?" If you use logic and reason to determine that this method is correct, "How do you determine that using logic and reason to determine that using logic and reason is the correct method of determining that logic and reason is the correct method to finding out what is correct?"
TB, It is unbiblical to say God tries to accomplish something and can't. God sent Christ to accomplish the salvation of those He chose from the foundation of the world (eph.1:4).
Isaiah 55:11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
God does not lose anyone whom He sent His son for and has accomplished, through His power, to save them.
psk, please clarify...are you saying that god chose those who would be saved? by that logic, it is safe to assume that he chose to condemn the others. if this is so, how is he loving, merciful, or figiving; and how does free will come into play here? does the idea of predestination and the idea that god sent christ to accomplish the salvation of those he chose from the foundation of the world and the obvious condemnation that provides others negate free will?
Free-will is not a biblical idea. Man is somehow controlled by God, but man still is accountable for his actions.
Genesis 50:20 "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.
Joseph's brothers sold him into slavery b/c they hated him, But God, in His providence, predestined the selling into slavery would put Joseph in a position of power.
Well, as one who has been saved by God, it makes me full of peace! I know that I am righteous in His sight b/c of my faith in the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ! I know that God has chosen to save me from His wrath and I am now growing in holiness to one day be before Him for all eternity! I am one happy soul!
Always reply in love and patience if they happen to be angry!!
Never reply in anger.
Just love them!
You are the light of the world!! Show them that light!!
You will learn from this audio that mockers and atheists have lots of hate towards you. Do not give in to this!! Love them back so much more!! Also keep up the tempo with lots of patience!!
He did everything in His power so far as He wanted His power to go. If He wanted to save everyone, then He would. If He wanted to let all go to hell He would. If He wants to save some He would, and He does.
its not entirely accurate,...a more accurate statement would have been " God has has done everything nessicary to provide an opertunity for everyone to get into heaven" Christ is the manifestation of that statement,...the idea is that God does what is needed not what we think should be done,..think of it perhaps this way,..a doctor provides life a saving treatment, but you have to right of refusal,..but refusal will result in your death,..the doctor must tell you the outcome of your refusal...
continued:,...the doctor povides the life saving treatment free of charge and it will benifit you,..but you only need to accept the treatment to live....but by refusing you must accpt the consiquences of that refusal which is death....the doctor is not malicious because the "life saving treatment" is a true benfit to you over death...he is not threatening you with two bad choices...so the question is why refuse,...what exactly do you think you are going to be missing by doing so?
You've never seen this doctor. In fact you have no conclusive evidence that this doctor exists. All the nurses tell you that he does, but they've never met him either. In fact, nobody at the entire hospital has.
Somebody brings you a hand-written note that describes your illness and how you will die if you don't get treatment. You ask the nurse, "Is this the Doc's handwriting?" But it isn't. In fact she doesn't know who wrote it.
your initial premise hinged on the understanding that you have the knowledge of Gods exisstance,..which is a claim the bible makes...that we all have this innate knowledge...ive even heard aithiests allude to a geneitc connection to the belief in God.....so even they dont find it that far fetched...if you are innately aware of Gods existance then my analogy holds true...you are aware of the doctor existance and thus his treatment, is in fact a legitimate cure...refusal will result in death.
You're missing the point. My premise did not in any way hinge on human beings knowing that God exists. The fact is that human beings do NOT have knowledge of God's existence.
The question was, in light of that fact, if God DOES exist, has he done everything in his power?
I did a follow-up to this video that you might want to check out. It's called "Freewill and Lazy Deities".
"The question was, in light of that fact, if God DOES exist,....?"
"if God DOES exist"....this is the qualifying statement that says you have already accepted the knowledge of Gods existence within the frame work of your hypothisis..within that constraint the answer i provided is sufficient...if God doesnt exist then my analogy falls apart,...but since the question of Gods existance is unanswerable we revert to your original premise, "if God does exists then X is true or false."
you didnt say "first prove God exists then prove that he has done everything in his power." so the deal is, if you are going to argue that the ideology is flawed because its your belief that God cannot exist, then any answer will be insufficient...the entire thing hinges on YOUR knowledge of Gods existance....you lack that knowledge....thats not my problem its yours....lol...i mean that in the nicest way possible.
... As if this weren't bad enough, many different nurses bring you many different hand-written notes all describing different illnesses, treatments, and consequences to refusing treatment. They all come with the same story.
As a matter of fact, all these notes seem to have been written by entirely different doctors. You ask the nurse, "Which one of these is from MY doctor?"
But nobody at the hospital seems to know. In fact, nobody even has any evidence that you have a disease.
...The operation costs thousands of hours and you have to go in for check-ups every week for the rest of your life. And yet you don't even know if your doctor exists, or if you have a life-threatening disease in the first place.
You sure you'd have the operation? If you didn't, and you walked out of that hospital... and then after all that, you died.... Are you sure your family wouldn't sue him for negligence?
*god* what a beautiful analogy. Do you think in terms of analogy Scott? You seem to have a way with on the one hand categorizing like things in a way that is very accessible intuitively and on the other cutting right to the heart of what matters in an assertion or argument. You also have a gift for language.
I have a strong affinity for analogy but I am not as strong with language. I often find myself struggling to find the right words to efficiently express what I am thinking.
Actually, TB, I'm still not sure that the analogy is correct. God created hell, and he sends people to hell if they don't accept his salvation.
Therefore, it'd be more accurate to say that you're in hospital, you may or may not have a life threatening disease, the doctor may or may not exist, there are many different notes, AND if you don't accept the treatment from the possibly existent doctor, he will give you a lethal injection. (Just a little joke. Did you like it? I know you did!)
the proper way to put it would be, the coach trained them to the fullest used all the proper plays and all the rest was up to the team and how they played but if they don't play their best they lose, the coach(being God) did everything in his power to prepare his team for the game, but say a couple members of the team don't trust him....kinda like some people don't beleive in God...but God did everything in his power to help, the rest is up to us and how we play the game....
yes i believe he has......if he tried anything more hed have to go against free will, all of the rest is left up to us christians
(yikes i mean some of them give people like me bad names, not all of us are wackos) anyway, all thats left is for God to 'rapture' the people he/we managed to 'save'........*sigh* sadly its hard for people, who think they have all the answers, to believe in someone like God.....
yes there is buddy...but it doesnt work the way you want it ...for us christians we had to believe it to see it...but for agnostics and atheist you have to see it to believe it....BUT GOD doesnt work that way buddy
God has done everything in His power to save His elect not the reprobates! Jesus said:
"My sheep hear My voice and I give unto THEM eternal life and THEY will never perish."
John 10:27-8 Just a few verses before He had told the Jewish Leaders of the day that the reason they didn't hear Him was because they were NOT of His sheep.
God has NOT predestined everyone for salvation. We know that for His elect its a done deal. They will be saved and kept. If He wanted to save everyone he would.
"For so it seemed good to Him." Some people say God acts capriciously or on a whim because He predestines some and not others. Yet, as humans, we all have our likes and dislikes.
Artists do not use all the same color schemes when choosing a theme for a painting. Why don't people put chocolate frosting on cornbread? Why not mix ketchup in Chinese fried rice. We all have things we prefer. God is no different. He designed and created good and evil both
well, I'm not a Christian...nowadays...but I would say that one cannot say that God has done ALL He can do to keep us from sinning when He KNOWINGLY put a toxic tree in our playpen KNOWING that we would eat it! Oh, and the whole Satan creation too!
I did stumble across you. I'm a Christian and I love your videos. You're the only atheist which makes a valid, genuine and heartfelt call to try to figure it out without being a hater. I'm with you there friend. Keep on. So many questions but I'll save 'em for a rainy day.
God keeps the devil around to sort out the good and the bad so if you go to hell, thats where your meant to be, even God couldent change that unless he got rid of temptation for the bad ish. Sorry my thoughts arent organized but thats my response. pCe
This is y I tend to think that perhaps God isn't omnipotent or omniscient; perhaps what's paying attention to us if anything is more akin to the Jedi's Force than to a singular discernible consciousness as presented in most monotheistic religions.
I know this is for your christian viewers but i thought i'd give you my response. Looking at this from my brief religious experience, from the Islamic point of view, the devil is controlled by God. There are Angels at the gates of hell. The devil puts temptation in our life and bad thoughts and feelings and all that other ish. He really could of just gotten rid of the devil but i believe (in my opinion)
Is God omnipotent or omniscient? Is it a God with a discernible consciousness? If so, why would God make ppl if he knew that many would end up in hell because of choices he knew they would make? This always gets me bc neither I nor anyone else ever asked to exist or to b faced with the choice to worship God or not. That seems to be the ultimate violation of free will. The Matrix argument could work if God weren't threatening eternal torment for choices I've already made but don't understand.
i think what most atheists are thinking is that if he really wanted us to stray away from sin while there still beeing sin in the world, then he could've just made his existance ALOT more obvious so that people would be like "o there's a devil and god i'm going to hell, now i know i shouldn't sin"
Well thats why they have prayer and ish with this religion, all is forgiven in confessional. . .you could kill and just confess and your sins are forgiven? Thats easy. . .this is why i dont follow this rligion. . .pray and sins are forgiven? nah thats a joke. . by that standards and the law why cant you just take the religious POV? i killed. . God forgave me. . .so im free of trial?
i am a christian one thing i like watching your videos no reason why just do but anyway i don't think he did but he tried. besides where you go if you do go to either heaven or hell, not saying christianity is right but if you do the whole thing was a bet between god and satin to begin with.
Wow! So becoming a man, thought the bible says he wouldn't, that was so famous he converted 3000 Jews in one day yet so obscure he failed to make it into the secular history of the Romans or the Jews in a remote area of 1st century Palestine is the best he could do, eh? Choice? Behold, I stand at the door and knock but if you don't let me in I'll burn the f***ing thing down with you in it..FOR ETERNITY! Compulsory love = misnomer. Revelation seems a bit lacking in choices wouldn't you say?
"He can micromanage, He simply doesn't. He can do everything we need, but how dare we ask something of Him we're not willing to work for."
So your answer to this video then is that God *does not* do "EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER" to ensure we will be saved.
Thank you, you have proved my point.
Like I said before, free will is independent of knowledge, just because someone knows that stealing is wrong, doesn't mean they won't do it when faced with an economic crisis, for example.
Your Christian audience comes from other Christains responding to you.
God did everything thousands of years ago when Jesus died on the cross. He said in the greek perfect tense 'It is finished.' The perfect tense would imply that Christ paying our debt and allowing us recompense is all He could do. We now have a choice to make. God doesn't force Himself on us, so now its up to us. He gave the ultimate sacrafice. His only son.
I believe TBS said in one of his other videos that gaining knowledge doesn't take away your freedom of choice, if Christianity were true, it would save billions of people if God were to actually give evidence today of his existence.
"He gave the ultimate sacrafice. His only son."
If he's God then we're all his children too and he's letting most of us burn. Also, if he's God, he could think of better ways to save humanity than a blood sacrifice in a remote part of ancient palestine.
I also want to say that the "Free Will" argument you're attempting to make will only help prove that God either doesn't care or doesn't exist.
If we're talking about eternity here, where our immortal souls will end up, then this life doesn't mean ANYTHING, and free will is about the worst thing God could give us. It would be a sick, demented joke for a God to hold our immortal souls ransom and not give conclusive evidence that he exists.
Nice attitude - good question. Has God done everything in His power for our salvation (which is what I take it "saving us from hell" means) ? In one sense, yes. In giving us Jesus, He has given us *everything* - God has given God Himself, to be everything to us, even our Food. I took the liberty of re-phrasing your question b/c "saving us from hell" is only the tip of the iceberg; the New Testament gives a far richer idea of what it is to be Christian, than that phrase does.
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Shelena55 1 week ago
Is it not in an omnipotent beings power to drop down every once in a while to say "Hey look, I'm here! I'm real! Just an FYI"? Anyone who says that could never happen because of free will... is a fucking moron. You don't have a clue what free will is.
skywize 1 month ago
I understand your point, skywize; but *you* have to understand that a true believer's (TB's) mind is made up, before you ever deal with him/her. You can be as logical and fact-supported as you want; the TB can simply respond that his/her faith is "beyond" logic and facts.
It's less frustrating to try calmly to make clear why *you* can't believe: "I can't accept that a 'god' with the power to create one hundred sextillion STARS wouldn't be able to show himself occasionally, or to abolish hell."
lease2coach1 1 month ago
@lease2coach1 A few years ago I'd have agreed. Mind you, it's not some vast knowledge I've picked up over the years that have changed that opinion, but the countless discussions I've had with people that start off with someone's question or comment. I will answer to the best of my all be it, limited ability. The reply tends to be harsh and degrading, and usually without even an attempt at a valid point, just to have the last word, and bite the opponent in the ass.
skywize 1 month ago
@skywize About one in twenty conversations I've had with Theists tends to be civil. Most end in personal attacks or by the cyber equivalent of getting pants-ed. An example would be the obvious invocation of things that they already know are false. "Find me a crocaduck, you retard. You can't? Than you are an idiot who believes in scientific mythology!" ...ok, I adlibbed.. sue me, lol.
skywize 1 month ago
"God has done EVERYTHING in his power to prevent us from going to hell." Riiiiight LOL! If only God could get it through his head that he is the one SENDING people to hell we might actually get somewhere. The christian God is a deceptively supremecist, golden rule breaker. And is responsible for ENORMOUS amounts of unneccesary and unjustifiable hatred, and self loathing.
spook79 1 month ago
religions are for idiots ! christians watch because they love to damn ppl atheists like us its wat they do ! lol they need to save ppl for watever reason ? lol
flexbrat 3 months ago
religions are for idiots !
flexbrat 3 months ago
What would "everything in God's power to prevent us from going to Hell" mean? According to a previous video you made, as he is omnipotent, would everything in his power be 0%, since no matter what he did, he would have infinitely more things he could do. ;)
Voidsworn 3 months ago
You know I think God has done an incredibly good job of preventing us from going to hell. I mean, by not existing so that he could never create Hell, he's pretty much done as good as a non-existent being can do.
zippythewildone 4 months ago
God HAS done everything in His power to Save ALL but NOT ALL WILL BE SAVED AND HE IS IN CONTROL OF THAT TOO! JACOB I LOVED ESAU I HATED! What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Romans 9:13-15 IT IS GOD CHOICE NOT HUMANS CHOICE...!
created4goodwrks 5 months ago
@created4goodwrks God has NOT provided me with falsifiable evidence of his existence OR provided me with reason and evidence that he is moral. That is what I would require to come to salvation so no, he has not done EVERYTHING.
Seems like an all powerful god would not have to expend too much energy to do this so what is he waiting for?
sk8tafrnk 3 months ago
@sk8tafrnk then He is NOT called you to Him Yet...Your are still in your Blindness! God is in Control of your faith whether you want to believe in Him or Not....My prayer is that He enable you to believe! But God does resists the proud, but gives grace unto the humble....maybe he thinks your too full of yourself....humble yourself to Him or He may very well humble you to bring you to Him....Peace!
created4goodwrks 3 months ago
@created4goodwrks So you admit that God hasn't done everything within his power to lead me to salvation? Because that was honestly the only point I was hitting on.
sk8tafrnk 3 months ago
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created4goodwrks 3 months ago
@sk8tafrnk No I didn't say that...When we say God has done everything we are referring to what Christ did on the cross...!
created4goodwrks 3 months ago
I, in no way, feel that an omnipotent and omniscient being, such as the Christian god, has done everything within his power to save humanity. I, as mere ignorant human being, can conceive of better ways to save humanity from damnation. What does that say about him?
two2birds 5 months ago
uhm, if god has done everything in his power to make sure people don't go to hell and people still go to hell then god is not all powerful.
Ryners 6 months ago
The only way "god" would have done EVERYTHING in its power to prevent humans from going to "hell" would be to have not made hell in the first place.
Ihatemelee 7 months ago
God is as powerful as a placebo sugar pill and the only hell I can think of is sitting through a church sermon
Rahn127 9 months ago
The notion that God has done everything in his power to keep us from going to Hell--AND the notion that God is all powerful, all knowing and all good--are contradictory notions. A central tenet of Christianity is that the price for a ticket to heaven is credulity. You HAVE to believe and repent, then you go to Heaven, otherwise, it's eternal damnation. Think of all the things and all-powerful God could do to convince people. Just showing up would be just one thing any normal mortal could do.
DandAinTac 9 months ago
If He has done everything in his power, than He is not very powerful
rewberg 9 months ago
If God is all powerful and he's done everything in his power to prevent us from going to hell, doesn't that mean he's just gotten rid of hell. Bam, doesn't exist. Satan is gone, hell is gone, problem solved. If so, maybe he should tell someone about it. Then again he doesn't tell anyone he exists so maybe he just doesn't like talking and expects us to guess.
ToyletGnome 10 months ago
huh
QuestionAll1 11 months ago
i dont think so, i think if he wanted he could force us all to be christian, but gods really into free will
doyce1000 11 months ago
I'm a christian and I would say no God hasn't. Although maybe the pastor meant God has done everything in his power to prevent us from going to hell, WHILE ensuring we still are in a state of free will.
boomtastic67 1 year ago
@theoreticalbullshit I think the point that your missing is that this period this age is faith God's gift to us is for us to have faith to explore who we are and make mistakes to seek him. When the Answerman said God he probable was refering to Jesus our Lord. Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lord he lived as a man and he is the fullness of God in our universe. Kings hath need of subjects but more than that I believe Jesus would have everyone even the murderer on the other cross.
Rapture092011Repent 1 year ago
"God would not ask anyone to do anything against his/her own will."
Well how about being born? Were you consulted before being born? Did you approve of accepting the challenge to accept gods existence or face eternal torment for not accepting? Or were you just tossed into the mix and forced to make the choice? This is why christian theology is convoluted, it says one thing but can't be backed up with any sort of reasoning because it contradicts itself.
Relativisticism 1 year ago
Hank Hannegraff is his name, TBS. No, God has NOT done everything to insure our so called salvation. If he had, then noone would be lost and on their way to hellfire. An all knowing, all seeing God failed to do what he came to do...save all men from their sins? No, it's not man who failed God, but God who failed man.
debra53758 1 year ago
As always, a great question, Scott. I'm sure that true 'bible thumpers' will have a great answer that makes as much sense as the 'thumped' on which they base their beliefs and lives. But in reality, knowing quite a bit about Christianity, I would offer that the entire drama is as if God is the daddy sitting in his overstuffed chair, drinking a beer and watching football, and the kids are simply doing whatever they choose! If a God actually HAS power, He needs a parenting class on tough love!!
justanote7 1 year ago
god is allmighty
god is allknowing
god is good
two of them exclude the third - unless: god works in mysterious ways
Skelros 1 year ago
An "omnipotent" god has done "everything in this power" and failed?
Why do people still believe in this bozo?
busterpiggle 1 year ago
Well no he hasnt. I mean paul got a fucking light from heaven shined in his face and jesus spoke to him....if it's possible to do that to get people to believe how come I havnt had jesus personally visit me?
AbusiveAntitheist 1 year ago
if god is all powerful why doesnt he just kick the shit out of satan and get this over with ;)
DrinkSkateSleep 1 year ago
sounds to me that he is not all loving if he does not do more to keep us from ending up in hell. If he really has done all in his power to prevent this, he is very either stupid/insane, or limited.
bicstic8 1 year ago
TBS do you read all of these?
JesusGodDamnRocks 1 year ago
Gotta work on your "slowly slipping away", ninja-man!
busterpiggle 2 years ago
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Q: (view video)
A: 1. Man goes to hell cause of sin.
2. Man does not see GOD because of sin, sin is abomination to GOD
3. So GOD sent a perfect man to die for your sins. That man was Jesus.
4. But God was fair. Not everyone will be saved. Only those who beleive in Jesus against all opposition. That is FAIR.
5. Those who do good on earth, GOD will help them realize his TRUTH. Fair
6. Those who look for TRUTH, will find her and GOD will reveal his secrets to you. Fair.
So....yes.
panatime1231 2 years ago
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Explorer766 2 years ago
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God has done everything to prevent us from going to hell, first of all, he sent his only loved son Jesus to die for our sins, which no man can do for anyone.he allows sun to shine and rain to fall on the good and the bad, he provided us with the bible that we may know and understand his ways, and work according to his commandments so as to escape hell, he;s even given us the freedom of choice to do what we please, and you say he hasnt done anything??well that's such a lame accusation, cos he has
theaccousticaddict 2 years ago
@ theaccousticaddict......please, be so kind and tell me why an all loving father would ever want to kill his only child??? is this to show how extremely loving he is?? and he provided us with a bible that is full of negativity, Murder, slavery, rap, Ritual Human and Animal Sacrifice's..also tell me who said God is a HE?
whitemisa 2 years ago 7
@whitemisa, firstly, there's something you need to know, Jesus offered himself to be a sacrifice to save mankind and the world from sin, God would not ask anyone to do anything against his/her own will, this example alone shows how God loves the extend of love God has for mankind, and what do you mean by bible full of negativity, murder, slavery, why dont you be a bit specific. How can one who is blind to the evil of the world judge God about the bible??
theaccousticaddict 2 years ago
@theaccousticaddict.."God would not ask anyone to do anything against his/her own will," right and that's why this kind of god will be very angry with you if you don't warship him...
I am sorry, but to me this looks more like that the "Christian / Catholic type of God" has a Sadistic Personality Disorder. (someone who uses physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance) ...like being Ok with human sacrifices...like torturing Jesus 2 death....killing innocent babies, etc.
whitemisa 2 years ago 24
@whitemisa, listen mate, God has given every man the freedom of choice to do whatever he or she wants, if you do good, you,ll be rewarded with good, but if you do bad you,ll be rewarded with evil, that's just the way it goes, we have our heart, mind and conscience to help us refrain from evil and do good, so anyone who doesn't listen to his heart, is just after the lust, wealth and things of the world. The way of a man seemeth right in his eyes, but at the end leads to destruction, God bless.
theaccousticaddict 2 years ago
#1... @theaccousticaddict...well makes sense, I know we all have free will and so do all the animals and plants in this universe, but the God-Force is a 100% neutral Energy without an ego-problem and never judges you and is not even interested in controlling you in anyway in the first place...God force is 100% loving and is only interested in growing/expanding....and all that was made form that force plants, planed's, people, etc...has the same build in instinct and wish to grow...
whitemisa 2 years ago 7
#2 ...@theaccousticaddict.... so if someone does something evil/mean/hurtful to another or even him/herself the speed of oscillation in this body will be reduced....but the god force has not made a "everlasting hell or FIRE" for humans as punishment...wanting to be "good" is actually natural...someone being "bad" just means this person has lost a lot of its oscillation energy (lost his way) and is farther away form the God-force at the moment..
whitemisa 2 years ago 3
@whitemisa Of course there is a simpler explanation then a god that uses cruelty or violence for the establishing dominance. That this god was made up by people that only knew how to use cruelty and violence to dominate others and unlike the good book says, he was made in their image instead of the other way around. If this god exists I know I'm not made in his image, I am not nearly cruel or sadistic enough for that to be the case.
fireflygirl246 1 year ago 2
@whitemisa Well what you think does not know, you have to know things before coming to conclusions, "thinking" does not count.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
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@theaccousticaddict OK, I have NO idea what you just said...by the way where you alseep for 11 months..is that why it took you so long to say anything back to me?....
what does "Well what you think does not know" mean??
and what logic are you referring to when you say "thinking" does not count."
?????
HUH???
OR does ANYBODY else understand what MR. theaccousticaddict.has said here??
whitemisa 1 year ago
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@whitemisa, God is a HE, that's because he created man in his own image and likeness, and when he saw that man was alone, he made him fall into a deep sleep and from the man's ribs he created a female, and since the female came from the man, she was called Woman, because she cam from a man, so there you go.
theaccousticaddict 2 years ago
and if you God made man in his own image and likeness we would all walk around as a blob of super bright white light. since the GOD Force is not a person in the first place...
whitemisa 2 years ago 10
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What i said was that God created man in his own image, not sharing his power and glory with man, just the shape of God, how God looks like. But not with the power and glory, just the bodily appearance.
theaccousticaddict 2 years ago
@theaccousticaddict We have the appearance we do because it's adapted through evolution to be more efficient to our environment. There is evidence for this found throughout nature, and we can see through the fossil records that species have indeed changed throughout the course of history.
clgrnt 1 year ago
sorry sir "adapting to be more efficient to our surrounding" is not in nature's dictionary and its very unrealistic, evolution itself never happened, oh yes it has, but only in the minds of evolutionary fanatics like you not in reality. Have you ever seen an ape turn to man? no. "And we can see through the fossil record.." yeah right, you cant see anything through the fossil records, they are just a collection of long dead animal bones, the record is not a clip that show us how animals evolved.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict Thank you for proving your ignorance. It's those who think that for evolution to be seen as fact we need to show that an ape gave birth to a human? First off we share a common ancestor with modern apes, no one's saying we are the product of an evolved form of current great apes. Second, there IS much evidence to support evolution. Even a graduate of high school biology classes could show you the connection between human and chimpanzee dna is inarguable. The evidence is there.
clgrnt 1 year ago
@clgrnt No we dont share any common ancestor with apes, apes had a common ancestor which was an ape, and humans also had a human as a common ancestor, you cud say we all where created by the same God, but saying that humans evolved from the same ancestor as apes is not realistic and totally illogical, you can only make this claims if you,ve seen such thing happen, but making this claims and basing it on theories made up by men, i dont buy that at all, its foolishness.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict You are making claims with absolutely nothing backing them except your own religious beliefs, beliefs which contradict known scientific fact. The fact that the human and chimp genome differs by only about 1% is pretty strong evidence. There is nothing to support the existence of a god, there is plenty to support theories accepted as fact by modern science. Enjoy a life of intellectual ignorance.
clgrnt 1 year ago
@clgrnt And you are making claims with man made up theories to back it up, how about some real life evidence? Am seek of stupid theories, fossil records and all those stupid made up things, why not base your claims on things you,ve seen and not what science textbooks tell you. "There is nothing to support the existence of God" wrong, you need to have the holy spirit in you to commune with God and the holy spirit is only given to those who believe. Enjoy a life living as an animal.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict You're evidently too closed minded to see facts for what they are, so there is no reason to continue on with this. Also I have seen evidence for evolution with my own eyes, some of us have obtained more than a high school education. Your cult has been known throughout it's history to shut down intelligent free thinkers, I'm not surprised that simpletons such as yourself still attempt so today. Science > cults worshiping carpenters
clgrnt 1 year ago
@clgrnt You are the deluded and manipulated one, you dont believe that God exists but you believe that there must definitely be aliens out there, does that make sense? No, if there is a chance that there are aliens and other civilisations out there, is it not wise to say that God might also be out there? But the truth is that you guys dont even want to accept the reality of God, you wish he never existed and there's nothing that will change ur mind, cos you,ve chosen not to believe, shame.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict Great argument, pick a random topic which I haven't mentioned anything about and try to us it against me. You truly are a moron.
clgrnt 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict I have evidence and reason for my beliefs, your rejection of them are that of biased ignorance. You're like a small child fixated on a story book, it would be too painful to admit that that's all it is and you would have to cope with scientific fact. That of course would also assume you have learned enough science to have a reasonable understanding and be able to give reasons for your rejections.
clgrnt 1 year ago
@clgrnt And what evidence could that be? I reject this things cos there's no real evidence for it and its not part of science, science is the study of things seen and observed, not the study of theories made up by man to try and explain how life and the universe began millions of years ago. There's no facts about science, just theories that keep changing from time to time, there's no truth in something that keep changing. We are not animals, get real.
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict Please read scholarly books and articles on evolution before you make blatantly incorrect statements like 'have you ever seen an ape turn into a man? no'. That and 'how could an eye just make itself' are probably the 2 most unintelligent comments I see people incorrectly make about evolution.
Handsdown09 1 year ago
@Handsdown09 So by reading scholarly boosk on evolution makes evolution right? you dont get it do you!get this:
1.Nothing without mind cannot create reason and logic.
2.Nothing without intelligence cannot create comprehension and understanding.
3.Nothing without morals cant create complex ethical codes and legal systems.
4.Nothing without conscience cant create a sense of right and wrong.
5.Nothing without emotion cant create drama, dance, comedy, literature, music and dance.
Use your senses!
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict You are bat shit crazy.......and your English is horrible. Not surprising you havn't read science books.
Handsdown09 1 year ago
@Handsdown09 LOL, Ok, so you believe my English is bad bcos i have not read any science books? that's stupid. If its down to speaking and presentation, i,d win you hands down so let's not just go there, stick to the subject "Evolution, the greatest hoax of all time". Does reading science books change the fact that nothing without emotion cannot create music, drama, art, dance comedy etc. Read ALL the science books in the world, the fact still remains, the truth is right there in front of u
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict I believe your English is bad because you typed "nothing without mind cannot create reason and logic"....that incorrect usage of the word cannot.
Handsdown09 1 year ago
@Handsdown09 then you misunderstood me, the scientific world claims that life and the universe came to be from nothing, they claim "they universe expanded" from what? "From nothing, it just expanded and exploded into existence! presto. And those who believe this crap call themselves "educated".
theaccousticaddict 1 year ago
@theaccousticaddict I didn't misunderstand you, I just pointed out that you used terrible English to convey your point.
Handsdown09 1 year ago
"she was called Woman, because she cam from a man,.."Ok, that would only make sense in the English language...In German for example The Man is "DER MAN" and The woman is " DIE FRAU"...plus every single male baby always was first a female fetus first and only after the Y-chromosome called the SRY (sex determining region) is activated, will it become male,..so in nature female is first ....
whitemisa 2 years ago 37
@whitemisa
Good point! While we're in the womb we actually start out as a female. So how come the bible speaks as though everything started out as a male? Well in my opinion, that is thanks to a sexist, very human.... man. :-)
StevenJKpower 1 year ago 3
@whitemisa "man" (a male person" is "ish" in Hebrew, a woman is "ishah" - which misses the fact that the Hebrew says god created mankind (adamah) in is image, as man (ish) and (ishah)
In Luther's translation, he said god created Menschen (people) in his image, and created "Menschen" as "Mann" and "Weib" (not "Frau as you inaccurately state)
In both instances, the word chosen is more properly rendered in English as "humans" or "mankind" not male persons
StarTrekLivz 5 months ago
if God has infinite power noone would go to hell
SilverPhoenix0733 2 years ago
um....
all you need to cite is all the people who have never heard of jesus of nazareth. I like the way Christopher Hitchens puts it, He talks about how god chose one remote corner in bronze age palestine, where the news would takeso long to reach the rest of the world that in many corners of the world people still havent hearde of him. All the christian god had to do was make sure everyone in the world knew his word...but he failed even there.
thegreatestbak 2 years ago 5
I recall somewhere in "his book", that all people who have not learned of Jesus, Christianity, etcetera get a free ticket to heaven. So to answer the question has God done everything he can to prevent us from going to hell? I would have to say no. He could simply have not told any of us about himself if he wanted us to not go to hell. My 2 cents
ParadigmaticShift 2 years ago 10
(continued) My point being that it is more complex if the engine is conscious and has a will of its own, like a human being. You are comparing a living, thinking, concious human being with a tool designed for locomotion. What is our purpose anyway? I thought that the Bible offered morals to live by, or does the Bible say our PURPOSE is to do what God says and follow him. I guess if that's true we'd do well to look at that slave analogy again.
laserwacky 2 years ago 2
To GDominator, the engine analogy? Just makes you look stupid. A more accurate one would be "you paid for a surrogated child to own as a slave. It has a purpose, to serve you whatever that might entail. You give it instructions to be obediant and threaten it if it acts on its own inclinations as a human being. The child doesn;t understand why it isn't allowed to play. You tell it that would go against its purpose of serving you. You threaten it with hell and force it to sweep your floor."
laserwacky 2 years ago 2
I think the most obvious thing God might have forgotten to tick on his list of stuff-to-do-to-prevent-humans-who-I-don't-want-to-go-to-hell-from-going-to-hell might have been "Don't send them to hell!". I think one of the major things which people forget is that it is by god's will (apparently) that somebody gets sent to hell. It's not like he can't to anything about it, yet he tries to shift the blame on us, whose natural behavior (designed by him) so clearly don't follow his moral principles.
laserwacky 2 years ago 4
A truly omnipotent being, an all powerful being could not possibly have done everything in his power....If there were truly an all powerful being out there ( megalomaniacal as it were) every non believer out there would be attacked with large fling bibles. There would have been a jesus in every street of every town preaching to everyone, and a booming voice would awaken you every morning (at 6:30 am promptly) to pray.
skywize 2 years ago
When you tried to "slowly slip away", were you trying to immitate a Myst linkingbook sound? :P
Mithcoriel 2 years ago
This is a good question. God has the ability to eliminate all our problems from existance. You know what? The whole fall of man and the slow self-destruction of man on earth never had to happen. God could have eliminated LUCIFER and man would not have had to fall. SO WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN??? I can explain. Remember that what I have to say is not mentioned in many "christian faith". My vision stems from the bible and include many of the professies stated in the bible.
GDominator 2 years ago
God is limited in what he can do for one specific reason: the rules of the GREAT CONTROVERSY. The GREAT CONTROVERSY is the war that has been fought between LUCIFER and GOD, since the fairness of GOD's government was questioned. Since LUCIFER could not receive worship, LUCIFER attacked GOD's commandments; he said that no man could keep the commandments of GOD. Therefore, LUCIFER and GOD made a wager. If LUCIFER could gain rulership over an entire planet, he could rule it for the rest of eternity.
GDominator 2 years ago
If God could prove that one man could live an entire life without sinning then LUCIFER would have to surrender his life in rebelion against GOD (because now LUCIFER could not be trusted). To make the conflict fair, "rules of engagement" were created. None of GOD's angels or the fallen angels could appear visibily to any human being. Possesion of humans was only allowed if the human being gave the angel permission. A reference to Illegal possesion can be found in Luke 8:27-31. Limits are made.
GDominator 2 years ago
"To make the conflict fair, "rules of engagement" were created. . ."So the angel appearing to Mary was against the rules? Seems he was happy to do it back then. As well as the angels appearing to Lot. And the pleas of the person who had been told ever since he was born that if he questioned the book he would fry in hell asking for something to show itself goes unanswered why? This isn't really a good response.
Cyrathil 2 years ago
Was Mary a follower of God? Was Lot? If the person is a follower of God or just wishes that the creator of all that is around him would show his power, His angels have the right to show themselves. If the angels do not have permission then they can no appear openly. Secondly, nowhere in the bible does it say that hell is an eternally burning place of punishment. I will talk more about this in my next comment. Note: these 500 word limitations are very annoying.
GDominator 2 years ago
In the bible (Old King James Version is my reference), it doesn't say that HELL is an eternally burning place. One reference for hell fire is found in the book of Malachi, chapter 4. It says: For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be STUBBLE: and the day that cometh shall BURN THEM UP, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch....for they shall be ASHES under the soles of your feet... .
GDominator 2 years ago
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Was Mary a follower of God? Was Lot? If the person is a follower of God or just wishes that the creator of all that is around him would show his power, His angels have the right to show themselves. If the angels do not have permission then they can no appear openly. Secondly, nowhere in the bible does it say that hell is an eternally burning place of punishment. I will talk more about this in my next comment. Note: these 500 word limitations are very annoying.
GDominator 2 years ago
So you see, hell fire is not eternal; the effect, DEATH, of hellfire IS ETERNAL. And just because its fires are unquenchable or unextinguishable does not mean the fire is eternally burning; the example of firefight unable to EXTINGUISH a fire explains this senario. By the way, eternal hell fire or PURGITORY was an invention of the ROMAN CATHOLIC INSTITUTION. Hell fire comes after the judgement, as told in DANIEL and REVELATION. Thanks for the counter comments; give me something to talk about. :)
GDominator 2 years ago
That's all well and good, but it still doesn't answer the question why some people are given absolute knowledge of this deity, while some are given absolutely nothing. If there truly were these "rules of engagement" shouldn't we expect to find that no one was given these signs. Or is it more likely that there is nothing going on, and it's just a by-product of a mind overly adapted to detect intelligent causation in everything around us, whether it actually exists or not?
Cyrathil 2 years ago
To be truthfully honest, we are judged by what we know. Therefore, if someone were to tell you about a creator or heavenly father, it would be expected that you inquire who, what, where and most importantly why; why is there conflict in the world today; why it still exist; why would a kind-hearted creator do thing to us. My point is that we don't just throw away the information given to us until we can definitely disprove it. This comment is should set the environment of my next comment.
GDominator 2 years ago
People are given knowledge by our Creators not to hid it from others but to share it. This is my reason for talking to you; I am trying to give people the information I have so the can be informed. Why do you think that our Creators messages and warnings came through the prophets; they were the messengers of our Creators. Remember God can only us mediatory means to communicate with humans (angels, prophets, etc.). I receive my information through the bible and Elen G. White. (latterday prophet)
GDominator 2 years ago
That's not really an accurate answer... The fact of the matter is some people are given the level of evidence they require to have these beliefs, while some others are just left to twiddle their thumbs on the issue because they are given nothing. Before I lost my faith, I was scared as hell and asked for anything, any sort of sign, and nothing happened. Some people who are perfectly solid in their beliefs get their signs. Why this difference?
Cyrathil 2 years ago
We could go and say "Maybe the deity can't intervene/it's a test/etc. etc.". These aren't answers, they are rationalizations. We could also say that "There was never any sign being answered, and all these people who get these signs are just mistaking something their mind naturally does and interpreting it as coming from a diety". The latter fits in very well with what we already know about the world around us, and the brain especially.
Cyrathil 2 years ago
Your right! We don't really know. Another possibility is that you don't know that God has intervene. It is easy to say that they are making it up and lying. However, you don't know how it fells unless you have experienced it. Saying that you know a person's feelings more than them is arrogant. There are things in this world that we accept by faith even though we have no proof. Besides, God doesn't always speak to people directly. I am running out of room; We'll talk some more later.
GDominator 2 years ago
That is a good point; but to be truthfully honest, it isn't black and white; I wasn't a christian. In the beginning, I hated God; my life was miserable. My mother was growing in her faith in Christ after she left the ROMAN CATHOLIC INSTITUTION, but I never felt the connection to God. When I was 18 years old, I started looking back on insidences that I had remembered. I should not be alive today; I should have died 7 years ago. I am not a goody goody if that is what you think. I have struggled.
GDominator 2 years ago
"I should not be alive today"
And this isn't evidence of divine intervention. I nearly got into a car accident a few weeks ago, and situations like that seem to follow me around (I've lived a relatively "blessed" life, in that in the end, everything works out for me, despite the fact they should have failed miserably).
If your being saved is proof of a deity, then the millions, maybe billions, in agonizing pain, and starving is proof against a deity then?
Cyrathil 2 years ago
You make good points, and I am not kissing your ass if you think that is my purpose behind saying that. How do you prove too the universe the effects of sin, not sinning, but sin. How do we prove that rebellion against God law is dangerous to ourselves and will lead to self-destruction? I want to know what you think about it.
GDominator 2 years ago
"How do we prove that rebellion against God law is dangerous to ourselves and will lead to self-destruction?"
That one is quite easy. Show some added benefit which comes solely because the person follows the law which is supposedly dangerous to break. I can point to car seat laws and say "Breaking this law is dangerous" and I can point to people who break them and then usually end up worse.
"How do you prove too the universe the effects of sin, not sinning, but sin." Elaborate, please?
Cyrathil 2 years ago
8th commandment: Thou shalt not steal; If you take, someone esle loses; can result in negative felling on both sides; negative fellings damage the body and shorten life span; therefore damaging and self-destructive. This is an example of the trend that follows breaking the commandments (in exception to the 4th commandment). As for sin and not sinning. Can you agree that you can suffer as a result of another persons sin or transgression? You commited no sin, yet you pay most of the price.
GDominator 2 years ago
The 8th Commandment is just as valid evidence for the existence of Yahweh as it is for the Goddess in Wicca. It's not transgression against Yahweh which is causing the pain, it's something else. I don't recognize that there is anything called "sin". There are only actions. The actions which are committed can have an effect on me, sure. This is still no where near evidence for any deity. Besides, the statement "you committed no sin" is horribly anti-scriptural. Being born is considered a sin.
Cyrathil 2 years ago 2
Could you explain what Wicca is? I have only heard of it? And what is your definition of sin? I'm sorry, I just need things cleared up for me.
GDominator 2 years ago
Wicca is one of the pagan beliefs. Might have been a poor choice, but it's the first one that came to mind. The specifics aren't important, the point being most religions have something where you're not supposed to steal. If it is evidence of Yahweh, it's just as much evidence of all other religious traditions which say "don't steal".
I don't have a definition of sin. I don't believe there is anything called sin. There are actions we call good and bad. No sin.
Cyrathil 2 years ago
Let me try to explain it this way. Let us say that we have an combustion engine in front of us. We also have the instructions and owners manual for how it operates. The manual tells us what to do and what not to do to run the engine properly. What happens if we breach the instructions to the manual? The engine will not run properly. How does this connect to the bible? Every message (including the ten commandments) are important to our full operation. Disobeying the bible words to us destroys us.
GDominator 2 years ago
Not exactly valid, because say I'm a Honda; apparently the Mitsubishi manual covers almost exactly the same thing I need from the Honda manual, as well as my neighbor who knows almost nothing about the combustion engine. Are the owner's manuals really all that important? Most of what Christianity says, and gets right, so does almost every other religious tradition. The stuff that it says that is fairly unique is also fairly wrong or absolute faith.
Cyrathil 2 years ago 2
i didn't realize it but you misunderstood me. Let me rephrase it "For everyone who has possibly though about my question..." I was not even mention my measly intellect in that sentence.
psk6565 2 years ago
lol, You haven't even dealt with the issue.
psk6565 2 years ago
offense? huh? Why would I be offended? Whatever
psk6565 2 years ago
"we know that logic and reason are the best ways to determine what is logical and reasonable." For everyone that has might of thought about my question I was trying to point out that you using the method "logic and reason" to determine that "logic and reason" is a good worldview. You don't realize it but you are using circular reasoning to produce your worldview.
psk6565 2 years ago
'logic and reasoning' are supported by everything we observe in the world around us, they 'view the world' - on some level they are constantly subject to change and scrutiny. Using logic and reasoning seems like the best thing we can do to produce a worldview.
What else would you propose to produce a worldview from? Blind faith?
If you're going to reply please private message me since I doubt I'll check this again, I'm interested to hear your response.
Dragon0007 2 years ago
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ohwow2525 2 years ago
I have a question for people who are atheists and use logic and reason to determine what is correct. "How do you determine that using logic and reason is the correct method to determine that something is correct?" If you use logic and reason to determine that this method is correct, "How do you determine that using logic and reason to determine that using logic and reason is the correct method of determining that logic and reason is the correct method to finding out what is correct?"
psk6565 2 years ago
well its seemed to work so far? are you saying everything that has been discovered using logic and reason is wrong?
element1988 2 years ago 2
its just the best method we have so far in determining whats probable.
HayteStreet 2 years ago
psk6565:
Mind cramp, wow! I understand the question though.
OnThe246 2 years ago
see : Atheist
globalarte 2 years ago
Secrets of The Psychics (Part 1 of 6)
globalarte 2 years ago
TB, It is unbiblical to say God tries to accomplish something and can't. God sent Christ to accomplish the salvation of those He chose from the foundation of the world (eph.1:4).
Isaiah 55:11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
God does not lose anyone whom He sent His son for and has accomplished, through His power, to save them.
psk6565 2 years ago
psk, please clarify...are you saying that god chose those who would be saved? by that logic, it is safe to assume that he chose to condemn the others. if this is so, how is he loving, merciful, or figiving; and how does free will come into play here? does the idea of predestination and the idea that god sent christ to accomplish the salvation of those he chose from the foundation of the world and the obvious condemnation that provides others negate free will?
oginala 2 years ago
Free-will is not a biblical idea. Man is somehow controlled by God, but man still is accountable for his actions.
Genesis 50:20 "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.
Joseph's brothers sold him into slavery b/c they hated him, But God, in His providence, predestined the selling into slavery would put Joseph in a position of power.
God is in control, but man is still accountable.
psk6565 2 years ago
thank you for clarifying, though i found your answer most discouraging. what kind of peace can that belief bring? I'm glad he's not my god.
oginala 2 years ago
Well, as one who has been saved by God, it makes me full of peace! I know that I am righteous in His sight b/c of my faith in the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ! I know that God has chosen to save me from His wrath and I am now growing in holiness to one day be before Him for all eternity! I am one happy soul!
psk6565 2 years ago
good for you i guess
oginala 2 years ago
see : Atheist
globalarte 2 years ago
hmmmm. yer bipolar arent you?
jumbobobcleo 2 years ago
Sorry dude......I'm new to this. Won't happen again. I'll keep watching some of your talks. I like the way you talk ...some interesting stuff.
jesusonlyalways 2 years ago
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jesusonlyalways 2 years ago
I know you mean well and all, but please stop pasting the same comment on all of my videos. That's called spamming.
TheoreticalBullshit 2 years ago
He did everything in His power so far as He wanted His power to go. If He wanted to save everyone, then He would. If He wanted to let all go to hell He would. If He wants to save some He would, and He does.
kr5501 2 years ago
See it to believe it, huh? What are you? Schitzophenic?
screech519 2 years ago
its not entirely accurate,...a more accurate statement would have been " God has has done everything nessicary to provide an opertunity for everyone to get into heaven" Christ is the manifestation of that statement,...the idea is that God does what is needed not what we think should be done,..think of it perhaps this way,..a doctor provides life a saving treatment, but you have to right of refusal,..but refusal will result in your death,..the doctor must tell you the outcome of your refusal...
undoingthewrongs 2 years ago
continued:,...the doctor povides the life saving treatment free of charge and it will benifit you,..but you only need to accept the treatment to live....but by refusing you must accpt the consiquences of that refusal which is death....the doctor is not malicious because the "life saving treatment" is a true benfit to you over death...he is not threatening you with two bad choices...so the question is why refuse,...what exactly do you think you are going to be missing by doing so?
undoingthewrongs 2 years ago
You really want to make the analogy accurate?
You've never seen this doctor. In fact you have no conclusive evidence that this doctor exists. All the nurses tell you that he does, but they've never met him either. In fact, nobody at the entire hospital has.
Somebody brings you a hand-written note that describes your illness and how you will die if you don't get treatment. You ask the nurse, "Is this the Doc's handwriting?" But it isn't. In fact she doesn't know who wrote it.
(continued...)
TheoreticalBullshit 2 years ago
your initial premise hinged on the understanding that you have the knowledge of Gods exisstance,..which is a claim the bible makes...that we all have this innate knowledge...ive even heard aithiests allude to a geneitc connection to the belief in God.....so even they dont find it that far fetched...if you are innately aware of Gods existance then my analogy holds true...you are aware of the doctor existance and thus his treatment, is in fact a legitimate cure...refusal will result in death.
undoingthewrongs 2 years ago
You're missing the point. My premise did not in any way hinge on human beings knowing that God exists. The fact is that human beings do NOT have knowledge of God's existence.
The question was, in light of that fact, if God DOES exist, has he done everything in his power?
I did a follow-up to this video that you might want to check out. It's called "Freewill and Lazy Deities".
TheoreticalBullshit 2 years ago
"The question was, in light of that fact, if God DOES exist,....?"
"if God DOES exist"....this is the qualifying statement that says you have already accepted the knowledge of Gods existence within the frame work of your hypothisis..within that constraint the answer i provided is sufficient...if God doesnt exist then my analogy falls apart,...but since the question of Gods existance is unanswerable we revert to your original premise, "if God does exists then X is true or false."
undoingthewrongs 2 years ago
you didnt say "first prove God exists then prove that he has done everything in his power." so the deal is, if you are going to argue that the ideology is flawed because its your belief that God cannot exist, then any answer will be insufficient...the entire thing hinges on YOUR knowledge of Gods existance....you lack that knowledge....thats not my problem its yours....lol...i mean that in the nicest way possible.
undoingthewrongs 2 years ago
... As if this weren't bad enough, many different nurses bring you many different hand-written notes all describing different illnesses, treatments, and consequences to refusing treatment. They all come with the same story.
As a matter of fact, all these notes seem to have been written by entirely different doctors. You ask the nurse, "Which one of these is from MY doctor?"
But nobody at the hospital seems to know. In fact, nobody even has any evidence that you have a disease.
(continued)
TheoreticalBullshit 2 years ago
...The operation costs thousands of hours and you have to go in for check-ups every week for the rest of your life. And yet you don't even know if your doctor exists, or if you have a life-threatening disease in the first place.
You sure you'd have the operation? If you didn't, and you walked out of that hospital... and then after all that, you died.... Are you sure your family wouldn't sue him for negligence?
TheoreticalBullshit 2 years ago
*god* what a beautiful analogy. Do you think in terms of analogy Scott? You seem to have a way with on the one hand categorizing like things in a way that is very accessible intuitively and on the other cutting right to the heart of what matters in an assertion or argument. You also have a gift for language.
I have a strong affinity for analogy but I am not as strong with language. I often find myself struggling to find the right words to efficiently express what I am thinking.
sammcalpine 2 years ago 2
Actually, TB, I'm still not sure that the analogy is correct. God created hell, and he sends people to hell if they don't accept his salvation.
Therefore, it'd be more accurate to say that you're in hospital, you may or may not have a life threatening disease, the doctor may or may not exist, there are many different notes, AND if you don't accept the treatment from the possibly existent doctor, he will give you a lethal injection. (Just a little joke. Did you like it? I know you did!)
threewiseman1 2 years ago
OK... so I'm looking around me... seeing a lot of man made things...
screech519 3 years ago
the proper way to put it would be, the coach trained them to the fullest used all the proper plays and all the rest was up to the team and how they played but if they don't play their best they lose, the coach(being God) did everything in his power to prepare his team for the game, but say a couple members of the team don't trust him....kinda like some people don't beleive in God...but God did everything in his power to help, the rest is up to us and how we play the game....
AlBasti102 3 years ago
yes i believe he has......if he tried anything more hed have to go against free will, all of the rest is left up to us christians
(yikes i mean some of them give people like me bad names, not all of us are wackos) anyway, all thats left is for God to 'rapture' the people he/we managed to 'save'........*sigh* sadly its hard for people, who think they have all the answers, to believe in someone like God.....
AlBasti102 3 years ago
Where's the PROOF of there being a God? Oh... yeah... there isn't any.
screech519 3 years ago
Look around you
CAMIV68 3 years ago
Where's the proof that Santa exists? Look around you! The presents, the carols, the Christmas trees! Lol!
wynd2007 3 years ago 2
yes there is buddy...but it doesnt work the way you want it ...for us christians we had to believe it to see it...but for agnostics and atheist you have to see it to believe it....BUT GOD doesnt work that way buddy
kwesi216 2 years ago
God has done everything in His power to save His elect not the reprobates! Jesus said:
"My sheep hear My voice and I give unto THEM eternal life and THEY will never perish."
John 10:27-8 Just a few verses before He had told the Jewish Leaders of the day that the reason they didn't hear Him was because they were NOT of His sheep.
God has NOT predestined everyone for salvation. We know that for His elect its a done deal. They will be saved and kept. If He wanted to save everyone he would.
Blogrich55 3 years ago 2
but why wouldn't He want to save everyone?
queequeg89 3 years ago
but why wouldn't He want to save everyone?
"For so it seemed good to Him." Some people say God acts capriciously or on a whim because He predestines some and not others. Yet, as humans, we all have our likes and dislikes.
Artists do not use all the same color schemes when choosing a theme for a painting. Why don't people put chocolate frosting on cornbread? Why not mix ketchup in Chinese fried rice. We all have things we prefer. God is no different. He designed and created good and evil both
Blogrich55 3 years ago
well, I'm not a Christian...nowadays...but I would say that one cannot say that God has done ALL He can do to keep us from sinning when He KNOWINGLY put a toxic tree in our playpen KNOWING that we would eat it! Oh, and the whole Satan creation too!
julzabro 3 years ago 2
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Deygohhh 2 years ago
I did stumble across you. I'm a Christian and I love your videos. You're the only atheist which makes a valid, genuine and heartfelt call to try to figure it out without being a hater. I'm with you there friend. Keep on. So many questions but I'll save 'em for a rainy day.
kate in Co.
kdaniels19 3 years ago
God keeps the devil around to sort out the good and the bad so if you go to hell, thats where your meant to be, even God couldent change that unless he got rid of temptation for the bad ish. Sorry my thoughts arent organized but thats my response. pCe
kb10801 3 years ago
This is y I tend to think that perhaps God isn't omnipotent or omniscient; perhaps what's paying attention to us if anything is more akin to the Jedi's Force than to a singular discernible consciousness as presented in most monotheistic religions.
avataroftheancients 3 years ago
I know this is for your christian viewers but i thought i'd give you my response. Looking at this from my brief religious experience, from the Islamic point of view, the devil is controlled by God. There are Angels at the gates of hell. The devil puts temptation in our life and bad thoughts and feelings and all that other ish. He really could of just gotten rid of the devil but i believe (in my opinion)
kb10801 3 years ago
Is God omnipotent or omniscient? Is it a God with a discernible consciousness? If so, why would God make ppl if he knew that many would end up in hell because of choices he knew they would make? This always gets me bc neither I nor anyone else ever asked to exist or to b faced with the choice to worship God or not. That seems to be the ultimate violation of free will. The Matrix argument could work if God weren't threatening eternal torment for choices I've already made but don't understand.
avataroftheancients 3 years ago 3
i think what most atheists are thinking is that if he really wanted us to stray away from sin while there still beeing sin in the world, then he could've just made his existance ALOT more obvious so that people would be like "o there's a devil and god i'm going to hell, now i know i shouldn't sin"
SousukePanic 3 years ago
Well thats why they have prayer and ish with this religion, all is forgiven in confessional. . .you could kill and just confess and your sins are forgiven? Thats easy. . .this is why i dont follow this rligion. . .pray and sins are forgiven? nah thats a joke. . by that standards and the law why cant you just take the religious POV? i killed. . God forgave me. . .so im free of trial?
uniiqueriider 3 years ago
i am a christian one thing i like watching your videos no reason why just do but anyway i don't think he did but he tried. besides where you go if you do go to either heaven or hell, not saying christianity is right but if you do the whole thing was a bet between god and satin to begin with.
jdjishlo 3 years ago
Wow! So becoming a man, thought the bible says he wouldn't, that was so famous he converted 3000 Jews in one day yet so obscure he failed to make it into the secular history of the Romans or the Jews in a remote area of 1st century Palestine is the best he could do, eh? Choice? Behold, I stand at the door and knock but if you don't let me in I'll burn the f***ing thing down with you in it..FOR ETERNITY! Compulsory love = misnomer. Revelation seems a bit lacking in choices wouldn't you say?
rationalskeptic7718 3 years ago
"He can micromanage, He simply doesn't. He can do everything we need, but how dare we ask something of Him we're not willing to work for."
So your answer to this video then is that God *does not* do "EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER" to ensure we will be saved.
Thank you, you have proved my point.
Like I said before, free will is independent of knowledge, just because someone knows that stealing is wrong, doesn't mean they won't do it when faced with an economic crisis, for example.
Domidoolalala 3 years ago 2
Your Christian audience comes from other Christains responding to you.
God did everything thousands of years ago when Jesus died on the cross. He said in the greek perfect tense 'It is finished.' The perfect tense would imply that Christ paying our debt and allowing us recompense is all He could do. We now have a choice to make. God doesn't force Himself on us, so now its up to us. He gave the ultimate sacrafice. His only son.
christianpreachr 3 years ago
I believe TBS said in one of his other videos that gaining knowledge doesn't take away your freedom of choice, if Christianity were true, it would save billions of people if God were to actually give evidence today of his existence.
"He gave the ultimate sacrafice. His only son."
If he's God then we're all his children too and he's letting most of us burn. Also, if he's God, he could think of better ways to save humanity than a blood sacrifice in a remote part of ancient palestine.
Domidoolalala 3 years ago
I also want to say that the "Free Will" argument you're attempting to make will only help prove that God either doesn't care or doesn't exist.
If we're talking about eternity here, where our immortal souls will end up, then this life doesn't mean ANYTHING, and free will is about the worst thing God could give us. It would be a sick, demented joke for a God to hold our immortal souls ransom and not give conclusive evidence that he exists.
Domidoolalala 3 years ago