Air Crash Investigation - Ditch The Plane / Falling Fast (S07E06)

[sbergman27]

By all rights Paola should have lived. She very well might have had it not been for her brilliant policeman boyfriend, who unbuckled her seat belt, and thoughtfully inflated her life vest before the crash, in direct contradiction to the advice of the trained experts. Is there any limit to the stupidity of those trained monkeys with more muscle than brains? Who should have been tried for manslaughter? Luca Squicciarini.

[fortyninepages]

@sbergman27 The policeman was like the stereotypical non-compliant passenger from hollywood disaster movies. Except in the movies he usually dies as a result of his own actions.

[sbergman27]

I must say, it's amazing the way copilots can fish out documentation so quickly. Flit! Flit! Both engines flameout checklist! Flit! Flit! post emergency landing fire on the starboard side check list! Flit! Flit! Passenger smuggled circus elephant on board under their coat check list. Their talents are truly wasted in the cockpit. They should have been librarians.

[magickayson]

The pilot should not be punished that much. As pointed out, improved pilot TRAINING is a recommendation, not the pilots themselves. His decisions to ditch near ships and to radio their position to ATC saved many lives. But for me, forgetting to feather the prop is a big mistake. Moreover, he should have glided the plane towards the airport IMMEDIATELY after all engine fails, while his co-pilot troubleshoots the problem. That's the reason why there are two pilots in the cockpit!

[fortyninepages]

@magickayson Do we know for a fact that he didn't start to turn the plane back immediately? And is that always a wise decision? An unpowered Plane loses a lot of momentum and height doing a 180 degree turn. Either way, hindsight is 20/20. I still can't understand why he's in jail and why no pilot's union or authority has come out in his defense. Note, how the documentary shys away from attributing any blame to the crew.

[magickayson]

@fortyninepages I agree your points, there's no way that he should be in jail. Two questions: did he do a good job? Yes! could he have done better? Yes! (e.g. best gliding speed) So he IS responsible to some extent, but there is no way he is treated the same way like criminals who murder!!!

[Darkseeker109]

Flight simulators are bullshit nothing can compare to realife scenarios !

[Himlagglol]

He killed his girlfriend that fucker I hope he rotts in hell

[fortyninepages]

This policeman seems to be obsessed by terrorism when infact it was probably his own cowardice that caused his GF's death. Says a lot about the Italian judicial system when a hero pilot can be convicted for no other reason than invoking God in ARABIC! If he'd been an Italian pilot nobody would have thought it odd if he'd cried out for help to God or "Santa Maria". This pilot did NOT make a SINGLE mistake that contributed to the crash or 2 anyone's death. Shame on the Islamophobic Italian courts.

[DLPBurke]

@fortyninepages ah yes Islamophobic... of course. Do you ever get tired of using words like that to make excuses? He got sent down because of criminal negligence and nothing your appeasing words can say will change it. Ha.

"Garbi failed to follow emergency procedures, and that he could possibly have reached runway 25 of Palermo "

"Witnesses say he succumbed to panic and began praying out loud, rather than attempting to maneuver the plane to the nearest airport."

[fortyninepages]

@DLPBurke Bullshit! Everything you say has been debunked by this video. You obviously did NOT watch it. You're just quoting the early false sensationalized reports about the incident. Garbi executed every emergency procedure precisely and to the letter and ditched at exactly the right angle to minimize the impact. There was no way any pilot in the world could have guessed the wrong fuel guages had been fitted. Stop talking out of your ass and look at the facts, not the heresay.

[DLPBurke]

@fortyninepages He was tried and convicted. That is as far as it goes.

[fortyninepages]

@DLPBurke You had nothing before, you've got nothing now. At least now you realize it.

[DLPBurke]

@fortyninepages I don't need any argument, the guy was sent down in the law of the land under a fair trial and nothing you can say will change it LOL

[fortyninepages]

@DLPBurke You got busted. Deal with it.

[sbergman27]

@DLPBurke Aerei da Trasporto Regionale's planes have a poor safety record. The American Eagle 4184 investigation touches upon some of its problems. The company had every reason to try to foist blame upon innocent people. Unless vital information has been withheld in this account (why?) it is absurd to hold the pilot accountable. The best source of information, the investigators' report, certainly does not blame the pilot. Even the engineer had no solution.

[DLPBurke]

@fortyninepages People a whole lot more educated than you brought him to trial and the majority disagreed with you and sent him to jail along with the rest.

[fortyninepages]

@DLPBurke Are those the same "educated" people who elected a corrupt toupeed pedophile with the fake orange tan as prime minister for 3 successive terms?

[DLPBurke]

@fortyninepages Can't accept it can you, well keep hiding your head in the sand, he is in jail and staying there haha. Now bye.

[fortyninepages]

@DLPBurke I'm a compassionate man. I'll let you save face by having the last word. Bye.

[sbergman27]

@fortyninepages "I'm a compassionate man. I'll let you save face by.."

Other considerations aside (like the pilot's lack of guilt) there are more pragmatic reasons not to prosecute. The NTSB discourages such action on the grounds that it impairs their ability to get to the truth, thus hampering their ability to improve air safety. Faced with the possibility of personal prosecution people are more likely to clam up and neglect to divulge critical information. Amnesty is generally the best policy.

[fortyninepages]

@sbergman27 And what happened to the party who really WAS guilty? i.e. the service technician/company who fitted the wrong guage to the wrong plane? They don't tell you that.

[sbergman27]

@fortyninepages Probably best not to assign blame @ that level either. If you've watched the episode about BA Flight 5390, where the windshield blows out the the captain spends the rest of the flight stuck outside of the plane (Yes, really!) the rationale for why should be clear. The "guilty" tech's candidness yielded valuable information which has no doubt saved lives. Aerei da Trasporto Regionale's design made this mistake inevitable. Presumably, this lurking catastrophe has been corrected.

[sbergman27]

@fortyninepages BTW, I believe that someone said that Garbi had been convicted of manslaughter. While it's true that an Italian court gave a guilty verdict, SFAIK the appeals process is ongoing. Also worth noting is that news coverage of the crash makes it seem like a completely different incident. If you believe the press, he spent the whole time praying to Allah instead of trying to save the plane. (Gives the story a nice "anti-islam" spin.) ACI's corverage seems to be of much higher quality.

[fortyninepages]

@sbergman27 He's been inside for an awful long time. They'll probably release him early to avoid the embarrassment of an appeal. I hope he can still clear his name. It's the injustice that burns me up. Doesn't matter if he's a Muslim or a Southern Baptist. He was just doing his job. Also out of 3 pilots who tried to simulate the incident only 1 succeeded in landing. And all of them had the benefit of knowing what was wrong so they didn't lose time trying to restart the engines.

[sbergman27]

@fortyninepages I've not found anything recent. & what I have is a bit ambiguous. But I think that no time was to be served until the appeals process was over. WP says there were a few religious oriented comments on the CVR near the end. But then again, by far the most common "last words" on an accident CVR are some variant of "Oh shit!". (The first word varies.) So it's hard to blame him for asking for a bit of help from above. As an atheist, even I'm willing to grant him that.

[armchairexpertnow]

The manufacturer could have made such a critical component fit specifically and only in the right plane by having different shape or dimensions of the box.

[chiragdayal7007]

It was not a pilot error and he shouldn't have been prosecuted for manslaughter, instead it was because of his perfect 9 degree plane orientation before ditching which actually saved so many lives. The outcome could've been even more catastrophic.

[patrickmollette15]

did anyone elses vid freeze at 15:40

[MrBenjamin223]

the cop doesnt deserve to live, insted his girlfriend

[MrBlankBarcode]

Why was the Luca guy doing everything you AREN'T supposed to do???????

[rooooot2]

I dont even know why am i watching this.

next time i am on the plane i will be shitting my self throughout the whole flight

[TrustYourOwnInstinct]

@Airflyer05Videos Praying instead of acting, huh? Why am I not surprised?

[TommyIrianto]

The capt wasn't accused for manslaughter. But failing to heed regulation about refueling documentation. Pilots must have all the necessary documentation about repairs and maintenance as well as De-icing and refueling details. And knowing there were no refueling documentations but decided to fly it anyway was what he was charged for.

Although, the outcome would be much better if the refueling station told the capt that the aircraft was never refueled, instead of "we'll give it to you later".

[Ranillon]

There is a difference between making a mistake and being criminally responsible. The captain did make mistakes, but they were understandable given his situation. At no time was he negligent. To send him to jail for failing to be perfect isn't just wrong, but disturbing because of the precedent it sets. How are pilots going to react if they feel ANY mistake, no matter how slight, can throw them into jail? I'll tell you -- they'll do their best to cover them up -- and who could blame them?

[pokematt99]

17:49 looks like a barbie doll

[workingstiff76]

The pilots of Alaska 261, Japan Air Lines 123, and Valuejet 592 were in impossible situations but they didn't stop trying to save their aircraft and passengers right up to the moment they went to meet their makers. They died like real men and women and real pilots with their hands on the wheel all the way down. What these guys did was unfortunately something totally different.

[starmanskye]

What a HORRIBLE outcome, to hold the pilot culpable for manslaughter. The accident report listed improved pilot TRAINING as a key recommendation to improve recovery chances, so WHY was the pilot indicted? The improper fuel measure was not something he could conceivably have known, & he was further sabotaged by the flight director who said he'd locate the fueling slip on pilot's return. The maximum glide acheivable was BARELY possible, 51 miles, if ALL care was taken, an unrealistic expectation.

[Harry569569]

@starmanskye Pilot was charged for taking off without a refueling docket. If he had followed precedure and not left without obtaining said docket, the plane never would have crashed. That is why he was charged and its fair enough too. This wasn't a mistake, or accident, its a direct violation of policy.

[targeter180]

@starmanskye I agree

[DLPBurke]

@starmanskye There are too many people like you around. Why don't you get on a plane with someone as dumb as this pilot and save us all your crap?

[fortyninepages]

@DLPBurke Go diddle yourself, troll.

[elesandra2]

@etcpool i ask my self the same qt. i also think it was wrong to pursuit legal action against him. i put all fault on the mechanics who installed the fuel meter.

[Illuminatix96]

illuminati crashed that plain

[Oagh]

too sad.

[wasistdaswasdasist]

Did they really start an emergency descent rigt away, instead of feathering and fly on until they would reach the correct hight, to try to restart?

I always thought, the emergency descent would rather be used in case of loss of cabin pressure, fire on board etc....

[shadowz0011]

did the piolets survive?



[Ranillon]

@shadowz0011 The two pilots survived, but the engineer who came up into the cabin to help did not.

[dmo224]

@Airflyer05Videos Not exactly, the pilot mutters to himself a couple times, saying things like, "God help us," but while still flying the plane. It's not like they let go of the controls to put his hands in a praying position or anything; they weren't hysterical.

They are accused of not feathering the props fast enough; the faulty fuel gauge had them convinced that a restart was possible. Not muttering wouldn't have fixed anything.

[Yahriel]

Is there any procedure as far as how many times you should attempt a checklist/procedure before moving on to something else? This isn't the first time I've seen pilots get fixated in restarting an engine when giving up on the engine and optimizing the glide or preparing for an emergency landing would have saved the plane. =/

[wasistdaswasdasist]

@Yahriel "This isn't the first time I've seen pilots get fixated in restarting an engine when giving up on the engine and optimizing the glide or preparing for an emergency landing would have saved the plane. =/".

No, it would mostly not SAVE the plane, it would CRASHland or crash the plane and possibly kill some or all passengers.The decision, to crash a plane, instead of restarting the engine to REALLY save the plane and the passengers' lives is not easy, I guess.

A glider landing is not easy.

[denzal689]

what happened at 15:38?

[etcpool]

@Airflyer05Videos Thanks for the infos :)

[mcwolfus]

Iam suprised that a flight simulator would have any use here.

[s1462]

@etcpool because he is responsible for flying the plane and could have done a better job. did you not watch it?

[fattynutella]

muslim

[30inventionman]

39:49 Feather the prompts.

[30inventionman]

better get geico

[CFITOMAHAWK2]

Panic and Praying is better than flying and been a Real Pilot? They were Experienced in easy flying, not in their own Panic Control. Shame Chicken Pilots.

[h4hassan88]

Thanks for the upload!!

Everything is sad in this video and especially the way pilots are treated later on!! It's extremely sad for the victims but the pilots saved the remaining 22 people. The major victim is the mechanic and the system due to which it all happened but the victims are not solely because of the pilots. They did their best knowing that they got passengers and their own lives. They would have been thinking of dying instead of spending 10 years in jail :(

[blondecat666]

@Airflyer05Videos As far as I know, you have to have a flawless history, upload regularly videos of the same type of interest that people watch religiously. :-) Lots of likes also help, so I am always liking your vids.

[30inventionman]

@blondecat666 Don't put a fuel indicator 2250 ar on a smaller plane, b/c that is for it's sister bigger plane. This maintenance tevh smoking crack

[30inventionman]

@blondecat666 Always follow emergancy provedures, which pilot did not, he just prayed.

[ioannis21shum]

@Airflyer05Videos You're lucky:)

[0x56]

Thanks for the upload.