German Shepherds... From REAL German Shepherds to what we have today. SAD.

[tuengem]

I totaly agree. I have had the pleasure of having 8 "American" dogs. I see the differance..My "papered" dog was a desendent of Ch. "Lance of Fran-Jo" of the 60's and his back was perfect in 1990..

[Duneenzo]

The sooner all countries introduce the Breed Suitability test, the better. In Germany the progeny of unsuitable parents are worthless.

[iluvzanimals7]

I have a female gsd.. She is a west german show/working line with North American Show/working line.. She has a straight back and all in all is great! She has good looks (No crippleness) and great drive and work :D she is the best.. She costed $2,500. Her father was pure west german show/working and her mother was half west german and north american show/working. So my GSD Willow is mostly west German.. But only a bit North American.

[MrMoys13]

sorry man but you have no ideea of gsd...you put just some pictures together but I am sure you never participated on a competition in Europe. When you will raise your first litter according to german club rules, then you can have on opinion...

[CreekValleyCritters]

@MrMoys13 Except that no ethical, truely animal loving person would ever breed a GSD according to German or American GSD show or club rules. The GSD should be a beautiful, healthy, natural looking dog with an excellent mind, something the hyena look does not give you; a show dog just has to stand for the judge without flinching or biting so testing for temperament and brains is so marginal, people who are just breeding for a ribbon, barely register it, plus a narrow head is often encouraged.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@CreekValleyCritters

I absolutely agree with you. This guy here is a part of this dog abusing self indulgent machine so I am not surprised at all that he is defending it in such an irrational way. If you read what he is saying you can see that it is literally dripping with ignorance, intolerance and his mindless pursuit of using innocent dogs to get his "ribbon" at any cost. These kind of people are often insane enough to have convinced themselves that they are dog lovers.

[MrMoys13]

sorry man but you have no ideea of gsd...you put just some pictures together but I am sure you never participated on a competition in Europe. When you will raise your first litter according to german club rules, then you can have on opinion...

[MrMoys13]

sorry man but you have no ideea of gsd...you put just some pictures together but I am sure you never participated on a competition in Europe. When you will raise your first litter according to german club rules, then you can have on opinion...

[MrMoys13]

sorry man but you have no ideea of gsd...you put just some pictures together but I am sure you never participated on a competition in Europe. When you will raise your first litter according to german club rules, then you can have on opinion...

[MrMoys13]

sorry man but you have no ideea of gsd...you put just some pictures together but I am sure you never participated on a competition in Europe. When you will raise your first litter according to german club rules, then you can have on opinion...

[0899liam]

this is all just bullshit its evalution, the dog is a working breed that used alot of its power from its hind legs all day every day over time there body has just made there backs and legs more equiped for running all day, just like humans our apendix used to be way bigger than it is today but evulution has changed that because we no longer need it as much as there is no pain for the shepherd there is no difference its the way its born its now natural for the gsd to be bred like that

[MandyLionWWIII]

@0899liam

If you have watched (show dog variety) GSD's wobble around on their weak hind legs barely able to move and if you actually looked at the statistics on how much HD has increased over the years then you would not have posted such an ignorant response.

[MrMoys13]

@0899liam

Yes you have right! There are many people with free time and no clue about dogs and they just put some picture togheter to be famous

[MandyLionWWIII]

@MrMoys13

OK... I admit I was wrong in my first response to you... The truth is that NO amount of reading is ever going to teach you anything. You were born stupid and it got worse from there. PLEASE don't have children. The last thing this world needs is more half wits and that is all faulty DNA like yours is capable of producing. Have a nice life.

[MistyOjaiGirl]

Back in the old days they didn't pose the shit out of their dogs either. These days they just about put ginger up their asses to make them stand at attention. Breeds change , fashion changes, they used to cut boxers ears, now they don't. Get used to it.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@MistyOjaiGirl

Just because people "do" things does not make it all right.

Guess what...

People "do" fight dogs for "fun".

People "do" fight bulls for entertainment.

People "do" clobber baby seals to death and so on.

You just compared "fashion" to what is happening here. I don't give a shit what clothes you put on because no one is getting hurt by that. But if your "fashion" causes the breeding of dogs which are born with deformities which cause life long suffering THEN you crossed the line!

[homemadecandy]

We have a female GSD who has a tail end shaped more like that of the older breed dogs you show. Longer back legs and a straight back. We thought that was an imperfection but I guess it is a good thing after all. She is an older dog but still very active with no sign of any problems in the pelvis region.

[gsdandpoodlelover]

very interesting video............i have a german line showline, a yasko vom farbenspiel granddaughter, and i love her rich pigment. i spent $1,500 on her.......and she acts like a lab and not a gsd. i also have an american pet gsd, i think her dad was half showline.....her siblings sold for $4oo; my friend is letting me keep her in return for fostering her sister.....and my cheap american pet pup is displaying the true gsd temperament......my german lines girl is beautiful but not a guard dog.

[Morgaine1]

Man those roach backs give me the creeps, they look like freaks of nature. I am a proud owner of two "old fashioned" gsd!

[openalley]

umm. i dont get it. how do u change a breed so that the back is not straight anemore? and why would aneone think that crippled dogs are beautiful?

[urdgk222]

At my.work we got a pure breed German shepherd super friendly he is no American dog i love that dog.to death :)

[lovable9494]

Excuse me, but I have a rear end angled GSD...and there is nothing wrong with him what so ever. He is extremely healthy (runs with me 10miles everyday) and has OFA hips. While I do believe in breeding healthy dogs; rear end angulation has nothing to do with it. Not to mention it's more about what the dogs were breed for....German bloodlines were breed for herding and working; American bloodlines are were breed AND specifically ment for show, thus the more accentuated rear angulation.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@lovable9494

You dogshow people are pathetic. Angulation has EVERYTHING to do with the destruction of the GSD. Your lies / denial about this being a problem exposes you as someone who doesn't give a damn about the GSD including your own dog. The fact that you cannot grasp the fact that a doggie beauty pageant is insanity and has zero merit for the DOG is disturbing. The difference in power, endurance and overall health in a straight backed GSD is staggering when compared to a showdog cripple.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@lovable9494

But as soon as you would admit to what is undeniable truth you would have to give up your precious and pathetic hobby of collecting worthless ribbons to hang on your wall to impress your equally moronic neighbors.

Dog shows are not for dogs. Dogshows are for PEOPLE. Dogs hate being powdered, perfumed, gawked and poked at by strangers. They put up with it to please their pimp owners but the truth is that they would rather play on a field somewhere away from this insanity.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@lovable9494

You will never admit to this but the truth is that YOU are the reason why not only GSDs but in fact ALL AKC and Kennel club show victims are suffering. You are supporting the breeding of cripples. The pain you people cause is often worse than what is being found in dog fighting pits all over the world. The difference is that when a dog fighter inflicts pain and is found out they get punished. YOU people get to inflict a lifetime of pain and you get rewarded with ribbons!

[Tvaxquivax]

unfortunately a gs of a friend of mine got babies fomr some dog on the streets and i got one of the babies, whille the dog is smaller thana gs would be, it really protects my house, even ym weimarener protects is, but i can still hear my half GS lurking arround the house and barking at 3am, love it.

after looking a lot, i'll be buying a german dog to protec my mon, who stays on ym house a lot while im at college

and btw sorry for my Englsih.

all the best.

[smartalek65]

That 1941 German champ looked like my GSD, Thor.

[katovomkozies]

The AKC needs to stay the F away from the GSD. They are killing this breed

[MandyLionWWIII]

@katovomkozies

It is not just the GSD. We need to be concerned about ALL of the breeds who are being destroyed by this organization.

[pamelala95]

My mother is from Berlin and was shocked when she came to this country in 1962 and saw what was happening with the breed. You show here that this was happening in Germany, too, but honestly every time I've been there I notice a marked difference in the dogs there (straighter backs, smaller size, smaller ears). Maybe it's different among show dogs. I loathe what we do to breeds and applaud you exposing this crippling. It's simply wrong, not in the spirit of stewardship of these animals.

[Reptornicus]

Finaly someone who show this. Look like iam not alone in this i was atacked and insulted by many ´´people´´ from many forums beacouse i critizie this maybe you hear about me anyway i give you support hope it will change something .:)

[orangcurl]

The only way to presurve the GSD is to only buy and breed working lines. Working lines are very high in drive ,particually european lines,so they need lots of commitment,work and play. But they well worth the work.

[Holomatchi]

In eastern europe and in germany they are now breeding gsd´s with more straighter back, bigger bodies and bigger heads. So I hope in the future the show breed will be totally replaced with the working breed lines

[surfnchk]

German Sheperds are my absolute favorite breed! I have seen "real" German Shepherds but on very rare occassions. This is a beautiful breed and needs to be protected. With any species though breeding for "looks" is wrong and inhuman. Look at the parot chichlid....it suffers as well. The Golden Retriever is another breed of canine that has been breed in masses due to demand but at what cost?! Thank you for posting this video and I will support in fighting with you on this!

[unrulycarrot]

My family has now owned German shepherds for about 70 years. I have a photo of my father at 6 months of age ( he's currently 65 ) with his hand in the mouth of one one of my grandmother's dogs ( she had them for 50 years ). My current bitch from " working lines " doesn't have much of a slope to her back and has had no health problems. Her weight is 31kgs. During the 80's we had a top bitch that weighed in around 40-45kg's. My current bitch WILL be the last shepherd my family own. Just sad.

[unrulycarrot]

My family has now owned German shepherds for about 70 years. I have a photo of my father at about 6 months of age ( he's currently 65 ) with his hand in the mouth of one one of my grandmother's dogs ( she had them for 50 years ). My current bitch from " working lines " doesn't have much of a slope to her back and has had no health problems. Her weight is 31kgs. During the 80's we had a top bitch that weighed in around 40-45kg's. My current bitch WILL be the last shepherd my family own.

[mrsdn1234]

Have a beautiful LC GSD who was imported from Germany 11 yrs ago. She has DM, degenerative myelopathy - sort of MS in the dog world. Her back end is failing and it is such a sad time for her. Her heart is still as big as ever but her body is failing. I love this breed - she is the 4th in my life. Don't know about getting another one...

Thank you for this very informative video.

[Jatt1998]

ALL U GUYS WHO HAVE OLD FASHIONED GERMAN SHEPHERDS, U GUYS SHOULD BREED THEM AND BRING UP THE POPULATION OF A REAL GERMAN SHEPHERD BACK. ITS SAD WHAT PEOPLE DO JUST FOR MONEY, LIKE MESS UP THE BREED. THERE'S A VID ON YOUTUBE TYPE THIS IN HALF DOG AND HALF FROG

[Jatt1998]

ALL U GUYS WHO HAVE OLD FASHIONED GERMAN SHEPHERDS, U GUYS SHOULD BREED THEM AND BRING UP THE POPULATION OF A REAL GERMAN SHEPHERD BACK. ITS SAD WHAT PEOPLE DO JUST FOR MONEY, LIKE MESS UP THE BREED. THERE'S A VID ON YOUTUBE TYPE THIS IN HALF DOG AND HALF FROG

[tommywilkerson]

I agree that the breed is being destroyed. It started with good intention but has gone to far. I'm lucky enough to own an "Old School' American GSD. He's tall 28" @ withers, straight back and smallish head compared to others in the area. A family member has been breeding and training GSD's for 30 yrs in Germany. She considers my dog trash.

Should I breeding him? I thought about it but evry time I see an SPCA comercial I change my mind.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@tommywilkerson

I think you should breed your dog. We need more healthy and functional dogs my friend.

[DebbieDavidson06]

@tommywilkerson sad that your family member feels that way. Just for the record: no dog is ever trash. Your pet, I'm sure, is a wonderful companion. Enjoy him!

[magicalcrazyness]

@tommywilkerson If you title and health test your dog, then I'd say yes.

[supaflyz]

Most of the dogs look like they had slanted back. THey don't look capable of doing many activities. GSD are also prone to hip displaysia. All these hunch backs going make the body structure even worse. Luckily mine is not like this. I also notice from looking at pictures that Eastern German Shepherd have a much better body structure.

[supaflyz]

My uncle gave me a very good dog because she kept on barking. The neighbors were complaining so he had to give her to me. She's a very sweet girl. His son bought her for several thousand. So when I went to get my teeth check at his office, he ask me how was the dog. I told him she was great. He told me that she's not like the other dog which have slanted back. Her back is more straight. When I first got her home. I thought it was strange that my dog didnt look like the expensive GSD.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@supaflyz

Straight up you got a better dog. Who cares what fashion is in right now. A healthy and functional dog is always more beautiful.

[NyaahNatrix]

what an awesome dog this once was. they look like cripples now..

[NEBESHIKU]

@NyaahNatrix They don't look, they are! None of them can do the job they were created to do! Such a shame!

[hrzan]

@NEBESHIKU Max von Stepanich,the creator of a GSD said:"GSD's r working dogs.Please keep them that way as that was my life time struglle..."

[mgbrawl]

Excellent video, you are bringing awareness to a worthy cause, which will only help to improve working dogs for people, and better quality of life for dogs.

[BardicSp00n]

Poor things... How can they justify doing this to these animals. Whats the point of a dog meant for highly athletic work that cant even walk straight.

[crazy4horses11]

I have a GSD but he is like the one of 2:22.

This is so sad, poor GSD.

[siamesecats334]

best dogs

[leadandbrass1]

omg so dame slow

[SookyRottweiler]

I watched the documentary Pedigree Dogs Exposed yesterday and thought that was a very british attitude, influenced by the nobility.

We know how marriage works in nobility (or how it worked until recently, if it changed); Nobles must marry other nobles. The bloodline above all, personal happiness doesnt' matter. Cousin-to-cousin marriages from generation to another.

With all due respect to nobles, how can we expect them to treat their dogs any better than they treat themselves?

[tackcatta]

I hate that whole leg placement thing they do with them... its like, "oh look my dog is in a heroic pose but yeah, his legs don't work". :\

[Diopriest2]

Don't pay any attention to these illiterate bastards Mandy. They are morons insulting you for actually trying to take a stand and do something. Maybe if you haters on here took a look at the great person Mandy is you'd learn a thing or two. He is very caring towards animals. Dogs in particular. For those people hurling insults at Mandy fuck off !

[thehomefront]

could you please tell me what measures your taking to stop this cruelty?

[MandyLionWWIII]

@thehomefront

Answered your private message

[mschuette88]

@MandyLionWWIII

Hi ManyLionWIII. Great Video. I am looking to get GS in the U.K, more specifically London. How do I check to make sure that the breeders haven't gone to astray and that the dogs are more natural and healthy rather than bread to have sharp steep backs (show dogs) etc?? Do you by any chance know of any breeders in London that offer healthy and greatly breed GS??

[thehomefront]

why are you putting happy music to something sad, you asshole

[MandyLionWWIII]

@thehomefront

Before you call someone a name you should read what I said about what is going on here.

I am ACTIVELY trying to stop this insanity from happening by fighting the kennel club and the AKC.

I put this video up to alarm people and get more people to stand up for man's best friend.

And you are attacking me for the music in the background?

What are YOU doing to make this atrocity stop? What are YOU doing to help?

Other than getting mad at someone who's actually doing something?

[puggychu]

The solution is simple. Supply & demand.

Stop buying these dogs and the breeders will not keep producing them.

[NoraHaidar]

@puggychu nice way of putting it man :)

[PIECE2YOURMOTHA]

Seriously guys, we have to do something to save dog breeds! it's disgusting how breeders (retards) are willing to sacrifice a beautiful animal for a stupid ribbon! Did you know white German shepherds are "culled" other words put down, just because their white. WTF! apparently their defected! FUCK YOU KENNEL CLUB!

[Antondsh]

I think you should form a group on facebook or something with a list of acceptable breeders for each individual breed.

I loved this video for its honesty, I have been spreading the word in my local area about this for a while (my dad turned me onto it a while back).

I am glad to see I am not the only one out there with this opinion.

[Maialeen]

Ugh, this totally reminded me of when I saw a guy in my neighborhood walking his GSD. It was a few weeks ago, and the dog looked pathetic. His back legs were barely functioning, they were wobbly. It was horrible to see.

[wissunbwissun]

Thanks for putting together this video! It is extremely sad to see the denegration of this noble breed. Thankfully the two GSD's I've adopted at our local shelter have been of the "old" type....they are still out there for those of us who aren't into the breed for the big, fake show ring.

[JZSNtelpy]

I have a female Belgian Malinois and she has very straight back and no health problems.

[ASDogGeek]

thank you for making this video. I own a White German Shepherd with a straight topline. It is so sad to see the destruction of out beautiful German Shepherd dogs! Max Voe could see Shtephen Shtephenitz (spelt it wrong) would cry if he could see what we have done to his precocious breed! I refuse to buy a GSD with a sloping toplinee. There are a few breeders who kept to the original standards but they are rare and hard to find!

[ASDogGeek]

Thank you for makinking this video it is really sad to see the destruction of our magnificent German Shepherd Dogs Max Von Shtenshintz (spelt it wrong) would cry if he were to see what has happened to his beuatyful breed! I refuse to buy shepherds with the sloping back there are a few breeders who have kept the original standards but they are hard to find!

[ReinaEquina]

My mom got out of shepherds for this very reason, she hated what was being done to the breed and didnt want to be a part of it, and when showers didnt like what she was producing (a none extreme animal) then she stuck to what she believed in a just stopped breeding; she much rather have a healthy dog and represent what shepherds she knew and love, then the wobbly frog legged shepherds we see today. We just recently got a shepherd that isnt the typical wobble legged dog, but is an amazing dog.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@ReinaEquina

I wish more breeders were like your mother. I applaud her for standing her ground and producing magnificent TRUE GSD's

[ReinaEquina]

@MandyLionWWIII

I just wish that the AKC wasnt a beauty contest. I honestly wish that dog shows were based on what the animals working ability is; like how border collies use to be where they werent judged on what they looked like to be a border collie, but how they performed.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@ReinaEquina

Of course! That right there would solve the problem.

Only a healthy animal can be a working animal. Plus a working dog is a much happier dog to begin with.

If we would include performance tests in these silly beauty pageants then we would all win in the end...

A healthy dog can work... A working dog is happy and a happy dog is beautiful.

[ReinaEquina]

@MandyLionWWIII

Exactly! It would be like three day eventing, except for dogs and it would be aimed towards what they are bred to do. ^^ Hmmm perhaps we should start this? LOL!

[MandyLionWWIII]

@ReinaEquina

You know... In some countries like Germany for example they already include performance in a dog becoming a champion.

I would love to see that happening in the US.

[ReinaEquina]

@MandyLionWWIII

Exactly! I mean its like your changing the dog for what purpose? Away from what its bred to do; you should better the breed for what its ment to do not for beauty pagents.

[MandyLionWWIII]

@ReinaEquina

I agree...

What amazes me is how these people try to explain the purpose of these exaggerated features.

For example:

Bulldog breeders love to tell people that the extreme undershot jaw enables the dog to breathe when he hangs on to the bulls face.

So a dog that has trouble breathing lying on your couch magically becomes a good breather as soon as you attach a 2000 pound bull to it's mouth?

These people are destroying the health of man's best friend and insult our intelligence

[ReinaEquina]

@MandyLionWWIII

I KNOW! Its like the olden day bull dogs did have a slanted back nose to that they can breathe, BUT THEY HAD A NON SQUASHED FACE!!!! I hate it when people take things to the extremes; extremes to me are not good.

[Raegh]

How can a dog with a back like this even walk straight? I've seen the BBC documentation and how the dogs wobbled around. This clearly shows that something's not right with them. Even though my mother once told me that it was forbidden here in Austria to breed the GSD with a roached back like this, I don't quite believe it when I take a look at the websites of some dog breeders. It really is sad how people can ruin a breed like this.

[kamora2001]

its the different ways the dogs are showed / stanced , not a change in the dof it self, ur a fucvkin idiot whoever posted this video

[MandyLionWWIII]

I could give you a spanking here but seeing how you spell like a 4 year old there is nothing I could say to discredit your silly insults more than anyone who see's how uneducated you are.

You are an illiterate moron who has no clue about dogs, GSD's in particular and my guess is life as well...

For everyone else...

This guy here is the reason why birth control pills where invented. This sister dating idiot could have been avoided with a gulp of water and a little pill. Too bad...

[MandyLionWWIII]

Wow! You are 35 years?????????????????!!!!

Judging from your responses I would have thought you are a retarded 15 year old.

My GOD!

Go back to school and learn something! Jesus Christ you are pathetic.

[kamora2001]

this is the most stupid video i have aver scene,all ur pictures have to do with what stance the dog is in , fuck off, you fuckin fool

[MandyLionWWIII]

It is not just the stance. It is the dogs. Look at the old pictures versus the old ones. In fact.. I am in contact with many GSD breeders and behind closed doors they admit that there is no future for the dogs if they continue on this way.

[acura06pearl]

ive got a German shepherd that looks like the 40's and 50's type german bloodlines

[1605Will]

Have you looked into Eastern bloc GSDs? I know of a sable coloured one who would probably do well 50yrs ago. Very big head, and about 4-5 inches too tall for todays standard

[1605Will]

Thanks Mandy, for the time you put into this.

I recently bought a GSD puppy, put a lot of time into finding the correct breeder for hip score etc.

Although she is not good at herding (I am a farmer) she has the natural guarding instinct and even at 8 months old, she almost keeps up with the little sheepdogs, mostly collies and kelpies and a half bred.

[jmrapley]

Well, what a lot of ignorant comments here. Inbred dogs, attacking owners. What a lot of crap. Reputable breeders research lines very closely to ensure that there is no inbreeding and as much as the hysteria reflects, hip dysplasia these days has been minimalised. Personally, the modern shepherds with their angular croups are much more attractive than the older straight backs and again this does not shorten their lives at all or promote hd. How do I know? I've owned plenty of them.

[MandyLionWWIII]

The roached back is not only unattractive but we have MUCH higher incidents of HD than ever before with the GSD.

To me a dog that is a GSD in the front and a dachshund in the back just looks sad.

Obviously the GSD NEVER used to look like this when they were actually used for herding. The reason is simple. A dog that has to herd has to be able to move all day long. Modern GSDs are but a sad and pathetic shadow of a once great and noble breed. Thanks to mankind's ever changing whim...

[jogacalcioR7]

my dog is a female German Shepherd and she was exported

she is now 4 and a half months she is 1 foot 10 inches

is that normal because she is very big and has a heavy coat she has a very huge head

[vendeda01]

well MY GSD is from a ORIGINAL blood line and look's more like the 40's- Early 50's blood line he's perfect in every way unlike the GDS's now days

[Luvbuzz9583]

It is sad.

I think that all GSD breeders NEED to start reverting their lines back to the standard look of the 40's & 50's.

Btw, if you wanna see some REALLY poor looking GSDs, google Covy-Tucker Hill Kennel. They are praised for their stock & accomplishments in the show ring but... I personally think their dogs look horrid. Long, roached backs, "snippy" muzzles and weak pigmentation on the head and body.

Very angular conformation.

Just horrible.

I want a GS that's sterdy.

[12345675677]

i live in britain and the straight back G.S.D. is still going strong here it only seems to be exhibitor who have these roach-back monstrosities at the moment ! people need to stop buying puppies from show breeder's perhaps they'll stop breeding the crippled show type and get back to making the G.S.D. the great breed it once was and still is in the straight back type !

[suthernhilljack]

were ther the large breed sheps in the 40's and 50's????

[islandponies]

I wanted to get a GSD having had one years ago that was a marvelous dog. But when I looked at some breeders' websites and saw how deformed the poor creatures look now I was disgusted. I am keeping an eye out on Petfinder for a German Shepherd mix to adopt instead of buying a GSD puppy.

[GBTop1]

This is just so SAD!

The proud, handsome German Shepherd Dog being transformed into something that is just not meant to be.Some breeders have created a problem with say 'hip displacement'.

Fortunately, here in the U.K. we still have some REPUTABLE breeders who know what the 'working' German Shepherd should be like.

My Shepherds always looked good, were fit and agile.Some of the Shepherd in the video don't look like they could even run properly, and won't last many years.

Graham in UK

[jmdnarri]

I love that people are speaking out about incorrect breeding winning at shows.

I recently did some research before buying my GSD. I found both straight and roached backs in both american and german breeding. There are A LOT of dogs showing out there manny from both countries are correct. I ended up getting a pup of german and american crossing, but all his lines are proven in working, not showing. There are no roached backs in his pedigree.

[bd189]

i've heard about pure breds being more likely to attack owners in a cookoo moment rather than muts due to breeders inbreeding. we had an english springer spaniel that was possibly inbred since he attacked my dad while we were picking up trash trying to gut my dad, then less than a minute later the dog was all lovy dovey. the animal control person said it was a type of siezure with the sudden mood swing that dogs can have if they are inbred.

[inotaishu1]

Really said, however, there is still hope. I have a picture of my dog and although only her mother is a german shepherd she looks extremely like a shepherd from a working line and many of those dogs e.g. have much straighter backs and a lighter build. Also different colours are more common among them.

[DinaStrange]

i HATE it.

[arp666]

watch part one of pedigree dogs exposed, watch the show Shepard's walking. There is NO way that is correct or better. Pictures don't really show you how horrible this deformed trend is. Watch these dogs move, it makes you sick. These dogs walk like they have been badly injured.

[MandyLionWWIII]

Exactly... You would not believe how many breeders have attacked me here telling me that I am wrong about this. I happen to be an expert on dogs but one does not have to be an expert to see a dog that has lost it's ability to do what it was originally intended to do. A herding dog MUST be athletic, strong and quick. Can you even try to imagine a modern show dog GSD trying to control a herd of sheep for even 10 minutes...? There is no way these poor dogs could do that anymore. So sad...

[arp666]

No way I can barely stand imagine those poor GSD's walking a block. I knew show dogs and pure breds had genetic problems but I had never seen what's being done to the GSD breed. I know when I think of a GSD I think stong, fast, and very smart. Nothing like those show dogs, I HATE to say it but those dogs in pedgiree dogs exposed look like they need to be put to sleep to stop the pain they look like they are in.

[MandyLionWWIII]

I know what you mean... What freaks me out is people like that guy csmhm 2 posts below who argued with me saying that it is OK to do that to these poor animals. When I was a child GSDs were a completely different breed altogether. What we have today are sad shadows of a once great past. Unfortunately GSDs are not the only breed with huge problems. This is why I posted the entire Pedigree Dogs Exposed video series. People need to see this and stop buying sick dogs. Thank you for understanding

[ralph00777]

there is a big difference from today to yesterday.I was looking to buy a GHD and saw how ridiculous they look now ..look nothing like the one s I use to own years back..

[Xepherya]

GSDs were never a large dog :-p They've always been medium sized...they're actually larger now (taller) than before, with males exceeding 27 in the American lines (I'm seeing 27 and 28" boys, and 25-26 inch girls!).

Extremes are bad in both venues, but don't let camera angles fool you. The GSD has never been a huge breed, and anybody who says so is a fool

[MandyLionWWIII]

No one ever said that GSDs were huge dogs.

All that is being said here is that they used to be larger than they are now. I know this because I was actually raised in Germany around the real deal.

Most novices like you think "tall" means large.  Large means more than height... It means mass as well. Old type GSDs were healthier, more athletic, had bigger bone and had a straight back in order to be structurally sound.

People consider GSDs large because truly large breeds are relatively rare.

[Xepherya]

I find it hilarious you call me a novice, considering I show them :-p

Healthier they most certainly were, and they had "Decent" bone, but look at Horand and he certainly wasn't big boned. He wasn't a large dog at all.

And people often misuse the word straight...what they really mean is horizontal. My American dog has a straight back, but it's not horizontal when I stack him.

BTW he reason they look like "Frogs" in the back is the differences in the standard. GSDCA says 90 degrees, SV 120

[MandyLionWWIII]

Yes... I call you a novice because I was an expert in dogs, dog training and dog history since long before you were an itch in your daddy's pants. I have been into dogs and everything about them since the age of 6. I spent my entire life traveling the world because of my touring schedule and never miss an opportunity to learn more. No offense but I have cats older than you sweetie...

[MandyLionWWIII]

But I do understand that everyone your age thinks they know everything. I used to be just as silly when I was your age. At some point I grew up just as you will I am sure.

You, spout out the same phrases everyone who is involved in showing dogs... Trying to impress with show dog lingo... Not working on me sweetie... Try that on someone who doesn't know better...

[MandyLionWWIII]

You quote the breed standard which is nothing but a piece of paper which states a bunch of people's opinions on what THEY think a dog should look like.

If this OPINION causes health problems then we NEED to change it. Anything less is stupid and cruel. I am sure those of us who actually LOVE out dogs will agree. Those who need a show pony will never agree because owning a "winner" is more important to you and the rest of those kinds of people than a healthy and happy dog.

[MandyLionWWIII]

You are very obviously brainwashed by your dog beauty pageant community and I am not even trying to convince you otherwise. I see this condition has affected all of the AKC breeders and their misinformed followers.

I am not arguing with you... You are young... Naive... And very much under the influence of those who have "conditioned" you how to think about dogs. You are unfortunately not the exception but the rule in the dog show community.

Good luck kiddo.

[Xepherya]

Oh, and "tall" was only used as an example of "larger". The mass you refer to is substance of the dog.

Some people refer to it as depth, though I've seen a deep dog that lacks substance.

[MandyLionWWIII]

If the biggest dogs people see all over the place are Rottweilers and GSDs then they think these dogs are big. Of course there are breeds which dwarf these dogs but they are not nearly as common.

The whole purpose of this video is to show people how different the GSD looks today. No one has ever come up with an explanation as to why today's GSDs are dogs in the front and frogs in the back. The increase in HD is alarming to say the least. This is do to this ridiculous and quite frankly UGLY slant

[bloodz4l519]

people are messing up all kinds of breeds of animals,birds and even fish!i dont think that is attrackive at all!! i got a sheapard and hez one of the old school dogs, strieght back.

[FenrirKar]

Wow...truthfully, I didn't know any better. I'm no enthusiast dog breeder or anything, but I do love my own dog dearly...I've seen the very odd slopes of the hindquarters while flicking past dog shows on television, but I'd assumed that was 'natural' for them...I know better now, I suppose. Alas, artificial selection at it's worst. Perhaps some good, old fashion Darwinian based selection now would be helpful (select for healthiness and things, as you've suggested)?

[OneDragonmaster]

The immense slope-backed dogs in motion look like their posture is because they are paranoid about their anal virginity.

It... doesn't look all that graceful to me.

[templeorder]

Wow... no wonder they have so many more hip problems now. The back end of the current dogs has a deep slope and appears smaller. I love dogs and cats of all kind... but the breeding i the US means i only by mongrels and mixes. I want my pets to live long and strong, and the 'bred' animals just dont look or act with as much vitality on average.

[alphadingo04]

I'm a German dogtrainer. I crossed my Saarloos Wolfdog bitch with an Old German Sheepdog.The result is a dog that looks like German Shepherds 100 years ago.You can watch my dogs working in You tube.Ask for "Old German Sheepdog tending sheep". If you are interested in the ancestors of GSD,you can see some photos of Old German Sheepdogs on my homepage galerie (in German) "Hundeschule Leder"

[MandyLionWWIII]

Just look at the AKC bulldog... I have a video about the bulldog on here as well...

If you want to get a GSD find a breeder that is not interested in producing AKC champions. Find a breeder that has actual "working" lines with straight backs and strong hind legs.

If you don't know where to look I will help you...

Good luck.

[jillpaige]

MandyLion,

Yes, if you could help me find a breeder I would be very grateful. I live in Texas, the Dallas area. I love GSDs. As a child my father who is now deceased trained them as a police officer. They are the greatest dog in my opinion. Is it better to get a puppy rather than an adult or does it matter?

[MandyLionWWIII]

You can see if you look at the pictures that this is NOT just how the dogs are standing.

Look at the GSDs of old and see how differently they are built. a herding dog has to be able to run all day long in order to keep all of the sheep together. When you see how wobbly and weak the current AKC champion is on his hind legs you will see that it would be impossible for that dog to perform as a herding dog.

The inhumane practice of breeding cripples has become the norm these days.

[jillpaige]

How did they breed them that way? Are you sure it is not just the way they are standing? If they are really being bred to slope like that, that is so cruel for the dog. I am looking to get a GSD and don't know where to start

[Retrieverman1]

Can you tell me the function of the sloping back and extreme angulation in the hindquarters?

I can't think of any, unless you want a dog that walks strangely and in a lot of pain.

May I post this in my blog, because I have issues with all of this "breeding" for stupid purposes.

[MandyLionWWIII]

There is absolutely no reason for the slope. It serves no purpose other than pleasing a perverse breeder or judge. In fact... This is the reason why 75 percent of all AKC champion GSDs have mild to severe HD! While mild HD often doesn't show until late in the dog's life it is still going to perpetuate itself in all the future dogs produced.

Please do spread the word.

[Krisiftw]

Grr :(

[csmhm0]

I can appreciate the Model T ford, but I'd rather drive new Mustang GT 500 - why you ask. Because it is much better transportation. MandyLion does not have a clue what a german shepherd should or shouldn't be - and purports nothing but lies here. I will use one fact to illustrate the falsehoods. The GSD used to be in the top three for HD issues. It is now close to 40th(check the OFA site). Another very experienced breeder and I are working on a power point for GSD structure,will post l8r

[MandyLionWWIII]

Everyone... This here is a breeder of German Shepherds.

OF COURSE he is going to say that. Anyone who has any doubt about what is said in this video go and watch a documentary called "Pedigree Dogs Exposed" here on youtube and you will see the facts documented by vets, dog historians and experts. If you trust a breeder's word on a dogs health over a vet then it is like trusting a used car sales man over your friend who happens to be a mechanic when assessing a car motors condition. Common sense

[MandyLionWWIII]

The car sales man is trying to get your cash and your mechanic friend is trying to help you get a good car...

When money is involved people do things which are very much less than honorable.

Anyone who wants to find out about the true condition of the modern GSD can and should do their own research.

Remember...

I have NOTHING to gain here by putting up this video...

This breeder is trying to get your money so anyone trying to raise awareness of the GSD's genetic faults is a thorn in his side.

[tunagirll]

What is the point of being free of HD if the dog can't use itself thanks to weak and wobbly hocks and an ataxic gait? There is more to conformation and correct type for a WORKING DOG than Xrays!

[MandyLionWWIII]

I agree with you 100 percent. Thank you.

[Pissedofufah]

Were you very experienced, you would learn to use proper grammar. Also: It's people like YOU who are breaking down the very fiber of all things healthy in this world.

I've seen the documentaries on Discovery Channel, and Animal Planet, and even in papers. I know for a fact that dogs are becoming "crippled" because of you stupid breeders. I happen to be a therian of canine nature, and it is very hurtful to view the continuance of this blasphemy. Think about the animals... They're not toys...