How to Get That Big Rock Drum Sound: Part 2- Mic Position

[vasoundengineer]

I am a live sound engineer go to love all these amateurs posting see they know it all cant take advice from a professional .. He is right it take at lest 6 to 8 microphones to mic the drums to get a nice sound and tones and it deponds on the size of the kit how many mics you would use and in recording stedios have to use many mics to get the best sound bands paying the studio lots of money for a great recording .. I dont understand why amateurs bands would not take a professioals advice

[Barthoogvliet]

Your video's are really helpfull !

[skystars1]

Drumming and mic add nausia this is sooo stupid.

So does this guy blow up at the end of his jam?

Looks more like a spinal tap rerun geez!

Oh wait he had two mics up his butt so he

can record the butt bongo rythem in stereo

[zatliani]

shut up and play something! why the same pictures and talking like in part 1?

[tamalexis]

Big rock sound ?

A nice room and 1 or two good mics ,

maybe ribbons !

[justinsokoloski]

for all we know those drums could sound terrible and all that setup advice could be crap haha he never played the drums that would be funny if he was the janitor and everybody was on break when he made this lol

[muroic]

crap!

[TheGardenNoam]

Don't compress room mics, that's killing the point of having room mics. Compression is like panning but from closer to further from the listeners point of view instead of left to right. If you have ten close mics why would you want a room mic only to destroy its sonic purpose of adding a different flavor with compression? Leave the rooms natural, they supply the reverb of the room that you don't get when close micing.

[snapascrew]

@TheGardenNoam so many great sounding drum sounds have compressed rooms. i disagree. but w/e works for you.

[eRealist]

nice eyebrows... SYKEEEEEEEEE

[wickedsquidprod]

I love how this guy nonchalantly moves mics around after "placing" them. What a freakin hack!

[ralfineable]

Thank you! I really appriciate people talking about their work. Keep on making quality videos.

[nachonal1]

thats like 6K on mics alone...

[xobobox]

is there a third part where we get to hear these drums?

[NouveauNick]

Oh what? You mean there isn't a seperate mic for the bell, lip and edge of the cymbal?

What a half assed job.

[jffryalford]

They have 1666 videos guys. Im sure one of them has someone playing drums wiith a set up pretty much exactly like this. haha

[yankeeredneck2]

I am confused as to the positioning of the kit....... Why is the rack headed away from the floors in relation to the snare? I don't know very many drummers that like that setup....

[pickles2495]

@yankeeredneck2 dude, do you play drums at all or are you just some poser. that is actually a quite common setup. mine are like that. its mainly if you want a lower placed tom with less tilt. i think its best that way. js

[yankeeredneck2]

@pickles2495 I actually do play and a similar set-up... Actually I have a vistalite re-issue. I just like the rack tom flowing towards the floor toms in relation to the snare. Saves distance. What's with the poser comment? You sensitive?

[BRAden021]

what if we dont have 30 mics to put on each drum???



[skistar70]

@BRAden021 exactly! i was like damn i want to record and i'm not sponsored by guitar center to put 3 mics on my snare jeez

[matahimdef]

Old Chucky

[MrSnarey]

Hit the Mother

[nickers18]

What if you dont have a bajillion dollars for mics?

[Anodyne2010]

Is there a mixer or control surface that anyone would recommend where i can mix each drum individually after they have already been recorded?

I am running Pro Tools LE 8

[iangehringer]

Whats it sound like?

[pipedelic]

you talk too much.... but, how it sound ?????

[1mikeditto]

@pipedelic no he is giving you alot of info

[cjsprrw]

@pipedelic have you ever heard a decent representation of a sound recording that is being streamed over youtube? No? I didn't think so. This guy is telling us about his mics and recording techniques. If you wanna hear it why don't you go and buy some stuff he's recorded,

[CesarAvilaTv]

@pipedelic U go and test it!!!

[JBATahoe]

Are the K2's set to omni? Cardioid? Somewhere in between?

[shanekerchen]

@JBATahoe

Cadioid, omni on a tom or any drum is bad news haha

[obiwan177]

@dannycurtean No, physics never change. If you have them far enough apart then the phasing effect is diminished to the point where you cannot hear it at all , and instead becomes the opposite, reinforcing the sound.

[OneManBandMusic]

sorry for my bad english

why some studios have their room-mics up high?

greetings

[Collusive]

Really appreciate the information on general positioning. If you have a really dry or really small room, how would yo compensate for not having the room mics to capture ambience? The natural delay effect is what you go for, right? Please advise!

Peace

[crackshotnoodles]

if im doing live sound and the durmmer is using a floor tom and 2 toms i like to pan the two toms at 10 o clock and 3 o clock and leave the floor tom centre panned, then pan each overhead hard left and hard right

[MarkusGronroos]

thats a 15" hi-hat?

[rakoro]

how are you avoiding phase on those three overheads?

i guess they are just hypercardiod mics, pointed straight down to avoid capturing the same sounds?

[Scarecrow545]

Most likely. If you dont have the same setup but are having phase problems, id suggest the recorderman technique, or Glyn Johns technique if you have snare and bass mics

[ariesram74]

those are condensers... he explains reducing phase issues in another video

[0001lj]

@rakoro

The phaseing is advoided on the overhead as they are all more than 30cm's apart. There too far away to phase.

[madmuso5]

@rakoro To avoid phase cancellation of the overheads setup your overheads with the 3 to 1 rule in mind. This goes for anything really. For example, say you were recording an acoustic guitar with two microphones, one pointed at one side of the sound hole and the other on the otherside. If both these mics are 20 centimeters away from the guitar, then the minimum distance between the two microphones themselves should be 60 centimteres.

[TheDrewboyuk]

@stocksandshares You normally pan the kit as if you was looking at it from the front so the first tom would be panned a little right moving round to the floor which obviously would be a panned abit left. Same with overheads to give you a stereo mix. Hope this helps.

[pdpdrums195]

would threre be any phase problems if put two mics so close

together

[crackshotnoodles]

get 2 stands! you would pick up two for less than 20 quid....

[eichabando18]

yeah thanks dude it helps,, thanks for the tip,, im eich from philippine and im working at pro777 recording studio as sound engineer.. thanks men!!

[emblem8888]

Thanks Man - Very Helpful!