Banning the expression of someone else's beliefs is worlds different than just holding an opposing viewpoint ... And I don't think it's inconsistent for someone who doesn't support gay couples marrying (on religious or other grounds) to also oppose amendments banning it. America is supposed to be land of the free right? Why shouldn't gays, gay friendly supporters, priests, etc. be able to have and exercise their beliefs too? Ate they not citizens?
One can see that Nation For Bigots aka Nation For Marriage aka NOM is still posting one hate video after another. At least when this hate group shuts down when the big money people realize that the battle is lost, its members will be able to find a compatible home in the Ku Klux Klan.
2011 statewide survey, released Thursday, showed 47 percent of those polled do not support amending Minnesota's constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman. It found 44 percent support the proposal, and 9 percent were undecided or refused to answer.
Black people, of all people, should not oppose equality. And that is what gay marriage represents. It does not matter the rationale -- religious, cultural, pseudo-scientific. No people of goodwill should oppose marriage equality. And they should not think that civil unions are a substitute. At best, civil unions are separate but equal. And we all know separate is never equal.
"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King, Jr., said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere' ... I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."
Put bigotry on the ballot, and it will win every time. Few things are harder for people to resist than an opportunity to deprive others of what they themselves are free to take for granted.
If racial integration and women's suffrage had been left up to "the people" in previous decades, we'd still have "restricted" neighborhoods, "colored only" drinking fountains, and a nonvoting female population.
Minnesota will be the first state to not vote for this. Our legislature has failed us by even allowing this stupid question on the ballot. How dare I or you vote on a right of a minority group? What the hell...
Fucking A, this is the stupidest commercial. Why won't you sorry fucks worry about yourselves....I'm sure you have enough problems to worry about with Judgement Day coming and all.....
@NationForMarriage hey nom im going to start campain to let us vote on your marriage, since you want vote on someonelse marriage, let us vote on yours
I have no problem with civil unions and benefits for all -- the gays have as much a right to legal considerations as straight people do. But it would mock God for them to 'marry' in a sacramental sense in a church, and no priest or minister that obeys Him would ever 'marry' a same-gender 'couple' in a church.
Abortion is a far worse problem than this, as is the economy.. as is political polarization. It is possible to be a Christian and a Democrat, or a Republican who does not believe in God.
@NewHopeNashFan "But it would mock God for them to 'marry' in a sacramental sense in a church"
Except........this is not a rational point. Your church couldn't be forced to marry gays any more than it could be forced to marry atheists or Buddhists.
You have created the failure of your argument in your own comment. "no priest or minister that obeys Him would ever"........some believe a woman who wears pants is unfit for marriage, some believe your faith is a total load of bull.....who decides?
Why doesn't NOM do something about the adultery and divorce which is rampant among heterosexuals? Putting the civil rights of other Americans up to a vote has done nothing to stop the declining number of married households in America according to the latest statistics. So what is the REAL agenda of the anti-gay lobby?
Prior to 1967, many states in the south prohibited interracial civil marriage because that's what the majority wanted. It was wrong for the majority to unfairly take away the rights of a minority then, and it's wrong now, too. Same-sex couples deserve to be eligible for all the legal rights and benefits of civil marriage (ex. inheritance, medical decisions, joint tax return, etc.), and the way to give them these rights and benefits is to expand the definition of civil marriage.
Protect marriage from what? Divorce? No. Domestic abuse? No. Child abuse? No. Barren couples? No. Adultery? No. Gold diggers? No. Marriage for a green card? Creating a law that reduntantly bans same sex marriage does not make fags go away, and it doesn't make gay relationships dissolve. There will be just as many gays after the amendment as before. It just makes the proponents look scared and sad.
ent. It is time people get rid of this fears of the unknown. It does not matter if you are white, black, asain, hispanic, Jewish, Catholic, republican, democratic, gay or lesbian we are all unique individuals of this world. Do not be ashamed of who you are, let your colors shine and never let anyone tell you different.
I hate when people discriminate against others just for being different. All of you anti- gay marriage people out there need to stop. I am not gay but how would you feel if you loved someone so whole heartedly with your soul that you would die for them and then told no you cannot marry them just because your relationship is "different". Treat others how you want to be treated. Have we really not learned a single thing from our history in America? Most people are afraid of things that are differ
What I want to know, exactly, is when the fuck will NOM come out and defend marriage from Newt Gingrich, what with the whole ditching his sick wife for someone 20 years younger
if a muslim american veteran with an artificial limb gives a passionate speech about his sacrifice & demands to know why he can't marry the way his heart tells him to & then goes on to declare that his faith & his culture says that polygyny is acceptable & then rants against those who would force their values on him what shall we do then? if he demands to legally practice polygyny are we just going to legalize polygyny as well. shall we label all who oppose polygyny "bigots" & "hate mongers."
The difference between other states and Minnesota is that there is already a law preventing same-sex marriage on the books. To add this amendment to the Constitution would be adding salt to the wound and insult to the injury.
According to a new Star Tribune Minnesota Poll, a majority of Minnesotans oppose amending the state Constitution to ban same-sex marriage.
Fifty-five percent of respondents said they oppose adding such an amendment while 39 percent favor a constitutional ban.
Folks, we need to stand firm against these homophobics and send a loud and clear message to the rest of the Country that Minnesota does NOT legislate away human rights.
Some but not all Republicans still think they can tell gay adults who they can and cannot marry. Why not let gay people tell them who they can marry, and tell them they have no right to complain about it. That would give them a valid reason to be angry!
Yup ant Ken Mehlman went around the country and got most of those amendments started. He was rewarded with the chairmanship of the Republican National committee. When Obama was elected he stepped down shortly after wars he came out of the closet. His words were I did not want to do it, I told them it was a bad idea, they made me do it! He won't see redemption until he donates most of the money he gained from it to good gay causes. Don't believe me google Ken Mehlman!
how does straight marriage need protecting? if gays marry, straights can still marry, so theres no harm. unless theyre referring to 60% or so divorce rate, spousal (and child when applicable) abuse, game show marriages, marriages of convenience, infidelity, Vegas weddings between 2 straights who just met, multiple marriages w/o death (that's a vow, right?) for one person, open marriages, etc... if a particular religion doesnt want to marry gays it wont have to, just a courthouse, right?
So, what happens if Minnesota votes on gay marriage and it passes? Would you support that? Is my right to vote still important if I support gay marriage? Would you defend my gay friend's right to vote? Personally, I am looking forward to the day when (yes, when) gay marriage is legalized in Minnesota. NOM's reaction should be interesting.
Sorry to Permaglo, I don't feel like I properly dealt with his first question to me. Those who voted for a ban on gay marriage felt they were defending marriage because they believed homosexual marriage was wrong. You don't have to agree with them but you do have to respect their opinion.
Just to be clear, NO state has voted to "protect marriage." 31 have voted to discriminate against gay couples. If you want to "protect marriage," ban divorce. Until then, stop whining that same-sex marriage is being "imposed" on you. No one will be forced to marry someone of the same sex.
@CelticVictory And how does prohibiting gay people from getting married "protect marriage?" Not trying to force anything on anyone. I'm just trying to obtain the right to wed the person I fall in love with.
@Permaglo I'm not saying that you don't have the right to get married. However, most gays aren't happy with the "let's just get married" approach. Many want everyone else to blatantly know their gay and that does come down to force. You want to settle down and quietly get married, fine. But, if I have to see a mini-soft porn show everytime I go outside, I'm less likely to support it. Especially, if when I say I don't want to see that I have a whole bunch of people yelling and being hostile.
@CelticVictory One of the purposes of marriage is that you're committing yourself to another person and you're letting everybody in your life know. I've never been to a wedding that's been even close to a "mini-soft porn show." And unless you were invited to the wedding how would you even see it? If you're referring to "public displays of affection," such as making out in a park, I don't like to see that either, gay or straight.
@Permaglo One of the purposes of marraige is that you're committing yourself to another person.
But that's only one purpose of marriage - and not the one that has societal ramifications, not the one that is why we grant benefits, not the one that requires a legal contract.
Real marriage is about that, but also more.
That is why the two unions are not "the same".
The benefits are meant for you & your child's other parent - not so you can make a baby with Max but "give" the child to Sue.
@vicorii So you're saying that couples who can't or choose not have children aren't really married? And what if Dan wants to "give" his child to his husband Bill? Gay couples have children too, just via different means, and those children deserve to have parents who are married.
@Permaglo Having a license and choosing not to use its benefits is not the same thing as not being eligible for a license.
Infertile couples were traditionally "checked" by adultery laws. Maybe we need to bring those back, to protect against the frauds perpetrated by gays MISUSING the benefits of marriage to falsify documents and misrepresent other peoples' kids as their own.
@Permaglo Granting the right to ALL children, the rights that MOST children currently enjoy, is not "going backwards".
ALL children need and deserve the right to not be trafficked.
The right to a relationship with both parents, and the only exceptions being LEGITIMATE crisis - not the desires of parents to buy and sell children like commodities.
The right to not live a lie...it's not fair to expect a child to testify how "happy" he is to have 2 dads instead of a dad and a mom.
@vicorii In most cases, adoption can take place whether the parents are married or not. And not all gay couples who marry want children.
Adoption is about finding a home for a baby that needs one by parents who want a child. The two go together. Gay couples adopt kids whose biological parents abandoned them and need a home.
It has been shown that children of gay couples do as well or better than their counterparts.
@Permaglo A legitimate adoption is ruled by the child's best interests.
Just because some people sell babies or traffick in human flesh, does not make it any less of a human rights violation.
The minute you are prioritizing the parents' wishes AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CHILD - which you do whenever you make a child motherless to accommodate the "civil rights" of the parents - this is not a legitimate adoption, it's no longer about what is best for the child.
And before you give me the part about how "it doesn't matter as long as they are loving parents", let me just point out, if they were "loving" parents, they would recognize that children have reason to value having a mother-relationship (or father-relationship as the case may be).
@vicorii You're entitled to your skewed opinions. I wish you could see the great, loving gay parents I know raising happy, well-adjusted children. Any other kid would be envious.
@Permaglo yeah, I haven't seen the "great, loving gay parents".
The gay parents I've seen have been selfish and use their children as props.
For instance, if you go around YouTube you see there are a number of videos where parents have put their children into videos to "witness" on behalf of their parents.
They use their children as public relations tools and teach them from a young age to be meat shields for their parents.
Instead of adults caring for kids, the kids care for the adults.
@idaman12345 If you think gender doesn't matter, then just tell gays to marry a member of the opposite sex instead of the same sex. You can tell them I said that as long as the spouse is "loving", it doesn't matter if it's a boy-spouse or a girl-spouse.
@idaman12345 Rights and responsibilities go together, as linked and interdependent as supply and demand or risk and reward.
There is no "equality" based on granting gays the RIGHTS of family membership, while exempting them from the OBLIGATIONS.
The respect and status and the obligations go together.
You want to have a family, then accept that if you make a baby with someone, THAT person is your baby's mama - not some other guy. Respect and honor her. Who cares if you love her? Your kid does.
@clubindiana4 Wow clubbing Indians, that sounds like it would hurt. Sorry, mocking the name was just too tempting. Anyway, no where is it guaranteed that people can get married. It is a priviledge extended to people for following their part of the social contract. It does not have to be provided should the State not wish too. Your statement to the contrary is quite erroneous.
@CelticVictory And your statement to the contrary is quite delusional. "following their part of the social contract"?........Huh? Looks like the Minnesota divorce rate is right on par with every other state............havin some trouble living up to your "social contract"?
Only a true coward hides behind a facade of social responsibility.
@CelticVictory Given your name, you may not be American and therefore not understand our history and laws. Such a prohibition on marriage would be a violation of the US Constitution. US Supreme Court decisions have unambiguously seen access to marriage as something regulated by the federal constitution. Moreover, the prohibition of marriage between different social groups has come before the US Supreme Court on 3 occasions. Such a prohibition from 1883 was overturned in Loving v. Virginia (1967)
@GradStud28 You are incorrect, the Constitution makes no direct pronouncement regarding marriage. That was relegated to the authority of States' not the Federal government. Further, you would have a hard time finding any document to substantiate marriage as a right.
@CelticVictory The sole role of the United States Supreme Court is to interpret a document: The Constitution of the United States of America. They have done so, and in the rulings I mentioned you find precedent in light of which what is being attempted here is "unconstitutional". One might dislike or not agree with these earlier rulings, but they've been decided, and decided on a federal level.
@GradStud28 That's not citing a source. You're basically saying, "I heard it was in there somewhere," like that's enough. The ruling you mentioned was placed no where in the Constitution or any other finding document. Considering the Supreme Courts precedent for reversing it's own decisions (just look at rulings during the civil rights era) your argument isn't a strong argument.
@Permaglo It's not a question about weddings, I wasn't referring to that. Yes, I was referring to public displays of affection and I agree gay or straight I don't want to see that. To answer you question, no it doesn't, however, there are people out there among the gay community who are not as tolerant as you seem to be and do not encourage those that they attack to support their cause.
Banning gay marriage is a stance of those who fear the loss of their own personal power... people who would hurt, abuse, or forcefully "re-educate" their own gay children. They talk about their church and their God, but the gay marriage debate has nothing to do with them, it is a civil law. By denying gay marriage they make separate classes of citizens with themselves as the "superior" race. Seig Heil!
God, fucking idiots!! I've been hearing these adds all over the radio, and I get offended every time! These adds are ineffective, and do nothing but spread ignorant fear among people who don't know anything about the subject. What, so if everyone is alowed to get married it means your marriage is less special, suck my dick.
I love it! NOM shows Sen. Marty talking about marriage equality like it is some scandal.
They are really beating a dead horse here. They are becoming desperate!... They know that they are losing this fight and they are going to be washed into the toilette bowl of history like proponents of slavery and segregation.
@CelticVictory Please show us where you're getting this information. Because, from how I'm seeing it, it's actually winning. Slowly winning, but it's getting there. And beside, voting for this issue shouldn't be happening. It's a human right of love. Many are saying that this is like the civil rights movement of the 1960s and it's not to far from it. Gays get killed, slandered upon, not given many rights they should have, ect. And, the movement is happening in a similar way like then.
@ilikenintendo2005 See that's your problem, your asking me for sources, but your only relying on your own sight and most likely looking at things very biasedly. The fact is homosexuals have more rights than the average citizen. Can just anyone silence their opposition by claiming that they were being "insensitize", nope. In addition, everyone runs the risk of being taunted or killed if they go outside, that's not something case specific to being gay.
heres what you people are obviously missing. If this law is passed, it doenst stop you from getting married still. If its not, it effects the equal rights of millions. You're selfish cunts basically.
Unfortunately, the REAL problem is that we have let marriage become so subject to all these special privileges and tax benefits. I mean, government involvement in marriage, esp. to the extent that it is in the Western world, is relatively new in history. Before then, churches and any other institutions that would marry just did it, and the rules or laws regarding marriage were few and far between. It was mostly a PRIVATE institution, like it should be now. Gov't involvement complicates this.
And it's pretty fucking disgusting to see the narrator of this ad frame it as "protecting marriage", rather than admitting what it REALLY is about: taking away gays' rights. Why not just be honest with the people watching this ad, instead of claiming you're "protecting marriage"? how the hell is making marriage MORE INCLUSIVE "protection"? I'd say the REAL protectors of marriage are the ones who wanna enable gays to be able to do it as well. Not a bunch of anti-gay pansies on the Right.
@whoo689 Gay marriage advocates' real interest should be to privatize marriage, allow those who wanna marry gays to do so (others that don't like gay marriage can refuse), and just get gov't the fuck out. Let married couples in general get all the same rights and benefits but no special privileges granted by the gov't, esp. those that punish people for being single or gay. Anti-gay people will see that this is also very much in their interests.
@whoo689 As long as keep marriage in gov't's hands, the harder it will be. Why not make it a little easier on ourselves and make it take a little less time to get gays married by privatizing it once and for all? I mean, why the fuck does gov't need to be involved in marriage anyway? Shouldn't marriage be a private institution that churches, chapels, etc. do? What's the fucking deal with having to get a prenup and license? That's insane.
@whoo689 Hm, let's see..... Hm...... Because marriage contracts two people so that they can share in paying legal governmental stuff such as taxes, loans, ect. And, so that they get visitation in such places like hospitals. And, not everybody is a Christian. And, some people have no religion at all.
Minnesota should NOT go down the same path that all these other states did in banning gay marriage and putting it up to a vote. I'm sorry, but if the people are so ignorant that they actually buy all this crap from the anti-gay marriage side and aren't accepting enough and smart enough to realize it doesn't matter if gays get married, they're too stupid to let them vote on it. Gay activists cannot take that risk. You have to protect your rights at ALL COSTS. Forget wut the other side says.
This would probably be the first time in Minnesotan history that the people have been able to vote to take away an entire group's rights. They probably didn't do it with black civil rights and suffrage, so why start now with gay marriage? Constitutions are designed to LIMIT governmental power and protect the rights of citizens, NOT the other way around. A constitutional amendment that takes away someone's rights and makes gov't bigger doesn't sound very conservative, does it?
Yes... the side of the political spectrum that basically agrees with the elites and moral "leaders" of so many countries, esp. in the past and in more primitive societies generally, and has contributed to such violence and hatred against these people and ostracized them so says the people who want GAY TOLERANCE, a relatively new idea in human history, are the ones "imposing" their views on others.
Don't give me that bullshit. YOU'RE the ones who've imposed your stupid ideas for MILLENIA!
And I find it amusing that the narrator calls the other side "special interest groups", rather than just "the gay marriage advocates", as if to say "these guys are fighting to bring down society and make us all a bunch of sinful heathens" rather than "these guys are fighting for a legit cause but we just disagree with them." It's asinine. The Left and Right always play this stupid little game with the term "special interests." Everyone only on the OTHER side is a "special interest", right?
@whoo689 But folks they're allied with on their side of the aisle, they're never "special interests", eh? Pfft... bullshit. If anyone is a special interest, it's the groups trying to take away gay civil rights. This is none of your fucking business, anyhow. If gays wanna marry, fine. It's not gonna hurt you or your marriage. How does this affect non-gays? Gays will just get marriage licenses and have weddings, and that's that. It's not like the gates of hell will open.
I love how the ad narrator says "impose gay marriage on Minnesotans." WHO is imposing?? We're just protecting their rights and asking that they not be treated for pariahs for something that's strictly THEIR business. Who cares if they're gay??
This ad is disgraceful. You can't vote on someone else's rights. This is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. People would've been OUTRAGED if there was an actual movement in 1964 and 65 to have a people's vote on black rights. Or suffrage in 1920. Shameful
@whoo689 But I guess gay people don't deserve their rights, do they, insecure people? We should keep them in the closet, have them lie about who they really are when they serve their country, and just tell them to fuck off cuz they "don't deserve it" b/c of what they on their own time. It's sickening that in 2010 there are STILL Americans who have such a problem with gays. Gay people are every bit as normal and healthy as you and I. Sure, some are weird, but there are weird straight folks.
There are plenty of promiscuous gay guys, but who says there aren't promiscuous STRAIGHTS as well? And it's not because being gay makes you promiscuous; gay GUYS are promiscous, perhaps more so than straights, b/c it's TWO MEN! Think about that for a second. Men typically wanna get to the sex much faster and with no strings attached. Two folks with that same mindset, and it's not hard to see why promiscuity can ensue. Gay women are about every bit as monogamous and chaste as straight.
@whoo689 If you don't like gay marriage, fine. Don't like it. But you've no right to impose your morality on the rest of Minnesota or the country and make us ban gay marriage because YOU think it's wrong. Whether or not it's wrong is not the issue; the issue is that their rights are being denied. They deserve their rights, just like everyone else. I love how the side of the aisle that's always imposing its view on everyone and telling us how "wrong" being gay is says WE'RE imposing. HA!
@LaozyBwoi If Tom Emmer wins, well, I'm moving to a different state since you guys won't allow gay marriage, you will most likely get in deeper shit then we're already in (Tim Pawlenty said he'd fix MN, did he? Not by a long shot.), education will suck even more in this state, and there's a ton more that'll happen. Conservatives are supposed to be great, right?! Well, MN has had them for 25 years, are we still doing all that great?
@ilikenintendo2005 Are you actually equating homosexuality to better education? I think we'll be fine without you. Even though Dayton won feel free to leave.
Imposing gay marriage? Um.....no one is forcing heterosexuals to marry someone of the same sex....
Making gay marriage legal does not make anyone else's marriage less valid. It does not take away anyone's rights. It does not take away anyone's freedom.
Imposing gay marriage? Um.....no one is forcing heterosexuals to marry someone of the same sex....
Making gay marriage legal does not make anyone else's marriage less valid. It does not take away anyone's rights. It does not take away anyone's freedom.
Yup, that's us gays, always taking away your rights and freedom. Can we just reflect on the fact the "homosexual acts" were not legal nationwide in the US until 2003? However, it's us that are ruining your lives.. Really?
PS: Please get your heads out of your asses. kgreatthx.
But if we allow them to illegalize gay marriage, next they'll try to illegalize interracial marriage, and before you know it all marriage is in jeopardy. It's a slippery slope!
Oh God! Next, they'll be pushing for equal rights for Blacks and women.
What most of those lying, dirty Democrats don't know is that we real Americans don't want queers to get married, just like we don't want no Blacks voting or marrying white women, nor do we want women voting: they are, in fact, too dumb to make the right decision.
I hope everyone makes the right choice, and votes against gay marriage: we need our intolerance.
You used "your" incorrectly twice, and I'm retarded?
Look Buckarooni, if you have a problem with homosexuals, just come out and say it. That way, we can identify you as the homophobic trash that you are more easily. Mmmkay?
If you had even the slightest bit of an education, you would realize that the situations faced by both blacks and gays are eerily similar. So I don't really see why I should give a dern about blacks if it's wrong to care about homosexuals.
Idiots! Don't they see that changing the definition of marriage in a book will destroy marriage entirely, maybe even the world? What are they thinking? Do they honestly believe that church and state are supposed to be separated somehow? Where do they get that crazy idea? It's not like there's any benefits of getting married from the states or anything. Church and state are one in the same! Idiots...
Yeah, and that has been proven with 100% accuracy. Look at all that evidence... like the bible! Anything written in a book can't be wrong! Poor atheists, I feel sorry for them because they will apparently be spending an eternity in hell due to not worshiping the lord, who is TOTALLY not like a tyrant at all.
@UltimateAVGN I am athiest. <3 Things in a book can be wrong, if there is a god he didn't write the book. Man wrote the book. And it's just a way for the church to control people.
Brian, I just saw you memorialized in that "Mormon Proposition" film. How does it feel to be outed as one of the clowns who aspires to become a polygamous, autocratic big daddy in space in your afterlife?
You, "The Prophet," gays into S&M have in common a perverted fetish for offering blind obedience to big daddies.
You should get some psychological help. All that money you took from hardworking families for this pointless endeavor will plague you with guilt.
Ive come to the final solution of why people are gay. For goodness sakes people its not because your born gay, No ones born gay. Your gay for 2 reasons, number one, you cant get any puss and number two, Your to obsessed with pleasuring yourself that you found it easier to find men who will do it for you than women. I like how you all try to defend yourselves but in the end no matter how you respond to this, your all gunna realize it when your 80. if you dont die from your anus being infected.
@FullMoonThrowDown And this, my friends, is what happens when your mother and father happen to be sister and brother. You get a ridiculous, uneducated moron with obvious brain issues.
I truly feel sorry for you. You should ask the lord for forgiveness immediately. Being a homosexual is a choice, which makes complete sense, right? I mean, it's COMPLETELY normal for people to just switch from being attracted to the opposite sex to being attracted to someone of the same sex. Yeah, completely normal. It's not like that is a flaw in my logic that would basically mean that everyone is born bisexual, or anything.
@UltimateAVGN I am not going to ask anyone for forgiveness for being who and what I am. If there is a god he made me this way. I wasn't born gay, I understand that. I became gay. Men disgust me. I don't like their anatomy nor will I ever want to be with one.
How do you become gay? As far as I know, you don't just simply stop being attracted to the opposite sex one day. It seems to me that you'd have to be born with such an attraction. What I said above was merely mocking the people who say being gay is a choice and pointing out flaws in their logic.
@UltimateAVGN It takes time, you begin to find one more attractive to you. I originally loved boys, they were all I dreamt about, all I wanted. But as I got older I started to notice that I liked girls too, so after a while I realized I was bisexual. And then in the middle of March this year I became aware that I didn't like men at all anymore. I couldn't picture myself ever marrying a man, being physical with a man, or having a family with one either.
You chose to become gay? As in, did you wake up one day and say that you were going to be gay, and all of a sudden your attraction to the opposite sex vanished? I doubt it. That is what I was getting at. Many people think that's how it works. Mostly those who are religious.
@UltimateAVGN In a way you do and you don't. It's hard to explain. You could either deny you are gay and live a straight life style and avoid being homosexual at all costs, or you can accept that you are gay and enjoy life in your own way.
@UltimateAVGN Yes, basically. There are ways you can be unhappy just being yourself (homosexual) but it's not because of you being who you truly are, it's because of how people react towards you and take away some of your rights.
@UltimateAVGN Ask the lord for forgiveness for being gay? But that would mean I felt sorry about it.. and I don't.
Besides, you might as well pray to a unicorn to pick you up milk from the grocery store. The fact of the matter is it's hard for things that don't exist to do anything in this world.
That was a joke. But since you're so convinced that a god absolutely does not exist, maybe you'd like to share the evidence that you've gathered? Lack of evidence does not mean something does not exist. I don't believe in unicorns, yet I can't prove that they don't exist with 100% accuracy. I find it unlikely that you can prove anything with 100% accuracy. By the way, I believe in a god, but I refuse to believe in any such petty tyrant of a god that hates ones sexuality.
@FullMoonThrowDown No, not all gays can't get "pussy." That's fake gay. Gays aren't interested in pussies, they find them disgusting. And I find homophobes just likes dicks, sick and gross.
Banning the expression of someone else's beliefs is worlds different than just holding an opposing viewpoint ... And I don't think it's inconsistent for someone who doesn't support gay couples marrying (on religious or other grounds) to also oppose amendments banning it. America is supposed to be land of the free right? Why shouldn't gays, gay friendly supporters, priests, etc. be able to have and exercise their beliefs too? Ate they not citizens?
IndyCub86 2 months ago
One can see that Nation For Bigots aka Nation For Marriage aka NOM is still posting one hate video after another. At least when this hate group shuts down when the big money people realize that the battle is lost, its members will be able to find a compatible home in the Ku Klux Klan.
RCSVirginia 2 months ago
To see a sweet, loving, inspiring YouTube video, watch:
"It's Time" by GetUpAustralia
RCSVirginia 2 months ago
2011 statewide survey, released Thursday, showed 47 percent of those polled do not support amending Minnesota's constitution to define marriage as between one man and one woman. It found 44 percent support the proposal, and 9 percent were undecided or refused to answer.
clubindiana4 3 months ago
THERE IS NO "RIGHT" TO VOTE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS.
eric5549 3 months ago
Julian Bond, chair of the NAACP said:
Black people, of all people, should not oppose equality. And that is what gay marriage represents. It does not matter the rationale -- religious, cultural, pseudo-scientific. No people of goodwill should oppose marriage equality. And they should not think that civil unions are a substitute. At best, civil unions are separate but equal. And we all know separate is never equal.
TaneishaRed1990 4 months ago
Coretta Scott King said:
"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice... But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King, Jr., said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere' ... I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people."
TaneishaRed1990 4 months ago
Put bigotry on the ballot, and it will win every time. Few things are harder for people to resist than an opportunity to deprive others of what they themselves are free to take for granted.
If racial integration and women's suffrage had been left up to "the people" in previous decades, we'd still have "restricted" neighborhoods, "colored only" drinking fountains, and a nonvoting female population.
TaneishaRed1990 4 months ago
Gays are probably in favor of incest, pedophilia, and bestiality.
TheDukeljk 5 months ago
@TheDukeljk actually no they are not, despite what you may "think"
idaman12345 5 months ago
Minnesota will be the first state to not vote for this. Our legislature has failed us by even allowing this stupid question on the ballot. How dare I or you vote on a right of a minority group? What the hell...
MN55405 6 months ago 7
@MN55405 Its not a right dumb fuck, its a special right. Should you have the right to marry a siblings?
TheDukeljk 5 months ago
@TheDukeljk actually the courts have ruled time and time again it is a right, and gays want equal rights, despite what you anti gay "people" "think"
idaman12345 5 months ago
@NationForMarriage
Fucking A, this is the stupidest commercial. Why won't you sorry fucks worry about yourselves....I'm sure you have enough problems to worry about with Judgement Day coming and all.....
SechyoolarYOOESAY 7 months ago
@NationForMarriage hey nom im going to start campain to let us vote on your marriage, since you want vote on someonelse marriage, let us vote on yours
sunshine79768 8 months ago
ill be for sure voting against gay marriage.
VVV717 8 months ago
You know why they don't want us to marry? We might get it right! The straights don't seem to. Just look at the divorce rate.
What's next telling us who we can marry, what kind of car we can drive, or where we are allowed to go.
I thought America was founded on individual freedom.
What's sad is we, the American people, keeps voting these idiots back in office!
cocacolafan42 8 months ago
@cocacolafan42 ha ha... good joke.
CelticVictory 8 months ago
I have no problem with civil unions and benefits for all -- the gays have as much a right to legal considerations as straight people do. But it would mock God for them to 'marry' in a sacramental sense in a church, and no priest or minister that obeys Him would ever 'marry' a same-gender 'couple' in a church.
Abortion is a far worse problem than this, as is the economy.. as is political polarization. It is possible to be a Christian and a Democrat, or a Republican who does not believe in God.
NewHopeNashFan 8 months ago
@NewHopeNashFan "But it would mock God for them to 'marry' in a sacramental sense in a church"
Except........this is not a rational point. Your church couldn't be forced to marry gays any more than it could be forced to marry atheists or Buddhists.
You have created the failure of your argument in your own comment. "no priest or minister that obeys Him would ever"........some believe a woman who wears pants is unfit for marriage, some believe your faith is a total load of bull.....who decides?
clubindiana4 8 months ago
Why doesn't NOM do something about the adultery and seperation that occurs among homosexuals.
CelticVictory 9 months ago
Why doesn't NOM do something about the adultery and divorce which is rampant among heterosexuals? Putting the civil rights of other Americans up to a vote has done nothing to stop the declining number of married households in America according to the latest statistics. So what is the REAL agenda of the anti-gay lobby?
regnardrofkcalb 9 months ago
Prior to 1967, many states in the south prohibited interracial civil marriage because that's what the majority wanted. It was wrong for the majority to unfairly take away the rights of a minority then, and it's wrong now, too. Same-sex couples deserve to be eligible for all the legal rights and benefits of civil marriage (ex. inheritance, medical decisions, joint tax return, etc.), and the way to give them these rights and benefits is to expand the definition of civil marriage.
nichtmuttersprachler 9 months ago
Protect marriage from what? Divorce? No. Domestic abuse? No. Child abuse? No. Barren couples? No. Adultery? No. Gold diggers? No. Marriage for a green card? Creating a law that reduntantly bans same sex marriage does not make fags go away, and it doesn't make gay relationships dissolve. There will be just as many gays after the amendment as before. It just makes the proponents look scared and sad.
cembalistmn 9 months ago 4
ent. It is time people get rid of this fears of the unknown. It does not matter if you are white, black, asain, hispanic, Jewish, Catholic, republican, democratic, gay or lesbian we are all unique individuals of this world. Do not be ashamed of who you are, let your colors shine and never let anyone tell you different.
emmj88forever1 9 months ago
I hate when people discriminate against others just for being different. All of you anti- gay marriage people out there need to stop. I am not gay but how would you feel if you loved someone so whole heartedly with your soul that you would die for them and then told no you cannot marry them just because your relationship is "different". Treat others how you want to be treated. Have we really not learned a single thing from our history in America? Most people are afraid of things that are differ
emmj88forever1 9 months ago 2
What I want to know, exactly, is when the fuck will NOM come out and defend marriage from Newt Gingrich, what with the whole ditching his sick wife for someone 20 years younger
In other words, bite me
DoomCenturion 9 months ago 2
if a muslim american veteran with an artificial limb gives a passionate speech about his sacrifice & demands to know why he can't marry the way his heart tells him to & then goes on to declare that his faith & his culture says that polygyny is acceptable & then rants against those who would force their values on him what shall we do then? if he demands to legally practice polygyny are we just going to legalize polygyny as well. shall we label all who oppose polygyny "bigots" & "hate mongers."
ArmenOfTheNorth 9 months ago
Former Governor Minnesota Ventura Supports Marriage Equality.
Look up the video: Jesse Ventura Supports Gays' Equal Rights
jeff4justice 9 months ago
The difference between other states and Minnesota is that there is already a law preventing same-sex marriage on the books. To add this amendment to the Constitution would be adding salt to the wound and insult to the injury.
taytsay1 9 months ago
According to a new Star Tribune Minnesota Poll, a majority of Minnesotans oppose amending the state Constitution to ban same-sex marriage.
Fifty-five percent of respondents said they oppose adding such an amendment while 39 percent favor a constitutional ban.
Folks, we need to stand firm against these homophobics and send a loud and clear message to the rest of the Country that Minnesota does NOT legislate away human rights.
RhodaTheBadSeed 9 months ago
Some but not all Republicans still think they can tell gay adults who they can and cannot marry. Why not let gay people tell them who they can marry, and tell them they have no right to complain about it. That would give them a valid reason to be angry!
RainbowDefender 9 months ago
Yup ant Ken Mehlman went around the country and got most of those amendments started. He was rewarded with the chairmanship of the Republican National committee. When Obama was elected he stepped down shortly after wars he came out of the closet. His words were I did not want to do it, I told them it was a bad idea, they made me do it! He won't see redemption until he donates most of the money he gained from it to good gay causes. Don't believe me google Ken Mehlman!
RainbowDefender 9 months ago
hey! I'm for marriage....gay marriage {g'wink}
Jessymandias 9 months ago
how does straight marriage need protecting? if gays marry, straights can still marry, so theres no harm. unless theyre referring to 60% or so divorce rate, spousal (and child when applicable) abuse, game show marriages, marriages of convenience, infidelity, Vegas weddings between 2 straights who just met, multiple marriages w/o death (that's a vow, right?) for one person, open marriages, etc... if a particular religion doesnt want to marry gays it wont have to, just a courthouse, right?
eatpigsnot 10 months ago
How about you keep your RELIGION out of my LIFE. Don't like it? DON'T GET ONE.
iRainbowUnicorn 10 months ago
WHAT THE HELL!!! THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER AND I REPEAT EVER WATCHED!!!
7JClark7 10 months ago
So, what happens if Minnesota votes on gay marriage and it passes? Would you support that? Is my right to vote still important if I support gay marriage? Would you defend my gay friend's right to vote? Personally, I am looking forward to the day when (yes, when) gay marriage is legalized in Minnesota. NOM's reaction should be interesting.
gokyokitty 11 months ago
Sorry to Permaglo, I don't feel like I properly dealt with his first question to me. Those who voted for a ban on gay marriage felt they were defending marriage because they believed homosexual marriage was wrong. You don't have to agree with them but you do have to respect their opinion.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
@CelticVictory actually you dont even really have to respect it
they dont seem to respect those who are defending equal rights opinions
idaman12345 1 year ago
You don't vote on basic human rights and marriage is a basic human right.
DarthKreeg 1 year ago
Pathetic.
sisko197 1 year ago
@sisko197 Ya, people who go on this video just to attack people for holding an opposing viewpoint is pathetic.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
Just to be clear, NO state has voted to "protect marriage." 31 have voted to discriminate against gay couples. If you want to "protect marriage," ban divorce. Until then, stop whining that same-sex marriage is being "imposed" on you. No one will be forced to marry someone of the same sex.
Permaglo 1 year ago 2
@Permaglo Those were votes to protect marriage, as far as they saw it, you are just trying to force your viewpoint on him.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
@CelticVictory And how does prohibiting gay people from getting married "protect marriage?" Not trying to force anything on anyone. I'm just trying to obtain the right to wed the person I fall in love with.
Permaglo 1 year ago 2
@Permaglo I'm not saying that you don't have the right to get married. However, most gays aren't happy with the "let's just get married" approach. Many want everyone else to blatantly know their gay and that does come down to force. You want to settle down and quietly get married, fine. But, if I have to see a mini-soft porn show everytime I go outside, I'm less likely to support it. Especially, if when I say I don't want to see that I have a whole bunch of people yelling and being hostile.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
@CelticVictory One of the purposes of marriage is that you're committing yourself to another person and you're letting everybody in your life know. I've never been to a wedding that's been even close to a "mini-soft porn show." And unless you were invited to the wedding how would you even see it? If you're referring to "public displays of affection," such as making out in a park, I don't like to see that either, gay or straight.
Does simply knowing my sexuality harm you?
Permaglo 1 year ago
@Permaglo One of the purposes of marraige is that you're committing yourself to another person.
But that's only one purpose of marriage - and not the one that has societal ramifications, not the one that is why we grant benefits, not the one that requires a legal contract.
Real marriage is about that, but also more.
That is why the two unions are not "the same".
The benefits are meant for you & your child's other parent - not so you can make a baby with Max but "give" the child to Sue.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii So you're saying that couples who can't or choose not have children aren't really married? And what if Dan wants to "give" his child to his husband Bill? Gay couples have children too, just via different means, and those children deserve to have parents who are married.
Permaglo 1 year ago
@Permaglo Having a license and choosing not to use its benefits is not the same thing as not being eligible for a license.
Infertile couples were traditionally "checked" by adultery laws. Maybe we need to bring those back, to protect against the frauds perpetrated by gays MISUSING the benefits of marriage to falsify documents and misrepresent other peoples' kids as their own.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii Yeah, let's go backward with our laws. Maybe we can even bring back the laws the Puritans used.
What are you talking about falsifying documents? Where are all these parents having their children snatched away by gay couples?
Permaglo 1 year ago
@Permaglo Granting the right to ALL children, the rights that MOST children currently enjoy, is not "going backwards".
ALL children need and deserve the right to not be trafficked.
The right to a relationship with both parents, and the only exceptions being LEGITIMATE crisis - not the desires of parents to buy and sell children like commodities.
The right to not live a lie...it's not fair to expect a child to testify how "happy" he is to have 2 dads instead of a dad and a mom.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii So adoption is trafficking? I guess all the unwanted children of the world should just be put down, eh?
It's clear you know absolutely nothing about gays.
Permaglo 1 year ago
@Permaglo Legitimate adoption has three things that gay marriages do not:
1. the adoption is about finding a home for a baby that needs one - not about finding a baby for a home that wants one. CRUCIAL distinction.
2. the adoption prioritizes the child's interests - not the parents'.
3. the adopted child is recognized as having a right to grieve for his losses
Gay unions are in conflict with the child's best interest.
The child's interest should be prioritized.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii In most cases, adoption can take place whether the parents are married or not. And not all gay couples who marry want children.
Adoption is about finding a home for a baby that needs one by parents who want a child. The two go together. Gay couples adopt kids whose biological parents abandoned them and need a home.
It has been shown that children of gay couples do as well or better than their counterparts.
I have no clue what you mean with your 3rd point.
Permaglo 1 year ago
@Permaglo A legitimate adoption is ruled by the child's best interests.
Just because some people sell babies or traffick in human flesh, does not make it any less of a human rights violation.
The minute you are prioritizing the parents' wishes AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CHILD - which you do whenever you make a child motherless to accommodate the "civil rights" of the parents - this is not a legitimate adoption, it's no longer about what is best for the child.
We just need the law to catch up.
vicorii 1 year ago
And before you give me the part about how "it doesn't matter as long as they are loving parents", let me just point out, if they were "loving" parents, they would recognize that children have reason to value having a mother-relationship (or father-relationship as the case may be).
Real love is about giving. Not USING.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii You're entitled to your skewed opinions. I wish you could see the great, loving gay parents I know raising happy, well-adjusted children. Any other kid would be envious.
Permaglo 1 year ago
@Permaglo yeah, I haven't seen the "great, loving gay parents".
The gay parents I've seen have been selfish and use their children as props.
For instance, if you go around YouTube you see there are a number of videos where parents have put their children into videos to "witness" on behalf of their parents.
They use their children as public relations tools and teach them from a young age to be meat shields for their parents.
Instead of adults caring for kids, the kids care for the adults.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii most adoptions the parents want a child
giving a child a loving home (regardless of parents) is in the best interest for the child
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 Any parent who says it doesn't matter if their child never gets to know a mother-relationship or father-relationship is not "loving".
Loving parents what what's best for the child.
There's nothing "loving" about people who deprive the child of something precious, then justify it away as if it didn't matter.
vicorii 1 year ago
@idaman12345 If you think gender doesn't matter, then just tell gays to marry a member of the opposite sex instead of the same sex. You can tell them I said that as long as the spouse is "loving", it doesn't matter if it's a boy-spouse or a girl-spouse.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii so instead of them getting equal rights, youd rather see them be one of the 50% that end in divorce
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 Rights and responsibilities go together, as linked and interdependent as supply and demand or risk and reward.
There is no "equality" based on granting gays the RIGHTS of family membership, while exempting them from the OBLIGATIONS.
The respect and status and the obligations go together.
You want to have a family, then accept that if you make a baby with someone, THAT person is your baby's mama - not some other guy. Respect and honor her. Who cares if you love her? Your kid does.
vicorii 1 year ago
@vicorii I agree with you regarding rights and responsibilities, all homosexuals want is priviledges not rights.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
@CelticVictory wrong what they want is rights
atleast according to the courts
idaman12345 1 year ago
@idaman12345 Wrong, marriage is a priviledge not a right.
CelticVictory 9 months ago
@CelticVictory Wrong......."Church Marriage" is a privilidge.......civil marriage is a right.
clubindiana4 8 months ago
@clubindiana4 Wow clubbing Indians, that sounds like it would hurt. Sorry, mocking the name was just too tempting. Anyway, no where is it guaranteed that people can get married. It is a priviledge extended to people for following their part of the social contract. It does not have to be provided should the State not wish too. Your statement to the contrary is quite erroneous.
CelticVictory 8 months ago
@CelticVictory And your statement to the contrary is quite delusional. "following their part of the social contract"?........Huh? Looks like the Minnesota divorce rate is right on par with every other state............havin some trouble living up to your "social contract"?
Only a true coward hides behind a facade of social responsibility.
clubindiana4 8 months ago
@CelticVictory Given your name, you may not be American and therefore not understand our history and laws. Such a prohibition on marriage would be a violation of the US Constitution. US Supreme Court decisions have unambiguously seen access to marriage as something regulated by the federal constitution. Moreover, the prohibition of marriage between different social groups has come before the US Supreme Court on 3 occasions. Such a prohibition from 1883 was overturned in Loving v. Virginia (1967)
GradStud28 8 months ago
@GradStud28 You are incorrect, the Constitution makes no direct pronouncement regarding marriage. That was relegated to the authority of States' not the Federal government. Further, you would have a hard time finding any document to substantiate marriage as a right.
CelticVictory 8 months ago
@CelticVictory The sole role of the United States Supreme Court is to interpret a document: The Constitution of the United States of America. They have done so, and in the rulings I mentioned you find precedent in light of which what is being attempted here is "unconstitutional". One might dislike or not agree with these earlier rulings, but they've been decided, and decided on a federal level.
GradStud28 7 months ago
@GradStud28 That's not citing a source. You're basically saying, "I heard it was in there somewhere," like that's enough. The ruling you mentioned was placed no where in the Constitution or any other finding document. Considering the Supreme Courts precedent for reversing it's own decisions (just look at rulings during the civil rights era) your argument isn't a strong argument.
CelticVictory 7 months ago
@GradStud28 Further, the Supreme Courts precedents for overruling it's own previous decisions, makes nothing written in stone.
CelticVictory 7 months ago
@Permaglo It's not a question about weddings, I wasn't referring to that. Yes, I was referring to public displays of affection and I agree gay or straight I don't want to see that. To answer you question, no it doesn't, however, there are people out there among the gay community who are not as tolerant as you seem to be and do not encourage those that they attack to support their cause.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
People always deserve the right to referendum.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
Banning gay marriage is a stance of those who fear the loss of their own personal power... people who would hurt, abuse, or forcefully "re-educate" their own gay children. They talk about their church and their God, but the gay marriage debate has nothing to do with them, it is a civil law. By denying gay marriage they make separate classes of citizens with themselves as the "superior" race. Seig Heil!
dimgrund 1 year ago
If you don't like gay marriage, don't have one.
wildwill121 1 year ago
God, fucking idiots!! I've been hearing these adds all over the radio, and I get offended every time! These adds are ineffective, and do nothing but spread ignorant fear among people who don't know anything about the subject. What, so if everyone is alowed to get married it means your marriage is less special, suck my dick.
chickedybird 1 year ago
I love it! NOM shows Sen. Marty talking about marriage equality like it is some scandal.
They are really beating a dead horse here. They are becoming desperate!... They know that they are losing this fight and they are going to be washed into the toilette bowl of history like proponents of slavery and segregation.
biry0501 1 year ago
@biry0501 You do realize that gay marriage is losing the fight right, they are coming on to strong.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
@CelticVictory No, it is actually winning the fight. And now public opinion is more in favor than against. It is a matter of time.
Civil rights movements don't win by being timid.
biry0501 1 year ago
@biry0501 Actually, they're coming on too strong and it's turning a lot of people off.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
@CelticVictory How do you feel they are coming off to strong?
biry0501 1 year ago
@CelticVictory Please show us where you're getting this information. Because, from how I'm seeing it, it's actually winning. Slowly winning, but it's getting there. And beside, voting for this issue shouldn't be happening. It's a human right of love. Many are saying that this is like the civil rights movement of the 1960s and it's not to far from it. Gays get killed, slandered upon, not given many rights they should have, ect. And, the movement is happening in a similar way like then.
ilikenintendo2005 1 year ago
@ilikenintendo2005 See that's your problem, your asking me for sources, but your only relying on your own sight and most likely looking at things very biasedly. The fact is homosexuals have more rights than the average citizen. Can just anyone silence their opposition by claiming that they were being "insensitize", nope. In addition, everyone runs the risk of being taunted or killed if they go outside, that's not something case specific to being gay.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
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DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
When do I get to vote on your marriage?
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DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
@njb444 I think you've just made the smartest statement on gay marriage I've ever heard.
Jamesscalise 1 year ago
Watch them get the ability to vote on marriage, and watch it horribly backfire.
TomSpitzy 1 year ago
heres what you people are obviously missing. If this law is passed, it doenst stop you from getting married still. If its not, it effects the equal rights of millions. You're selfish cunts basically.
phantomdoodler 1 year ago
See what good Catholics like Brian and Maggie have to say about the Mormons.
w w w . catholic. com / projects / mormonism . asp
Copy and past into your browser, remove the extra spac
MrBobbarnes 1 year ago
NOM are a bunch of morons...
iamwhoiamwhoiammark2 1 year ago 13
Unfortunately, the REAL problem is that we have let marriage become so subject to all these special privileges and tax benefits. I mean, government involvement in marriage, esp. to the extent that it is in the Western world, is relatively new in history. Before then, churches and any other institutions that would marry just did it, and the rules or laws regarding marriage were few and far between. It was mostly a PRIVATE institution, like it should be now. Gov't involvement complicates this.
whoo689 1 year ago
And it's pretty fucking disgusting to see the narrator of this ad frame it as "protecting marriage", rather than admitting what it REALLY is about: taking away gays' rights. Why not just be honest with the people watching this ad, instead of claiming you're "protecting marriage"? how the hell is making marriage MORE INCLUSIVE "protection"? I'd say the REAL protectors of marriage are the ones who wanna enable gays to be able to do it as well. Not a bunch of anti-gay pansies on the Right.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 Gay marriage advocates' real interest should be to privatize marriage, allow those who wanna marry gays to do so (others that don't like gay marriage can refuse), and just get gov't the fuck out. Let married couples in general get all the same rights and benefits but no special privileges granted by the gov't, esp. those that punish people for being single or gay. Anti-gay people will see that this is also very much in their interests.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 As long as keep marriage in gov't's hands, the harder it will be. Why not make it a little easier on ourselves and make it take a little less time to get gays married by privatizing it once and for all? I mean, why the fuck does gov't need to be involved in marriage anyway? Shouldn't marriage be a private institution that churches, chapels, etc. do? What's the fucking deal with having to get a prenup and license? That's insane.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689: I agree that gov't shouldn't get involved. I'm not sure why it's necessary to merge a civil concept with a religious construct as well.
Anyways, I think the reason for gov't involvement was for tax reasons.
pdynamics1 1 year ago
@whoo689 Hm, let's see..... Hm...... Because marriage contracts two people so that they can share in paying legal governmental stuff such as taxes, loans, ect. And, so that they get visitation in such places like hospitals. And, not everybody is a Christian. And, some people have no religion at all.
ilikenintendo2005 1 year ago
Minnesota should NOT go down the same path that all these other states did in banning gay marriage and putting it up to a vote. I'm sorry, but if the people are so ignorant that they actually buy all this crap from the anti-gay marriage side and aren't accepting enough and smart enough to realize it doesn't matter if gays get married, they're too stupid to let them vote on it. Gay activists cannot take that risk. You have to protect your rights at ALL COSTS. Forget wut the other side says.
whoo689 1 year ago 2
This would probably be the first time in Minnesotan history that the people have been able to vote to take away an entire group's rights. They probably didn't do it with black civil rights and suffrage, so why start now with gay marriage? Constitutions are designed to LIMIT governmental power and protect the rights of citizens, NOT the other way around. A constitutional amendment that takes away someone's rights and makes gov't bigger doesn't sound very conservative, does it?
whoo689 1 year ago
Yes... the side of the political spectrum that basically agrees with the elites and moral "leaders" of so many countries, esp. in the past and in more primitive societies generally, and has contributed to such violence and hatred against these people and ostracized them so says the people who want GAY TOLERANCE, a relatively new idea in human history, are the ones "imposing" their views on others.
Don't give me that bullshit. YOU'RE the ones who've imposed your stupid ideas for MILLENIA!
whoo689 1 year ago
And I find it amusing that the narrator calls the other side "special interest groups", rather than just "the gay marriage advocates", as if to say "these guys are fighting to bring down society and make us all a bunch of sinful heathens" rather than "these guys are fighting for a legit cause but we just disagree with them." It's asinine. The Left and Right always play this stupid little game with the term "special interests." Everyone only on the OTHER side is a "special interest", right?
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 But folks they're allied with on their side of the aisle, they're never "special interests", eh? Pfft... bullshit. If anyone is a special interest, it's the groups trying to take away gay civil rights. This is none of your fucking business, anyhow. If gays wanna marry, fine. It's not gonna hurt you or your marriage. How does this affect non-gays? Gays will just get marriage licenses and have weddings, and that's that. It's not like the gates of hell will open.
whoo689 1 year ago
I love how the ad narrator says "impose gay marriage on Minnesotans." WHO is imposing?? We're just protecting their rights and asking that they not be treated for pariahs for something that's strictly THEIR business. Who cares if they're gay??
This ad is disgraceful. You can't vote on someone else's rights. This is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. People would've been OUTRAGED if there was an actual movement in 1964 and 65 to have a people's vote on black rights. Or suffrage in 1920. Shameful
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 But I guess gay people don't deserve their rights, do they, insecure people? We should keep them in the closet, have them lie about who they really are when they serve their country, and just tell them to fuck off cuz they "don't deserve it" b/c of what they on their own time. It's sickening that in 2010 there are STILL Americans who have such a problem with gays. Gay people are every bit as normal and healthy as you and I. Sure, some are weird, but there are weird straight folks.
whoo689 1 year ago
There are plenty of promiscuous gay guys, but who says there aren't promiscuous STRAIGHTS as well? And it's not because being gay makes you promiscuous; gay GUYS are promiscous, perhaps more so than straights, b/c it's TWO MEN! Think about that for a second. Men typically wanna get to the sex much faster and with no strings attached. Two folks with that same mindset, and it's not hard to see why promiscuity can ensue. Gay women are about every bit as monogamous and chaste as straight.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689 If you don't like gay marriage, fine. Don't like it. But you've no right to impose your morality on the rest of Minnesota or the country and make us ban gay marriage because YOU think it's wrong. Whether or not it's wrong is not the issue; the issue is that their rights are being denied. They deserve their rights, just like everyone else. I love how the side of the aisle that's always imposing its view on everyone and telling us how "wrong" being gay is says WE'RE imposing. HA!
whoo689 1 year ago
everyone should have the right to get married. period.
watchingmefall83 1 year ago
NOM = Not Openly Mormon
EarthboundSpiral 1 year ago
if MN supports gays, im fucken moving to another state
LaozyBwoi 1 year ago
@LaozyBwoi oh no, whatever will we do without you?
itinkuno 1 year ago
@LaozyBwoi when they do, ill help you pack
idaman12345 1 year ago
@LaozyBwoi If Tom Emmer wins, well, I'm moving to a different state since you guys won't allow gay marriage, you will most likely get in deeper shit then we're already in (Tim Pawlenty said he'd fix MN, did he? Not by a long shot.), education will suck even more in this state, and there's a ton more that'll happen. Conservatives are supposed to be great, right?! Well, MN has had them for 25 years, are we still doing all that great?
ilikenintendo2005 1 year ago
@ilikenintendo2005 Are you actually equating homosexuality to better education? I think we'll be fine without you. Even though Dayton won feel free to leave.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
@LaozyBwoi
don't come to my state please.
PLmoms 1 year ago
So what other civil rights to voters deserve to vote on?
pointyears777 1 year ago
@pointyears777 Well, apparently freedom of religion is up for grabs.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
Imposing gay marriage? Um.....no one is forcing heterosexuals to marry someone of the same sex....
Making gay marriage legal does not make anyone else's marriage less valid. It does not take away anyone's rights. It does not take away anyone's freedom.
ifoundnemo1208 1 year ago
Imposing gay marriage? Um.....no one is forcing heterosexuals to marry someone of the same sex....
Making gay marriage legal does not make anyone else's marriage less valid. It does not take away anyone's rights. It does not take away anyone's freedom.
ifoundnemo1208 1 year ago
Guess I'll start planning on moving to another state.
Tehpwnzmean1 1 year ago
Yup, that's us gays, always taking away your rights and freedom. Can we just reflect on the fact the "homosexual acts" were not legal nationwide in the US until 2003? However, it's us that are ruining your lives.. Really?
PS: Please get your heads out of your asses. kgreatthx.
corygenereaux 1 year ago 2
gays should be allowed to get married and if you dont like it then you can get out and go to mexico or something
eoqazzaq 1 year ago
@eoqazzaq what happens when gays do get married?
you going to move to iran?
idaman12345 1 year ago
But if we allow them to illegalize gay marriage, next they'll try to illegalize interracial marriage, and before you know it all marriage is in jeopardy. It's a slippery slope!
kaikosuke 1 year ago
"Impose" gay marriage? How is gay marriage "imposing" anything on anyone? The only thing that's being "imposed" on people is anti-gay bigotry.
NintendoArielle 1 year ago
I hope gay marrige is passed in minnesota because im from minnesota and it will piss off my retarded christian/conservative dad.
bbdog141414 1 year ago
God made adam and eve.. not adam and steve
BackYardHuligans 1 year ago
Oh God! Next, they'll be pushing for equal rights for Blacks and women.
What most of those lying, dirty Democrats don't know is that we real Americans don't want queers to get married, just like we don't want no Blacks voting or marrying white women, nor do we want women voting: they are, in fact, too dumb to make the right decision.
I hope everyone makes the right choice, and votes against gay marriage: we need our intolerance.
Sieg heil.
SnowSlug 1 year ago 3
@SnowSlug Your a stupid fuck for comparing blacks and gays, your fucking retarded.
dukeljk 1 year ago
@dukeljk
You used "your" incorrectly twice, and I'm retarded?
Look Buckarooni, if you have a problem with homosexuals, just come out and say it. That way, we can identify you as the homophobic trash that you are more easily. Mmmkay?
If you had even the slightest bit of an education, you would realize that the situations faced by both blacks and gays are eerily similar. So I don't really see why I should give a dern about blacks if it's wrong to care about homosexuals.
Check.
SnowSlug 1 year ago
Idiots! Don't they see that changing the definition of marriage in a book will destroy marriage entirely, maybe even the world? What are they thinking? Do they honestly believe that church and state are supposed to be separated somehow? Where do they get that crazy idea? It's not like there's any benefits of getting married from the states or anything. Church and state are one in the same! Idiots...
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
@UltimateAVGN Yes, because God doesn't rule everything, he just creates everything.
disturbedkira 1 year ago
@disturbedkira
Yeah, and that has been proven with 100% accuracy. Look at all that evidence... like the bible! Anything written in a book can't be wrong! Poor atheists, I feel sorry for them because they will apparently be spending an eternity in hell due to not worshiping the lord, who is TOTALLY not like a tyrant at all.
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
@UltimateAVGN I am athiest. <3 Things in a book can be wrong, if there is a god he didn't write the book. Man wrote the book. And it's just a way for the church to control people.
disturbedkira 1 year ago
@disturbedkira
Do you understand sarcasm?
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
Brian, I just saw you memorialized in that "Mormon Proposition" film. How does it feel to be outed as one of the clowns who aspires to become a polygamous, autocratic big daddy in space in your afterlife?
You, "The Prophet," gays into S&M have in common a perverted fetish for offering blind obedience to big daddies.
You should get some psychological help. All that money you took from hardworking families for this pointless endeavor will plague you with guilt.
May God have mercy on your soul.
EarthboundSpiral 1 year ago
Ive come to the final solution of why people are gay. For goodness sakes people its not because your born gay, No ones born gay. Your gay for 2 reasons, number one, you cant get any puss and number two, Your to obsessed with pleasuring yourself that you found it easier to find men who will do it for you than women. I like how you all try to defend yourselves but in the end no matter how you respond to this, your all gunna realize it when your 80. if you dont die from your anus being infected.
FullMoonThrowDown 1 year ago
@FullMoonThrowDown so how did you come to this "conclusion"?
idaman12345 1 year ago
@FullMoonThrowDown
This is what a 4th grade education does to you.
dylanwtn 1 year ago
@FullMoonThrowDown And this, my friends, is what happens when your mother and father happen to be sister and brother. You get a ridiculous, uneducated moron with obvious brain issues.
megafluffin 1 year ago
@FullMoonThrowDown
I agree. Also, women are never gay. Damn fags just can't get any pussy.
Also, science proves the lords existence!
holyimages(.)tk/articles/1/science_proves_gods_existence.htm
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
@UltimateAVGN I'm gay, suck on it douche bag. :D
disturbedkira 1 year ago
@disturbedkira
I truly feel sorry for you. You should ask the lord for forgiveness immediately. Being a homosexual is a choice, which makes complete sense, right? I mean, it's COMPLETELY normal for people to just switch from being attracted to the opposite sex to being attracted to someone of the same sex. Yeah, completely normal. It's not like that is a flaw in my logic that would basically mean that everyone is born bisexual, or anything.
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
@UltimateAVGN I am not going to ask anyone for forgiveness for being who and what I am. If there is a god he made me this way. I wasn't born gay, I understand that. I became gay. Men disgust me. I don't like their anatomy nor will I ever want to be with one.
disturbedkira 1 year ago
@disturbedkira
How do you become gay? As far as I know, you don't just simply stop being attracted to the opposite sex one day. It seems to me that you'd have to be born with such an attraction. What I said above was merely mocking the people who say being gay is a choice and pointing out flaws in their logic.
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
@UltimateAVGN It takes time, you begin to find one more attractive to you. I originally loved boys, they were all I dreamt about, all I wanted. But as I got older I started to notice that I liked girls too, so after a while I realized I was bisexual. And then in the middle of March this year I became aware that I didn't like men at all anymore. I couldn't picture myself ever marrying a man, being physical with a man, or having a family with one either.
disturbedkira 1 year ago
@disturbedkira
You chose to become gay? As in, did you wake up one day and say that you were going to be gay, and all of a sudden your attraction to the opposite sex vanished? I doubt it. That is what I was getting at. Many people think that's how it works. Mostly those who are religious.
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
@UltimateAVGN In a way you do and you don't. It's hard to explain. You could either deny you are gay and live a straight life style and avoid being homosexual at all costs, or you can accept that you are gay and enjoy life in your own way.
disturbedkira 1 year ago
@disturbedkira
So in other words, you either hide it completely and be miserable, or just go with it and be happy?
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
@UltimateAVGN Yes, basically. There are ways you can be unhappy just being yourself (homosexual) but it's not because of you being who you truly are, it's because of how people react towards you and take away some of your rights.
disturbedkira 1 year ago
@UltimateAVGN Ask the lord for forgiveness for being gay? But that would mean I felt sorry about it.. and I don't.
Besides, you might as well pray to a unicorn to pick you up milk from the grocery store. The fact of the matter is it's hard for things that don't exist to do anything in this world.
corygenereaux 1 year ago
@corygenereaux
That was a joke. But since you're so convinced that a god absolutely does not exist, maybe you'd like to share the evidence that you've gathered? Lack of evidence does not mean something does not exist. I don't believe in unicorns, yet I can't prove that they don't exist with 100% accuracy. I find it unlikely that you can prove anything with 100% accuracy. By the way, I believe in a god, but I refuse to believe in any such petty tyrant of a god that hates ones sexuality.
UltimateAVGN 1 year ago
@FullMoonThrowDown No, not all gays can't get "pussy." That's fake gay. Gays aren't interested in pussies, they find them disgusting. And I find homophobes just likes dicks, sick and gross.
disturbedkira 1 year ago
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Kronos205 1 year ago
I'm a Minnesotan and I'm fine with gay marriage. Fuck you to those 31 states.
Kronos205 1 year ago 12
@Kronos205 You rock. <3
disturbedkira 1 year ago
@Kronos205 Hopefully Minnesota votes no just to prove you wrong.
CelticVictory 1 year ago
@Kronos205 Im a Minnesotan and i want gay marriage
TributePerson 1 year ago 2
If you are against marriage equality, you are a bigot. Plain and simple. No two ways about it. NOM is a hate group.
marceckoisawoman 1 year ago 3