WC fighter needs to work on footwork and leg jams.Techniques are found in the forms and one just needs to be adaptive. WC's forte is attack by drawing in, then close in. Sometimes WC fighter needs to close in simultaenously with the oncoming kick to jam effectively, which also puts himself into the WC's comfort zone - the trapping range. WC's unique techniques work best by tactile reaction - the gloves inhibited that. Traditional WC doesn't train enough on countering hooks so need to improvise.
and also the fighter in black is good ill give him that but if he added some more head movement while hes throwing those straight strikes hed be golden instead of wading in.
i feel like the fighter in white woulda have been more productive with straightkicks to the chest. the fighter in black was leaving himself open alot.
Good job Ishaq! This was a good fight. I personally do Shotokan Karate, but this has helped me learn more about what W.C. can do against an opponent. I still believe that if there had been no ref, W.C. would have ended it. Not saying that wing chun is the superior martial art, or that karate is, but Ishaq could have chained punched his throat. And the karate was fair, but not great... But hey, remember what they say! It's not the martial art that wins, it's the Martial Artist!!
you got to wonder who really does study marital arts in the comments. Reply by saying what marital arts you do study. Student of Tae kwon do, Tai chi chuan and Jeet kune do
@banjo13th as long as they don't start dissing the fighters if they got no experience themselves.....if you fight you will know that fighting is much harder than it looks
good job. seems like a fighter in making to me. remember people, no ones going to be a master in a few years. it'll take a whole life time to master something.
@liotta75 if u go to the right wing chun school they will teach you the full course, and youll know what I meen if you figure it out... Wing Chun is not just bout fighting, but also, wing chun teaches u black palm of death, it scarry, one slap and u kill em
It made me so happy to see that even today, people like you are willing to take wing chin and make it a part of your life. Best of luck to you in all future bouts.
Good fight! what Wing Chun school does he train at? I would like to learn Wing Chun...I've studied BJJ for a long time but never really studied any stand up fight cause there are so many schools out there I dont know which one to pic...lol..but Ive always had my eye on Wing Chun...it looks simple and direct..
i don't understand why people are talking bad about the wing chun guy... He seemed absolutly great to me. I saw him put large amounts of pressure and i never saw a punch go through his guard. Plus... he as fighting a guy much larger than him and if this wasn't in a ring... i no who the instant winner would be
Like the fight, the guy did well for a first fight, he didn't back out, I studied Wing Chun, Karate and BJJ but first started inWing Chun, the wing chun guys hand movement is already good, he needs to work on kicks and body movement, when fighting a karate guy he needs to stay real close to take away the usefullness of kicks, use of elbows would have been nice, from the Kararte guys point of view to beat a Wing Chun guy he needs to stay outside use kicks and kisk the legs, but he did good!!!
I give them credit. They both climbed into the ring. Even at their levels. If they continue...with the right teaching, they will improve. The fighter in black (the W.C fighter) would always return or at least try to return to the fundimentals that he knew. To me that's the signs of a good fighter in the making. He maintained faith and belief in the style and system in which he was fighting.....What a way to start.....Cooke
Wing Chun, just like any other martial art, encompasses only one aspect of fighting. Techniques are linear in nature and the system is simple. If a Wing Chun fighter is caught in a situation in which they can't use their usual arsenal, it is only natural that they should step out of their Wing Chun mindset to defend or attack as necessary and move back into their comfort zone when they're able. In other words, I wouldn't fault a student for dropping his technique if he had to.
I might have been a bit too direct, i believe in positive critisism and didnt mean to offend any Sifu teaching the good ways of the WC branches. Well here goes: Centerline, keep working on it, there is no need to move unless your not on the outside of your opponent (to disable as many tools as possible). Keep teaching him but please teach him more about his centerline before putting him in the ring.
Where was his centerline sidesteps? Where were the traps and kicks of wing chun? The guy in white began trying to fight the guy in blacks fight. Trying to use more handstrikes but he's claiming Tae kwon do and kickboxing. He should have used his legs A LOT more to keep distance. They both have a long way to go in thier training.
I think in a ring fight, Wing Chun by itself is a little limited, as it's effectiveness lies in it's ability to end a street situation in close quarters quickly. In a ring fight, stamina can become an issue as the opponent has all kinds of room. Combine padded gloves with the opponent's ability to move backward away from chain punches limits damage dealing capabilities. I really like Bruce Lee's application of Wing Chun in Jeet Kune Do. I love his fighting method book.
@supergnc i agree with you, WC is not for the ring, its designed to kill, gouge eyes out and kicks to the groin and throat grabs. I dont like bruce lees applications tho, its too flashy and does not follow certain principles WC is build on.
be you trash the entire video and everybody in it, i was wondering if anybody first thought these guys just might be beginners. i dont anybody who started out with perfect punching, or kicking. maybe they are competeing to see how much they have accomplished and how much more they have to achieve. sorry but i am just using common sense before i bash the hell out of someone
@remshot1998 thanks for the kind words sir.. all the best to you and yours.. and yes Ishaq was a begginer..this was his very first fight (inside or outside of the ring) and the other guy with the white pants has had over 25 fights in the ring
@Euwnt thanks for your input.. but I am very proud of all of my students and their progress.. but thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment on my video. all the best to you and yours Rahsun.
@sifurahsun in fact, every one has not same ability to learn, so dont take bad comments too serious, this is almost 3 years ago, if he still train wing chun he is much better, but if i can give you one advice, work on accuracy of technic and on rule ( that my sifu told me ) : never quit, if way forward is clear attack, never stop, never take step back, always forward before you let him fight in match.your students can earn bad habbits by this. but good work anyway. respect sifurahsun
Whats with the stance not square on, not meeting the attack, his guard keeps droping... once the boxer or kick boxer kicks, jump in with chain punchs. god damnit use ur damn tan or pac or use fa ging... also small steps no bui ma steps... too slow if not gen in the face then follow up with chain. if he trys to hook step back and follow up with chain punchs and use ur elbow strength!
I see some attempt at centre line and some hand technique but no stance. Against the TKD typical hand drop he should have been able to dominate with WC
That isn't wing chun. His stance is wrong and so is his punching. In wing chun you don't punch from the shoulders or fist. You punch from the elbow. I know it's a hard concept. But yeah.
@joaquinbellis You don't have to be a master to know t's wrong. You need only study the style to realize that it's really not very good Wing Chun if it can even be called Wing Chun
@zoltarkaken wtf what the hell do u consider wing chun since every attack is gonna move fluidly like some kung fu movie i think this guy did pretty good
@zoltarkaken I think they're just applying Wing Chun theories and calling the style Wing Chun. I guess there's a technical distinction between Wing Chun and MMA Wing Chun
Ambos son muy malos, seguro que son novatos los dos, así que se les perdona la falta de experiencia, pero el de Wing Chun le falta mucho, postura, velocidad, potencia; también instrucción en combate, no sabe que hacer en ciertos momentos.
I totally agree with the refs joice of winner. The kickboxers hits actually ment something while the wing chun guy just threw some farts into the air.
Like how the kick boxer didn't even land a solid kick and still won. Maybe if it was full contact, all those little hits might have changed the outcome for the shorts.
I say the box won because of superior foot work, wt just kept breaking his structure whenever the melee started. A shame really, otherwise he did pretty ok
@WingTsunPanda - I think the Wing Chun guy would have an advantage in a smaller ring.. the kickboxer guy would be less able to use ring craft to back off, evade and strike at distance
If you listen to the begging the anouncer says he's style is taekwondo and boxing so the title of the vid is wroung and he is sparring a tradionalist in wing chun.
fine at least not so much bullshit craptalk about Wing Chun on this video. Man I love MMA too, but sometimes their fans talk so disrespectful about other martial arts that it is a shame.
sport fighting isn't the same as street fighting, but doing one would definitely help the other--on a technique level and application level, and without a doubt on a mental level. if you're more experienced, you'll be more calm in fighting situations. calmness means less tense, less tension means more relaxed, more relaxed means faster striking and countering and better timing (not as jittery from nerves). Hey, nice job with the training here and the video.
my teacher has said, "if he doesn't try to hit you, then you can walk away". some styles really are more for self-defense. If I reach a certain level in my training, I might jump in an amateur bout just to see what I can do without hurting the guy too badly--and hopefully I could manage to not get hurt too badly, haha
another thought: we should remember that in competitive sports, the goal is to inflict the most damage upon your opponent before he does to you. this more aggressive mindset sometimes seems to compromise more reactionary styles like Wing Chun and the like. When we see WC guys chasing someone around the ring to score a punch or something. It's not "wrong" but it does compromise it on some level. however, you have to train as realistically as possible if you want to have any luck on the street.
lol you retards don't get it....wing chun is all about RESPECT....not who kicks who's ass chinese kung fu isn't just about combat but the mental health of the body as well
wing chun has oficiale been declared the best style in the world.
Now maybe it doesn't look so interesting or looks stupid.But its a perfect and fast simple and heavy punches absolutely no motion wasted(and it's hard and takes time to learn properly) THE INTERESTING PART IS THAT YOU CAN MIX IT A LITTLE WITH OTHER MOVES AS YOU DESIRE.
and the guy with the wing chun from the video is more like a beginner. because a wing chun fighter will kik a boxer ass easy.:)
@slashd yea, i agree with what you say mate, but this is a match not a Grading, and the fight went his way. Anyway it looked to me like the black guy needed to work on his footwork quite a bit.
who was the wing chun fighter? the guy in he white pants or black trunks? what are ? the principles of the system? gy in the white was straight up boxin'. homey in the black sort of maintained a stance but there was nothing on his shots.
Just a suggestion to the wing chun guy. Maybe just bring the guard in a little so not to give the opponent a lever and to work on time and ranging. Also work on your structure and force generation from the form. chu shong tin and wong shung lueng are 2 people I have gotten alot from but its down to the individual :-) Whatever works for you...
The great thing about wing chun is that it forces you to fight their style. Unless you do BJJ... but otherwise you pretty much have to fight close quarters.
@buddy2000529 - Wing Chunner's want to fight like brawlers, overwhelm their opponents. Nothing wrong with this but you open yourself up to counters. Here any time Ishaq tried to brawl the Karate kid forced Ishaq to chase him. As a result Ishaq got tagged. We can pick apart their fighting techniques but it wasn't Ishaq forcing his game on the Karate Kid. It was the other way around.
This is cool. you got WC guys and other martial artist working it out. You have to get out and fight/spar if you expect to learn how to apply and master the techniques. Theory is great, but only practice and experience will take you to the next level. Haters don't know what it takes--that's why they don't have respect. don't even sweat 'em.
Yeah I think too many people judge the effectivness of styles based on what they see in controlled demonstrations. All styles look cool in demonstrations but look different in real fights. This is why I think the UFC was a good thing. It's made training more realistic.
@CrowdPleeza yeah, UFC (especially in the early days) really opened everyone's eyes as to how to approach fight conditioning--I think style isn't really the issue, though some styles generally have an easier time in a sport setting than others. And that's not to say that they would suffer in a street setting either--probably the opposite. but I think everyone would benefit from a new "in the field" approach to their training like this.
hahaha i enjoyed this vid, i do TKD my self, world class tkd and its awesome and im pretty sure not alot of people could beat me by kicking, but im starting wing chun cause, 1. i love all martial arts, 2. ip man 1,2,3,4 made me like it even more and i need close combat training, WING CHUN RULES
pretty good for his first time. He manage to make most of the match a fist fight which is what is best for wing chun I think and he keeps pressing forward which i think is brilliant, because I see most wing chun beginngers dont press forward and they eat alot of kicks. I just think he needs to ultilise more bon sou (which in my personal experience I find very effective) and some more wing chun kicks in punching range
Iv trained in WC for a few years, I agree we should support one another. I though the wing chun fighter did a good job for his first fight. there are a few things i noticed which may help,1. the lack of chain punch being use (or i just didnt see it) which may of turned the tide on this kick boxer 2. to much walking around in circles-advance straight dont waste time walking around -make the other fella do all the walking and take the fight to him. but otherwize a good start.
@sifurahsun hey...i learn wing chun as well ^^ but...honestly....im a self trainer...fucking out right? :(
i dont find any other on my country teach wing chun...so i watch all youtube tutorials..and all...and i started practicing...but you know? it WORKS :D
@jiersk Just remember that you will not be able to use your full potencial of wing chun in any ring legaly, that is why you never will see a true wing chun guy in mma or other sport, because it is not a sport...
@WolfH3 LOOOOOOL...damn fuck! That is really ridicolous. Shit, there ARE no rules in UFC, etc. If you grab groins, the opponent can do too. There are NO mystic secrte kicks, grabs etc in WC. THAT is pathetic CRAP. Same as esoteric nonsense.And its no sport? yea indeed. Its obviously some sort of brain fucking indoctrination. And shit , YES, I KNOW what i am talking bout. Was in one of the 1st WC-schools here about 22 yrs ago.
@jiersk No quit wing chun its useless only wing chun users think so because they have wasted there lives learning it. Learn muay thai,jiu jitsu,boxing,judo something useful lol
@jiersk always, Wing chun is efficient...but mix it with kali-escrima, muay thai, bjj and judo...and you will be a lean, mean, killing machine....good luck....and welcome Warrior!!!!
@jiersk Yeap, if you focus on cage fighting, MMA, etc. it´s OK. But, if you focus on streetwise survival and fighting, grappling is limited (i.g. when fighting several attackers armed or unarmed). There´s little space for submissions in real life. Personally, I was attacked by a gang, and all you do is natural. No fancy moves, no flashy kicks, no macho-like poses or complicated grappling techniques. Simple,effective, no-nonsense, self-defense! It´s a jungle out there!
@jiersk These guys were attacking my family.Luckily I took them down.I´m grateful to my MA training. I was touching my body looking for cuts or bullit holes, since my body was covered with blood. It was theirs. But, you just react in a split second. No pre-planned fight or competition rules. Expect the worse, prepare diligently for that, and you will survive.
@jiersk These guys were attacking my family.Luckily I took them down.I´m grateful to my MA training. I was touching my body looking for cuts or bullit holes, since my body was covered with blood. It was theirs. But, you just react in a split second. No pre-planned fight or competition rules. Expect the worst, prepare diligently for that, and you will survive.
@iApna Sorry to be part of your simple generalization. I respect and practice MMA (by its rules). I never said that MMA is limited to grappling. I said grappling is limited, in a real street fight, against multiple attackers with weapons (any). As a contact sport, MMA is just that a: mix. I don´t see many Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, Sambo,TKD, Karate, or Greco-Roman wrestling practicioners ready to abandon their styles and blindly embrace MMA. It´s a great sport, don´t get me wrong.
@Volgeblanc - I practice both Muay-Thai and MMA. Both we practice with rules for competition and not rules. In Muay-Thai there are many rules, but 2 weeks ago we were trained to dislocate shoulders and opponents jaw. In MMA we are trained to to choke out the opponent. Great, but then we also learned how to break our opponents neck.
MMA is great for multiple attackers because it includes striking from boxing/Muay-Thai in most cases.
@iApna The misconception people have is that every single street fight involves ferocious attacks like ripping out eyes and throat. Thats totally not true. Most street fights simply are fists and feet, some grappling.
A person who takes self defence classes 4 nights a week v a pro fighter who fights for living, 90% chance the pro fighter will win. It doesnt matter that the self defence person learns eye gouges, he simply will not be hardened enough to withstand the pro fighters strikes.,
I just got a great book called UNARMED COMBAT by martin j dougherty whos a former SAS soldier. sas is like the uk version of navy seals. Real hardcore soldiers.
In this book, he listed the martial arts he deemed as best for self defence. Kickboxing, muay thai, bjj, jujitsu, judo and boxing. People can get this book if they want. Real good book too :)
@iApna Glad to hear that you went from rules to non-rules approach to fighting. That makes it more realistic. I also like your sense of humor, I´ve never been called a "noob". Maybe is part of your psychological insecurities, calling people names and prejudging. I won´t go into many details. I´ve been training in Muay Thai in the Lana Tradition for 20 years and in BJJ with the late Master Carlson Gracie (I earned my Black belt), I´ve been a Hand-to.Hand and Small Weapons Combat Instructor.
@iApna in the special forces of my country for more than 25 years. Please understand , I won´t call you names like "noob" or "troll". Simply put, it´s not in my nature. I prefer to respect your skills, as far as reality is concerned and exchange with you real experiences. Wish you good luck with your training.
@Volgeblanc - So you don't think its insulting that you blatantly telling the public Grappling is limited in a real street. Grappling can be used against multiple attackers including attackers with weapons. Depends on how you use it. MMA can include weapons training if you like as well. MMA is adaptable to any circumstance. But obviously you did not do you research and decided to tell us your uneducated opinion. What type of reaction were you hoping for?
@iApna No, I don´t think so. I you feel offended, I sincerely apologize. I sense in your words anger, hate and fear. Have you seen your shrink lately? Take care. Worst enemy is within!
@Volgeblanc - Well I stand-by my thoughts and you're a noob. If you feel insulted because I called you a Noob you're the one that needs a bit of help. Calling you a noob is an accurate description of your display of MMA and grappling knowledge. Re-read our thread and you will see how you reacted to my words of calling you a Noob.
@iApna I stand by my thoughts as well: Your psychopathic behavior is evident. You´re delusional and paranoid. The only place were you obtain some form of gratification is on expressing your hate through the keyboard. Probably you were abused as a child, molested and your fixation towards your so-called-knowledge, it´s a hidden manner of anal repression, that exemplifies your need to get attention. If you´re not happy let it out. Come out of the closet. Be all you can be : a functional psycho!
@Volgeblanc - Thank-you for helping me make my point loud and clear. Listen to yourself. If anyone needs a bit of help here it's you. You escalated your tone from zero to mad man in a few posts. Btw.. Thank-you for your self-reflection. If this is your only way of communicating your childhood sexual abuse then good on you for taking the first step. But don't get your panties in a bunch Noob!!
i didnt see any wing chun moves..
guglimugli 5 days ago
He don't fight like ip man
KingFreakAce 2 weeks ago
@KingFreakAce That's probably because this is real life.
jbrandonf 1 week ago
WC fighter needs to work on footwork and leg jams.Techniques are found in the forms and one just needs to be adaptive. WC's forte is attack by drawing in, then close in. Sometimes WC fighter needs to close in simultaenously with the oncoming kick to jam effectively, which also puts himself into the WC's comfort zone - the trapping range. WC's unique techniques work best by tactile reaction - the gloves inhibited that. Traditional WC doesn't train enough on countering hooks so need to improvise.
KaceChang 2 weeks ago
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speedykicks 4 weeks ago
and also the fighter in black is good ill give him that but if he added some more head movement while hes throwing those straight strikes hed be golden instead of wading in.
jstrongjaw 1 month ago
i feel like the fighter in white woulda have been more productive with straightkicks to the chest. the fighter in black was leaving himself open alot.
jstrongjaw 1 month ago
@ssMajor825 you must be an expert...you should make some videos showing how it's really done
good luck
Alesandros356 1 month ago
that WC man got some skills....if he would just stop trying to climb his enemies defence he would be awesome
Alesandros356 1 month ago
nice, wing chuns realy effective for street fighting but not so much for competition due to rules
bloodyturkey123 1 month ago 2
@bloodyturkey123 it all depence on the person
Alesandros356 1 month ago
Good job Ishaq! This was a good fight. I personally do Shotokan Karate, but this has helped me learn more about what W.C. can do against an opponent. I still believe that if there had been no ref, W.C. would have ended it. Not saying that wing chun is the superior martial art, or that karate is, but Ishaq could have chained punched his throat. And the karate was fair, but not great... But hey, remember what they say! It's not the martial art that wins, it's the Martial Artist!!
colorinthemoon 1 month ago
Wing Tsun would have won if there was no ref
potterman210 1 month ago
you got to wonder who really does study marital arts in the comments. Reply by saying what marital arts you do study. Student of Tae kwon do, Tai chi chuan and Jeet kune do
banjo13th 2 months ago
@banjo13th as long as they don't start dissing the fighters if they got no experience themselves.....if you fight you will know that fighting is much harder than it looks
Alesandros356 1 month ago
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MyNhikz1 2 months ago
very good for a first fight :D
yarokyan 2 months ago
good job. seems like a fighter in making to me. remember people, no ones going to be a master in a few years. it'll take a whole life time to master something.
heshin117 2 months ago
good fight
Sknoob728 2 months ago
the wing chung guy is not intercepting in order to strike , he is only demostraighting that he can reach inside and open him self up for attack...
atolliver91 2 months ago
Karate fighter won hands down, this Wing Chun fighter is shit, he's all over the place.
trunkzdbz 2 months ago
this sucks
tytuphon 2 months ago
I don't know about kick boxing.. But this nothing about win chun.. I can kick both of this guys ass
mahinthan5 3 months ago
This Wing Chun fighter is shit.
CalebMartialArts 3 months ago
@liotta75 if u go to the right wing chun school they will teach you the full course, and youll know what I meen if you figure it out... Wing Chun is not just bout fighting, but also, wing chun teaches u black palm of death, it scarry, one slap and u kill em
CalebMartialArts 3 months ago
It made me so happy to see that even today, people like you are willing to take wing chin and make it a part of your life. Best of luck to you in all future bouts.
kenshinbattousai374 4 months ago
is this the guy that filmed cloverfield ??
screwback72 4 months ago
2:01 was great reaction, thats the main thing wing chun fighters have over other styles, reaction time
AsG1989 4 months ago
That was a good fight to me. Well done boys
kleofaz 5 months ago
Good fight! what Wing Chun school does he train at? I would like to learn Wing Chun...I've studied BJJ for a long time but never really studied any stand up fight cause there are so many schools out there I dont know which one to pic...lol..but Ive always had my eye on Wing Chun...it looks simple and direct..
liotta75 5 months ago 5
@liotta75 he trains traditional wing chun .. and I am his teacher :)
sifurahsun 5 months ago
@sifurahsun are you asian???
Azianboio 4 months ago
@sifurahsun
where is your school located?
willokong 1 month ago
wing chun all about keeping in the centre line and that black man not doing that
vincent7125 4 months ago
i don't understand why people are talking bad about the wing chun guy... He seemed absolutly great to me. I saw him put large amounts of pressure and i never saw a punch go through his guard. Plus... he as fighting a guy much larger than him and if this wasn't in a ring... i no who the instant winner would be
EBB47 5 months ago
Like the fight, the guy did well for a first fight, he didn't back out, I studied Wing Chun, Karate and BJJ but first started inWing Chun, the wing chun guys hand movement is already good, he needs to work on kicks and body movement, when fighting a karate guy he needs to stay real close to take away the usefullness of kicks, use of elbows would have been nice, from the Kararte guys point of view to beat a Wing Chun guy he needs to stay outside use kicks and kisk the legs, but he did good!!!
danvanbelk1 6 months ago
It looks like a regular fight
williemetoyer1 7 months ago
which karate style is this?
missing high kicks and more distance to the opponent..
but only differences to what i would to as a shotokan..
good fight i think, go on
greets from germany
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justhuntednevergot 7 months ago
I give them credit. They both climbed into the ring. Even at their levels. If they continue...with the right teaching, they will improve. The fighter in black (the W.C fighter) would always return or at least try to return to the fundimentals that he knew. To me that's the signs of a good fighter in the making. He maintained faith and belief in the style and system in which he was fighting.....What a way to start.....Cooke
larrycancooke2 7 months ago 4
@larrycancooke2 thanks for the kind words sir. all the best to you and yours.
sifurahsun 7 months ago
@larrycancooke2
Wing Chun, just like any other martial art, encompasses only one aspect of fighting. Techniques are linear in nature and the system is simple. If a Wing Chun fighter is caught in a situation in which they can't use their usual arsenal, it is only natural that they should step out of their Wing Chun mindset to defend or attack as necessary and move back into their comfort zone when they're able. In other words, I wouldn't fault a student for dropping his technique if he had to.
IMBW89 7 months ago
@IMBW89
True...I've done it many times...but I believe he is on the right path with the right frame of mind...Peace be upon them both
larrycancooke2 6 months ago
I see very little WC in this fight. What is the lineage here?
IamDarkStar2012 7 months ago
I might have been a bit too direct, i believe in positive critisism and didnt mean to offend any Sifu teaching the good ways of the WC branches. Well here goes: Centerline, keep working on it, there is no need to move unless your not on the outside of your opponent (to disable as many tools as possible). Keep teaching him but please teach him more about his centerline before putting him in the ring.
Euwnt 7 months ago
Where was his centerline sidesteps? Where were the traps and kicks of wing chun? The guy in white began trying to fight the guy in blacks fight. Trying to use more handstrikes but he's claiming Tae kwon do and kickboxing. He should have used his legs A LOT more to keep distance. They both have a long way to go in thier training.
masterraymondtorres 7 months ago
I think in a ring fight, Wing Chun by itself is a little limited, as it's effectiveness lies in it's ability to end a street situation in close quarters quickly. In a ring fight, stamina can become an issue as the opponent has all kinds of room. Combine padded gloves with the opponent's ability to move backward away from chain punches limits damage dealing capabilities. I really like Bruce Lee's application of Wing Chun in Jeet Kune Do. I love his fighting method book.
supergnc 7 months ago
@supergnc i agree with you, WC is not for the ring, its designed to kill, gouge eyes out and kicks to the groin and throat grabs. I dont like bruce lees applications tho, its too flashy and does not follow certain principles WC is build on.
Euwnt 7 months ago
be you trash the entire video and everybody in it, i was wondering if anybody first thought these guys just might be beginners. i dont anybody who started out with perfect punching, or kicking. maybe they are competeing to see how much they have accomplished and how much more they have to achieve. sorry but i am just using common sense before i bash the hell out of someone
remshot1998 7 months ago 2
@remshot1998 thanks for the kind words sir.. all the best to you and yours.. and yes Ishaq was a begginer..this was his very first fight (inside or outside of the ring) and the other guy with the white pants has had over 25 fights in the ring
sifurahsun 7 months ago
the black guy has either a very bad teacher or is a very bad student ;)
trying to implement flashy movements and lots of motion with a halfassed centerline. no sorry :)
Euwnt 8 months ago
@Euwnt thanks for your input.. but I am very proud of all of my students and their progress.. but thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment on my video. all the best to you and yours Rahsun.
sifurahsun 7 months ago 2
@sifurahsun in fact, every one has not same ability to learn, so dont take bad comments too serious, this is almost 3 years ago, if he still train wing chun he is much better, but if i can give you one advice, work on accuracy of technic and on rule ( that my sifu told me ) : never quit, if way forward is clear attack, never stop, never take step back, always forward before you let him fight in match.your students can earn bad habbits by this. but good work anyway. respect sifurahsun
BojislavPushka 5 months ago
@Euwnt Those "flashy" moves won the fight.
TheBigDead0ne 6 months ago
2:01 wow, nice ground fighting skills here, the guy in white surprised me
LionsTheKingOfCojons 8 months ago
He just trying to apply wingchun in tournament, there is nothing wrong within
Chienshan2008 8 months ago
apparently black people cant wing chun worth dick.
Pacha2Furr 8 months ago
Whats with the stance not square on, not meeting the attack, his guard keeps droping... once the boxer or kick boxer kicks, jump in with chain punchs. god damnit use ur damn tan or pac or use fa ging... also small steps no bui ma steps... too slow if not gen in the face then follow up with chain. if he trys to hook step back and follow up with chain punchs and use ur elbow strength!
powerpigg1 8 months ago
I see some attempt at centre line and some hand technique but no stance. Against the TKD typical hand drop he should have been able to dominate with WC
khorson 8 months ago 2
Wing chun like yip man did!!
NIGGA6669 8 months ago
That isn't wing chun. His stance is wrong and so is his punching. In wing chun you don't punch from the shoulders or fist. You punch from the elbow. I know it's a hard concept. But yeah.
rlrg808 8 months ago
@joaquinbellis You don't have to be a master to know t's wrong. You need only study the style to realize that it's really not very good Wing Chun if it can even be called Wing Chun
sickness324 9 months ago
this is terrible there not doing wing shun or karate their just boxing
zoltarkaken 9 months ago
@zoltarkaken wtf what the hell do u consider wing chun since every attack is gonna move fluidly like some kung fu movie i think this guy did pretty good
blackeroni 9 months ago
@blackeroni whing chun is force the enemies power againist them there not doing that
zoltarkaken 9 months ago
@zoltarkaken I think they're just applying Wing Chun theories and calling the style Wing Chun. I guess there's a technical distinction between Wing Chun and MMA Wing Chun
sickness324 9 months ago
he can't wing chun
boonprasert29 9 months ago
Ambos son muy malos, seguro que son novatos los dos, así que se les perdona la falta de experiencia, pero el de Wing Chun le falta mucho, postura, velocidad, potencia; también instrucción en combate, no sabe que hacer en ciertos momentos.
ParaguayImagen 9 months ago
I totally agree with the refs joice of winner. The kickboxers hits actually ment something while the wing chun guy just threw some farts into the air.
MrMasterlexiol 9 months ago
Learn to use a camara?
MrMasterlexiol 9 months ago
Like how the kick boxer didn't even land a solid kick and still won. Maybe if it was full contact, all those little hits might have changed the outcome for the shorts.
Ivegotwo 9 months ago
I like part 2:07
way15126 9 months ago
if thats wing chun al the girls in the hood use that style .dude in the shorts got whipped
MrRamdogg 9 months ago
looks like a fight at the DPS!
djmoua 9 months ago
Wing Chun dude should have won...
TheDanobot 9 months ago
Dudes pretty damn good at wing chun.. I love it!
TheDanobot 9 months ago
I say the box won because of superior foot work, wt just kept breaking his structure whenever the melee started. A shame really, otherwise he did pretty ok
deathing 9 months ago
@WingTsunPanda Ugh, I guess you're right about it. I'm really satisfied about your explanation, my apologies.
reddevil1024 10 months ago
@WingTsunPanda I'm 100% sure that wing chun is based on punch technique.
reddevil1024 10 months ago
come one just one hook and its over!
rootiest 10 months ago
@WingTsunPanda - I understand what you mean but do you know of any videos (not demos) which so this principle in action?
henh32 10 months ago
@WingTsunPanda - I think the Wing Chun guy would have an advantage in a smaller ring.. the kickboxer guy would be less able to use ring craft to back off, evade and strike at distance
henh32 10 months ago
If you listen to the begging the anouncer says he's style is taekwondo and boxing so the title of the vid is wroung and he is sparring a tradionalist in wing chun.
lococavasa 10 months ago
wing chun is gay trust me with this low guard i cant catch a simple fast head kick..
Chocho5983 10 months ago
fine at least not so much bullshit craptalk about Wing Chun on this video. Man I love MMA too, but sometimes their fans talk so disrespectful about other martial arts that it is a shame.
jomushin7 10 months ago
He must put pressure on the karateka and fight at mid close range
criceto 10 months ago
kids cant fight for shit
aydemirbeslenay 10 months ago
im a binweevil
binweevilpoisoncobra 10 months ago
sport fighting isn't the same as street fighting, but doing one would definitely help the other--on a technique level and application level, and without a doubt on a mental level. if you're more experienced, you'll be more calm in fighting situations. calmness means less tense, less tension means more relaxed, more relaxed means faster striking and countering and better timing (not as jittery from nerves). Hey, nice job with the training here and the video.
vaumbee 10 months ago
my teacher has said, "if he doesn't try to hit you, then you can walk away". some styles really are more for self-defense. If I reach a certain level in my training, I might jump in an amateur bout just to see what I can do without hurting the guy too badly--and hopefully I could manage to not get hurt too badly, haha
vaumbee 10 months ago
another thought: we should remember that in competitive sports, the goal is to inflict the most damage upon your opponent before he does to you. this more aggressive mindset sometimes seems to compromise more reactionary styles like Wing Chun and the like. When we see WC guys chasing someone around the ring to score a punch or something. It's not "wrong" but it does compromise it on some level. however, you have to train as realistically as possible if you want to have any luck on the street.
vaumbee 10 months ago
dont know why you would wear gloves for wing chun, would be harder to grab and chops wouldnt be must effective.. good one tho keep it upp
peace
OVARONE 10 months ago
both of them are lowbobs, i am 16 years old and i am on the second dan in taekwondo
but what the fuck is this shit of pushing?
you must be faster and more kicks
MrGayflo 10 months ago
hahahahaaaa
ohlalaale 10 months ago
2 important things. No rules to fighting. Common sense.
ahmedistight 10 months ago
lol you retards don't get it....wing chun is all about RESPECT....not who kicks who's ass chinese kung fu isn't just about combat but the mental health of the body as well
RuneScapeSweatshop 10 months ago
If you put foot in the middle of the legs its hard for enemy to do footwork and thats where you take your enemy off balance..
Eye8UrWaffle 11 months ago
a foot between the legs helps :P
Eye8UrWaffle 11 months ago
Watch IP Man movie 2008, awesome Wing Chun movie based on Ip Chun.
AdamGreenleaf 11 months ago
this is really... WEIRD Wing Chun .. :l
Sanchezo953 11 months ago
they guy holding the camera is a tard.
and srry but this is no wing chun, just a few moves of it. the guy is constantly out of ballance and attacks way to much
freddyshutsupforever 11 months ago
wing chun has oficiale been declared the best style in the world.
Now maybe it doesn't look so interesting or looks stupid.But its a perfect and fast simple and heavy punches absolutely no motion wasted(and it's hard and takes time to learn properly) THE INTERESTING PART IS THAT YOU CAN MIX IT A LITTLE WITH OTHER MOVES AS YOU DESIRE.
and the guy with the wing chun from the video is more like a beginner. because a wing chun fighter will kik a boxer ass easy.:)
ysergiu 11 months ago
those precision punching didn't look that powerful but really took a toll on his opponent and won him the match, i gotta try that next time i fight
AbramVersion1 11 months ago
The white guy only has karate/Taekwondo. He has zero kickboxing skills.
reasons:
- he throws haymakers instead of short powerful straight and hooks.
- he doesn't use uppercuts
- he sticks his chin out, no sane (kick)boxer would do that
- he keeps his defense low, even when they're in clinching range, no sane (kick)boxer would do that (unless they know how to slip a punch of course).
So the title is wrong, and the white karate guy is an amateur.
slashd 11 months ago
@slashd yea, i agree with what you say mate, but this is a match not a Grading, and the fight went his way. Anyway it looked to me like the black guy needed to work on his footwork quite a bit.
ghostlyredfox 11 months ago
what was with that stance i didn't see any grounding from that black guy
MrCaptainswank 11 months ago 2
great stuff
jessedean87 11 months ago
who was the wing chun fighter? the guy in he white pants or black trunks? what are ? the principles of the system? gy in the white was straight up boxin'. homey in the black sort of maintained a stance but there was nothing on his shots.
havdaironman 1 year ago
nice fight
AressiYashiroB 1 year ago
Just a suggestion to the wing chun guy. Maybe just bring the guard in a little so not to give the opponent a lever and to work on time and ranging. Also work on your structure and force generation from the form. chu shong tin and wong shung lueng are 2 people I have gotten alot from but its down to the individual :-) Whatever works for you...
silverchinchilla007 1 year ago
The great thing about wing chun is that it forces you to fight their style. Unless you do BJJ... but otherwise you pretty much have to fight close quarters.
buddy2000529 1 year ago
@buddy2000529 - Wing Chunner's want to fight like brawlers, overwhelm their opponents. Nothing wrong with this but you open yourself up to counters. Here any time Ishaq tried to brawl the Karate kid forced Ishaq to chase him. As a result Ishaq got tagged. We can pick apart their fighting techniques but it wasn't Ishaq forcing his game on the Karate Kid. It was the other way around.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna If you can make them fight your game though. :)
buddy2000529 1 year ago
it is dont look like real wing chun, this guy moves too much, and we all now that non wing chun master move so much!!!
SaAage1 1 year ago
Camera man sucks!
NoMindSchool 1 year ago
bravely fought
Cheatachild 1 year ago
This is cool. you got WC guys and other martial artist working it out. You have to get out and fight/spar if you expect to learn how to apply and master the techniques. Theory is great, but only practice and experience will take you to the next level. Haters don't know what it takes--that's why they don't have respect. don't even sweat 'em.
vombie 1 year ago
@vombie
Yeah I think too many people judge the effectivness of styles based on what they see in controlled demonstrations. All styles look cool in demonstrations but look different in real fights. This is why I think the UFC was a good thing. It's made training more realistic.
CrowdPleeza 10 months ago
@CrowdPleeza yeah, UFC (especially in the early days) really opened everyone's eyes as to how to approach fight conditioning--I think style isn't really the issue, though some styles generally have an easier time in a sport setting than others. And that's not to say that they would suffer in a street setting either--probably the opposite. but I think everyone would benefit from a new "in the field" approach to their training like this.
vaumbee 10 months ago
That is SOoooo.....not wing chun......
MrChubbyDudez 1 year ago
@MrChubbyDudez
Have you seen other WC fighters spar against other fiighters? If so what did their fighting look like compared to this?
CrowdPleeza 10 months ago
sifu rahsun this is not wing chun that you teach
ggtteeoo 1 year ago
dont see any wing tsun..
simsli123 1 year ago
did the wing chun guy learn all three of the wing chun form or is this still siu lim tao?
fightmate 1 year ago
i started wing chun not very long ago it is awsome
DKskillzz 1 year ago
did a woman film this
asthenia166 1 year ago
lose me abit
ZhunLoveTaeyeon 1 year ago
Your Wing Shun was a Failure your stands was wrong and your so was the movement
anc0408 1 year ago
Im sorry i also have to say this rather is like boxing with jik chun chuie...
AkatsukiMorningDawn 1 year ago
hahaha i enjoyed this vid, i do TKD my self, world class tkd and its awesome and im pretty sure not alot of people could beat me by kicking, but im starting wing chun cause, 1. i love all martial arts, 2. ip man 1,2,3,4 made me like it even more and i need close combat training, WING CHUN RULES
TheChowder09 1 year ago
what a shit fight you do not no how to use wing chun well !
reynolds169a 1 year ago
WC is the ancient form of bitch slapping. lol worthy
friskyfixedit 1 year ago
I have to say........ the WC dude rushes too much and loses his stance. He shouldn't lunge forward too much......
666Jackdevil666 1 year ago
pretty good for his first time. He manage to make most of the match a fist fight which is what is best for wing chun I think and he keeps pressing forward which i think is brilliant, because I see most wing chun beginngers dont press forward and they eat alot of kicks. I just think he needs to ultilise more bon sou (which in my personal experience I find very effective) and some more wing chun kicks in punching range
BerserkN00b 1 year ago
FAILED
pimppappi702 1 year ago
Iv trained in WC for a few years, I agree we should support one another. I though the wing chun fighter did a good job for his first fight. there are a few things i noticed which may help,1. the lack of chain punch being use (or i just didnt see it) which may of turned the tide on this kick boxer 2. to much walking around in circles-advance straight dont waste time walking around -make the other fella do all the walking and take the fight to him. but otherwize a good start.
rangas23 1 year ago
im a kickboxer. and if there is one thing i love its wing chung, the hand speed play well into timing. very good fight keep up the videos!
MikeMMA93 1 year ago
i'm new to wing chun. i like it and should i keep praticing? i mean to be a good fighter
jiersk 1 year ago 5
@jiersk yes! and welcome to the wing chun family :))
sifurahsun 1 year ago
@sifurahsun oke thanks :)
jiersk 1 year ago
@sifurahsun hey...i learn wing chun as well ^^ but...honestly....im a self trainer...fucking out right? :(
i dont find any other on my country teach wing chun...so i watch all youtube tutorials..and all...and i started practicing...but you know? it WORKS :D
meow91able 10 months ago
@jiersk dude i say yes. its always good to know martial arts. keep it up man!
MikeMMA93 1 year ago
@jiersk i am trening 4 years wing chun and is awesome,dont stop it,you will see that is very good style
Krallify 1 year ago
@jiersk Just remember that you will not be able to use your full potencial of wing chun in any ring legaly, that is why you never will see a true wing chun guy in mma or other sport, because it is not a sport...
WolfH3 1 year ago
@WolfH3 LOOOOOOL...damn fuck! That is really ridicolous. Shit, there ARE no rules in UFC, etc. If you grab groins, the opponent can do too. There are NO mystic secrte kicks, grabs etc in WC. THAT is pathetic CRAP. Same as esoteric nonsense.And its no sport? yea indeed. Its obviously some sort of brain fucking indoctrination. And shit , YES, I KNOW what i am talking bout. Was in one of the 1st WC-schools here about 22 yrs ago.
RodrigoBorgia 1 year ago
@jiersk this is NOT real wing chun.........
ggtteeoo 1 year ago
@jiersk
Watch Ip Man (the movie) and you'll get all the motivation you need.
yakooza 1 year ago
@jiersk No quit wing chun its useless only wing chun users think so because they have wasted there lives learning it. Learn muay thai,jiu jitsu,boxing,judo something useful lol
lilsm555 1 year ago
@jiersk Not only welcome to the Wing Chun family, welcome to the world of martial rts in general.
Caveman1213 1 year ago
@jiersk always, Wing chun is efficient...but mix it with kali-escrima, muay thai, bjj and judo...and you will be a lean, mean, killing machine....good luck....and welcome Warrior!!!!
Volgeblanc 1 year ago
@Volgeblanc Ok, sometimes my sifu learns us MMA too, thats good too right?
jiersk 1 year ago
@jiersk Yeap, if you focus on cage fighting, MMA, etc. it´s OK. But, if you focus on streetwise survival and fighting, grappling is limited (i.g. when fighting several attackers armed or unarmed). There´s little space for submissions in real life. Personally, I was attacked by a gang, and all you do is natural. No fancy moves, no flashy kicks, no macho-like poses or complicated grappling techniques. Simple,effective, no-nonsense, self-defense! It´s a jungle out there!
Volgeblanc 1 year ago
@Volgeblanc how did that fight end?
jiersk 1 year ago
@jiersk These guys were attacking my family.Luckily I took them down.I´m grateful to my MA training. I was touching my body looking for cuts or bullit holes, since my body was covered with blood. It was theirs. But, you just react in a split second. No pre-planned fight or competition rules. Expect the worse, prepare diligently for that, and you will survive.
Volgeblanc 11 months ago
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@jiersk These guys were attacking my family.Luckily I took them down.I´m grateful to my MA training. I was touching my body looking for cuts or bullit holes, since my body was covered with blood. It was theirs. But, you just react in a split second. No pre-planned fight or competition rules. Expect the worst, prepare diligently for that, and you will survive.
Volgeblanc 11 months ago
@Volgeblanc - Why do Wing Chun guys think MMA is limited to grappling? Its not! First try to understand what MMA is.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna Sorry to be part of your simple generalization. I respect and practice MMA (by its rules). I never said that MMA is limited to grappling. I said grappling is limited, in a real street fight, against multiple attackers with weapons (any). As a contact sport, MMA is just that a: mix. I don´t see many Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, Sambo,TKD, Karate, or Greco-Roman wrestling practicioners ready to abandon their styles and blindly embrace MMA. It´s a great sport, don´t get me wrong.
Volgeblanc 11 months ago
@Volgeblanc - I practice both Muay-Thai and MMA. Both we practice with rules for competition and not rules. In Muay-Thai there are many rules, but 2 weeks ago we were trained to dislocate shoulders and opponents jaw. In MMA we are trained to to choke out the opponent. Great, but then we also learned how to break our opponents neck.
MMA is great for multiple attackers because it includes striking from boxing/Muay-Thai in most cases.
Example: /watch?v=ULRglCQLmDs
You noobs make me laugh.
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna The misconception people have is that every single street fight involves ferocious attacks like ripping out eyes and throat. Thats totally not true. Most street fights simply are fists and feet, some grappling.
A person who takes self defence classes 4 nights a week v a pro fighter who fights for living, 90% chance the pro fighter will win. It doesnt matter that the self defence person learns eye gouges, he simply will not be hardened enough to withstand the pro fighters strikes.,
womblewandering 11 months ago
@iApna
I just got a great book called UNARMED COMBAT by martin j dougherty whos a former SAS soldier. sas is like the uk version of navy seals. Real hardcore soldiers.
In this book, he listed the martial arts he deemed as best for self defence. Kickboxing, muay thai, bjj, jujitsu, judo and boxing. People can get this book if they want. Real good book too :)
womblewandering 11 months ago
@iApna Glad to hear that you went from rules to non-rules approach to fighting. That makes it more realistic. I also like your sense of humor, I´ve never been called a "noob". Maybe is part of your psychological insecurities, calling people names and prejudging. I won´t go into many details. I´ve been training in Muay Thai in the Lana Tradition for 20 years and in BJJ with the late Master Carlson Gracie (I earned my Black belt), I´ve been a Hand-to.Hand and Small Weapons Combat Instructor.
Volgeblanc 11 months ago
@iApna in the special forces of my country for more than 25 years. Please understand , I won´t call you names like "noob" or "troll". Simply put, it´s not in my nature. I prefer to respect your skills, as far as reality is concerned and exchange with you real experiences. Wish you good luck with your training.
Volgeblanc 11 months ago
@Volgeblanc - So you don't think its insulting that you blatantly telling the public Grappling is limited in a real street. Grappling can be used against multiple attackers including attackers with weapons. Depends on how you use it. MMA can include weapons training if you like as well. MMA is adaptable to any circumstance. But obviously you did not do you research and decided to tell us your uneducated opinion. What type of reaction were you hoping for?
Here is a video of the US Army:
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna No, I don´t think so. I you feel offended, I sincerely apologize. I sense in your words anger, hate and fear. Have you seen your shrink lately? Take care. Worst enemy is within!
Volgeblanc 11 months ago
@Volgeblanc - Well I stand-by my thoughts and you're a noob. If you feel insulted because I called you a Noob you're the one that needs a bit of help. Calling you a noob is an accurate description of your display of MMA and grappling knowledge. Re-read our thread and you will see how you reacted to my words of calling you a Noob.
Good luck to you. You're gonna need it!
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna I stand by my thoughts as well: Your psychopathic behavior is evident. You´re delusional and paranoid. The only place were you obtain some form of gratification is on expressing your hate through the keyboard. Probably you were abused as a child, molested and your fixation towards your so-called-knowledge, it´s a hidden manner of anal repression, that exemplifies your need to get attention. If you´re not happy let it out. Come out of the closet. Be all you can be : a functional psycho!
Volgeblanc 11 months ago
@Volgeblanc - Thank-you for helping me make my point loud and clear. Listen to yourself. If anyone needs a bit of help here it's you. You escalated your tone from zero to mad man in a few posts. Btw.. Thank-you for your self-reflection. If this is your only way of communicating your childhood sexual abuse then good on you for taking the first step. But don't get your panties in a bunch Noob!!
iApna 11 months ago
@iApna volgeblanc is right. your'e clearly a nut.
ghostlyredfox 11 months ago
@jiersk
just remember don't limit yourself to 1 style
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
@jiersk Welcome Wing Chun Brother/Sister.
saraberges 10 months ago
didn't look like wing chun to me
Sanghoma 1 year ago