This has been discussed at length.If you understand the basic principle of pulling a vacuum to fill the upper aquarium, unless something "breaks" the vacuum, the water stays in.Not black magic, not even elementary Bat Logic, just basic principles of vacuum induced aquaria.
No air pump on system now.The vacuum pump removes air from the top of the aquarium and 3 6mm holes on the back just on the water level of the bottom aquarium allow air to be drawn in.I use a refrigeration process timer to let the vac pump run 3 minutes per hour.Not as complicated or expensive as it may sound.I intend to do a clip detailing how to set up the process timer.Check my other videos for more visual detail as to how the air is drawn in.
im assuming that in your video you have used a air pump to make bubbles.
if an air stone can be placed at the bottom of the tank with its outlet hanging outside the water and when the vacuum turned on, will that create the bubbling effect?
is there any way that the vacuum and an air stone can be placed to create a bubbling effect without any air pump?
I've had a "Pond Clear" UV algae remover collecting dust for 8 years after I scrapped my first pond.Replaced the light and set it up on my linked inverted and regular aquariums.The water is crystal clear now.The aquariums sit under a "pergola" but catch the sun early and late in the day.
Question: If you glued a normal little air pump inside the glass at the top, and the air stone connected to this pump was positioned at the lower end to only allowed the air to flow up back to where it was just pumped down, would this get rid of the need to have an airtight hole drilled in the top glass and the connectors?
The reason I ask my question above is - In the setup above we see that you always have to bring new air into the tank, then get rid of that same air too.
I want to have a more closed system.
I want a system that you never have to bring in new air so you never have to find a way to get rid of any air.
you cant do that, because fish need oxygen, like us, and if the same air is cycled over and over again Then the oxygen will be all used up and the fish will suffocate within a matter of hours. Ever heard of CO2 poisoning?
an air pump and air stone dont actully put much air into the water anyway, the bubbles move the water and this movement brings fresh water into the tall tank from the lower. So thats why there is no chance of CO2 poisoning.
The vacuum pump is very simple to prepare.Find an old refrigerator that has been discarded.Remove the compressor, and connect the "phase" and "neutral" to where you remove the supply from the fridge.If it runs, 2 of the pipes are "suction" and 1 is "discharge".The suction pipes suck air in, whilst the smaller discharge pipe, throws air out.You can check this by putting a finger over the pipe ends.The 1 "blowing" is the air out.You must cover the other 2 to check the vacuum.
I am assuming you have a basic knowledge of household electic systems and appliances. If you don't, find someone that does. I wouldn't wanna be responsible for someone getting a "belt" or embolism.
But once it's "up & running", the possibilities are endless!
yeah i've tried it before, but the compressor still had the ester oil in it, and i wasnt to sure whether or not that would of been toxic to the fish, so i drained it out and used about a cup full of vegetable oil in it, but it ran quite hot to the touch.
the oil inside that compressor is harmfull to fish. and there is no way to get that oil out. but your idea changing oil withj vegetable oil seems interesting. did u get a result?
yeah, it worked well. the origanal oil is 'Ester' oil, i'm not to sure if its synthetic or mineral oil. it doesnt have any smell so im sure its a plant based oil. i cut the inlet and outlet tubes down to 3 inches, and up turned the compressor and let gravity do the job for me.
Osmosis takes place on the surface of the water.The larger the crossectional area,the greater the amount of oxygen absorbed.The fishes movement from the lower to upper aquarium causes the water displacement and replacement by the volume of the fishes body.[Eureka-jar] Archamedes principal.
The small air pump would not have enough power to push the air out if the water came in at all. And if by some miricale it did, the pump would short-out without a float switch to close it.
I don't need to bring in new air. The fish do that by entering and leaving the upper tank."Arcamedes Principal". They displace water into the lower tank on entry and it returns on exit.
After you use a big sucking air pump and draw out all the air in the high tank the water has to fill that void correct?
Then once you have the air all out of the high tank except for the top 3 or 4 inches, (Where the little air pump is glued), You stop sucking out any more air.
The water level will stay in position correct?
Now move the air stone so that all the air only goes back up to the top of the high tank. would work?
Oh I wish to have a tank like this, but with a design where I make use of an air stone.
I just want it to be a closed system with no need to suck out any new air.
Thats the look I wanrt to end up with, an air stone in the background and no hoses or air pumps sucking out extra air because Im only reuseing the same air all the time.
There is a 2000liter/hour waterpump, sat to the rear left of the upper aquarium. It has a tube routed into the upper aquarium so it is constantly pushing water from the lower tank into the upper.The air-bubble arrangement is really "cosmetic".It seems a number of aqurists aren't happy unless they see bubbles in the aquarium. I will make a point of videoing the waterpump and posting it.
cool! pretty good to see. I used to work in a aquarium for almost 5 years straight from school. Thats when you see daft sized pumps, the shop i worked in utilises the 'Argonaut' or the hydroair ITT pumps from ITT industries to power the large centralised systems.
The test shows the air pump is not dry. After 24hours running, there was condense over all the upper surfaces. The pump was still runnung, but the inlet filter was saturated which reduced air pressure.
The Romaurie Effect tunnel will have been "up & running" 4 years next February. There is a constant flow of water thru the tunnel and the whole system has a large external bio-filter and 100 liter reservoir tank with mechanical filtration.I took one repliers advise and added 5 small Plecos.They are like little underwater vacuum cleaners the way they "graze" on the algae.
You cant glue a normal airpump inside! it needs to be in the opening plus you are gonna get a nasty electric shock or even a fire. Thats like saying 'can i put a toaster in the sink full of water whilst its plugged in?
very informative, thank you. i watched your "rebuild" video. i see the original valve very clearly. so if not using air stones you would only need the valve to pull the air out to fill it initially. is there an ideal thickness of glass to use when building these tanks? do you use the same thickness of glass for both tanks? would be nice to be able to just pump water up through the top of the tank without compromising the vacuum.
This tank was made with 1/4" glass for the walls and 8mm for the top [which used to be the base]. A 1'' hole is drilled in the top for the valve.For all tanks there are guides to glass thickness /volume/size tables. \i will try and "Google" it shortly but I remember all the ones I have made.
I used 2 air-pump non return valves connected in a "T" together with the schreider/ventil valve for "pulling" the vacuum. The better way involves having the vaccuum pump activated by a mini-float switch + relay. I don't use a commercial vacuum pump, rather a domestic refrigerator compressor with a small tank on the suction to collect water.
But you don't need the air stones. A small circulating pump is enough, together with the fishes water displacement on entering the upper tank.
i did not see all of those hoses on the Fishfreedom tanks. how would a person place one of these in their home having to use all of these pumps? how about a step by step video on how to put one of these together?
The wooden lighting unit hides all the hoses at the top and the rest pass behind the plastic screen on the back.
I left everything open so folks could see what this set-up requires.
The vacuum pump is not permanently attatched to the system. It is used once to make the vacuum. As long as the water in the lower tank stays above the entrance, the level remains the same.
The water is "held-in" by a vacuum. If the vacuum is maintained, the water does not go out.
The water pump is for circulating the water thru 2 small ponds with external biological filters.
Everytime a fish enters the vacuumed section, its volume is displaced into the lower tank. When a fish leaves the vacuumed section, the water returns. That means the water is being changed all the time by the movement of the fish.
The water is automatically replaced as it is connected to a reservoir.When the airpump operates there are 2 methods [at present] to purge the air from the high tank.1/ use air-pump non return valves connected in parallel with the schreider valve for the vacuum.Not very effective.2/ The vacuum pump is activated by a low pressure switch fine tuned to the high and low pressures of the tank.Or a small electric float switch.
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romBSD 1 year ago
This has been discussed at length.If you understand the basic principle of pulling a vacuum to fill the upper aquarium, unless something "breaks" the vacuum, the water stays in.Not black magic, not even elementary Bat Logic, just basic principles of vacuum induced aquaria.
romaurie 3 years ago
so what do u do if the power goes out? ur screwed....
CrazyStunts 3 years ago
No air pump on system now.The vacuum pump removes air from the top of the aquarium and 3 6mm holes on the back just on the water level of the bottom aquarium allow air to be drawn in.I use a refrigeration process timer to let the vac pump run 3 minutes per hour.Not as complicated or expensive as it may sound.I intend to do a clip detailing how to set up the process timer.Check my other videos for more visual detail as to how the air is drawn in.
romaurie 3 years ago
hello,
im assuming that in your video you have used a air pump to make bubbles.
if an air stone can be placed at the bottom of the tank with its outlet hanging outside the water and when the vacuum turned on, will that create the bubbling effect?
is there any way that the vacuum and an air stone can be placed to create a bubbling effect without any air pump?
thankx
(lolz, ur videos are super interesting!)
pxshock 3 years ago
I've had a "Pond Clear" UV algae remover collecting dust for 8 years after I scrapped my first pond.Replaced the light and set it up on my linked inverted and regular aquariums.The water is crystal clear now.The aquariums sit under a "pergola" but catch the sun early and late in the day.
romaurie 3 years ago
Nice!
Caimingchang 3 years ago
Thats a overstocked tank you have there. no wonder that cichlid is fighting with the other fish. Wheres the filter?
marooncorsa 4 years ago
there are not that many fish in the tank at all, remember the lower aquarium is connected to the tall one,
AlanMolstad 4 years ago
size wise in which the space they are in is small
marooncorsa 4 years ago
Question: If you glued a normal little air pump inside the glass at the top, and the air stone connected to this pump was positioned at the lower end to only allowed the air to flow up back to where it was just pumped down, would this get rid of the need to have an airtight hole drilled in the top glass and the connectors?
AlanMolstad 4 years ago
The reason I ask my question above is - In the setup above we see that you always have to bring new air into the tank, then get rid of that same air too.
I want to have a more closed system.
I want a system that you never have to bring in new air so you never have to find a way to get rid of any air.
AlanMolstad 4 years ago
you cant do that, because fish need oxygen, like us, and if the same air is cycled over and over again Then the oxygen will be all used up and the fish will suffocate within a matter of hours. Ever heard of CO2 poisoning?
marooncorsa 4 years ago
an air pump and air stone dont actully put much air into the water anyway, the bubbles move the water and this movement brings fresh water into the tall tank from the lower. So thats why there is no chance of CO2 poisoning.
AlanMolstad 4 years ago
ok now i get it.
marooncorsa 4 years ago
The vacuum pump is very simple to prepare.Find an old refrigerator that has been discarded.Remove the compressor, and connect the "phase" and "neutral" to where you remove the supply from the fridge.If it runs, 2 of the pipes are "suction" and 1 is "discharge".The suction pipes suck air in, whilst the smaller discharge pipe, throws air out.You can check this by putting a finger over the pipe ends.The 1 "blowing" is the air out.You must cover the other 2 to check the vacuum.
romaurie 4 years ago
I am assuming you have a basic knowledge of household electic systems and appliances. If you don't, find someone that does. I wouldn't wanna be responsible for someone getting a "belt" or embolism.
But once it's "up & running", the possibilities are endless!
romaurie 4 years ago
yeah i've tried it before, but the compressor still had the ester oil in it, and i wasnt to sure whether or not that would of been toxic to the fish, so i drained it out and used about a cup full of vegetable oil in it, but it ran quite hot to the touch.
marooncorsa 4 years ago
the oil inside that compressor is harmfull to fish. and there is no way to get that oil out. but your idea changing oil withj vegetable oil seems interesting. did u get a result?
tilofitik 4 years ago
yeah, it worked well. the origanal oil is 'Ester' oil, i'm not to sure if its synthetic or mineral oil. it doesnt have any smell so im sure its a plant based oil. i cut the inlet and outlet tubes down to 3 inches, and up turned the compressor and let gravity do the job for me.
marooncorsa 4 years ago
Osmosis takes place on the surface of the water.The larger the crossectional area,the greater the amount of oxygen absorbed.The fishes movement from the lower to upper aquarium causes the water displacement and replacement by the volume of the fishes body.[Eureka-jar] Archamedes principal.
romaurie 4 years ago
The small air pump would not have enough power to push the air out if the water came in at all. And if by some miricale it did, the pump would short-out without a float switch to close it.
romaurie 4 years ago
I don't need to bring in new air. The fish do that by entering and leaving the upper tank."Arcamedes Principal". They displace water into the lower tank on entry and it returns on exit.
romaurie 4 years ago
What I really want to know is this-
After you use a big sucking air pump and draw out all the air in the high tank the water has to fill that void correct?
Then once you have the air all out of the high tank except for the top 3 or 4 inches, (Where the little air pump is glued), You stop sucking out any more air.
The water level will stay in position correct?
Now move the air stone so that all the air only goes back up to the top of the high tank. would work?
AlanMolstad 4 years ago
Oh I wish to have a tank like this, but with a design where I make use of an air stone.
I just want it to be a closed system with no need to suck out any new air.
Thats the look I wanrt to end up with, an air stone in the background and no hoses or air pumps sucking out extra air because Im only reuseing the same air all the time.
AlanMolstad 4 years ago
so your fish arnt gettin oxygen? hmmm....
marooncorsa 4 years ago
There is a 2000liter/hour waterpump, sat to the rear left of the upper aquarium. It has a tube routed into the upper aquarium so it is constantly pushing water from the lower tank into the upper.The air-bubble arrangement is really "cosmetic".It seems a number of aqurists aren't happy unless they see bubbles in the aquarium. I will make a point of videoing the waterpump and posting it.
romaurie 4 years ago
cool! pretty good to see. I used to work in a aquarium for almost 5 years straight from school. Thats when you see daft sized pumps, the shop i worked in utilises the 'Argonaut' or the hydroair ITT pumps from ITT industries to power the large centralised systems.
marooncorsa 4 years ago
The test shows the air pump is not dry. After 24hours running, there was condense over all the upper surfaces. The pump was still runnung, but the inlet filter was saturated which reduced air pressure.
romaurie 4 years ago
The Romaurie Effect tunnel will have been "up & running" 4 years next February. There is a constant flow of water thru the tunnel and the whole system has a large external bio-filter and 100 liter reservoir tank with mechanical filtration.I took one repliers advise and added 5 small Plecos.They are like little underwater vacuum cleaners the way they "graze" on the algae.
romaurie 4 years ago
If you go to the clip Romaurie Effect "Revelation", you will see it is covered in condense.
romaurie 4 years ago
You cant glue a normal airpump inside! it needs to be in the opening plus you are gonna get a nasty electric shock or even a fire. Thats like saying 'can i put a toaster in the sink full of water whilst its plugged in?
marooncorsa 4 years ago
The idea I have is to have the little air pump glued to the inside top of the tank in the trapped air space.
it would be dry.
AlanMolstad 4 years ago
no it wont be dry it will be humid, causeing a risk still, of water splashing it
marooncorsa 4 years ago
very informative, thank you. i watched your "rebuild" video. i see the original valve very clearly. so if not using air stones you would only need the valve to pull the air out to fill it initially. is there an ideal thickness of glass to use when building these tanks? do you use the same thickness of glass for both tanks? would be nice to be able to just pump water up through the top of the tank without compromising the vacuum.
galileefish 4 years ago
This tank was made with 1/4" glass for the walls and 8mm for the top [which used to be the base]. A 1'' hole is drilled in the top for the valve.For all tanks there are guides to glass thickness /volume/size tables. \i will try and "Google" it shortly but I remember all the ones I have made.
romaurie 4 years ago
thank you for that explanation. could you elaborate on the valve used that releases air from the top of the tank from the air stones.
galileefish 4 years ago
I used 2 air-pump non return valves connected in a "T" together with the schreider/ventil valve for "pulling" the vacuum. The better way involves having the vaccuum pump activated by a mini-float switch + relay. I don't use a commercial vacuum pump, rather a domestic refrigerator compressor with a small tank on the suction to collect water.
But you don't need the air stones. A small circulating pump is enough, together with the fishes water displacement on entering the upper tank.
romaurie 4 years ago
If you think of a way to do that, let me know, I'll give it a "whirl" . As long as it doesn't require buying a 10 H.P. self priming pump.
romaurie 4 years ago
i did not see all of those hoses on the Fishfreedom tanks. how would a person place one of these in their home having to use all of these pumps? how about a step by step video on how to put one of these together?
galileefish 4 years ago
The wooden lighting unit hides all the hoses at the top and the rest pass behind the plastic screen on the back.
I left everything open so folks could see what this set-up requires.
The vacuum pump is not permanently attatched to the system. It is used once to make the vacuum. As long as the water in the lower tank stays above the entrance, the level remains the same.
romaurie 4 years ago
if the pump failed wouldnt all the water spill all over the floor
0thingthing0 4 years ago
The water is "held-in" by a vacuum. If the vacuum is maintained, the water does not go out.
The water pump is for circulating the water thru 2 small ponds with external biological filters.
Everytime a fish enters the vacuumed section, its volume is displaced into the lower tank. When a fish leaves the vacuumed section, the water returns. That means the water is being changed all the time by the movement of the fish.
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romaurie 4 years ago
Very good design but it seem that the water level in top tank drop. Must you fill up every hour ?
kakiyokoso 4 years ago
The water is automatically replaced as it is connected to a reservoir.When the airpump operates there are 2 methods [at present] to purge the air from the high tank.1/ use air-pump non return valves connected in parallel with the schreider valve for the vacuum.Not very effective.2/ The vacuum pump is activated by a low pressure switch fine tuned to the high and low pressures of the tank.Or a small electric float switch.
romaurie 4 years ago