Sam Parnia - press conference -Part 2

[ntn3600]

We still do not know completely how brain works. Our assumptions may always be faulty. It is being said that patients see from top of the room, being operated by doctors. Does this prove they were out of body,and have covered some height?. The inside/outside of body surely looks tricky. May be that the whole world we sense is inside our brain,and eyes are not only the organs to see things. Who knows!.

[VegasSkateCulture]

Science will take us far, but the nature of our existence has been figured out a while ago. This test will just be proving what the majority of the world already believes, and scientist will also have to bow their heads, realizing that there exist a place where naturalism stops, supernaturalism begins, and the latter realm is controlled by God.

sorry.

[anewpersonalparadigm]

@VegasSkateCulture Religion has always been the self-appointed gatekeeper to the mysteries of the universe, and every day it's forced to move the goalpost as science expands our understanding of the natural world.

[87eto]

@VegasSkateCulture Desirative thinking really does make ppl say the dumbest things just to protect their beliefs.

Only a person scared of there being no afterlife, hoping in supernatural causes and all other kinds of fairy tales could make the affirmation you just did.

Sam Parnia clearly states out nothing relevant in any of his discussions as his entire theory (if you would like to call it that, I don't) by what I've mentioned before:

Nothing in the universe is irreducible

[AnduinX]

@87eto: The materialist concept that all we are is a brain and that there is no afterlife is every bit as much of a belief system. There is no proof of this. The hard problem is still unsolved, and there are plenty of neurological mysteries that throw this view into question (severe hydrocephalus, terminal lucidity, acquired savant syndrome).

[AnduinX]

@87eto: Of the above terminal lucidity is probably the most impressive. How does a man with a severe brain tumor, who can't even remember the names and faces of his family members (or do anything, for that matter) suddenly become lucid as he approaches death - able to both converse and remember clearly? There is plenty of such evidence that goes against the materialist view, and the materialist response to this is always 'Oh, that's just a mystery to be solved'

[AnduinX]

@87eto: It's a form of faith. Materialists have 'faith' that all of the problems with their model will be solved and their world view will be proven correct. You are what you hate.

[87eto]

@AnduinX I'd like to point out the logic flaw you've made right from the beginning of your affirmation. The absence of non-observable entities does not require any demonstration as long as no valid evidence involving their existence has been found.



[AnduinX]

@87eto: The materialist view is not the absence of something at all. Rather than consciousness being an intrinsic basic part of the universe, as I believe, materialists hold that consciousness ‘somehow’ emerges from unconscious matter as a result of complexity. The idea that dead, inanimate matter can be arranged in a pattern and magically consciousness emerges is itself a belief system without foundation.

[AnduinX]

@87eto: In order for the materialist view to survive as a model it has to discard or ignore conflicting material. Documented phenomenon that bring the idea of mind=brain into question, such as terminal lucidity and severe hydrocephalus (Lorber, 1980) – which was documented and published in leading medical journals flies in the face of neuroscience.

[AnduinX]

@87eto: Rather than face these things, faith-driven materialists simply state they’re just ‘mysteries to be solved’. This is exactly how a theist would behave. These people believe without any shadow of a doubt that the mind is the brain, and any observations they come across that they cannot explain, will be explained by their belief system in the future. Rather than change with the evidence, they mold the evidence around their model.

[AnduinX]

@87eto: More often then not though, evidence is completely thrown out. There are near death experiences, for example, where people were able to objectively report things they could not have possibly known. In the case of Pam Reynolds, a whole team of doctors was witness to this. 

[AnduinX]

@87eto: From an objective point of view, one should choose a model that best fits all of the evidence we have.  Materialism does not fit all of the evidence we have.

[87eto]

Practically, I cannot say that a fat naked guy called George is orbiting somewhere in the asteroid belt and ask you to prove me wrong.

Not accepting non-proved affirmation is not a belief it's the standard position an objective person would take not depending on the context of the affirmation.

[87eto]

@VegasSkateCulture The supernatural realm seems to be shrinking :D

[changewind13]

@VegasSkateCulture what about siamese twins

[VegasSkateCulture]

I can't wait until the study is done. Every atheist will bow his head, and it will be a glorious day for mankind.

[anewpersonalparadigm]

@VegasSkateCulture An Atheist is simply a person who doesn't believe in God. If anything, positive results from this study would further illustrate yet another plane of reality in which there is no consistent evidence for any deity.

Skeptics, on the other hand, will surely question the validity of any results that provide evidence for survival beyond the death of the physical body. Which is absolutely essential - we must insist on evidence and science as we explore the nature of our existence.

[VegasSkateCulture]

@anewpersonalparadigm

" If anything, positive results from this study would further illustrate yet another plane of reality in which there is no consistent evidence for any deity."

Untrue. There has been no reported NDE or OOB in which the subject experienced life after death without some sort of God icon. Either the subject went to some sort of "hell" reality, and suffered to a point until submitting to God, then meeting a God, or went straight to a God, depending on their lifestyle.

[VegasSkateCulture]

@anewpersonalparadigm

A skeptic is someone who holds the faith that if someones world view does not hold your world view, they are either lying, wrong, or crazy. Skeptics are usually science based people, but the science they choose to follow is entirely subjectively biased.

[zarkoff45]

Has their been any results on this?

Has anyone seen the picture?

[supersach123]

I hope this research yieds something positive because I don't subscribe to the current scientific theory that the whole world was born out of nowhere and it has no purpose.

[gogoasacenusie]

@supersach123 , i don't think that the concept of "nothing" even exists. Everything is "something"

Maybe consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe and it's irreducible. So it cannot be destroyed, no matter what...

But we'll see...

[supersach123]

@gogoasacenusie

Exactly, there has to be "something" in the first place for something else to come out of it.

Yeah, may be you're right or may be there's more to it which we haven't even conceived of as if it's so far beyond our comprehension I don't know.

I've been reading NDEs recently & it's amazing how a lot of the NDErs say similar things about "universal knowledge and nature of being" EVEN IF they are from different parts of the world & I'm NOT talking about "light, tunnel, etc"

[87eto]

@gogoasacenusie

Nothing in the universe is irreductible :)

[gogoasacenusie]

@87eto, very true. Even time and space break down into smaller structures at the Planck scale level. Pretty neat.

[blahblahchachacha]

i can't believe that so far there have only been viewed by 2,438 views. it is a revolutionary scientific approach to nde's. this can alter science in so many ways. and sam parnia's study is so simple. i'm chomping at the bit to get the results.

[gogoasacenusie]

Well, why would it be interesting when most of the people are indoctrinated there is nothing after death, a purposeless universe, etc. We have to thank Dawkins, Dennett etc for this. But don't worry, there are also enough people who opened their minds to see the whole image of reality without the activist components of atheism and even religion. Cheers man

[sebedina]

well done in this research

[slafkec]

You are brave man, Mr. Sam Parnia! I wish you good luck in your research!