@dhorse7 dont disrespect any of these men these men work hard and for very long periods i would know! he may need practice but he is worth putting up on youtube he put it up on youtube to show u how circle is actually done plz dont tell him whats right to whats wrong he is the teacher he know his best!
to other wing chunners bashing this method , you should better keep quit their teacher duncan leung was probably the baddest man yip man ever produced , these students fare the most succesful in matches against thaiboxers , kickboxers ect so don't critice them on what you see , i promise you they would put to shame a lot of traditional wing chun guys , these quys take their wing chun all the way and own their competion not to put down the rest . But dont judge a video
Those are the most sad techniques i've ever seen, from the attackers. Haymakers and slow telegraphed punches and kicks are not what you'd encounter on the street...
@stardust005 it's a practise method. they're not supposed to be throwing full power punch, of you'd see many injured people and no student would come to your classes the next day. nobody tried to put a real street fight video here, if you want to see one go look elsewhere. you can never simulate a street fight no matter how hard you try, because much of it has to do with stress or fear
sifu lee, i know you know your shit. but this guy was not worth posting on your site. he didn't even throw a wing chun straight punch. get him onto punches and SLT
I disagree. I don't know what WC you're learning. For kicks coming below the waist, you always want to fend them off with your own legs. The best is to kick out his legs b4 he completes the kick or intercept it with knees or shin, which is what the student is actually doing. I also didn't see any indication that he had no balance like leaning or wavering. I see pretty good reaction and he stopped most attacks pretty well. That indicates good stance = power.
try in circle traing ing getting the class to run around the trainer and attacking at random some one can yell out chaing derection that they run...because they are all ways moveing round the person in the middle can get attacked by suprise a bit more and its fun..
I disagree with this. looks as if somethings of other or personal art is added with wing chun. His movements and stratagies not smart wing chun, practically gives his energy away. knowledge and skill of true wing chun, would make great use of use it all agianst him.
How did you get jumped? Theres not much you can do when attacked from the back. I guess its easier said then done, but its just important to practice being aware of your surroundings. I don't let people walk behind me when I can help it.
They hit me in the back of the head. I was wearing a winter hat and hood so I was kinda impaired. Cold night you know. Didn't hear shit, didn't see shit and trying to remember the event.
Man, in a situation like that, you are pretty much out of luck...When I'm alone, I never wear a hood or earphones, especially at night. Also, I constantly look over my shoulder. Too many people I know have been jumped like that.
I know. Even when it is cold or winter like, it is still not good to wear a hood or hat covering your ears. You have a rougher time hearing things AND also the hood can obstruct your view from behind. Man well like my Sifu always says "Consequences teach better than concepts" lol now I know better.
BTW, my boxing is mainly only good for "Fighting". But the streets don't fight fair at all, people attack from behind or in groups. Thats where W.C and/or Kali comes in more handy than just boxing. Also I think SOME for of military training/experience would help w/awareness of surroundings. THough i don't want to be shipped off to a war! lol.
Yeah, i've learned that boxing is great for conditioning for a fight, but wing chun is good for dealing with the randomness of street fighting. Many wing chun guys aren't conditioned, but they have a lot of potential tools boxers dont have.
Streetfight? Once or twice in my time. Nothing serious like gang fights or anything. I've trained WC, TKD, boxing and grappling against very good MMA fighters - they kill me in the grappling! All I'm saying is that if you make a WC video and post it show something more than a sloppy entry technique/leg check and a right-cross finishing move...
True, I gotta agree with that. Not to show any disrespect, but this is what I consider "style inbreeding." Defenses are created for an attack, then a new attack is created for a defense. This cycle continues until you have all realism distilled out.
I've seen and used this circle simulation drill many times. It's great fun at the time but I think it is so unrealistic it's detrimental to training. People forget their basics - footwork, avoid using force, economy of movement - which make WC the system it is. I also hate seeing poor attacks that wouldn't really scare anyone. The school is probably good but this video is not a good reflection.
I have never heard of any of those "rules". In my experience and what I have been told, although Wing Chun Has ideas or theories you have to know when and how to apply them. For example the center line can be different things depending on the situation , ect ..
I was referring to the principles of WC. There are many and they are applied differently but they essentially differentiate WC from a style like boxing or karate which are a lot more "taking-turns". See my above comment response for a list of some of the "rules" of WC.
I see those applied (although not skillfully). I think a lot of the footwork comes from the knife form which can be drastically different from the footwork of open hand fighting. Even the pole uses a low horse that you almost never see in open hand wing chun sparring.
I can see the basic tenants of WC but worry about this drill for a student who relies on single poor techniques. It may just breed poor habits that will come unstuck in a real situation, or against decent sparring partners. Foot speed is something that takes a lot of time.
I've found that WC actually has about 5 core principles that should never be broken, then about 10-15 others that can be applied given the situation. This depends on your interpretations also. The core principles are what make WC, well, WC. Core principles should be used in all situations, negating the need to rationally choose between principles or tactics to use. This reduces the confusion and time taken to respond to a threat.
I agree that there are core principles that most wing chun schools have in common. Problem is, no one seems to agree what they are. I don't think the William Cheung Traditional WC or the Leung Ting WT can take credit for defining it. Not to say they aren't effective, but to say that there's more variation than they give credit.
What are some things you would do to make this circle drill more effective? At my group, we assign numbers to everybody. Each person's number is called out at random to attack the guy in the center. Its great for training the initial reflex.
The drill is useful for reflexes, mobility and awareness. and using numbers is a great idea. The most important thing is for the attacks to be relevant. Too often they are out of range or slow. Make it as real as you can without anyone getting hurt. Also finishing off the opponent is a reflex to build from the beginning of training I feel.
Yes, I agree absolutely. The number system is borrowed from the football practice where one in the center has to deal with anyone from the perimeter. The more realistic, the more efective!
Rubbish technique. Some WC would be nice. Breaks most of the rules of WC - no guard, walking across the opponents front foot, weigh all over the place.
What rules are you talking about? You do realize that there are many schools of wing chun, right? Theres only one rule that I know - beat your opponent
Maintaining balance after attacking, disrupting your opponent's balance, protecting your centreline, roll punching with a vertical fist, trapping and sticking, economy of movement, block and strike at the same time...the guy doesn't use any of these theories which I believe to fundamental to WC training across schools. He does successfully defend against his attackers but not using much WC.
this is not the traditional wing chun?
osiris1503 1 year ago
@dhorse7 and its not a straight its actually an arrow punch learn first talk crap later >.>
2bueno4u 1 year ago
@dhorse7 dont disrespect any of these men these men work hard and for very long periods i would know! he may need practice but he is worth putting up on youtube he put it up on youtube to show u how circle is actually done plz dont tell him whats right to whats wrong he is the teacher he know his best!
2bueno4u 1 year ago
praaactice practice practice
thejijjic 1 year ago
to other wing chunners bashing this method , you should better keep quit their teacher duncan leung was probably the baddest man yip man ever produced , these students fare the most succesful in matches against thaiboxers , kickboxers ect so don't critice them on what you see , i promise you they would put to shame a lot of traditional wing chun guys , these quys take their wing chun all the way and own their competion not to put down the rest . But dont judge a video
vinni906 1 year ago
Those are the most sad techniques i've ever seen, from the attackers. Haymakers and slow telegraphed punches and kicks are not what you'd encounter on the street...
stardust005 1 year ago
@stardust005 it's a practise method. they're not supposed to be throwing full power punch, of you'd see many injured people and no student would come to your classes the next day. nobody tried to put a real street fight video here, if you want to see one go look elsewhere. you can never simulate a street fight no matter how hard you try, because much of it has to do with stress or fear
DonMega187 5 months ago
Thats a awesome excercise. I hope I get that too when I start training in Wing Chun
lordtains 2 years ago
sifu lee, i know you know your shit. but this guy was not worth posting on your site. he didn't even throw a wing chun straight punch. get him onto punches and SLT
dhorse7 3 years ago
Lol. This guy probably forgot more about Wing Chun that you'll ever learn.
kiddl3 3 years ago
The exercise looks good, but this student had any balance at all.
Stop a kick with another kick, is pretty stupid idea.
No balance = No power = No Wing Chun
alvaro660 3 years ago
I disagree. I don't know what WC you're learning. For kicks coming below the waist, you always want to fend them off with your own legs. The best is to kick out his legs b4 he completes the kick or intercept it with knees or shin, which is what the student is actually doing. I also didn't see any indication that he had no balance like leaning or wavering. I see pretty good reaction and he stopped most attacks pretty well. That indicates good stance = power.
kakashiLAU 3 years ago
try in circle traing ing getting the class to run around the trainer and attacking at random some one can yell out chaing derection that they run...because they are all ways moveing round the person in the middle can get attacked by suprise a bit more and its fun..
pissdchris 4 years ago
Although not as followed as a real fight, it is great for dealing with the unexpected.
wingchunone 4 years ago
stop steping back and look were you are hitting man
sakura76 4 years ago
I disagree with this. looks as if somethings of other or personal art is added with wing chun. His movements and stratagies not smart wing chun, practically gives his energy away. knowledge and skill of true wing chun, would make great use of use it all agianst him.
Fastlan3 5 years ago
a chineese man showing off his skillz,wow.
PELICANFLY 5 years ago
that's nice jack. Have you ever been in a real fight?
h8tedoak 5 years ago
i have been in real fights. But I also have been ambushed from behind by 2 thugs. Lets just say my Boxing and even W.C didn't work.
I have to take W.C and whatever else with another approach when training now.
MykeTyson 5 years ago
How did you get jumped? Theres not much you can do when attacked from the back. I guess its easier said then done, but its just important to practice being aware of your surroundings. I don't let people walk behind me when I can help it.
jlittle1978 5 years ago
They hit me in the back of the head. I was wearing a winter hat and hood so I was kinda impaired. Cold night you know. Didn't hear shit, didn't see shit and trying to remember the event.
MykeTyson 5 years ago
Man, in a situation like that, you are pretty much out of luck...When I'm alone, I never wear a hood or earphones, especially at night. Also, I constantly look over my shoulder. Too many people I know have been jumped like that.
jlittle1978 5 years ago
I know. Even when it is cold or winter like, it is still not good to wear a hood or hat covering your ears. You have a rougher time hearing things AND also the hood can obstruct your view from behind. Man well like my Sifu always says "Consequences teach better than concepts" lol now I know better.
MykeTyson 5 years ago
BTW, my boxing is mainly only good for "Fighting". But the streets don't fight fair at all, people attack from behind or in groups. Thats where W.C and/or Kali comes in more handy than just boxing. Also I think SOME for of military training/experience would help w/awareness of surroundings. THough i don't want to be shipped off to a war! lol.
MykeTyson 5 years ago
Yeah, i've learned that boxing is great for conditioning for a fight, but wing chun is good for dealing with the randomness of street fighting. Many wing chun guys aren't conditioned, but they have a lot of potential tools boxers dont have.
jlittle1978 5 years ago
Streetfight? Once or twice in my time. Nothing serious like gang fights or anything. I've trained WC, TKD, boxing and grappling against very good MMA fighters - they kill me in the grappling! All I'm saying is that if you make a WC video and post it show something more than a sloppy entry technique/leg check and a right-cross finishing move...
jacktheripper1975 5 years ago
True, I gotta agree with that. Not to show any disrespect, but this is what I consider "style inbreeding." Defenses are created for an attack, then a new attack is created for a defense. This cycle continues until you have all realism distilled out.
jlittle1978 5 years ago
I've seen and used this circle simulation drill many times. It's great fun at the time but I think it is so unrealistic it's detrimental to training. People forget their basics - footwork, avoid using force, economy of movement - which make WC the system it is. I also hate seeing poor attacks that wouldn't really scare anyone. The school is probably good but this video is not a good reflection.
jacktheripper1975 5 years ago
jacktheripper1975,
I have never heard of any of those "rules". In my experience and what I have been told, although Wing Chun Has ideas or theories you have to know when and how to apply them. For example the center line can be different things depending on the situation , ect ..
monji112000 5 years ago
I was referring to the principles of WC. There are many and they are applied differently but they essentially differentiate WC from a style like boxing or karate which are a lot more "taking-turns". See my above comment response for a list of some of the "rules" of WC.
jacktheripper1975 5 years ago
I see those applied (although not skillfully). I think a lot of the footwork comes from the knife form which can be drastically different from the footwork of open hand fighting. Even the pole uses a low horse that you almost never see in open hand wing chun sparring.
jlittle1978 5 years ago
I can see the basic tenants of WC but worry about this drill for a student who relies on single poor techniques. It may just breed poor habits that will come unstuck in a real situation, or against decent sparring partners. Foot speed is something that takes a lot of time.
jacktheripper1975 5 years ago
I've found that WC actually has about 5 core principles that should never be broken, then about 10-15 others that can be applied given the situation. This depends on your interpretations also. The core principles are what make WC, well, WC. Core principles should be used in all situations, negating the need to rationally choose between principles or tactics to use. This reduces the confusion and time taken to respond to a threat.
jacktheripper1975 5 years ago
I agree that there are core principles that most wing chun schools have in common. Problem is, no one seems to agree what they are. I don't think the William Cheung Traditional WC or the Leung Ting WT can take credit for defining it. Not to say they aren't effective, but to say that there's more variation than they give credit.
jlittle1978 5 years ago
What are some things you would do to make this circle drill more effective? At my group, we assign numbers to everybody. Each person's number is called out at random to attack the guy in the center. Its great for training the initial reflex.
jlittle1978 5 years ago
The drill is useful for reflexes, mobility and awareness. and using numbers is a great idea. The most important thing is for the attacks to be relevant. Too often they are out of range or slow. Make it as real as you can without anyone getting hurt. Also finishing off the opponent is a reflex to build from the beginning of training I feel.
jacktheripper1975 5 years ago
Yes, I agree absolutely. The number system is borrowed from the football practice where one in the center has to deal with anyone from the perimeter. The more realistic, the more efective!
wingchunone 4 years ago
Rubbish technique. Some WC would be nice. Breaks most of the rules of WC - no guard, walking across the opponents front foot, weigh all over the place.
jacktheripper1975 5 years ago
What rules are you talking about? You do realize that there are many schools of wing chun, right? Theres only one rule that I know - beat your opponent
jlittle1978 5 years ago
Maintaining balance after attacking, disrupting your opponent's balance, protecting your centreline, roll punching with a vertical fist, trapping and sticking, economy of movement, block and strike at the same time...the guy doesn't use any of these theories which I believe to fundamental to WC training across schools. He does successfully defend against his attackers but not using much WC.
jacktheripper1975 5 years ago
awesome video, im trying to get my friends to visit your school sometime soon
Kohox 5 years ago
I believe that's the best Wing Chun tecniques (Sifu Lee to learn with Sigung Duncan Leung.
02SJCHEFE 5 years ago