i hate when you think iran is islamic country !! khomieni is big liar and the islam is Disown him !! islam means peace not killing ppl !! arabs wants Crush this devil and we will cut his fingers if he Interfered In our countries !! now we will crush bashar and next khomieni and sistani and ahmadinejad ! the three divels !!
if US has @@ try to help the poor Chinese overthrow their government ;), majority of iranians don't like their government but definately don't want international intervention, after the world has seen the ''democracy'' US brought in Iraq & Afganistan
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Revolt revolt revolt.... Against this evil empire ... Iranians you must understand that secularism is not an option because it serves the US agenda in the world. Demand for a democratic system but do not accept secularism . God be with you .
@TheSakalaki1991 There is no true democracy without secularism, and although it seems counter intuitive there is no religious freedom without secularism.
"Demand for a democratic system but do not accept secularism" translates to freedom to choose for yourself but not for others who may not share your faith. This is a tyranny of the majority.
@TheSakalaki1991 That makes no sense, why would secularism which basically just says that religion/propaganda/etc. stays out of the state serve anyone's agenda, quite the opposite is the case, claiming that you are nearer by the "truth" (being a cleric) gives you powers you can misuse.
Be STRONG, PEOPLE of IRAN. UNITE and RISE together. Stand your ground. Revolutions require COURAGE and SACRIFICE. Ahmadinejad cannot murder millions of you without the world intervening. Your blood will not be spilled in vain.
Democracy is costly. It took Europe thousands of years, from the time of the Roman Empire, through the Dark Ages with the Spanish Inquisition, to obtain the true democracy it now enjoys.
These protesters are not real. They are CGIs created by Zionists who take orders from the Bilderberg Conference which was created by space aliens who control the Wall St. bankers who trained the CIA to plant computer chips in people's brains which made them vote for Obama who is an agent of Opus Dei which wants a one world government controlled by the Illuminati who must destabilize Iran before they can rule the whole world.
Or so people like Ahmaschizophrenejad would like you to believe :)
@ArmenOfTheNorth how you got five thumbs up is ridiculous. i would say things are controlled by the political corporate american elites and other rich individuals. the Us has been steering the world direction since the cold war ended, then they had 50% of the worlds total wealth :o . but while police states use violence and coercion to control the population, democracy has to use consumer goods and the media unendingly, because when people stop believing, things fall apart. ironically the us and
@wannabchomsky many other western countries including canada and france have an increasingly unaccountable police force who act as a coercion mechanism. and not jsut in a "help deter crime" kind of way. i mean that they are also breaking the law, and infringing on our basic human rights.
And yet it's not narcissism when you proclaim your alleged academic superiority? You're a poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. But really sport, if you want to continue this tawdry parade of self-praise have at it, it's not doing me any harm.
@RealityGrapple I would say that it's amazing to see a troll projecting, but it's actually not rare at all.
"flexing his ego"
An opinion that manifested itself directly after i questioned the validity of your assertions.
"MR population as retards"
Please tell the class what the R in MR stands for. Thanks for doing my job for me. You mean things you believe because you read them in a book, whose arguments you can't even defend. Are you going out of your way to refute yourself?
@RealityGrapple More torpid ad hominem remarks? Yeah and i'm the troll. Too easy.
"If you think i'm going to"
Support your claims? Yeah how foolish of me to expect that of you. You're awfully pissed simply because i expected more evidence before taking your claims at face value. But perhaps you're simply a high-strung sort of chap.
Again, giving that your entire worldview seems to rest on what you read in a single book this looks like projection on your part. When you advertise the limited nature of your research then tell others to go read up on the subject you look silly.
@RealityGrapple Didn't say Brzezinski was a crackpot, nor am i dismissing his claims without examining them. The point is that you after apparently reading them couldn't address basic criticisms regarding your theory (apparently derived from his book).
"You've got absolutely nothing on me ya little twerp"
I highly doubt you're my academic equal, but since neither of us can prove our claims in that regard i really don't care either.
@RealityGrapple I'll give his book a read, eventually. I have a lot of other things to keep up with at home and at work.
"prime motive"
Didn't i say it was a motive, unambiguously? Except that the "oil" motive doesn't entirely square with Afghanistan, it's not oil-rich itself and the last attempt to build a pipeline through it was a failure, and that was before we were at war with it's inhabitants. This suggests additional motives.
@RealityGrapple Government policies have encouraged speculation and thereby made the situation worse. I'm simply stating that speculation is, and will continue to be a favourite game of the richest, to make money from doing next to nothing except moving money around. Regardless of government encouragement. e.g. oil, property, currency, food price bubbles. Credit bubbles would still exist, just depends on how rich the rich are. If 1% ever get to own 25% and want to speculate, recession is coming.
This is coming from someone who thinks they know everything because they read some book, and apparently can't defend it's arguments when they are met with the slightest scrutiny. Calling me a "narcissist" or a "douche" doesn't make up for not having anything of substance to bring forth. Stay in school sport.
@RealityGrapple Lol "Brzezinski says" isn't an argument. If you, apparently an astute acolyte of his, can't voice his arguments soundly in the face of criticism then either they can't withstand scrutiny or you didn't value them enough to think them worth remembering. Neither bodes well.
"playing field"
Playing Risk in the basement doesn't make you a foreign policy expert, oh wait i was supposed to be the narcissist right? My bad.
@RealityGrapple They way they do moneyprinting exacerbates but doesn't cause the problem. I would say it makes the problem about a bit worse, but great recessions could still not be avoided as long as there are large volumes of speculation, which would happen anyway.
@RealityGrappl Speculation is possible with or without moneyprinting. Are you denying that banking is a form of speculation? That it's a game played by rich people to make money for doing nothing (except simply lending)? Look, I'm saying that if lending-with-interest didn't exist at all, prices would then reflect what people could afford FROM THEIR POCKET, all prices would be consumption-based, not speculation-based, there'd be no housing bubble, credit bubble, in fact no bubbles. No recessions.
@RealityGrapple The speculation would happen whether they printed money or not. Did you forget the Great Depression which was certainly more than 40 years ago, also caused by speculation. ALL recessions and ALL economic instabilities are caused by speculation, it's the ONLY thing that is capable of causing it. Simple consumption demand/supply (non-speculative) based economy is recession-proof.
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@RealityGrapple Of all the periods that Russia was a threat to us, this has to be one of the lowest points in the last century or so. China? If they go to war with us then they can kiss all the money we owe them goodbye, and thus their plans of modernization and progress (already straining it's limits) end.
@JujuWoaW Actually you're right about that... I am of egyptian descent, and NOTHING irritates an egyptian more than being called an arab. My BF is a turk.... same thing. Arams are brom the Arab nations, Turks are from turkey, Iranians are from Iran and Egyptians are from Egypt... The truth is I don't want to use the term "muslim nations" because no nation should be muslim as a nation... we should all be mid-eastern countries with muslim majorities, like they do in turkey... So we're cool :)
@JujuWoaW Hey hey chill, dude, I'm actually defending that exact same Point of view. If you read carefully, I commented "religious and non religious dictatorships". Both suck... And yesm no one should have to endure Sharia for 32 years in the present world!!
@RealityGrapple I'm not saying oil wasn't a factor in the war, it certainly is. It's just absurd to think that the military is being maintained at staggering cost to hold on to some oil that isn't being even efficiently extracted yet. If we buy the oil for cheap from Iraq we get energy and they get an economy, seems a win/win for now.
@RealityGrapple And i agree, i'm just wary of the worth of predictions that grand and unfounded. It's reasonable to predict 10 or even 20 years down the road, but a century is quite difficult. In less than a century we went from horses being the main form of transportation to spacecraft, microchips, and stealth aircraft. It's not an issue of the ability to get off oil, it's a question of willingness. Society is essentially addicted to it, and addicts don't behave rationally in re their addiction
@RealityGrapple I've heard similar arguments, albeit usually from people who think that contrails are really mild nerve agents being sprayed by the illuminati, but let that pass. Given that Afghanistan is a nation with an appallingly poor infrastructure, difficult terrain, and chock full of violent illiterate bands of thugs it's not a great place to run oil or gas through. Whereas Iraq is much more suitable, and we've invaded that nation as well. Apparently the puppet masters are incompetent.
@RealityGrapple Universities frequently make speculative remarks that aren't true, gauging what will happen a century and a half from now is kind of absurd. Take studies as serious as the actual hard-facts they present, not because someone with a degree put their name on it. A lot of people already die, they'll simply forget about their usual grievances (religion, race, nationalism, etc.) and start fighting over goods.
@RealityGrapple Actually they could easily fill the gap, wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric etc. could readily replace power plants worldwide. The trouble is that it's not being done because it's not nearly as profitable (for now) as fossil fuel. Right, the army invaded Iraq for the oil, and Afghanistan for the, well they don't have any oil and the military presence in oil-rich Iraq is withdrawing. I'm not feeling that one.
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@RealityGrapple I doubt it will be WW3 rough, especially since large scale military actions tend to require lots of the very thing we're short on. The algae fuel was just an example of a small-scale sort of project. My point is that there's plenty of people willing to put for the research effort, but if shit's going to change it needs industrial money and production capability. Replacing power plants will just require a lot of money, the tricky bit will be replacing the fuel used for transport.
@RealityGrapple Well we will innovate our way out of it, the question is how unpleasant will the transition be. The technology needed isn't even all that difficult or exotic, it simply needs industry to bite the bullet and get behind it. The "little guys" making plug-in cars and algae-fuel are good in their own way, but energy companies need to quit ignoring the elephant in the room it's either poor now and rich later or rich now and bankrupt later.
@RealityGrapple Actually we could get energy cleaner that's easier and more accessible, we simply hadn't been trying very hard until fairly recently. Necessity is the mother of invention, when society isn't challenged it becomes weak and lazy. Fossil fuels are actually pretty inefficient, it's simply economical because there's a vast industry devoted to it. As time goes on there will be more efficient, more practical, and more affordable solutions.
@RealityGrapple I daresay that in the next 50 years we'll be using a hell of a lot less oil and coal than we are now. We'll be off it in the not too distant future whether we like it or not.
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there were many revolutions and uprisings of the working class in "revolutionary" america, most of which were squashed by the ruling class's (what we are told are the "founding fathers") orders.
@RealityGrapple To put it in perspective Iran's population will almost all be dead before they run out of oil, and that's just with their current proven reserves. I'm all for getting off of fossil fuels as well, my point is that theocrats obviously don't give a shit about the environment or what happens a century from now. The claim that a band of ignorant thugs with a penchant for violent thuggery is enriching uranium because they want to green up their economy is cuckoo.
There are people in Iran that support the current regime, than not. I think they will fall if they keep up their false footing. It won't be for oil, either. And their lose will make more people against the regime and see all their defence propaganda was fake and waste of money or to steal money. All those leaders got hidden assets.
I really couldn't care less about which dictator might be an ally of the USA. The only thing I'm concerned about is if these people fighting for what they want in their homelands will be safe to do so. I'm worried that they might get hurt or killed while protesting. I think it'd be wise for us to all collectively focus on what's really important here.
@RealityGrapple Not to mention that the Iranian people are very quickly losing their patience with their own government, it would be stupid to attack them when they might well be on their way out as it is. In addition it would be easier to establish relations with any new government if we haven't been meddling in their affairs. I wish the US would intervene on the side of "good" much more often than it does, but we should really just let Iran sort itself out.
The founding fathers only cared for themselves and their grandchildren. Plus they opposed what was wrong with the way England's ruling class ran things. America, at that time, didn't give a shit about Egypt or any other country. They cared about right principles for themselves.
I think Cenk is backpedaling a little bit here. To equate Egypt's budding democracy to America, is like saying England is responsible for America.
@Joxman2k Well most of the founding fathers were recent descendants of brits, and before the revolution considered themselves british subjects. Most egyptians are not americans, the culture is entirely different. Cenk worded it poorly, but the whole point of what he was saying was that what happened in Egypt is something that america should be proud of. The ideal that this country was founded on (but so often falls short of) is that of representative government and civil liberties.
I agree :) But the spirit of America has been lost in recent years ... I mean water-boarding was not Americas finest hour. I believe in the Idea of America! ...it's a global Ideal.
I do not encourage pride in another's actions, because of an ideal I hold as well. That is arrogance.
The US jumped to support the Iran demonstraters, unlike in Egypt, because "the powers that be", DoS/CIA/BIG OIL want that oil!
Thats why "they" took out elected Mosadeq and put in the dictator, The Shah and why they don't want Iran to have "the bomb". If Iran has a nuke they can defend themselves. BIG OIL and the CIA WANT that oil!
Beyond that, the Iranians should be free from them and US!
@realitylivin "If Iran has a nuke they can defend themselves"
Are you on the pipe? They don't want it to "defend themselves" they want it to attack others. We already are in bed with the Saudis, produce more oil than Iran ourselves, and are in a good position to get what we want oil-wise out of Iraq. We don't need their oil. We jump to support protests against the filthy theocrats in Iran because we have no real ties to them, whereas the US had no small involvement with Mubarak.
Who told you "they want it to attack others"? The same people who told us Iraq had WMD's and was a danger to us.
"They" were lying then and they are lying now! Think about how "they" lie to us, the American people, for their benefit. When someone says be afraid, ask yourself what is their motive?
@realitylivin Actually Iranians themselves have insinuated it several times. Their head nuclear envoy said that they'll use them if they feel threatened (meaning they would need to be making weapons-grade material), after making a statement stating their peaceful intent.
"they were lying then"
And you suppose that the Iranian theocracy is run by honest and peaceful people do you? Or do you imagine that they need it for power stations when they have one of the largest oil reserves on earth?
@realitylivin The difference is that the US and Russia aren't threatening to use them. Even so they're contradicting their claims to not be seeking weapons-grade material, while threatening to use them if they feel threatened. It's sort of like saying you don't own or want any guns but you'll shoot anyone who pisses you off.
"oil is polluting the atmosphere"
Yeah, because religious fanatics really care about the environment and really believe in global warming.
Except that i said "aren't" which insinuates a present tense. The US and Russia haven't been threatening to nuke one another for decades. The US and the USSR weren't run by deranged theocrats either. Equating the two is kind of silly.
Except i'm basing this off of what the Iranians have said, not what "they" said. I'm also basing it off of the fact that a nation with a vast amount of oil needs nuclear energy for electrical power.
#1 the fact that the US threatened nukes in the past is the point. The US DID threaten to blow up the world if threatened! You said the Iranians said they would us nukes if threatened.
Its the same thing today yesterday or tomorrow!
"Equating the two is silly"? I can equate the apple I had last week with one today because they are the same!
@realitylivin Except the US is no longer doing so, which means it isn't currently a problem, Iran on the other hand is. No the apples are not the same, one is here and one isn't. That's a pretty big difference.
#2 The USSR was run by communists who may or may not have been deranged. I do not know I was not there!
The US was run by R. Reagon, GHW Bush, and GW Bush and I know they were not only deranged but are murderers and war criminals, because I was here! They also lied to us, the American people, about other countries and threats!
@realitylivin Reagan had alzheimers, but deranged is probably a bit too far. Bush and Bush the junior certainly weren't deranged, stupid and corrupt sure, but certainly not insane. In the list of war criminals of the last 50 years century Messrs. Reagan and Bush don't even make the top ten. They "lied" you say? Name ONE political leader who hasn't been caught lying. You weren't "here" how is knowing what happens in DC different from knowing what happens in russia or iran or wherever else?
@realitylivin Actually it's a pretty big difference, the motive and magnitude of a crime are very important. Ask any prosecutor.
No, we aren't responsible for what other people do unless you participate in it. Individuals are responsible for their own actions. That's why it's stupid to say the US did (blank) in the 50's or the 70's, it's almost entirely different people involved.
What evidence have the iranian theocrats ever shown demonstrating that they care about peace, honesty, or as you laughably suggested, the environment? The fact that Iran is an openly repressive regime based on a religious delusion tends to suggest something about them wouldn't you say?
They have not invaded any other countries! The US has invaded two in the past 10 years! And before you say it it was Iraq that invaded Iran in 1980, with our military and intel support, too! We deposed and killed their President in '56. We imposed a dictator on them who tortured and killed! They should be afraid of us!
@realitylivin Actually hezbollah is under the direction of the iranian theocracy. Invading a country isn't always a bad thing, Afghanistan would certainly be better off without the Taliban. Saddam Hussein should have been removed the first time around. It was in 1953 not 56, and Moussadegh was imprisoned not killed. Get your facts somewhat near the truth. Yeah and then they imposed the ayatollah on themselves, and the iranian theocracy is far worse than the shah ever was.
@realitylivin Except i'm listening to what the Iranians are saying, not what "dubya" is saying.
Ask a Hazara who was executed by a Taliban gang how he likes it. Even openly biased anti-war groups acknowledge that more civilians have been killed by insurgent riffraff in Iraq and the taliban and their cohorts than from all coalition forces combined. I'm sure the bride also was thrilled to live in a society where she stands a good chance of being flogged with rifle butts if she shows her face.
Except the american military isn't going around looking for weddings to low up, whereas the taliban and the foreign sunni jihadists in Iraq deliberately target civilians. You obviously didn't give this comment much thought. Pakistan has a far more advanced and numerous military than afghanistan, they are to an extent our allies, they are busy fighting taliban fleabags in their own border provinces. Yeah so why don't we just invade another country, it's not like it costs money and lives right?
@realitylivin Accidentally killing non-combatants is bad, but not nearly as bad as intentionally targeting them as your primary victims. I really shouldn't have to point out the difference.
"pro-war"
You seem to think that being anti-war is somehow a de facto good thing. Many historic genocides could have been prevented by military action, and many tyrannical reigns ended. War is always awful, but sometimes the alternative is much worse.
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 You believe that being killed "accidentally" is better than being killed "on purpose"!!
Please respond to that directly!
"the tin foil hat....", Your intellect is very shallow if you do not understand the reference! I must laugh if you do not "get" the reference. Again, I must call your "reading comprehension" into question!
And yes, yes ,yes American polititcians, can and do lie!!!!
@realitylivin Sure i believe that, and every legal system in the civilized world believes that. If you run over someone unintentionally you are not held guilty in the same way someone is who shoots you in the face so they can take your watch and wallet.
What is it with the tinfoil hat crowd and thinking that an abysmal sci-fi reference makes up for having no argument? So you seriously expect people of average or better intelligence to not gape at the silliness of thinking that american politicians (whom i never even cited as a reason for thinking Iranians are pursuing nuclear weaponry) are lying but that openly repressive theocrats who govern according to barbarian mythology are being perfectly candid?
@realitylivin Yes, you are defending the theocrats. You keep trying to make this about what American News sources and politicians say, when the only ones i mentioned were Iranians. This means you're either an idiot or you're trying to divert the subject away from the violent religious maniacs. It's a fact that every politician lies, it's what they do for a living. If you think america stands out in that regard then you're quite mistaken indeed.
Some religious people in the US care about the environment some do not. All I said was that it was possible!
I don't know nor do you!
I think that believing in a religion is delusional, but not all religious people are the same. Being religiously delusional suggests that one is delusional about religion.
Torquemada, of the Inquisition, and MLK were both religiously delusional but otherwise they were opposites!
@realitylivin Actually i do know, since many of the wackier christians think the end times are near anyway. The same offensive dreck features loudly in the rantings of islamic fundamentalists. Just because you don't know doesn't mean everyone else is ignorant. The theocrats in say Iran, Afghanistan, or Saudi Arabia tend to have more in common with Torquemada than they do with MLK. You seem to think that the US doing something wrong (even when it's long ago) make it ok for others to do it.
The point about jingoism is that democracy is NOT an "American value". It's a value of the American people, but it's a value of every people. It's definitely not a value of the "Founding Fathers", who were slaveowners and landowners and oligarchs who consciously engineered the constitution to entrench their own power against popular democracy.
About Iran, I'm absolutely not a fan of the Iranian government, but the foreign policy the State Dept objects to is actually quite popular at home.
People, dont bow to em! Fight to your freedom! Break Down everthing if you have to! Remember: The Union makes the strenght.
Who the fuck someone thinks one day and say: Hey im gonna be the dictator, the people are gonna be working for me as slaves, and ill demand on their lives, and plus, im gonna make a "rule" that if they protest ill kill their leaders! What the fuck is that? Kill the person that made that shitty rule!Dont fuck accept that anymore.Fight to your freedom!
The right to protest is fine, but not to do so violently.
If you saw CNN in 2009, during the time the Protests were at their peak, the government and militia never raised a finger to the protestors, until they began burning bins and attacking people...
of course faciasts hate informtion! Why do you think fox was created?! so that the faciasts (ie conservatives) can control information. And he who controls information, controls the world...
Arab nations are TIRED of religious and non religious dictatorship.... but especially the religious one. I'm a muslim and I HATE the concept of sharia!! And the reason U.S.A. was sooo silent over the Egyptian protests and the decline of Mubarak, is because Mubarak was an American puppet. The U.S. had control over Egypt's territory and commerce that way. However, Ahmadinejad is viewed as "prime enemy"! It's a matter of interest.
Arab nations are TIRED of religious and non religious dictatorship.... but especially the religious one. I'm a muslim and I HATE the concept of sharia!!
You are so ignorant. Those so-called Green Protestors aren't the Iranian people. They go around committing violence. They burn houses down and they go around burning cars. There's videos of all this caught on tape.
Here's a video of the Protests, in which those mob of pigs bashed an innocent guy just because he disagreed with them:
watch?v=J0aaYJm_Kgo
The Iranian people stand with the government and they always will. The greens are a a minority bunch of mobsters, who work for America.
@truebeliever786 let me clear something for YOU since you aren't even IRANIAN to know:
1. The protesters of the Green Movement were ALL Iranian - The governement of Iran ISN'T!
2. The gov. of Iran hires poor, uneducated and psychotic street people OR villagers OR Arabic speaking foreigners (Lebanese) to BEAT UP the people of Iran when they protest.
3. AFTER 32 YEARS OF TORTURE, KILLINGS, ASSASSINATIONS and TYRANNY, YOU WILL NATURALLY FIND IRANIAN PEOPLE BEATING THE SHIT UP of GOV. OFFICIALS
1. Yes they were Iranian, but they are a minority group of traitors who work for America. Hillary Clinton actually admits this on CNN (watch?v=yjMMYkxQHf0)
2. Most of the country are against those Green revolutionaries, who go around beating up innocent people (watch?v=ITK5E8nx0N4). Its the other way around. Don't talk nonsense. Imam Khamenei (Supreme Leader of Iran) actually ordered his people not to attack the Greens, even if they rip up his pictures (watch?v=ITK5E8nx0N4)
3. 32 years have only been of freedom from American occupation of Iran and the tyranny of the Shah. The Iranian people, the majority, support the government (watch?v=ITK5E8nx0N4). The Greens are a mob of violent lunatics who go around beating innocent people on the streets and burn down houses, Mosques, shops and cars (watch?v=GCF5M8ZZCz8&feature=related)
Do Republicans really think people are that stupid they don't know when they are being screwed by the RICH? When I say RICH I mean the Republicans and all their supporters and people that gave money to their election. Hope they all have private body guards. Remember Egypt!
Saudi Arabia is a completely different story. unlike, Iran, they don't have a progressive youth, it's the opposite, with the youth being even more radical than the throwback "scholars" and imams who want the woman's driving ban. King Abdullah is actually considered more liberal than most Islamic leaders and thats why they hate him, not b/c hes just a dictator. hes been accused of blasphemy b/c he opened a college for science and tech. SA is as backwards a nation as it gets.
The people of Arab World are rising up because their governments have been puppets of the US Military-Industrial Complex and its apartheid Zionist military outpost of ethnic cleansing in occupied Palestine, established through mass expulsion of the native population in 1948. The balance of power has changed -- following historical earthquake of 2006 in South Lebanon - where Israeli armor after suffering unsustainable damage in its failed invasion had its tail between legs and running south.
Amazing that the "spreader of democracy" is so friendly with Saudi Arabia. The Saudi regime is unelected, vastly rich and lords it over Saudi citizens in a way that's only matched by the disgusting regime in North Korea. Both of these regimes, and Iran's, need to be topple BY THE PEOPLE of those countries, with help from everyone else if possible ... but NOT by dropping bombs on civilians. Fuckneo-cons, they'd be dictators themselves if they could get away with it.
fuck ahmedinejad, hes an election thief, an oppressor, using hte police to torture and murder the iranian people, he deserves to suffer for the rest of his life.
Obama is BY FAR the absolute worst president when it comes to foreign policy. He has no set idea; he just switches his position every Tuesday to what he thinks will make him slide by the easiest. His point isn't to inspire or discourage. It's just to try not offend anyone. Oh, and don't think dismantling one government means the next will be any better. Mubarak had to go, but don't expect it to be all flowers and rainbow stew over there.
Egypt received a lot of US-foreign aid. (3rd behind Iraq and Israel - and the occupation of iraq is not really aid)
Egypt was a very close US-ally, since 1974 Egypt was an US-ally. (they changed sides from USSR to USA, after the peace treaty with Israel)
However, the real problem of Egypt is population growth: In 1800 they were 2,5 million; in 1900 they were 12 million, in 1981 40 million, in 2011 they are 85 million.
They have to implement one-child policy, they cannot double all 20 years.
@wizemanful That's not exactly true. His foreign policy team has pretty consistent views from the liberal end of the FP spectrum--unlike Bush, where at the end Rice and Gates did not agree with Cheney over Iran, while Bush pandered to both. I'm not saying Obama is doing the right thing, but they do have a rather ambitious plan of transformation. If there's one thing Obama has, it's ambition.
Sorry that my engish is not so good. But , I try to add viedo to youtube of violence in persia. One clip shows elite guard gunning dow 4 children. All under 5yrs. All shot in bak of head. Parent was also kiled same way. Not so good at posting viedo.
Not completely true, while the backbone of the internet (TCP/IP) was developed by the US Government the World Wide Web part of the internet credit goes to Robert Cailliau and Tim Berners-Lee at CERN.
Well I'd rather the people of Iran and other countries overthrow their dictators than send more Americans to die for oil and political reasons. I'm proud of the people in Egypt and other countries who are making a point to the world that they won't be badly any longer. Cenk is right about Saudi, but it's doubtful anything will change over there. I wouldn't mind witnessing Iran become a free country though.
i hate when you think iran is islamic country !! khomieni is big liar and the islam is Disown him !! islam means peace not killing ppl !! arabs wants Crush this devil and we will cut his fingers if he Interfered In our countries !! now we will crush bashar and next khomieni and sistani and ahmadinejad ! the three divels !!
TheRkj195 1 week ago
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Stevie68000 1 month ago
why do muslims love to burn and destroy things?
robloxpwnmaster3 2 months ago
Shame onZionist
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fear mongering.
let it happen. Stop talking about it - forever. What a way to keep the public living in fear, and giving corrupt officials a reason to have power.
let it happen... oil will hit $200+ per barrel.
The US will end up in chaos and Martial Law will be implemented.
All according to plan. Then the culling of humans (eugenics) begins.
See YouTube video "Culling The World's Humans."
areyousickandtired 3 months ago
fucking propaganda
jancur11 3 months ago
turkey and egypt will shoot to israil 2 months later. iran will help turkey and egypt.
saylikubac 5 months ago
viva turkey viva iran
fuck kurd fuck pkk
qalatasaraysk 5 months ago
I'm so grateful that my parents escaped from that horrible country.
Liliownz 6 months ago
if US has @@ try to help the poor Chinese overthrow their government ;), majority of iranians don't like their government but definately don't want international intervention, after the world has seen the ''democracy'' US brought in Iraq & Afganistan
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CivilizedMan444 10 months ago
Revolt revolt revolt.... Against this evil empire ... Iranians you must understand that secularism is not an option because it serves the US agenda in the world. Demand for a democratic system but do not accept secularism . God be with you .
TheSakalaki1991 11 months ago
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@TheSakalaki1991 There is no true democracy without secularism, and although it seems counter intuitive there is no religious freedom without secularism.
"Demand for a democratic system but do not accept secularism" translates to freedom to choose for yourself but not for others who may not share your faith. This is a tyranny of the majority.
FarquharDingleberry 7 months ago
@TheSakalaki1991 That makes no sense, why would secularism which basically just says that religion/propaganda/etc. stays out of the state serve anyone's agenda, quite the opposite is the case, claiming that you are nearer by the "truth" (being a cleric) gives you powers you can misuse.
595o 1 month ago
all arabs with you
ghallooy 11 months ago
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Be STRONG, PEOPLE of IRAN. UNITE and RISE together. Stand your ground. Revolutions require COURAGE and SACRIFICE. Ahmadinejad cannot murder millions of you without the world intervening. Your blood will not be spilled in vain.
Democracy is costly. It took Europe thousands of years, from the time of the Roman Empire, through the Dark Ages with the Spanish Inquisition, to obtain the true democracy it now enjoys.
ihytvm 11 months ago
ahmadinejad koonie
nine11wasninsidejob 11 months ago 6
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r9i9a9p3 11 months ago
Thanks man. Tomorrow is the day
amanzour 11 months ago
These protesters are not real. They are CGIs created by Zionists who take orders from the Bilderberg Conference which was created by space aliens who control the Wall St. bankers who trained the CIA to plant computer chips in people's brains which made them vote for Obama who is an agent of Opus Dei which wants a one world government controlled by the Illuminati who must destabilize Iran before they can rule the whole world.
Or so people like Ahmaschizophrenejad would like you to believe :)
ArmenOfTheNorth 1 year ago 23
@ArmenOfTheNorth Oh good I thought I was the only one who saw what those people say.
ig88bc 1 year ago
@ArmenOfTheNorth how you got five thumbs up is ridiculous. i would say things are controlled by the political corporate american elites and other rich individuals. the Us has been steering the world direction since the cold war ended, then they had 50% of the worlds total wealth :o . but while police states use violence and coercion to control the population, democracy has to use consumer goods and the media unendingly, because when people stop believing, things fall apart. ironically the us and
wannabchomsky 7 months ago
@wannabchomsky many other western countries including canada and france have an increasingly unaccountable police force who act as a coercion mechanism. and not jsut in a "help deter crime" kind of way. i mean that they are also breaking the law, and infringing on our basic human rights.
wannabchomsky 7 months ago
@RealityGrapple "narcissism"
And yet it's not narcissism when you proclaim your alleged academic superiority? You're a poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger Effect. But really sport, if you want to continue this tawdry parade of self-praise have at it, it's not doing me any harm.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple I would say that it's amazing to see a troll projecting, but it's actually not rare at all.
"flexing his ego"
An opinion that manifested itself directly after i questioned the validity of your assertions.
"MR population as retards"
Please tell the class what the R in MR stands for. Thanks for doing my job for me. You mean things you believe because you read them in a book, whose arguments you can't even defend. Are you going out of your way to refute yourself?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple More torpid ad hominem remarks? Yeah and i'm the troll. Too easy.
"If you think i'm going to"
Support your claims? Yeah how foolish of me to expect that of you. You're awfully pissed simply because i expected more evidence before taking your claims at face value. But perhaps you're simply a high-strung sort of chap.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple "lazy ass to a library"
Again, giving that your entire worldview seems to rest on what you read in a single book this looks like projection on your part. When you advertise the limited nature of your research then tell others to go read up on the subject you look silly.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Didn't say Brzezinski was a crackpot, nor am i dismissing his claims without examining them. The point is that you after apparently reading them couldn't address basic criticisms regarding your theory (apparently derived from his book).
"You've got absolutely nothing on me ya little twerp"
I highly doubt you're my academic equal, but since neither of us can prove our claims in that regard i really don't care either.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple I'll give his book a read, eventually. I have a lot of other things to keep up with at home and at work.
"prime motive"
Didn't i say it was a motive, unambiguously? Except that the "oil" motive doesn't entirely square with Afghanistan, it's not oil-rich itself and the last attempt to build a pipeline through it was a failure, and that was before we were at war with it's inhabitants. This suggests additional motives.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Government policies have encouraged speculation and thereby made the situation worse. I'm simply stating that speculation is, and will continue to be a favourite game of the richest, to make money from doing next to nothing except moving money around. Regardless of government encouragement. e.g. oil, property, currency, food price bubbles. Credit bubbles would still exist, just depends on how rich the rich are. If 1% ever get to own 25% and want to speculate, recession is coming.
TheNavigateur 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple "you just THINK you know everything"
This is coming from someone who thinks they know everything because they read some book, and apparently can't defend it's arguments when they are met with the slightest scrutiny. Calling me a "narcissist" or a "douche" doesn't make up for not having anything of substance to bring forth. Stay in school sport.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Lol "Brzezinski says" isn't an argument. If you, apparently an astute acolyte of his, can't voice his arguments soundly in the face of criticism then either they can't withstand scrutiny or you didn't value them enough to think them worth remembering. Neither bodes well.
"playing field"
Playing Risk in the basement doesn't make you a foreign policy expert, oh wait i was supposed to be the narcissist right? My bad.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple They way they do moneyprinting exacerbates but doesn't cause the problem. I would say it makes the problem about a bit worse, but great recessions could still not be avoided as long as there are large volumes of speculation, which would happen anyway.
TheNavigateur 1 year ago
@RealityGrappl Speculation is possible with or without moneyprinting. Are you denying that banking is a form of speculation? That it's a game played by rich people to make money for doing nothing (except simply lending)? Look, I'm saying that if lending-with-interest didn't exist at all, prices would then reflect what people could afford FROM THEIR POCKET, all prices would be consumption-based, not speculation-based, there'd be no housing bubble, credit bubble, in fact no bubbles. No recessions.
TheNavigateur 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple The speculation would happen whether they printed money or not. Did you forget the Great Depression which was certainly more than 40 years ago, also caused by speculation. ALL recessions and ALL economic instabilities are caused by speculation, it's the ONLY thing that is capable of causing it. Simple consumption demand/supply (non-speculative) based economy is recession-proof.
TheNavigateur 1 year ago
TO THE COURAGEOUS PEOPLE OF IRAN (NOT THE GOVERNMENT): AMERICA IS IN AWE OF YOUR STRENGTH AND DETERMINATION TO GET RID OF DICTATORSHIP. OUR HEARTS GO OUT TO YOU AND WE PRAY FOR YOUR SAFETY AND SUCCESS WITH A NEW DEMOCRATIC IRAN!!
Boris82much 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Of all the periods that Russia was a threat to us, this has to be one of the lowest points in the last century or so. China? If they go to war with us then they can kiss all the money we owe them goodbye, and thus their plans of modernization and progress (already straining it's limits) end.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JujuWoaW Actually you're right about that... I am of egyptian descent, and NOTHING irritates an egyptian more than being called an arab. My BF is a turk.... same thing. Arams are brom the Arab nations, Turks are from turkey, Iranians are from Iran and Egyptians are from Egypt... The truth is I don't want to use the term "muslim nations" because no nation should be muslim as a nation... we should all be mid-eastern countries with muslim majorities, like they do in turkey... So we're cool :)
CuteMcBeauty 1 year ago
@JujuWoaW Hey hey chill, dude, I'm actually defending that exact same Point of view. If you read carefully, I commented "religious and non religious dictatorships". Both suck... And yesm no one should have to endure Sharia for 32 years in the present world!!
CuteMcBeauty 1 year ago
To the courageous people of Iran: America is with you! Freedom is a God-given right for all. Democracy in Iran now!
Boris82much 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple I'm not saying oil wasn't a factor in the war, it certainly is. It's just absurd to think that the military is being maintained at staggering cost to hold on to some oil that isn't being even efficiently extracted yet. If we buy the oil for cheap from Iraq we get energy and they get an economy, seems a win/win for now.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple And i agree, i'm just wary of the worth of predictions that grand and unfounded. It's reasonable to predict 10 or even 20 years down the road, but a century is quite difficult. In less than a century we went from horses being the main form of transportation to spacecraft, microchips, and stealth aircraft. It's not an issue of the ability to get off oil, it's a question of willingness. Society is essentially addicted to it, and addicts don't behave rationally in re their addiction
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple I've heard similar arguments, albeit usually from people who think that contrails are really mild nerve agents being sprayed by the illuminati, but let that pass. Given that Afghanistan is a nation with an appallingly poor infrastructure, difficult terrain, and chock full of violent illiterate bands of thugs it's not a great place to run oil or gas through. Whereas Iraq is much more suitable, and we've invaded that nation as well. Apparently the puppet masters are incompetent.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Universities frequently make speculative remarks that aren't true, gauging what will happen a century and a half from now is kind of absurd. Take studies as serious as the actual hard-facts they present, not because someone with a degree put their name on it. A lot of people already die, they'll simply forget about their usual grievances (religion, race, nationalism, etc.) and start fighting over goods.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Actually they could easily fill the gap, wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric etc. could readily replace power plants worldwide. The trouble is that it's not being done because it's not nearly as profitable (for now) as fossil fuel. Right, the army invaded Iraq for the oil, and Afghanistan for the, well they don't have any oil and the military presence in oil-rich Iraq is withdrawing. I'm not feeling that one.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
This guy is a fucking idiot.
WindyShnitzel 1 year ago
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777Tribulation 1 year ago
@777Tribulation God? Satan? Are you mad?
Haophil 1 year ago
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TheReasonUK 1 year ago
@TheReasonUK it is YOU that is spreading lies, everybody whose anybody knows that Jesus was by no means evil due to his works, mercy, and love that He has shown to mankind and that the real satan is indeed evil and wants to hurt God by drawing His creation, people AWAY from Him and causing them to become damned, and you constantly call Christ satan! And now you are twisting God's truth again to make me look like I'm lying. You are the one doing everything that you accuse me of doing
777Tribulation 1 year ago
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TheReasonUK 1 year ago
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TheReasonUK 1 year ago
@TheReasonUK
dude show me where is god i cant see it in the same way that i cant see unicorn, stop talking bullshit god, its not objective reality but illusionery image in the mind of unreasonable and illogical persons and its because in every religion and individual's mind its different in essence and traits
an iranian
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TheReasonUK 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple you really think we wont be prepared for a crisis? the gov has the tech, they just want to profit off the oil for as long as possible
PacoTheMuffinman 1 year ago
THEY'RE TRYING TO BLACK THE PHONE LINES!
LeLimeLine 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple I doubt it will be WW3 rough, especially since large scale military actions tend to require lots of the very thing we're short on. The algae fuel was just an example of a small-scale sort of project. My point is that there's plenty of people willing to put for the research effort, but if shit's going to change it needs industrial money and production capability. Replacing power plants will just require a lot of money, the tricky bit will be replacing the fuel used for transport.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Well we will innovate our way out of it, the question is how unpleasant will the transition be. The technology needed isn't even all that difficult or exotic, it simply needs industry to bite the bullet and get behind it. The "little guys" making plug-in cars and algae-fuel are good in their own way, but energy companies need to quit ignoring the elephant in the room it's either poor now and rich later or rich now and bankrupt later.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Actually we could get energy cleaner that's easier and more accessible, we simply hadn't been trying very hard until fairly recently. Necessity is the mother of invention, when society isn't challenged it becomes weak and lazy. Fossil fuels are actually pretty inefficient, it's simply economical because there's a vast industry devoted to it. As time goes on there will be more efficient, more practical, and more affordable solutions.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Well, that's life.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple I daresay that in the next 50 years we'll be using a hell of a lot less oil and coal than we are now. We'll be off it in the not too distant future whether we like it or not.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
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TheReasonUK 1 year ago
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777Tribulation 1 year ago
"Dictatorial governments don't like information."
It seems to me that the government of the Greatest Democracy on Earth was none too pleased when WikiLeaks provided information.
forgetititititit 1 year ago
I ran, we ran, we all ran for IRAN!!!
fonkymaster 1 year ago
there were many revolutions and uprisings of the working class in "revolutionary" america, most of which were squashed by the ruling class's (what we are told are the "founding fathers") orders.
Tidnull 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple To put it in perspective Iran's population will almost all be dead before they run out of oil, and that's just with their current proven reserves. I'm all for getting off of fossil fuels as well, my point is that theocrats obviously don't give a shit about the environment or what happens a century from now. The claim that a band of ignorant thugs with a penchant for violent thuggery is enriching uranium because they want to green up their economy is cuckoo.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
There are people in Iran that support the current regime, than not. I think they will fall if they keep up their false footing. It won't be for oil, either. And their lose will make more people against the regime and see all their defence propaganda was fake and waste of money or to steal money. All those leaders got hidden assets.
sunRsaturn 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Point taken, You are 100% right, 0% wrong!
My point was just that with nukes not even John Bolton or David Horowitz would be dumb enough to try!
As things stand now, I believe they would love "A GO", World War 3 not withstanding!
Reality's a b*tch!
realitylivin 1 year ago
US: You keep you're arabs in line and we will give you wealth and protection as long we control you're oil.
Saudi King:Agreed!!! now give me money.
elfil76 1 year ago
@elfil76 "your"
Megajanitor 1 year ago
I really couldn't care less about which dictator might be an ally of the USA. The only thing I'm concerned about is if these people fighting for what they want in their homelands will be safe to do so. I'm worried that they might get hurt or killed while protesting. I think it'd be wise for us to all collectively focus on what's really important here.
Numbuh7 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple Not to mention that the Iranian people are very quickly losing their patience with their own government, it would be stupid to attack them when they might well be on their way out as it is. In addition it would be easier to establish relations with any new government if we haven't been meddling in their affairs. I wish the US would intervene on the side of "good" much more often than it does, but we should really just let Iran sort itself out.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
our fouding fathers owned slaves...they were racists and would be against democracy of egypt...and am 1000% correct
JOS3EMMANUEL 1 year ago
I just hope that this doesn't become the Green Movement part deux..
Saaduk92 1 year ago
The founding fathers only cared for themselves and their grandchildren. Plus they opposed what was wrong with the way England's ruling class ran things. America, at that time, didn't give a shit about Egypt or any other country. They cared about right principles for themselves.
I think Cenk is backpedaling a little bit here. To equate Egypt's budding democracy to America, is like saying England is responsible for America.
I'm just saying.
:)
:P
Joxman2k 1 year ago
@Joxman2k Well most of the founding fathers were recent descendants of brits, and before the revolution considered themselves british subjects. Most egyptians are not americans, the culture is entirely different. Cenk worded it poorly, but the whole point of what he was saying was that what happened in Egypt is something that america should be proud of. The ideal that this country was founded on (but so often falls short of) is that of representative government and civil liberties.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
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@JACKtheRIPP3R189
I agree :) But the spirit of America has been lost in recent years ... I mean water-boarding was not Americas finest hour. I believe in the Idea of America! ...it's a global Ideal.
I do not encourage pride in another's actions, because of an ideal I hold as well. That is arrogance.
:P
Joxman2k 1 year ago
The Dept of State, the CIA, and Exon /Mobil are like Christian Slater in "Very Bad Things"
"I Want that money (oil)... You are not going to f*ck me out of that (oil)... I can taste it!"
They want it and they don't care who they have to kill to get it!
realitylivin 1 year ago
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realitylivin 1 year ago
The US jumped to support the Iran demonstraters, unlike in Egypt, because "the powers that be", DoS/CIA/BIG OIL want that oil!
Thats why "they" took out elected Mosadeq and put in the dictator, The Shah and why they don't want Iran to have "the bomb". If Iran has a nuke they can defend themselves. BIG OIL and the CIA WANT that oil!
Beyond that, the Iranians should be free from them and US!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin "If Iran has a nuke they can defend themselves"
Are you on the pipe? They don't want it to "defend themselves" they want it to attack others. We already are in bed with the Saudis, produce more oil than Iran ourselves, and are in a good position to get what we want oil-wise out of Iraq. We don't need their oil. We jump to support protests against the filthy theocrats in Iran because we have no real ties to them, whereas the US had no small involvement with Mubarak.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189
Who told you "they want it to attack others"? The same people who told us Iraq had WMD's and was a danger to us.
"They" were lying then and they are lying now! Think about how "they" lie to us, the American people, for their benefit. When someone says be afraid, ask yourself what is their motive?
Don't believe the hype!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Actually Iranians themselves have insinuated it several times. Their head nuclear envoy said that they'll use them if they feel threatened (meaning they would need to be making weapons-grade material), after making a statement stating their peaceful intent.
"they were lying then"
And you suppose that the Iranian theocracy is run by honest and peaceful people do you? Or do you imagine that they need it for power stations when they have one of the largest oil reserves on earth?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 "Their head nuclear envoy said that they'll use them if they feel threatened"
And that is different from US how? Or the UK, Russia, etc.?
How many times has the US talked about our peaceful intent, usually while we're bombing somebody!
I would also say they might want to use nuclear power for power since using oil is polluting the atmosphere!
Although I'm against nuclear power.
I'm also against any theocracy anywhere!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin The difference is that the US and Russia aren't threatening to use them. Even so they're contradicting their claims to not be seeking weapons-grade material, while threatening to use them if they feel threatened. It's sort of like saying you don't own or want any guns but you'll shoot anyone who pisses you off.
"oil is polluting the atmosphere"
Yeah, because religious fanatics really care about the environment and really believe in global warming.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 #1 the US and Russia have threatened to use nukes. Think NATO's first use policy in Europe for one example!
#2 back to my first post, do you know them? Are you a mind reader?I think not!
You were told that these are people to be afraid of! Just consider they might be lying to you! Just consider it
Lots of religious people believe lots of different things. I don't know what everyone thinks nor do you!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin "have"
Except that i said "aren't" which insinuates a present tense. The US and Russia haven't been threatening to nuke one another for decades. The US and the USSR weren't run by deranged theocrats either. Equating the two is kind of silly.
Except i'm basing this off of what the Iranians have said, not what "they" said. I'm also basing it off of the fact that a nation with a vast amount of oil needs nuclear energy for electrical power.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 One more time I'll type slowly for you.
#1 the fact that the US threatened nukes in the past is the point. The US DID threaten to blow up the world if threatened! You said the Iranians said they would us nukes if threatened.
Its the same thing today yesterday or tomorrow!
"Equating the two is silly"? I can equate the apple I had last week with one today because they are the same!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Except the US is no longer doing so, which means it isn't currently a problem, Iran on the other hand is. No the apples are not the same, one is here and one isn't. That's a pretty big difference.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189
What ever!
I'm sorry you can't get it. Just question things you are told, thats all.
Have fun with your hate.
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin "have fun with your hate"
Yeah i tend to hate religious fundamentalist tyrants who like to make veiled threats about using nuclear weapons. I'm fussy that way.
"question things you are told"
That includes from you.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 That includes from me, 100% right, 0% wrong. To quote someone I've heard.
realitylivin 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189
#2 The USSR was run by communists who may or may not have been deranged. I do not know I was not there!
The US was run by R. Reagon, GHW Bush, and GW Bush and I know they were not only deranged but are murderers and war criminals, because I was here! They also lied to us, the American people, about other countries and threats!
You speak in absolutes which you can not know!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Reagan had alzheimers, but deranged is probably a bit too far. Bush and Bush the junior certainly weren't deranged, stupid and corrupt sure, but certainly not insane. In the list of war criminals of the last 50 years century Messrs. Reagan and Bush don't even make the top ten. They "lied" you say? Name ONE political leader who hasn't been caught lying. You weren't "here" how is knowing what happens in DC different from knowing what happens in russia or iran or wherever else?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 OK, once more but this is it!
First, I don't rank war crimes, kill 1000 or kill 6 million, still a mass murderer you are!
As citizens we are not responsible for the actions in other countries. We can care, yes, but we are responsible for what OUR gov. does!
I don't speak Russian or Farsie (sp?) so the info I get from there is filtered by someone. This is my whole point?
I do speak English and I pay attention to events here! And I worked in DC in the 80's
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Actually it's a pretty big difference, the motive and magnitude of a crime are very important. Ask any prosecutor.
No, we aren't responsible for what other people do unless you participate in it. Individuals are responsible for their own actions. That's why it's stupid to say the US did (blank) in the 50's or the 70's, it's almost entirely different people involved.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@realitylivin "Are you a mind reader?"
What evidence have the iranian theocrats ever shown demonstrating that they care about peace, honesty, or as you laughably suggested, the environment? The fact that Iran is an openly repressive regime based on a religious delusion tends to suggest something about them wouldn't you say?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 "What evidence... they care about peace?"
They have not invaded any other countries! The US has invaded two in the past 10 years! And before you say it it was Iraq that invaded Iran in 1980, with our military and intel support, too! We deposed and killed their President in '56. We imposed a dictator on them who tortured and killed! They should be afraid of us!
Did they do that to us? NO!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Actually hezbollah is under the direction of the iranian theocracy. Invading a country isn't always a bad thing, Afghanistan would certainly be better off without the Taliban. Saddam Hussein should have been removed the first time around. It was in 1953 not 56, and Moussadegh was imprisoned not killed. Get your facts somewhat near the truth. Yeah and then they imposed the ayatollah on themselves, and the iranian theocracy is far worse than the shah ever was.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 OK point taken '53 instead of '56 and imprisoned not killed. I was somewhat near the truth!
And we agree about wacky religious people!
Also I am NOT defending the theocrats! I'm saying think about what you are being told and by whom, thats all!
BTW, ask an Afghan who had a 2000lb bomb dropped on their wedding how they feel. Think if that was your family
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Except i'm listening to what the Iranians are saying, not what "dubya" is saying.
Ask a Hazara who was executed by a Taliban gang how he likes it. Even openly biased anti-war groups acknowledge that more civilians have been killed by insurgent riffraff in Iraq and the taliban and their cohorts than from all coalition forces combined. I'm sure the bride also was thrilled to live in a society where she stands a good chance of being flogged with rifle butts if she shows her face.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 "being flogged..."
No shit, that's awful! I AM NOT DEFENDING THEM! But, dropping bombs on her is not helping her either.
And the US is not there to help them. We are told that's why we are there but it is just not the truth!
You may believe it, but it is not true! We didn't invade to get OBL. If we did, we would invade Pakistan, that's where he is now, allegedly.
What we are told is almost never the truth!
realitylivin 1 year ago
Except the american military isn't going around looking for weddings to low up, whereas the taliban and the foreign sunni jihadists in Iraq deliberately target civilians. You obviously didn't give this comment much thought. Pakistan has a far more advanced and numerous military than afghanistan, they are to an extent our allies, they are busy fighting taliban fleabags in their own border provinces. Yeah so why don't we just invade another country, it's not like it costs money and lives right?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 Truly the last word. You believe that accidentally killing women and children is OK!
And invading Afghanistan was good because it was easy!
"Yah...just invade another country..."! Your the pro-war RIPP3R. I'm against the wars!
"You...much thought". No you have a reading comprehension issue, because you missed the point every time!
Once more, you are being lied to. Keep living in "the matrix" since it pleases you so.
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Accidentally killing non-combatants is bad, but not nearly as bad as intentionally targeting them as your primary victims. I really shouldn't have to point out the difference.
"pro-war"
You seem to think that being anti-war is somehow a de facto good thing. Many historic genocides could have been prevented by military action, and many tyrannical reigns ended. War is always awful, but sometimes the alternative is much worse.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 You believe that being killed "accidentally" is better than being killed "on purpose"!!
Please respond to that directly!
"the tin foil hat....", Your intellect is very shallow if you do not understand the reference! I must laugh if you do not "get" the reference. Again, I must call your "reading comprehension" into question!
And yes, yes ,yes American polititcians, can and do lie!!!!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Sure i believe that, and every legal system in the civilized world believes that. If you run over someone unintentionally you are not held guilty in the same way someone is who shoots you in the face so they can take your watch and wallet.
I'm shallow because you said something silly?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@realitylivin "the matrix"
What is it with the tinfoil hat crowd and thinking that an abysmal sci-fi reference makes up for having no argument? So you seriously expect people of average or better intelligence to not gape at the silliness of thinking that american politicians (whom i never even cited as a reason for thinking Iranians are pursuing nuclear weaponry) are lying but that openly repressive theocrats who govern according to barbarian mythology are being perfectly candid?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 "not gape (sic) at the silliness...are lying!
It is a fact that "American politicians....are lying and have lied to the American people!
Again, I am not defending the theocrats!
You do not GET it!
I feel sorry for you! And I'm done with your stupid thoughts. SORRY!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Yes, you are defending the theocrats. You keep trying to make this about what American News sources and politicians say, when the only ones i mentioned were Iranians. This means you're either an idiot or you're trying to divert the subject away from the violent religious maniacs. It's a fact that every politician lies, it's what they do for a living. If you think america stands out in that regard then you're quite mistaken indeed.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 "the environment..."
Some religious people in the US care about the environment some do not. All I said was that it was possible!
I don't know nor do you!
I think that believing in a religion is delusional, but not all religious people are the same. Being religiously delusional suggests that one is delusional about religion.
Torquemada, of the Inquisition, and MLK were both religiously delusional but otherwise they were opposites!
If you still don't get it God help you!
realitylivin 1 year ago
@realitylivin Actually i do know, since many of the wackier christians think the end times are near anyway. The same offensive dreck features loudly in the rantings of islamic fundamentalists. Just because you don't know doesn't mean everyone else is ignorant. The theocrats in say Iran, Afghanistan, or Saudi Arabia tend to have more in common with Torquemada than they do with MLK. You seem to think that the US doing something wrong (even when it's long ago) make it ok for others to do it.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
The point about jingoism is that democracy is NOT an "American value". It's a value of the American people, but it's a value of every people. It's definitely not a value of the "Founding Fathers", who were slaveowners and landowners and oligarchs who consciously engineered the constitution to entrench their own power against popular democracy.
About Iran, I'm absolutely not a fan of the Iranian government, but the foreign policy the State Dept objects to is actually quite popular at home.
jammoexii 1 year ago
Cenk,, your such a cool-ass
we're behind you bro..
your huge fan from Saudi Arabia
Alomaim 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple
Nice little plain Shill / Troll channel made on Jan, 14, 2011.
Hahah you fucking little Hasbarats are such a fucking joke.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple
Did Obama lift a finger when Israel massacred 1,400 Palestinians trapped under a Military blockade?
No. So shut the fuck up, and Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, actually fought in the ISRAELI ARMY.
So you obviously know 2 things, Jack, and shit.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
People, dont bow to em! Fight to your freedom! Break Down everthing if you have to! Remember: The Union makes the strenght.
Who the fuck someone thinks one day and say: Hey im gonna be the dictator, the people are gonna be working for me as slaves, and ill demand on their lives, and plus, im gonna make a "rule" that if they protest ill kill their leaders! What the fuck is that? Kill the person that made that shitty rule!Dont fuck accept that anymore.Fight to your freedom!
LuksBrFor 1 year ago
im glad he mentioned the moronic comments of the other video, some of those i swear didnt even watch the video
shoot232 1 year ago
@Zander73
The right to protest is fine, but not to do so violently.
If you saw CNN in 2009, during the time the Protests were at their peak, the government and militia never raised a finger to the protestors, until they began burning bins and attacking people...
truebeliever786 1 year ago
@truebeliever786 Thank god you were watching CNN and got the real news.
crazyrandomfool 1 year ago
@crazyrandomfool
lol. Why, do you hate FOX News lol?
We all do...
truebeliever786 1 year ago
of course faciasts hate informtion! Why do you think fox was created?! so that the faciasts (ie conservatives) can control information. And he who controls information, controls the world...
ParadoxEcho 1 year ago
So we are trying to overthrow other governments and manipulate other counties policy... what else is new?!
sodajr 1 year ago
Arab nations are TIRED of religious and non religious dictatorship.... but especially the religious one. I'm a muslim and I HATE the concept of sharia!! And the reason U.S.A. was sooo silent over the Egyptian protests and the decline of Mubarak, is because Mubarak was an American puppet. The U.S. had control over Egypt's territory and commerce that way. However, Ahmadinejad is viewed as "prime enemy"! It's a matter of interest.
CuteMcBeauty 1 year ago
Arab nations are TIRED of religious and non religious dictatorship.... but especially the religious one. I'm a muslim and I HATE the concept of sharia!!
CuteMcBeauty 1 year ago
You are so ignorant. Those so-called Green Protestors aren't the Iranian people. They go around committing violence. They burn houses down and they go around burning cars. There's videos of all this caught on tape.
Here's a video of the Protests, in which those mob of pigs bashed an innocent guy just because he disagreed with them:
watch?v=J0aaYJm_Kgo
The Iranian people stand with the government and they always will. The greens are a a minority bunch of mobsters, who work for America.
truebeliever786 1 year ago
@truebeliever786 let me clear something for YOU since you aren't even IRANIAN to know:
1. The protesters of the Green Movement were ALL Iranian - The governement of Iran ISN'T!
2. The gov. of Iran hires poor, uneducated and psychotic street people OR villagers OR Arabic speaking foreigners (Lebanese) to BEAT UP the people of Iran when they protest.
3. AFTER 32 YEARS OF TORTURE, KILLINGS, ASSASSINATIONS and TYRANNY, YOU WILL NATURALLY FIND IRANIAN PEOPLE BEATING THE SHIT UP of GOV. OFFICIALS
DelBrisee 1 year ago
1. Yes they were Iranian, but they are a minority group of traitors who work for America. Hillary Clinton actually admits this on CNN (watch?v=yjMMYkxQHf0)
2. Most of the country are against those Green revolutionaries, who go around beating up innocent people (watch?v=ITK5E8nx0N4). Its the other way around. Don't talk nonsense. Imam Khamenei (Supreme Leader of Iran) actually ordered his people not to attack the Greens, even if they rip up his pictures (watch?v=ITK5E8nx0N4)
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truebeliever786 1 year ago
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3. 32 years have only been of freedom from American occupation of Iran and the tyranny of the Shah. The Iranian people, the majority, support the government (watch?v=ITK5E8nx0N4). The Greens are a mob of violent lunatics who go around beating innocent people on the streets and burn down houses, Mosques, shops and cars (watch?v=GCF5M8ZZCz8&feature=related)
truebeliever786 1 year ago
Damn
mdanger29 1 year ago
You can't take the Saudi government down because they are a monarch a unless you declare war
utberoxsobad 1 year ago
Do Republicans really think people are that stupid they don't know when they are being screwed by the RICH? When I say RICH I mean the Republicans and all their supporters and people that gave money to their election. Hope they all have private body guards. Remember Egypt!
Pellegrino80 1 year ago
Saudi Arabia is a completely different story. unlike, Iran, they don't have a progressive youth, it's the opposite, with the youth being even more radical than the throwback "scholars" and imams who want the woman's driving ban. King Abdullah is actually considered more liberal than most Islamic leaders and thats why they hate him, not b/c hes just a dictator. hes been accused of blasphemy b/c he opened a college for science and tech. SA is as backwards a nation as it gets.
deveousdevil 1 year ago
soon the whole worlds gonna beome a democracy, we have sudan splitting into two, then we have egypt, now iran ;D democracy ftw
TheCursedBanana 1 year ago
Obama is an Israeli puppet, just like Mubarak was.
When do we take America back?
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS My Dog died and guess what ? It's an Israeli Conspiracy to kill my Dog, Fucking Basards -.-
forgottenmemories63 1 year ago
@forgottenmemories63
Conspiracies don't exist. Watergate, and Iran Contra, never happened, neither did the Lavon Affair, or the attack on the USSLIBERTY.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@RealityGrapple
If you can't see it you're the fucking moron.
American foreign policy, and media propaganda, always act with Israel's interests first.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
The people of Arab World are rising up because their governments have been puppets of the US Military-Industrial Complex and its apartheid Zionist military outpost of ethnic cleansing in occupied Palestine, established through mass expulsion of the native population in 1948. The balance of power has changed -- following historical earthquake of 2006 in South Lebanon - where Israeli armor after suffering unsustainable damage in its failed invasion had its tail between legs and running south.
ARDESHIRAN 1 year ago
ALL BAD / INSECURE GOVERNMENTS HATE / FEAR ANY FORM OF MASS COMMUNICATION THAT 'THEY' CANNOT 'CONTROL'!!!
12235117657598502586 1 year ago
My Iranian professor said he believes the Ayotallah was set up by America
Sagefrakrobatik 1 year ago
@Sagefrakrobatik I'd like to hear his reasons for that.
greatleaper 1 year ago
Democracy will prevail.
mrxd17 1 year ago
Persian hippies!
GypsyMofakka 1 year ago
Amazing that the "spreader of democracy" is so friendly with Saudi Arabia. The Saudi regime is unelected, vastly rich and lords it over Saudi citizens in a way that's only matched by the disgusting regime in North Korea. Both of these regimes, and Iran's, need to be topple BY THE PEOPLE of those countries, with help from everyone else if possible ... but NOT by dropping bombs on civilians. Fuckneo-cons, they'd be dictators themselves if they could get away with it.
leizuoer 1 year ago
I'm Iranian.
The government is spreading disinformation, it is NOT 10,000's, it's 100,000's.
PersoAryanism 1 year ago 59
@PersoAryanism no it is not it is 10 000's. You are right AMERICAN NEWS is bias towards the IRANIAN GOVERNMENT
zebrarraz 1 year ago
fuck ahmedinejad, hes an election thief, an oppressor, using hte police to torture and murder the iranian people, he deserves to suffer for the rest of his life.
crackerz99 1 year ago
Saudi is the head of the Snake, but when the snake got oil and does business with us, then its all oky,
Saudi must go and the rest of them
americaisevil1 1 year ago
Mubarak was worse, but if they are with us, then its oky, if not, then they must go, lol
americaisevil1 1 year ago
Obama is BY FAR the absolute worst president when it comes to foreign policy. He has no set idea; he just switches his position every Tuesday to what he thinks will make him slide by the easiest. His point isn't to inspire or discourage. It's just to try not offend anyone. Oh, and don't think dismantling one government means the next will be any better. Mubarak had to go, but don't expect it to be all flowers and rainbow stew over there.
wizemanful 1 year ago
Egypt received a lot of US-foreign aid. (3rd behind Iraq and Israel - and the occupation of iraq is not really aid)
Egypt was a very close US-ally, since 1974 Egypt was an US-ally. (they changed sides from USSR to USA, after the peace treaty with Israel)
However, the real problem of Egypt is population growth: In 1800 they were 2,5 million; in 1900 they were 12 million, in 1981 40 million, in 2011 they are 85 million.
They have to implement one-child policy, they cannot double all 20 years.
ChineseAtheist 1 year ago
@wizemanful That's not exactly true. His foreign policy team has pretty consistent views from the liberal end of the FP spectrum--unlike Bush, where at the end Rice and Gates did not agree with Cheney over Iran, while Bush pandered to both. I'm not saying Obama is doing the right thing, but they do have a rather ambitious plan of transformation. If there's one thing Obama has, it's ambition.
greatleaper 1 year ago
Sorry that my engish is not so good. But , I try to add viedo to youtube of violence in persia. One clip shows elite guard gunning dow 4 children. All under 5yrs. All shot in bak of head. Parent was also kiled same way. Not so good at posting viedo.
Devomyte 1 year ago
Go Protesters Go!
cne08 1 year ago
can you hear the people sing! Singing the songs of angry men. It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again.
brattymaddyandmason 1 year ago
Exactly what I said you were saying.
I thought it was obvious too.
Baalthazaq 1 year ago
As a brit i think americans can take some credit, facebook, twitter and the internet are all american.
flake452 1 year ago
@flake452
"and the internet are all american."
Not completely true, while the backbone of the internet (TCP/IP) was developed by the US Government the World Wide Web part of the internet credit goes to Robert Cailliau and Tim Berners-Lee at CERN.
mecher3k 1 year ago
Well I'd rather the people of Iran and other countries overthrow their dictators than send more Americans to die for oil and political reasons. I'm proud of the people in Egypt and other countries who are making a point to the world that they won't be badly any longer. Cenk is right about Saudi, but it's doubtful anything will change over there. I wouldn't mind witnessing Iran become a free country though.
shadowedge69 1 year ago